From josh at agliodbs.com Thu Nov 3 12:51:14 2011 From: josh at agliodbs.com (Josh Berkus) Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2011 12:51:14 -0700 Subject: [sf-perl] Fwd: [OT] inexpensive office space in SF Message-ID: <4EB2F0B2.7050104@agliodbs.com> Folks, I thought someone on either of these lists might be interested in the below. Please reply to Alex and not to me. Thanks! -------- Original Message -------- Subject: inexpensive office space in SF Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 09:39:17 -0700 From: Alex Polvi Hello everyone, I wanted to offer up some cheap office space in San Francisco's Mission district. It is a small incubator (10-12 desks), $250/mo/desk (or free if you can't afford anything) and included part-time office manager. The goal is to give back to people doing interesting work, over make any $$$ on it. Let me know if you might be interested. -Alex Rackspace / Mozilla / Open Source Lab -- twitter.com/polvi _______________________________________________ foundations mailing list foundations at lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/foundations From doom at kzsu.stanford.edu Mon Nov 7 10:36:52 2011 From: doom at kzsu.stanford.edu (Joseph Brenner) Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 10:36:52 -0800 Subject: [sf-perl] dot... Message-ID: I like keeping an eye on the perl5-porters list, because you come up with odd things like this: www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.perl5.porters/2011/11/msg178772.html My favorite comment: "For the implementor it's easy to implement the first 80% of the change, as you demonstrated, but implementing the remaining 80% could be tricky." -- Johan Vromans jvromans at squirrel.nl My take is that I'd like perl5 to be capable of things like this, though I hope that no one ever uses it. From doom at kzsu.stanford.edu Mon Nov 7 15:58:44 2011 From: doom at kzsu.stanford.edu (Joseph Brenner) Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 15:58:44 -0800 Subject: [sf-perl] perl study group over at noisebridge Message-ID: Someone-- not me, actually-- is starting a "perl study group" over at Noisebridge, meeting Sunday at 1pm. It's more for beginners than experts (it's not a "hackfest"). This could be your opportunity to help spread the contagion. https://www.noisebridge.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rdacker at comcast.net Tue Nov 8 07:55:09 2011 From: rdacker at comcast.net (rd ackerman) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 07:55:09 -0800 Subject: [sf-perl] perl study group over at noisebridge In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: sounds good, but i don't see any mention of it on the site. On Nov 7, 2011, at 3:58 PM, Joseph Brenner wrote: > Someone-- not me, actually-- is starting a "perl study group" over at Noisebridge, meeting Sunday at 1pm. > It's more for beginners than experts (it's not a "hackfest"). This could be your opportunity to help spread the contagion. > > https://www.noisebridge.net > > _______________________________________________ > SanFrancisco-pm mailing list > SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From setient at gmail.com Tue Nov 8 11:43:31 2011 From: setient at gmail.com (Ronald Cotoni) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 11:43:31 -0800 Subject: [sf-perl] perl study group over at noisebridge In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That is because I haven't put it on the site yet. I was planning on doing it later this week. I am the guy who suggested we get something going. 2011/11/8 rd ackerman > sounds good, but i don't see any mention of it on the site. > > On Nov 7, 2011, at 3:58 PM, Joseph Brenner wrote: > > Someone-- not me, actually-- is starting a "perl study group" over at > Noisebridge, meeting Sunday at 1pm. > It's more for beginners than experts (it's not a "hackfest"). This could > be your opportunity to help spread the contagion. > > https://www.noisebridge.net > > _______________________________________________ > SanFrancisco-pm mailing list > SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm > > > > _______________________________________________ > SanFrancisco-pm mailing list > SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm > > -- Ronald Cotoni Systems Engineer -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fred at redhotpenguin.com Thu Nov 10 18:45:38 2011 From: fred at redhotpenguin.com (Fred Moyer) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 18:45:38 -0800 Subject: [sf-perl] dot... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2FD533E1CD164826AFF398555A787D67@redhotpenguin.com> On Monday, November 7, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Joseph Brenner wrote: > I like keeping an eye on the perl5-porters list, because you come up > with odd things like this: > > www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.perl5.porters/2011/11/msg178772.html (http://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.perl5.porters/2011/11/msg178772.html) > > My favorite comment: > > "For the implementor it's easy to implement the first 80% of the > change, as you demonstrated, but implementing the remaining 80% could > be tricky." > -- Johan Vromans jvromans at squirrel.nl (mailto:jvromans at squirrel.nl) > > My take is that I'd like perl5 to be capable of things like this, > though I hope that no one ever uses it. I was thinking that it will allow early Perl 6 adopters to start doing things the Perl 6 way in perl5. A Perl::Critic policy for this will likely follow shortly after. From fred at redhotpenguin.com Thu Nov 10 18:47:11 2011 From: fred at redhotpenguin.com (Fred Moyer) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 18:47:11 -0800 Subject: [sf-perl] dot... In-Reply-To: <2FD533E1CD164826AFF398555A787D67@redhotpenguin.com> References: <2FD533E1CD164826AFF398555A787D67@redhotpenguin.com> Message-ID: <5507369C86E04A3BACFDAA6536E6227C@redhotpenguin.com> On Thursday, November 10, 2011 at 6:45 PM, Fred Moyer wrote: > On Monday, November 7, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Joseph Brenner wrote: > > My take is that I'd like perl5 to be capable of things like this, > > though I hope that no one ever uses it. > > > I was thinking that it will allow early Perl 6 adopters to start doing things the Perl 6 way in perl5. A Perl::Critic policy for this will likely follow shortly after. Here's a blog post by the patch author about the feature. http://blogs.perl.org/users/acme/2011/11/new-dot-feature.html From setient at gmail.com Sat Nov 12 15:25:19 2011 From: setient at gmail.com (Ronald Cotoni) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 15:25:19 -0800 Subject: [sf-perl] perl study group over at noisebridge In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Reminder: This is on for 1 PM PST tomorrow at Noisebridge which is located at 2169 Mission st in San Francisco. On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Ronald Cotoni wrote: > That is because I haven't put it on the site yet. I was planning on doing > it later this week. I am the guy who suggested we get something going. > > > 2011/11/8 rd ackerman > >> sounds good, but i don't see any mention of it on the site. >> >> On Nov 7, 2011, at 3:58 PM, Joseph Brenner wrote: >> >> Someone-- not me, actually-- is starting a "perl study group" over at >> Noisebridge, meeting Sunday at 1pm. >> It's more for beginners than experts (it's not a "hackfest"). This could >> be your opportunity to help spread the contagion. >> >> https://www.noisebridge.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SanFrancisco-pm mailing list >> SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SanFrancisco-pm mailing list >> SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm >> >> > > > -- > Ronald Cotoni > Systems Engineer > > -- Ronald Cotoni Systems Engineer -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fred at redhotpenguin.com Mon Nov 14 17:04:58 2011 From: fred at redhotpenguin.com (Fred Moyer) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 17:04:58 -0800 Subject: [sf-perl] Fw: [oak perl] BALUG TOMORROW! Tu 2011-11-15 BALUG meeting - Regular Expressions; & other BALUG "news" In-Reply-To: <20111114170329.15593f1r9ztudnk0@webmail.rawbw.com> References: <20111114170329.15593f1r9ztudnk0@webmail.rawbw.com> Message-ID: <3CB5C8EE825B473DA04C18AFB4BCAAA6@redhotpenguin.com> Forwarded message: > From: Michael Paoli > Reply To: rsvp at balug.org, Oakland Perl Mongers > To: Oakland Perl Mongers > Date: Monday, November 14, 2011 5:03:29 PM > Subject: [oak perl] BALUG TOMORROW! Tu 2011-11-15 BALUG meeting - Regular Expressions; & other BALUG "news" > > BALUG TOMORROW! Tu 2011-11-15 BALUG meeting - Regular Expressions; & > other BALUG "news" > > Bay Area Linux User Group (BALUG) meeting > Tuesday 6:30 P.M. 2011-11-15 > > Please RSVP if you're planning to come (see further below). > > For our 2011-11-15 BALUG meeting, we'll have a bit of a "workshop" on > Regular Expressions[1], by Michael Paoli. > Zero to quite a bit of regular expression familiarity? > Been to BALUG presentation or the like on Regular Expressions before[2]? > (maybe, maybe not) > In any case, a session on Regular Expressions - but a different > approach. This session will be on finding Regular Expression solutions > to solve problems - so bring your problems, examples, etc., and we'll > work on them, and/or come for the entertainment/education value of > seeing some of the more interesting and complex problems and solutions > - and simple fun ones too. > > 1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regular_expressions > 2. http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-talk-balug.org/2009-July/004456.html > > So, if you'd like to join us please RSVP to: > > rsvp at balug.org (mailto:rsvp at balug.org) > > **Why RSVP??** > > Well, don't worry we won't turn you away, but the RSVPs really help > BALUG and the Four Seas Restaurant plan the meal and meeting, and with > sufficient attendance, they also help ensure that we'll be able to eat > upstairs in the private banquet room. > > Meeting Details... > > 6:30pm > Tuesday, November 15th, 2011 2011-11-15 > > Four Seas Restaurant http://www.fourseasr.com/ > 731 Grant Ave. > San Francisco, CA 94108 > Easy PARKING: > Portsmouth Square Garage at 733 Kearny: > http://www.sfpsg.com/ > > Cost: The meetings are always free, but for dinner, for your gift of $13 > cash, we give you a gift of dinner - joining us for a yummy > family-style Chinese dinner - tax and tip included (your gift > also helps in our patronizing the restaurant venue and helping > to defray BALUG costs such treating our speakers to dinner). > > ------------------------------ > > CDs, etc.: > > Additional goodies we'll have at the meeting (at least the following): > > CDs, etc. - have a peek here: > http://www.wiki.balug.org/wiki/doku.php?id=balug:cds_and_images_etc > We do also have some additional give-away items, and may have > "door prizes". > > ------------------------------ > > Want to volunteer to help out BALUG? (quite a variety of opportunities > exist) Drop us a note at: > balug-contact at balug.org (mailto:balug-contact at balug.org) > Or come talk to us at a BALUG meeting. > > ------------------------------ > > Feedback on our publicity/announcements (e.g. contacts or lists where we > should get our information out that we're not presently reaching, or > things we should do differently): publicity-feedback at balug.org (mailto:publicity-feedback at balug.org) > > ------------------------------ > > http://www.balug.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Oakland mailing list > Oakland at pm.org (mailto:Oakland at pm.org) > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/oakland > From swartz at pobox.com Tue Nov 15 00:53:34 2011 From: swartz at pobox.com (Jonathan Swartz) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 00:53:34 -0800 Subject: [sf-perl] [job] Senior Perl developer at ChargeSmart Inc In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <349ED1EF-DE4E-41D8-B89C-7FCD45E8CB1B@pobox.com> ChargeSmart (http://chargesmart.com/), a thriving and innovative payments technology company, is seeking a senior Perl developer to build advanced web applications. What we use: * Clean, modern OO Perl - Moose, PSGI/Plack, Dancer, DBIx::Class, Perl::Tidy * Linux, Apache/mod_perl 2, svn, mysql (eventually postgresql), memcached We've got a strong team of Perl developers including several prolific CPAN authors. We're very open to contributing non-business-specific code back to the open source community. Our office is in the heart of San Francisco's financial district, though we are growing fast and may be moving to a larger space in SOMA in the near future. Compensation includes market-rate salary, bonuses, and full-time benefits. Primarily seeking locally based permanent employees though we're open to contract-to-hire. ChargeSmart has three main products: * Bill Payments - on pace to process $250 million dollars of consumer payments in the coming year * Direct - providing merchants a turnkey e-commerce solution for accepting credit card payments on their site * Mobile - poised to make a huge impact in the disruptive mobile payments space Feel free to email with questions. Best, Jon From cpan at goess.org Sun Nov 20 01:12:18 2011 From: cpan at goess.org (Kevin Goess) Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 10:12:18 +0100 Subject: [sf-perl] alarmingly obscure perl on wikipedia Message-ID: On the topic of trying to promote readable, modern Perl, I just happened to come across this in the wikipedia article on "Function Objects": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Function_object#In_Perl. It's a terrible, terrible ambassador for Perl, and I think actually misses the point of the article. If you compare the Perl code with even the Javascript code it's downright embarrassing. I'm going to mirror the Javascript example and rewriting the Perl code as follows, anybody have any comments on this? In Perl, functions are first class objects. Perl also supports closures. sub make_accumulator { my $current = shift; return sub { return $current += shift }; } $acc1 = make_accumulator(42); $acc2 = make_accumulator(9000); print $acc1->(3), "\n"; # prints '45' print $acc1->(3), "\n"; # prints '48' print $acc2->(542), "\n"; # prints '9542' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If you compare the Perl code with even the Javascript code it's downright embarrassing. > I'm going to mirror the Javascript example and rewriting the Perl code as follows, anybody have any comments on this? > > In Perl, functions are first class objects. ?Perl also supports closures. > > sub make_accumulator { > ? ? my $current = shift; > ? ? return sub { return $current += shift }; > } > > $acc1 = make_accumulator(42); > $acc2 = make_accumulator(9000); > > print $acc1->(3), ? "\n"; ? ?# prints '45' > print $acc1->(3), ? "\n"; ? ?# prints '48' > print $acc2->(542), "\n"; ? ?# prints '9542' > > > From hartzell at alerce.com Sun Nov 20 11:28:10 2011 From: hartzell at alerce.com (George Hartzell) Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 11:28:10 -0800 Subject: [sf-perl] alarmingly obscure perl on wikipedia In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20169.21706.34825.374268@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Kevin Goess writes: > On the topic of trying to promote readable, modern Perl, I just happened to > come across this in the wikipedia article on "Function Objects": > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Function_object#In_Perl. It's a terrible, > terrible ambassador for Perl, and I think actually misses the point of the > article. If you compare the Perl code with even the Javascript code it's > downright embarrassing. > > I'm going to mirror the Javascript example and rewriting the Perl code as > follows, anybody have any comments on this? > Seems like a great idea. g. From fred at redhotpenguin.com Tue Nov 22 11:19:13 2011 From: fred at redhotpenguin.com (Fred Moyer) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 11:19:13 -0800 Subject: [sf-perl] No meeting tonight, other details Message-ID: We won't have our usually 4th Tuesday of the month meeting tonight. We will have one more meeting with a speaker before the end of the year, date to be announced. And most likely a holiday social. Happy holiday week for those of us celebrating commonly recognized holidays, and to those who aren't, happy short week! And remember to use strict; From doom at kzsu.stanford.edu Tue Nov 22 11:24:47 2011 From: doom at kzsu.stanford.edu (Joseph Brenner) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 11:24:47 -0800 Subject: [sf-perl] we now return you to your regularly scheduled holiday Message-ID: As Fred has remarked, we're skipping our usual meeting night this month (though if someone wants to call a Naan & Curry night, feel free, it's just that Fred and I can't be there). By the way, every year around this time, we think about switching from holding meetings on the fourth Tuesdays, so we can stop competing with Thanksgiving and Christmas. We'll try setting up an early December meeting next month, maybe on the Second Tuesday. It could be that's a better pattern to go with, "Second Tuesdays" rather than Fourth. Any opinions, requests? From quinn at pgexperts.com Tue Nov 22 12:27:52 2011 From: quinn at pgexperts.com (Quinn Weaver) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 12:27:52 -0800 Subject: [sf-perl] we now return you to your regularly scheduled holiday In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Nov 22, 2011, at 11:24 AM, Joseph Brenner wrote: > As Fred has remarked, we're skipping our usual meeting night this > month (though if someone wants to call a Naan & Curry night, feel > free, it's > just that Fred and I can't be there). > > By the way, every year around this time, we think about switching from > holding meetings on the fourth Tuesdays, so we can stop competing with > Thanksgiving and Christmas. We'll try setting up an early December > meeting next month, maybe on the Second Tuesday. > > It could be that's a better pattern to go with, "Second Tuesdays" > rather than Fourth. > > Any opinions, requests? To me, Tuesdays seem insanely crowded with users' group meetings. I personally would love to switch to Thursdays or (second choice) Wednesdays if we could do it without stepping on a lot of toes. Disclaimer: This is purely my personal, selfish opinion as an SF.pm member. I'm in no way a part of current SF.pm leadership, and I don't presume to speak for anyone else. :-) -- Quinn Weaver PostgreSQL Experts, Inc. http://pgexperts.com/ 1-888-743-9778 (my extension: 510) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doom at kzsu.stanford.edu Tue Nov 22 15:50:59 2011 From: doom at kzsu.stanford.edu (Joseph Brenner) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 15:50:59 -0800 Subject: [sf-perl] we now return you to your regularly scheduled holiday In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: [one more try] Quinn Weaver wrote: > Joseph Brenner wrote: > It could be that's a better pattern to go with, "Second Tuesdays" > rather than Fourth. > To me, Tuesdays seem insanely crowded with users' group meetings. Yeah, I agree. And I'd love to hear comments from the regulars like "but that conflicts with the X meeting!" > I personally would love to switch to Thursdays or (second choice) > Wednesdays if we could do it without stepping on a lot of toes. Okay, the point is noted. My own personal situation steers me away from moving from a Tuesday meeting just now, but I can be talked around if there's interest. Maybe "second thursdays" would work. From doom at kzsu.stanford.edu Wed Nov 23 12:05:53 2011 From: doom at kzsu.stanford.edu (Joseph Brenner) Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 12:05:53 -0800 Subject: [sf-perl] we now return you to your regularly scheduled holiday In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Miller Hall wrote: > My personal request would be that we not move it earlier in the month at > all, at least not on Tuesdays.? Most regular events happen on the 1st, 2nd, > or 3rd days of the week, so I've actually enjoyed the fact that the perl > mongers group normally misses other scheduled events. What would you think of "second thursdays"? From doom at kzsu.stanford.edu Wed Nov 30 12:39:59 2011 From: doom at kzsu.stanford.edu (Joseph Brenner) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 12:39:59 -0800 Subject: [sf-perl] chromatic vs. rakudo Message-ID: Hm, even chromatic appears to be giving up on perl6. A killer rakudo cheapshot: "... after eleven and a half years, you ought to know you're an early adopter by now." http://www.modernperlbooks.com/mt/2011/11/solving-problems-or-absorbing-design-patterns.html