Joe, > I tried coming up with an alternate, based on an idea for a > "perl coat of arms": > > http://obsidianrook.com/sfpm/logo/ > > Any comments? The other club offal-sirs seem to like this direction. Wow, the ultimate bike-shedding argument begins! I think the logo is fine. Go for it. -- Josh Berkus PostgreSQL Experts Inc. www.pgexperts.com