From jeff at imaginative-software.com Mon Aug 3 11:47:10 2009 From: jeff at imaginative-software.com (Jeffrey Thalhammer) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 11:47:10 -0700 Subject: [sf-perl] Code from my Continuous Integration presentation Message-ID: Hi everyone- Back in June, I did a presentation on Continuous Integration of Perl, using TeamCity. The code that I used to integrate TAP test results with TeamCity is finally available on a CPAN near you: http://search.cpan.org/dist/TAP-Formatter-TeamCity/ This distribution also includes the Ant script that I use to wrap Module::Build, so Java-oriented tools like TeamCity will play nicely with Perl code. And if you use EPIC with Eclipse, you can use this same Ant script to build from right inside your IDE. If you want to explore TeamCity and see it working with Perl code, you're welcome to poke around with the Perl::Critic build server. Just go to http://perlcritic.com:8111 and click the "Login As a Guest" link. Cheers! Jeffrey Thalhammer Imaginative Software Systems vcard: http://www.imaginative-software.com/contact/jeff.vcf From fred at redhotpenguin.com Mon Aug 3 12:34:58 2009 From: fred at redhotpenguin.com (Fred Moyer) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 12:34:58 -0700 Subject: [sf-perl] Importing CPAN modules into Github Message-ID: I'm trying to unload^W^W open up collaboration for some CPAN modules I'm maintaining by shipping them to Github. Does anyone have any advice for importing subversion repositories to Github? I found this guide here but it seems to be lacking in few areas: http://blog.woobling.org/2009/06/git-svn-abandon.html Github's svn import hasn't been working either with my subversion repo: https://www.redhotpenguin.com/svn/class_dbi_sweet Any advice welcome. From andy at petdance.com Mon Aug 3 12:36:28 2009 From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 14:36:28 -0500 Subject: [sf-perl] Importing CPAN modules into Github In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Aug 3, 2009, at 2:34 PM, Fred Moyer wrote: > Github's svn import hasn't been working either with my subversion > repo: > > https://www.redhotpenguin.com/svn/class_dbi_sweet What does "hasn't been working" mean for you? It's worked flawlessly for me on my modules. xxo, Andy -- Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.theworkinggeek.com => AIM:petdance From fred at redhotpenguin.com Mon Aug 3 12:42:26 2009 From: fred at redhotpenguin.com (Fred Moyer) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 12:42:26 -0700 Subject: [sf-perl] Importing CPAN modules into Github In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 12:36 PM, Andy Lester wrote: > > On Aug 3, 2009, at 2:34 PM, Fred Moyer wrote: > >> Github's svn import hasn't been working either with my subversion repo: >> >> https://www.redhotpenguin.com/svn/class_dbi_sweet > > > What does "hasn't been working" mean for you? ?It's worked flawlessly for me > on my modules. Here's the import page text at url http://github.com/redhotpenguin/Class-DBI-Sweet/imports/new Import a Subversion Repository Read Before Proceeding * The import process could take as little as 5 minutes to as long as 5 days depending on the size of your repository. This has everything to do with how slow subversion is, but we're working on speeding up the process. * If your subversion repository contains a non-standard directory structure, this import process will probably not work for you. Check out our Guide for running the import yourself. * This service currently only supports public subversion repositories. Here's the error message: Please enter a valid subversion url I'm using the url mentioned above/ I'm still a bit new to git, so it is possible I'm doing something stupid. From fred at redhotpenguin.com Mon Aug 3 20:12:53 2009 From: fred at redhotpenguin.com (Fred Moyer) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 20:12:53 -0700 Subject: [sf-perl] Importing CPAN modules into Github In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 12:36 PM, Andy Lester wrote: > > On Aug 3, 2009, at 2:34 PM, Fred Moyer wrote: > >> Github's svn import hasn't been working either with my subversion repo: >> >> https://www.redhotpenguin.com/svn/class_dbi_sweet > > > What does "hasn't been working" mean for you? ?It's worked flawlessly for me > on my modules. I managed to hammer it into place with the addition of an author file and an http rather than https link. Site was running a bit slow but the chatter on #freenode is that they have a new release coming to speed things up. What an awesome resource. Loving git now that I took the leap. It is a great tool for certain tasks (not a replacement for subversion, more a supplement). From hartzell at alerce.com Wed Aug 5 10:55:28 2009 From: hartzell at alerce.com (George Hartzell) Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 10:55:28 -0700 Subject: [sf-perl] Job opening at Genentech. Message-ID: [I hope that posting a perl-ish job opening is ok...] I have an opening in my group in the Bioinformatics department at Genentech [South San Francisco, CA]. At the moment (for the next year or so) our main focus is rebuilding and extending a system for collecting, processing, and disseminating information about mutations and variations (think web interfaces, relational databases, alignments, workflows/pipelines). In the future we'll pick up projects related to next-gen sequencing (Me too!!! In the future, what isn't related to next-gen?), data integration, and/or lab-specific projects. First and foremost I'm looking for someone who's sharp and who enjoys computers, biology, and technology; someone who gets excited about picking up new tools but who also has a sense of responsibility and restraint. I'm looking for someone who's familiar with several languages and tools; modern Perl complemented with C is my first choice these days, supplemented with R and (when necessary) anything from the rest of the programming language bestiary. There's a fair amount of Java flying around here too so familiarity with it and the JVM world will help. Relational databases are part of the picture: Oracle for the big stuff; SQLite, Postgresql, and MySQL play niche roles. I generally interact with them via ORM's, lately it's been Rose::DB::Object on the Perl side though I've been convinced to take another look at DBIx::Class. Most of my web apps use CGI::Application, as fastcgi's, mod_perl, or simple CGI scripts, but (as with ORM's) I may take another look at Catalyst. I'm looking for someone who's interested in building real software. We'll be putting together a set of tools and data that need to hang together and evolve for at least 4-5 years. Deploy and run won't cut it. Requirements will change, so it's important to me that we build things so they're as modular and flexible as possible. Testing, source control, and documentation matter. A strong candidate will have an understanding of basic bioinformatics concepts and the ability to pick up new biology and computer science concepts as necessary. At the junior end of the spectrum I'd expect a bachelor's degree + 3 years of experience, at the upper end would a masters + 5 years (or a PhD interested in moving towards the production side of the house). I can imagine running through one or more detail oriented interview questions that drilled down (or took of on a tangent) from the following: - What's the difference between Smith-Waterman, blast, sim4, gmap, and/or bowtie alignment algorithms or tools? Which would you use when, and why? - Why is Moose better than Class::Accessor? (yes, it's Perl centered, but it could spin out into any language [e.g. why is Java better than Perl?]). What's a MOP? Who cares? - CVS, subversion, git, mercurial. You've already picked one? Which one? Why? Why not? - XML or JSON or YAML. Pick one for moving data back and forth in an Ajax based interface. Why? Would it also work well in other contexts? - How would you store information about positional features on a genome so that you could get fast random access? How would your solution tie into a larger data context? Genentech's a great place to work: solid salaries, great benefits, Bay Area location (who could ask for more?). We're open source friendly and with the arrival Robert Gentleman (our new Director, of Bioconductor/R fame) likely to become more so. The recent Roche acquisition hasn't changed life much, it seems to mostly be a source of opportunities for those of us in Research. If you know anyone who fits the bill, have them drop me a note. Thanks! g. From wsanders at pacificwebdesign.org Wed Aug 5 12:10:23 2009 From: wsanders at pacificwebdesign.org (Walt Sanders) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 12:10:23 -0700 Subject: [sf-perl] Job opening at Genentech. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: WOW! If you actually find such people, and they are available, I will take two of them! Walt. On Wednesday, at , George Hartzell wrote: > > [I hope that posting a perl-ish job opening is ok...] > > I have an opening in my group in the Bioinformatics department at > Genentech [South San Francisco, CA]. At the moment (for the next year > or so) our main focus is rebuilding and extending a system for > collecting, processing, and disseminating information about mutations > and variations (think web interfaces, relational databases, > alignments, workflows/pipelines). In the future we'll pick up > projects related to next-gen sequencing (Me too!!! In the future, > what isn't related to next-gen?), data integration, and/or > lab-specific projects. > > First and foremost I'm looking for someone who's sharp and who enjoys > computers, biology, and technology; someone who gets excited about > picking up new tools but who also has a sense of responsibility and > restraint. > > I'm looking for someone who's familiar with several languages and > tools; modern Perl complemented with C is my first choice these days, > supplemented with R and (when necessary) anything from the rest of the > programming language bestiary. There's a fair amount of Java flying > around here too so familiarity with it and the JVM world will help. > Relational databases are part of the picture: Oracle for the big > stuff; SQLite, Postgresql, and MySQL play niche roles. I generally > interact with them via ORM's, lately it's been Rose::DB::Object on the > Perl side though I've been convinced to take another look at > DBIx::Class. Most of my web apps use CGI::Application, as fastcgi's, > mod_perl, or simple CGI scripts, but (as with ORM's) I may take > another look at Catalyst. > > I'm looking for someone who's interested in building real software. > We'll be putting together a set of tools and data that need to hang > together and evolve for at least 4-5 years. Deploy and run won't cut > it. Requirements will change, so it's important to me that we build > things so they're as modular and flexible as possible. Testing, > source control, and documentation matter. > > A strong candidate will have an understanding of basic bioinformatics > concepts and the ability to pick up new biology and computer science > concepts as necessary. > > At the junior end of the spectrum I'd expect a bachelor's degree + 3 > years of experience, at the upper end would a masters + 5 years (or a > PhD interested in moving towards the production side of the house). > > I can imagine running through one or more detail oriented interview > questions that drilled down (or took of on a tangent) from the > following: > > - What's the difference between Smith-Waterman, blast, sim4, gmap, > and/or bowtie alignment algorithms or tools? Which would you use > when, and why? > > - Why is Moose better than Class::Accessor? (yes, it's Perl > centered, but it could spin out into any language [e.g. why is > Java better than Perl?]). What's a MOP? Who cares? > > - CVS, subversion, git, mercurial. You've already picked one? > Which one? Why? Why not? > > - XML or JSON or YAML. Pick one for moving data back and forth in > an Ajax based interface. Why? Would it also work well in other > contexts? > > - How would you store information about positional features on a > genome so that you could get fast random access? How would your > solution tie into a larger data context? > > Genentech's a great place to work: solid salaries, great benefits, Bay > Area location (who could ask for more?). We're open source friendly > and with the arrival Robert Gentleman (our new Director, of > Bioconductor/R fame) likely to become more so. The recent Roche > acquisition hasn't changed life much, it seems to mostly be a source > of opportunities for those of us in Research. > > If you know anyone who fits the bill, have them drop me a note. > > Thanks! > > g. > _______________________________________________ > SanFrancisco-pm mailing list > SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm From fred at redhotpenguin.com Wed Aug 5 13:05:12 2009 From: fred at redhotpenguin.com (Fred Moyer) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 13:05:12 -0700 Subject: [sf-perl] Job opening at Genentech. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Walt Sanders wrote: > WOW! ?If you actually find such people, and they are available, I will take > two of them! ?Walt. There were more than two at the meeting last Tuesday. The meetings are a great place for job announcements, and those announcements are heard by everyone there and tend to highlight the really serious Perl and open source friendly employers. > On Wednesday, at , George Hartzell wrote: >> [I hope that posting a perl-ish job opening is ok...] Job announcements related to Perl are welcome on the list; the only requirement is that you include the [job] tag in the subject so that users can filter those emails appropriately. >> I have an opening in my group in the Bioinformatics department at >> Genentech [South San Francisco, CA]. ?At the moment (for the next year >> or so) our main focus is rebuilding and extending a system for >> collecting, processing, and disseminating information about mutations >> and variations (think web interfaces, relational databases, >> alignments, workflows/pipelines). ?In the future we'll pick up >> projects related to next-gen sequencing (Me too!!! ?In the future, >> what isn't related to next-gen?), data integration, and/or >> lab-specific projects. >> >> First and foremost I'm looking for someone who's sharp and who enjoys >> computers, biology, and technology; someone who gets excited about >> picking up new tools but who also has a sense of responsibility and >> restraint. >> >> I'm looking for someone who's familiar with several languages and >> tools; modern Perl complemented with C is my first choice these days, >> supplemented with R and (when necessary) anything from the rest of the >> programming language bestiary. ?There's a fair amount of Java flying >> around here too so familiarity with it and the JVM world will help. >> Relational databases are part of the picture: Oracle for the big >> stuff; SQLite, Postgresql, and MySQL play niche roles. ?I generally >> interact with them via ORM's, lately it's been Rose::DB::Object on the >> Perl side though I've been convinced to take another look at >> DBIx::Class. ?Most of my web apps use CGI::Application, as fastcgi's, >> mod_perl, or simple CGI scripts, but (as with ORM's) I may take >> another look at Catalyst. >> >> I'm looking for someone who's interested in building real software. >> We'll be putting together a set of tools and data that need to hang >> together and evolve for at least 4-5 years. ?Deploy and run won't cut >> it. ?Requirements will change, so it's important to me that we build >> things so they're as modular and flexible as possible. ?Testing, >> source control, and documentation matter. >> >> A strong candidate will have an understanding of basic bioinformatics >> concepts and the ability to pick up new biology and computer science >> concepts as necessary. >> >> At the junior end of the spectrum I'd expect a bachelor's degree + 3 >> years of experience, at the upper end would a masters + 5 years (or a >> PhD interested in moving towards the production side of the house). >> >> I can imagine running through one or more detail oriented interview >> questions that drilled down (or took of on a tangent) from the >> following: >> >> ?- What's the difference between Smith-Waterman, blast, sim4, gmap, >> ? and/or bowtie alignment algorithms or tools? ?Which would you use >> ? when, and why? >> >> ?- Why is Moose better than Class::Accessor? ?(yes, it's Perl >> ? centered, but it could spin out into any language [e.g. why is >> ? Java better than Perl?]). ?What's a MOP? ?Who cares? >> >> ?- CVS, subversion, git, mercurial. ?You've already picked one? >> ? Which one? ?Why? ?Why not? >> >> ?- XML or JSON or YAML. ?Pick one for moving data back and forth in >> ? an Ajax based interface. ?Why? ?Would it also work well in other >> ? contexts? >> >> ?- How would you store information about positional features on a >> ? genome so that you could get fast random access? ?How would your >> ? solution tie into a larger data context? >> >> Genentech's a great place to work: solid salaries, great benefits, Bay >> Area location (who could ask for more?). ?We're open source friendly >> and with the arrival Robert Gentleman (our new Director, of >> Bioconductor/R fame) likely to become more so. ?The recent Roche >> acquisition hasn't changed life much, it seems to mostly be a source >> of opportunities for those of us in Research. >> >> If you know anyone who fits the bill, have them drop me a note. >> >> Thanks! >> >> g. >> _______________________________________________ >> SanFrancisco-pm mailing list >> SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm > > _______________________________________________ > SanFrancisco-pm mailing list > SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm > From hartzell at alerce.com Wed Aug 5 13:39:49 2009 From: hartzell at alerce.com (George Hartzell) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 13:39:49 -0700 Subject: [sf-perl] Job opening at Genentech. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <19065.60949.398486.720439@already.dhcp.gene.com> Fred Moyer writes: > On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Walt > Sanders wrote: > > WOW! ?If you actually find such people, and they are available, I will take > > two of them! ?Walt. > > There were more than two at the meeting last Tuesday. The meetings > are a great place for job announcements, and those announcements are > heard by everyone there and tend to highlight the really serious Perl > and open source friendly employers. I really wanted to come to the meeting last week (it would have been my first, and I *did* start a discussion about it on this list a while back), but ended up in Seattle on last-minute business. I do plan to come and introduce myself. And please share the announcement to any and all that you think might be interested. > > On Wednesday, at , George Hartzell wrote: > >> [I hope that posting a perl-ish job opening is ok...] > > Job announcements related to Perl are welcome on the list; the only > requirement is that you include the [job] tag in the subject so that > users can filter those emails appropriately. Whoops. I'll resist the urge to repost with the proper tag, that'd only get me in trouble for spamming.... :o Thanks, g. From fred at redhotpenguin.com Wed Aug 5 15:25:19 2009 From: fred at redhotpenguin.com (Fred Moyer) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 15:25:19 -0700 Subject: [sf-perl] Job opening at Genentech. In-Reply-To: <19065.60949.398486.720439@already.dhcp.gene.com> References: <19065.60949.398486.720439@already.dhcp.gene.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 1:39 PM, George Hartzell wrote: > Fred Moyer writes: > ?> On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Walt > ?> Sanders wrote: > ?> > WOW! ?If you actually find such people, and they are available, I will take > ?> > two of them! ?Walt. > ?> > ?> There were more than two at the meeting last Tuesday. ?The meetings > ?> are a great place for job announcements, and those announcements are > ?> heard by everyone there and tend to highlight the really serious Perl > ?> and open source friendly employers. > > I really wanted to come to the meeting last week (it would have been > my first, and I *did* start a discussion about it on this list a while > back), but ended up in Seattle on last-minute business. ?I do plan to > come and introduce myself. That would be great - as always the more the merrier. > ?> Job announcements related to Perl are welcome on the list; the only > ?> requirement is that you include the [job] tag in the subject so that > ?> users can filter those emails appropriately. > > Whoops. ?I'll resist the urge to repost with the proper tag, that'd > only get me in trouble for spamming.... :o Yeah not necessary to repost, but I don't think you'd get accused of spamming :) I'm mostly carrying the 'please use the [job] tag' torch here :) From fred at redhotpenguin.com Thu Aug 6 15:13:44 2009 From: fred at redhotpenguin.com (Fred Moyer) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 15:13:44 -0700 Subject: [sf-perl] Fwd: User Group News: Help O'Reilly by Answering this Survey In-Reply-To: <1249593690.14112.0.706170@post.oreilly.com> References: <1249593690.14112.0.706170@post.oreilly.com> Message-ID: If everyone could take a couple minutes to take this survey it would help out one of our biggest sponsors a lot. 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O'Reilly Media, Inc. 1005 Gravenstein Highway North, Sebastopol, CA 95472 (707) 827-7000 From fred at redhotpenguin.com Mon Aug 10 14:36:31 2009 From: fred at redhotpenguin.com (Fred Moyer) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 14:36:31 -0700 Subject: [sf-perl] August Meeting Details - "Oops! I i18n'd your app" Message-ID: "Localizing legacy code, automating the process, and how to work with your translators" Jeff Goff (DrForr) will be talking about his experience with localizing a large and hugely successful mission critical legacy perl application. The meeting will take place at 7 pm PST on August 24th at Six Apart World Headquarters. I have a couple of Perl books that weren't given away at the last meeting, I'll be bringing those to this meeting. Please RSVP on the Meetup site: http://www.meetup.com/San-Francisco-Perl-Mongers/calendar/11080121/ Other places to promote this event with: http://sf.pm.org/weblog/ http://www.linkedin.com/groupAnswers?viewQuestionAndAnswers=&gid=932197&discussionID=5915451&goback=.anh_932197 http://use.perl.org/~Phred/journal/39439 See you there! From fred at redhotpenguin.com Mon Aug 10 14:55:07 2009 From: fred at redhotpenguin.com (Fred Moyer) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 14:55:07 -0700 Subject: [sf-perl] August Meeting Details - "Oops! I i18n'd your app" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Oops! I accidentally sent the wrong meeting date. The correct date is Tuesday August 25th. Thanks to Michael Friedman for the spot. I've updated all the referenced links. On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Fred Moyer wrote: > "Localizing legacy code, automating the process, and how to work with > your translators" > > Jeff Goff (DrForr) will be talking about his experience with localizing a > large and hugely successful mission critical legacy perl application. > > The meeting will take place at 7 pm PST on August 24th at Six Apart > World Headquarters. ?I have a couple of Perl books that weren't given > away at the last meeting, I'll be bringing those to this meeting. > > Please RSVP on the Meetup site: > > http://www.meetup.com/San-Francisco-Perl-Mongers/calendar/11080121/ > > > Other places to promote this event with: > > http://sf.pm.org/weblog/ > > http://www.linkedin.com/groupAnswers?viewQuestionAndAnswers=&gid=932197&discussionID=5915451&goback=.anh_932197 > > http://use.perl.org/~Phred/journal/39439 > > > See you there! > From bob.goolsby at gmail.com Mon Aug 10 14:57:12 2009 From: bob.goolsby at gmail.com (Bob goolsby) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 14:57:12 -0700 Subject: [sf-perl] August Meeting Details - "Oops! I i18n'd your app" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1a208dd0908101457s75966672m2911f0d99f2dc2b2@mail.gmail.com> Fred -- If the meeting is on Monday (8/24) I can RSVP. If, like the meetup-site says, the meeting is in the 35th, then I have a prior engagement. Sigh.... B Bob Goolsby bob.goolsby at gmail.com On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Fred Moyer wrote: > "Localizing legacy code, automating the process, and how to work with > your translators" > > Jeff Goff (DrForr) will be talking about his experience with localizing a > large and hugely successful mission critical legacy perl application. > > The meeting will take place at 7 pm PST on August 24th at Six Apart > World Headquarters. ?I have a couple of Perl books that weren't given > away at the last meeting, I'll be bringing those to this meeting. > > Please RSVP on the Meetup site: > > http://www.meetup.com/San-Francisco-Perl-Mongers/calendar/11080121/ > > > Other places to promote this event with: > > http://sf.pm.org/weblog/ > > http://www.linkedin.com/groupAnswers?viewQuestionAndAnswers=&gid=932197&discussionID=5915451&goback=.anh_932197 > > http://use.perl.org/~Phred/journal/39439 > > > See you there! > _______________________________________________ > SanFrancisco-pm mailing list > SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm > From fred at redhotpenguin.com Mon Aug 10 15:01:33 2009 From: fred at redhotpenguin.com (Fred Moyer) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:01:33 -0700 Subject: [sf-perl] August Meeting Details - "Oops! I i18n'd your app" In-Reply-To: <1a208dd0908101457s75966672m2911f0d99f2dc2b2@mail.gmail.com> References: <1a208dd0908101457s75966672m2911f0d99f2dc2b2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Bob goolsby wrote: > Fred -- > > If the meeting is on Monday (8/24) I can RSVP. ?If, like the > meetup-site says, the meeting is in the 35th, then I have a prior > engagement. ?Sigh.... The 35th? Did you use this link? http://www.meetup.com/San-Francisco-Perl-Mongers/calendar/11080121/ I got another report of an issue with the link that I'm still trying to get details with, but I think we may have hit a Meetup bug. There was a calendar entry for the 24th, but I deleted that and had the announcement tool create an entry for the 25th, which that link references. I have gotten the posting process almost 100% automated, so it wouldn't surprise me if we are seeing a "just when you thought it was idiotproof" bug. Anyone else, please let me know if you are having issues, and please be very specific. Thanks. > > > > B > > Bob Goolsby > bob.goolsby at gmail.com > > On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Fred Moyer wrote: >> "Localizing legacy code, automating the process, and how to work with >> your translators" >> >> Jeff Goff (DrForr) will be talking about his experience with localizing a >> large and hugely successful mission critical legacy perl application. >> >> The meeting will take place at 7 pm PST on August 24th at Six Apart >> World Headquarters. ?I have a couple of Perl books that weren't given >> away at the last meeting, I'll be bringing those to this meeting. >> >> Please RSVP on the Meetup site: >> >> http://www.meetup.com/San-Francisco-Perl-Mongers/calendar/11080121/ >> >> >> Other places to promote this event with: >> >> http://sf.pm.org/weblog/ >> >> http://www.linkedin.com/groupAnswers?viewQuestionAndAnswers=&gid=932197&discussionID=5915451&goback=.anh_932197 >> >> http://use.perl.org/~Phred/journal/39439 >> >> >> See you there! >> _______________________________________________ >> SanFrancisco-pm mailing list >> SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm >> > _______________________________________________ > SanFrancisco-pm mailing list > SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm > From fred at redhotpenguin.com Mon Aug 10 15:09:41 2009 From: fred at redhotpenguin.com (Fred Moyer) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:09:41 -0700 Subject: [sf-perl] August Meeting Details - "Oops! I i18n'd your app" In-Reply-To: References: <1a208dd0908101457s75966672m2911f0d99f2dc2b2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: It looks like the initial link on the site for the 24th caused some HTTP 500 Internal Server Error weirdness when I posted the new link, and deleted the old one. So here's the authoritative master: http://www.meetup.com/San-Francisco-Perl-Mongers/calendar/11080121/ All the other links I posted are up to date except LinkedIn, they don't let you edit so I had to recreate it there: http://www.linkedin.com/groupAnswers?viewQuestionAndAnswers=&gid=932197&discussionID=5916939&goback=.anh_932197.ana_932197_1249941779591_3_1.anh_932197 On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Fred Moyer wrote: > On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Bob goolsby wrote: >> Fred -- >> >> If the meeting is on Monday (8/24) I can RSVP. ?If, like the >> meetup-site says, the meeting is in the 35th, then I have a prior >> engagement. ?Sigh.... > > The 35th? Did you use this link? > > http://www.meetup.com/San-Francisco-Perl-Mongers/calendar/11080121/ > > I got another report of an issue with the link that I'm still trying > to get details with, but I think we may have hit a Meetup bug. ?There > was a calendar entry for the 24th, but I deleted that and had the > announcement tool create an entry for the 25th, which that link > references. > > I have gotten the posting process almost 100% automated, so it > wouldn't surprise me if we are seeing a "just when you thought it was > idiotproof" bug. > > Anyone else, please let me know if you are having issues, and please > be very specific. ?Thanks. > >> >> >> >> B >> >> Bob Goolsby >> bob.goolsby at gmail.com >> >> On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Fred Moyer wrote: >>> "Localizing legacy code, automating the process, and how to work with >>> your translators" >>> >>> Jeff Goff (DrForr) will be talking about his experience with localizing a >>> large and hugely successful mission critical legacy perl application. >>> >>> The meeting will take place at 7 pm PST on August 24th at Six Apart >>> World Headquarters. ?I have a couple of Perl books that weren't given >>> away at the last meeting, I'll be bringing those to this meeting. >>> >>> Please RSVP on the Meetup site: >>> >>> http://www.meetup.com/San-Francisco-Perl-Mongers/calendar/11080121/ >>> >>> >>> Other places to promote this event with: >>> >>> http://sf.pm.org/weblog/ >>> >>> http://www.linkedin.com/groupAnswers?viewQuestionAndAnswers=&gid=932197&discussionID=5915451&goback=.anh_932197 >>> >>> http://use.perl.org/~Phred/journal/39439 >>> >>> >>> See you there! >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SanFrancisco-pm mailing list >>> SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org >>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> SanFrancisco-pm mailing list >> SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm >> > From david at fetter.org Mon Aug 10 15:13:50 2009 From: david at fetter.org (David Fetter) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:13:50 -0700 Subject: [sf-perl] August Meeting Details - "Oops! I i18n'd your app" In-Reply-To: References: <1a208dd0908101457s75966672m2911f0d99f2dc2b2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090810221350.GM25552@fetter.org> On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 03:01:33PM -0700, Fred Moyer wrote: > On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Bob goolsby wrote: > > Fred -- > > > > If the meeting is on Monday (8/24) I can RSVP. ?If, like the > > meetup-site says, the meeting is in the 35th, then I have a prior > > engagement. ?Sigh.... > > The 35th? Did you use this link? > > http://www.meetup.com/San-Francisco-Perl-Mongers/calendar/11080121/ > > I got another report of an issue with the link that I'm still trying > to get details with, but I think we may have hit a Meetup bug. > There was a calendar entry for the 24th, but I deleted that and had > the announcement tool create an entry for the 25th, which that link > references. For what it's worth, I've found Meetup's recurring meetup "feature" to be the exact opposite of what user groups need. The default is to repeat the previous one meetup, where it should be *not* to repeat the previous. These days, I just schedule them by hand in advance. Cheers, David. -- David Fetter http://fetter.org/ Phone: +1 415 235 3778 AIM: dfetter666 Yahoo!: dfetter Skype: davidfetter XMPP: david.fetter at gmail.com Remember to vote! Consider donating to Postgres: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate From fred at redhotpenguin.com Mon Aug 10 15:19:10 2009 From: fred at redhotpenguin.com (Fred Moyer) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:19:10 -0700 Subject: [sf-perl] August Meeting Details - "Oops! I i18n'd your app" In-Reply-To: <20090810221350.GM25552@fetter.org> References: <1a208dd0908101457s75966672m2911f0d99f2dc2b2@mail.gmail.com> <20090810221350.GM25552@fetter.org> Message-ID: On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 3:13 PM, David Fetter wrote: > For what it's worth, I've found Meetup's recurring meetup "feature" to > be the exact opposite of what user groups need. The default is to > repeat the previous one meetup, where it should be *not* to repeat the > previous. ?These days, I just schedule them by hand in advance. I've been using our in house syndication tool developed by Robert Krimen: http://search.cpan.org/~rkrimen/App-PM-Announce-0.025/lib/App/PM/Announce.pm You drop the announcement into a text file and run 'pm-announce < announcement.txt'. And it just works (except for Meetup errors apparently :) Here's the payload I used for today's announcement. It has channels for Meetup, use.perl.org, sf.pm.org, and LinkedIn groups. I'm sure other channel patches would be welcome :) # App-PM-Announce # You can leave 'venue' blank to use the default venue (per /Users/phred/Library /Application Support/.app-pm-announce/config) # The 'datetime' field is the date & time that the event will take place. Any re asonable string should do (parsed via DateTimeX::Easy) --- title: Oops! I i18n'd your app venue: Six Apart World Headquarters datetime: 2009-08-24T19:00:00 uuid: 159612A6-321B-2GDE-9058-4FFC462F2F28 --- "Localizing legacy code, automating the process, and how to work with your trans lators" Jeff Goff (DrForr) will be talking about his experience with localizing a large and hugely successful mission critical legacy perl application. The meeting will take place at 7 pm PST on Tuesday August 25th at Six Apart World Headqu arters. http://search.cpan.org/~jgoff/ Announcement posted via App::PM::Announce > > Cheers, > David. > -- > David Fetter http://fetter.org/ > Phone: +1 415 235 3778 ?AIM: dfetter666 ?Yahoo!: dfetter > Skype: davidfetter ? ? ?XMPP: david.fetter at gmail.com > > Remember to vote! > Consider donating to Postgres: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate > _______________________________________________ > SanFrancisco-pm mailing list > SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm > From bob.goolsby at gmail.com Mon Aug 10 15:21:28 2009 From: bob.goolsby at gmail.com (Bob goolsby) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:21:28 -0700 Subject: [sf-perl] August Meeting Details - "Oops! I i18n'd your app" In-Reply-To: References: <1a208dd0908101457s75966672m2911f0d99f2dc2b2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1a208dd0908101521s53677d56h3718224b2c130c15@mail.gmail.com> Yeah, and the Dreaded Fat-Fingered-Typing bug hit again. Seriously, why is it that everyone has their meeting scheduled on a Tuesday? Sigh. I have a standing class-night on Tuesdays for the foreseeable future. (This summer it's Java, next semester one of two Math courses, depending on the instructors.) I figure that about the time I hit retirement age, I will also graduate. B Bob Goolsby bob.goolsby at gmail.com On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Fred Moyer wrote: > On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Bob goolsby wrote: >> Fred -- >> >> If the meeting is on Monday (8/24) I can RSVP. ?If, like the >> meetup-site says, the meeting is in the 35th, then I have a prior >> engagement. ?Sigh.... > > The 35th? Did you use this link? > > http://www.meetup.com/San-Francisco-Perl-Mongers/calendar/11080121/ > > I got another report of an issue with the link that I'm still trying > to get details with, but I think we may have hit a Meetup bug. ?There > was a calendar entry for the 24th, but I deleted that and had the > announcement tool create an entry for the 25th, which that link > references. > > I have gotten the posting process almost 100% automated, so it > wouldn't surprise me if we are seeing a "just when you thought it was > idiotproof" bug. > > Anyone else, please let me know if you are having issues, and please > be very specific. ?Thanks. > >> >> >> >> B >> >> Bob Goolsby >> bob.goolsby at gmail.com >> >> On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Fred Moyer wrote: >>> "Localizing legacy code, automating the process, and how to work with >>> your translators" >>> >>> Jeff Goff (DrForr) will be talking about his experience with localizing a >>> large and hugely successful mission critical legacy perl application. >>> >>> The meeting will take place at 7 pm PST on August 24th at Six Apart >>> World Headquarters. ?I have a couple of Perl books that weren't given >>> away at the last meeting, I'll be bringing those to this meeting. >>> >>> Please RSVP on the Meetup site: >>> >>> http://www.meetup.com/San-Francisco-Perl-Mongers/calendar/11080121/ >>> >>> >>> Other places to promote this event with: >>> >>> http://sf.pm.org/weblog/ >>> >>> http://www.linkedin.com/groupAnswers?viewQuestionAndAnswers=&gid=932197&discussionID=5915451&goback=.anh_932197 >>> >>> http://use.perl.org/~Phred/journal/39439 >>> >>> >>> See you there! >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SanFrancisco-pm mailing list >>> SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org >>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> SanFrancisco-pm mailing list >> SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm >> > _______________________________________________ > SanFrancisco-pm mailing list > SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm > From doom at kzsu.stanford.edu Mon Aug 10 17:55:26 2009 From: doom at kzsu.stanford.edu (Joe Brenner) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:55:26 -0700 Subject: [sf-perl] August Meeting Details - "Oops! I i18n'd your app" In-Reply-To: <1a208dd0908101521s53677d56h3718224b2c130c15@mail.gmail.com> References: <1a208dd0908101457s75966672m2911f0d99f2dc2b2@mail.gmail.com> <1a208dd0908101521s53677d56h3718224b2c130c15@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200908110055.n7B0tQcx087208@kzsu.stanford.edu> Bob goolsby wrote: > Yeah, and the Dreaded Fat-Fingered-Typing bug hit again. > > Seriously, why is it that everyone has their meeting scheduled on a > Tuesday? Sigh. Yeah, I don't know what it is about Tuesdays, either. Like I've said before, if I ever start a monthly geek event, it's going to be held on first prime wednesdays. > I figure that about the time I hit retirement age, I will also > graduate. There's always adult-ed classes. From doom at kzsu.stanford.edu Mon Aug 10 17:57:38 2009 From: doom at kzsu.stanford.edu (Joe Brenner) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:57:38 -0700 Subject: [sf-perl] upcoming talks, locations... and a call for lightning Message-ID: <200908110057.n7B0vcNs087248@kzsu.stanford.edu> This month, on August 24th, we've got a talk by Jeffrey Goff about doing internationalization on a legacy perl app. In September, there was someone we met at OSCON, Kristina Chodorow of 10gen, who wanted to give a talk on MongoDB, a non-relational, document-oriented database (she's writing a perl driver for it). It turns out her schedule has changed and she won't be in town for our September 22nd meeting, but we have found an alternate location for her to give a talk on Thursday, September 3rd. But rather than abandon our usual end-of-month meeting at Six Apart, Fred and I thought it might be time for another round of lightning talks. (Yes, two sf.pm meetings in one month -- a historical first. And it makes up for taking off in December). So anyone up for lightning talks? Hit me with your ideas (or reply on the list, if you like). That's on Tuesday, September 22nd. More details on that to follow... And we're still looking for a speaker for Tuesday November 24th. From fred at redhotpenguin.com Mon Aug 10 18:06:15 2009 From: fred at redhotpenguin.com (Fred Moyer) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 18:06:15 -0700 Subject: [sf-perl] upcoming talks, locations... and a call for lightning In-Reply-To: <200908110057.n7B0vcNs087248@kzsu.stanford.edu> References: <200908110057.n7B0vcNs087248@kzsu.stanford.edu> Message-ID: On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 5:57 PM, Joe Brenner wrote: > > This month, on August 24th, we've got a talk by Jeffrey Goff about > doing internationalization on a legacy perl app. Just a quick correction, this is on Tuesday, the 25th. My bad for my calendar oops earlier :) > > In September, there was someone we met at OSCON, Kristina Chodorow > of 10gen, who wanted to give a talk on MongoDB, a non-relational, > document-oriented database (she's writing a perl driver for it). > > It turns out her schedule has changed and she won't be in town > for our September 22nd meeting, but we have found an alternate > location for her to give a talk on Thursday, September 3rd. > > But rather than abandon our usual end-of-month meeting at Six Apart, > Fred and I thought it might be time for another round of lightning > talks. > > (Yes, two sf.pm meetings in one month -- a historical first. > And it makes up for taking off in December). > > So anyone up for lightning talks? ?Hit me with your ideas (or reply > on the list, if you like). ?That's on Tuesday, September 22nd. > > More details on that to follow... > > And we're still looking for a speaker for Tuesday November 24th. > > _______________________________________________ > SanFrancisco-pm mailing list > SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm > From doom at kzsu.stanford.edu Mon Aug 10 18:52:10 2009 From: doom at kzsu.stanford.edu (Joe Brenner) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 18:52:10 -0700 Subject: [sf-perl] upcoming talks, locations... and a call for lightning In-Reply-To: <200908110057.n7B0vcNs087248@kzsu.stanford.edu> References: <200908110057.n7B0vcNs087248@kzsu.stanford.edu> Message-ID: <200908110152.n7B1qAH8087974@kzsu.stanford.edu> Joe Brenner wrote: > This month, on August 24th, we've got a talk by Jeffrey Goff about > doing internationalization on a legacy perl app. Hell, now I'm doing it. That's Tuesday, August 25th. From matt at lanier.org Mon Aug 10 23:56:14 2009 From: matt at lanier.org (Matthew Lanier) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 23:56:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sf-perl] August Meeting Details - "Oops! I i18n'd your app" In-Reply-To: <200908110055.n7B0tQcx087208@kzsu.stanford.edu> References: <1a208dd0908101457s75966672m2911f0d99f2dc2b2@mail.gmail.com> <1a208dd0908101521s53677d56h3718224b2c130c15@mail.gmail.com> <200908110055.n7B0tQcx087208@kzsu.stanford.edu> Message-ID: well, if any of you had told me that was a problem when we claimed the 4th tuesday of the month 11 freakin' years ago, i might have done something different :-) m@ On Mon, 10 Aug 2009, Joe Brenner wrote: > > Bob goolsby wrote: > >> Yeah, and the Dreaded Fat-Fingered-Typing bug hit again. >> >> Seriously, why is it that everyone has their meeting scheduled on a >> Tuesday? Sigh. > > Yeah, I don't know what it is about Tuesdays, either. > > Like I've said before, if I ever start a monthly geek event, it's going > to be held on first prime wednesdays. > >> I figure that about the time I hit retirement age, I will also >> graduate. > > There's always adult-ed classes. > > _______________________________________________ > SanFrancisco-pm mailing list > SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm > From holz.hilary at gmail.com Tue Aug 11 12:59:44 2009 From: holz.hilary at gmail.com (Hilary Holz) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 15:59:44 -0400 Subject: [sf-perl] August Meeting Details - "Oops! I i18n'd your app" In-Reply-To: References: <1a208dd0908101457s75966672m2911f0d99f2dc2b2@mail.gmail.com> <1a208dd0908101521s53677d56h3718224b2c130c15@mail.gmail.com> <200908110055.n7B0tQcx087208@kzsu.stanford.edu> Message-ID: <2b1ea0a70908111259q2ada79afjf30c6d1546a9e609@mail.gmail.com> And what a service you've provided, too! If sf.pm didn't meet on Tuesday, what else would we all have to bitch and whine and moan about? On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 2:56 AM, Matthew Lanier wrote: > > well, if any of you had told me that was a problem when we claimed the 4th > tuesday of the month 11 freakin' years ago, i might have done something > different :-) > > m@ > > > > > On Mon, 10 Aug 2009, Joe Brenner wrote: > > >> Bob goolsby wrote: >> >> Yeah, and the Dreaded Fat-Fingered-Typing bug hit again. >>> >>> Seriously, why is it that everyone has their meeting scheduled on a >>> Tuesday? Sigh. >>> >> >> Yeah, I don't know what it is about Tuesdays, either. >> >> Like I've said before, if I ever start a monthly geek event, it's going >> to be held on first prime wednesdays. >> >> I figure that about the time I hit retirement age, I will also >>> graduate. >>> >> >> There's always adult-ed classes. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SanFrancisco-pm mailing list >> SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm >> >> _______________________________________________ > SanFrancisco-pm mailing list > SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm > -- Hilary J Holz Agile Technomethodologist http://twiki.csueastbay.edu/People/HilaryHolz -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doom at kzsu.stanford.edu Wed Aug 12 18:43:39 2009 From: doom at kzsu.stanford.edu (Joe Brenner) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 18:43:39 -0700 Subject: [sf-perl] Interested in both emacs and perl? Message-ID: <200908130143.n7D1hd4E027853@kzsu.stanford.edu> I'm trying to drum up interest in a place to talk about emacs and perl issues: http://groups.google.com/group/emacs-perl-intersection Note, once you've signed up you can treat it like a mailing list. You send messages to: emacs-perl-intersection at googlegroups.com And click on "Edit my membership" to set an email address to receive postings. From matt at lanier.org Thu Aug 13 09:56:57 2009 From: matt at lanier.org (Matthew Lanier) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 09:56:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sf-perl] Interested in both emacs and perl? In-Reply-To: <200908130143.n7D1hd4E027853@kzsu.stanford.edu> References: <200908130143.n7D1hd4E027853@kzsu.stanford.edu> Message-ID: i welcome the conversation here, personally, properly [tag]'d m@ On Wed, 12 Aug 2009, Joe Brenner wrote: > > I'm trying to drum up interest in a place to talk about > emacs and perl issues: > > http://groups.google.com/group/emacs-perl-intersection > > > Note, once you've signed up you can treat it like a mailing list. > You send messages to: > > emacs-perl-intersection at googlegroups.com > > And click on "Edit my membership" to set an email address to > receive postings. > _______________________________________________ > SanFrancisco-pm mailing list > SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm > From fred at redhotpenguin.com Thu Aug 13 11:01:26 2009 From: fred at redhotpenguin.com (Fred Moyer) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 11:01:26 -0700 Subject: [sf-perl] [tags] was Re: Interested in both emacs and perl? Message-ID: The official SF.pm taglist. Please try to use the appropriate tag when you can. These tags are designed to be easy to use while providing a high level of filtering accuracy. In case you're not catching my sarcasm, this post is meant to be humorous :) If you have to spend any amount of brain capacity on a tag, then don't worry about tagging your email. We'll forgive you :) If you have to use the [perl] tag, then you probably don't need a tag. [job] - Posts related to jobs [news] - Posts related to news [emacs|vim|komodo] - Posts related to editors [conference] - Posts related to conferences [tsunami] - If you are aware of a tsunami that will impact the SF Bay Area, please use this tag [ruby|php|scala] - Posts regarding other programming languages [meeting] - Posts regarding meetings [asteroid] - If an asteroid impact is about to occur, please use this tag [tag] - If you want to add a new tag to this list, use this tag [ride] - If you need a ride use this tag. If the ride is to a meeting, see below. Tag hierarchy. This is where it gets a bit more complicated. I'll demonstrate by example: [meeting::ride] - Use this tag if you need a ride to a meeting. [meeting::php] - Use this tag for offtopic php meeting announcements. [conference::tsunami] - If you are at a conference, and a tsunami warning sounds, use this tag. [tsunami::conference] - Use this tag for conference announcements regarding tsunamis. Note the difference with the above item. [tsunami::conference::ride] - Need a ride to a tsunami conference? This should be self explanatory. [tsunami::conference::ride::asteroid] - In the unlikely event that an asteroid is headed to a tsunami conference, and you don't have a ride, use this tag to request a seat on the asteroid. Getting to the asteroid is left for an exercise for the reader. On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Matthew Lanier wrote: > i welcome the conversation here, personally, properly [tag]'d > > m@ > > On Wed, 12 Aug 2009, Joe Brenner wrote: > >> >> I'm trying to drum up interest in a place to talk about >> emacs and perl issues: >> >> ?http://groups.google.com/group/emacs-perl-intersection >> >> >> Note, once you've signed up you can treat it like a mailing list. >> You send messages to: >> >> ?emacs-perl-intersection at googlegroups.com >> >> And click on "Edit my membership" to set an email address to >> receive postings. >> _______________________________________________ >> SanFrancisco-pm mailing list >> SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm >> > _______________________________________________ > SanFrancisco-pm mailing list > SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm > From oraman at verizon.net Thu Aug 13 17:11:40 2009 From: oraman at verizon.net (Orastaff) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 20:11:40 -0400 Subject: [sf-perl] * Perl Tools Developer Position Available in Bay Area Message-ID: <0KOC00F0UB7KYXX7@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> No Sponsorship is Available. No Third Parties Please. Position: Perl or Python Tools Developer Position ( with an industry leader) ** Must Have Perl or Python, debugging, and protocol experience within a Unix environment. Salary Range: 75-100K base-depends on experience. Location: Greater San Francisco California area ( San Mateo) No relocation assistance is provided, however company will consider candidates willing to pay thier own relocation expenses. Description: This company is a solid, well-known Bay Area success story. At the moment, they seek a strong Tools Engineer who can work with existing teams to implement tools for managing systems. This roe will both maintain and support all internal tools, but also help build new tools. Here's what is required: -Must be proficient in either Perl or Python. If not, we won't get you through the front door. -Must have solid debugging skills. -Must have experience/knowledge with either (or both) HTTP or TCP/IP Protocols. -Must have experence working in/with large Unix Environments like Solaris or Linux Pluses: 1. JAVA experience, Tomcat Experience 2. Enterrpise Storage and Networking For immediate consideration, please send your resume as a Word attachment to: oraman at verizon.net Please use job code: Perl Mongers/San Fran/Tools Developer/Doug P. All Submissions are handled in confidence. From fred at redhotpenguin.com Thu Aug 13 17:34:28 2009 From: fred at redhotpenguin.com (Fred Moyer) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 17:34:28 -0700 Subject: [sf-perl] * Perl Tools Developer Position Available in Bay Area In-Reply-To: <0KOC00F0UB7KYXX7@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0KOC00F0UB7KYXX7@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: Hi Bill, Please use the [job] tag on all job postings. I specified that request to you when you emailed me from the LInkedIn group. We're a pretty chill group here but one of the standing requests we have for job postings is the [job] tag in the Subject line. Other tags can be found in the mail archives - http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/sanfrancisco-pm/2009-August/thread.html In fact, there is a thread with some serious and not so serious guidelines for what tags should be used for what topics. Thanks, Fred On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 5:11 PM, Orastaff wrote: > No Sponsorship is Available. No Third Parties Please. > > Position: Perl or Python Tools Developer Position ( with an industry leader) > > ** Must Have Perl or Python, debugging, and protocol experience within a > Unix environment. > > Salary Range: 75-100K base-depends on experience. > > Location: Greater San Francisco California area ( San Mateo) > ? ? ? ? ?No relocation assistance is provided, however company will consider > candidates > ? ? ? ? ?willing to pay thier own relocation expenses. > > Description: > This company is a solid, well-known Bay Area success story. > At the moment, they seek a strong Tools Engineer who can work with existing > teams to implement tools for managing systems. > This roe will both maintain and support all internal tools, but also help > build new tools. > > Here's what is required: > -Must be proficient in either Perl or Python. If not, we won't get you > through the front door. > -Must have solid debugging skills. > -Must have experience/knowledge with either (or both) HTTP or TCP/IP > Protocols. > -Must have experence working in/with large Unix Environments like Solaris or > Linux > > Pluses: > 1. JAVA experience, Tomcat Experience > 2. Enterrpise Storage and Networking > > For ?immediate consideration, please send your resume as a Word attachment > to: > oraman at verizon.net > > Please use job code: Perl Mongers/San Fran/Tools Developer/Doug P. > > All Submissions are handled in confidence. > > _______________________________________________ > SanFrancisco-pm mailing list > SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm > From fred at redhotpenguin.com Wed Aug 19 10:53:50 2009 From: fred at redhotpenguin.com (Fred Moyer) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 10:53:50 -0700 Subject: [sf-perl] Reminder - "Oops! I i18n'd your app" is next Tuesday Message-ID: He(?:ar|re) ye, he(?:ar|re) ye! Don't forget our next meeting is next Tuesday August 25 at 7pm. Jeff Goff will talk about how he internationalized a large application. If you have a successful Perl based application, you will need to i18n it at some point. So come learn from Jeff's experiences and save yourself some pain! RSVP at our Meetup site: http://www.meetup.com/San-Francisco-Perl-Mongers/calendar/11080121/ From fred at redhotpenguin.com Mon Aug 24 17:14:26 2009 From: fred at redhotpenguin.com (Fred Moyer) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 17:14:26 -0700 Subject: [sf-perl] Meeting reminder, Tuesday Aug 25 at 7 pm (tomorrow) Message-ID: Tomorrow's meeting will feature Jeff Goff giving the talk '"Oops! I i18n'd your app" Please RSVP at the meetup site - looking forward to seeing everybody! http://www.meetup.com/San-Francisco-Perl-Mongers/calendar/11080121/ From james at ActionMessage.com Tue Aug 25 01:52:51 2009 From: james at ActionMessage.com (James Briggs) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 01:52:51 -0700 Subject: [sf-perl] OSCON impressions - detailed blog post In-Reply-To: References: <200907250227.n6P2Rniw081719@kzsu.stanford.edu> Message-ID: <20090825084204.M56062@actionmessage.com> Hi folks. I wrote a detailed blog post on my 2009 OSCON impressions: http://www.jebriggs.com/blog/2009/07/oscon-2009-san-jose/ It would be great if somebody could reply with a list (or link) of the Perl Lightning Talk speakers so I can fill those in. Overall I'd say it was a good year for Perl at OSCON. Not so much for MySQL. Thanks, James. From doom at kzsu.stanford.edu Tue Aug 25 09:28:20 2009 From: doom at kzsu.stanford.edu (Joe Brenner) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 09:28:20 -0700 Subject: [sf-perl] OSCON impressions - detailed blog post In-Reply-To: <20090825084204.M56062@actionmessage.com> References: <200907250227.n6P2Rniw081719@kzsu.stanford.edu> <20090825084204.M56062@actionmessage.com> Message-ID: <200908251628.n7PGSK8R065475@kzsu.stanford.edu> James Briggs wrote: > I wrote a detailed blog post on my 2009 OSCON impressions: > http://www.jebriggs.com/blog/2009/07/oscon-2009-san-jose/ > > It would be great if somebody could reply with a list (or link) of the Perl > Lightning Talk speakers so I can fill those in. This is the list of lightning talks from OSCON 2009: http://www.justanotherperlhacker.org/lightning/2009oscon.shtml Speaking of which, if anyone is wondering what "lightning talks" are about: http://perl.plover.com/lightning-talks.html And the reason I bring this up is that we're going to be doing our own Lightning Talks on September 2009, and ideas are welcome. I thought the comparision between the OSCON lightning talks and our own was kind of interesting -- both were very good, but I think in a weird way we tend to take our own lightning talks more seriously. So much heavy material goes by, it can be hard to keep track of it all... From doom at kzsu.stanford.edu Tue Aug 25 09:57:56 2009 From: doom at kzsu.stanford.edu (Joe Brenner) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 09:57:56 -0700 Subject: [sf-perl] Internationalization aka "i18n" Message-ID: <200908251658.n7PGvuFA065939@kzsu.stanford.edu> I'm interested in hearing Jeff Goff's talk tonight, because once upon a time I was doing that kind of work for a living, but that was back in the dark days before the web... Just in case the title is a little obscure, the process of translating software into another human language (e.g. English to French) has traditionally been split up into "internationalization" and "localization", or "i18n/l10n" for short. One of the main tasks of someone doing "i18n" work used to be combing through the C code for double quoted strings that contain embedded human messages, and moving them to some sort of data file which can then be given to linguists to translate. And one of the main troubles with this was always the tendency of C programmers to get too clever in re-using strings. If you create a plural by tacking on an "s", you've just written some English-only code. If you build-up strings in *any* way, you're likely to cause problems, e.g. "Can not find the %s" can't be localized, because other languages have different words for "the" depending on what noun gets swapped in for "%s". The thing is, in the web-oriented world, we've (mostly) all bought in to some form of the "MVC pattern": we try to separate language and code already, so, hypothetically, if things are done The Right Way, the "i18n" process shouldn't be that hard, right? But I don't believe it: this whole area has an amazing ability to produce head-aches. Despite Jeff Goff's title ("Oops! I i18n'd your app"), I bet what we're really going to hear is a tale of suprising problems... From doom at kzsu.stanford.edu Tue Aug 25 11:48:22 2009 From: doom at kzsu.stanford.edu (Joe Brenner) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 11:48:22 -0700 Subject: [sf-perl] Call for Lightning, pt II (was Re: OSCON impressions - detailed blog post) In-Reply-To: <200908251628.n7PGSK8R065475@kzsu.stanford.edu> References: <200907250227.n6P2Rniw081719@kzsu.stanford.edu> <20090825084204.M56062@actionmessage.com> <200908251628.n7PGSK8R065475@kzsu.stanford.edu> Message-ID: <200908251848.n7PImMsQ067917@kzsu.stanford.edu> Joe Brenner wrote: > This is the list of lightning talks from OSCON 2009: > > http://www.justanotherperlhacker.org/lightning/2009oscon.shtml > > Speaking of which, if anyone is wondering what "lightning talks" are > about: > > http://perl.plover.com/lightning-talks.html > > And the reason I bring this up is that we're going to be doing > our own Lightning Talks on September 2009, and ideas are welcome. > > I thought the comparision between the OSCON lightning talks and our > own was kind of interesting -- both were very good, but I think in a > weird way we tend to take our own lightning talks more seriously. > So much heavy material goes by, it can be hard to keep track of it > all... Lighning talks are coming up next month, on September 29th. But don't forget we've got *two* meetings in September. on September 3rd (that's *next week*) we have Kristina Chodorow of 10gen talking about non-relational databases (though that's not at the usual Six Apart location). Just to get the ball rolling, here's the talks I'm thinkinb about doing: Someone was asking me to do an introduction to writing CPAN modules, but I figure that's really two talks: "Writing CPAN modules is easy!" "Writing CPAN modules is hard!" I could also (or alternately) do a talk: "Quick and (slightly) Dirty Test Code" (I went in a different direction on testing than Jeffrey Thalhammer.) Anyway, hit me with your ideas, and I'll get you down on the schedule... From friedman at highwire.stanford.edu Tue Aug 25 12:10:15 2009 From: friedman at highwire.stanford.edu (Michael Friedman) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 12:10:15 -0700 Subject: [sf-perl] Call for Lightning, pt II (was Re: OSCON impressions - detailed blog post) In-Reply-To: <200908251848.n7PImMsQ067917@kzsu.stanford.edu> References: <200907250227.n6P2Rniw081719@kzsu.stanford.edu> <20090825084204.M56062@actionmessage.com> <200908251628.n7PGSK8R065475@kzsu.stanford.edu> <200908251848.n7PImMsQ067917@kzsu.stanford.edu> Message-ID: Speaking of next week... Do we have any more details on the Sep 3rd meeting? There's nothing on the Meetup site and I don't remember seeing any email about where and when it will be. Thanks, -- Mike On Aug 25, 2009, at 11:48 AM, Joe Brenner wrote: > > But don't > forget we've got *two* meetings in September. on September 3rd > (that's > *next week*) we have Kristina Chodorow of 10gen talking about > non-relational databases (though that's not at the usual Six Apart > location). ______________________________________________________________________________ Mike Friedman | HighWire Press, Stanford Univ | friedman at highwire.stanford.edu From fred at redhotpenguin.com Tue Aug 25 12:14:41 2009 From: fred at redhotpenguin.com (Fred Moyer) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 12:14:41 -0700 Subject: [sf-perl] Call for Lightning, pt II (was Re: OSCON impressions - detailed blog post) In-Reply-To: References: <200907250227.n6P2Rniw081719@kzsu.stanford.edu> <20090825084204.M56062@actionmessage.com> <200908251628.n7PGSK8R065475@kzsu.stanford.edu> <200908251848.n7PImMsQ067917@kzsu.stanford.edu> Message-ID: I'll coordinate with Joe at the meeting tonight and send out the announcement using the announcement tool. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Michael Friedman wrote: > Speaking of next week... Do we have any more details on the Sep 3rd meeting? > There's nothing on the Meetup site and I don't remember seeing any email > about where and when it will be. > > Thanks, > -- Mike > > On Aug 25, 2009, at 11:48 AM, Joe Brenner wrote: >> >> But don't >> forget we've got *two* meetings in September. ?on September 3rd (that's >> *next week*) we have Kristina Chodorow of 10gen talking about >> non-relational databases (though that's not at the usual Six Apart >> location). > > ______________________________________________________________________________ > Mike Friedman | HighWire Press, Stanford Univ | > friedman at highwire.stanford.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > SanFrancisco-pm mailing list > SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm > From doom at kzsu.stanford.edu Tue Aug 25 12:44:21 2009 From: doom at kzsu.stanford.edu (Joe Brenner) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 12:44:21 -0700 Subject: [sf-perl] Call for Lightning, pt II (was Re: OSCON impressions - detailed blog post) In-Reply-To: References: <200907250227.n6P2Rniw081719@kzsu.stanford.edu> <20090825084204.M56062@actionmessage.com> <200908251628.n7PGSK8R065475@kzsu.stanford.edu> <200908251848.n7PImMsQ067917@kzsu.stanford.edu> Message-ID: <200908251944.n7PJiLdi068856@kzsu.stanford.edu> Michael Friedman wrote: > Joe Brenner wrote: > > But don't forget we've got *two* meetings in September. on > > September 3rd (that's *next week*) we have Kristina Chodorow of > > 10gen talking about non-relational databases (though that's not at > > the usual Six Apart location). > Speaking of next week... Do we have any more details on the Sep 3rd > meeting? There's nothing on the Meetup site and I don't remember > seeing any email about where and when it will be. Yes, I was just wondering about that myself. (I think Fred's rhythm may be off: we've got meetings two weeks in a row). Here's some info about that meeting: Date: September 3rd, 2009 Time: 8pm Speaker: Kristina Chodorow, of 10gen Topic: "Non-relational Databases". Specifically, she's working on the perl driver for "MongoDB", a documented-oriented database: http://www.mongodb.org/display/DOCS/Home Location: Cellspace, 2050 Bryant Street (between 18th and 19th st), Mission district. Transit info: 16th St BART station is closest. Cellspace right on the 27 bus line, which stops at 18th & Bryant. The 27 also stops on 5th Street near Market, near the Powell Street BART/MUNI station. Cellspace very close to the 22 bus line, which stops at 16th and Bryant. The 22 also stops along the J-line, e.g. at Church and Market. For reference: Cellspace is the same distance from BART as Six Apart (0.6 miles), though it is further from a MUNI train-line (the closest is probably the J on Church Street, at 18th, though the 16th Street one is a good place to transfer to the 22). Not: The 16th and Mission BART station neigborhood is a bit grubbier than the BART at Powell Street (though none of them win any prizes). That night at Cellspace, there's also an "Open Studios" event, so we'll be walking though a gallery opening on our way in and out. From james at ActionMessage.com Tue Aug 25 14:09:43 2009 From: james at ActionMessage.com (James Briggs) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 14:09:43 -0700 Subject: [sf-perl] OSCON impressions - lightning talks comments In-Reply-To: <200908251628.n7PGSK8R065475@kzsu.stanford.edu> References: <200907250227.n6P2Rniw081719@kzsu.stanford.edu> <20090825084204.M56062@actionmessage.com> <200908251628.n7PGSK8R065475@kzsu.stanford.edu> Message-ID: <20090825210258.M76725@actionmessage.com> On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 09:28:20 -0700, Joe Brenner wrot > Speaking of which, if anyone is wondering what "lightning talks" are > about: > > http://perl.plover.com/lightning-talks.html I like Suggestion #6 (You All Suck: Here's what is wrong with the Perl community.). There should be a #6 in each program ... reflection can be very productive. Coincidentally, at OSCON there were 2 #6 candidates, one about bad perl programmers being responsible for writing bad perl, and one about svn merely pointing the way to git. > And the reason I bring this up is that we're going to be doing > our own Lightning Talks on September 2009, and ideas are welcome. > > I thought the comparision between the OSCON lightning talks and our > own was kind of interesting -- both were very good, but I think in a > weird way we tend to take our own lightning talks more seriously. > So much heavy material goes by, it can be hard to keep track of it > all... I found it a little confusing having multiple lightning talks for different things, but I guess we should be flattered the format is catching on. James Briggs. From james at ActionMessage.com Thu Aug 27 02:11:36 2009 From: james at ActionMessage.com (James Briggs) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 02:11:36 -0700 Subject: [sf-perl] =?iso-8859-1?q?James=27_blog_links_on_Oops!__I_i18n=92d?= =?iso-8859-1?q?_your_app_=2C_and_SphinxSearch?= Message-ID: <20090827090708.M96320@actionmessage.com> Hi folks. 1) I wrote a blog post on the meeting for those who couldn't make it. Let me know if there's any additions or corrections: sf.pm.org: Oops! I i18n?d your app http://www.jebriggs.com/blog/2009/08/sf-pm-org-oops-i-i18nd-your-app/ 2) Also, I have recently started using SphinxSearch with Perl as a replacement for MySQL Full Text Search: Using Sphinx Search with Perl http://www.jebriggs.com/blog/2009/08/using-sphinx-search-with-perl/ Thanks, James Briggs From shlomif at iglu.org.il Thu Aug 27 03:32:50 2009 From: shlomif at iglu.org.il (Shlomi Fish) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 13:32:50 +0300 Subject: [sf-perl] =?iso-8859-1?q?James=27_blog_links_on_Oops!__I_i18n=92d?= =?iso-8859-1?q?_your_app_=2C_and_SphinxSearch?= In-Reply-To: <20090827090708.M96320@actionmessage.com> References: <20090827090708.M96320@actionmessage.com> Message-ID: <200908271332.51729.shlomif@iglu.org.il> On Thursday 27 August 2009 12:11:36 James Briggs wrote: > Hi folks. > > 1) I wrote a blog post on the meeting for those who couldn't make it. > Let me know if there's any additions or corrections: > > sf.pm.org: Oops! I i18n?d your app > http://www.jebriggs.com/blog/2009/08/sf-pm-org-oops-i-i18nd-your-app/ > > > 2) Also, I have recently started using SphinxSearch with Perl as a > replacement for MySQL Full Text Search: > > Using Sphinx Search with Perl > http://www.jebriggs.com/blog/2009/08/using-sphinx-search-with-perl/ Very nice posts, and I enjoyed reading them. How would you say Sphinx Search compares to KinoSearch, the Perl port (but not pure Perl) of Lucene: http://www.rectangular.com/kinosearch/ I recently got my hostmaster to install Kino on my hosting, but I ran into a problem of trying to figure out how to get it to index my site. I'd like to set it up as an alternative to the Google search box: http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=perl&domains=www.shlomifish.org&sitesearch=www.shlomifish.org&btnG=Google+Search In any case, wouldn't you like to syndicate your Perl posts on http://perlsphere.net/ , or perhaps join the Iron Man Perl blogging competition: http://ironman.enlightenedperl.org/ ? Note that you may need to filter the Perl posts somehow, such as by using tags. Regards, Shlomi Fish > > > Thanks, > James Briggs > _______________________________________________ > SanFrancisco-pm mailing list > SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Shlomi Fish http://www.shlomifish.org/ First stop for Perl beginners - http://perl-begin.org/ God gave us two eyes and ten fingers so we will type five times as much as we read. From fred at redhotpenguin.com Thu Aug 27 14:43:12 2009 From: fred at redhotpenguin.com (Fred Moyer) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 14:43:12 -0700 Subject: [sf-perl] [meeting] Non Relational Databases Message-ID: http://www.meetup.com/San-Francisco-Perl-Mongers/calendar/11203260/ Kristina Codorow of 10gen is working on the perl driver for "MongoDB", a documented-oriented database: http://www.mongodb.org Location: Cellspace, 2050 Bryant Street (between 18th and 19th st), Mission district. Transit info: Closest BART station is "16th St & Mission". Cellspace is the same distance from BART as Six Apart (0.6 miles): walk along 16th St towards the Victoria theater at the corner of Capp St. Cellspace is also on the 27 bus line, which stops at 18th & Bryant. You can take the 27 from 5th Street & Market, right at the Powell Street BART/MUNI station. Cellspace is very close to the 22 bus line, which stops at 16th and Bryant. You can take the 22 from one of the J-line stops on Church, e.g. Church & Market. or Church & 16th Street. Note: The 16th and Mission BART station neigborhood is a bit grubbier than the BART at Powell Street (though none of them win any prizes). Announcement posted via App::PM::Announce From doom at kzsu.stanford.edu Thu Aug 27 14:54:08 2009 From: doom at kzsu.stanford.edu (Joe Brenner) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 14:54:08 -0700 Subject: [sf-perl] Next meeting (on *Thursday*, *next week*) is at 7:30pm Message-ID: <200908272154.n7RLs8vf012306@kzsu.stanford.edu> I just remembered, we changed a detail at the last meeting: our next meeting (which oddly enough, is on Thursday, and even odder is next week) is going to be at 7:30pm. Please do help get the word out on this one... the unsual time and location might throw some people. Also, now would be a good time to RSVP: http://www.meetup.com/San-Francisco-Perl-Mongers/calendar/11203260/ Joe Brenner wrote: > Date: September 3rd, 2009 > Time: 8pm Correction: 7:30pm. Do not be fooled. > Speaker: Kristina Chodorow, of 10gen > Topic: "Non-relational Databases". > Specifically, she's working on the perl driver for "MongoDB", a > documented-oriented database: > > http://www.mongodb.org/display/DOCS/Home > > Location: > > Cellspace, 2050 Bryant Street (between 18th and 19th st), Mission district. > > Transit info: > 16th St BART station is closest. > > Cellspace is right on the 27 bus line, which stops at 18th & Bryant. > You can get the 27 at 5th near Market, which is near the Powell Street > BART/MUNI station. > > Cellspace is very close to the 22 bus line, which stops at 16th and > Bryant. You can get the 22 also stops along the J MUNI line, > e.g. at Church and Market. > > For reference: Cellspace is the same distance from BART as Six > Apart (0.6 miles), though it is further from a MUNI train-line > (the closest is the 18th St & Church Street stop of the J line). > > Note: The 16th and Mission BART station neigborhood is a bit grubbier > than the BART at Powell Street (though none of them win any prizes). > > That night at Cellspace, there's also an "Open Studios" event, so we'll > be walking though a gallery opening on our way in and out. They might even have some wine left over after our meeting. From james at ActionMessage.com Thu Aug 27 16:22:23 2009 From: james at ActionMessage.com (James Briggs) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 16:22:23 -0700 Subject: [sf-perl] James' blog links on Oops! - kinosearch rumors In-Reply-To: <200908271332.51729.shlomif@iglu.org.il> References: <20090827090708.M96320@actionmessage.com> <200908271332.51729.shlomif@iglu.org.il> Message-ID: <20090827225903.M26151@actionmessage.com> On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 13:32:50 +0300, Shlomi Fish wrote > On Thursday 27 August 2009 12:11:36 James Briggs wrote: > > Hi folks. > > > > 1) I wrote a blog post on the meeting for those who couldn't make it. > > Let me know if there's any additions or corrections: > > > > sf.pm.org: Oops! I i18n?d your app > > http://www.jebriggs.com/blog/2009/08/sf-pm-org-oops-i-i18nd-your-app/ > > > > > > 2) Also, I have recently started using SphinxSearch with Perl as a > > replacement for MySQL Full Text Search: > > > > Using Sphinx Search with Perl > > http://www.jebriggs.com/blog/2009/08/using-sphinx-search-with-perl/ > > Very nice posts, and I enjoyed reading them. Hi Shlomi. Thanks. I'm fortunate to be able to attend a lot of conferences and user groups, so try to capture that for others. Most of the posts that are less than a year old are actively maintained, unlike many sources. > How would you say Sphinx Search compares to KinoSearch, the Perl port >(but not pure Perl) of Lucene: > > http://www.rectangular.com/kinosearch/ The advice I got from a programmer who has evaluated free search tools is this: make sure it has the client interfaces you need, that they actually work, and that the internal formats are compatible/portable with what you expect (ie. some claim to be lucene-compatible, but have a different on-disk format than lucene. wtf?) He mentioned kinosearch with perl as "not working out" for him in 2006 or 2007, so you should be prepared to file bug reports or fix it yourself if you go in that direction. Just a warning. Let me know what your impression is. Also, I believe there is one maintainer for kinosearch. Sphinx also has 1 maintainer, but it's a fairly fresh project and there is a revenue stream from Percona to support it for now. Craigslist is the largest user, followed by various forum sites. I have met the Sphinx author, but not the kinosearch author. > I recently got my hostmaster to install Kino on my hosting, but I > ran into a problem of trying to figure out how to get it to index my > site. I'd like to set it up as an alternative to the Google search box: > > http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=perl&domains=www.shlomifish.org&sitesearch=www.shlomifish.org&btnG=Google+Search Sphinx can be installed with only user privileges, so you would not need hostmaster intervention. I imagine the same holds for kinosearch too. > In any case, wouldn't you like to syndicate your Perl posts on > http://perlsphere.net/ , or perhaps join the Iron Man Perl blogging > competition: http://ironman.enlightenedperl.org/ ? Note that you may > need to filter the Perl posts somehow, such as by using tags. I'll look into that. Google usually ranks my posts fairly high, and you can also bookmark my blog. For those interested in SSD, check out my comprehensive post on SSD links. > Regards, > > Shlomi Fish > > > > Thanks, > > James Briggs From fred at redhotpenguin.com Sat Aug 29 15:03:29 2009 From: fred at redhotpenguin.com (Fred Moyer) Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 15:03:29 -0700 Subject: [sf-perl] [meeting] Lightning Talks! Message-ID: Lightning Talks! The September SF.pm meeting will feature lightning talks. The SF.pm Lightning talk style differs from OSCON. The Geoffrey Avery style is 5 minutes. We do a variation, 5 minutes target, but with a 2 minute extension allowed. We also allow questions, and we prefer slides up on the web or USB drives to avoid laptop juggling... RSVP at Meetup - http://www.meetup.com/San-Francisco-Perl-Mongers/calendar/11234115/ Announcement posted via App::PM::Announce