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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 16/05/2013 12:01, Tiago Peczenyj
      wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">Eduardo,
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div style="">depende. se estamos falando de iniciante de
          repente é "bom" ele começar com uma DSL e uma vez que aprendeu
          suficientemente bem alguns conceitos pode se aprofundar e ai
          virar um "programador de verdade". SE o camarada quiser se
          aprofundar, de repente ele só quer brincar um pouco e partir
          para outra.</div>
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    Não se esqueça dos brazuca que não falam inglês, no caso a maioria
    esmagadora. Se tivermos algo em pt-br, e melhor, façamos um redir
    então.<br>
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cite="mid:CAB_CdjwGR3T2FJL4cJp7tumk1wEJhPMXODOm0p1_bRZmU=XL4A@mail.gmail.com"
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        <div class="gmail_quote">2013/5/16 Eduardo Almeida <span
            dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:eduardo@web2solutions.com.br" target="_blank">eduardo@web2solutions.com.br</a>></span><br>
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                <div>On 16/05/2013 11:49, Leonardo Ruoso wrote:<br>
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                  <div dir="ltr">Como disse antes, essa é um ghost
                    thread.
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>Tem alguém para avaliar conteúdo que é
                      pertinente, atual e válido? Se não tem, coloca um
                      aviso BEM GRANDE avisando ao leitor que use esse
                      conteúdo por sua própria conta e risco, pois
                      apesar de conter alguns arquivos bons ou
                      aproveitáveis, boa parte do conteúdo é
                      ultrapassado, não é mantido e sua leitura não é </div>
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                  <div>necessariamente recomendada para quem não domina
                    a linguagem. Wiki sem manutenção é complicado.fer</div>
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              Recomendado é o que? iniciar por Modern Perl? no ponto de
              vista de quem? Seu? do SPPM? da Booking(acho que não)?<br>
              <br>
              Pra mim, começar pelo Moose sem saber o que é bless, por
              exemplo, é como achar que aprendeu Javascript porque
              "domina" Jquery<br>
              <br>
              Tire ele do ar e perca o caminho mais facil de se iniciar
              em perl que é oferecido em pt-br atualmente.
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                      <div class="gmail_quote">Em 16 de maio de 2013
                        11:40, Nelson Ferraz <span dir="ltr"><<a
                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:nferraz@gmail.com"
                            target="_blank">nferraz@gmail.com</a>></span>
                        escreveu:<br>
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                            <div>Leonardo,</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>Não entendi a sua sugestão: você acha
                              melhor desativar o wiki ou o site do
                              github?</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            Eu não tenho nada contra desativar nenhum
                            deles DESDE QUE todo material já produzido
                            seja movido para um site existente.
                            <div> <br>
                            </div>
                            <div>Por duas razões:</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>1) Ambos os sites contêm bastante
                              material de muito boa qualidade</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>2) Apagar o conteúdo de qualquer um
                              deles seria um desrespeito para com todos
                              aqueles que investiram tempo e esforço
                              para escrever todo aquele material.</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                          </div>
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                            <br>
                            <div class="gmail_quote">Em 16 de maio de
                              2013 16:24, Leonardo Ruoso <span
                                dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="mailto:leonardo@ruoso.com"
                                  target="_blank">leonardo@ruoso.com</a>></span>
                              escreveu:
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                                    <div dir="ltr">Essa era a grande
                                      questão Eduardo: não tem ninguém
                                      com tempo para manter mais um
                                      site. Daí que colocar os links
                                      para os sites relevantes,
                                      incluindo a documentação POD
                                      traduzida que está no github, os
                                      sites dos PM que mantém algum
                                      projeto de documentação e os blogs
                                      de desenvolvedores que
                                      compartilham informações sobre
                                      Perl era a forma que eu e outras
                                      pessoas viam como viável. 
                                      <div> <br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>Mas, enfim, daqui a 6 meses
                                        essa thread vai renascer.</div>
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                                      <div class="gmail_quote">Em 16 de
                                        maio de 2013 11:10, Eduardo
                                        Almeida <span dir="ltr"><<a
                                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                                            href="mailto:eduardo@web2solutions.com.br"
                                            target="_blank">eduardo@web2solutions.com.br</a>></span>
                                        escreveu:
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                                                  <div>On 16/05/2013
                                                    10:51, Leonardo
                                                    Ruoso wrote:<br>
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                                                      <div>Na época em
                                                        que houve um
                                                        movimento para
                                                        reativá-lo houve
                                                        uma resistência
                                                        bastante grande
                                                        aqui na SPPM,
                                                        então
                                                        provavelmente
                                                        você não vai ler
                                                        muitos
                                                        comentários por
                                                        aqui sobre o <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://perl.org.br" target="_blank">perl.org.br</a>.
                                                        <br>
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                                                Exato
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                                                      <div>A ideia era
                                                        que ou alguém
                                                        assumia
                                                        efetivamente a
                                                        manutenção do
                                                        site</div>
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                                                A manutenção é o de
                                                menos
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                                                      <div> ou o deixava
                                                        fora do ar como
                                                        estava, ou
                                                        transformava num
                                                        bookmark para
                                                        sites relevantes
                                                        de Perl. Nós
                                                        perdemos o
                                                        debate. </div>
                                                    </div>
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                                                Na realidade eu assumi
                                                publicamente que iria
                                                fazer um layout novo,
                                                organizar o conteúdo,
                                                indexar novos conteúdos,
                                                "learn perl" with a
                                                interactive online
                                                terminal, e outros.<br>
                                                O SPPM se posicionou da
                                                seguinte forma: Tenha
                                                ciência de que se você
                                                fizer isso, você o
                                                estará fazendo para a
                                                SOS Marumbi.<br>
                                                <br>
                                                Pra ficar claro, eu não
                                                desisti/abandonei. O
                                                overload tá foda. Estou
                                                justamente em fase de
                                                contratação de pessoal e
                                                em muito breve vou
                                                alocar alguém da empresa
                                                só pra isso.
                                                INDEPENDENTE se uns
                                                acham que é pra SOS
                                                Marumbi ou não,
                                                independente se alguem
                                                vai fazer algo parecido
                                                ou não.<br>
                                                <br>
                                                Disponível online temos
                                                algumas logos e matrizes
                                                das mesmas. <a
                                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://github.com/Brasil-Perl-Mongers/perl.org.br"
                                                  target="_blank">https://github.com/Brasil-Perl-Mongers/perl.org.br</a>
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                                                      <div
                                                        class="gmail_quote">2013/5/16

                                                        Tiago Peczenyj <span
                                                          dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:tiago.peczenyj@gmail.com"
                                                          target="_blank">tiago.peczenyj@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
                                                        <blockquote
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                                                          <div dir="ltr"><a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://perl.org.br/" target="_blank">http://perl.org.br/</a>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>ta um
                                                          pouco
                                                          desatualizado<span><font
color="#888888"><br clear="all">
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          -- <br>
                                                          Tiago B.
                                                          Peczenyj<br>
                                                          Linux User
                                                          #405772<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://about.me/peczenyj" target="_blank">http://about.me/peczenyj</a>
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                                                      <br clear="all">
                                                      <div><br>
                                                      </div>
                                                      -- <br>
                                                      Leonardo Ruoso
                                                      <div>Journalist,
                                                        Perl developer
                                                        and business
                                                        consultant<br>
                                                        <div>Media,
                                                          UFC/2006; Telecom,
                                                          IFCE/1998</div>
                                                      </div>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <br>
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                                                    <br>
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                                                </div>
                                                <span><font
                                                    color="#888888">
                                                    <div>-- <br>
                                                      Eduardo Almeida -
                                                      Software Engineer<br>
                                                      <a
                                                        moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:eduardo@web2solutions.com.br" target="_blank">eduardo@web2solutions.com.br</a>
                                                      - 27 3021-2430 /
                                                      27 9839 3755<br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      <b>WEB2 Solutions</b>
                                                      - Inovando,
                                                      sempre!</div>
                                                  </font></span></div>
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                                        <div><br>
                                          <br clear="all">
                                          <div><br>
                                          </div>
                                          -- <br>
                                          Leonardo Ruoso
                                          <div>Journalist, Perl
                                            developer and business
                                            consultant<br>
                                            <div>Media,
                                              UFC/2006; Telecom,
                                              IFCE/1998</div>
                                          </div>
                                        </div>
                                      </div>
                                    </div>
                                    <br>
                                    =begin disclaimer<br>
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                            </div>
                            <span><font color="#888888"><br>
                                <br clear="all">
                                <div><br>
                                </div>
                                -- <br>
                                Nelson Ferraz </font></span></div>
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                          =begin disclaimer<br>
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                      <br>
                      <br clear="all">
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      -- <br>
                      Leonardo Ruoso
                      <div>Journalist, Perl developer and business
                        consultant<br>
                        <div>Media, UFC/2006; Telecom, IFCE/1998</div>
                      </div>
                    </div>
                    <br>
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                    <br>
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                  <br>
                  <br>
                  <div>-- <br>
                    Eduardo Almeida - Software Engineer<br>
                    <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:eduardo@web2solutions.com.br"
                      target="_blank">eduardo@web2solutions.com.br</a> -
                    27 3021-2430 / 27 9839 3755<br>
                    <br>
                    <b>WEB2 Solutions</b> - Inovando, sempre!</div>
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             SaoPaulo-pm mailing list: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:SaoPaulo-pm@pm.org">SaoPaulo-pm@pm.org</a><br>
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              href="http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/saopaulo-pm"
              target="_blank">http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/saopaulo-pm</a>><br>
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        Tiago B. Peczenyj<br>
        Linux User #405772<br>
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   Sao Paulo Perl Mongers: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://sao-paulo.pm.org/">http://sao-paulo.pm.org/</a>
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      <b>WEB2 Solutions</b> - Inovando, sempre!</div>
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