From extasia at extasia.org  Mon Feb  4 17:36:53 2008
From: extasia at extasia.org (David Alban)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 17:36:53 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] [job] contract position at stubhub/ebay in san
	francisco
In-Reply-To: <4c714a9c0802041645t26ac940ckd2bd25e588c5e30b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4c714a9c0802041645t26ac940ckd2bd25e588c5e30b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4c714a9c0802041736k65ec3c07v730f73040889fb75@mail.gmail.com>

heh.  i forgot my audience.  here is a text version of the job req.

RELEASE ENGINEER

The Company

StubHub is an online ticket exchange where fans buy or sell sports,
concert, theater, and exclusive event tickets. StubHub offers fans
exclusive event packages and charity auctions that no other Website
offers. All transactions on StubHub are 100% guaranteed and we offer
FedEx tracking, managed logistics, and live customer service.

Summary of Duties:

StubHub is seeking a talented Release Engineer that has skills and
experience in developing internal tools for automation and managing
build/deploy process. The Release Engineer will have a proven track
record developing automated tools and processes to build and deploy
releases in a managed service environment. The role will exist within
Release Management.

Essential Duties and Responsibilities:
?	Skilled in Perl and UNIX shell programming (or other appropriate
tools languages)
?	Able to design and implement a robust web support system for
communicating build issues and status
?	Able to administer, manage and maintain source control system (CVS,
Perforce, etc.); experience in sizing, tuning, backup, rollouts, etc.
?	Collaborate with Development to implement and develop nightly build
process (Ant, CruiseControl)
?	Familiar with  late night/overnight deployments to production
?	Experience generating deployment plans and managing releases
?	Excellent communication skills; able to interface with multiple
groups across the company
?	Provide expertise to the rest of the engineering organization
regarding build tools and source control
?	Advocate new tools and processes to continuously improve build and
source control efficiency
?	Mentor and assist junior members of the team as necessary
Skills and Abilities Needed:
?	BSCS or other technical degree or equivalent experience
?	Extensive experience in a UNIX / LINUX environment
?	5+ years hands-on experience as a build or release engineer
?	Experience with Open-Source development tools and systems e.g. Ant,
Java, CruiseControl
?	Expert knowledge of build, release and configuration management practices
?	Familiarity with Windows desktop environment
?	Experience working in a startup environment
?	Demonstrated problem solving and troubleshooting skills
?	Self-Starter; ability to quickly learn new tools and products
?	Cooperative attitude and style
?	Excellent verbal and written communication skills


On Feb 4, 2008 4:45 PM, David Alban <extasia at extasia.org> wrote:
> [applicants please email Cynthia Walston <cwalston at stubhub.com> ]
>
> greetings,
>
> my group at stubhub (a subsidiary of ebay) is looking to fill a
> contract position in the release engineering group.
>
> the official req is attached.  we're looking for someone to write /
> test / maintain perl tools and web interfaces to them in support of
> release engineering processes.  we're looking for candidates who have
> extensive perl and unix experience.  we're also looking for someone
> who can fairly easily put cgi front ends on our backend tools.
> platform is linux.
>
> familiarity with perforce and/or ant is a plus.
>
> we're located a couple blocks from the embarcadero bart station.
>
> if you're interested, and of course qualified, please send your resume
> to my manager Cynthia Walston at <cwalston at stubhub.com>.
>
> thanks,
> david
>
> p.s.  do you know someone else who might be qualified/interested?
>
> [applicants please Cynthia Walston <cwalston at stubhub.com>

-- 
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From afife at untangle.com  Tue Feb  5 22:53:29 2008
From: afife at untangle.com (Andrew Fife)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 22:53:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [sf-perl] Bruce Perens @ BALUG (Feb 19th)
Message-ID: <003801c8688d$0a9f7940$4301a8c0@Untangle.local>

Howdy Folks:

Bruce Perens will be giving a talk titled "Innovation Goes Public" at the
Bay Area Linux Users Group (BALUG) on February 19th.  (See the abstract
below)  

If you'd like to come, please RSVP: 
  
  RSVP at balug.org

If you haven't been to BALUG in a while, this a great opportunity to check
out what we're up to... and who knows you may just wind up eating dinner
with Bruce Perens at your table. 

Upcoming 2008 speakers include:

  Feb 19th - Bruce Perens
  March 25th (New Date) - Mark Shuttleworth (Ubuntu/Canonical)
  April 15th - Eric Allman (Sendmail)
  May 20th - Jeremy Allison (Samba)
  June 17th - Andrew Morton (Linux kernel)
  July 15th - Mike Linksvayer (Creative Commons)

So why not signup for BALUG's extremely low volume announce list:

  http://lists.balug.org/listinfo.cgi/balug-announce-balug.org

Meeting Details...

  6:30pm
  February 19th, 2008 
 
  Four Seas Restaurant
  731 Grant Ave.
  San Francisco, CA 94108
  PARKING:  http://www.portsmouthsquaregarage.com/

Cost:

  The meetings are always free, but dinner is $13

ABSTRACT: "Innovation Goes Public"
 
Presented by Bruce Perens, co-founder of the Open Source initiative
insoftware.

Open Source provides much of the software infrastructure for many of the
world's largest companies and organizations: Merrill Lynch, Google, Pixar,
Amazon, the City of New York, and probably you - although you might not
know it. Innovative products like Linux, Firefox, and Apache are the
market-leaders in their sectors, but there are tens of thousands of Open
Source programs, used for just about everything. But the economics of Open
Source are non-intuitive: how can you make money by giving software away?
Why did IBM de-emphasize AIX, after spending Billions, in favor of Linux,
the product of a loose collaboration of programmers that it can never
control? How can the world's greatest city trust Open Source to help
manage its jails?

Bruce Perens will show how Open Source is often the most effective
strategy for creating and utilizing new innovation. He will explain the
economics of Open Source and how it works for profit-generating companies.
His talk will be clear to beginners yet informative even for Open Source
pros.

About BALUG:

  BALUG is lively gathering of Linux users & free software enthusiasts
that
  combines great food, community & intimate access to featured speakers.
  We meet in the bar of the Four Seas Restaurant from 6:30pm.  At 7pm, we
  share a family-style Chinese dinner, which is followed by our guest
  speaker.

BALUG Mailing list Policy:

  BALUG promises not to abuse other LUGs mailing lists.  Our current
policy
  is to make one monthly announcement on other Bay Area LUGs mailing
lists.
  If you feel this is not appropriate for a particular list, please tell
us
  which list and what you feel would be a more appropriate policy for that
  list.  Please send feedback to balug-contact at balug.org.

----------------------------------------
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Untangle - Open Source Security Gateway
download.untangle.com

650.425.3327 (O)
415.806.6028 (C)
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From cba at groundworkopensource.com  Wed Feb  6 14:33:48 2008
From: cba at groundworkopensource.com (Chris B. Anderson)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 14:33:48 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] BayLISA Monitoring SIG: Weds, Feb 13 2008, 7PM
Message-ID: <FEC131AB5AB5954F9EAC19E9C08DEB8C013E06AD@sfexchange.groundwork.groundworkopensource.com>

(Hi: You're invited to the BayLISA Monitoring SIG, Weds, Feb 13 2008,
7PM. See the meeting announcement pasted below: feel free to post it
and/or forward it along to anyone else who might be interested. Many
thanks, and hope to see you there!)

 

=================================================

 

Monitoring SIG XIV: Ganglia Monitoring and Integration

 

Thomas Stocking will present an overview of Ganglia and showcase the
Ganglia Integration Module that adds innovative thresholding functions
to the Ganglia monitoring system.  Then Peter Loh will show some
enhancements he's developed to extend ganglia with alarms and filtered
console views.  This SIG will be a kick-off to the Ganglia "Project in
Residence" event Feb 28-29: more details at the meeting.

 

What: BayLISA Monitoring SIG XIV: Ganglia Monitoring and Integration

Who: Anyone interested in IT monitoring issues and tools (newbies
particularly welcome!)

When: Wednesday, Feb 13 2008, 7PM

Where: GroundWork Open Source, 139 Townsend St., San Francisco

How: 139 Townsend St. is very near AT&T Ballpark. It is one and a half
blocks from the CalTrain Depot. Take the MUNI N, T or J trolley to 2nd
and King (ballpark stop) or take the 30 or 45 bus (among others)
crosstown. Free evening street parking can probably be found, and there
are several fee-based parking garages around in case of parking
difficulty.

Cost: Free!!

 

Presidents' Day pizza, carbonated and non-carbonated liquid
refreshments, and healthy (and questionably healthy) snacks provided by
GroundWork. We'll open up the doors at 6:30 or so and start the formal
part of the meeting promptly at 7PM.

 

RSVP (not necessary, but helpful): Peter Mui,
pmui at groundworkopensource.com, 415-992-4573,
www.groundworkopensource.com

 

Can't attend in person?  We'll try to broadcast live via WebEx: contact
Peter if you want more info on this.

 

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From spidaman at arachna.com  Fri Feb 15 08:47:51 2008
From: spidaman at arachna.com (spidaman at arachna.com)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 08:47:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [sf-perl] "Giving the internet a good spanking."
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0802150842200.20975-100000@mail.arachna.com>


This blog may be Not-Safe-For-Work, the content and the design may be too 
juvenile for my tastes but the logo in the upper right hand corner is a 
chuckle http://www.itballerz.com/wordpress/

-- 
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From gj262 at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 15 09:33:26 2008
From: gj262 at yahoo.com (Gavin Jefferies)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 09:33:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [sf-perl] "Giving the internet a good spanking."
Message-ID: <557819.18349.qm@web37107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

http://www.itballerz.com/wordpress/wp-content/themes/default/images/header_pic.jpg

----- Original Message ----
From: "spidaman at arachna.com" <spidaman at arachna.com>
To: San Francisco Perl Mongers User Group <sanfrancisco-pm at pm.org>
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 8:47:51 AM
Subject: [sf-perl] "Giving the internet a good spanking."



This 
blog 
may 
be 
Not-Safe-For-Work, 
the 
content 
and 
the 
design 
may 
be 
too 
juvenile 
for 
my 
tastes 
but 
the 
logo 
in 
the 
upper 
right 
hand 
corner 
is 
a 
chuckle 
http://www.itballerz.com/wordpress/

-- 
Ian 
Kallen 
<spidaman 
_at_ 
arachna 
_dot_ 
com> 
| 
Yahoo/AIM: 
iankallen
  
  
  
  
  
  
 
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From josh at agliodbs.com  Fri Feb 15 09:48:45 2008
From: josh at agliodbs.com (Josh Berkus)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 09:48:45 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] "Giving the internet a good spanking."
In-Reply-To: <557819.18349.qm@web37107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <557819.18349.qm@web37107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200802150948.45595.josh@agliodbs.com>

On Friday 15 February 2008 09:33, Gavin Jefferies wrote:
> http://www.itballerz.com/wordpress/wp-content/themes/default/images/header_
>pic.jpg

Somebody needs to send that to Randal.

-- 
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PostgreSQL @ Sun
San Francisco

From duane.obrien at gmail.com  Fri Feb 15 09:58:22 2008
From: duane.obrien at gmail.com (Duane Obrien)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 09:58:22 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] "Giving the internet a good spanking."
In-Reply-To: <200802150948.45595.josh@agliodbs.com>
References: <557819.18349.qm@web37107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<200802150948.45595.josh@agliodbs.com>
Message-ID: <d7127f0b0802150958n3309ee26x205c26de5b639d@mail.gmail.com>

I think it's every author's dream to have their book used in that fashion.

On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 9:48 AM, Josh Berkus <josh at agliodbs.com> wrote:
> On Friday 15 February 2008 09:33, Gavin Jefferies wrote:
>  > http://www.itballerz.com/wordpress/wp-content/themes/default/images/header_
>  >pic.jpg
>
>  Somebody needs to send that to Randal.
>
>  --
>  Josh Berkus
>  PostgreSQL @ Sun
>  San Francisco
>
>
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From andy at petdance.com  Fri Feb 15 10:37:32 2008
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 12:37:32 -0600
Subject: [sf-perl] "Giving the internet a good spanking."
In-Reply-To: <200802150948.45595.josh@agliodbs.com>
References: <557819.18349.qm@web37107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<200802150948.45595.josh@agliodbs.com>
Message-ID: <4E0AE382-1DC5-47A2-8C83-DD9D5D9024EC@petdance.com>


On Feb 15, 2008, at 11:48 AM, Josh Berkus wrote:

>> http://www.itballerz.com/wordpress/wp-content/themes/default/images/header_pic.jpg
>
> Somebody needs to send that to Randal.


The pic has been around for years, but I thank you for posting it so I  
can put it on my Flickr account.

--
Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance





From merlyn at stonehenge.com  Fri Feb 15 10:36:00 2008
From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 10:36:00 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] "Giving the internet a good spanking."
In-Reply-To: <200802150948.45595.josh@agliodbs.com> (Josh Berkus's message of
	"Fri, 15 Feb 2008 09:48:45 -0800")
References: <557819.18349.qm@web37107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<200802150948.45595.josh@agliodbs.com>
Message-ID: <86d4qyvzhr.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com>

>>>>> "Josh" == Josh Berkus <josh at agliodbs.com> writes:

Josh> Somebody needs to send that to Randal.

I first saw that picture about three years ago or so.

Old News.

-- 
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From the_shift8 at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 15 11:33:16 2008
From: the_shift8 at yahoo.com (shift8)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 11:33:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [sf-perl] "Giving the internet a good spanking."
Message-ID: <699148.19646.qm@web56401.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

"riot prrl"!

----- Original Message ----
From: Andy Lester <andy at petdance.com>
To: San Francisco Perl Mongers User Group <sanfrancisco-pm at pm.org>
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 10:37:32 AM
Subject: Re: [sf-perl] "Giving the internet a good spanking."


On Feb 15, 2008, at 11:48 AM, Josh Berkus wrote:

>> http://www.itballerz.com/wordpress/wp-content/themes/default/images/header_pic.jpg
>
> Somebody needs to send that to Randal.


The pic has been around for years, but I thank you for posting it so I  
can put it on my Flickr account.

--
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From afife at untangle.com  Sat Feb 16 09:58:10 2008
From: afife at untangle.com (Andrew Fife)
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 09:58:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [sf-perl] Massive Ubuntu Installfest for Schools (March 1st)
Message-ID: <004101c870c5$90968170$4301a8c0@Untangle.local>

On Saturday March 1st, Untangle and the ACCRC are organizing a massive
installfest for Bay Area schools.  We are refurbishing hundreds of
older/discarded computers with Ubuntu and donating them to Bay Area
schools.  We need your help from Linux users installing Ubuntu at the 4
locations, which are San Francisco, Berkeley, San Mateo & Marin County.

Signup sheets for each location are here:

  http://wiki.untangle.com/index.php/Installfest

If you can make the installfest, you can still help by driving
participation by blogging about the event or voting for it on Digg or
Slashdot.

http://slashdot.org/bookmark.pl?url=http://www.untangle.com/installfest

http://www.digg.com/submit?url=http://www.untangle.com/installfest&phase=2

More info on the installfest here:

  www.untangle.com/installfest

Why the event is cool:

  Helps spread F/OSS (Ubuntu, Firefox, OpenOffice & more)

  Helps bridges the Digital Divide with underprivileged users 

  Keeps toxic computer equipment out of landfills (Aprox 25,000 pounds)

  Is a cool community effort

Thanks in advance for your help!

-Andrew

----------------------------------------
Andrew Fife
Untangle - Open Source Security Gateway
download.untangle.com

650.425.3327 (O)
415.806.6028 (C)
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From bh1 at light42.com  Sat Feb 16 10:14:00 2008
From: bh1 at light42.com (Brian Hamlin)
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 10:14:00 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] Massive Ubuntu Installfest for Schools (March 1st)
In-Reply-To: <004101c870c5$90968170$4301a8c0@Untangle.local>
References: <004101c870c5$90968170$4301a8c0@Untangle.local>
Message-ID: <F2C45C12-DCBA-11DC-8E7C-000A277A733C@light42.com>

Hey good news.. BUT

That guy at ACCRC, James Burgett has been claiming for *years* to be  
driving machines to schools and hospitals and helping people out. yet,  
as Chair of the EWaste Technical Council for the California Resource  
Recovery Association in 2005, I worked with *the biggest* computer for  
schools orgs *in the United States*, and no one could find or name  
schools that ACCRC had actually helped out. Not to say that *something*  
hadnt happened, but this is real work, and I was seeing more lip  
movement than machines shipped from Berkeley.  Plus, James was often  
personally hostile.

I have said to James personally, you are cool because you did this back  
when it was impossible to do. I stand by that. However, things changed.  
I dont want to get into he said, she said, but I cant let this go by  
without comment.

Now ACCRC has some good Linux folks doing a good event. Certainly  
publicize it and make the best of it. However, I urge you to keep the  
rhetoric down when heaping praises on the effort. There are multiple  
grassroots orgs that have been doing the hard work for *years* that  
dont get enough good press.

Brian Hamlin
(415) 717-4462 (cell)


On Feb 16, 2008, at 9:58 AM, Andrew Fife wrote:

> On Saturday March 1st, Untangle and the ACCRC are organizing a massive
> installfest for Bay Area schools.  We are refurbishing hundreds of
> older/discarded computers with Ubuntu and donating them to Bay Area
> schools.  We need your help from Linux users installing Ubuntu at the 4
> locations, which are San Francisco, Berkeley, San Mateo & Marin County.
>
> Signup sheets for each location are here:
>
>   http://wiki.untangle.com/index.php/Installfest
>
> If you can make the installfest, you can still help by driving
> participation by blogging about the event or voting for it on Digg or
> Slashdot.
>
> http://slashdot.org/bookmark.pl?url=http://www.untangle.com/installfest
>
> http://www.digg.com/submit?url=http://www.untangle.com/ 
> installfest&phase=2
>
> More info on the installfest here:
>
>   www.untangle.com/installfest
>
> Why the event is cool:
>
>   Helps spread F/OSS (Ubuntu, Firefox, OpenOffice & more)
>
>   Helps bridges the Digital Divide with underprivileged users
>
>   Keeps toxic computer equipment out of landfills (Aprox 25,000 pounds)
>
>   Is a cool community effort
>
> Thanks in advance for your help!
>
> -Andrew
>
> ----------------------------------------
> Andrew Fife
> Untangle - Open Source Security Gateway
> download.untangle.com
>
> 650.425.3327 (O)
> 415.806.6028 (C)
> afife at untangle.com
>
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From fluxnet at gmail.com  Sun Feb 17 16:39:59 2008
From: fluxnet at gmail.com (Bern)
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 19:39:59 -0500
Subject: [sf-perl] next meeting
Message-ID: <f4b0d8050802171639s4d52c3acna270264ee1e4c703@mail.gmail.com>

hi I am on sfo on holiday will love to attend the next meeting, any idea
when it will be ?

Thanks

Bern
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From quinn at fairpath.com  Mon Feb 18 13:13:47 2008
From: quinn at fairpath.com (Quinn Weaver)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 13:13:47 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] Massive Ubuntu Installfest for Schools (March 1st)
In-Reply-To: <F2C45C12-DCBA-11DC-8E7C-000A277A733C@light42.com>
References: <004101c870c5$90968170$4301a8c0@Untangle.local>
	<F2C45C12-DCBA-11DC-8E7C-000A277A733C@light42.com>
Message-ID: <20080218211347.GA43231@fu.funkspiel.org>

On Sat, Feb 16, 2008 at 10:14:00AM -0800, Brian Hamlin wrote:
> Hey good news.. BUT
> 
> That guy at ACCRC, James Burgett has been claiming for *years* to be  
> driving machines to schools and hospitals and helping people out.

> [...]

Hi, everyone,

This is a serious accusation.  If it's false, it's libel.  If it's
true, it's a scandal.

Please do your homework before making claims like this.  Unless you
can really prove what you say, it's irresponsible to throw around claims
that could ruin a nonprofit's reputation (or, if false, backfire and
ruin yours).

-- 
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http://fairpath.com/quinn/resume/     |  http://sf.pm.org/
510-520-5217

From bh1 at light42.com  Mon Feb 18 14:53:42 2008
From: bh1 at light42.com (Brian Hamlin)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 14:53:42 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] Massive Ubuntu Installfest for Schools (March 1st)
In-Reply-To: <20080218211347.GA43231@fu.funkspiel.org>
References: <004101c870c5$90968170$4301a8c0@Untangle.local>
	<F2C45C12-DCBA-11DC-8E7C-000A277A733C@light42.com>
	<20080218211347.GA43231@fu.funkspiel.org>
Message-ID: <5A6BADC6-DE74-11DC-8E7C-000A277A733C@light42.com>

Quinn-
   I guess you missed the article in the Indendent Press whch ripped 
ACCRC
in no uncertain terms, and led to a state investigation of his 501c3 
tax status.
I wrote a column for years and I never said a word about James, because 
I
basically support his endeavor.

BUT thats not to say that I am not annoyed now and then, and in this 
case,
spoke up when a naive new player was ready to proclaim to the world...

*I* did not say he didnt DO ANYTHING, I said he didnt do AS MUCH as he
SAYS he DOES. Now you go and pour gasoline on the fire with the word
libel. Great.

below is what i wrote off the top of my head...

Do you know how much dirty cheating there is in that business?
James is just right in the middle compared to some major operators
that have gone to JAIL over the last years in this business, with the
smart ones still operating.

Scandal or no Scandal.. you are new, you are just finding out how 
things really
are.  I MEANT to just speak up and say that James is not all that great 
...

now what to do??  Libel? ^%&@#&!^%
This is how I am rewarded for my efforts in the industry

----

OK, let me clarify...

Before you tell me I made libel, perhaps I can be clearer about what I 
was saying..
ACCRC has claimed for years to be making a big difference. I worked 
with the people
that do make a big difference. ACCRC was not one of them. ACCRC has 
certainly done
what ACCRC has done. There is a a gap between the bragging and the 
actual reality.
Thats what I said. 10s to 100s of systems of years vs 1000s of systems 
.. get it?

Meanwhile I wrote off list to the original poster and introduced him to 
one of the
best contacts in the industry for FOSS in Schools.

Ruin the Reputation of ACCRC?? I have been civil for years with my 
neighbor.
I wish all such operations well. I am not a whistle blower, either.
I am not going to stand by and let a newbie get pulled into thinking 
that they
are the first ever to do this great thing, and look at my great partner.

I gave my phone number in the post. Anyone can contact me at any time.

Computer Recycling is a hard job that I dedicated more than two years 
of my life to..
I have an opinion based on direct knowledge and experience,
  and I am not tip-toeing around ACCRC.

Have you read my column? 120+ posts
http://ewasteInsights.info

best regards
   -Brian Hamlin

(415) 717-4462 (c)



Brian Hamlin
*  was a columnist on the topic of Electronics Recycling for almost two 
years
*  participated at length for almost two years in Sacramento in EPA 
hearings on
     a series of proposals, one of which became law, one of the first in 
the country
* was Chair of the Electronic Waste Technical Council for the CRRA for 
one term


On Feb 18, 2008, at 1:13 PM, Quinn Weaver wrote:

> On Sat, Feb 16, 2008 at 10:14:00AM -0800, Brian Hamlin wrote:
>> Hey good news.. BUT
>>
>> That guy at ACCRC, James Burgett has been claiming for *years* to be
>> driving machines to schools and hospitals and helping people out.
>
>> [...]
>
> Hi, everyone,
>
> This is a serious accusation.  If it's false, it's libel.  If it's
> true, it's a scandal.
>
> Please do your homework before making claims like this.  Unless you
> can really prove what you say, it's irresponsible to throw around 
> claims
> that could ruin a nonprofit's reputation (or, if false, backfire and
> ruin yours).
>
> -- 
> Quinn Weaver, independent contractor  |  President, San Francisco Perl 
> Mongers
> http://fairpath.com/quinn/resume/     |  http://sf.pm.org/
> 510-520-5217
> _______________________________________________
> SanFrancisco-pm mailing list
> SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm


From quinn at fairpath.com  Mon Feb 18 15:23:53 2008
From: quinn at fairpath.com (Quinn Weaver)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 15:23:53 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] Massive Ubuntu Installfest for Schools (March 1st)
In-Reply-To: <5A6BADC6-DE74-11DC-8E7C-000A277A733C@light42.com>
References: <004101c870c5$90968170$4301a8c0@Untangle.local>
	<F2C45C12-DCBA-11DC-8E7C-000A277A733C@light42.com>
	<20080218211347.GA43231@fu.funkspiel.org>
	<5A6BADC6-DE74-11DC-8E7C-000A277A733C@light42.com>
Message-ID: <20080218232353.GA43921@fu.funkspiel.org>

Hi, everyone,

Brian and I just talked on the phone (right after his second post).  We agreed
that this topic has become too heated, and we'd like to move on.  We've both
pretty much said what we wanted to say, even if the way we've said it hasn't
been perfect.

For those who are interested in reading the details and deciding for
themselves, Brian is going to try to find a link to that Independent
article.

Thanks,

-- 
Quinn Weaver, independent contractor  |  President, San Francisco Perl Mongers
http://fairpath.com/quinn/resume/     |  http://sf.pm.org/
510-520-5217

From quinn at fairpath.com  Tue Feb 19 11:06:13 2008
From: quinn at fairpath.com (Quinn Weaver)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 11:06:13 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] next meeting
In-Reply-To: <f4b0d8050802171639s4d52c3acna270264ee1e4c703@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f4b0d8050802171639s4d52c3acna270264ee1e4c703@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080219190613.GC53444@fu.funkspiel.org>

On Sun, Feb 17, 2008 at 07:39:59PM -0500, Bern wrote:
> hi I am on sfo on holiday will love to attend the next meeting, any idea
> when it will be ?

Hi, Bern,

Wednesday, February 27 is the Beer and Scripting SIG, an informal dinner
meeting of Perl (and other) people.  There's no real agenda, just food
and chatting.  Last time we had fun playing with some OLPC laptops.

http://www.cfcl.com/rdm/bass/

There's no formal Perl Mongers meeting this month, so BASS is your
best bet.

Thanks,

-- 
Quinn Weaver, independent contractor  |  President, San Francisco Perl Mongers
http://fairpath.com/quinn/resume/     |  http://sf.pm.org/
510-520-5217

From rjray at blackperl.com  Tue Feb 19 11:50:11 2008
From: rjray at blackperl.com (Randy J. Ray)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 11:50:11 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] Job listings policy?
Message-ID: <47BB32F3.9090006@blackperl.com>

What is the policy on sending job listings? My company is trying to fill a Perl
position and we haven't gotten any decent response from a jobs.perl.org listing
thus far. Does everyone here check that resource? Would posting it here be
redundant, or perhaps just posting the URL to the j.p.o listing?

(The position is in Palo Alto, but it's a reasonable walk from the Palo Alto
Caltrain station.)

Randy
-- 
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
Randy J. Ray      Sunnyvale, CA      http://www.rjray.org   rjray at blackperl.com

Silicon Valley Scale Modelers: http://www.svsm.org

From josh at agliodbs.com  Tue Feb 19 12:33:06 2008
From: josh at agliodbs.com (Josh Berkus)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 12:33:06 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] Job listings policy?
In-Reply-To: <47BB32F3.9090006@blackperl.com>
References: <47BB32F3.9090006@blackperl.com>
Message-ID: <200802191233.07575.josh@agliodbs.com>

randy,

> What is the policy on sending job listings?

Post away, but add a "[job]" tag to your subject line.  That allows FTE 
folks to filter it out.

-- 
--Josh

Josh Berkus
PostgreSQL @ Sun
San Francisco

From quinn at fairpath.com  Tue Feb 19 14:22:38 2008
From: quinn at fairpath.com (Quinn Weaver)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 14:22:38 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] Job listings policy?
In-Reply-To: <47BB32F3.9090006@blackperl.com>
References: <47BB32F3.9090006@blackperl.com>
Message-ID: <20080219222238.GA54169@fu.funkspiel.org>

On Tue, Feb 19, 2008 at 11:50:11AM -0800, Randy J. Ray wrote:
> What is the policy on sending job listings? My company is trying to fill a Perl
> position and we haven't gotten any decent response from a jobs.perl.org listing
> thus far. Does everyone here check that resource? Would posting it here be
> redundant, or perhaps just posting the URL to the j.p.o listing?

Thanks for asking.  Our policy allows job postings as long as 1) their
subject line starts with [job] (for those who wish to filter them out)
and 2) the same ad is not reposted too often--about once every two
months is OK.

Posting a URL is fine, but you probably want to use URLs from your own
web site, since jobs.perl.org postings expire quickly.  Often it's
helpful to add a couple of lines of summary in the post, followed by
the URL.

Thanks and good luck,

-- 
Quinn Weaver, independent contractor  |  President, San Francisco Perl Mongers
http://fairpath.com/quinn/resume/     |  http://sf.pm.org/
510-520-5217

From fluxnet at gmail.com  Tue Feb 19 18:29:05 2008
From: fluxnet at gmail.com (Bern)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 21:29:05 -0500
Subject: [sf-perl] next meeting
In-Reply-To: <20080219190613.GC53444@fu.funkspiel.org>
References: <f4b0d8050802171639s4d52c3acna270264ee1e4c703@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080219190613.GC53444@fu.funkspiel.org>
Message-ID: <f4b0d8050802191829m7138be9gc71cc0c367072304@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Quinn thanks so much for the info

On Feb 19, 2008 2:06 PM, Quinn Weaver <quinn at fairpath.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Feb 17, 2008 at 07:39:59PM -0500, Bern wrote:
> > hi I am on sfo on holiday will love to attend the next meeting, any idea
> > when it will be ?
>
> Hi, Bern,
>
> Wednesday, February 27 is the Beer and Scripting SIG, an informal dinner
> meeting of Perl (and other) people.  There's no real agenda, just food
> and chatting.  Last time we had fun playing with some OLPC laptops.
>
> http://www.cfcl.com/rdm/bass/
>
> There's no formal Perl Mongers meeting this month, so BASS is your
> best bet.
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> Quinn Weaver, independent contractor  |  President, San Francisco Perl
> Mongers
> http://fairpath.com/quinn/resume/     |  http://sf.pm.org/
> 510-520-5217
> _______________________________________________
> SanFrancisco-pm mailing list
> SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm
>
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From extasia at extasia.org  Wed Feb 20 18:18:22 2008
From: extasia at extasia.org (David Alban)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:18:22 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] trying to constantize a compiled regex
Message-ID: <4c714a9c0802201818j423377m52e4f64eafe677d2@mail.gmail.com>

greetings,

i'm trying to make a constant of a compiled regex.  i've done it
before, but i can't seem to make it work today.  the code below
prints:

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa does not match $VAR1 = qr/(?-xism: m{
\A [a-f\d]{32} \z }xms )/;
11111111111111111111111111111111 does not match $VAR1 = qr/(?-xism: m{
\A [a-f\d]{32} \z }xms )/;
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa does not match $VAR1 = qr/(?-xism: m{
\A [a-f\d]{32} \z }xms )/;
11111111111111111111111111111111 does not match $VAR1 = qr/(?-xism: m{
\A [a-f\d]{32} \z }xms )/;
11111111111111111111111111111111 matches rgx

the test code producing the output is:

#!/usr/bin/perl

use warnings;
use strict;

use Data::Dumper;
use Readonly;

     # an md5sum should match this regular expression
Readonly::Scalar my $MD5SUM_RGX => qr{ m{ \A [a-f\d]{32} \z }xms };

my $s = 'a' x 32;

if ( $s =~ $MD5SUM_RGX ) {
  print "$s matches ", Dumper $MD5SUM_RGX;
} # if
else {
  print "$s does not match ", Dumper $MD5SUM_RGX;
} # if

$s = '1' x 32;

if ( $s =~ $MD5SUM_RGX ) {
  print "$s matches ", Dumper $MD5SUM_RGX;
} # if
else {
  print "$s does not match ", Dumper $MD5SUM_RGX;
} # if

     # try as a non-readonly variable
my $md5sum_rgx = qr{ m{ \A [a-f\d]{32} \z }xms };

$s = 'a' x 32;

if ( $s =~ $md5sum_rgx ) {
  print "$s matches ", Dumper $md5sum_rgx;
} # if
else {
  print "$s does not match ", Dumper $md5sum_rgx;
} # if

$s = '1' x 32;

if ( $s =~ $md5sum_rgx ) {
  print "$s matches ", Dumper $md5sum_rgx;
} # if
else {
  print "$s does not match ", Dumper $md5sum_rgx;
} # if

if ( $s =~ m{ \A [a-f\d]{32} \z }xms ) {
  print "$s matches rgx\n";
} # if
else {
  print "$s does not match rgx\n";
} # if

i can make the regex match,  but not as a readonly constant.  i'm sure
i'm missing something obvious...

thanks.

p.s.  dropping the 'ms' from the qualifiers doesn't change the output.

-- 
Live in a world of your own, but always welcome visitors.

From miyagawa at gmail.com  Wed Feb 20 18:25:27 2008
From: miyagawa at gmail.com (Tatsuhiko Miyagawa)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:25:27 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] trying to constantize a compiled regex
In-Reply-To: <4c714a9c0802201818j423377m52e4f64eafe677d2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4c714a9c0802201818j423377m52e4f64eafe677d2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <693254b90802201825j5d994207yf999e64a348809b0@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 6:18 PM, David Alban <extasia at extasia.org> wrote:


>  aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa does not match $VAR1 = qr/(?-xism: m{
>  \A [a-f\d]{32} \z }xms )/;
...
>      # an md5sum should match this regular expression
>  Readonly::Scalar my $MD5SUM_RGX => qr{ m{ \A [a-f\d]{32} \z }xms };

Take a look at what perl says. it has "m{ }xms" inside the regexp.
Since it's wrapped in qr{} already, you don't need it.

  Readonly::Scalar my $MD5SUM_RGX => qr{ \A [a-f\d]{32} \z }xms;

should do that.


-- 
Tatsuhiko Miyagawa

From extasia at extasia.org  Wed Feb 20 18:36:41 2008
From: extasia at extasia.org (David Alban)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:36:41 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] trying to constantize a compiled regex
In-Reply-To: <693254b90802201825j5d994207yf999e64a348809b0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4c714a9c0802201818j423377m52e4f64eafe677d2@mail.gmail.com>
	<693254b90802201825j5d994207yf999e64a348809b0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4c714a9c0802201836k489c8086t567e46f86b49f9d9@mail.gmail.com>

heh.  i knew i was missing something.  it's like working with string
all day and forgetting how to tie your shoes.

thanks!!

On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 6:25 PM, Tatsuhiko Miyagawa <miyagawa at gmail.com> wrote:
>  Take a look at what perl says. it has "m{ }xms" inside the regexp.
>  Since it's wrapped in qr{} already, you don't need it.

-- 
Live in a world of your own, but always welcome visitors.

From nheller at silcon.com  Sun Feb 24 10:45:10 2008
From: nheller at silcon.com (Neil Heller)
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 10:45:10 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] Help with a downloaded module
In-Reply-To: <4c714a9c0801062042v2cc92db6nc9c86b45aa33e878@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4c714a9c0612291517y7ce7f52cn5e2f1d7edc9f5b9c@mail.gmail.com>	<4c714a9c0801051909m79035ac5p1d265a5c21c32346@mail.gmail.com>	<000001c8501e$60acfdd0$2206f970$@com>	<4c714a9c0801060753h731872d5sd1341d3df00e39a6@mail.gmail.com>	<001001c850a0$b0e47210$12ad5630$@com>	<8E476DF7-6A26-4ACD-9B56-58EB75B75547@mac.com>	<29F504A3-1BC6-46AB-874C-FF6EC4E7E3F6@nolex.com>	<1E26FF5C-BCA7-11DC-9E67-000A277A733C@light42.com>	<86prwe1qgt.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com>	<E524D23B-BCB6-11DC-9E67-000A277A733C@light42.com>
	<4c714a9c0801062042v2cc92db6nc9c86b45aa33e878@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000301c87715$625279d0$26f76d70$@com>


I'm a relative newbie at Perl.
I downloaded a module, TestReporter.pm, from CPAN.
On my Wintel machine I created a directory, c:\test\TestReporter.
I plopped the module (without change) into that directory and issued a
couple of command line calls.

[begin command line]

C:\test\TestReporter>perl -ver

This is perl, v5.10.0 built for MSWin32-x86-multi-thread
(with 3 registered patches, see perl -V for more detail)

Copyright 1987-2007, Larry Wall

Binary build 1002 [283697] provided by ActiveState
http://www.ActiveState.com
Built Jan 10 2008 11:00:53

Perl may be copied only under the terms of either the Artistic License...


C:\test\TestReporter>perl -c TestReporter.pm
TestReporter.pm syntax OK

C:\test\TestReporter>perl TestReporter.pm

C:\test\TestReporter>

[end command line]

I noticed that near the top of the module there was this line:
    Uses Module::Build::TestReporter

I don't have such a path on my machine.  Shouldn't this report an error of
some kind?

Where can I go from here (and what can I do) to get this module working on
my system.
I tried it at work on (Active State) Perl version 5.8.0 and got all sorts of
errors.
The source code is 349 lines long so I'm not including it here.

I would appreciate any help you could give me.


Neil Heller


From asheesh at asheesh.org  Sun Feb 24 12:10:20 2008
From: asheesh at asheesh.org (Asheesh Laroia)
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 12:10:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [sf-perl] Help with a downloaded module
In-Reply-To: <000301c87715$625279d0$26f76d70$@com>
References: <4c714a9c0612291517y7ce7f52cn5e2f1d7edc9f5b9c@mail.gmail.com>
	<4c714a9c0801051909m79035ac5p1d265a5c21c32346@mail.gmail.com>
	<000001c8501e$60acfdd0$2206f970$@com>
	<4c714a9c0801060753h731872d5sd1341d3df00e39a6@mail.gmail.com>
	<001001c850a0$b0e47210$12ad5630$@com>
	<8E476DF7-6A26-4ACD-9B56-58EB75B75547@mac.com>
	<29F504A3-1BC6-46AB-874C-FF6EC4E7E3F6@nolex.com>
	<1E26FF5C-BCA7-11DC-9E67-000A277A733C@light42.com>
	<86prwe1qgt.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com>
	<E524D23B-BCB6-11DC-9E67-000A277A733C@light42.com>
	<4c714a9c0801062042v2cc92db6nc9c86b45aa33e878@mail.gmail.com>
	<000301c87715$625279d0$26f76d70$@com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.1.00.0802241204310.15535@alchemy.localdomain>

On Sun, 24 Feb 2008, Neil Heller wrote:

>
> I'm a relative newbie at Perl.
> I downloaded a module, TestReporter.pm, from CPAN.
> On my Wintel machine I created a directory, c:\test\TestReporter.
> I plopped the module (without change) into that directory and issued a
> couple of command line calls.

That's not the right way to install CPAN modules.

Do you know about the CPAN shell?  Try this:

perl -MCPAN -e shell

That will give you a prompt at which you can ask it:

install __name__of_module_you_want__

-- Asheesh.

-- 
Do clones have navels?

From nheller at silcon.com  Sun Feb 24 14:06:14 2008
From: nheller at silcon.com (Neil Heller)
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 14:06:14 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] Help with a downloaded module
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.1.00.0802241204310.15535@alchemy.localdomain>
References: <4c714a9c0612291517y7ce7f52cn5e2f1d7edc9f5b9c@mail.gmail.com>	<4c714a9c0801051909m79035ac5p1d265a5c21c32346@mail.gmail.com>	<000001c8501e$60acfdd0$2206f970$@com>	<4c714a9c0801060753h731872d5sd1341d3df00e39a6@mail.gmail.com>	<001001c850a0$b0e47210$12ad5630$@com>	<8E476DF7-6A26-4ACD-9B56-58EB75B75547@mac.com>	<29F504A3-1BC6-46AB-874C-FF6EC4E7E3F6@nolex.com>	<1E26FF5C-BCA7-11DC-9E67-000A277A733C@light42.com>	<86prwe1qgt.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com>	<E524D23B-BCB6-11DC-9E67-000A277A733C@light42.com>	<4c714a9c0801062042v2cc92db6nc9c86b45aa33e878@mail.gmail.com>	<000301c87715$625279d0$26f76d70$@com>
	<alpine.DEB.1.00.0802241204310.15535@alchemy.localdomain>
Message-ID: <000001c87731$78ea4120$6abec360$@com>

Thank you for the help.
I tried installing the file as you mentioned but got only errors.
The transcript follows.  Do you have any feeling for what my trouble may be?

[start install]


C:\test\TestReporter>perl -MCPAN -e shell
Exiting subroutine via last at C:/Perl/lib/CPAN.pm line 1450.

cpan shell -- CPAN exploration and modules installation (v1.9205)
ReadLine support enabled


cpan> install TestReporter.pm
CPAN: Storable loaded ok (v2.18)
Use of uninitialized value $_ in transliteration (tr///) at
C:/Perl/lib/File/Spe
c/Win32.pm line 141.
Use of uninitialized value $_ in pattern match (m//) at
C:/Perl/lib/File/Spec/Wi
n32.pm line 143.
CPAN: LWP::UserAgent loaded ok (v2.036)
CPAN: Time::HiRes loaded ok (v1.9711)
Fetching with LWP:
  http://ppm.activestate.com/CPAN/authors/01mailrc.txt.gz
Going to read C:\Perl\cpan\sources\authors\01mailrc.txt.gz
............................................................................
DONE

Use of uninitialized value $_ in transliteration (tr///) at
C:/Perl/lib/File/Spe
c/Win32.pm line 141.
Use of uninitialized value $_ in pattern match (m//) at
C:/Perl/lib/File/Spec/Wi
n32.pm line 143.
Fetching with LWP:
  http://ppm.activestate.com/CPAN/modules/02packages.details.txt.gz
Going to read C:\Perl\cpan\sources\modules\02packages.details.txt.gz
  Database was generated on Sun, 24 Feb 2008 11:30:42 GMT
............................................................................
DONE

Use of uninitialized value $_ in transliteration (tr///) at
C:/Perl/lib/File/Spe
c/Win32.pm line 141.
Use of uninitialized value $_ in pattern match (m//) at
C:/Perl/lib/File/Spec/Wi
n32.pm line 143.
Fetching with LWP:
  http://ppm.activestate.com/CPAN/modules/03modlist.data.gz
Going to read C:\Perl\cpan\sources\modules\03modlist.data.gz
............................................................................
DONE

Going to write C:\Perl\cpan\Metadata
Warning: Cannot install TestReporter.pm, don't know what it is.
Try the command

    i /TestReporter.pm/

to find objects with matching identifiers.


cpan>

[end install]

Neil Heller

-----Original Message-----
From: sanfrancisco-pm-bounces+nheller=silcon.com at pm.org
[mailto:sanfrancisco-pm-bounces+nheller=silcon.com at pm.org] On Behalf Of
Asheesh Laroia
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 12:10 PM
To: San Francisco Perl Mongers User Group
Subject: Re: [sf-perl] Help with a downloaded module

On Sun, 24 Feb 2008, Neil Heller wrote:

>
> I'm a relative newbie at Perl.
> I downloaded a module, TestReporter.pm, from CPAN.
> On my Wintel machine I created a directory, c:\test\TestReporter.
> I plopped the module (without change) into that directory and issued a
> couple of command line calls.

That's not the right way to install CPAN modules.

Do you know about the CPAN shell?  Try this:

perl -MCPAN -e shell

That will give you a prompt at which you can ask it:

install __name__of_module_you_want__

-- Asheesh.

-- 
Do clones have navels?
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From friedman at highwire.stanford.edu  Sun Feb 24 14:42:47 2008
From: friedman at highwire.stanford.edu (Michael Friedman)
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 14:42:47 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] Help with a downloaded module
In-Reply-To: <000001c87731$78ea4120$6abec360$@com>
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Neil,

CPAN modules don't really stand on their own. They come in packages.  
If you follow CPAN's suggestion and do

cpan> i/TestReporter/
Distribution    C/CH/CHROMATIC/Module-Build-TestReporter-1.00.tar.gz
Module          Module::Build::TestReporter (C/CH/CHROMATIC/Module- 
Build-TestReporter-1.00.tar.gz)
2 items found


That tells you that it's part of "C/CH/CHROMATIC/Module-Build- 
TestReporter-1.00", as "Module::Build::TestReporter". You need that  
full "path" so that CPAN can find the module.

Knowing that, you can ask CPAN to install it by doing

cpan> install Module::Build::TestReporter

which should work better. Note that there are a number of  
prerequisites for this module, so it may start off by loading a pile  
of seemingly unrelated stuff, but it'll get to TestReporter at the end.

-- Mike

On Feb 24, 2008, at 2:06 PM, Neil Heller wrote:

> Thank you for the help.
> I tried installing the file as you mentioned but got only errors.
> The transcript follows.  Do you have any feeling for what my trouble  
> may be?
>
> [start install]
>
>
> C:\test\TestReporter>perl -MCPAN -e shell
> Exiting subroutine via last at C:/Perl/lib/CPAN.pm line 1450.
>
> cpan shell -- CPAN exploration and modules installation (v1.9205)
> ReadLine support enabled
>
>
> cpan> install TestReporter.pm
> CPAN: Storable loaded ok (v2.18)
> Use of uninitialized value $_ in transliteration (tr///) at
> C:/Perl/lib/File/Spe
> c/Win32.pm line 141.
> Use of uninitialized value $_ in pattern match (m//) at
> C:/Perl/lib/File/Spec/Wi
> n32.pm line 143.
> CPAN: LWP::UserAgent loaded ok (v2.036)
> CPAN: Time::HiRes loaded ok (v1.9711)
> Fetching with LWP:
>  http://ppm.activestate.com/CPAN/authors/01mailrc.txt.gz
> Going to read C:\Perl\cpan\sources\authors\01mailrc.txt.gz
> ............................................................................
> DONE
>
> Use of uninitialized value $_ in transliteration (tr///) at
> C:/Perl/lib/File/Spe
> c/Win32.pm line 141.
> Use of uninitialized value $_ in pattern match (m//) at
> C:/Perl/lib/File/Spec/Wi
> n32.pm line 143.
> Fetching with LWP:
>  http://ppm.activestate.com/CPAN/modules/02packages.details.txt.gz
> Going to read C:\Perl\cpan\sources\modules\02packages.details.txt.gz
>  Database was generated on Sun, 24 Feb 2008 11:30:42 GMT
> ............................................................................
> DONE
>
> Use of uninitialized value $_ in transliteration (tr///) at
> C:/Perl/lib/File/Spe
> c/Win32.pm line 141.
> Use of uninitialized value $_ in pattern match (m//) at
> C:/Perl/lib/File/Spec/Wi
> n32.pm line 143.
> Fetching with LWP:
>  http://ppm.activestate.com/CPAN/modules/03modlist.data.gz
> Going to read C:\Perl\cpan\sources\modules\03modlist.data.gz
> ............................................................................
> DONE
>
> Going to write C:\Perl\cpan\Metadata
> Warning: Cannot install TestReporter.pm, don't know what it is.
> Try the command
>
>    i /TestReporter.pm/
>
> to find objects with matching identifiers.
>
>
> cpan>
>
> [end install]
>
> Neil Heller
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sanfrancisco-pm-bounces+nheller=silcon.com at pm.org
> [mailto:sanfrancisco-pm-bounces+nheller=silcon.com at pm.org] On Behalf  
> Of
> Asheesh Laroia
> Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 12:10 PM
> To: San Francisco Perl Mongers User Group
> Subject: Re: [sf-perl] Help with a downloaded module
>
> On Sun, 24 Feb 2008, Neil Heller wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm a relative newbie at Perl.
>> I downloaded a module, TestReporter.pm, from CPAN.
>> On my Wintel machine I created a directory, c:\test\TestReporter.
>> I plopped the module (without change) into that directory and  
>> issued a
>> couple of command line calls.
>
> That's not the right way to install CPAN modules.
>
> Do you know about the CPAN shell?  Try this:
>
> perl -MCPAN -e shell
>
> That will give you a prompt at which you can ask it:
>
> install __name__of_module_you_want__
>
> -- Asheesh.
>
> -- 
> Do clones have navels?
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From: rdm at cfcl.com (Rich Morin)
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 18:21:29 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] BASS Meeting (SF), Wed. February 27
Message-ID: <p06230952c3e7cc3e71bb@[192.168.1.205]>

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From nheller at silcon.com  Sun Feb 24 18:40:39 2008
From: nheller at silcon.com (Neil Heller)
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 18:40:39 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] Help with a downloaded module
In-Reply-To: <F05059BA-B2AE-4A39-B7EC-96E5239A2B86@highwire.stanford.edu>
References: <4c714a9c0612291517y7ce7f52cn5e2f1d7edc9f5b9c@mail.gmail.com>	<4c714a9c0801051909m79035ac5p1d265a5c21c32346@mail.gmail.com>	<000001c8501e$60acfdd0$2206f970$@com>	<4c714a9c0801060753h731872d5sd1341d3df00e39a6@mail.gmail.com>	<001001c850a0$b0e47210$12ad5630$@com>	<8E476DF7-6A26-4ACD-9B56-58EB75B75547@mac.com>	<29F504A3-1BC6-46AB-874C-FF6EC4E7E3F6@nolex.com>	<1E26FF5C-BCA7-11DC-9E67-000A277A733C@light42.com>	<86prwe1qgt.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com>	<E524D23B-BCB6-11DC-9E67-000A277A733C@light42.com>	<4c714a9c0801062042v2cc92db6nc9c86b45aa33e878@mail.gmail.com>	<000301c87715$625279d0$26f76d70$@com>	<alpine.DEB.1.00.0802241204310.15535@alchemy.localdomain>	<000001c87731$78ea4120$6abec360$@com>
	<F05059BA-B2AE-4A39-B7EC-96E5239A2B86@highwire.stanford.edu>
Message-ID: <000001c87757$cf1e2ae0$6d5a80a0$@com>

This is looking promising... I think.
I'll modify the uses Module::Build::TestReporter to make it reflect my path
and then build.
Can you think of anything else off the top of your head?
Will I have to create a Perl/cpan/Metadata path?

Neil Heller
510-862-4387


-----Original Message-----
From: sanfrancisco-pm-bounces+nheller=silcon.com at pm.org
[mailto:sanfrancisco-pm-bounces+nheller=silcon.com at pm.org] On Behalf Of
Michael Friedman
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 2:43 PM
To: San Francisco Perl Mongers User Group
Subject: Re: [sf-perl] Help with a downloaded module

Neil,

CPAN modules don't really stand on their own. They come in packages.  
If you follow CPAN's suggestion and do

cpan> i/TestReporter/
Distribution    C/CH/CHROMATIC/Module-Build-TestReporter-1.00.tar.gz
Module          Module::Build::TestReporter (C/CH/CHROMATIC/Module- 
Build-TestReporter-1.00.tar.gz)
2 items found


That tells you that it's part of "C/CH/CHROMATIC/Module-Build- 
TestReporter-1.00", as "Module::Build::TestReporter". You need that  
full "path" so that CPAN can find the module.

Knowing that, you can ask CPAN to install it by doing

cpan> install Module::Build::TestReporter

which should work better. Note that there are a number of  
prerequisites for this module, so it may start off by loading a pile  
of seemingly unrelated stuff, but it'll get to TestReporter at the end.

-- Mike

On Feb 24, 2008, at 2:06 PM, Neil Heller wrote:

> Thank you for the help.
> I tried installing the file as you mentioned but got only errors.
> The transcript follows.  Do you have any feeling for what my trouble  
> may be?
>
> [start install]
>
>
> C:\test\TestReporter>perl -MCPAN -e shell
> Exiting subroutine via last at C:/Perl/lib/CPAN.pm line 1450.
>
> cpan shell -- CPAN exploration and modules installation (v1.9205)
> ReadLine support enabled
>
>
> cpan> install TestReporter.pm
> CPAN: Storable loaded ok (v2.18)
> Use of uninitialized value $_ in transliteration (tr///) at
> C:/Perl/lib/File/Spe
> c/Win32.pm line 141.
> Use of uninitialized value $_ in pattern match (m//) at
> C:/Perl/lib/File/Spec/Wi
> n32.pm line 143.
> CPAN: LWP::UserAgent loaded ok (v2.036)
> CPAN: Time::HiRes loaded ok (v1.9711)
> Fetching with LWP:
>  http://ppm.activestate.com/CPAN/authors/01mailrc.txt.gz
> Going to read C:\Perl\cpan\sources\authors\01mailrc.txt.gz
>
............................................................................
> DONE
>
> Use of uninitialized value $_ in transliteration (tr///) at
> C:/Perl/lib/File/Spe
> c/Win32.pm line 141.
> Use of uninitialized value $_ in pattern match (m//) at
> C:/Perl/lib/File/Spec/Wi
> n32.pm line 143.
> Fetching with LWP:
>  http://ppm.activestate.com/CPAN/modules/02packages.details.txt.gz
> Going to read C:\Perl\cpan\sources\modules\02packages.details.txt.gz
>  Database was generated on Sun, 24 Feb 2008 11:30:42 GMT
>
............................................................................
> DONE
>
> Use of uninitialized value $_ in transliteration (tr///) at
> C:/Perl/lib/File/Spe
> c/Win32.pm line 141.
> Use of uninitialized value $_ in pattern match (m//) at
> C:/Perl/lib/File/Spec/Wi
> n32.pm line 143.
> Fetching with LWP:
>  http://ppm.activestate.com/CPAN/modules/03modlist.data.gz
> Going to read C:\Perl\cpan\sources\modules\03modlist.data.gz
>
............................................................................
> DONE
>
> Going to write C:\Perl\cpan\Metadata
> Warning: Cannot install TestReporter.pm, don't know what it is.
> Try the command
>
>    i /TestReporter.pm/
>
> to find objects with matching identifiers.
>
>
> cpan>
>
> [end install]
>
> Neil Heller
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sanfrancisco-pm-bounces+nheller=silcon.com at pm.org
> [mailto:sanfrancisco-pm-bounces+nheller=silcon.com at pm.org] On Behalf  
> Of
> Asheesh Laroia
> Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 12:10 PM
> To: San Francisco Perl Mongers User Group
> Subject: Re: [sf-perl] Help with a downloaded module
>
> On Sun, 24 Feb 2008, Neil Heller wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm a relative newbie at Perl.
>> I downloaded a module, TestReporter.pm, from CPAN.
>> On my Wintel machine I created a directory, c:\test\TestReporter.
>> I plopped the module (without change) into that directory and  
>> issued a
>> couple of command line calls.
>
> That's not the right way to install CPAN modules.
>
> Do you know about the CPAN shell?  Try this:
>
> perl -MCPAN -e shell
>
> That will give you a prompt at which you can ask it:
>
> install __name__of_module_you_want__
>
> -- Asheesh.
>
> -- 
> Do clones have navels?
> _______________________________________________
> SanFrancisco-pm mailing list
> SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm
>
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From friedman at highwire.stanford.edu  Mon Feb 25 09:36:24 2008
From: friedman at highwire.stanford.edu (Michael Friedman)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 09:36:24 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] Help with a downloaded module
In-Reply-To: <000001c87757$cf1e2ae0$6d5a80a0$@com>
References: <4c714a9c0612291517y7ce7f52cn5e2f1d7edc9f5b9c@mail.gmail.com>	<4c714a9c0801051909m79035ac5p1d265a5c21c32346@mail.gmail.com>	<000001c8501e$60acfdd0$2206f970$@com>	<4c714a9c0801060753h731872d5sd1341d3df00e39a6@mail.gmail.com>	<001001c850a0$b0e47210$12ad5630$@com>	<8E476DF7-6A26-4ACD-9B56-58EB75B75547@mac.com>	<29F504A3-1BC6-46AB-874C-FF6EC4E7E3F6@nolex.com>	<1E26FF5C-BCA7-11DC-9E67-000A277A733C@light42.com>	<86prwe1qgt.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com>	<E524D23B-BCB6-11DC-9E67-000A277A733C@light42.com>	<4c714a9c0801062042v2cc92db6nc9c86b45aa33e878@mail.gmail.com>	<000301c87715$625279d0$26f76d70$@com>	<alpine.DEB.1.00.0802241204310.15535@alchemy.localdomain>	<000001c87731$78ea4120$6abec360$@com>
	<F05059BA-B2AE-4A39-B7EC-96E5239A2B86@highwire.stanford.edu>
	<000001c87757$cf1e2ae0$6d5a80a0$@com>
Message-ID: <B3622C28-F3DF-485E-B232-FE5794CED977@highwire.stanford.edu>

Neil,

If you load a module using the CPAN module, it will put it in the  
location for shared modules that perl already knows about. Thus, once  
you've installed it, you shouldn't need to change your path or  
anything. Just 'use' the module by its full name:

use Module::Build::TestReporter;

and it should "just work".

(I've never worked with Active State Perl before, but I assume it's  
like every other distribution that way. Someone will correct me if I'm  
wrong, I am sure. :-) )

BTW, did you know that _Beginning Perl_, by Simon Cozens, is available  
free on the web? From your questions, you may find it very helpful to  
read a couple of chapters of it. For example, the chapter on Modules  
covers installing from CPAN and how to "find" a module once you've  
installed it.

http://www.perl.org/books/beginning-perl/
http://blob.perl.org/books/beginning-perl/3145_Chap10.pdf

There's also a great website that gathers up a bunch of resources and  
people who love to help people new to perl. You will find friendly  
folks and lots of FAQ and answers at

http://learn.perl.org/
http://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.beginners/

and I think there's an IRC channel for learning perl too, but I  
haven't used that before.

Good luck!
-- Mike


On Feb 24, 2008, at 6:40 PM, Neil Heller wrote:

> This is looking promising... I think.
> I'll modify the uses Module::Build::TestReporter to make it reflect  
> my path
> and then build.
> Can you think of anything else off the top of your head?
> Will I have to create a Perl/cpan/Metadata path?
>
> Neil Heller
> 510-862-4387
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sanfrancisco-pm-bounces+nheller=silcon.com at pm.org
> [mailto:sanfrancisco-pm-bounces+nheller=silcon.com at pm.org] On Behalf  
> Of
> Michael Friedman
> Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 2:43 PM
> To: San Francisco Perl Mongers User Group
> Subject: Re: [sf-perl] Help with a downloaded module
>
> Neil,
>
> CPAN modules don't really stand on their own. They come in packages.
> If you follow CPAN's suggestion and do
>
> cpan> i/TestReporter/
> Distribution    C/CH/CHROMATIC/Module-Build-TestReporter-1.00.tar.gz
> Module          Module::Build::TestReporter (C/CH/CHROMATIC/Module-
> Build-TestReporter-1.00.tar.gz)
> 2 items found
>
>
> That tells you that it's part of "C/CH/CHROMATIC/Module-Build-
> TestReporter-1.00", as "Module::Build::TestReporter". You need that
> full "path" so that CPAN can find the module.
>
> Knowing that, you can ask CPAN to install it by doing
>
> cpan> install Module::Build::TestReporter
>
> which should work better. Note that there are a number of
> prerequisites for this module, so it may start off by loading a pile
> of seemingly unrelated stuff, but it'll get to TestReporter at the  
> end.
>
> -- Mike
>
> On Feb 24, 2008, at 2:06 PM, Neil Heller wrote:
>
>> Thank you for the help.
>> I tried installing the file as you mentioned but got only errors.
>> The transcript follows.  Do you have any feeling for what my trouble
>> may be?
>>
>> [start install]
>>
>>
>> C:\test\TestReporter>perl -MCPAN -e shell
>> Exiting subroutine via last at C:/Perl/lib/CPAN.pm line 1450.
>>
>> cpan shell -- CPAN exploration and modules installation (v1.9205)
>> ReadLine support enabled
>>
>>
>> cpan> install TestReporter.pm
>> CPAN: Storable loaded ok (v2.18)
>> Use of uninitialized value $_ in transliteration (tr///) at
>> C:/Perl/lib/File/Spe
>> c/Win32.pm line 141.
>> Use of uninitialized value $_ in pattern match (m//) at
>> C:/Perl/lib/File/Spec/Wi
>> n32.pm line 143.
>> CPAN: LWP::UserAgent loaded ok (v2.036)
>> CPAN: Time::HiRes loaded ok (v1.9711)
>> Fetching with LWP:
>> http://ppm.activestate.com/CPAN/authors/01mailrc.txt.gz
>> Going to read C:\Perl\cpan\sources\authors\01mailrc.txt.gz
>>
> ............................................................................
>> DONE
>>
>> Use of uninitialized value $_ in transliteration (tr///) at
>> C:/Perl/lib/File/Spe
>> c/Win32.pm line 141.
>> Use of uninitialized value $_ in pattern match (m//) at
>> C:/Perl/lib/File/Spec/Wi
>> n32.pm line 143.
>> Fetching with LWP:
>> http://ppm.activestate.com/CPAN/modules/02packages.details.txt.gz
>> Going to read C:\Perl\cpan\sources\modules\02packages.details.txt.gz
>> Database was generated on Sun, 24 Feb 2008 11:30:42 GMT
>>
> ............................................................................
>> DONE
>>
>> Use of uninitialized value $_ in transliteration (tr///) at
>> C:/Perl/lib/File/Spe
>> c/Win32.pm line 141.
>> Use of uninitialized value $_ in pattern match (m//) at
>> C:/Perl/lib/File/Spec/Wi
>> n32.pm line 143.
>> Fetching with LWP:
>> http://ppm.activestate.com/CPAN/modules/03modlist.data.gz
>> Going to read C:\Perl\cpan\sources\modules\03modlist.data.gz
>>
> ............................................................................
>> DONE
>>
>> Going to write C:\Perl\cpan\Metadata
>> Warning: Cannot install TestReporter.pm, don't know what it is.
>> Try the command
>>
>>   i /TestReporter.pm/
>>
>> to find objects with matching identifiers.
>>
>>
>> cpan>
>>
>> [end install]
>>
>> Neil Heller
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sanfrancisco-pm-bounces+nheller=silcon.com at pm.org
>> [mailto:sanfrancisco-pm-bounces+nheller=silcon.com at pm.org] On Behalf
>> Of
>> Asheesh Laroia
>> Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 12:10 PM
>> To: San Francisco Perl Mongers User Group
>> Subject: Re: [sf-perl] Help with a downloaded module
>>
>> On Sun, 24 Feb 2008, Neil Heller wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I'm a relative newbie at Perl.
>>> I downloaded a module, TestReporter.pm, from CPAN.
>>> On my Wintel machine I created a directory, c:\test\TestReporter.
>>> I plopped the module (without change) into that directory and
>>> issued a
>>> couple of command line calls.
>>
>> That's not the right way to install CPAN modules.
>>
>> Do you know about the CPAN shell?  Try this:
>>
>> perl -MCPAN -e shell
>>
>> That will give you a prompt at which you can ask it:
>>
>> install __name__of_module_you_want__
>>
>> -- Asheesh.
>>
>> -- 
>> Do clones have navels?
>> _______________________________________________
>> SanFrancisco-pm mailing list
>> SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SanFrancisco-pm mailing list
>> SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm
>
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> Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
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>
>
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From nheller at silcon.com  Mon Feb 25 11:34:09 2008
From: nheller at silcon.com (nheller at silcon.com)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:34:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [sf-perl] Help with a downloaded module
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Thanks for the help so far.
I re-downloaded through CPAN.
I then extracted all the contents into the correct directories.
I noticed that there are two files, Make.pl and Build.pl, in the target
directory.  Can you tell me what these are and what they're for?

I feel like I'm a whole lot closer but have a way to go.

BTW, thanks for the links to Cozens' book.  I'll read the the chapter on
modules next; hopefully that will answer more of my questions.

Neil Heller


> Neil,
>
> If you load a module using the CPAN module, it will put it in the
> location for shared modules that perl already knows about. Thus, once
> you've installed it, you shouldn't need to change your path or
> anything. Just 'use' the module by its full name:
>
> use Module::Build::TestReporter;
>
> and it should "just work".
>
> (I've never worked with Active State Perl before, but I assume it's
> like every other distribution that way. Someone will correct me if I'm
> wrong, I am sure. :-) )
>
> BTW, did you know that _Beginning Perl_, by Simon Cozens, is available
> free on the web? From your questions, you may find it very helpful to
> read a couple of chapters of it. For example, the chapter on Modules
> covers installing from CPAN and how to "find" a module once you've
> installed it.
>
> http://www.perl.org/books/beginning-perl/
> http://blob.perl.org/books/beginning-perl/3145_Chap10.pdf
>
> There's also a great website that gathers up a bunch of resources and
> people who love to help people new to perl. You will find friendly
> folks and lots of FAQ and answers at
>
> http://learn.perl.org/
> http://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.beginners/
>
> and I think there's an IRC channel for learning perl too, but I
> haven't used that before.
>
> Good luck!
> -- Mike
>
>
> On Feb 24, 2008, at 6:40 PM, Neil Heller wrote:
>
>> This is looking promising... I think.
>> I'll modify the uses Module::Build::TestReporter to make it reflect
>> my path
>> and then build.
>> Can you think of anything else off the top of your head?
>> Will I have to create a Perl/cpan/Metadata path?
>>
>> Neil Heller
>> 510-862-4387
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sanfrancisco-pm-bounces+nheller=silcon.com at pm.org
>> [mailto:sanfrancisco-pm-bounces+nheller=silcon.com at pm.org] On Behalf
>> Of
>> Michael Friedman
>> Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 2:43 PM
>> To: San Francisco Perl Mongers User Group
>> Subject: Re: [sf-perl] Help with a downloaded module
>>
>> Neil,
>>
>> CPAN modules don't really stand on their own. They come in packages.
>> If you follow CPAN's suggestion and do
>>
>> cpan> i/TestReporter/
>> Distribution    C/CH/CHROMATIC/Module-Build-TestReporter-1.00.tar.gz
>> Module          Module::Build::TestReporter (C/CH/CHROMATIC/Module-
>> Build-TestReporter-1.00.tar.gz)
>> 2 items found
>>
>>
>> That tells you that it's part of "C/CH/CHROMATIC/Module-Build-
>> TestReporter-1.00", as "Module::Build::TestReporter". You need that
>> full "path" so that CPAN can find the module.
>>
>> Knowing that, you can ask CPAN to install it by doing
>>
>> cpan> install Module::Build::TestReporter
>>
>> which should work better. Note that there are a number of
>> prerequisites for this module, so it may start off by loading a pile
>> of seemingly unrelated stuff, but it'll get to TestReporter at the
>> end.
>>
>> -- Mike
>>
>> On Feb 24, 2008, at 2:06 PM, Neil Heller wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you for the help.
>>> I tried installing the file as you mentioned but got only errors.
>>> The transcript follows.  Do you have any feeling for what my trouble
>>> may be?
>>>
>>> [start install]
>>>
>>>
>>> C:\test\TestReporter>perl -MCPAN -e shell
>>> Exiting subroutine via last at C:/Perl/lib/CPAN.pm line 1450.
>>>
>>> cpan shell -- CPAN exploration and modules installation (v1.9205)
>>> ReadLine support enabled
>>>
>>>
>>> cpan> install TestReporter.pm
>>> CPAN: Storable loaded ok (v2.18)
>>> Use of uninitialized value $_ in transliteration (tr///) at
>>> C:/Perl/lib/File/Spe
>>> c/Win32.pm line 141.
>>> Use of uninitialized value $_ in pattern match (m//) at
>>> C:/Perl/lib/File/Spec/Wi
>>> n32.pm line 143.
>>> CPAN: LWP::UserAgent loaded ok (v2.036)
>>> CPAN: Time::HiRes loaded ok (v1.9711)
>>> Fetching with LWP:
>>> http://ppm.activestate.com/CPAN/authors/01mailrc.txt.gz
>>> Going to read C:\Perl\cpan\sources\authors\01mailrc.txt.gz
>>>
>> ............................................................................
>>> DONE
>>>
>>> Use of uninitialized value $_ in transliteration (tr///) at
>>> C:/Perl/lib/File/Spe
>>> c/Win32.pm line 141.
>>> Use of uninitialized value $_ in pattern match (m//) at
>>> C:/Perl/lib/File/Spec/Wi
>>> n32.pm line 143.
>>> Fetching with LWP:
>>> http://ppm.activestate.com/CPAN/modules/02packages.details.txt.gz
>>> Going to read C:\Perl\cpan\sources\modules\02packages.details.txt.gz
>>> Database was generated on Sun, 24 Feb 2008 11:30:42 GMT
>>>
>> ............................................................................
>>> DONE
>>>
>>> Use of uninitialized value $_ in transliteration (tr///) at
>>> C:/Perl/lib/File/Spe
>>> c/Win32.pm line 141.
>>> Use of uninitialized value $_ in pattern match (m//) at
>>> C:/Perl/lib/File/Spec/Wi
>>> n32.pm line 143.
>>> Fetching with LWP:
>>> http://ppm.activestate.com/CPAN/modules/03modlist.data.gz
>>> Going to read C:\Perl\cpan\sources\modules\03modlist.data.gz
>>>
>> ............................................................................
>>> DONE
>>>
>>> Going to write C:\Perl\cpan\Metadata
>>> Warning: Cannot install TestReporter.pm, don't know what it is.
>>> Try the command
>>>
>>>   i /TestReporter.pm/
>>>
>>> to find objects with matching identifiers.
>>>
>>>
>>> cpan>
>>>
>>> [end install]
>>>
>>> Neil Heller
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: sanfrancisco-pm-bounces+nheller=silcon.com at pm.org
>>> [mailto:sanfrancisco-pm-bounces+nheller=silcon.com at pm.org] On Behalf
>>> Of
>>> Asheesh Laroia
>>> Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 12:10 PM
>>> To: San Francisco Perl Mongers User Group
>>> Subject: Re: [sf-perl] Help with a downloaded module
>>>
>>> On Sun, 24 Feb 2008, Neil Heller wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm a relative newbie at Perl.
>>>> I downloaded a module, TestReporter.pm, from CPAN.
>>>> On my Wintel machine I created a directory, c:\test\TestReporter.
>>>> I plopped the module (without change) into that directory and
>>>> issued a
>>>> couple of command line calls.
>>>
>>> That's not the right way to install CPAN modules.
>>>
>>> Do you know about the CPAN shell?  Try this:
>>>
>>> perl -MCPAN -e shell
>>>
>>> That will give you a prompt at which you can ask it:
>>>
>>> install __name__of_module_you_want__
>>>
>>> -- Asheesh.
>>>
>>> --
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From kenuhl at berkeley.edu  Mon Feb 25 14:05:11 2008
From: kenuhl at berkeley.edu (ken uhl)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 14:05:11 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] handling a list of check boxes
Message-ID: <47C33B97.50600@berkeley.edu>

I am trying to pass checkbox values as hash references to another script 
but all I get is the
first hash reference.  I am wrirting a DELETE from list loop.

What is a clean way to do this. ?

Ken
Berkeley

 

From garth.webb at gmail.com  Mon Feb 25 17:50:51 2008
From: garth.webb at gmail.com (Garth Webb)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 17:50:51 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] handling a list of check boxes
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We need more information; can you attach the script?  If its a long
script, please just attach the shortest working example that still
shows the problem.

Garth

On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 2:05 PM, ken uhl <kenuhl at berkeley.edu> wrote:
> I am trying to pass checkbox values as hash references to another script
>  but all I get is the
>  first hash reference.  I am wrirting a DELETE from list loop.
>
>  What is a clean way to do this. ?
>
>  Ken
>  Berkeley
>
>
>  _______________________________________________
>  SanFrancisco-pm mailing list
>  SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org
>  http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm
>

From doom at kzsu.stanford.edu  Mon Feb 25 17:51:29 2008
From: doom at kzsu.stanford.edu (Joe Brenner)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 17:51:29 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] handling a list of check boxes
In-Reply-To: <47C33B97.50600@berkeley.edu>
References: <47C33B97.50600@berkeley.edu>
Message-ID: <200802260151.m1Q1pTbo010673@kzsu.stanford.edu>


ken uhl <kenuhl at berkeley.edu> wrote:

> I am trying to pass checkbox values as hash references to another script
> but all I get is the
> first hash reference.  I am wrirting a DELETE from list loop.
>
> What is a clean way to do this. ?

Well, passing hash references (or any other complex data structure) is
pretty easy if you're passing them to another subroutine, but if you
really need to pass them to another script, you're going to need to
serialize the data somehow, and then unserialize it on the other side.
One way would be to use YAML, and "Dump" from one script and "Load"
into the other.

If at all possible, you're better off re-writing things as multiple
subroutines running inside of one perl process, though.


From nheller at silcon.com  Tue Feb 26 11:59:16 2008
From: nheller at silcon.com (nheller at silcon.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 11:59:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [sf-perl] Meaning of  an asterisk (*)
Message-ID: <1726.66.93.171.131.1204055956.squirrel@webmail.silcon.com>

I got a few questions about the following snippet of code.
The questions follow the code.
I appreciate any answers I can get.

#! /usr/bin/perl

use strict;
use warnings;

can_ok('SongPlayer', 'new');
.
.
.
can_ok( $song, 'player');

{
    package SongPlayer;
    use subs 'system';
    package main;
    my $fail = 0;
    my @args;

    *SongPlayer::system = sub;
    {
        @args = @_;
        return $fail;
    };

My questions:

1.  What is the meaning of the line "use subs 'system';"?

2.  Why were two package statements used in the space of 3 lines?

3.  What is the meaning of the asterisk in this code?

4.  For that matter, what is the meaning of this entire line, and why are
the lines below it set into a block by braces?


From kenuhl at berkeley.edu  Tue Feb 26 12:04:33 2008
From: kenuhl at berkeley.edu (ken uhl)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 12:04:33 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] handling a list of check boxes (ken uhl) i dont have
 any code ...
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I don't have any code, nor a cleaer understanding of how to do it. . . .

Ken

Berkeley



From kenuhl at berkeley.edu  Tue Feb 26 12:01:16 2008
From: kenuhl at berkeley.edu (ken uhl)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 12:01:16 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] Design help needed with DELETE check box loop
Message-ID: <47C4700C.40708@berkeley.edu>

Is anyone listening?
I am looking for a tutor to help me understand how things work.

If you are an expert, do you remember the time when you were a newbie
and you got all the help you needed to understand how to design and 
write that
application?

Well, I am a newbie, and I am trying to write a complex program and I 
need some
help.  I have posted to several forums I am not getting the level of 
instruction I need to
understand.

I am working with DNS-DB application.  We want to do BULK deletes from 
data base.
So, an html table renders a list of database entries along with a 
checkbox.   We want to
click the checkbox , then render a confirmation page with a 'do you 
really want to
delete? ' message and then click a GO button.
 
Is this even possible in perl?
It seems that I can make checkboxes with unique names for each data record.

How do I pass all the info to the confirmation page?     



Ken
Berkeley

From garth.webb at gmail.com  Tue Feb 26 12:37:34 2008
From: garth.webb at gmail.com (Garth Webb)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 12:37:34 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] Meaning of an asterisk (*)
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On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 11:59 AM,  <nheller at silcon.com> wrote:
> I got a few questions about the following snippet of code.
>  The questions follow the code.
>  I appreciate any answers I can get.
>
>  #! /usr/bin/perl
>
>  use strict;
>  use warnings;
>
>  can_ok('SongPlayer', 'new');
>  .
>  .
>  .
>  can_ok( $song, 'player');
>
>  {
>     package SongPlayer;
>     use subs 'system';
>     package main;
>     my $fail = 0;
>     my @args;
>
>     *SongPlayer::system = sub;
>     {
>         @args = @_;
>         return $fail;
>     };
>
>  My questions:
>
>  1.  What is the meaning of the line "use subs 'system';"?

Its to allow you to override Perl's built-in function names.  In this
case to allow the code to override the 'system' function.

See 'man perlsub'

>  2.  Why were two package statements used in the space of 3 lines?

You can use a package statement to change the code's context.  Global
variables and subroutines are affected by the last package statement.
In this case its making sure that the 'system' function can be
overridden later in code.  I'm not sure why it wasn't overridden while
still in the 'SongPlayer' context.

>  3.  What is the meaning of the asterisk in this code?

Its called a typeglob, see 'man perldata'.  It basically makes an
alias to the name given just after the asterisk to what its being
assigned to.

>  4.  For that matter, what is the meaning of this entire line, and why are
>  the lines below it set into a block by braces?

This is a bug.  The code meant to define an anonymous subroutine that
does stuff (and then gets aliased as 'system' in the 'SongPlayer'
package), but the semicolon after 'sub' creates an empty anonymous
subroutine that does nothing, plus a section of code that will be run
at the end of the script (rather than when it gets called).

Garth

From garth.webb at gmail.com  Tue Feb 26 12:55:26 2008
From: garth.webb at gmail.com (Garth Webb)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 12:55:26 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] Design help needed with DELETE check box loop
In-Reply-To: <47C4700C.40708@berkeley.edu>
References: <47C4700C.40708@berkeley.edu>
Message-ID: <c0d982e10802261255l45b34587ubc0ef8e05c9d821e@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 12:01 PM, ken uhl <kenuhl at berkeley.edu> wrote:
> Is anyone listening?
>  I am looking for a tutor to help me understand how things work.
>
>  If you are an expert, do you remember the time when you were a newbie
>  and you got all the help you needed to understand how to design and
>  write that
>  application?

When I was a newbie, I read a books on Perl and found examples on the
the web.  I experimented with my own code and when I ran into a
problem that I couldn't solve on my own (or by searching mailing list
archives for people with similar problems) I posted the code I tried,
and asked specific questions about what my program was doing wrong.  I
never yelled at a list if I didn't get an answer in a day;  I figured
that I had not phrased my question correctly, or that nobody on the
list had a good answer.  I realized that everyone reads and responds
in their spare time.

Everything you have asked about is entirely possible to do in Perl and
people do these things every day.  However the way you have asked the
question (and lacking any code) the only way anyone could answer would
be to write the application for you.  Nobody is going to write your
application for you, and you won't get any help unless you've shown
that you've at least done some basic investigation on your own.

Michael Friedman recently posted some good links and books for people
new to Perl.

  http://www.perl.org/books/beginning-perl/
  http://learn.perl.org/
  http://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.beginners/

I would suggest checking these out first and experimenting on your own
with what you learn.  If you have specific questions with Perl
examples you can include, I'm sure you'll get a more satisfactory
response from the list.

Garth Webb


>  Well, I am a newbie, and I am trying to write a complex program and I
>  need some
>  help.  I have posted to several forums I am not getting the level of
>  instruction I need to
>  understand.
>
>  I am working with DNS-DB application.  We want to do BULK deletes from
>  data base.
>  So, an html table renders a list of database entries along with a
>  checkbox.   We want to
>  click the checkbox , then render a confirmation page with a 'do you
>  really want to
>  delete? ' message and then click a GO button.
>
>  Is this even possible in perl?
>  It seems that I can make checkboxes with unique names for each data record.
>
>  How do I pass all the info to the confirmation page?
>
>
>
>  Ken
>  Berkeley
>  _______________________________________________
>  SanFrancisco-pm mailing list
>  SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org
>  http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm
>

From biztos at mac.com  Tue Feb 26 12:56:15 2008
From: biztos at mac.com (frosty)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 12:56:15 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] Design help needed with DELETE check box loop
In-Reply-To: <47C4700C.40708@berkeley.edu>
References: <47C4700C.40708@berkeley.edu>
Message-ID: <C57B4B56-0118-1000-8D0C-A3673B5A8F13-Webmail-10025@mac.com>

Ken, this list is not your personal help desk.  Most of us, newbies and experts alike, have busy lives and contribute to the list as time allows.  If you need on-demand application design services, there are people you can hire to do that for you.

It sounds like you're trying to figure out how to write a simple Web application in Perl.  This is not only possible, it's quite practical; much of the Web is built on Perl and there are many ways to go about it.

For starters, you should read about Perl's CGI module:

http://perldoc.perl.org/CGI.html

You will also need to talk to your database if you want to bulk-delete anything, and for that you will need the Perl DBI, or something higher-level that uses it:

http://search.cpan.org/~timb/DBI-1.602/DBI.pm

At this point it gets more complicated, since you will have to know a bit about databases in order for anything to work.  You (or your sysadmin) may need to install the DBI module and the drivers for your system.

As you move forward, you should consider working with a framework that does some of the work for you, like HTML::Mason or Catalyst MVC.

http://www.masonhq.com/

http://catalyst.perl.org/

Catalyst in particular may be a good choice for a beginner as it really does a *lot* of the work for you.

I also recommend reading a good introductory Perl book, like "Learning Perl" from O'Reilly:

http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/lperl3/

Once you have read that book and poked around a little, you will be able to ask more specific questions from this list and also on perlmonks, which is another great place to get help:

http://www.perlmonks.org/

Good luck.

-- frosty



On Tuesday, February 26, 2008, at 12:28PM, "ken uhl" <kenuhl at berkeley.edu> wrote:
>Is anyone listening?
>I am looking for a tutor to help me understand how things work.
>
>If you are an expert, do you remember the time when you were a newbie
>and you got all the help you needed to understand how to design and 
>write that
>application?
>
>Well, I am a newbie, and I am trying to write a complex program and I 
>need some
>help.  I have posted to several forums I am not getting the level of 
>instruction I need to
>understand.
>
>I am working with DNS-DB application.  We want to do BULK deletes from 
>data base.
>So, an html table renders a list of database entries along with a 
>checkbox.   We want to
>click the checkbox , then render a confirmation page with a 'do you 
>really want to
>delete? ' message and then click a GO button.
> 
>Is this even possible in perl?
>It seems that I can make checkboxes with unique names for each data record.
>
>How do I pass all the info to the confirmation page?     
>
>
>
>Ken
>Berkeley
>_______________________________________________
>SanFrancisco-pm mailing list
>SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org
>http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm
>
>

From nheller at silcon.com  Tue Feb 26 13:07:21 2008
From: nheller at silcon.com (nheller at silcon.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 13:07:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [sf-perl] Meaning of an asterisk (*)
In-Reply-To: <c0d982e10802261237pba34cc5v82de5f90c6e3c4c9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1726.66.93.171.131.1204055956.squirrel@webmail.silcon.com>
	<c0d982e10802261237pba34cc5v82de5f90c6e3c4c9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1792.66.93.171.131.1204060041.squirrel@webmail.silcon.com>


Thank you for your response.
You said that the final block of code was an error.
How would you change it so that it is well-written?


>>  can_ok( $song, 'player');
>>
>>  {
>>     package SongPlayer;
>>     use subs 'system';
>>     package main;
>>     my $fail = 0;
>>     my @args;
>>
>>     *SongPlayer::system = sub;
>>     {
>>         @args = @_;
>>         return $fail;
>>     };
>>

>>  4.  For that matter, what is the meaning of this entire line, and why
>> are
>>  the lines below it set into a block by braces?
>
> This is a bug.  The code meant to define an anonymous subroutine that
> does stuff (and then gets aliased as 'system' in the 'SongPlayer'
> package), but the semicolon after 'sub' creates an empty anonymous
> subroutine that does nothing, plus a section of code that will be run
> at the end of the script (rather than when it gets called).
>
> Garth


From rjray at blackperl.com  Tue Feb 26 13:13:37 2008
From: rjray at blackperl.com (Randy J. Ray)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 13:13:37 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] Meaning of an asterisk (*)
In-Reply-To: <1792.66.93.171.131.1204060041.squirrel@webmail.silcon.com>
References: <1726.66.93.171.131.1204055956.squirrel@webmail.silcon.com>	<c0d982e10802261237pba34cc5v82de5f90c6e3c4c9@mail.gmail.com>
	<1792.66.93.171.131.1204060041.squirrel@webmail.silcon.com>
Message-ID: <47C48101.8030406@blackperl.com>

nheller at silcon.com wrote:
> Thank you for your response.
> You said that the final block of code was an error.
> How would you change it so that it is well-written?

He mentioned the problem-- there shouldn't be a semi-colon (';') immediately
after the word 'sub'. It should be:

	*SongPlayer::system = sub
        {
            @args = @_;
            return $fail;
        };

(It might be clearer if the opening brace were on the same line as "sub"...)

-- 
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Silicon Valley Scale Modelers: http://www.svsm.org

From merlyn at stonehenge.com  Tue Feb 26 14:25:30 2008
From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:25:30 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] handling a list of check boxes (ken uhl) i dont have
	any code ...
In-Reply-To: <47C470D1.1020103@berkeley.edu> (ken uhl's message of "Tue,
	26 Feb 2008 12:04:33 -0800")
References: <mailman.41.1204056045.31128.sanfrancisco-pm@pm.org>
	<47C470D1.1020103@berkeley.edu>
Message-ID: <86oda38ied.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com>

>>>>> "ken" == ken uhl <kenuhl at berkeley.edu> writes:

ken> I don't have any code, nor a cleaer understanding of how to do it. . . .

Might be a time to:

(a) take a class in Perl
(b) read a book or two or ten
(c) if you can't afford the time to do A or B, hire a smarter person.

-- 
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From matt at cloudfactory.org  Tue Feb 26 14:37:12 2008
From: matt at cloudfactory.org (Matthew Lanier)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:37:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [sf-perl] history reminder
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0802261435410.18436@aurora.cloudfactory.org>


hey folks-

just a reminder as to why this list was founded: because i, as a perl 
n00b, was flamed one too many times by tom whatever his name is on 
comp.lang.perl.misc.

so lets be nice to our n00b$, as they are the future workforce.

that is all.  resume your discussions...

m@

-- 

Matthew D. P. K. Strelchun-Lanier
matt at cloudfactory.org
http://www.bearlywornpacifica.com

From bh1 at light42.com  Tue Feb 26 15:14:59 2008
From: bh1 at light42.com (Brian Hamlin)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 15:14:59 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] history reminder
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0802261435410.18436@aurora.cloudfactory.org>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0802261435410.18436@aurora.cloudfactory.org>
Message-ID: <A65C0041-E4C0-11DC-8E7C-000A277A733C@light42.com>

thats why I am here, too



On Feb 26, 2008, at 2:37 PM, Matthew Lanier wrote:

>
> hey folks-
>
> just a reminder as to why this list was founded: because i, as a perl
> n00b, was flamed one too many times by tom whatever his name is on
> comp.lang.perl.misc.
>
> so lets be nice to our n00b$, as they are the future workforce.
>
> that is all.  resume your discussions...
>
> m@
>
> -- 
>
> Matthew D. P. K. Strelchun-Lanier
> matt at cloudfactory.org
> http://www.bearlywornpacifica.com
> _______________________________________________
> SanFrancisco-pm mailing list
> SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm


From kenuhl at berkeley.edu  Tue Feb 26 16:42:00 2008
From: kenuhl at berkeley.edu (ken uhl)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 16:42:00 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] Bulk Delete  check boxes
In-Reply-To: <mailman.2651.1204064771.19430.sanfrancisco-pm@pm.org>
References: <mailman.2651.1204064771.19430.sanfrancisco-pm@pm.org>
Message-ID: <47C4B1D8.7020205@berkeley.edu>

Hi,
maybe this will illustrate what I am trying to do:



shebang perl -
#

# BULK_delete.pl


use CGI;
  my $sq = new CGI;

use DBI;
  my $db = new DBI;

# code snipped from library module

    my $db_query = "select * from table";   
    my $dbh = $db->pepare($db_query);
    my @db_queryresults = $dbh execute();

# render the DB query to HTML table
     my @lines ; # array for print


 for my $db_line (@db_queryresults) { 
# get the table row id from results
    $hrowid = @db_queryresults->[4];

# make a uniquely named check box
    my $be_bad =   $sq->checkbox( -name => "bulkdeleteHost_$hrowid", 
-checked => 0, -value => "FALSE", -label => " Bulk  Delete ") ;

#   append check box to html table
push(@lines, $sq->td($be_bad) );

# append some other data from table to display
       
push(@lines, $sq->td(@db_queryresults->[2] ));


print @lines;

...

#   from library
   1708 sub _dnsURL {
   1709   my $q = shift;        # CGI handle
   1710   my $dir = shift;      # CGI subdirectory
   1711   my $script = shift;   # script to run
   1712   my $qparam = shift;   # hasref to additional named CGI params
   1713
   1714   my $sq = new CGI;
   1715   $sq->delete_all;
   1716   $sq->param(-name => 'AWSAuthToken', -value => 
$q->param('AWSAuthToken'));
   1717   $sq->param(-name => 'AWSSignatureBase64',
   1718       -value => $q->param('AWSSignatureBase64'));
   1719
   1720   foreach (keys %$qparam) {
   1721       $sq->param(-name => $_, -value => $qparam->{$_});
   1722   }
   1723
   1724   return "/cgi-bin/dns-db/" . "$dir/$script?" . 
$sq->query_string;    
   1725 }


# ------------------------------


Question :

This displays HTML table of data base rows with Bulk Delete check box.

how do I render a confirmation page of just the selected records?

Should I do this in the same CGI  script, or pass all the data to 
another script?

I looked at CGI::checkbox_goup  as a means to parse all the values,do I
need another action /submit button to drive that ?

Ken
berkeley



From matt at cloudfactory.org  Tue Feb 26 17:55:35 2008
From: matt at cloudfactory.org (Matthew Lanier)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 17:55:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [sf-perl] Bulk Delete  check boxes
In-Reply-To: <47C4B1D8.7020205@berkeley.edu>
References: <mailman.2651.1204064771.19430.sanfrancisco-pm@pm.org>
	<47C4B1D8.7020205@berkeley.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0802261754360.18436@aurora.cloudfactory.org>

Hi Ken-

(I'm not replying on the technicalities of your request, more on the 
format).

In the future, the content of this message below is much more in line with 
what is required when asking a technical question of the sfpug.  I think 
sufficient information is present at this point.

thanks-

m@

  On Tue, 26 Feb 2008, ken 
uhl wrote:

> Hi,
> maybe this will illustrate what I am trying to do:
>
>
>
> shebang perl -
> #
>
> # BULK_delete.pl
>
>
> use CGI;
>  my $sq = new CGI;
>
> use DBI;
>  my $db = new DBI;
>
> # code snipped from library module
>
>    my $db_query = "select * from table";
>    my $dbh = $db->pepare($db_query);
>    my @db_queryresults = $dbh execute();
>
> # render the DB query to HTML table
>     my @lines ; # array for print
>
>
> for my $db_line (@db_queryresults) {
> # get the table row id from results
>    $hrowid = @db_queryresults->[4];
>
> # make a uniquely named check box
>    my $be_bad =   $sq->checkbox( -name => "bulkdeleteHost_$hrowid",
> -checked => 0, -value => "FALSE", -label => " Bulk  Delete ") ;
>
> #   append check box to html table
> push(@lines, $sq->td($be_bad) );
>
> # append some other data from table to display
>
> push(@lines, $sq->td(@db_queryresults->[2] ));
>
>
> print @lines;
>
> ...
>
> #   from library
>   1708 sub _dnsURL {
>   1709   my $q = shift;        # CGI handle
>   1710   my $dir = shift;      # CGI subdirectory
>   1711   my $script = shift;   # script to run
>   1712   my $qparam = shift;   # hasref to additional named CGI params
>   1713
>   1714   my $sq = new CGI;
>   1715   $sq->delete_all;
>   1716   $sq->param(-name => 'AWSAuthToken', -value =>
> $q->param('AWSAuthToken'));
>   1717   $sq->param(-name => 'AWSSignatureBase64',
>   1718       -value => $q->param('AWSSignatureBase64'));
>   1719
>   1720   foreach (keys %$qparam) {
>   1721       $sq->param(-name => $_, -value => $qparam->{$_});
>   1722   }
>   1723
>   1724   return "/cgi-bin/dns-db/" . "$dir/$script?" .
> $sq->query_string;
>   1725 }
>
>
> # ------------------------------
>
>
> Question :
>
> This displays HTML table of data base rows with Bulk Delete check box.
>
> how do I render a confirmation page of just the selected records?
>
> Should I do this in the same CGI  script, or pass all the data to
> another script?
>
> I looked at CGI::checkbox_goup  as a means to parse all the values,do I
> need another action /submit button to drive that ?
>
> Ken
> berkeley
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SanFrancisco-pm mailing list
> SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm
>

-- 

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matt at cloudfactory.org
http://www.bearlywornpacifica.com

From friedman at highwire.stanford.edu  Tue Feb 26 22:25:08 2008
From: friedman at highwire.stanford.edu (Michael Friedman)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 22:25:08 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] Bulk Delete  check boxes
In-Reply-To: <47C4B1D8.7020205@berkeley.edu>
References: <mailman.2651.1204064771.19430.sanfrancisco-pm@pm.org>
	<47C4B1D8.7020205@berkeley.edu>
Message-ID: <1A3BCD53-10C0-4B21-B35A-13699950586B@highwire.stanford.edu>

Ken,

What I've done to handle lists like this using CGI is to name all the  
checkboxes the same thing, but give them different values. Then when  
you read the param back from CGI, you get an array of the values of  
those boxes. (You still set 'checked' status to determine how they  
will look on the HTML page.)

As for if you return to the same CGI script or a different one, that  
depends a lot on your personal style. In my office, we have some  
people who prefer one large, multi-faceted script and others who  
prefer several smaller single-focus scripts.

I prefer several specific scripts, as I find them easier to maintain,  
but most of my "working" code is in modules anyway. Each of those  
scripts is merely a wrapper that reads the CGI input, converts it to  
parameters and calls module functions that do the "real" work.

In fact, I've used a CGI script that was a generic "confirmation  
page". It took as POST fields the list of strings to display, the name  
of the OK and Cancel buttons, and the URL of the script to send the  
form output to once the user had confirmed their action.  
Unfortunately, it's University property and I can't share it in full,  
but you can probably build a script like that in relatively short  
order if it would fill your needs.

The flow of this system looks like: (monospaced font works best)

         display     confirm     delete
         table       action      rows
           |            |         |
--------->|            |         |
           |            |         |
<---------|            |         |
(pick rows)            |         |
---------------------->|         |
                        |         |
<----------------------|         |
(yes I'm sure)                   |
-------------------------------->|
                                  |
<--------------------------------|

where:
"display table" is a CGI script that reads the DB and displays the  
table, with checkboxes.

"confirm action" is the action attribute on the form returned by  
"display table". It reads the checked boxes and produces a page  
listing only the ones you've checked with an "Are you sure?" button.

"delete rows" is the action attribute on the confirmation form and  
actually does the deleting.

Be sure that all the data you need to delete the rows is present in  
the returned page from the "confirm action" script. Otherwise you'll  
get to "delete rows" and won't know what to delete. For this it's  
often helpful to use hidden form fields.

*BIG GIANT SECURITY WARNING* Passing information around in form fields  
like this is inherently insecure. If you care about someone tapping  
into the middle of the pipe and deleting rows maliciously, you  
probably want to look into another solution. One such solution is a  
session-tracking db. Another is Continuity. For internal applications,  
you usually don't care about someone hacking the app, as they could  
just mangle the db directly anyway. :-)

     http://search.cpan.org/~awwaiid/Continuity-0.97/lib/Continuity.pm


Good luck!
-- Mike


On Feb 26, 2008, at 4:42 PM, ken uhl wrote:

> Hi,
> maybe this will illustrate what I am trying to do:
>
>
>
> shebang perl -
> #
>
> # BULK_delete.pl
>
>
> use CGI;
> my $sq = new CGI;
>
> use DBI;
> my $db = new DBI;
>
> # code snipped from library module
>
>    my $db_query = "select * from table";
>    my $dbh = $db->pepare($db_query);
>    my @db_queryresults = $dbh execute();
>
> # render the DB query to HTML table
>     my @lines ; # array for print
>
>
> for my $db_line (@db_queryresults) {
> # get the table row id from results
>    $hrowid = @db_queryresults->[4];
>
> # make a uniquely named check box
>    my $be_bad =   $sq->checkbox( -name => "bulkdeleteHost_$hrowid",
> -checked => 0, -value => "FALSE", -label => " Bulk  Delete ") ;
>
> #   append check box to html table
> push(@lines, $sq->td($be_bad) );
>
> # append some other data from table to display
>
> push(@lines, $sq->td(@db_queryresults->[2] ));
>
>
> print @lines;
>
> ...
>
> #   from library
>   1708 sub _dnsURL {
>   1709   my $q = shift;        # CGI handle
>   1710   my $dir = shift;      # CGI subdirectory
>   1711   my $script = shift;   # script to run
>   1712   my $qparam = shift;   # hasref to additional named CGI params
>   1713
>   1714   my $sq = new CGI;
>   1715   $sq->delete_all;
>   1716   $sq->param(-name => 'AWSAuthToken', -value =>
> $q->param('AWSAuthToken'));
>   1717   $sq->param(-name => 'AWSSignatureBase64',
>   1718       -value => $q->param('AWSSignatureBase64'));
>   1719
>   1720   foreach (keys %$qparam) {
>   1721       $sq->param(-name => $_, -value => $qparam->{$_});
>   1722   }
>   1723
>   1724   return "/cgi-bin/dns-db/" . "$dir/$script?" .
> $sq->query_string;
>   1725 }
>
>
> # ------------------------------
>
>
> Question :
>
> This displays HTML table of data base rows with Bulk Delete check box.
>
> how do I render a confirmation page of just the selected records?
>
> Should I do this in the same CGI  script, or pass all the data to
> another script?
>
> I looked at CGI::checkbox_goup  as a means to parse all the  
> values,do I
> need another action /submit button to drive that ?
>
> Ken
> berkeley
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SanFrancisco-pm mailing list
> SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm

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From nheller at silcon.com  Thu Feb 28 11:15:40 2008
From: nheller at silcon.com (nheller at silcon.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 11:15:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [sf-perl] Return from a function
Message-ID: <1394.66.93.171.131.1204226140.squirrel@webmail.silcon.com>


I have an idea in my head that's obviously incorrect.
Maybe its a mental block but I can't even think of where to look for an
answer.  If the answer is obvious could y'all just say it but I would
appreciate getting a keyword or referrence topic for my use later.

[question]

I was always under the assumption that Perl (like C) returns a single
value from a function.  I seems like this is not true as it looks like the
following function returns 3 values.  How could this be?

my ($a, $b, $c);
my ($paramA, $paramB);

($a, $b, $c0 = &someFunc($paramA, $paramB);

[/question]


From ds94103 at earthlink.net  Thu Feb 28 11:24:28 2008
From: ds94103 at earthlink.net (David Scott)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 11:24:28 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] Return from a function
In-Reply-To: <1394.66.93.171.131.1204226140.squirrel@webmail.silcon.com>
References: <1394.66.93.171.131.1204226140.squirrel@webmail.silcon.com>
Message-ID: <47C70A6C.3030609@earthlink.net>

It just does.  It's part of Perl.  Functions can return in either scalar 
or list context.  The place to look for an answer is in just about any 
Perl book.

Also, you don't need the & to call a function (at least, not in Perl 5, 
which came out about 12 years ago).

d

nheller at silcon.com wrote:
> I have an idea in my head that's obviously incorrect.
> Maybe its a mental block but I can't even think of where to look for an
> answer.  If the answer is obvious could y'all just say it but I would
> appreciate getting a keyword or referrence topic for my use later.
>
> [question]
>
> I was always under the assumption that Perl (like C) returns a single
> value from a function.  I seems like this is not true as it looks like the
> following function returns 3 values.  How could this be?
>
> my ($a, $b, $c);
> my ($paramA, $paramB);
>
> ($a, $b, $c0 = &someFunc($paramA, $paramB);
>
> [/question]
>
> _______________________________________________
> SanFrancisco-pm mailing list
> SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm
>
>
>   



From extasia at extasia.org  Thu Feb 28 11:24:48 2008
From: extasia at extasia.org (David Alban)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 11:24:48 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] Return from a function
In-Reply-To: <1394.66.93.171.131.1204226140.squirrel@webmail.silcon.com>
References: <1394.66.93.171.131.1204226140.squirrel@webmail.silcon.com>
Message-ID: <4c714a9c0802281124q7a67f71dy64558a09c9da0deb@mail.gmail.com>

the perlsub man page is helpful in this area.

On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 11:15 AM,  <nheller at silcon.com> wrote:
>  I have an idea in my head that's obviously incorrect.
>  Maybe its a mental block but I can't even think of where to look for an
>  answer.  If the answer is obvious could y'all just say it but I would
>  appreciate getting a keyword or referrence topic for my use later.
>
>  [question]
>
>  I was always under the assumption that Perl (like C) returns a single
>  value from a function.  I seems like this is not true as it looks like the
>  following function returns 3 values.  How could this be?
>
>  my ($a, $b, $c);
>  my ($paramA, $paramB);
>
>  ($a, $b, $c0 = &someFunc($paramA, $paramB);
>
>  [/question]

-- 
Live in a world of your own, but always welcome visitors.

From quinn at fairpath.com  Thu Feb 28 11:28:48 2008
From: quinn at fairpath.com (Quinn Weaver)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 11:28:48 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] Return from a function
In-Reply-To: <1394.66.93.171.131.1204226140.squirrel@webmail.silcon.com>
References: <1394.66.93.171.131.1204226140.squirrel@webmail.silcon.com>
Message-ID: <20080228192848.GA53190@fu.funkspiel.org>

On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 11:15:40AM -0800, nheller at silcon.com wrote:
> 
> I have an idea in my head that's obviously incorrect.
> Maybe its a mental block but I can't even think of where to look for an
> answer.  If the answer is obvious could y'all just say it but I would
> appreciate getting a keyword or referrence topic for my use later.
> 
> [question]
> 
> I was always under the assumption that Perl (like C) returns a single
> value from a function.  I seems like this is not true as it looks like the
> following function returns 3 values.  How could this be?
> 
> my ($a, $b, $c);
> my ($paramA, $paramB);

Hi, Neil,

Good observation.  In fact, Perl _can_ return multiple values.  They come
back to the caller in a list.  So something like this is possible:

sub parse_tuple {
    my ($text) = @_;
    ...
    return ($variable_name, $value, $separator);
}

my ($var, $val, $sep) = parse_tuple('name=Neil');
# or...
my @results = parse_tuple('name=Neil');

Another way to achieve the same thing is to return a reference to an array.
This is more the C style of doing things.  That code would look like this:

sub parse_tuple {
    my ($text) = @_;
    ...
    my @retval = ($variable_name, $value, $separator);
    return \@retval;
    # More compact variants are possible, but they may be hard to read.
}

my $results_array_ref = parse_tuple('name=Neil');
my @results_array = @$results_array_ref;
my ($var, $val, $sep) = @results_array;
# Again, more compact variants are possible, but they may be hard to read.

Overall, the first method (with actual lists, not references) is easier to
code and read, and the performance difference is miniscule.  So this is one
place where Perl makes your life easier than C, IMO.

-- 
Quinn Weaver, independent contractor  |  President, San Francisco Perl Mongers
http://fairpath.com/quinn/resume/     |  http://sf.pm.org/
510-520-5217

From merlyn at stonehenge.com  Thu Feb 28 11:23:49 2008
From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 11:23:49 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] Return from a function
In-Reply-To: <1394.66.93.171.131.1204226140.squirrel@webmail.silcon.com>
	(nheller@silcon.com's message of "Thu,
	28 Feb 2008 11:15:40 -0800 (PST)")
References: <1394.66.93.171.131.1204226140.squirrel@webmail.silcon.com>
Message-ID: <86prug28ca.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com>

>>>>> "nheller" == nheller  <nheller at silcon.com> writes:

nheller> I was always under the assumption that Perl (like C) returns a single
nheller> value from a function.  I seems like this is not true as it looks
nheller> like the following function returns 3 values.  How could this be?

You might have got this impression from the early Learning Perl editions,
where we never show a list-context return because it wasn't needed for any of
the exercises.

But in fact, the last expression evaluated in the subroutine is evaluated in
the context of the caller, so if you're assigning it to a literal list, or
perhaps an array variable, then a list of values will be returned.

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From afife at untangle.com  Thu Feb 28 12:11:14 2008
From: afife at untangle.com (Andrew Fife)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 12:11:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [sf-perl] Donating 500 F/OSS Computers to Schools (SATURDAY)
Message-ID: <006001c87a46$283524d0$0200a8c0@Untangle.local>

We're trying to donate 500 Ubuntu computers to SF Bay Area schools this
SATURDAY... and we need your help! 

Can you lend a hand by volunteering to install Ubuntu?  Signup to
volunteer at one of the four locations (San Francisco, San Mateo, Berkeley
or Novato) here: 

  http://wiki.untangle.com/index.php/Installfest 

===================
Installfest Details
===================
Untangle and the ACCRC refurbishing hundreds of older/discarded computers
that the ACCRC has collected with Ubuntu and donating them to Northern
California schools.  We need support from the F/OSS community to help with
the installs.  We have automated as much of the install as possible so
anyone can help regardless of their experience level. Of course we'll get
our share of error messages so we need gurus also!  ...And the Mozilla
Foundation is bringing pizza & schwag to each location!  Thanks Mozilla! 

Installfest for Schools homepage: 

  http://www.untangle.com/installfest 

================================================== 
Not in the Bay Area the but still want to help????   
==================================================
Help get the word out by blogging about it, Digg it or Slashdot it: 

http://slashdot.org/bookmark.pl?url=http://www.untangle.com/installfest 

http://www.digg.com/submit?url=http://www.untangle.com/installfest&phase=2


======================
Why the event is cool: 
======================
  -Helps spread F/OSS (Ubuntu, Firefox, OpenOffice & more) 

  -Helps bridges the Digital Divide with underprivileged users 

  -Keeps toxic computer equipment out of landfills (Aprox 25,000 pounds) 

  -Is a cool community effort 

Thanks in advance for your help! 

-Andrew


----------------------------------------
Andrew Fife
Untangle - Open Source Security Gateway
download.untangle.com

650.425.3327 (O)
415.806.6028 (C)
afife at untangle.com 


From quinn at fairpath.com  Fri Feb 29 17:05:33 2008
From: quinn at fairpath.com (Quinn Weaver)
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 17:05:33 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] The Perl College
Message-ID: <20080301010533.GA65885@fu.funkspiel.org>

Just got this.  I can't vouch for the quality one way or another, but
it's interesting news.

----- Forwarded message from Uri Guttman <uri at stemsystems.com> -----

Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 16:29:44 -0500
From: Uri Guttman <uri at stemsystems.com>
To: pm_groups at pm.org
Subject: [pm_groups] Introducing The Perl College


hi all pm leaders,

please forward to your local pm lists if you deem it appropriate.

thanx,

uri


What is the Perl College?

	The Perl College is a creative merger of job training and job
	fairs. Here are its primary goals:

	* Provide free top quality training to qualified
	  junior level Perl developers
	* Improve their Perl skills to the intermediate level
	* Match the new graduates with Perl jobs in the hiring companies
	* http://perlhunter.com/college.html

	The Perl College was created to address these issues in
	recruiting Perl coders:

	* A shortage of intermediate level Perl developers
	* A surplus of junior level Perl developers
	* Some are not developing Perl full time
	* Many are looking for a career developing Perl but can't get
	  needed training and experience
	* Companies lacking the resources to train Perl developers

	We are currently seeking both sponsors and students for this
	unique education/recruitment opportunity.

Hiring Sponsors: Thirty great applicants - cheap!

	Imagine how much it would cost in both time and money to find
	and train a qualified applicant for your Perl jobs. The Perl
	College dramatically improves the efficiency of this process by
	pre-screening and accepting only the most motivated
	students. Then we take it one step further. We take those
	already highly motivated students and train them up to a solid
	intermediate level of Perl skills. Efficiency, cost
	effectiveness and quality results - what could be better for
	your Perl recruitment needs?

Student Candidates: Put yourself ahead of the competition.

	If selected you will have a week of free training from Damian
	Conway (valued at $3000). Plus you will exposed to employers who
	are actively seeking intermediate level Perl developers.
	Competition to get in will be fierce so put your best foot
	forward. Don't wait to apply as we will take only the thirty
	most qualified students.

For more information on The Perl College, and how to apply to be a
sponsor or a student go to these pages:

	http://perlhunter.com/college.html
	http://perlhunter.com/sponsors.html
	http://perlhunter.com/students.html

Thanks,

Uri Guttman, Dean of The Perl College

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From doom at kzsu.stanford.edu  Fri Feb 29 17:42:18 2008
From: doom at kzsu.stanford.edu (Joe Brenner)
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 17:42:18 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] The Perl College
In-Reply-To: <20080301010533.GA65885@fu.funkspiel.org>
References: <20080301010533.GA65885@fu.funkspiel.org>
Message-ID: <200803010142.m211gIN9001317@kzsu.stanford.edu>


Same here, essentially.  I can more-or-less vouch for Uri Guttman,
himself, though... he's a decent perl hacker who often hangs out on
comp.lang.perl.* saying intelligent things, and he's got some stuff up
on CPAN:

   http://search.cpan.org/~uri/

In recent years he's apparently fallen into the role of being a
technical recruiter as a side-line: there are some companies that
are apparently impressed at his ability to identify other good perl
hackers compared to your average recruiter.  Go figure, eh?

I can't say that I've ever had a high opinion of computer training
and/or certification programs, but if he can help alleviate the
"have you ever tried to hire a perl programmer?" complaint, more power
to him...


Quinn Weaver <quinn at fairpath.com> wrote:

> Just got this.  I can't vouch for the quality one way or another, but
> it's interesting news.

> ----- Forwarded message from Uri Guttman <uri at stemsystems.com> -----
>
> Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 16:29:44 -0500
> From: Uri Guttman <uri at stemsystems.com>
> To: pm_groups at pm.org
> Subject: [pm_groups] Introducing The Perl College
>
>
> hi all pm leaders,
>
> please forward to your local pm lists if you deem it appropriate.
>
> thanx,
>
> uri
>
>
> What is the Perl College?
>
> 	The Perl College is a creative merger of job training and job
> 	fairs. Here are its primary goals:
>
> 	* Provide free top quality training to qualified
> 	  junior level Perl developers
> 	* Improve their Perl skills to the intermediate level
> 	* Match the new graduates with Perl jobs in the hiring companies
> 	* http://perlhunter.com/college.html
>
> 	The Perl College was created to address these issues in
> 	recruiting Perl coders:
>
> 	* A shortage of intermediate level Perl developers
> 	* A surplus of junior level Perl developers
> 	* Some are not developing Perl full time
> 	* Many are looking for a career developing Perl but can't get
> 	  needed training and experience
> 	* Companies lacking the resources to train Perl developers
>
> 	We are currently seeking both sponsors and students for this
> 	unique education/recruitment opportunity.
>
> Hiring Sponsors: Thirty great applicants - cheap!
>
> 	Imagine how much it would cost in both time and money to find
> 	and train a qualified applicant for your Perl jobs. The Perl
> 	College dramatically improves the efficiency of this process by
> 	pre-screening and accepting only the most motivated
> 	students. Then we take it one step further. We take those
> 	already highly motivated students and train them up to a solid
> 	intermediate level of Perl skills. Efficiency, cost
> 	effectiveness and quality results - what could be better for
> 	your Perl recruitment needs?
>
> Student Candidates: Put yourself ahead of the competition.
>
> 	If selected you will have a week of free training from Damian
> 	Conway (valued at $3000). Plus you will exposed to employers who
> 	are actively seeking intermediate level Perl developers.
> 	Competition to get in will be fierce so put your best foot
> 	forward. Don't wait to apply as we will take only the thirty
> 	most qualified students.
>
> For more information on The Perl College, and how to apply to be a
> sponsor or a student go to these pages:
>
> 	http://perlhunter.com/college.html
> 	http://perlhunter.com/sponsors.html
> 	http://perlhunter.com/students.html
>
> Thanks,
>
> Uri Guttman, Dean of The Perl College
>
> --
> Uri Guttman  ------  uri at stemsystems.com  --------  http://www.sysarch.com --
> -----  Perl Architecture, Development, Training, Support, Code Review  ------
> -----------  Search or Offer Perl Jobs  ----- http://jobs.perl.org  ---------
> ---------  Gourmet Hot Cocoa Mix  ----  http://bestfriendscocoa.com ---------
> --
> Request pm.org Technical Support via support at pm.org
>
> pm_groups mailing list
> pm_groups at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pm_groups
>
>
> ----- End forwarded message -----
>
> --
> Quinn Weaver, independent contractor  |  President, San Francisco Perl Mongers
> http://fairpath.com/quinn/resume/     |  http://sf.pm.org/
> 510-520-5217
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