From fred at redhotpenguin.com  Thu May  3 12:08:02 2012
From: fred at redhotpenguin.com (Fred Moyer)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 12:08:02 -0700
Subject: [sf-perl] Fwd: [ANNOUNCE] mod_perl 2.0.6
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FYI, for those of you running enterprise level web services.


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Fred Moyer <phred at apache.org>
Date: Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 12:29 PM
Subject: [ANNOUNCE] mod_perl 2.0.6
To: mod_perl list <modperl at perl.apache.org>, mod_perl Dev
<dev at perl.apache.org>, announce at perl.apache.org


I'm pleased to announce the release of mod_perl 2.0.6, available at
the following apache.org URL, along with a CPAN mirror near you.

http://apache.org/dist/perl/mod_perl-2.0.6.tar.gz
http://apache.org/dist/perl/mod_perl-2.0.6.tar.gz.asc (pgp sig)

md5: 76f4154cffb15972246f03080e9d133c


Thanks to the many contributors to this release! Please see the full
changelog below.


=> Changes for mod_perl 2.0.6:

Preserve 5.8 compatibility surrounding use of MUTABLE_CV [Adam Prime]

Move code after declarations to keep MSVC++ compiler happy. [Steve Hay]

Adopt modperl_pcw.c changes from httpd24 branch. [Torsten Foertsch]

Pool cleanup functions must not longjmp. Catch these exceptions and turn
them into warnings. [Torsten Foertsch]

Fix a race condition in our tipool management.
See http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/modperl/dev/104026
Patch submitted by: SalusaSecondus <salusa at nationstates.net>
Reviewed by: Torsten Foertsch

Ensure that MP_APXS is set when building on Win32 with MP_AP_PREFIX,
otherwise the bundled Reload and SizeLimit builds will fail to find a
properly configured Test environment.
[Steve Hay]

Fix a few REFCNT bugs.
Patch submitted by: Niko Tyni <ntyni at debian.org>
Reviewed by: Torsten Foertsch

Correct the initialization of the build config in ModPerl::MM. The global
variable was only being set once on loading the module, which was before
Apache2::BuildConfig.pm had been written, leading to cwd and MP_LIBNAME
being unset when writing the Reload and SizeLimit makefiles.
[Steve Hay]

Discover apr-2-config from Apache 2.4 onwards. [Gozer]

Apache 2.4 and onwards doesn't require linking the MPM module directly in
the httpd binary anymore. APXS lost the MPM_NAME query, so we can't assume
a given MPM anymore. Introduce a fake MPM 'dynamic' to represent this.
[Torsten Foertsch, Gozer]

Perl 5.14 brought a few changes in Perl_sv_dup() that made a threaded apache
segfault while cloning interpreters.
[Torsten Foertsch]

PerlIOApache_flush() and mpxs_Apache2__RequestRec_rflush() now no longer throw
exceptions when modperl_wbucket_flush() fails if the failure was just a reset
connection or an aborted connection. The failure is simply logged to the error
log instead. This should fix cases of httpd.exe crashing when users press the
Stop button in their web browsers.
[Steve Hay]

Fixed a few issues that came up with LWP 6.00:
- t/response/TestAPI/request_rec.pm assumes HTTP/1.0 but LWP 6 uses 1.1
- t/api/err_headers_out.t fails due to a bug somewhere in LWP 6
- t/filter/TestFilter/out_str_reverse.pm sends the wrong content-length header
[Torsten Foertsch]

Bugfix: Apache2::ServerUtil::get_server{description,banner,version} cannot
be declared as perl constants or they won't reflect added version components
if Apache2::ServerUtil is loaded before the PostConfig phase. Now, they
are ordinary perl functions. [Torsten Foertsch]

Check for the right ExtUtils::Embed version during build [Torsten Foertsch]

Take a lesson from rt.cpan.org #66085 and pass LD_LIBRARY_PATH if mod_env
is present. ?Should prevent test failures on some platforms.
[Fred Moyer]

From swartz at pobox.com  Wed May  9 05:12:30 2012
From: swartz at pobox.com (Jonathan Swartz)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 05:12:30 -0700
Subject: [sf-perl] sf.pm.org
In-Reply-To: <20311.59107.494622.861041@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
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http://sf.pm.org/ seems sort of abandoned - e.g. incorrect 8pm schedule, a pointer to another seemingly abandoned upcoming.org page, and the owner's pining for Perl on his Palm III. :)

Should it just redirect to the meetup page at this point?


From not.com at gmail.com  Wed May  9 05:31:11 2012
From: not.com at gmail.com (yary)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 08:31:11 -0400
Subject: [sf-perl] sf.pm.org
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On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 8:12 AM, Jonathan Swartz <swartz at pobox.com> wrote:
> http://sf.pm.org/ seems sort of abandoned - e.g. incorrect 8pm schedule, a pointer to another seemingly abandoned upcoming.org page, and the owner's pining for Perl on his Palm III. :)
>
> Should it just redirect to the meetup page at this point?

Hmm. Perhaps redirecting to the "meetup" page is a good step, until I
or someone else does get around to a proper edit.

-y

From swartz at pobox.com  Wed May  9 06:02:27 2012
From: swartz at pobox.com (Jonathan Swartz)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 06:02:27 -0700
Subject: [sf-perl] sf.pm.org
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On May 9, 2012, at 5:31 AM, yary wrote:

> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 8:12 AM, Jonathan Swartz <swartz at pobox.com> wrote:
>> http://sf.pm.org/ seems sort of abandoned - e.g. incorrect 8pm schedule, a pointer to another seemingly abandoned upcoming.org page, and the owner's pining for Perl on his Palm III. :)
>> 
>> Should it just redirect to the meetup page at this point?
> 
> Hmm. Perhaps redirecting to the "meetup" page is a good step, until I
> or someone else does get around to a proper edit.


You can put any meta-information, such as the link to the mailing list, in "Read more about us..." on the meetup pgae. (Note that that currently points back to sf.pm.org. :))


From fred at redhotpenguin.com  Wed May  9 08:18:08 2012
From: fred at redhotpenguin.com (Fred Moyer)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 08:18:08 -0700
Subject: [sf-perl] sf.pm.org
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On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 5:12 AM, Jonathan Swartz <swartz at pobox.com> wrote:
> http://sf.pm.org/ seems sort of abandoned - e.g. incorrect 8pm schedule, a pointer to another seemingly abandoned upcoming.org page, and the owner's pining for Perl on his Palm III. :)
>
> Should it just redirect to the meetup page at this point?

Are you volunteering to take on the webmaster duties? :) This is
actually a situation which is more involved than it looks on the
surface. Gather round here folks and I'll detail the long version.

The current sf.pm.org website is hosted on a custom built CMS
(Greymatter) that is probably a decade old. I think half the people on
this list have built their own CMS at some point or another. We had a
partial design for a new website a few years ago, but that never
really took hold. I've been using the App::PM::Announce tool to post
the meeting announcements to sf.pm.org as well as Meetup, LinkedIn,
and use.perl.org. So the meetings page was consistently up to date for
probably the last 3 years.

Until last year, when LinkedIn decided to add a captcha to their
application, so we couldn't cross post announcements there. Then
use.perl.org went belly up, and Meetup decided to obfuscate their
login process with form tokens (thanks a lot meetup). I spent some
time updating the announcement tool and put in a github pull request,
but the original version is still on CPAN.

So at that point I started posting the meeting announcements only on
Meetup by hand, this was July of 2011. I usually tweet the
announcement also at http://twitter.com/sfperlmongers. Back to your
question though, why don't we redirect sf.pm.org to Meetup?

Two reasons. I made a promise to keep the original sf.pm.org site on
the web, which means creating another DNS entry for legacy.sf.pm.org
or something similar. DNS for pm.org is handled by perl mongers
volunteers, who often have scare time available and want things done
in a certain way to make life easy for them; custom requests aren't
always handled quickly and efficiently. If this sounds like an IT
department at a large company, you're starting to get the picture.

The second reason is that Meetup is a paid service costing about
$100/year (covered by one of our sponsors Red Hot Penguin), and I was
somewhat hesitant to shift the sf.pm.org presence to them. They like
to change things without telling me, and I never really got the time
to investigate if they can properly handle CNAMEs.

Add into all this that Joe and I spend the bulk of our SF.pm tuits
organizing meetings, and now you can start to see why we haven't put a
lot of work into sf.pm.org. We've been lucky to have sponsorship from
O'Reilly, Mother Jones, Red Hot Penguin, and Six Apart (Say Media) for
a long time, but it still takes manpower to make this operation work.
We also got some great t-shirts from Blekko and dotCloud (thanks
guys!), but there haven't really been any other Perl supporters that
have stepped up.

I'll see what I can do about polishing up sf.pm.org. Maybe this email
will inspire someone to put together a nice shiny new website for us
:)

From swartz at pobox.com  Wed May  9 09:56:11 2012
From: swartz at pobox.com (Jonathan Swartz)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 09:56:11 -0700
Subject: [sf-perl] sf.pm.org
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References: <CAHrynWC54uz+PwgFhnfa1c6HXJkA9Tt-kVA8mNHq=xBTDdMb8w@mail.gmail.com>
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> Two reasons. I made a promise to keep the original sf.pm.org site on
> the web, which means creating another DNS entry for legacy.sf.pm.org
> or something similar.

What does this mean? That *a* site has to exist at sf.pm.org? Or that the site has to look the way it does, with the notebook motif and original links and everything?

From fred at redhotpenguin.com  Wed May  9 10:02:38 2012
From: fred at redhotpenguin.com (Fred Moyer)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 10:02:38 -0700
Subject: [sf-perl] sf.pm.org
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On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 9:56 AM, Jonathan Swartz <swartz at pobox.com> wrote:
>> Two reasons. I made a promise to keep the original sf.pm.org site on
>> the web, which means creating another DNS entry for legacy.sf.pm.org
>> or something similar.
>
> What does this mean? That *a* site has to exist at sf.pm.org? Or that the site has to look the way it does, with the notebook motif and original links and everything?

After having some time to think about it this morning, I think the way
to go here is to transition to a 'new' site and link back to a
hostname which references the existing greymatter website. That now
leaves the question of what replaces it open for discussion.

From fred at redhotpenguin.com  Wed May  9 10:06:53 2012
From: fred at redhotpenguin.com (Fred Moyer)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 10:06:53 -0700
Subject: [sf-perl] sf.pm.org
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On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Paul Makepeace <paulm at paulm.com> wrote:
> What do you think of this as possibilities :
>
> O. Pull content out and check in to github. copy n paste a deploy script.
> Now anyone can submit changes

I like that, decentralization is always good. Now we just need a
'hello world' new website with links to the meetup page, the Mailman
interface, and the 'legacy' sf.pm.org. Anyone?

> O. Talk to one of the perl SaaS folks and try to get space. Worst case an
> EC2 micro instance is super cheap and I'm sure we'd pick up sponsorship in
> exchange for a homepage link

Sounds good - can you point us to their contact info?

> O. Dunno if sf.pm.org is non static but maybe a weekend day hackathon with
> beer and pizzas to modern perlify it

I like this idea. Maybe this is a good topic for the July meeting.

> O. Have pm.org delegate sf.pm.org to someone here that runs decent DNS. I'll
> see it Badger can offer that

We may be able to avoid this need by assigning a non pm.org DNS
hostname to the current sf.pm.org site.

> I think most of those are independent : )

Independent is good!

>
> Paul
>
> Written on my phone
>
> On May 9, 2012 8:18 AM, "Fred Moyer" <fred at redhotpenguin.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 5:12 AM, Jonathan Swartz <swartz at pobox.com> wrote:
>> > http://sf.pm.org/ seems sort of abandoned - e.g. incorrect 8pm schedule,
>> > a pointer to another seemingly abandoned upcoming.org page, and the owner's
>> > pining for Perl on his Palm III. :)
>> >
>> > Should it just redirect to the meetup page at this point?
>>
>> Are you volunteering to take on the webmaster duties? :) This is
>> actually a situation which is more involved than it looks on the
>> surface. Gather round here folks and I'll detail the long version.
>>
>> The current sf.pm.org website is hosted on a custom built CMS
>> (Greymatter) that is probably a decade old. I think half the people on
>> this list have built their own CMS at some point or another. We had a
>> partial design for a new website a few years ago, but that never
>> really took hold. I've been using the App::PM::Announce tool to post
>> the meeting announcements to sf.pm.org as well as Meetup, LinkedIn,
>> and use.perl.org. So the meetings page was consistently up to date for
>> probably the last 3 years.
>>
>> Until last year, when LinkedIn decided to add a captcha to their
>> application, so we couldn't cross post announcements there. Then
>> use.perl.org went belly up, and Meetup decided to obfuscate their
>> login process with form tokens (thanks a lot meetup). I spent some
>> time updating the announcement tool and put in a github pull request,
>> but the original version is still on CPAN.
>>
>> So at that point I started posting the meeting announcements only on
>> Meetup by hand, this was July of 2011. I usually tweet the
>> announcement also at http://twitter.com/sfperlmongers. Back to your
>> question though, why don't we redirect sf.pm.org to Meetup?
>>
>> Two reasons. I made a promise to keep the original sf.pm.org site on
>> the web, which means creating another DNS entry for legacy.sf.pm.org
>> or something similar. DNS for pm.org is handled by perl mongers
>> volunteers, who often have scare time available and want things done
>> in a certain way to make life easy for them; custom requests aren't
>> always handled quickly and efficiently. If this sounds like an IT
>> department at a large company, you're starting to get the picture.
>>
>> The second reason is that Meetup is a paid service costing about
>> $100/year (covered by one of our sponsors Red Hot Penguin), and I was
>> somewhat hesitant to shift the sf.pm.org presence to them. They like
>> to change things without telling me, and I never really got the time
>> to investigate if they can properly handle CNAMEs.
>>
>> Add into all this that Joe and I spend the bulk of our SF.pm tuits
>> organizing meetings, and now you can start to see why we haven't put a
>> lot of work into sf.pm.org. We've been lucky to have sponsorship from
>> O'Reilly, Mother Jones, Red Hot Penguin, and Six Apart (Say Media) for
>> a long time, but it still takes manpower to make this operation work.
>> We also got some great t-shirts from Blekko and dotCloud (thanks
>> guys!), but there haven't really been any other Perl supporters that
>> have stepped up.
>>
>> I'll see what I can do about polishing up sf.pm.org. Maybe this email
>> will inspire someone to put together a nice shiny new website for us
>> :)
>> _______________________________________________
>> SanFrancisco-pm mailing list
>> SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm

From swartz at pobox.com  Wed May  9 10:26:12 2012
From: swartz at pobox.com (Jonathan Swartz)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 10:26:12 -0700
Subject: [sf-perl] sf.pm.org
In-Reply-To: <CAHrynWDPHvfiZBA+LBFGT=2pLmcC=4CxhGj+sGuyWMVqUvGh1w@mail.gmail.com>
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On May 9, 2012, at 10:02 AM, Fred Moyer wrote:

> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 9:56 AM, Jonathan Swartz <swartz at pobox.com> wrote:
>>> Two reasons. I made a promise to keep the original sf.pm.org site on
>>> the web, which means creating another DNS entry for legacy.sf.pm.org
>>> or something similar.
>> 
>> What does this mean? That *a* site has to exist at sf.pm.org? Or that the site has to look the way it does, with the notebook motif and original links and everything?
> 
> After having some time to think about it this morning, I think the way
> to go here is to transition to a 'new' site and link back to a
> hostname which references the existing greymatter website. That now
> leaves the question of what replaces it open for discussion.

Well, as a very first step, even before a big redesign, maybe just link to the meetup site from the home page instead of to the year-old weblog? So people know there are current meetings.

Jon

From biztos at mac.com  Wed May  9 11:03:26 2012
From: biztos at mac.com (Kevin Frost)
Date: Wed, 09 May 2012 20:03:26 +0200
Subject: [sf-perl] sf.pm.org
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I humbly suggest the following.

http://www.kevinfrost.com/tmp/sf.pm.org.html

One short page.  Simple HTML.  No resources.  Looks not-too-terrible on mobile.  More or less to the point.

Just drop it in there in place of the index.html and you should be ready to start building something Fun And Real without looking bad in the meantime.

-- f.



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From swartz at pobox.com  Wed May  9 11:10:04 2012
From: swartz at pobox.com (Jonathan Swartz)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 11:10:04 -0700
Subject: [sf-perl] sf.pm.org
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I second it!

On May 9, 2012, at 11:03 AM, Kevin Frost wrote:

> I humbly suggest the following.
> 
> http://www.kevinfrost.com/tmp/sf.pm.org.html
> 
> One short page.  Simple HTML.  No resources.  Looks not-too-terrible on mobile.  More or less to the point.
> 
> Just drop it in there in place of the index.html and you should be ready to start building something Fun And Real without looking bad in the meantime.
> 
> -- f.
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SanFrancisco-pm mailing list
> SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm

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From fred at redhotpenguin.com  Wed May  9 11:48:37 2012
From: fred at redhotpenguin.com (Fred Moyer)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 11:48:37 -0700
Subject: [sf-perl] sf.pm.org
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On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Paul Makepeace <paulm at paulm.com> wrote:
>> Sounds good - can you point us to their contact info?
>
> https://www.dotcloud.com/pricing/?suggests it's free for lite use so maybe
> no need to even talk to anyone (geeks rejoice)

Ah good call. I'll see if I can get that going.

>> We may be able to avoid this need by assigning a non pm.org DNS
>> hostname to the current sf.pm.org site.
>
> I've always thought of registering new domains to work around that kind of
> thing is an admission of failure. "sf.pm.org" is a pretty cool domain
> already: short, brand recognition, google juice, etc. Actually I think the
> pm.org folks aren't that bad - we just need a couple of name servers under
> someone's control here and a quick email and I bet it'd get done.

I was suggesting the legacy site move to a non-pm.org hostname, so we
wouldn't have to ask the PM gods for old.sf.pm.org or something
similar. The sf.pm.org hostname would continue to host the 'current'
site.


>
> Paul
>
>>
>> > I think most of those are independent : )
>>
>> Independent is good!
>>
>> >
>> > Paul
>> >
>> > Written on my phone
>> >
>> > On May 9, 2012 8:18 AM, "Fred Moyer" <fred at redhotpenguin.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 5:12 AM, Jonathan Swartz <swartz at pobox.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > http://sf.pm.org/ seems sort of abandoned - e.g. incorrect 8pm
>> >> > schedule,
>> >> > a pointer to another seemingly abandoned upcoming.org page, and the
>> >> > owner's
>> >> > pining for Perl on his Palm III. :)
>> >> >
>> >> > Should it just redirect to the meetup page at this point?
>> >>
>> >> Are you volunteering to take on the webmaster duties? :) This is
>> >> actually a situation which is more involved than it looks on the
>> >> surface. Gather round here folks and I'll detail the long version.
>> >>
>> >> The current sf.pm.org website is hosted on a custom built CMS
>> >> (Greymatter) that is probably a decade old. I think half the people on
>> >> this list have built their own CMS at some point or another. We had a
>> >> partial design for a new website a few years ago, but that never
>> >> really took hold. I've been using the App::PM::Announce tool to post
>> >> the meeting announcements to sf.pm.org as well as Meetup, LinkedIn,
>> >> and use.perl.org. So the meetings page was consistently up to date for
>> >> probably the last 3 years.
>> >>
>> >> Until last year, when LinkedIn decided to add a captcha to their
>> >> application, so we couldn't cross post announcements there. Then
>> >> use.perl.org went belly up, and Meetup decided to obfuscate their
>> >> login process with form tokens (thanks a lot meetup). I spent some
>> >> time updating the announcement tool and put in a github pull request,
>> >> but the original version is still on CPAN.
>> >>
>> >> So at that point I started posting the meeting announcements only on
>> >> Meetup by hand, this was July of 2011. I usually tweet the
>> >> announcement also at http://twitter.com/sfperlmongers. Back to your
>> >> question though, why don't we redirect sf.pm.org to Meetup?
>> >>
>> >> Two reasons. I made a promise to keep the original sf.pm.org site on
>> >> the web, which means creating another DNS entry for legacy.sf.pm.org
>> >> or something similar. DNS for pm.org is handled by perl mongers
>> >> volunteers, who often have scare time available and want things done
>> >> in a certain way to make life easy for them; custom requests aren't
>> >> always handled quickly and efficiently. If this sounds like an IT
>> >> department at a large company, you're starting to get the picture.
>> >>
>> >> The second reason is that Meetup is a paid service costing about
>> >> $100/year (covered by one of our sponsors Red Hot Penguin), and I was
>> >> somewhat hesitant to shift the sf.pm.org presence to them. They like
>> >> to change things without telling me, and I never really got the time
>> >> to investigate if they can properly handle CNAMEs.
>> >>
>> >> Add into all this that Joe and I spend the bulk of our SF.pm tuits
>> >> organizing meetings, and now you can start to see why we haven't put a
>> >> lot of work into sf.pm.org. We've been lucky to have sponsorship from
>> >> O'Reilly, Mother Jones, Red Hot Penguin, and Six Apart (Say Media) for
>> >> a long time, but it still takes manpower to make this operation work.
>> >> We also got some great t-shirts from Blekko and dotCloud (thanks
>> >> guys!), but there haven't really been any other Perl supporters that
>> >> have stepped up.
>> >>
>> >> I'll see what I can do about polishing up sf.pm.org. Maybe this email
>> >> will inspire someone to put together a nice shiny new website for us
>> >> :)
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> SanFrancisco-pm mailing list
>> >> SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org
>> >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm
>
>

From fred at redhotpenguin.com  Wed May  9 14:36:32 2012
From: fred at redhotpenguin.com (Fred Moyer)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 14:36:32 -0700
Subject: [sf-perl] [meeting] Poet: A Web Framework for Mason
Message-ID: <CAHrynWBBQqNb2So7xAxg+P=ahR2wfQ8TrOjSomP0c-0rmOK81w@mail.gmail.com>

Our June meeting will happen on Tuesday the 22nd at 7pm at Verifone,
Jonathan Swartz will be speaking on the Poet web framework.

http://www.meetup.com/San-Francisco-Perl-Mongers/events/64017842/

Mason has been used to build many web sites, but being a templating
system first and foremost it has always fallen short of its web
development potential. And web frameworks like Catalyst and Dancer,
with their generic treatment of view layers, use only a subset of
Mason's features.

Now, Poet is a web framework designed especially to be used with
Mason. It provides a common-sense directory hierarchy, configuration
system, PSGI integration, caching, logging, and a host of other
web-related features that perfectly complement Mason's powerful
dispatch and templating features.

Poet was designed and developed over the past six years at Hearst
Digital Media. Today it is used to generate all of Hearst's magazine
websites, including Cosmopolitan, Esquire, and Good Housekeeping, as
well as their internal content management and subscription management
systems.

The author of Mason and Poet, Jonathan Swartz, will give a tour of
Poet, compare it with other Perl web frameworks, and give a live demo
of building a site from scratch.

For more information about what Poet is and why it was created, see

http://www.openswartz.com/2012/04/21/poet-a-web-framework-for-mason/

From doomvox at gmail.com  Wed May  9 15:52:55 2012
From: doomvox at gmail.com (Joseph Brenner)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 15:52:55 -0700
Subject: [sf-perl] sf.pm.org
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Kevin Frost <biztos at mac.com> wrote:
> I humbly suggest the following.
>
> http://www.kevinfrost.com/tmp/sf.pm.org.html

This looks good, but we really do need to push the mailing list.
I'd suggest adding something like:

  The sf.pm.org mailing list is open to perl questions of all sorts.
   To subscribe send email to sanfrancisco-pm-request at pm.org,
   with a message body that says: subscribe.

   Or use: http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm

From biztos at mac.com  Wed May  9 17:37:50 2012
From: biztos at mac.com (Kevin Frost)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 02:37:50 +0200
Subject: [sf-perl] sf.pm.org
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Updated:

http://www.kevinfrost.com/tmp/sf.pm.org.html

I also fixed a bug Rick pointed out.

E&OE, it's 2:30am over here in Ye Olde Countries.

cheers

-- f.

On May 10, 2012, at 12:52 AM, Joseph Brenner wrote:

> Kevin Frost <biztos at mac.com> wrote:
>> I humbly suggest the following.
>> 
>> http://www.kevinfrost.com/tmp/sf.pm.org.html
> 
> This looks good, but we really do need to push the mailing list.
> I'd suggest adding something like:
> 
>  The sf.pm.org mailing list is open to perl questions of all sorts.
>   To subscribe send email to sanfrancisco-pm-request at pm.org,
>   with a message body that says: subscribe.
> 
>   Or use: http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm

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From fred at redhotpenguin.com  Wed May 16 12:19:45 2012
From: fred at redhotpenguin.com (Fred Moyer)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 12:19:45 -0700
Subject: [sf-perl] Ward Cunningham (Wikimedia) on Perl
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http://www.drdobbs.com/architecture-and-design/240000393?pgno=4

Note that this is page 4 of the interview.

From fred at redhotpenguin.com  Mon May 21 14:19:17 2012
From: fred at redhotpenguin.com (Fred Moyer)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 14:19:17 -0700
Subject: [sf-perl] Fwd: [meeting] Poet: A Web Framework for Mason
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Just a heads up, our next meeting is tomorrow evening at 7pm. Pizza
and sodas will be served! Please RSVP by 5pm tomorrow if you are
planning to attend.

http://www.meetup.com/San-Francisco-Perl-Mongers/events/64017842/


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Fred Moyer <fred at redhotpenguin.com>
Date: Wed, May 9, 2012 at 2:36 PM
Subject: [meeting] Poet: A Web Framework for Mason
To: San Francisco Perl Mongers User Group <sanfrancisco-pm at pm.org>


Our June meeting will happen on Tuesday the 22nd at 7pm at Verifone,
Jonathan Swartz will be speaking on the Poet web framework.

http://www.meetup.com/San-Francisco-Perl-Mongers/events/64017842/

Mason has been used to build many web sites, but being a templating
system first and foremost it has always fallen short of its web
development potential. And web frameworks like Catalyst and Dancer,
with their generic treatment of view layers, use only a subset of
Mason's features.

Now, Poet is a web framework designed especially to be used with
Mason. It provides a common-sense directory hierarchy, configuration
system, PSGI integration, caching, logging, and a host of other
web-related features that perfectly complement Mason's powerful
dispatch and templating features.

Poet was designed and developed over the past six years at Hearst
Digital Media. Today it is used to generate all of Hearst's magazine
websites, including Cosmopolitan, Esquire, and Good Housekeeping, as
well as their internal content management and subscription management
systems.

The author of Mason and Poet, Jonathan Swartz, will give a tour of
Poet, compare it with other Perl web frameworks, and give a live demo
of building a site from scratch.

For more information about what Poet is and why it was created, see

http://www.openswartz.com/2012/04/21/poet-a-web-framework-for-mason/

From thomasz at hostmaster.org  Wed May 23 09:53:15 2012
From: thomasz at hostmaster.org (Thomas Zehetbauer)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 18:53:15 +0200
Subject: [sf-perl] Fwd: [meeting] Poet: A Web Framework for Mason
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Hi, I just arrived to San Francisco yesterday late in the evening, will stay 
until 6/5, any more sf-perl meetups planned until then?

Tom


-- 
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From doom at kzsu.stanford.edu  Wed May 23 10:43:16 2012
From: doom at kzsu.stanford.edu (Joseph Brenner)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 10:43:16 -0700
Subject: [sf-perl] Fwd: [meeting] Poet: A Web Framework for Mason
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Thomas Zehetbauer <thomasz at hostmaster.org> wrote:
> Hi, I just arrived to San Francisco yesterday late in the evening, will stay
> until 6/5, any more sf-perl meetups planned until then?

No, sorry, we usually stick to a montlhly (every-fourth-tuesday)
schedule.  You might keep an eye on the list, though, every now and
then someone announces another gathering of some sort.

I might recommend giving the "SF Nightowls" group a try, for some
generalized geekery:

   http://www.meetup.com/SF-Nightowls/events/65742422/

They're next gathering is on Tuesday, May 29, 2012, 8:00 PM to 2:00 AM
over at "WeWork Labs",  156 2nd St, San Francisco, CA.  Their usual
deal is you need to RSVP if you want to get there at 8pm (usually
there's food out), but if you show up at 10pm they don't care.
Typically you'll find a bunch of people working on and talking about
various random projects.

From fred at redhotpenguin.com  Wed May 30 22:54:26 2012
From: fred at redhotpenguin.com (Fred Moyer)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 22:54:26 -0700
Subject: [sf-perl] Fw: [pm_groups] yapc::na arrival dinner
In-Reply-To: <4FC31C5F.7090001@stemsystems.com>
References: <4FC31C5F.7090001@stemsystems.com>
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For anyone going to YAPC 


Forwarded message:

> From: Uri Guttman <uri at stemsystems.com>
> To: pm_groups at pm.org
> Date: Sunday, May 27, 2012 11:34:07 PM
> Subject: [pm_groups] yapc::na arrival dinner
> 
> hi pm leaders,
> 
> please forward this to your local pm if you know of any of your members 
> who are going to yapc::na in madison WI. it is sold out but we need to 
> get some information to many of the attendees.
> 
> thanx,
> 
> uri
> 
> 
> hi to all yapc::na attendees,
> 
> if you haven't signed up to the yapc mailing list, please do so. it is 
> the primary area to interact with other yapc attendees (world wide). you 
> can discuss events, best local beers, sharing rides/rooms, rental cars, 
> places to eat, hackathon projects, games to play etc. you can sign up on 
> this page:
> 
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
> 
> one of the major social events of yapc::na has been the arrival dinner. 
> it will be on tuesday, june 11 from 7-10 pm at moe's grill and tavern. 
> if you are planning to attend please signup on this wiki page. we need a 
> quality head count for them to arrange for enough food. we are getting 
> drink deals (1/2 price on margaritas so far and something for beer is in 
> the works) so read that page also for updates. if you are on a strict 
> budget because you are a student or underemployed, we will have several 
> scholarships. contact me off list if you want one of them.
> 
> http://act.yapcna.org/2012/wiki?node=Arrival%20Dinner
> 
> hope to see you at yapc::na and the arrival dinner!
> 
> thanx,
> 
> uri
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