<div dir="ltr">Eduardo,<div><br></div><div style>depende. se estamos falando de iniciante de repente é "bom" ele começar com uma DSL e uma vez que aprendeu suficientemente bem alguns conceitos pode se aprofundar e ai virar um "programador de verdade". SE o camarada quiser se aprofundar, de repente ele só quer brincar um pouco e partir para outra.</div>

<div style><br></div><div style><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/5/16 Eduardo Almeida <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:eduardo@web2solutions.com.br" target="_blank">eduardo@web2solutions.com.br</a>></span><br>

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    <div>On 16/05/2013 11:49, Leonardo Ruoso
      wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">Como disse antes, essa é um ghost thread.
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Tem alguém para avaliar conteúdo que é pertinente,
          atual e válido? Se não tem, coloca um aviso BEM GRANDE
          avisando ao leitor que use esse conteúdo por sua própria conta
          e risco, pois apesar de conter alguns arquivos bons ou
          aproveitáveis, boa parte do conteúdo é ultrapassado, não é
          mantido e sua leitura não é </div>
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    <br>
    </div><blockquote type="cite">
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        <div>necessariamente recomendada para quem não domina a
          linguagem. Wiki sem manutenção é complicado.fer</div>
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    Recomendado é o que? iniciar por Modern Perl? no ponto de vista de
    quem? Seu? do SPPM? da Booking(acho que não)?<br>
    <br>
    Pra mim, começar pelo Moose sem saber o que é bless, por exemplo, é
    como achar que aprendeu Javascript porque "domina" Jquery<br>
    <br>
    Tire ele do ar e perca o caminho mais facil de se iniciar em perl
    que é oferecido em pt-br atualmente.<div><div class="h5"><br>
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        <br>
        <div class="gmail_quote">Em 16 de maio de 2013 11:40, Nelson
          Ferraz <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nferraz@gmail.com" target="_blank">nferraz@gmail.com</a>></span>
          escreveu:<br>
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              <div>Leonardo,</div>
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              </div>
              <div>Não entendi a sua sugestão: você acha melhor
                desativar o wiki ou o site do github?</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              Eu não tenho nada contra desativar nenhum deles DESDE QUE
              todo material já produzido seja movido para um site
              existente.
              <div>
                <br>
              </div>
              <div>Por duas razões:</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>1) Ambos os sites contêm bastante material de muito
                boa qualidade</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>2) Apagar o conteúdo de qualquer um deles seria um
                desrespeito para com todos aqueles que investiram tempo
                e esforço para escrever todo aquele material.</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
            </div>
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              <br>
              <div class="gmail_quote">Em 16 de maio de 2013 16:24,
                Leonardo Ruoso <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:leonardo@ruoso.com" target="_blank">leonardo@ruoso.com</a>></span>
                escreveu:
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                  <div><br>
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                      <div dir="ltr">Essa era a grande questão Eduardo:
                        não tem ninguém com tempo para manter mais um
                        site. Daí que colocar os links para os sites
                        relevantes, incluindo a documentação POD
                        traduzida que está no github, os sites dos PM
                        que mantém algum projeto de documentação e os
                        blogs de desenvolvedores que compartilham
                        informações sobre Perl era a forma que eu e
                        outras pessoas viam como viável. 
                        <div>
                          <br>
                        </div>
                        <div>Mas, enfim, daqui a 6 meses essa thread vai
                          renascer.</div>
                      </div>
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                        <br>
                        <div class="gmail_quote">Em 16 de maio de 2013
                          11:10, Eduardo Almeida <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:eduardo@web2solutions.com.br" target="_blank">eduardo@web2solutions.com.br</a>></span>
                          escreveu:
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                                    <div>On 16/05/2013 10:51, Leonardo
                                      Ruoso wrote:<br>
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                                        <div>Na época em que houve um
                                          movimento para reativá-lo
                                          houve uma resistência bastante
                                          grande aqui na SPPM, então
                                          provavelmente você não vai ler
                                          muitos comentários por aqui
                                          sobre o <a href="http://perl.org.br" target="_blank">perl.org.br</a>.
                                          <br>
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                                  Exato
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                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>A ideia era que ou alguém
                                          assumia efetivamente a
                                          manutenção do site</div>
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                                  A manutenção é o de menos
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                                        <div> ou o deixava fora do ar
                                          como estava, ou transformava
                                          num bookmark para sites
                                          relevantes de Perl. Nós
                                          perdemos o debate. </div>
                                      </div>
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                                      </div>
                                    </blockquote>
                                  </div>
                                  Na realidade eu assumi publicamente
                                  que iria fazer um layout novo,
                                  organizar o conteúdo, indexar novos
                                  conteúdos, "learn perl" with a
                                  interactive online terminal, e outros.<br>
                                  O SPPM se posicionou da seguinte
                                  forma: Tenha ciência de que se você
                                  fizer isso, você o estará fazendo para
                                  a SOS Marumbi.<br>
                                  <br>
                                  Pra ficar claro, eu não
                                  desisti/abandonei. O overload tá foda.
                                  Estou justamente em fase de
                                  contratação de pessoal e em muito
                                  breve vou alocar alguém da empresa só
                                  pra isso. INDEPENDENTE se uns acham
                                  que é pra SOS Marumbi ou não,
                                  independente se alguem vai fazer algo
                                  parecido ou não.<br>
                                  <br>
                                  Disponível online temos algumas logos
                                  e matrizes das mesmas. <a href="https://github.com/Brasil-Perl-Mongers/perl.org.br" target="_blank">https://github.com/Brasil-Perl-Mongers/perl.org.br</a>
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                                        <div class="gmail_quote">2013/5/16
                                          Tiago Peczenyj <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tiago.peczenyj@gmail.com" target="_blank">tiago.peczenyj@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
                                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                            <div dir="ltr"><a href="http://perl.org.br/" target="_blank">http://perl.org.br/</a>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>ta um pouco
                                                desatualizado<span><font color="#888888"><br clear="all">
                                                    <div><br>
                                                    </div>
                                                    -- <br>
                                                    Tiago B. Peczenyj<br>
                                                    Linux User #405772<br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    <a href="http://about.me/peczenyj" target="_blank">http://about.me/peczenyj</a>
                                                  </font></span></div>
                                            </div>
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                                            =begin disclaimer<br>
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                                            <br>
                                          </blockquote>
                                        </div>
                                        <br>
                                        <br clear="all">
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        -- <br>
                                        Leonardo Ruoso
                                        <div>Journalist, Perl developer
                                          and business consultant<br>
                                          <div>Media, UFC/2006; Telecom,
                                            IFCE/1998</div>
                                        </div>
                                      </div>
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                                      <pre>=begin disclaimer
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 SaoPaulo-pm mailing list: <a href="mailto:SaoPaulo-pm@pm.org" target="_blank">SaoPaulo-pm@pm.org</a>
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</pre>
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                                    <br>
                                    <br>
                                  </div>
                                  <span><font color="#888888">
                                      <div>-- <br>
                                        Eduardo Almeida - Software
                                        Engineer<br>
                                        <a href="mailto:eduardo@web2solutions.com.br" target="_blank">eduardo@web2solutions.com.br</a>
                                        - 27 3021-2430 / 27 9839 3755<br>
                                        <br>
                                        <b>WEB2 Solutions</b> -
                                        Inovando, sempre!</div>
                                    </font></span></div>
                                <br>
                                =begin disclaimer<br>
                                   Sao Paulo Perl Mongers: <a href="http://sao-paulo.pm.org/" target="_blank">http://sao-paulo.pm.org/</a><br>
                                 SaoPaulo-pm mailing list: <a href="mailto:SaoPaulo-pm@pm.org" target="_blank">SaoPaulo-pm@pm.org</a><br>
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                                =end disclaimer<br>
                                <br>
                              </blockquote>
                            </div>
                          </div>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <div><br>
                            <br clear="all">
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            -- <br>
                            Leonardo Ruoso
                            <div>Journalist, Perl developer and business
                              consultant<br>
                              <div>Media, UFC/2006; Telecom, IFCE/1998</div>
                            </div>
                          </div>
                        </div>
                      </div>
                      <br>
                      =begin disclaimer<br>
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                      =end disclaimer<br>
                      <br>
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                  </div>
                </div>
              </div>
              <span><font color="#888888"><br>
                  <br clear="all">
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  -- <br>
                  Nelson Ferraz
                </font></span></div>
            <br>
            =begin disclaimer<br>
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            =end disclaimer<br>
            <br>
          </blockquote>
        </div>
        <br>
        <br clear="all">
        <div><br>
        </div>
        -- <br>
        Leonardo Ruoso
        <div>Journalist, Perl developer and business consultant<br>
          <div>Media, UFC/2006; Telecom, IFCE/1998</div>
        </div>
      </div>
      <br>
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      <br>
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 SaoPaulo-pm mailing list: <a href="mailto:SaoPaulo-pm@pm.org" target="_blank">SaoPaulo-pm@pm.org</a>
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    </blockquote>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div>-- <br>
      Eduardo Almeida - Software Engineer<br>
      <a href="mailto:eduardo@web2solutions.com.br" target="_blank">eduardo@web2solutions.com.br</a> - 27 3021-2430 / 27 9839 3755<br>
      <br>
      <b>WEB2 Solutions</b> - Inovando, sempre!</div>
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=end disclaimer<br>
<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Tiago B. Peczenyj<br>Linux User #405772<br><br><a href="http://about.me/peczenyj" target="_blank">http://about.me/peczenyj</a>
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