From fred at redhotpenguin.com  Thu Jan 10 11:09:28 2013
From: fred at redhotpenguin.com (Fred Moyer)
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 11:09:28 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] Arriba - PSGI web server with SPDY support
Message-ID: <CAHrynWBmZ_xA5wpz2rEWUFc+kc-r5Wfw=UOxUpbmFpGUjg+OJg@mail.gmail.com>

This looks interesting - https://github.com/odyniec/Arriba

http://blogs.perl.org/users/michal_wojciechowski/2013/01/arriba---psgi-web-server-with-spdy-support.html

From russt at releasetools.org  Mon Jan 14 17:46:16 2013
From: russt at releasetools.org (Russ Tremain)
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 17:46:16 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] javadoc for perl?
Message-ID: <p06240807cd1a6019efa4@[10.0.101.154]>

Is it hopeless?

I used to do a fair amount of java programming, and one of the things 
I miss, when working on OO perl code, is javadoc (especially working 
on someone else's OO perl!).

I don't know why, but pod format seems very unnatural to me for 
documenting OO perl.  It reminds me more of nroff.  I prefer having 
the doc more tightly coupled with methods/packages/functions.

I've looked at some of the output from 
<http://search.cpan.org/~markov/OODoc-2.00/lib/OODoc.pod>OODoc and it 
seems to be headed in the right direction, but is not nearly as nice 
as javadoc. 
<http://perl.overmeer.net/mimetypes/html/jump.cgi?MIME_Types&42>Here 
is some example output.

Thoughts?  Generate psuedo java code from OO perl and run it through 
javadoc maybe?  Probably the other way (generate perl OO from java 
class stubs with doc) would be easier, but I don't think it is 
sellable to a perl development team.

-Russ
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From frimicc at gmail.com  Mon Jan 14 22:04:42 2013
From: frimicc at gmail.com (Mike Friedman)
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 22:04:42 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] javadoc for perl?
In-Reply-To: <p06240807cd1a6019efa4@[10.0.101.154]>
References: <p06240807cd1a6019efa4@[10.0.101.154]>
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Russ,

Is your complaint with POD that it's a weird format, that it doesn't auto-generate POD with method signatures, or that the HTML output looks different?

I have no comment on POD syntax. It is what it is; you get used to it.

I've never liked POD-generating programs, but that's personal preference. There are several modules on CPAN that will generate POD for you, based on either a shorthand or the code itself. 
In my case, I just put POD above each function in the code. You stick a standard header at the top of the file and then document each method in place, such as like this:

=head3 get_model_uri

An accessor (get only) to get the URI for the Model Document for this entry. 

Usage:
    my $model_uri = $entry->get_model_uri();

=cut

I highly recommend using a template for each sub, containing all the information you'll want in the output. When you generate output everything will be in document order, so all the methods will be documented in the right place.

As for HTML output, I've had good luck with Pod::ProjectDocs:  http://search.cpan.org/~lyokato/Pod-ProjectDocs-0.40/

You can have it generate an entire directory recursively and all the links work. Very handy for putting on an intranet.

In any case, you can always write your own POD-like parser, either to generate POD or to generate prettier HTML output. That's a bit of work, but you can get to 50% really quickly, I would expect.

Good luck!
-- Mike
______________________________
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frimicc at gmail.com

On Jan 14, 2013, at 5:46 PM, Russ Tremain <russt at releasetools.org> wrote:

> Is it hopeless?
> 
> I used to do a fair amount of java programming, and one of the things I miss, when working on OO perl code, is javadoc (especially working on someone else's OO perl!).
> 
> I don't know why, but pod format seems very unnatural to me for documenting OO perl.  It reminds me more of nroff.  I prefer having the doc more tightly coupled with methods/packages/functions.
> 
> I've looked at some of the output from OODoc and it seems to be headed in the right direction, but is not nearly as nice as javadoc.  Here is some example output.
> 
> Thoughts?  Generate psuedo java code from OO perl and run it through javadoc maybe?  Probably the other way (generate perl OO from java class stubs with doc) would be easier, but I don't think it is sellable to a perl development team.
> 
> -Russ
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From rdm at cfcl.com  Mon Jan 14 22:20:05 2013
From: rdm at cfcl.com (Rich Morin)
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 22:20:05 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] javadoc for perl?
In-Reply-To: <p06240807cd1a6019efa4@[10.0.101.154]>
References: <p06240807cd1a6019efa4@[10.0.101.154]>
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Doxygen (last time I looked) handled Python in very much this manner:

> Generate pseudo Java code from OO Perl
> and run it through JavaDoc maybe?

However, parsing Perl is famously difficult, so even a surface parse
might be a challenge.  In related news, I'm quite interested in Rich
Hickey's codeq project:

 http://blog.datomic.com/2012/10/codeq.html

It has the potential to be the basis for a polyglot documentation
generation suite, supporting arbitrary queries, follow-on analysis,
etc.  The project is still in its infancy, but if you could create
an "analyzer" (ie, metadata harvester) for Perl, it should be quite
possible to add the results to Codeq's Datomic database schema and
see whether it seems to be a fit.

-r

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From russt at releasetools.org  Tue Jan 15 10:35:31 2013
From: russt at releasetools.org (Russ Tremain)
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 10:35:31 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] javadoc for perl?
In-Reply-To: <02FFB68E-0191-44BA-AA6C-739578BBC51D@gmail.com>
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	<02FFB68E-0191-44BA-AA6C-739578BBC51D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p0624080acd1b408e1727@[10.0.101.154]>

At 10:04 PM -0800 1/14/13, Mike Friedman wrote:
>Russ,
>
>Is your complaint with POD that it's a weird format, that it doesn't 
>auto-generate POD with method signatures, or that the HTML output 
>looks different?

not so much a complaint as a question about how I could create more 
useful documentation, using constructs similar to javadoc.

>I have no comment on POD syntax. It is what it is; you get used to it.

faint praise indeed.  :)

I'm looking at 
<http://search.cpan.org/~darnold/Pod-Classdoc-1.01/lib/Pod/Classdoc.pod>Pod::Classdoc 
by Dean Arnold which seems to have a lot of what I want.. and it 
integrates with Pod-ProjectDocs ...

thanks,
-Russ



>
>I've never liked POD-generating programs, but that's personal 
>preference. There are several modules on CPAN that will generate POD 
>for you, based on either a shorthand or the code itself.
>In my case, I just put POD above each function in the code. You 
>stick a standard header at the top of the file and then document 
>each method in place, such as like this:
>
>=head3 get_model_uri
>
>An accessor (get only) to get the URI for the Model Document for this entry.
>
>Usage:
>     my $model_uri = $entry->get_model_uri();
>
>=cut
>
>I highly recommend using a template for each sub, containing all the 
>information you'll want in the output. When you generate output 
>everything will be in document order, so all the methods will be 
>documented in the right place.
>
>As for HTML output, I've had good luck with Pod::ProjectDocs: 
> <http://search.cpan.org/~lyokato/Pod-ProjectDocs-0.40/>http://search.cpan.org/~lyokato/Pod-ProjectDocs-0.40/
>
>You can have it generate an entire directory recursively and all the 
>links work. Very handy for putting on an intranet.
>
>In any case, you can always write your own POD-like parser, either 
>to generate POD or to generate prettier HTML output. That's a bit of 
>work, but you can get to 50% really quickly, I would expect.
>
>Good luck!
>
>-- Mike
>______________________________
>Michael Friedman
><mailto:frimicc at gmail.com>frimicc at gmail.com
>
>On Jan 14, 2013, at 5:46 PM, Russ Tremain 
><<mailto:russt at releasetools.org>russt at releasetools.org> wrote:
>
>>javadoc for perl?
>>Is it hopeless?
>>
>>I used to do a fair amount of java programming, and one of the 
>>things I miss, when working on OO perl code, is javadoc (especially 
>>working on someone else's OO perl!).
>>
>>I don't know why, but pod format seems very unnatural to me for 
>>documenting OO perl.  It reminds me more of nroff.  I prefer having 
>>the doc more tightly coupled with methods/packages/functions.
>>
>>I've looked at some of the output from 
>><http://search.cpan.org/~markov/OODoc-2.00/lib/OODoc.pod>OODoc and 
>>it seems to be headed in the right direction, but is not nearly as 
>>nice as javadoc. 
>><http://perl.overmeer.net/mimetypes/html/jump.cgi?MIME_Types&42>Here 
>>is some example output.
>>
>>Thoughts?  Generate psuedo java code from OO perl and run it 
>>through javadoc maybe?  Probably the other way (generate perl OO 
>>from java class stubs with doc) would be easier, but I don't think 
>>it is sellable to a perl development team.
>>
>>-Russ
>>
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From frimicc at gmail.com  Thu Jan 17 01:27:22 2013
From: frimicc at gmail.com (Mike Friedman)
Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 01:27:22 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] Perl & Unicode slides from OSCON 2011?
Message-ID: <35424070-798D-4DBC-91B9-DB3FFF074947@gmail.com>

Help!

I had an excuse to go looking for Tom Christiansen's slides from his Perl/Unicode talks at OSCON 2011... and they seem to have been removed from the net. I can find links to where they should be here, http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=916547 , but http://training.perl.com doesn't resolve any more.

Does anyone happen to have a copy of these slides that they can share? 

(Even the Wayback Machine doesn't have them, since his site was redirecting to an IP address that wasn't archived.)

Moral: things do disappear from the Web once in a while, so it's still worth saving a local copy of something you will want later. *sigh*

Thanks!
-- Mike
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From tomeliaz at gmail.com  Thu Jan 17 12:21:17 2013
From: tomeliaz at gmail.com (Tom Eliaz)
Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 12:21:17 -0800
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Hi Mike,

I think I found the the google cache, if that's helpful.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:JGtOg_29WmwJ:98.245.80.27/tcpc/OSCON2011/pue.html+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

-Tom


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From doomvox at gmail.com  Thu Jan 17 13:19:35 2013
From: doomvox at gmail.com (Joseph Brenner)
Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 13:19:35 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] Perl & Unicode slides from OSCON 2011?
Message-ID: <CAFfgvXWx09Bb4OYaECAQQKpeGqJ_vaxLJLe1satnvTefUcXRcg@mail.gmail.com>

I screwed up on sending this to the list... (I really need to quit
using gmail...).

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From: Joseph Brenner <doomvox at gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: [sf-perl] Perl & Unicode slides from OSCON 2011?
To: Michael Friedman <frimicc at gmail.com>

Michael Friedman <frimicc at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm doing a presentation on XML & Perl tonight

Ah right.  I've been meaning to mention here that the Silicon Valley
Perl group has been doing some good talks of late... I haven't made it
to one yet, though, and I'm going to have to miss this one, too:

   Ihttp://www.meetup.com/SVPerl/events/95560432/

> and I had been planning to use his slides comparing the Unicode support in various versions of Perl and  other languages to show how Perl can be great at that sort of thing.

Here's a blog where someone quoted tchrist on the subject:

   http://bytescrolls.blogspot.com/2012/12/unicode-features-in-various-languages.html

I haven't done any interlanguage comparisons yet, myself, but
Christiansen argues persuasively that unicode handling may be perl's
killer-app at the moment.

From frimicc at gmail.com  Thu Jan 17 13:20:48 2013
From: frimicc at gmail.com (Michael Friedman)
Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 13:20:48 -0800
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Thanks, Tom!

From that hint, it looks like the docs are still in the Google Cache. Who'd have thought Google Cache would be more complete than the Web Archive?

Perl Unicode Essentials:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:JGtOg_29WmwJ:98.245.80.27/tcpc/OSCON2011/pue.html+http://training.perl.com/OSCON2011/pue.html&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Unicode: Good, Bad, & Ugly:
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=http%3A%2F%2Ftraining.perl.com%2Foscon2011%2Findex.html&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CEYQxQEwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fviewer%3Fa%3Dv%26q%3Dcache%3AdC0ZjuiF7igJ%3A98.245.80.27%2Ftcpc%2FOSCON2011%2Fgbu.pdf%2Bhttp%3A%2F%2Ftraining.perl.com%2FOSCON2011%2Findex.html%26hl%3Den%26gl%3Dus%26pid%3Dbl%26srcid%3DADGEESjqXW4u0lQpIFbECp96TlrG_hbfOHjKDvIDLVu_yH_pbnOT9YWuAxaIGlZF1OVP7_1caG3hi04H7dUtx9byz61SF4n11qOkLxbf6oCSziXKCEG8NIUQ5yi5leXSzFG7XvxkAETH%26sig%3DAHIEtbRC5u9bVQrubx-TEapgfCqMok3CKA&ei=1Gr4UNmhEMXxigLN2IDABw&usg=AFQjCNEX1JHoJ2gRCx5aJIp8hC1EN3W4Vg&bvm=bv.41248874,d.cGE


Plus the exact table that I was looking for seems to have been copied out by blogger Haris A.L:
http://bytescrolls.blogspot.com/2012/12/unicode-features-in-various-languages.html

Now I have local saved copies for next time. *whew*

-- Mike

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> Hi Mike,
> 
> I think I found the the google cache, if that's helpful.
> 
> http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:JGtOg_29WmwJ:98.245.80.27/tcpc/OSCON2011/pue.html+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
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> -Tom
> 
> 
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> 
> Does anyone happen to have a copy of these slides that they can share?
> 
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> 
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From fobispo at isc.org  Thu Jan 17 13:21:28 2013
From: fobispo at isc.org (Francisco Obispo)
Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 13:21:28 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] Perl & Unicode slides from OSCON 2011?
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On Jan 17, 2013, at 1:19 PM, Joseph Brenner <doomvox at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>> I'm doing a presentation on XML & Perl tonight


Can you share the slides?

> 

Francisco Obispo 
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From frimicc at gmail.com  Thu Jan 17 13:38:14 2013
From: frimicc at gmail.com (Michael Friedman)
Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 13:38:14 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] Perl & Unicode slides from OSCON 2011?
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You're all welcome to come down to our sister group, SVPerl, tonight for the talk, as well. RSVP at Meetup.com: http://www.meetup.com/SVPerl/events/95560432/

It's going to be an overview of how to handle XML data using Perl tools. I don't plan on going into too much detail, but there are a handful of example files that we'll probably have time to discuss. You can look at those on my GitHub account: https://github.com/frimicc/medline-metadata

The slides won't be all that useful without my presenter's notes, but I'll see if I can export them in a useful format. I wrote (and will conduct) the presentation entirely from Keynote on my iPad, so the export options aren't as full-fledged as I'd like. Whatever I can get out will be posted at SVPerl.org in a few days, I think.

If anyone wants a copy of the original Keynote file, I can send that along, though. Send me a private email.

-- Mike

On Jan 17, 2013, at 1:21 PM, Francisco Obispo <fobispo at isc.org> wrote:

> 
> On Jan 17, 2013, at 1:19 PM, Joseph Brenner <doomvox at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> I'm doing a presentation on XML & Perl tonight
> 
> 
> Can you share the slides?
> 
>> 
> 
> Francisco Obispo 
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From doom at kzsu.stanford.edu  Mon Jan 21 15:52:58 2013
From: doom at kzsu.stanford.edu (Joseph Brenner)
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 15:52:58 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] Naan-n-Curry tomorrow night:?
Message-ID: <CAFfgvXUaG=A9Gp+N=Ob6i9Nm5vwOZUyxCWFxCfGTbZGbYErA4A@mail.gmail.com>

Anyone up for Indian Food?  Time for a trip to Naan-n-Curry, I think,
7pm Tuesday night:

   https://maps.google.com/maps?q=336+O%27Farrell+Street,+San+Francisco,+CA

This is an easy walk from the Powell Street BART station, up Powell,
left on O'Farrell, and the place is on your right, right after Taylor.

On street parking is usually available within a few blocks, if you're
adventurous.  There are a number of parking garages as well.  It's not
far from the massive 5th and Mission garage.

From hartzell at alerce.com  Mon Jan 21 16:00:55 2013
From: hartzell at alerce.com (George Hartzell)
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 16:00:55 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] Naan-n-Curry tomorrow night:?
In-Reply-To: <CAFfgvXUaG=A9Gp+N=Ob6i9Nm5vwOZUyxCWFxCfGTbZGbYErA4A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFfgvXUaG=A9Gp+N=Ob6i9Nm5vwOZUyxCWFxCfGTbZGbYErA4A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20733.54967.125533.969360@gargle.gargle.HOWL>

Joseph Brenner writes:
 > Anyone up for Indian Food?  Time for a trip to Naan-n-Curry, I think,
 > 7pm Tuesday night:
 > 
 >    https://maps.google.com/maps?q=336+O%27Farrell+Street,+San+Francisco,+CA
 > 
 > This is an easy walk from the Powell Street BART station, up Powell,
 > left on O'Farrell, and the place is on your right, right after Taylor.
 > 
 > On street parking is usually available within a few blocks, if you're
 > adventurous.  There are a number of parking garages as well.  It's not
 > far from the massive 5th and Mission garage.

I can't make it.  Thanks for organizing though.

g


From doomvox at gmail.com  Mon Jan 21 16:01:02 2013
From: doomvox at gmail.com (Joseph Brenner)
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 16:01:02 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] Fwd: Naan-n-Curry tomorrow night:?
In-Reply-To: <CAFfgvXUaG=A9Gp+N=Ob6i9Nm5vwOZUyxCWFxCfGTbZGbYErA4A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFfgvXUaG=A9Gp+N=Ob6i9Nm5vwOZUyxCWFxCfGTbZGbYErA4A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFfgvXVb8BBbjH_q2yLafGypWSSAq11eQqOAoSQSjHj_PYap6w@mail.gmail.com>

Okay, posted to meetup as well:

  http://www.meetup.com/San-Francisco-Perl-Mongers/events/100736192/

RSVPs aren't critical of course-- one of the nice things about
Naan-n-Curry is there's plenty of space and no reservations needed,
but they're helpful for other people, in any case.


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Joseph Brenner <doom at kzsu.stanford.edu>
Date: Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 3:52 PM
Subject: Naan-n-Curry tomorrow night:?
To: sanfrancisco-pm at pm.org


Anyone up for Indian Food?  Time for a trip to Naan-n-Curry, I think,
7pm Tuesday night:

   https://maps.google.com/maps?q=336+O%27Farrell+Street,+San+Francisco,+CA

This is an easy walk from the Powell Street BART station, up Powell,
left on O'Farrell, and the place is on your right, right after Taylor.

On street parking is usually available within a few blocks, if you're
adventurous.  There are a number of parking garages as well.  It's not
far from the massive 5th and Mission garage.

From perltoolsmith at gmail.com  Tue Jan 22 05:33:25 2013
From: perltoolsmith at gmail.com (Perl Job)
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 00:33:25 +1100
Subject: [sf-perl] Anyone in need of a Perl telecommuter?
Message-ID: <CADK7K7sQQoq_ozJQc=YwWULk7uuiKnDOUxA1JQ6mQirDC934xA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everybody,

I'm in the market for a new job. I live and breath Perl, and want to
continue doing so. I don't live in San Francisco, but I thought I would try
posting here first because this is where all the action is!

I have around 10 years experience with Perl, with a focus toward the
backend of the stack (Linux) and would choose MySQL over PostgreSQL in a
knife fight.

If anyone is interesting in bringing a proven Perl telecommuter on board
and wants more information about me, feel free to contact me off the list.

Thanks,

Perl Toolsmith
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From hartzell at alerce.com  Tue Jan 22 14:58:36 2013
From: hartzell at alerce.com (George Hartzell)
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 14:58:36 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] Do you have a tidy style?  Emacs/cperl and perltidy.
Message-ID: <20735.6556.244602.7763@gargle.gargle.HOWL>


I'm New Years cleaning, updating my emacs versions and configurations,
learning a bit about newer tools, etc....

I've been coding in emacs using cperl mode for a while.  I tend to use
a pretty vanilla coding style, I keep it consistent and it's
nice-and-lazy to use cperl's defaults.  It looks good enough.

I'd like to start using perltidy.

[Part of this interest has come from following the go list and their
 use of gofmt.]

In particular I'd like to acquire/develop a perltidy config and a set
of cperl settings + finger habits (e.g. do/don't kick a brace onto a
newline when editing) that match each other.  Code that I'm writing
should come out pretty tidy and code that's tidy shouldn't stress out
my emacs session.

Does anyone in monger-land have any perltidy.rc files and/or cperl
configs that they'd like to share?  Paired would be great, but
interesting/practical examples of one or the other would be good
reading too.

Thanks,

g.

From frimicc at gmail.com  Tue Jan 22 15:21:03 2013
From: frimicc at gmail.com (Michael Friedman)
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 15:21:03 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] Do you have a tidy style?  Emacs/cperl and perltidy.
In-Reply-To: <20735.6556.244602.7763@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
References: <20735.6556.244602.7763@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
Message-ID: <4FDB5A88-68C4-49E8-9266-738868330D69@gmail.com>

I used the .perltidyrc from _Perl Best Practices_. It's pretty good and a reasonable "standard" that most people at least know about. 

http://puzlhed.net/2009/11/16/perltidy_rc_from_Best_Practices.html

You'll get discussion of all kinds about how to tidy your code, but coming up with a set of perltidy rules you can agree on is a huge bonus to a shop. In my old job, we used those perltidy rules as "neutral ground" to start the discussion and ended up sticking with them because, well, they were at least *a* published standard. 

-- Mike

(I use Vim, so I can't help with cperl, but I'm sure there's a php mode for it too.)

On Jan 22, 2013, at 2:58 PM, George Hartzell <hartzell at alerce.com> wrote:

> 
> I'm New Years cleaning, updating my emacs versions and configurations,
> learning a bit about newer tools, etc....
> 
> I've been coding in emacs using cperl mode for a while.  I tend to use
> a pretty vanilla coding style, I keep it consistent and it's
> nice-and-lazy to use cperl's defaults.  It looks good enough.
> 
> I'd like to start using perltidy.
> 
> [Part of this interest has come from following the go list and their
> use of gofmt.]
> 
> In particular I'd like to acquire/develop a perltidy config and a set
> of cperl settings + finger habits (e.g. do/don't kick a brace onto a
> newline when editing) that match each other.  Code that I'm writing
> should come out pretty tidy and code that's tidy shouldn't stress out
> my emacs session.
> 
> Does anyone in monger-land have any perltidy.rc files and/or cperl
> configs that they'd like to share?  Paired would be great, but
> interesting/practical examples of one or the other would be good
> reading too.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> g.
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> SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org
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From hartzell at alerce.com  Tue Jan 22 15:33:13 2013
From: hartzell at alerce.com (George Hartzell)
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 15:33:13 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] Do you have a tidy style?  Emacs/cperl and perltidy.
In-Reply-To: <20735.6556.244602.7763@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
References: <20735.6556.244602.7763@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
Message-ID: <20735.8633.404856.716247@gargle.gargle.HOWL>

George Hartzell writes:
 > 
 > [...]
 > Does anyone in monger-land have any perltidy.rc files and/or cperl
 > configs that they'd like to share?  Paired would be great, but
 > interesting/practical examples of one or the other would be good
 > reading too.

ps.  I'm not particularly itching to get into an argument, or even a
discussion, about The Right Way To Do It.  I've been down that road
plenty of times.

I move that we don't dogpile on anyone's favorite layout....

Broadening my mind about how other folks do it seems worthwhile
though, and any headstarts on getting the pair to line up will keep me
lazy.

Thanks again,

g.

From fred at redhotpenguin.com  Tue Jan 22 15:39:09 2013
From: fred at redhotpenguin.com (Fred Moyer)
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 15:39:09 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] Do you have a tidy style? Emacs/cperl and perltidy.
In-Reply-To: <20735.6556.244602.7763@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
References: <20735.6556.244602.7763@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
Message-ID: <CAHrynWBbGQS2SZNbTF8GN=NkkZO9hVUnXK7_qOG_xWj7qhZexQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 2:58 PM, George Hartzell <hartzell at alerce.com> wrote:
> Does anyone in monger-land have any perltidy.rc files and/or cperl
> configs that they'd like to share?  Paired would be great, but
> interesting/practical examples of one or the other would be good
> reading too.

For cperl config, I use our own Joe Brenner's awesome Perlnow
extension, along with a few other additions such as autocomplete. I
posted my emacs dir files to github a while ago -
https://github.com/redhotpenguin/emacs

For Perltidy, I use the stock .perltidyrc that comes with Perl::Tidy.
The nice thing about the default file is that while nobody else on
your team may agree with the settings, you can save time arguing with
them about why certain settings are better than others. Life is so
much easier when everyone just uses the default .perltidyrc! When
you're working on your own code, customize it to your heart's content,
but when on a team, save everyone a lot of headache, arguments, fire
and brimstone, and make a few concessions to the default so everyone
can go back to writing code.

From swartz at pobox.com  Tue Jan 22 15:46:04 2013
From: swartz at pobox.com (Jonathan Swartz)
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 15:46:04 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] Do you have a tidy style?  Emacs/cperl and perltidy.
In-Reply-To: <20735.8633.404856.716247@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
References: <20735.6556.244602.7763@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
	<20735.8633.404856.716247@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
Message-ID: <22BCA322-DED8-4728-BBDA-6D7FD7629849@pobox.com>

Being a frequent user of both emacs and perltidy, I heartily recommend you have an easy keystroke (like ctrl-t) that will perltidy your current buffer. Any small differences between cperl and perltidy won't matter as long as it's easy to perltidy.

Also, shameless plug, https://metacpan.org/module/tidyall has some ways to automate tidying and critiquing in different contexts.

On Jan 22, 2013, at 3:33 PM, George Hartzell <hartzell at alerce.com> wrote:

> George Hartzell writes:
>> 
>> [...]
>> Does anyone in monger-land have any perltidy.rc files and/or cperl
>> configs that they'd like to share?  Paired would be great, but
>> interesting/practical examples of one or the other would be good
>> reading too.
> 
> ps.  I'm not particularly itching to get into an argument, or even a
> discussion, about The Right Way To Do It.  I've been down that road
> plenty of times.
> 
> I move that we don't dogpile on anyone's favorite layout....
> 
> Broadening my mind about how other folks do it seems worthwhile
> though, and any headstarts on getting the pair to line up will keep me
> lazy.
> 
> Thanks again,
> 
> g.
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> SanFrancisco-pm mailing list
> SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm


From doom at kzsu.stanford.edu  Wed Jan 23 12:08:10 2013
From: doom at kzsu.stanford.edu (Joseph Brenner)
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 12:08:10 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] Do you have a tidy style? Emacs/cperl and perltidy.
In-Reply-To: <20735.6556.244602.7763@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
References: <20735.6556.244602.7763@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
Message-ID: <CAFfgvXV3GZ59CFnoy9L3YAxUMbprYo-8QCsNCau65R4FhWBpOQ@mail.gmail.com>

 George Hartzell <hartzell at alerce.com> wrote:
> In particular I'd like to acquire/develop a perltidy config and a set
> of cperl settings + finger habits (e.g. do/don't kick a brace onto a
> newline when editing) that match each other.

There are some funky features in that direction built into cperl-mode,
though they're off by default.   Have you ever tried running it with
(setq cperl-hairy t)?

(I kind of hate it, myself, I'd rather be in charge of when my closing
braces get entered.  Doing it automatically might be more efficient
for typing raw code, but we spend most of our time editing existing
code.)

From doomvox at gmail.com  Wed Jan 23 12:14:27 2013
From: doomvox at gmail.com (Joseph Brenner)
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 12:14:27 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] Do you have a tidy style? Emacs/cperl and perltidy.
In-Reply-To: <22BCA322-DED8-4728-BBDA-6D7FD7629849@pobox.com>
References: <20735.6556.244602.7763@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
	<20735.8633.404856.716247@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
	<22BCA322-DED8-4728-BBDA-6D7FD7629849@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <CAFfgvXWQ+UkKfbbNTU=Jr7vbVuBvcFBBM+hcPPwFEOYrrG3KLQ@mail.gmail.com>

Jonathan Swartz <swartz at pobox.com> wrote:
> Being a frequent user of both emacs and perltidy, I heartily recommend you have an easy keystroke (like ctrl-t) that will perltidy your current buffer.

Yeah, I stuck one of these in perlnow.el-- I would guess it's
something everyone does, in one way or another:

(defun perlnow-run-perltidy-on-region (start end)
  "Format the region using perltidy."
  (interactive "r")
  (let ( (command
          (format "perltidy --standard-output --standard-error-output"
                  )) )
    (shell-command-on-region start end command nil t "*error*")
    ))

Running perltidy on just the current region can have problems though
(perltidy can't get the whole context), and it might make more sense
to just run on the whole buffer as Jonathan suggests.

> Also, shameless plug, https://metacpan.org/module/tidyall has some ways to automate tidying and critiquing in different contexts.

I was going to plug that if you didn't... switching your configuration
for different projects is an obvious need, and this is a good way of
doing it.

From doomvox at gmail.com  Wed Jan 23 12:35:20 2013
From: doomvox at gmail.com (Joseph Brenner)
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 12:35:20 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] Do you have a tidy style? Emacs/cperl and perltidy.
In-Reply-To: <20735.6556.244602.7763@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
References: <20735.6556.244602.7763@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
Message-ID: <CAFfgvXUQcv64S5cOUP+16jQVtr3+ubWe+B175Yo3ww0fGaWuGQ@mail.gmail.com>

To literally answer the question about what I tend to do:

I find that cperl-mode does a good enough job of handling layout that
I don't often resort to perltidy (though I've noticed that perltidy's
default does a better job of laying out things in columns).   I just
use the perltidy defaults usually (though I'll have to try the -pbp
option).

My own typing habits these days are pretty close to what Conway lays
out in Perl Best Practices....   I  use a lot of whitespace and
braces, like:

  foreach my $item ( @{ $items } ) {

Instead of

  foreach my $item (@$items) {

(I find that most other perl programmer's find this style a little
peculiar, but it doesn't really bother them.)

As I mentioned, I don't really like cperl-mode with cperl-hairy
flipped on, but people shoulder-surfing while I type code have
commented that I apparently do things *like* it unconsciously.
If I open a block, I include a closing brace for the block.

I suspect I do things like this to keep the syntax coloring from doing
distracting things: if you open a quoted-string, it's better to have
it closed immediately, even before you decide what's going in the
string.

From david at fetter.org  Wed Jan 23 13:13:52 2013
From: david at fetter.org (David Fetter)
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 13:13:52 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] Do you have a tidy style? Emacs/cperl and perltidy.
In-Reply-To: <CAHrynWBbGQS2SZNbTF8GN=NkkZO9hVUnXK7_qOG_xWj7qhZexQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20735.6556.244602.7763@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
	<CAHrynWBbGQS2SZNbTF8GN=NkkZO9hVUnXK7_qOG_xWj7qhZexQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20130123211352.GF2432@fetter.org>

On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 03:39:09PM -0800, Fred Moyer wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 2:58 PM, George Hartzell <hartzell at alerce.com> wrote:
> > Does anyone in monger-land have any perltidy.rc files and/or cperl
> > configs that they'd like to share?  Paired would be great, but
> > interesting/practical examples of one or the other would be good
> > reading too.
> 
> For cperl config, I use our own Joe Brenner's awesome Perlnow
> extension, along with a few other additions such as autocomplete. I
> posted my emacs dir files to github a while ago -
> https://github.com/redhotpenguin/emacs
> 
> For Perltidy, I use the stock .perltidyrc that comes with Perl::Tidy.
> The nice thing about the default file is that while nobody else on
> your team may agree with the settings, you can save time arguing with
> them about why certain settings are better than others. Life is so
> much easier when everyone just uses the default .perltidyrc! When
> you're working on your own code, customize it to your heart's content,
> but when on a team, save everyone a lot of headache, arguments, fire
> and brimstone, and make a few concessions to the default so everyone
> can go back to writing code.

But you'd actually get stuff delivered, and eventually the team would
split up move onto other things!  Whatever happened to being a team
player?!? ;)

Cheers,
David.
-- 
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From doom at kzsu.stanford.edu  Wed Jan 23 13:28:27 2013
From: doom at kzsu.stanford.edu (Joseph Brenner)
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 13:28:27 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] unicode euro symbol(s)
Message-ID: <CAFfgvXVRUuRzPdZStVhBtErgHRVSk0MMd9osnVmxXntCvZc6rQ@mail.gmail.com>

Follow-up to a question at dinner last night...

I was geeking out about unicode trivia again, and brought up
one of my favorite ones: they originally got the symbol for
the Euro wrong somehow.  Had Larry Wall been in charge, they
would no doubt have bent their principles and changed the
already published reference implementation... this being a
standards body, they left the mistake in place, and burned
another code point to fix it:

The wrong euro:
  http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/20a0/index.htm

The right one:
  http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/20ac/index.htm

From hartzell at alerce.com  Wed Jan 23 15:45:56 2013
From: hartzell at alerce.com (George Hartzell)
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 15:45:56 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] Do you have a tidy style? Emacs/cperl and perltidy.
In-Reply-To: <CAFfgvXV3GZ59CFnoy9L3YAxUMbprYo-8QCsNCau65R4FhWBpOQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20735.6556.244602.7763@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
	<CAFfgvXV3GZ59CFnoy9L3YAxUMbprYo-8QCsNCau65R4FhWBpOQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20736.30260.554752.247610@gargle.gargle.HOWL>

Joseph Brenner writes:
 >  George Hartzell <hartzell at alerce.com> wrote:
 > > In particular I'd like to acquire/develop a perltidy config and a set
 > > of cperl settings + finger habits (e.g. do/don't kick a brace onto a
 > > newline when editing) that match each other.
 > 
 > There are some funky features in that direction built into cperl-mode,
 > though they're off by default.   Have you ever tried running it with
 > (setq cperl-hairy t)?
 > 
 > (I kind of hate it, myself, I'd rather be in charge of when my closing
 > braces get entered.  Doing it automatically might be more efficient
 > for typing raw code, but we spend most of our time editing existing
 > code.)

I agree with you, that's what I was trying to say about the finger
habits.  Most of what I want out of cperl mode is indenting and font
lock, both of which I use as a hint that there's a syntax problem
somewhere nearby.  Things like whether to cuddle elses (is this an
adult oriented list?) and where braces go are all on me (and soon on
perltidy...).

g.

From doherty at cs.dal.ca  Thu Jan 24 07:02:56 2013
From: doherty at cs.dal.ca (Mike Doherty)
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 11:02:56 -0400
Subject: [sf-perl] [meetup] Visiting SF Feb 24-28
Message-ID: <51014D20.2060903@cs.dal.ca>

Hi all,

My name's Mike Doherty. I work at Pythian, a database services company 
with HQ in Ottawa (Canada). Our in-house development team mostly uses Perl.

I'll be visiting San Francisco next month, and I'm thinking about moving 
to the area. If you guys have a meetup planned during my stay, I'd love 
to drop in.

If not, maybe we can set something up? I'm definitely interested in 
getting advice on jobs in the bay area, and moving (I'll be coming from 
Canada, can't just show up unannounced!) so maybe dinner and drinks? Or 
if you want to talk shop, that'd be fun too. I could put together 
something to present if you want.

Thanks,
-Mike

From clp302 at poda.net  Thu Jan 24 09:49:11 2013
From: clp302 at poda.net (C Poda)
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 09:49:11 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] Some links for job hunting ... Re: [meetup] Visiting SF
 Feb 24-28
In-Reply-To: <51014D20.2060903@cs.dal.ca>
References: <51014D20.2060903@cs.dal.ca>
Message-ID: <op.wrffr9jss7zp99@batbug.klab.local>

Hi,

See this page of job hunting links (for local & otherwise)
posted last August at the Silicon Valley Perl web site,
which is several miles South of SF:

   http://www.svperl.org/twiki/bin/view/SVPerl/JobHuntingResourceList

Thanks & enjoy your trip.
C. Poda




On Thu, 24 Jan 2013 07:02:56 -0800, Mike Doherty <doherty at cs.dal.ca> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> My name's Mike Doherty. I work at Pythian, a database services company  
> with HQ in Ottawa (Canada). Our in-house development team mostly uses  
> Perl.
>
> I'll be visiting San Francisco next month, and I'm thinking about moving  
> to the area. If you guys have a meetup planned during my stay, I'd love  
> to drop in.
>
> If not, maybe we can set something up? I'm definitely interested in  
> getting advice on jobs in the bay area, and moving (I'll be coming from  
> Canada, can't just show up unannounced!) so maybe dinner and drinks? Or  
> if you want to talk shop, that'd be fun too. I could put together  
> something to present if you want.
>
> Thanks,
> -Mike
> _______________________________________________
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From fred at redhotpenguin.com  Thu Jan 24 10:38:58 2013
From: fred at redhotpenguin.com (Fred Moyer)
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 10:38:58 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] [meetup] Visiting SF Feb 24-28
In-Reply-To: <CAFfgvXXT+FQP4_TDE7mTzwx_xBcpuux-eM+Euny2ToqDTcH8DQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <51014D20.2060903@cs.dal.ca>
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Small correction, the February date will be the 19th, not the 16th.
Maybe we could do a 'module show and tell' meeting?

On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Joseph Brenner <doomvox at gmail.com> wrote:
> Text::UpsideDown!  We *need* to hear a talk about Text::UpsideDown!
>
> When are you thinking about being in SF?  We usually do meetings on
> the fourth Tuesdays (Feb 16, Mar 26).
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 7:02 AM, Mike Doherty <doherty at cs.dal.ca> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> My name's Mike Doherty. I work at Pythian, a database services company with
>> HQ in Ottawa (Canada). Our in-house development team mostly uses Perl.
>>
>> I'll be visiting San Francisco next month, and I'm thinking about moving to
>> the area. If you guys have a meetup planned during my stay, I'd love to drop
>> in.
>>
>> If not, maybe we can set something up? I'm definitely interested in getting
>> advice on jobs in the bay area, and moving (I'll be coming from Canada,
>> can't just show up unannounced!) so maybe dinner and drinks? Or if you want
>> to talk shop, that'd be fun too. I could put together something to present
>> if you want.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> -Mike
>> _______________________________________________
>> SanFrancisco-pm mailing list
>> SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm

From rdm at cfcl.com  Thu Jan 24 10:48:37 2013
From: rdm at cfcl.com (Rich Morin)
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 10:48:37 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] [meetup] Visiting SF Feb 24-28
In-Reply-To: <51014D20.2060903@cs.dal.ca>
References: <51014D20.2060903@cs.dal.ca>
Message-ID: <26DB348B-5BFE-46E8-9A32-0B74D2F19770@cfcl.com>

On Jan 24, 2013, at 07:02, Mike Doherty wrote:
> If not, maybe we can set something up? I'm definitely interested in getting advice
> on jobs in the bay area, and moving (I'll be coming from Canada, can't just show up
> unannounced!) so maybe dinner and drinks? Or if you want to talk shop, that'd be
> fun too.  I could put together something to present if you want.

IIRC, Joe Brenner is the person who handles programs, but CC Fred Moyer just in case.
To set up a talk, they'll need some specific information, eg:

  *  abstract
  *  brief bio
  *  desired date(s)

If you just want to have an open dinner for Perlies, all you have to do is tell us
when you want to do it and (perhaps) ask for suggestions on locations.  If you like
Fajitas and such, Chevys (3rd St. and Howard) can handle any crowd we might get.
Putting gatherings near a BART station is always a Good Idea.


Speaking of which, give some thought to where you'll be staying and how you'll be
getting around once you're here.  In SF, a car is mostly a nuisance; outside of the
City, it's a requirement for most of us.  One suggestion is to get a hotel room in
the suburbs near a BART station.  That will let you use either a car or BART.  If
you stay in SF, look into ZipCars, etc.

-r

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From rdm at cfcl.com  Thu Jan 24 11:16:30 2013
From: rdm at cfcl.com (Rich Morin)
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 11:16:30 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] [meetup] Visiting SF Feb 24-28
In-Reply-To: <51014D20.2060903@cs.dal.ca>
References: <51014D20.2060903@cs.dal.ca>
Message-ID: <BBFBF6C8-B7B4-4ADA-922B-F83D3B4FD6BB@cfcl.com>

If you're interested in going to other meetings, check out Meetup.com;
most of the local technical groups are listed there.  For example, try
a search for "database" within a 100 mile radius of SF:

  http://www.meetup.com/find/?keywords=database&country=us&zip=94109&radius=100


FYI, the SFPUG meetings tend to occur on the 4th Tuesday of the month, so 2/26
looks like an obvious fit.  That said, Perlies are flexible (TMTOWTDI :-), so
feel free to suggest a different day.  If you want to increase your chances of
chatting with folks, you could propose a pre- or post-meeting get-together (eg,
dinner nearby from 5:30-6:30, beer afterward from 8:30-?:??).

-r

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From doherty at cs.dal.ca  Thu Jan 24 11:26:12 2013
From: doherty at cs.dal.ca (Mike Doherty)
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 15:26:12 -0400
Subject: [sf-perl] [meetup] Visiting SF Feb 24-28
In-Reply-To: <BBFBF6C8-B7B4-4ADA-922B-F83D3B4FD6BB@cfcl.com>
References: <51014D20.2060903@cs.dal.ca>
	<BBFBF6C8-B7B4-4ADA-922B-F83D3B4FD6BB@cfcl.com>
Message-ID: <51018AD4.8090304@cs.dal.ca>

On 13-01-24 03:16 PM, Rich Morin wrote:
> FYI, the SFPUG meetings tend to occur on the 4th Tuesday of the month, so 2/26
> looks like an obvious fit.  That said, Perlies are flexible (TMTOWTDI :-), so
> feel free to suggest a different day.  If you want to increase your chances of
> chatting with folks, you could propose a pre- or post-meeting get-together (eg,
> dinner nearby from 5:30-6:30, beer afterward from 8:30-?:??).

The 26th sounds perfect and dinner beforehand to chat would be great. I 
hear SF is a great city for good food, and I'm looking forward to giving 
it a test drive. You had suggested Chevys at 3rd & Howard -- I'm 
definitely on board for that!

Should I be putting up a notice on meetup.com, or does sf.pm organize 
mainly on the mailing list?

-Mike


From rdm at cfcl.com  Thu Jan 24 11:40:06 2013
From: rdm at cfcl.com (Rich Morin)
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 11:40:06 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] [meetup] Visiting SF Feb 24-28
In-Reply-To: <51018AD4.8090304@cs.dal.ca>
References: <51014D20.2060903@cs.dal.ca>
	<BBFBF6C8-B7B4-4ADA-922B-F83D3B4FD6BB@cfcl.com>
	<51018AD4.8090304@cs.dal.ca>
Message-ID: <862DFB42-F6A8-447A-AF6E-63B9B1528EF3@cfcl.com>

On Jan 24, 2013, at 11:26, Mike Doherty wrote:
> The 26th sounds perfect and dinner beforehand to chat would be great.  I hear
> SF is a great city for good food, and I'm looking forward to giving it a test
> drive. You had suggested Chevys at 3rd & Howard -- I'm definitely on board
> for that!
> 
> Should I be putting up a notice on meetup.com, or does sf.pm organize mainly
> on the mailing list?


At this point, you should go off-list and make sure that Joe (or whoever) can
find a venue, etc.  Once that is in place, we can come up with a restaurant
in the vicinity (which may not be near Chevys :-).

SF has lots of restaurants (~1K) and many of them are very good.  Vicki and I
tend to frequent the neighborhood restaurants (eg, Pasquales on Irving), as
opposed to the strongly hyped tourist places.  Unfortunately, most meetings
are held "downtown", so the choices are limited to more commercial places.

Don't worry, though; we can surely find a nice place to eat!  Contact me off-
list if you want help with that.

-r

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From doomvox at gmail.com  Thu Jan 24 12:35:48 2013
From: doomvox at gmail.com (Joseph Brenner)
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 12:35:48 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] [meetup] Visiting SF Feb 24-28
In-Reply-To: <CAHrynWBVAFOViUCQjDJ5=Ptb-Yqv_Qswp6Drr1s_X414F_KsZg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <51014D20.2060903@cs.dal.ca>
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Um, I think we're both wrong, it's Feb 26 isn't it?

Fred Moyer <fred at redhotpenguin.com> wrote:
> Small correction, the February date will be the 19th, not the 16th.
> Maybe we could do a 'module show and tell' meeting?
>
> On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Joseph Brenner <doomvox at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Text::UpsideDown!  We *need* to hear a talk about Text::UpsideDown!
>>
>> When are you thinking about being in SF?  We usually do meetings on
>> the fourth Tuesdays (Feb 16, Mar 26).
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 7:02 AM, Mike Doherty <doherty at cs.dal.ca> wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> My name's Mike Doherty. I work at Pythian, a database services company with
>>> HQ in Ottawa (Canada). Our in-house development team mostly uses Perl.
>>>
>>> I'll be visiting San Francisco next month, and I'm thinking about moving to
>>> the area. If you guys have a meetup planned during my stay, I'd love to drop
>>> in.
>>>
>>> If not, maybe we can set something up? I'm definitely interested in getting
>>> advice on jobs in the bay area, and moving (I'll be coming from Canada,
>>> can't just show up unannounced!) so maybe dinner and drinks? Or if you want
>>> to talk shop, that'd be fun too. I could put together something to present
>>> if you want.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> -Mike
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SanFrancisco-pm mailing list
>>> SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org
>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm

From lorn at lornlab.org  Sun Jan 27 07:54:22 2013
From: lorn at lornlab.org (Lindolfo Lorn Rodrigues)
Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 13:54:22 -0200
Subject: [sf-perl] [meetup] Visiting SF Feb 24-28
In-Reply-To: <CAFfgvXUdab6b53NXPjhCyxNooWcKq6nOxS2XyiF5qikqQ1g2MA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <51014D20.2060903@cs.dal.ca>
	<CAFfgvXXT+FQP4_TDE7mTzwx_xBcpuux-eM+Euny2ToqDTcH8DQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHrynWBVAFOViUCQjDJ5=Ptb-Yqv_Qswp6Drr1s_X414F_KsZg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFfgvXUdab6b53NXPjhCyxNooWcKq6nOxS2XyiF5qikqQ1g2MA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANzZQTeZ8MMvkZVKOYj5=Hu4aK4SxJ7BAQ7J++iRmXSh-iX2_g@mail.gmail.com>

Hey all, I'm from S?o Paulo - Brazil and I'll be in the San Francisco for
Heroku Waza - http://waza.heroku.com.
Feb 26 Dinner is fine for me, but I think that Feb 26 is a Meetup day right?
Meetup and dinner after? :)


On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 6:35 PM, Joseph Brenner <doomvox at gmail.com> wrote:

> Um, I think we're both wrong, it's Feb 26 isn't it?
>
> Fred Moyer <fred at redhotpenguin.com> wrote:
> > Small correction, the February date will be the 19th, not the 16th.
> > Maybe we could do a 'module show and tell' meeting?
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Joseph Brenner <doomvox at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> Text::UpsideDown!  We *need* to hear a talk about Text::UpsideDown!
> >>
> >> When are you thinking about being in SF?  We usually do meetings on
> >> the fourth Tuesdays (Feb 16, Mar 26).
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 7:02 AM, Mike Doherty <doherty at cs.dal.ca>
> wrote:
> >>> Hi all,
> >>>
> >>> My name's Mike Doherty. I work at Pythian, a database services company
> with
> >>> HQ in Ottawa (Canada). Our in-house development team mostly uses Perl.
> >>>
> >>> I'll be visiting San Francisco next month, and I'm thinking about
> moving to
> >>> the area. If you guys have a meetup planned during my stay, I'd love
> to drop
> >>> in.
> >>>
> >>> If not, maybe we can set something up? I'm definitely interested in
> getting
> >>> advice on jobs in the bay area, and moving (I'll be coming from Canada,
> >>> can't just show up unannounced!) so maybe dinner and drinks? Or if you
> want
> >>> to talk shop, that'd be fun too. I could put together something to
> present
> >>> if you want.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> -Mike
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> SanFrancisco-pm mailing list
> >>> SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org
> >>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm
> _______________________________________________
> SanFrancisco-pm mailing list
> SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm
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From frimicc at gmail.com  Sun Jan 27 23:36:04 2013
From: frimicc at gmail.com (Mike Friedman)
Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 23:36:04 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] Perl & XML
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If anyone is still interested in my "XML & Perl" talk at SVPerl from a couple weeks ago, the slides are still not posted, but the video is now available: http://youtu.be/fhmsuOv6JaM

More information is on the Meetup page. 

-- Mike
______________________________
Michael Friedman
frimicc at gmail.com

On Jan 17, 2013, at 1:38 PM, Michael Friedman <frimicc at gmail.com> wrote:

> You're all welcome to come down to our sister group, SVPerl, tonight for the talk, as well. RSVP at Meetup.com: http://www.meetup.com/SVPerl/events/95560432/
> 
> It's going to be an overview of how to handle XML data using Perl tools. I don't plan on going into too much detail, but there are a handful of example files that we'll probably have time to discuss. You can look at those on my GitHub account: https://github.com/frimicc/medline-metadata
> 
> The slides won't be all that useful without my presenter's notes, but I'll see if I can export them in a useful format. I wrote (and will conduct) the presentation entirely from Keynote on my iPad, so the export options aren't as full-fledged as I'd like. Whatever I can get out will be posted at SVPerl.org in a few days, I think.
> 
> If anyone wants a copy of the original Keynote file, I can send that along, though. Send me a private email.
> 
> -- Mike
> 
> On Jan 17, 2013, at 1:21 PM, Francisco Obispo <fobispo at isc.org> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On Jan 17, 2013, at 1:19 PM, Joseph Brenner <doomvox at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> I'm doing a presentation on XML & Perl tonight
>> 
>> 
>> Can you share the slides?
>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> Francisco Obispo 
>> Director of Applications and Services - ISC
>> email: fobispo at isc.org
>> Phone: +1 650 423 1374 || INOC-DBA *3557* NOC
>> PGP KeyID = B38DB1BE
>> 
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From greg at blekko.com  Wed Jan 30 14:15:01 2013
From: greg at blekko.com (Greg Lindahl)
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 14:15:01 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl]  [job] CPAN contractor wanted
Message-ID: <20130130221501.GA10667@bx9.net>

blekko would like to contribute a modest amount of stuff to CPAN,
mostly low-level stuff that we've found handy and figure other people
might find handy, too. We'd like to hire a contractor to do the
necessary work of removing dependencies, making stuff pluggable,
portable, documented, tested, etc. There's some C/C++ XS involved.
And, we need help deciding what would be useful to release.

We expect O(100) hours over 2 months at a modest hourly rate. Remote
preferred, CPAN experience a must, and you will need to be patient
with a sometimes slow pace of work.

Please email me your resume and we'll go from there.

-- greg