From fred at redhotpenguin.com Tue Feb 3 15:43:34 2015 From: fred at redhotpenguin.com (Fred Moyer) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 15:43:34 -0800 Subject: [sf-perl] @miyagawa interviews Ricardo Signes on P5 development Message-ID: Pretty interesting interview on Perl 5 development http://rebuild.fm/77/ From sfpm at vmbrasseur.com Tue Feb 3 17:30:11 2015 From: sfpm at vmbrasseur.com (VM Brasseur) Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2015 17:30:11 -0800 Subject: [sf-perl] @miyagawa interviews Ricardo Signes on P5 development In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54D17623.1020700@vmbrasseur.com> This was great. Thank you for sharing, Fred! On 02/03/2015 15:43 , Fred Moyer wrote: > Pretty interesting interview on Perl 5 development > > http://rebuild.fm/77/ > _______________________________________________ > SanFrancisco-pm mailing list > SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm > From petercmartini at gmail.com Wed Feb 4 16:27:35 2015 From: petercmartini at gmail.com (Peter Martini) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 19:27:35 -0500 Subject: [sf-perl] Social event? Message-ID: Hi folks, I'll be in the area next Wednesday to late Friday night, any chance of getting together a short notice meetup? Peter Martini Sent from my iPhone From fred at redhotpenguin.com Wed Feb 4 16:50:44 2015 From: fred at redhotpenguin.com (Fred Moyer) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 16:50:44 -0800 Subject: [sf-perl] @miyagawa interviews TimToady about Perl6 on his podcast Message-ID: Good showing the past couple days. http://rebuild.fm/78/ From doomvox at gmail.com Thu Feb 5 10:44:49 2015 From: doomvox at gmail.com (Joseph Brenner) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 10:44:49 -0800 Subject: [sf-perl] @miyagawa interviews TimToady about Perl6 on his podcast In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yeah, I still haven't had a chance to listen to the AKB48 talk. On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 4:50 PM, Fred Moyer wrote: > Good showing the past couple days. > > http://rebuild.fm/78/ > _______________________________________________ > SanFrancisco-pm mailing list > SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to doom+unsubscribe at kzsu.stanford.edu. From fred at redhotpenguin.com Fri Feb 6 11:07:43 2015 From: fred at redhotpenguin.com (Fred Moyer) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2015 11:07:43 -0800 Subject: [sf-perl] [job] Looking for an engineering manager Message-ID: Greetings, I'm looking for an engineering manager for a small team that handles tools development and interesting problems. You need to be good with people. You need to be able to read code, read git blame, and understand the context and archaeology of codebases. This last part is crucial; the previous manager for this team wasn't able to do that, and it showed. You need to be able to step in and write Perl/Python/SQL/Javascript when needed, but that won't be your primary role. The position is located in Oakland, CA, convenient to a major BART stop. There are some smart people that you'll get to work with. Please email me off list if interested. Thanks! From doomvox at gmail.com Mon Feb 9 10:58:48 2015 From: doomvox at gmail.com (Joseph Brenner) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 10:58:48 -0800 Subject: [sf-perl] Social event? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sorry, it's looking like a lot of us are busy just now. Anyone up for hanging out with Peter on Wednesday, Thursday or Friday? That's 2/11-2/13. Peter Martini is this fellow ("Getting to Sub Signatures", YAPC 2013): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvnIcLc2Nrs On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Peter Martini wrote: > Hi folks, > > I'll be in the area next Wednesday to late Friday night, any chance of getting together a short notice meetup? > > Peter Martini > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > SanFrancisco-pm mailing list > SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm From danlyke at flutterby.com Mon Feb 9 11:04:11 2015 From: danlyke at flutterby.com (Dan Lyke) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 11:04:11 -0800 Subject: [sf-perl] Social event? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 10:58 AM, Joseph Brenner wrote: > Sorry, it's looking like a lot of us are busy just now. Anyone up > for hanging out with Peter on Wednesday, Thursday or Friday? That's > 2/11-2/13. I haven't been to an SFPM in years, but I will be meeting with someone with an idea on Wednesday afternoon, going to Homebrew Website Club after, and as long as I can catch the last ferry north (9:35PM), could probably do something near the Ferry Building/Embarcardero end of Market after that (HWC often wraps up about 7:30, although sometimes there's post meetup discussion). Or maybe the logistics of that are just too much... Dan From doomvox at gmail.com Mon Feb 9 11:04:02 2015 From: doomvox at gmail.com (Joseph Brenner) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 11:04:02 -0800 Subject: [sf-perl] @miyagawa interviews TimToady about Perl6 on his podcast In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The Ricardo and Larry talks were pretty interesting all right... I thought it was funny that Larry has quietly changed the meaning of "Rakudo". It was introduced as supposedly meaning "perl6 on parrot, as opposed to pugs and so on", now it's just a synonym for "Perl 6". I had the vague feeling he might be going in that direction... a lot of people were complaining about the side-effects of calling his new project "Perl", but rather than declare a name change, he introduced an *alternate* name, that exists in parallel and can be gradually promoted and the earlier name downplayed. Definitely the Larry Wall approach toward things ("Let's do it both ways!"). (I was a bit dissapointed, thought not surprised that the "AKB48 Governance" talk is in Japanese. As is the emacs talks with the snazzy names -- "The editor you never quit".) On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Joseph Brenner wrote: > Yeah, I still haven't had a chance to listen to the AKB48 talk. > > > On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 4:50 PM, Fred Moyer wrote: >> Good showing the past couple days. >> >> http://rebuild.fm/78/ >> _______________________________________________ >> SanFrancisco-pm mailing list >> SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm >> >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to doom+unsubscribe at kzsu.stanford.edu. From doomvox at gmail.com Mon Feb 9 11:06:24 2015 From: doomvox at gmail.com (Joseph Brenner) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 11:06:24 -0800 Subject: [sf-perl] Social event? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Oh I don't know, hanging out around the Ferry Building could be fun, but myself I'm still going to be riding trains up from Sunnyvale around then. Anyone else up for it? On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 11:04 AM, Dan Lyke wrote: > On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 10:58 AM, Joseph Brenner wrote: >> Sorry, it's looking like a lot of us are busy just now. Anyone up >> for hanging out with Peter on Wednesday, Thursday or Friday? That's >> 2/11-2/13. > > I haven't been to an SFPM in years, but I will be meeting with someone > with an idea on Wednesday afternoon, going to Homebrew Website Club > after, and as long as I can catch the last ferry north (9:35PM), could > probably do something near the Ferry Building/Embarcardero end of > Market after that (HWC often wraps up about 7:30, although sometimes > there's post meetup discussion). > > Or maybe the logistics of that are just too much... > > Dan > _______________________________________________ > SanFrancisco-pm mailing list > SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to doom+unsubscribe at kzsu.stanford.edu. From not.com at gmail.com Mon Feb 9 11:14:54 2015 From: not.com at gmail.com (yary) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 14:14:54 -0500 Subject: [sf-perl] @miyagawa interviews TimToady about Perl6 on his podcast In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Rakudo". It was introduced as supposedly meaning "perl6 on parrot, as opposed to pugs and so on", now it's just a synonym for "Perl 6". Not really, it's just that the Rakudo project now supports multiple compiler backends- Parrot, JVM, and MoarVM- and is the most complete implementation now. I don't think there are any other currently active perl6 projects, though someone did write the Perl 6 compiler list about creating a C-based interpreter last month, so who knows. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doomvox at gmail.com Mon Feb 9 11:50:01 2015 From: doomvox at gmail.com (Joseph Brenner) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 11:50:01 -0800 Subject: [sf-perl] @miyagawa interviews TimToady about Perl6 on his podcast In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I guess I see what you're saying... from that point of view the present day Rakudo is something like a spin-off from a project that was targeting Parrot originally. And hypothetically one could take the Perl 6 spec and re-implement it, so Rakudo isn't an exact synonym for Perl 6. On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 11:14 AM, yary wrote: > "Rakudo". It was introduced as supposedly meaning "perl6 on parrot, > as opposed to pugs and so on", now it's just a synonym for "Perl 6". > > Not really, it's just that the Rakudo project now supports multiple compiler > backends- Parrot, JVM, and MoarVM- and is the most complete implementation > now. I don't think there are any other currently active perl6 projects, > though someone did write the Perl 6 compiler list about creating a C-based > interpreter last month, so who knows. > From miller.hall at gmail.com Mon Feb 9 14:44:48 2015 From: miller.hall at gmail.com (Miller Hall) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 14:44:48 -0800 Subject: [sf-perl] Social event? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Would be interested in joining any meeting on Wednesday evening in San Francisco. Will be going to SVPM on Thursday though, so don't foresee being able to make any meeting on Thursday or Friday. Cheers, - Miller On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 11:06 AM, Joseph Brenner wrote: > Oh I don't know, hanging out around the Ferry Building could be fun, > but myself I'm still going to be riding trains up from Sunnyvale > around then. Anyone else up for it? > > > On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 11:04 AM, Dan Lyke wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 10:58 AM, Joseph Brenner > wrote: > >> Sorry, it's looking like a lot of us are busy just now. Anyone up > >> for hanging out with Peter on Wednesday, Thursday or Friday? That's > >> 2/11-2/13. > > > > I haven't been to an SFPM in years, but I will be meeting with someone > > with an idea on Wednesday afternoon, going to Homebrew Website Club > > after, and as long as I can catch the last ferry north (9:35PM), could > > probably do something near the Ferry Building/Embarcardero end of > > Market after that (HWC often wraps up about 7:30, although sometimes > > there's post meetup discussion). > > > > Or maybe the logistics of that are just too much... > > > > Dan > > _______________________________________________ > > SanFrancisco-pm mailing list > > SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm > > > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to doom+unsubscribe at kzsu.stanford.edu. > _______________________________________________ > SanFrancisco-pm mailing list > SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mspiegelmock at gmail.com Mon Feb 9 11:42:28 2015 From: mspiegelmock at gmail.com (mspiegelmock at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 11:42:28 -0800 Subject: [sf-perl] Social event? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sure, I?m up for it. Thursday would be best for me. > On Feb 9, 2015, at 10:58 AM, Joseph Brenner wrote: > > Sorry, it's looking like a lot of us are busy just now. Anyone up > for hanging out with Peter on Wednesday, Thursday or Friday? That's > 2/11-2/13. > > Peter Martini is this fellow ("Getting to Sub Signatures", YAPC 2013): > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvnIcLc2Nrs > > On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Peter Martini wrote: >> Hi folks, >> >> I'll be in the area next Wednesday to late Friday night, any chance of getting together a short notice meetup? >> >> Peter Martini >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> SanFrancisco-pm mailing list >> SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm > _______________________________________________ > SanFrancisco-pm mailing list > SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm From stefan at cloudfactory.org Mon Feb 9 13:58:58 2015 From: stefan at cloudfactory.org (Stefan Amshey) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2015 21:58:58 +0000 Subject: [sf-perl] [job] looking for experienced engineer Message-ID: Hello all- Our team is looking for an experienced full-stack engineer to join us in downtown Berkeley, 1 block from the BART station. Our legacy code is primarily in perl, with a couple of newer products that are using python/django. Other technologies we use: postgres, solr, redis, memcached, git, javascript/nodejs. We need someone who can both read code and communicate effectively with other engineers. Part time remote might be considered, with the emphasis on part-time, but generally we are a very interactive team so you must be willing to be in the office the majority of the time. Please email me off-list if you're interested in learning more. Thanks! /Stefan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fred at redhotpenguin.com Mon Feb 9 15:07:21 2015 From: fred at redhotpenguin.com (Fred Moyer) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 15:07:21 -0800 Subject: [sf-perl] [job] Circonus is looking for a Perl developer Message-ID: If I weren't currently full time employed I'd jump quickly at this opportunity. The company has very strong leadership. http://jobs.perl.org/job/19218 Circonus is a software company that is changing the way the world monitors both IT infrastructure and businesses it powers. Our SaaS and on-premise solutions enable companies to navigate the torrent of telemetry data produced by technology enabled businesses, turn that data into information and leverage that it all to make better and faster decisions. Circonus operations team members focus on operating high performance, resilient systems to power telemetry analysis systems around the globe. As a Perl Developer you will be working inside the software engineering group in a DevOps culture -- though you're unlikely to hear that word on the job. From quinn at pgexperts.com Tue Feb 10 18:07:22 2015 From: quinn at pgexperts.com (Quinn Weaver) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 18:07:22 -0800 Subject: [sf-perl] Social event? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ditto: I'm up for it, and Thursday would be best. On February 9, 2015, at 11:42 AM, mspiegelmock at gmail.com wrote: > > Sure, I?m up for it. Thursday would be best for me. > >> On Feb 9, 2015, at 10:58 AM, Joseph Brenner wrote: >> >> Sorry, it's looking like a lot of us are busy just now. Anyone up >> for hanging out with Peter on Wednesday, Thursday or Friday? That's >> 2/11-2/13. >> >> Peter Martini is this fellow ("Getting to Sub Signatures", YAPC 2013): >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvnIcLc2Nrs >> >> On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Peter Martini wrote: >>> Hi folks, >>> >>> I'll be in the area next Wednesday to late Friday night, any chance of getting together a short notice meetup? >>> >>> Peter Martini >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SanFrancisco-pm mailing list >>> SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org >>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm >> _______________________________________________ >> SanFrancisco-pm mailing list >> SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm > > _______________________________________________ > SanFrancisco-pm mailing list > SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm -- Quinn Weaver PostgreSQL Experts, Inc. http://pgexperts.com/ 1-888-743-9778 (my extension: 510) From petercmartini at gmail.com Tue Feb 10 22:11:39 2015 From: petercmartini at gmail.com (Peter Martini) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 22:11:39 -0800 Subject: [sf-perl] Social event? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A602B8D-BC9B-429D-B85C-9C995349D2AE@gmail.com> Thursday sounds good to me Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 9, 2015, at 11:42, mspiegelmock at gmail.com wrote: > > Sure, I?m up for it. Thursday would be best for me. > >> On Feb 9, 2015, at 10:58 AM, Joseph Brenner wrote: >> >> Sorry, it's looking like a lot of us are busy just now. Anyone up >> for hanging out with Peter on Wednesday, Thursday or Friday? That's >> 2/11-2/13. >> >> Peter Martini is this fellow ("Getting to Sub Signatures", YAPC 2013): >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvnIcLc2Nrs >> >>> On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Peter Martini wrote: >>> Hi folks, >>> >>> I'll be in the area next Wednesday to late Friday night, any chance of getting together a short notice meetup? >>> >>> Peter Martini >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SanFrancisco-pm mailing list >>> SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org >>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm >> _______________________________________________ >> SanFrancisco-pm mailing list >> SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm > From doomvox at gmail.com Wed Feb 11 11:15:05 2015 From: doomvox at gmail.com (Joseph Brenner) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 11:15:05 -0800 Subject: [sf-perl] Social event? In-Reply-To: <4A602B8D-BC9B-429D-B85C-9C995349D2AE@gmail.com> References: <4A602B8D-BC9B-429D-B85C-9C995349D2AE@gmail.com> Message-ID: Summary: Tomorrow night (thursday), Cafe Greco in North Beach, Columbus Ave between Vallejo and Green/Stockton, 8pm (or earlier?). Or something else? Okay-- I'm still not sure I can make it, but it looks like I'm defacto organizer-- it sounds like we're talking Thursday, tomorrow night (apologies to you Wednesday folks, one of these days we're going to start doing stuff on Wednesdays, I promise). The next question is what time frame? We were briefly talking about the Ferry Building, which is an idea that I like, but unfortunately most places there close up pretty early (an exception is Gott's which is open until 10pm, a basic burger joint where vegetarians are distinctly second class citizens). I was strongly considering pushing for Naan N Curry on O'Farrell, but their web site seems to indicate that they're closed (Forever? For remodeling? And... how did I learn this before the hordes of yelp?): http://naanncurrysf.net/location/indian-restaurant-in-san-francisco-86/ So, I'm going to break our usual rule of sticking near BART stations, and just suggest a place I feel like going to: Cafe Greco in North Beach, Columbus Ave between Vallejo and Green/Stockton: http://www.yelp.com/biz/caffe-greco-san-francisco This is a classic italian cafe, strong on espresso and deserts, but with decent sandwiches, and also wine and beer. They've got enough tables that a bunch of us can probably just drop in without reservations. I can probably make it there by 8pm (they're open until 11pm). If you want to meet earlier, feel free to call a time. And if you don't like my idea, you can find yourself another defacto organizer. On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 10:11 PM, Peter Martini wrote: > Thursday sounds good to me > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 9, 2015, at 11:42, mspiegelmock at gmail.com wrote: >> >> Sure, I?m up for it. Thursday would be best for me. >> >>> On Feb 9, 2015, at 10:58 AM, Joseph Brenner wrote: >>> >>> Sorry, it's looking like a lot of us are busy just now. Anyone up >>> for hanging out with Peter on Wednesday, Thursday or Friday? That's >>> 2/11-2/13. >>> >>> Peter Martini is this fellow ("Getting to Sub Signatures", YAPC 2013): >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvnIcLc2Nrs >>> >>>> On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Peter Martini wrote: >>>> Hi folks, >>>> >>>> I'll be in the area next Wednesday to late Friday night, any chance of getting together a short notice meetup? >>>> >>>> Peter Martini >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SanFrancisco-pm mailing list >>>> SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org >>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SanFrancisco-pm mailing list >>> SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org >>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm >> From quinn.weaver at pgexperts.com Wed Feb 11 11:19:45 2015 From: quinn.weaver at pgexperts.com (Quinn Weaver) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 11:19:45 -0800 Subject: [sf-perl] Social event? In-Reply-To: References: <4A602B8D-BC9B-429D-B85C-9C995349D2AE@gmail.com> Message-ID: <25C88A31-C3A9-4F7A-87DB-F7C2954DF8D5@pgexperts.com> > On Feb 11, 2015, at 11:15 AM, Joseph Brenner wrote: > > Summary: Tomorrow night (thursday), Cafe Greco in North Beach, > Columbus Ave between Vallejo and Green/Stockton, 8pm (or earlier?) Works for me. > Or something else? > > Okay-- I'm still not sure I can make it, but it looks like I'm defacto > organizer-- it sounds like we're talking Thursday, tomorrow night > (apologies to you Wednesday folks, one of these days we're going to > start doing stuff on Wednesdays, I promise). The next question is > what time frame? We were briefly talking about the Ferry Building, > which is an idea that I like, but unfortunately most places there > close up pretty early (an exception is Gott's which is open until > 10pm, a basic burger joint where vegetarians are distinctly second > class citizens). > > I was strongly considering pushing for Naan N Curry on O'Farrell, but > their web site seems to indicate that they're closed (Forever? For > remodeling? And... how did I learn this before the hordes of yelp?): > > http://naanncurrysf.net/location/indian-restaurant-in-san-francisco-86/ > > So, I'm going to break our usual rule of sticking near BART stations, > and just suggest a place I feel like going to: Cafe Greco in North > Beach, Columbus Ave between Vallejo and Green/Stockton: > > http://www.yelp.com/biz/caffe-greco-san-francisco > > This is a classic italian cafe, strong on espresso and deserts, but > with decent sandwiches, and also wine and beer. They've got enough > tables that a bunch of us can probably just drop in without > reservations. > > I can probably make it there by 8pm (they're open until 11pm). If you > want to meet earlier, feel free to call a time. And if you don't like > my idea, you can find yourself another defacto organizer. > > >> On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 10:11 PM, Peter Martini wrote: >> Thursday sounds good to me >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Feb 9, 2015, at 11:42, mspiegelmock at gmail.com wrote: >>> >>> Sure, I?m up for it. Thursday would be best for me. >>> >>>> On Feb 9, 2015, at 10:58 AM, Joseph Brenner wrote: >>>> >>>> Sorry, it's looking like a lot of us are busy just now. Anyone up >>>> for hanging out with Peter on Wednesday, Thursday or Friday? That's >>>> 2/11-2/13. >>>> >>>> Peter Martini is this fellow ("Getting to Sub Signatures", YAPC 2013): >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvnIcLc2Nrs >>>> >>>>> On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Peter Martini wrote: >>>>> Hi folks, >>>>> >>>>> I'll be in the area next Wednesday to late Friday night, any chance of getting together a short notice meetup? >>>>> >>>>> Peter Martini >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> SanFrancisco-pm mailing list >>>>> SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org >>>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SanFrancisco-pm mailing list >>>> SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org >>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm >>> > _______________________________________________ > SanFrancisco-pm mailing list > SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm -- Quinn Weaver, PostgreSQL Experts 888-743-9778 x510 From mspiegelmock at gmail.com Wed Feb 11 11:15:54 2015 From: mspiegelmock at gmail.com (mspiegelmock at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 11:15:54 -0800 Subject: [sf-perl] Social event? In-Reply-To: References: <4A602B8D-BC9B-429D-B85C-9C995349D2AE@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5FE2CCFD-E117-4DF8-AD78-8622B67C5624@gmail.com> Okay, turns out I can?t do Thursday night, sorry :( > On Feb 11, 2015, at 11:15 AM, Joseph Brenner wrote: > > Summary: Tomorrow night (thursday), Cafe Greco in North Beach, > Columbus Ave between Vallejo and Green/Stockton, 8pm (or earlier?). > Or something else? > > Okay-- I'm still not sure I can make it, but it looks like I'm defacto > organizer-- it sounds like we're talking Thursday, tomorrow night > (apologies to you Wednesday folks, one of these days we're going to > start doing stuff on Wednesdays, I promise). The next question is > what time frame? We were briefly talking about the Ferry Building, > which is an idea that I like, but unfortunately most places there > close up pretty early (an exception is Gott's which is open until > 10pm, a basic burger joint where vegetarians are distinctly second > class citizens). > > I was strongly considering pushing for Naan N Curry on O'Farrell, but > their web site seems to indicate that they're closed (Forever? For > remodeling? And... how did I learn this before the hordes of yelp?): > > http://naanncurrysf.net/location/indian-restaurant-in-san-francisco-86/ > > So, I'm going to break our usual rule of sticking near BART stations, > and just suggest a place I feel like going to: Cafe Greco in North > Beach, Columbus Ave between Vallejo and Green/Stockton: > > http://www.yelp.com/biz/caffe-greco-san-francisco > > This is a classic italian cafe, strong on espresso and deserts, but > with decent sandwiches, and also wine and beer. They've got enough > tables that a bunch of us can probably just drop in without > reservations. > > I can probably make it there by 8pm (they're open until 11pm). If you > want to meet earlier, feel free to call a time. And if you don't like > my idea, you can find yourself another defacto organizer. > > > On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 10:11 PM, Peter Martini wrote: >> Thursday sounds good to me >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Feb 9, 2015, at 11:42, mspiegelmock at gmail.com wrote: >>> >>> Sure, I?m up for it. Thursday would be best for me. >>> >>>> On Feb 9, 2015, at 10:58 AM, Joseph Brenner wrote: >>>> >>>> Sorry, it's looking like a lot of us are busy just now. Anyone up >>>> for hanging out with Peter on Wednesday, Thursday or Friday? That's >>>> 2/11-2/13. >>>> >>>> Peter Martini is this fellow ("Getting to Sub Signatures", YAPC 2013): >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvnIcLc2Nrs >>>> >>>>> On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Peter Martini wrote: >>>>> Hi folks, >>>>> >>>>> I'll be in the area next Wednesday to late Friday night, any chance of getting together a short notice meetup? >>>>> >>>>> Peter Martini >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> SanFrancisco-pm mailing list >>>>> SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org >>>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SanFrancisco-pm mailing list >>>> SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org >>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm >>> From petercmartini at gmail.com Thu Feb 12 09:49:32 2015 From: petercmartini at gmail.com (Peter Martini) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 09:49:32 -0800 Subject: [sf-perl] Social event? In-Reply-To: <25C88A31-C3A9-4F7A-87DB-F7C2954DF8D5@pgexperts.com> References: <4A602B8D-BC9B-429D-B85C-9C995349D2AE@gmail.com> <25C88A31-C3A9-4F7A-87DB-F7C2954DF8D5@pgexperts.com> Message-ID: I'll be there by 8, or earlier if anyone wants to come out earlier. On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 11:19 AM, Quinn Weaver wrote: > > > > On Feb 11, 2015, at 11:15 AM, Joseph Brenner wrote: > > > > Summary: Tomorrow night (thursday), Cafe Greco in North Beach, > > Columbus Ave between Vallejo and Green/Stockton, 8pm (or earlier?) > > Works for me. > > > > Or something else? > > > > Okay-- I'm still not sure I can make it, but it looks like I'm defacto > > organizer-- it sounds like we're talking Thursday, tomorrow night > > (apologies to you Wednesday folks, one of these days we're going to > > start doing stuff on Wednesdays, I promise). The next question is > > what time frame? We were briefly talking about the Ferry Building, > > which is an idea that I like, but unfortunately most places there > > close up pretty early (an exception is Gott's which is open until > > 10pm, a basic burger joint where vegetarians are distinctly second > > class citizens). > > > > I was strongly considering pushing for Naan N Curry on O'Farrell, but > > their web site seems to indicate that they're closed (Forever? For > > remodeling? And... how did I learn this before the hordes of yelp?): > > > > http://naanncurrysf.net/location/indian-restaurant-in-san-francisco-86/ > > > > So, I'm going to break our usual rule of sticking near BART stations, > > and just suggest a place I feel like going to: Cafe Greco in North > > Beach, Columbus Ave between Vallejo and Green/Stockton: > > > > http://www.yelp.com/biz/caffe-greco-san-francisco > > > > This is a classic italian cafe, strong on espresso and deserts, but > > with decent sandwiches, and also wine and beer. They've got enough > > tables that a bunch of us can probably just drop in without > > reservations. > > > > I can probably make it there by 8pm (they're open until 11pm). If you > > want to meet earlier, feel free to call a time. And if you don't like > > my idea, you can find yourself another defacto organizer. > > > > > >> On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 10:11 PM, Peter Martini < > petercmartini at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Thursday sounds good to me > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>> On Feb 9, 2015, at 11:42, mspiegelmock at gmail.com wrote: > >>> > >>> Sure, I?m up for it. Thursday would be best for me. > >>> > >>>> On Feb 9, 2015, at 10:58 AM, Joseph Brenner > wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Sorry, it's looking like a lot of us are busy just now. Anyone up > >>>> for hanging out with Peter on Wednesday, Thursday or Friday? That's > >>>> 2/11-2/13. > >>>> > >>>> Peter Martini is this fellow ("Getting to Sub Signatures", YAPC 2013): > >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvnIcLc2Nrs > >>>> > >>>>> On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Peter Martini < > petercmartini at gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>> Hi folks, > >>>>> > >>>>> I'll be in the area next Wednesday to late Friday night, any chance > of getting together a short notice meetup? > >>>>> > >>>>> Peter Martini > >>>>> > >>>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> SanFrancisco-pm mailing list > >>>>> SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org > >>>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> SanFrancisco-pm mailing list > >>>> SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org > >>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm > >>> > > _______________________________________________ > > SanFrancisco-pm mailing list > > SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm > > -- > Quinn Weaver, PostgreSQL Experts > 888-743-9778 x510 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doomvox at gmail.com Thu Feb 12 16:31:11 2015 From: doomvox at gmail.com (Joseph Brenner) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 16:31:11 -0800 Subject: [sf-perl] Social event? In-Reply-To: References: <4A602B8D-BC9B-429D-B85C-9C995349D2AE@gmail.com> <25C88A31-C3A9-4F7A-87DB-F7C2954DF8D5@pgexperts.com> Message-ID: I actually might make it a little earlier, but let's say 8pm just to be on the safe side. On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 9:49 AM, Peter Martini wrote: > I'll be there by 8, or earlier if anyone wants to come out earlier. > > On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 11:19 AM, Quinn Weaver > wrote: >> >> >> >> > On Feb 11, 2015, at 11:15 AM, Joseph Brenner wrote: >> > >> > Summary: Tomorrow night (thursday), Cafe Greco in North Beach, >> > Columbus Ave between Vallejo and Green/Stockton, 8pm (or earlier?) >> >> Works for me. >> >> >> > Or something else? >> > >> > Okay-- I'm still not sure I can make it, but it looks like I'm defacto >> > organizer-- it sounds like we're talking Thursday, tomorrow night >> > (apologies to you Wednesday folks, one of these days we're going to >> > start doing stuff on Wednesdays, I promise). The next question is >> > what time frame? We were briefly talking about the Ferry Building, >> > which is an idea that I like, but unfortunately most places there >> > close up pretty early (an exception is Gott's which is open until >> > 10pm, a basic burger joint where vegetarians are distinctly second >> > class citizens). >> > >> > I was strongly considering pushing for Naan N Curry on O'Farrell, but >> > their web site seems to indicate that they're closed (Forever? For >> > remodeling? And... how did I learn this before the hordes of yelp?): >> > >> > http://naanncurrysf.net/location/indian-restaurant-in-san-francisco-86/ >> > >> > So, I'm going to break our usual rule of sticking near BART stations, >> > and just suggest a place I feel like going to: Cafe Greco in North >> > Beach, Columbus Ave between Vallejo and Green/Stockton: >> > >> > http://www.yelp.com/biz/caffe-greco-san-francisco >> > >> > This is a classic italian cafe, strong on espresso and deserts, but >> > with decent sandwiches, and also wine and beer. They've got enough >> > tables that a bunch of us can probably just drop in without >> > reservations. >> > >> > I can probably make it there by 8pm (they're open until 11pm). If you >> > want to meet earlier, feel free to call a time. And if you don't like >> > my idea, you can find yourself another defacto organizer. >> > >> > >> >> On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 10:11 PM, Peter Martini >> >> wrote: >> >> Thursday sounds good to me >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> >>> On Feb 9, 2015, at 11:42, mspiegelmock at gmail.com wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Sure, I?m up for it. Thursday would be best for me. >> >>> >> >>>> On Feb 9, 2015, at 10:58 AM, Joseph Brenner >> >>>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> Sorry, it's looking like a lot of us are busy just now. Anyone up >> >>>> for hanging out with Peter on Wednesday, Thursday or Friday? That's >> >>>> 2/11-2/13. >> >>>> >> >>>> Peter Martini is this fellow ("Getting to Sub Signatures", YAPC >> >>>> 2013): >> >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvnIcLc2Nrs >> >>>> >> >>>>> On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Peter Martini >> >>>>> wrote: >> >>>>> Hi folks, >> >>>>> >> >>>>> I'll be in the area next Wednesday to late Friday night, any chance >> >>>>> of getting together a short notice meetup? >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Peter Martini >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>> SanFrancisco-pm mailing list >> >>>>> SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org >> >>>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> SanFrancisco-pm mailing list >> >>>> SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org >> >>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm >> >>> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SanFrancisco-pm mailing list >> > SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org >> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm >> >> -- >> Quinn Weaver, PostgreSQL Experts >> 888-743-9778 x510 > > From lyraslvrtnge at gmail.com Sat Feb 14 13:52:51 2015 From: lyraslvrtnge at gmail.com (Lyra Silvertongue) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 16:52:51 -0500 Subject: [sf-perl] [ off topic ] Message-ID: Hey guys, im just looking for a little advice. I recently did a very short contract for a company with a really unsavory character as its C.O. . Not only was he really unprofessional in his behavior but after the contract was ended and I asked about my last invoice I got complete silence. I have sent a few emails including one with the invoice and have gotten nothing back. Im unsure how to proceed if he wont pay me. I feel like I cant put the word out either as it would only reflect poorly on me as he is well known in the perl world. But because of his behavior I worry that I cant have been the only one this has happened to. Any advice? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From frimicc at gmail.com Sun Feb 15 10:24:46 2015 From: frimicc at gmail.com (Mike Friedman) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 10:24:46 -0800 Subject: [sf-perl] [ off topic ] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <26911DA4-CB08-45F9-BFA9-FBE2D06FBC26@gmail.com> IANAL, but if it's a decent amount of money, you should probably get one. Personally, I wouldn't stop at emailing to ask for payment of your invoice. Phone calls are more forceful and letters through the mail, with copies that you keep as a record, are even better. Be sure not to threaten him with disclosure of his activities or you could be in legal trouble for slander. (Even if you're in the right. The law is very definitely on the side of the employer in this sort of case.) I agree that "outing" him in a public forum probably won't help either your reputation or get you your money. It'd feel good for a little bit, but is likely not worth it in the end. As with any other contract dispute, a lawyer is going to be your best next option here. I'm sorry this happened to you and even more sorry that our culture today won't let you give him the public shaming he may deserve. :-( I hope you can at least get paid, though. Best of luck! -- Michael Friedman ______________________________ Michael Friedman frimicc at gmail.com > On Feb 14, 2015, at 1:52 PM, Lyra Silvertongue wrote: > > Hey guys, im just looking for a little advice. I recently did a very short contract for a company with a really unsavory character as its C.O. . Not only was he really unprofessional in his behavior but after the contract was ended and I asked about my last invoice I got complete silence. I have sent a few emails including one with the invoice and have gotten nothing back. Im unsure how to proceed if he wont pay me. I feel like I cant put the word out either as it would only reflect poorly on me as he is well known in the perl world. But because of his behavior I worry that I cant have been the only one this has happened to. Any advice? > _______________________________________________ > SanFrancisco-pm mailing list > SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm From not.com at gmail.com Sun Feb 15 17:44:27 2015 From: not.com at gmail.com (yary) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 20:44:27 -0500 Subject: [sf-perl] [ off topic ] In-Reply-To: <26911DA4-CB08-45F9-BFA9-FBE2D06FBC26@gmail.com> References: <26911DA4-CB08-45F9-BFA9-FBE2D06FBC26@gmail.com> Message-ID: If it gets to 90 days you could report the business to Dun & Bradstreet, make it harder for them to get loans in the future. Seems a more business-like way of getting a feeling of satisfaction. The only non-payment I can think of for my small consulting business was due to the Four Star fraud & bankruptcy, and after a decade or so we got back about 1% of what we were originally owed. Better than nothing. -y On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 1:24 PM, Mike Friedman wrote: > IANAL, but if it's a decent amount of money, you should probably get one. > > Personally, I wouldn't stop at emailing to ask for payment of your > invoice. Phone calls are more forceful and letters through the mail, with > copies that you keep as a record, are even better. Be sure not to threaten > him with disclosure of his activities or you could be in legal trouble for > slander. (Even if you're in the right. The law is very definitely on the > side of the employer in this sort of case.) > > I agree that "outing" him in a public forum probably won't help either > your reputation or get you your money. It'd feel good for a little bit, but > is likely not worth it in the end. > > As with any other contract dispute, a lawyer is going to be your best next > option here. > > I'm sorry this happened to you and even more sorry that our culture today > won't let you give him the public shaming he may deserve. :-( I hope you > can at least get paid, though. > > Best of luck! > -- Michael Friedman > ______________________________ > Michael Friedman > frimicc at gmail.com > > > On Feb 14, 2015, at 1:52 PM, Lyra Silvertongue > wrote: > > > > Hey guys, im just looking for a little advice. I recently did a very > short contract for a company with a really unsavory character as its C.O. > . Not only was he really unprofessional in his behavior but after the > contract was ended and I asked about my last invoice I got complete > silence. I have sent a few emails including one with the invoice and have > gotten nothing back. Im unsure how to proceed if he wont pay me. I feel > like I cant put the word out either as it would only reflect poorly on me > as he is well known in the perl world. But because of his behavior I worry > that I cant have been the only one this has happened to. Any advice? > > _______________________________________________ > > SanFrancisco-pm mailing list > > SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm > _______________________________________________ > SanFrancisco-pm mailing list > SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dean at fragfest.com.au Sun Feb 15 17:47:41 2015 From: dean at fragfest.com.au (Dean Hamstead) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 12:47:41 +1100 Subject: [sf-perl] [ off topic ] In-Reply-To: References: <26911DA4-CB08-45F9-BFA9-FBE2D06FBC26@gmail.com> Message-ID: The benefits of the cloud business model become apparent. No pay? no service. Dean On 2015-02-16 12:44, yary wrote: > If it gets to 90 days you could report the business to Dun & Bradstreet, make it harder for them to get loans in the future. Seems a more business-like way of getting a feeling of satisfaction. > > The only non-payment I can think of for my small consulting business was due to the Four Star fraud & bankruptcy, and after a decade or so we got back about 1% of what we were originally owed. Better than nothing. > > -y > > On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 1:24 PM, Mike Friedman wrote: > >> IANAL, but if it's a decent amount of money, you should probably get one. >> >> Personally, I wouldn't stop at emailing to ask for payment of your invoice. Phone calls are more forceful and letters through the mail, with copies that you keep as a record, are even better. Be sure not to threaten him with disclosure of his activities or you could be in legal trouble for slander. (Even if you're in the right. The law is very definitely on the side of the employer in this sort of case.) >> >> I agree that "outing" him in a public forum probably won't help either your reputation or get you your money. It'd feel good for a little bit, but is likely not worth it in the end. >> >> As with any other contract dispute, a lawyer is going to be your best next option here. >> >> I'm sorry this happened to you and even more sorry that our culture today won't let you give him the public shaming he may deserve. :-( I hope you can at least get paid, though. >> >> Best of luck! >> -- Michael Friedman >> ______________________________ >> Michael Friedman >> frimicc at gmail.com >> >>> On Feb 14, 2015, at 1:52 PM, Lyra Silvertongue wrote: >>> >>> Hey guys, im just looking for a little advice. I recently did a very short contract for a company with a really unsavory character as its C.O. . Not only was he really unprofessional in his behavior but after the contract was ended and I asked about my last invoice I got complete silence. I have sent a few emails including one with the invoice and have gotten nothing back. Im unsure how to proceed if he wont pay me. I feel like I cant put the word out either as it would only reflect poorly on me as he is well known in the perl world. But because of his behavior I worry that I cant have been the only one this has happened to. 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I think I am going to pursue at least two of them. Hopefully it will resolve the issue. It's not a massive amount of money, just enough to make a difference a pay a few bills but it's really a shame and really really not cool that someone so out there could pull something like this. On Monday, February 16, 2015, Dean Hamstead wrote: > The benefits of the cloud business model become apparent. > > No pay? no service. > > > > Dean > > > > > On 2015-02-16 12:44, yary wrote: > > If it gets to 90 days you could report the business to Dun & Bradstreet, > make it harder for them to get loans in the future. Seems a more > business-like way of getting a feeling of satisfaction. > > The only non-payment I can think of for my small consulting business was > due to the Four Star fraud & bankruptcy, and after a decade or so we got > back about 1% of what we were originally owed. Better than nothing. > > -y > > On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 1:24 PM, Mike Friedman > wrote: > >> IANAL, but if it's a decent amount of money, you should probably get one. >> >> Personally, I wouldn't stop at emailing to ask for payment of your >> invoice. Phone calls are more forceful and letters through the mail, with >> copies that you keep as a record, are even better. Be sure not to threaten >> him with disclosure of his activities or you could be in legal trouble for >> slander. (Even if you're in the right. The law is very definitely on the >> side of the employer in this sort of case.) >> >> I agree that "outing" him in a public forum probably won't help either >> your reputation or get you your money. It'd feel good for a little bit, but >> is likely not worth it in the end. >> >> As with any other contract dispute, a lawyer is going to be your best >> next option here. >> >> I'm sorry this happened to you and even more sorry that our culture today >> won't let you give him the public shaming he may deserve. :-( I hope you >> can at least get paid, though. >> >> Best of luck! >> -- Michael Friedman >> ______________________________ >> Michael Friedman >> frimicc at gmail.com >> >> > On Feb 14, 2015, at 1:52 PM, Lyra Silvertongue > > wrote: >> > >> > Hey guys, im just looking for a little advice. I recently did a very >> short contract for a company with a really unsavory character as its C.O. >> . Not only was he really unprofessional in his behavior but after the >> contract was ended and I asked about my last invoice I got complete >> silence. I have sent a few emails including one with the invoice and have >> gotten nothing back. Im unsure how to proceed if he wont pay me. 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They figured you might want to write code like this: sub do_stuff { &check_numerics; &discard_out_of_range; $sum = &total_up; } And just as an aside, I think it's interesting that pretty much none of us want to write code like that, but all of us make use of $_ all the time. Consistency always seems nice in theory, but in practice it seems that different cases are often really different... Anyway, with the newer sub calling syntax, that automatic passing of @_ goes away. Without the &, if that's what you want, you need to say it explicitly: my $result = do_stuff( @_ ); Quinn's question was in dealing with coderefs. He doesn't like arrow deferencing so much: my $result = $code_ref->(); He falls back on the &: my $result = &{ $code_ref }; He was disappointed to hear that was doing something funky with passing @_ around. The detail that I forgot about though, is that if you've got both an & and parenthesis in play, the parenthesis win, and that automatic hand-off of @_ goes away. So these cases, at least, are equivalent: $code_ref->( ); &{ $code_ref }( ); &$code_ref( ); From fred at redhotpenguin.com Wed Feb 25 13:21:15 2015 From: fred at redhotpenguin.com (Fred Moyer) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 13:21:15 -0800 Subject: [sf-perl] Perl programmers - Booking.com is proof that the world is still your oyster Message-ID: Interesting article focused on Booking.com: http://www.techworld.com/careers/perl-developers-dispel-doubts-about-codes-longevity-3599357/ And the hacker news discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9109153 From biztos at mac.com Wed Feb 25 13:26:51 2015 From: biztos at mac.com (Kevin Frost) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 21:26:51 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [sf-perl] =?utf-8?q?_Re=3A__Perl_programmers_-_Booking=2Ecom_is_p?= =?utf-8?q?roof_that_the_world_is=09still_your_oyster?= Message-ID: <6342a691-101d-483a-8bd9-58a46236e668@me.com> I remember Booking.com recruiting Perl people way back at YAPC in Vienna... um... a million years ago. ?Nice to hear they still do Perl after their acquisition. -- f. On Feb 25, 2015, at 10:21 PM, Fred Moyer wrote: Interesting article focused on Booking.com: http://www.techworld.com/careers/perl-developers-dispel-doubts-about-codes-longevity-3599357/ And the hacker news discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9109153 _______________________________________________ SanFrancisco-pm mailing list SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dean at fragfest.com.au Wed Feb 25 14:30:11 2015 From: dean at fragfest.com.au (Dean Hamstead) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 09:30:11 +1100 Subject: [sf-perl] Perl programmers - Booking.com is proof that the world is still your oyster In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1bd91b27eec19af95eff6453539e97db@fragfest.com.au> I blame Slashdot... but to discuss that further would result in a discussion about politics. Dena On 2015-02-26 08:21, Fred Moyer wrote: > Interesting article focused on Booking.com: > > http://www.techworld.com/careers/perl-developers-dispel-doubts-about-codes-longevity-3599357/ > > And the hacker news discussion: > > https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9109153 > _______________________________________________ > SanFrancisco-pm mailing list > SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm From quinn at pgexperts.com Thu Feb 26 12:28:14 2015 From: quinn at pgexperts.com (Quinn Weaver) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 12:28:14 -0800 Subject: [sf-perl] & and @_ In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > On February 24, 2015, at 3:34 PM, Joseph Brenner wrote: > > [?] > First of all, do y'all know what happens if you use the old perl > syntax for calling a sub? > > $result = &do_stuff; > > This takes whatever might happen to be laying around in @_ and > makes it available as @_ inside of do_stuff. > > The idea was that just like $_ works as a kind of singular > pronoun in perl, @_ was supposed to work as a plural pronoun. > They figured you might want to write code like this: > > sub do_stuff { > &check_numerics; > &discard_out_of_range; > $sum = &total_up; > } > > And just as an aside, I think it's interesting that pretty much > none of us want to write code like that, but all of us make use > of $_ all the time. Consistency always seems nice in theory, but > in practice it seems that different cases are often really > different... True! Even if I had known about this idiom, I was passing objects (or calling methods on them), which I suppose is just a different way of passing everything in to the called sub. Anyway, if I wanted to pass @_ I'd do it explicitly, because otherwise &code; looks, to someone unaware of these details, like an invocation with zero args. "Explicit is better than implicit." Oh hey, the Python I'm writing lately must be rubbing off on me. :) > Anyway, with the newer sub calling syntax, that automatic passing > of @_ goes away. Without the &, if that's what you want, > you need to say it explicitly: > > my $result = do_stuff( @_ ); > > Quinn's question was in dealing with coderefs. > He doesn't like arrow deferencing so much: > > my $result = $code_ref->(); > > He falls back on the &: > > my $result = &{ $code_ref }; Actually, I preferred &$coderef($foo, $bar); But I've since accepted that the arrow notation is more widely understood. The reason I liked it, I think, is that back then I always used & to call subroutines, so it seemed consistent. Also, I was accustomed to dereferencing %$hashrefs and @$arrayrefs without brackets (this was before Perl Best Practices). It's weird to think that, while some people hop from language to language, in Perl you can hop from style to style *within the language*. > He was disappointed to hear that was doing something funky with > passing @_ around. > > The detail that I forgot about though, is that if you've got both > an & and parenthesis in play, the parenthesis win, and that automatic > hand-off of @_ goes away. Yeah, using parentheses for everything (except builtin functions) is my convention now (again, PBP). > So these cases, at least, are equivalent: > > $code_ref->( ); > > &{ $code_ref }( ); > &$code_ref( ); Thanks for following up on this! -- Quinn Weaver PostgreSQL Experts, Inc. http://pgexperts.com/ 1-888-743-9778 (my extension: 510) From doomvox at gmail.com Thu Feb 26 19:34:26 2015 From: doomvox at gmail.com (Joseph Brenner) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 19:34:26 -0800 Subject: [sf-perl] & and @_ In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Quinn Weaver wrote: > It's weird to think that, while some people hop from language > to language, in Perl you can hop from style to style *within the language*. Right. And I think it's funny that despite the fact that I try to stick with perl to avoid the faddish language-of-the-month syndrome, I'm still stuck with dealing with fads inside of perl. Like, remember back when I was telling everyone that Module::Build was the next big thing? And how about those Inside-Out objects?