From quinn at fairpath.com  Thu Mar  1 12:32:02 2007
From: quinn at fairpath.com (Quinn Weaver)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 12:32:02 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] Randal Schwartz "non-party" Monday night
Message-ID: <20070301203202.GB27708@fu.funkspiel.org>

Hey,

Great news from Randal:  his conviction has been expunged in the infamous
Intel case.  His record is clear at last, after 13 years and lots
of money.  He's having a little celebration in Milpitas, this Monday night
(March 5).

For those who haven't heard about the case, there's a very brief summary here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randal_Schwartz#State_of_Oregon_vs._Randal_Schwartz
The common take on the story is that Intel management got egg on its face,
then acted vindictively to kill the messenger.

No word yet on what time the thing starts, but it's probably whenever Randal
get off work on his consulting gig.  I've asked him to send the time.

Please feel free to forward this to other lists (besides oakland, which
is already CC'ed).

----- Forwarded message from "Randal L. Schwartz" <merlyn at stonehenge.com> -----

To: qw at sf.pm.org
Subject: a little non-party monday night
From: "Randal L. Schwartz" <merlyn at stonehenge.com>
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 10:47:02 -0800


Since <http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/fors-announce/message/22> I'm no
longer a felon, and I'm down here working for a $client, I thought it'd be
nice to get together with a few of my bay-area friends to celebrate.

Sadly, it's east bay... I'm hanging out at Dave and Buster's monday night in
the Great Mall in Milpitas.  But some people might not mind the trip, so
please pass it along to the group.  I'll also drop an invitation

-- 
Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095
<merlyn at stonehenge.com> <URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/>
Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc.
See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training!


----- End forwarded message -----

-- 
Quinn Weaver, independent contractor  |  President, San Francisco Perl Mongers
http://fairpath.com/quinn/resume/     |  http://sf.pm.org/

From quinn at fairpath.com  Thu Mar  1 13:10:25 2007
From: quinn at fairpath.com (Quinn Weaver)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 13:10:25 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] Randal Schwartz "non-party" Monday night
In-Reply-To: <20070301203202.GB27708@fu.funkspiel.org>
References: <20070301203202.GB27708@fu.funkspiel.org>
Message-ID: <20070301211025.GB27890@fu.funkspiel.org>

On Thu, Mar 01, 2007 at 12:32:02PM -0800, Quinn Weaver wrote:

> No word yet on what time the thing starts, but it's probably whenever Randal
> get off work on his consulting gig.  I've asked him to send the time.

Well, that was fast. :) He says dinner around 7:00, then games.

> ----- Forwarded message from "Randal L. Schwartz" <merlyn at stonehenge.com> -----
> 
> To: qw at sf.pm.org
> Subject: a little non-party monday night
> From: "Randal L. Schwartz" <merlyn at stonehenge.com>
> Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 10:47:02 -0800
> 
> 
> Since <http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/fors-announce/message/22> I'm no
> longer a felon, and I'm down here working for a $client, I thought it'd be
> nice to get together with a few of my bay-area friends to celebrate.
> 
> Sadly, it's east bay... I'm hanging out at Dave and Buster's monday night in
> the Great Mall in Milpitas.  But some people might not mind the trip, so
> please pass it along to the group.  I'll also drop an invitation
> 
> -- 
> Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095
> <merlyn at stonehenge.com> <URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/>
> Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc.
> See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training!
> 
> 
> ----- End forwarded message -----
> 
> -- 
> Quinn Weaver, independent contractor  |  President, San Francisco Perl Mongers
> http://fairpath.com/quinn/resume/     |  http://sf.pm.org/

-- 
Quinn Weaver, independent contractor  |  President, San Francisco Perl Mongers
http://fairpath.com/quinn/resume/     |  http://sf.pm.org/

From it at morelater.com  Thu Mar  1 14:14:56 2007
From: it at morelater.com (it at morelater.com)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 17:14:56 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [sf-perl] Randal Schwartz "non-party" Monday night
In-Reply-To: <20070301203202.GB27708@fu.funkspiel.org>
References: <20070301203202.GB27708@fu.funkspiel.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0703011702120.21831@epsilon.pair.com>

i'm not in the bay area anymore, but i certainly appreciate all randal
schwartz has done for perl.  i read the "shiny ball" book back when it
came out, and it really changed the way i think about programming and
approach problems.  i'd say it changed my life as much as it is possible
for a computer book to do.  even as perl ages, it is still my favorite
language to work in, and it is randal schwartz's writing in the perl
journal and various perl books that gave me this appreciation for perl and
made me aware of what i am missing when i have to work in other languages.
i'm sure many of us are in his debt and i would like to send along my
thanks and best wishes.

On Thu, 1 Mar 2007, Quinn Weaver wrote:

> Hey,
>
> Great news from Randal:  his conviction has been expunged in the infamous
> Intel case.  His record is clear at last, after 13 years and lots
> of money.  He's having a little celebration in Milpitas, this Monday night
> (March 5).
>
> For those who haven't heard about the case, there's a very brief summary here:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randal_Schwartz#State_of_Oregon_vs._Randal_Schwartz
> The common take on the story is that Intel management got egg on its face,
> then acted vindictively to kill the messenger.
>
> No word yet on what time the thing starts, but it's probably whenever Randal
> get off work on his consulting gig.  I've asked him to send the time.
>
> Please feel free to forward this to other lists (besides oakland, which
> is already CC'ed).
>
> ----- Forwarded message from "Randal L. Schwartz" <merlyn at stonehenge.com> -----
>
> To: qw at sf.pm.org
> Subject: a little non-party monday night
> From: "Randal L. Schwartz" <merlyn at stonehenge.com>
> Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 10:47:02 -0800
>
>
> Since <http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/fors-announce/message/22> I'm no
> longer a felon, and I'm down here working for a $client, I thought it'd be
> nice to get together with a few of my bay-area friends to celebrate.
>
> Sadly, it's east bay... I'm hanging out at Dave and Buster's monday night in
> the Great Mall in Milpitas.  But some people might not mind the trip, so
> please pass it along to the group.  I'll also drop an invitation
>
> --
> Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095
> <merlyn at stonehenge.com> <URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/>
> Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc.
> See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training!
>
>
> ----- End forwarded message -----
>
> --
> Quinn Weaver, independent contractor  |  President, San Francisco Perl Mongers
> http://fairpath.com/quinn/resume/     |  http://sf.pm.org/
> _______________________________________________
> SanFrancisco-pm mailing list
> SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm
>

From nheller at silcon.com  Thu Mar  1 19:29:26 2007
From: nheller at silcon.com (Neil Heller)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 19:29:26 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] Learning CGI with Perl
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0703011702120.21831@epsilon.pair.com>
Message-ID: <000001c75c7a$fb3330b0$27130618@your0agqlnep7i>


I decided that I wanted to learn some CGI to go along with my Perl in a
Winderz environment.  I bought what I had hoped was a good book but...
ActiveState Perl gagged on the first line of the program.  The error message
was that if I used -T in the "#!" line then I needed to use it on the
command line.  So I went to the command line and tried to start the prog
manually with -T as a command line parameter.  From that I got the same
message.

Does anybody have an idea on how I can overcome this?

Better yet, can anyone suggest a good book for learning CGI?

FWIW, the name of the book is "CGI programming with Perl".  The source code
follows.


#! perl -wT

print <<END_OF_HTML
content-type: text/html

<HTML>
<HEAD>
    <TITLE>About this servr</TITLE>
</HEAD>
<BODY>
<H1>About this server</H1>
<HR>
<PRE>
    Server name:        $ENV(SERVER_NAME)
    Listening on Port:  $ENV(SERVER_PORT)
    Server Software:    $ENV(SERVER_SOFTWARE)
    Server Protocol:    $ENV(SERVER_PROTOCOL)
    CGI Version:        $ENV(GATEWAY_INTERFACE)
</PRE>
</HR>
</BODY>
</HTML>
END_OF_HTML



Neil Heller
nheller at silcon.com




From dave at wrightpopcorn.com  Thu Mar  1 20:12:21 2007
From: dave at wrightpopcorn.com (Dave Turner)
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 20:12:21 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] Learning CGI with Perl
In-Reply-To: <000001c75c7a$fb3330b0$27130618@your0agqlnep7i>
References: <000001c75c7a$fb3330b0$27130618@your0agqlnep7i>
Message-ID: <45E7A425.7050703@wrightpopcorn.com>

Try putting the full path to Perl in there. That may do the trick for you.

Neil Heller wrote:
> I decided that I wanted to learn some CGI to go along with my Perl in a
> Winderz environment.  I bought what I had hoped was a good book but...
> ActiveState Perl gagged on the first line of the program.  The error message
> was that if I used -T in the "#!" line then I needed to use it on the
> command line.  So I went to the command line and tried to start the prog
> manually with -T as a command line parameter.  From that I got the same
> message.
>
> Does anybody have an idea on how I can overcome this?
>
> Better yet, can anyone suggest a good book for learning CGI?
>
> FWIW, the name of the book is "CGI programming with Perl".  The source code
> follows.
>
>
> #! perl -wT
>
> print <<END_OF_HTML
> content-type: text/html
>
> <HTML>
> <HEAD>
>     <TITLE>About this servr</TITLE>
> </HEAD>
> <BODY>
> <H1>About this server</H1>
> <HR>
> <PRE>
>     Server name:        $ENV(SERVER_NAME)
>     Listening on Port:  $ENV(SERVER_PORT)
>     Server Software:    $ENV(SERVER_SOFTWARE)
>     Server Protocol:    $ENV(SERVER_PROTOCOL)
>     CGI Version:        $ENV(GATEWAY_INTERFACE)
> </PRE>
> </HR>
> </BODY>
> </HTML>
> END_OF_HTML
>
>
>
> Neil Heller
> nheller at silcon.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SanFrancisco-pm mailing list
> SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm
>
>
>
>   


From rdm at cfcl.com  Thu Mar  1 20:22:01 2007
From: rdm at cfcl.com (Rich Morin)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 20:22:01 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] Learning CGI with Perl
In-Reply-To: <000001c75c7a$fb3330b0$27130618@your0agqlnep7i>
References: <000001c75c7a$fb3330b0$27130618@your0agqlnep7i>
Message-ID: <p06230931c20d564db303@[192.168.1.205]>

At 7:29 PM -0800 3/1/07, Neil Heller wrote:
> #! perl -wT

On Unixish systems, it's important that there be no spaces
between the shebang (#!) and the path name.  I always use

  #!/usr/bin/env perl

which allows the Perl interpreter to be anywhere on the
path.  This assumes, however, that somebody hasn't opted
to _move_ env, as someone had on a Linux box I ran into.

-r
-- 
http://www.cfcl.com/rdm            Rich Morin
http://www.cfcl.com/rdm/resume     rdm at cfcl.com
http://www.cfcl.com/rdm/weblog     +1 650-873-7841

Technical editing and writing, programming, and web development

From achen at iparadigms.com  Fri Mar  2 11:34:08 2007
From: achen at iparadigms.com (Allen Chen)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 11:34:08 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] Internationalizing a Perl application
In-Reply-To: <16329144-AD9D-4D92-B8E1-3DD631701CC5@iparadigms.com>
References: <16329144-AD9D-4D92-B8E1-3DD631701CC5@iparadigms.com>
Message-ID: <CA48C11F-E471-4B29-B7F7-EB0D3CAD7FA7@iparadigms.com>

Hi,

I had a question about internationalization (using  
Locale::Maketext::Simple) that I hoped someone would be able to  
answer. Here's the situation:

I created a drop-down menu on the user preferences form that allows  
users to select a language. When the user clicks submit, his  
preference is changed in our database and in the URL string  
(www.turnitin.com/user_info.asp?lang=en_us&..., or 'fr', 'es',  
etc.) . When the page reloads, there is a call to loc_lang that  
should cause all of the text to be displayed in the new language.  
However, the text still shows up in the old language, so it looks  
like loc_lang isn't working. For example, if the user logged in with  
his language preference set as en_us and then changed it to fr, the  
'Welcome' text remains 'Welcome' and doesn't change to the French  
version. I logged our calls to loc_lang and found that it is indeed  
calling loc_lang("fr"), but the text that is displayed is still all  
English.

The only time I can get the text to change is if I restart apache and  
then reload the page. Would anyone happen to know whether we're  
missing a step in here or what we can do to have loc_lang change the  
current language? If you could respond to achen at iparadigms.com, that  
would be much appreciated!

Thanks,
Allen

Allen Chen
Web Application Support & Developer

iParadigms, LLC
1624 Franklin Street, 7th Floor
Oakland, CA 94612

p +1.510.287.9720 x 256
f +1.510.444.1952
e achen at iparadigms.com

The information contained in this message may be privileged and  
confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this  
message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent  
responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient,  
you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or  
copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have  
received this communication in error, please notify the sender  
immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your  
computer.



-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/sanfrancisco-pm/attachments/20070302/cd29eec0/attachment.html 

From david at fetter.org  Fri Mar  2 13:55:05 2007
From: david at fetter.org (David Fetter)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 13:55:05 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] Learning CGI with Perl
In-Reply-To: <000001c75c7a$fb3330b0$27130618@your0agqlnep7i>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0703011702120.21831@epsilon.pair.com>
	<000001c75c7a$fb3330b0$27130618@your0agqlnep7i>
Message-ID: <20070302215505.GB3665@fetter.org>

On Thu, Mar 01, 2007 at 07:29:26PM -0800, Neil Heller wrote:
> 
> I decided that I wanted to learn some CGI to go along with my Perl
> in a Winderz environment.  I bought what I had hoped was a good book
> but...  ActiveState Perl gagged on the first line of the program.
> The error message was that if I used -T in the "#!" line then I
> needed to use it on the command line.  So I went to the command line
> and tried to start the prog manually with -T as a command line
> parameter.  From that I got the same message.
> 
> Does anybody have an idea on how I can overcome this?
> 
> Better yet, can anyone suggest a good book for learning CGI?
> 
> FWIW, the name of the book is "CGI programming with Perl".  The
> source code follows.

I think you should probably pick up a more recent book on this, as
hand-tooling HTML headers went out with the 90s.  At least check out
CGI.pm and its successors :)

Cheers,
D
> 
> 
> #! perl -wT
> 
> print <<END_OF_HTML
> content-type: text/html
> 
> <HTML>
> <HEAD>
>     <TITLE>About this servr</TITLE>
> </HEAD>
> <BODY>
> <H1>About this server</H1>
> <HR>
> <PRE>
>     Server name:        $ENV(SERVER_NAME)
>     Listening on Port:  $ENV(SERVER_PORT)
>     Server Software:    $ENV(SERVER_SOFTWARE)
>     Server Protocol:    $ENV(SERVER_PROTOCOL)
>     CGI Version:        $ENV(GATEWAY_INTERFACE)
> </PRE>
> </HR>
> </BODY>
> </HTML>
> END_OF_HTML
> 
> 
> 
> Neil Heller
> nheller at silcon.com
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SanFrancisco-pm mailing list
> SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm

-- 
David Fetter <david at fetter.org> http://fetter.org/
phone: +1 415 235 3778        AIM: dfetter666
                              Skype: davidfetter

Remember to vote!
Consider donating to PostgreSQL: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate

From quinn at fairpath.com  Sat Mar  3 13:11:33 2007
From: quinn at fairpath.com (Quinn Weaver)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 13:11:33 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] [ian@linefeed.org: [oak perl] New,
	affordable community colo in SF up and running]
Message-ID: <20070303211133.GA46432@fu.funkspiel.org>

For those of you who haven't heard... the San Francisco Community Colo.
Oh yeah... ponte colocado.

----- Forwarded message from Ian <ian at linefeed.org> -----

Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 00:33:56 -0800
From: Ian <ian at linefeed.org>
To: oakland at pm.org
Subject: [oak perl] New, affordable community colo in SF up and running

(You may have already gotten this announcement on another LUG list.
For the duplicate, I apologize. This is a one-time announcement to the
Perl Users Group list, intended solely to spread the word that we
exist as a new colo resource for folks interested. I appreciate your
patience and understanding)

Hello Oakland Perl folks,

I am writing because I think that some on this list might be
interested in a new non-commercial, community network with a
colocation facility in downtown San Francisco.

If you operate a server for an open source project, a non-profit
organization or non-commercial personal use, you qualify to host your
server at the San Francisco Community Colocation Project's colo at 6th
& Brannan in downtown San Francisco.

Your share of the collectively-purchased space & bandwidth starts
around $45/1U/month.

We have helped run a non-profit colo facility in the Bay Area for 5
years -- and now we are opening the doors to our newest colo in SF. We
are part of a network that includes other community colos in Seattle,
Chicago, Toronto and Washington DC.

We are also committed to the protection of online free speech. In
2003, for example, we received a DMCA take-down order from Diebold
regarding documents that had been posted to our servers that shed an
embarrassing light on Diebold's eletronic voting machines. The
Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) took up the case and Diebold
backed down. A corporate colo likely would have forced the client to
comply with Diebold's lawyers.

If any of this sounds good to you, please get in touch!

1) Email us -> inquire at sfccp.net
2) Call us -> (415) 887-7679
3) Check out our website -> http://www.sfccp.net/

For more information on the Diebold case, see
http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/11/27/050218

Thanks for your time,

Ian McLeod
San Francisco Community Colocation Project
www.sfccp.net
_______________________________________________
Oakland mailing list
Oakland at pm.org
http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/oakland

----- End forwarded message -----

-- 
Quinn Weaver, independent contractor  |  President, San Francisco Perl Mongers
http://fairpath.com/quinn/resume/     |  http://sf.pm.org/

From james at actionmessage.com  Sun Mar  4 21:55:19 2007
From: james at actionmessage.com (James Briggs)
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 21:55:19 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] [ian@linefeed.org: [oak perl] New,
	affordable community colo in SF up and running]
In-Reply-To: <20070303211133.GA46432@fu.funkspiel.org>
References: <20070303211133.GA46432@fu.funkspiel.org>
Message-ID: <20070305054924.M22739@actionmessage.com>

On Sat, 3 Mar 2007 13:11:33 -0800, Quinn Weaver wrote
> For those of you who haven't heard... the San Francisco Community Colo.
> Oh yeah... ponte colocado.

Hi List.

Note that serverpronto is still $30/month for a P4/256MB/40GB dedicated
server machine. Their network is reliable enough to do MySQL replication,
not reliable enough for a corporate-class web site though.

So for personal use, SP is prolly cheaper.

If you owned a maxed-out machine you wanted to colocate, or needed
free speech support, the community hosting might be interesting, but
"starting at $45/month" could mean the actual price is more.

James.

> ----- Forwarded message from Ian <ian at linefeed.org> -----
> 
> Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 00:33:56 -0800
> From: Ian <ian at linefeed.org>
> To: oakland at pm.org
> Subject: [oak perl] New, affordable community colo in SF up and running
> 
> (You may have already gotten this announcement on another LUG list.
> For the duplicate, I apologize. This is a one-time announcement to 
> the Perl Users Group list, intended solely to spread the word that 
> we exist as a new colo resource for folks interested. I appreciate your
> patience and understanding)
> 
> Hello Oakland Perl folks,
> 
> I am writing because I think that some on this list might be
> interested in a new non-commercial, community network with a
> colocation facility in downtown San Francisco.
> 
> If you operate a server for an open source project, a non-profit
> organization or non-commercial personal use, you qualify to host your
> server at the San Francisco Community Colocation Project's colo at 
> 6th & Brannan in downtown San Francisco.
> 
> Your share of the collectively-purchased space & bandwidth starts
> around $45/1U/month.
> 
> We have helped run a non-profit colo facility in the Bay Area for 5
> years -- and now we are opening the doors to our newest colo in SF. 
> We are part of a network that includes other community colos in 
> Seattle, Chicago, Toronto and Washington DC.
> 
> We are also committed to the protection of online free speech. In
> 2003, for example, we received a DMCA take-down order from Diebold
> regarding documents that had been posted to our servers that shed an
> embarrassing light on Diebold's eletronic voting machines. The
> Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) took up the case and Diebold
> backed down. A corporate colo likely would have forced the client to
> comply with Diebold's lawyers.
> 
> If any of this sounds good to you, please get in touch!
> 
> 1) Email us -> inquire at sfccp.net
> 2) Call us -> (415) 887-7679
> 3) Check out our website -> http://www.sfccp.net/
> 
> For more information on the Diebold case, see
> http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/11/27/050218
> 
> Thanks for your time,
> 
> Ian McLeod
> San Francisco Community Colocation Project
> www.sfccp.net
> _______________________________________________
> Oakland mailing list
> Oakland at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/oakland

Thanks,
James Briggs


From james at actionmessage.com  Thu Mar  8 05:54:42 2007
From: james at actionmessage.com (James Briggs)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 05:54:42 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] Randal Schwartz "non-party" Monday night
In-Reply-To: <20070301203202.GB27708@fu.funkspiel.org>
References: <20070301203202.GB27708@fu.funkspiel.org>
Message-ID: <20070308135101.M13276@actionmessage.com>

> To: qw at sf.pm.org
> Subject: a little non-party monday night
> From: "Randal L. Schwartz" <merlyn at stonehenge.com>
> Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 10:47:02 -0800
> 
[snip]
>
> Sadly, it's east bay... I'm hanging out at Dave and Buster's monday 
> night in the Great Mall in Milpitas.  But some people might not mind 
> the trip, so please pass it along to the group.  I'll also drop an invitation
> 
> -- 
> Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 
> 777 0095 <merlyn at stonehenge.com> <URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/>
> Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc.
> See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training!

Hi List.

For those who couldn't make it, I wrote a summary in my blog:

Randal Schwartz Non-Party in Milpitas
http://www.jebriggs.com/php/wordpress/?p=306

(I also blog about each MySQL and OSCON Conference annually.)

Thanks,
James Briggs



From nheller at silcon.com  Thu Mar  8 11:50:10 2007
From: nheller at silcon.com (nheller at silcon.com)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 11:50:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [sf-perl] Scope of a variable
In-Reply-To: <20070308135101.M13276@actionmessage.com>
References: <20070301203202.GB27708@fu.funkspiel.org>
	<20070308135101.M13276@actionmessage.com>
Message-ID: <52946.208.253.246.248.1173383410.squirrel@webmail.silcon.com>

I'm trying to create a variable that is visible in multiple namespaces.
I tried declaring the variable using "our".
With use strict in effect, the code seems to treat the variable as a local
in each place that it's used.  IOW, it doesn't hold value from one
namespace to the next.
Can anybody tell me where I'm going wrong?


From fred at redhotpenguin.com  Thu Mar  8 11:53:48 2007
From: fred at redhotpenguin.com (Fred Moyer)
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 11:53:48 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] Scope of a variable
In-Reply-To: <52946.208.253.246.248.1173383410.squirrel@webmail.silcon.com>
References: <20070301203202.GB27708@fu.funkspiel.org>	<20070308135101.M13276@actionmessage.com>
	<52946.208.253.246.248.1173383410.squirrel@webmail.silcon.com>
Message-ID: <45F069CC.6080203@redhotpenguin.com>

nheller at silcon.com wrote:
> I'm trying to create a variable that is visible in multiple namespaces.
> I tried declaring the variable using "our".
> With use strict in effect, the code seems to treat the variable as a local
> in each place that it's used.  IOW, it doesn't hold value from one
> namespace to the next.
> Can anybody tell me where I'm going wrong?

Can you show us the code which demonstrates what you're trying to 
accomplish?

From friedman at highwire.stanford.edu  Thu Mar  8 12:03:41 2007
From: friedman at highwire.stanford.edu (Michael Friedman)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 12:03:41 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] Scope of a variable
In-Reply-To: <52946.208.253.246.248.1173383410.squirrel@webmail.silcon.com>
References: <20070301203202.GB27708@fu.funkspiel.org>
	<20070308135101.M13276@actionmessage.com>
	<52946.208.253.246.248.1173383410.squirrel@webmail.silcon.com>
Message-ID: <CA75BBAF-47E6-4380-863F-09F3E1BFAA52@highwire.stanford.edu>

 From 'perldoc -f our':
              An "our" declares the listed variables to be valid
              globals within the enclosing block, file, or "eval".
              That is, it has the same scoping rules as a "my"
              declaration, but does not create a local variable.

That means that an 'our' variable is only valid within a particular  
file. Are you perhaps trying to access it from a separate file,  
either a used module or a required script?

-- Mike

On Mar 8, 2007, at 11:50 AM, nheller at silcon.com wrote:

> I'm trying to create a variable that is visible in multiple  
> namespaces.
> I tried declaring the variable using "our".
> With use strict in effect, the code seems to treat the variable as  
> a local
> in each place that it's used.  IOW, it doesn't hold value from one
> namespace to the next.
> Can anybody tell me where I'm going wrong?

---------------------------------------------------------------------
Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
FAX:   270-721-8034                  <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
---------------------------------------------------------------------



From nheller at silcon.com  Thu Mar  8 13:08:30 2007
From: nheller at silcon.com (nheller at silcon.com)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 13:08:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [sf-perl] Scope of a variable
In-Reply-To: <45F069CC.6080203@redhotpenguin.com>
References: <20070301203202.GB27708@fu.funkspiel.org>	<20070308135101.M13276@actionmessage.com>
	<52946.208.253.246.248.1173383410.squirrel@webmail.silcon.com>
	<45F069CC.6080203@redhotpenguin.com>
Message-ID: <36501.208.253.246.248.1173388110.squirrel@webmail.silcon.com>


Following is a cut-down version of what I'm trying to do.
The problem I'm having is that the variable, $intendedDest, is not holding
its value from the called code (in Navigate.pl) to the calling code
(Migrate.pl).

Can somebody help?


# ===== Migrate.pl =====

#!Perl  -w

use strict;
use warnings;

my $ccDir = $ARGV[0];
my $currentLocation = "c:\\ADO_new";
require $currentLocation . "\\Navigate.pl";

our $intendedDest = 0;

Nav_to_start::Navigate($ccDir);




#  ===== Navigate.pl =====

package Nav_to_start;

use Fcntl ':mode';

BEGIN { }

    sub Navigate {
            my $choiceResponse = <STDIN>;
            chomp($choiceResponse);
            $intendedDest = $choiceResponse;
    }
    return 1;
END { }







> nheller at silcon.com wrote:
>> I'm trying to create a variable that is visible in multiple namespaces.
>> I tried declaring the variable using "our".
>> With use strict in effect, the code seems to treat the variable as a
>> local
>> in each place that it's used.  IOW, it doesn't hold value from one
>> namespace to the next.
>> Can anybody tell me where I'm going wrong?
>
> Can you show us the code which demonstrates what you're trying to
> accomplish?
> _______________________________________________
> SanFrancisco-pm mailing list
> SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm
>


From garth.webb at gmail.com  Thu Mar  8 13:39:58 2007
From: garth.webb at gmail.com (Garth Webb)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 13:39:58 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] Scope of a variable
In-Reply-To: <36501.208.253.246.248.1173388110.squirrel@webmail.silcon.com>
References: <20070301203202.GB27708@fu.funkspiel.org>
	<20070308135101.M13276@actionmessage.com>
	<52946.208.253.246.248.1173383410.squirrel@webmail.silcon.com>
	<45F069CC.6080203@redhotpenguin.com>
	<36501.208.253.246.248.1173388110.squirrel@webmail.silcon.com>
Message-ID: <c0d982e10703081339k31b18743i77290b990b003be8@mail.gmail.com>

Unless your code is in the same package as the global, you need to give the
full package name to access global variables defined by our (also use vars):

$ cat Foo.pm
package Foo;

our $GLOBAL;

sub set_foo { $GLOBAL = 'foo' }
1;
$ cat Bar.pm
package Bar;

sub set_bar { $Foo::GLOBAL = 'bar' }
1;
$ cat test.pl
#!/usr/bin/perl -w

use strict;

use lib qw(./);

use Foo;
use Bar;

print "GLOBAL = $Foo::GLOBAL\n";

Foo->set_foo;
print "GLOBAL = $Foo::GLOBAL\n";

Bar->set_bar;
print "GLOBAL = $Foo::GLOBAL\n";
$ perl test.pl
Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at test.pl line
10.
GLOBAL =
GLOBAL = foo
GLOBAL = bar

On 3/8/07, nheller at silcon.com <nheller at silcon.com> wrote:
>
>
> Following is a cut-down version of what I'm trying to do.
> The problem I'm having is that the variable, $intendedDest, is not holding
> its value from the called code (in Navigate.pl) to the calling code
> (Migrate.pl).
>
> Can somebody help?
>
>
> # ===== Migrate.pl =====
>
> #!Perl  -w
>
> use strict;
> use warnings;
>
> my $ccDir = $ARGV[0];
> my $currentLocation = "c:\\ADO_new";
> require $currentLocation . "\\Navigate.pl";
>
> our $intendedDest = 0;
>
> Nav_to_start::Navigate($ccDir);
>
>
>
>
> #  ===== Navigate.pl =====
>
> package Nav_to_start;
>
> use Fcntl ':mode';
>
> BEGIN { }
>
>     sub Navigate {
>             my $choiceResponse = <STDIN>;
>             chomp($choiceResponse);
>             $intendedDest = $choiceResponse;
>     }
>     return 1;
> END { }
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > nheller at silcon.com wrote:
> >> I'm trying to create a variable that is visible in multiple namespaces.
> >> I tried declaring the variable using "our".
> >> With use strict in effect, the code seems to treat the variable as a
> >> local
> >> in each place that it's used.  IOW, it doesn't hold value from one
> >> namespace to the next.
> >> Can anybody tell me where I'm going wrong?
> >
> > Can you show us the code which demonstrates what you're trying to
> > accomplish?
> > _______________________________________________
> > SanFrancisco-pm mailing list
> > SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> SanFrancisco-pm mailing list
> SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm
>
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/sanfrancisco-pm/attachments/20070308/a4c598d1/attachment.html 

From moseley at hank.org  Thu Mar  8 13:48:06 2007
From: moseley at hank.org (Bill Moseley)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 13:48:06 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] Scope of a variable
In-Reply-To: <36501.208.253.246.248.1173388110.squirrel@webmail.silcon.com>
References: <20070301203202.GB27708@fu.funkspiel.org>
	<20070308135101.M13276@actionmessage.com>
	<52946.208.253.246.248.1173383410.squirrel@webmail.silcon.com>
	<45F069CC.6080203@redhotpenguin.com>
	<36501.208.253.246.248.1173388110.squirrel@webmail.silcon.com>
Message-ID: <20070308214806.GA21596@hank.org>

On Thu, Mar 08, 2007 at 01:08:30PM -0800, nheller at silcon.com wrote:
> 
> Following is a cut-down version of what I'm trying to do.
> The problem I'm having is that the variable, $intendedDest, is not holding
> its value from the called code (in Navigate.pl) to the calling code
> (Migrate.pl).

Instead of using globals, which you will hate yourself for in the
morning, how about returning the value you want:

(not really following the problem you are trying to solve)


    my $intendedDest = Nav_to_start::Navigate($ccDir);

And maybe using modules instead of require() and export the method you
want.

    use Nav_to_start;

    my $intendedDest = Navigate( $ccDir );





-- 
Bill Moseley
moseley at hank.org


From nheller at silcon.com  Thu Mar  8 15:49:53 2007
From: nheller at silcon.com (nheller at silcon.com)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 15:49:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [sf-perl] Scope of a variable
In-Reply-To: <20070308214806.GA21596@hank.org>
References: <20070301203202.GB27708@fu.funkspiel.org>
	<20070308135101.M13276@actionmessage.com>
	<52946.208.253.246.248.1173383410.squirrel@webmail.silcon.com>
	<45F069CC.6080203@redhotpenguin.com>
	<36501.208.253.246.248.1173388110.squirrel@webmail.silcon.com>
	<20070308214806.GA21596@hank.org>
Message-ID: <38866.208.253.246.248.1173397793.squirrel@webmail.silcon.com>


I ended up returning the value I wanted and it worked fine.
I suppose that in the future, if I want to return more than one simple
value I should return an array or hash.  My question turned out to be more
theoretical than real.

Another question I have: can you tell me an efficient way of calling a
module other than "system"?



> On Thu, Mar 08, 2007 at 01:08:30PM -0800, nheller at silcon.com wrote:
>>
>> Following is a cut-down version of what I'm trying to do.
>> The problem I'm having is that the variable, $intendedDest, is not
>> holding
>> its value from the called code (in Navigate.pl) to the calling code
>> (Migrate.pl).
>
> Instead of using globals, which you will hate yourself for in the
> morning, how about returning the value you want:
>
> (not really following the problem you are trying to solve)
>
>
>     my $intendedDest = Nav_to_start::Navigate($ccDir);
>
> And maybe using modules instead of require() and export the method you
> want.
>
>     use Nav_to_start;
>
>     my $intendedDest = Navigate( $ccDir );
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Bill Moseley
> moseley at hank.org
>
> _______________________________________________
> SanFrancisco-pm mailing list
> SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm
>


From moseley at hank.org  Thu Mar  8 16:22:20 2007
From: moseley at hank.org (Bill Moseley)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 16:22:20 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] Scope of a variable
In-Reply-To: <38866.208.253.246.248.1173397793.squirrel@webmail.silcon.com>
References: <20070301203202.GB27708@fu.funkspiel.org>
	<20070308135101.M13276@actionmessage.com>
	<52946.208.253.246.248.1173383410.squirrel@webmail.silcon.com>
	<45F069CC.6080203@redhotpenguin.com>
	<36501.208.253.246.248.1173388110.squirrel@webmail.silcon.com>
	<20070308214806.GA21596@hank.org>
	<38866.208.253.246.248.1173397793.squirrel@webmail.silcon.com>
Message-ID: <20070309002220.GA26101@hank.org>

On Thu, Mar 08, 2007 at 03:49:53PM -0800, nheller at silcon.com wrote:
> Another question I have: can you tell me an efficient way of calling a
> module other than "system"?

Your terminology isn't quite right.  I assume you are running an
external program using the system() call?

First, explain why it seems not efficient for what you are trying to
do.

-- 
Bill Moseley
moseley at hank.org


From quinn at fairpath.com  Thu Mar  8 16:43:09 2007
From: quinn at fairpath.com (Quinn Weaver)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 16:43:09 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] mod_perl and DocumentRoot question
Message-ID: <20070309004309.GA5973@fu.funkspiel.org>

I'm almost embarrassed to be asking this, but I've forgotten the
solution, and my old code belongs to someone else.  (Does this mean
I've forgotten more mod_perl than most hackers know? ;) ) I've checked
the mod_perl Cookbook and run some searches, but to no avail.

The problem is that Apache expects me to have a path in my DocumentRoot
for each URL I support.  For instance, if I have

http://www.example.com/foo/bar/
http://www.example.com/batz/

Then it expects there to be directories

/var/www/foo/bar
/var/www/batz

This is silly, because my PerlHandler is generating the content--it's not
stored in static files on disk.  Moreover, I have dynamically generated URLs
like http://www.example.com/user/quinn/edit .

What is the solution to this dumb problem?  Somebody throw me a rope. ;)

Thanks,

-- 
Quinn Weaver, independent contractor  |  President, San Francisco Perl Mongers
http://fairpath.com/quinn/resume/     |  http://sf.pm.org/

From spidaman at arachna.com  Thu Mar  8 17:29:33 2007
From: spidaman at arachna.com (spidaman at arachna.com)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 17:29:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [sf-perl] mod_perl and DocumentRoot question
In-Reply-To: <20070309004309.GA5973@fu.funkspiel.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0703081724350.17648-100000@mail.arachna.com>


You mean, like in httpd.conf
<Location /batz>
  SetHandler perl-script
  PerlHandler Quinn::Batz
</Location>

and in perl space:
package Quinn::Batz;
use strict; # duh
sub handler {
    my $r = shift;
    # do stuff with the Apache API
}
1;

so that /batz is mapped to your perl module? The key here is that Apache 
can resolve virtual paths with <Location> containers, including running 
modperl handlers. 

On Thu, 8 Mar 2007, Quinn Weaver wrote:
> I'm almost embarrassed to be asking this, but I've forgotten the
> solution, and my old code belongs to someone else.  (Does this mean
> I've forgotten more mod_perl than most hackers know? ;) ) I've checked
> the mod_perl Cookbook and run some searches, but to no avail.
> 
> The problem is that Apache expects me to have a path in my DocumentRoot
> for each URL I support.  For instance, if I have
> 
> http://www.example.com/foo/bar/
> http://www.example.com/batz/
> 
> Then it expects there to be directories
> 
> /var/www/foo/bar
> /var/www/batz
> 
> This is silly, because my PerlHandler is generating the content--it's not
> stored in static files on disk.  Moreover, I have dynamically generated URLs
> like http://www.example.com/user/quinn/edit .
> 
> What is the solution to this dumb problem?  Somebody throw me a rope. ;)
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 

-- 
Ian Kallen <spidaman _at_ arachna _dot_ com> | Yahoo/AIM: iankallen
             http://www.arachna.com/roller/page/spidaman


From fred at redhotpenguin.com  Thu Mar  8 18:27:31 2007
From: fred at redhotpenguin.com (Fred Moyer)
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 18:27:31 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] mod_perl and DocumentRoot question
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0703081724350.17648-100000@mail.arachna.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0703081724350.17648-100000@mail.arachna.com>
Message-ID: <45F0C613.5080809@redhotpenguin.com>

spidaman at arachna.com wrote:
> You mean, like in httpd.conf
> <Location /batz>
>   SetHandler perl-script
>   PerlHandler Quinn::Batz
> </Location>

If you find yourself with too many of these pesky Location directives, 
you can use Apache::Dispatch 
(http://search.cpan.org/~phred/Apache-Dispatch-0.10_01/) to make your 
life easier (disclosure - I'm the maintainer).

Also if you don't need ENV variable access, you can use SetHandler 
modperl there to get a little speed boost.


> 
> and in perl space:
> package Quinn::Batz;
> use strict; # duh
> sub handler {
>     my $r = shift;
>     # do stuff with the Apache API
> }
> 1;
> 
> so that /batz is mapped to your perl module? The key here is that Apache 
> can resolve virtual paths with <Location> containers, including running 
> modperl handlers. 
> 
> On Thu, 8 Mar 2007, Quinn Weaver wrote:
>> I'm almost embarrassed to be asking this, but I've forgotten the
>> solution, and my old code belongs to someone else.  (Does this mean
>> I've forgotten more mod_perl than most hackers know? ;) ) I've checked
>> the mod_perl Cookbook and run some searches, but to no avail.
>>
>> The problem is that Apache expects me to have a path in my DocumentRoot
>> for each URL I support.  For instance, if I have
>>
>> http://www.example.com/foo/bar/
>> http://www.example.com/batz/
>>
>> Then it expects there to be directories
>>
>> /var/www/foo/bar
>> /var/www/batz
>>
>> This is silly, because my PerlHandler is generating the content--it's not
>> stored in static files on disk.  Moreover, I have dynamically generated URLs
>> like http://www.example.com/user/quinn/edit .
>>
>> What is the solution to this dumb problem?  Somebody throw me a rope. ;)
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
> 


From quinn at fairpath.com  Thu Mar  8 21:49:06 2007
From: quinn at fairpath.com (Quinn Weaver)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 21:49:06 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] March 27:  Peter Thoeny on TWiki
Message-ID: <20070309054906.GA7359@fu.funkspiel.org>

Confirmed:  Peter, the TWiki maintainer, will do a talk on TWiki
March 27.  Yay open source entrepreneurs! :)

BGI will again be paying for Little Star pizza.  Yay institutional investors!
:) Thanks to Jeff Thalhammer.

Time:  8:00 p.m.
Date:  March 27
Place: Barclays Global Investors, 45 Fremont St, San Francisco

Here's Peter's full-length blurb on the talk.  Hope we'll see you there.

_____________________________________________________________________
Title:

Wiki Collaboration and Wiki Applications for the Workplace

_____________________________________________________________________
Description:

A wiki is a website where anyone with a browser can create and
maintain web content. It enables teams to organize and share content
and knowledge in an organic and free manner, and to schedule, manage
and document their daily activities. A wiki is also used as an
intranet where employees contribute content collaboratively, replacing
a webmaster maintained intranet. This talk explains what wikis are and
how they are used, covers social aspects and security concerns, and
teaches how to roll out a wiki. It also explains how teams can use
TWiki, an open-source wiki for the enterprise, to build tailored wiki
applications supporting their workflow and processes.

Attendees will learn what wikis are and how they can be applied to the
enterprise; the wiki culture and ways of collaboration it offers; how
to successfully roll out a wiki; and how situational wiki applications
can support business processes.

_____________________________________________________________________
Biography:

Peter Thoeny is the founder of TWiki <http://twiki.org/>, the
leading Wiki for corporate collaboration and knowledge management.
Managing the open-sourced project for the last seven years, Peter
invented the concept of structured wikis - where free form wiki
content can be structured with tailored wiki applications.

He is a recognized thought-leader in Wikis and social software,
featured in numerous articles and technology conferences including
LinuxWorld, Business Week, Wall Street Journal and more. A software
developer with over 15 years experience, Peter specializes in software
architecture, user interface design and web technology.

He graduated from the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology in Zurich,
lived in Japan for 8 years working as an engineering manager for Denso
building CASE tools, and managed the Knowledge Engineering group at
Wind River for several years. He is currently working on a book on
wikis for the workplace.

Peter co-founded StructuredWikis LLC
<http://www.structuredwikis.com/>, a company offering services that
allows teams to use wikis to improve productivity and communication
through basic and advanced application of wikis.

-- 
Quinn Weaver, independent contractor  |  President, San Francisco Perl Mongers
http://fairpath.com/quinn/resume/     |  http://sf.pm.org/

From pmui at groundworkopensource.com  Thu Mar  8 17:39:45 2007
From: pmui at groundworkopensource.com (Peter Mui)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 17:39:45 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] BayLISA Monitoring SIG, Weds March 14, 7PM
Message-ID: <0D4D4618-2245-4AE3-9B00-E465FCAA1644@groundworkopensource.com>

(Hi: You're invited to the BayLISA Monitoring SIG, Weds March 14, 7PM.
See the meeting announcement pasted below: can you please post it to  
SFLUG and/or forward it along to anyone else who might be interested?  
Many thanks, -Peter)

-------------------------------------------------------------------

March '07 BayLISA Monitoring SIG: COSMOS

Craig Thomas will present on COmmunity Systems Management Open Source  
(COSMOS), the Eclipse initiative to standardize Systems Management  
interfaces (http://www.eclipse.org/cosmos/).  This is a chance to  
hear about this project and figure out how it relates to our efforts  
to document and promote best practices in Systems Management.  We'll  
also have freeform Q&A where you can take advantage of the assembled  
wisdom to tackle your thorniest (or most basic) monitoring issues.

What:     BayLISA Monitoring SIG V: COSMOS - COmmunity Systems  
Management Open Source
Who:      Anyone interested in IT monitoring issues and tools:  
newbies particularly welcome!
When:    Wednesday, March 14 2007, 7PM
Where:  GroundWork Open Source, 139 Townsend St., San Francisco
How:     139 Townsend St. is very near AT&T Park. It is two blocks  
from the CalTrain Depot.  Take the MUNI N trolley "inbound" to 2nd  
and King (ballpark stop) or take the 15 or 30 buses (among others)  
crosstown.  Free evening street parking can usually be found.
Cost:     Free!!

Piping hot pizza, refreshingly cold pop, and tepid, room temperature  
snacks will be provided by GroundWork.  We'll open up the doors at  
6:30 or so and start the formal part of the meeting promptly at 7PM.

RSVP (not necessary, but helpful): Peter Mui,  
pmui at groundworkopensource.com, 415 992 4573

-------------------------------------------------------------------

From moseley at hank.org  Fri Mar  9 07:35:53 2007
From: moseley at hank.org (Bill Moseley)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 07:35:53 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] mod_perl and DocumentRoot question
In-Reply-To: <20070309004309.GA5973@fu.funkspiel.org>
References: <20070309004309.GA5973@fu.funkspiel.org>
Message-ID: <20070309153553.GD8321@hank.org>

On Thu, Mar 08, 2007 at 04:43:09PM -0800, Quinn Weaver wrote:
> The problem is that Apache expects me to have a path in my DocumentRoot
> for each URL I support.  For instance, if I have
> 
> http://www.example.com/foo/bar/
> http://www.example.com/batz/
> 
> Then it expects there to be directories
> 
> /var/www/foo/bar
> /var/www/batz

That shouldn't be true.  When you say "expects" does that mean Apache
is generating an error if they do not exist?

If Apache is hitting the disk when you think it shouldn't then perhaps
strace might be useful to easily see why it's doing that.



-- 
Bill Moseley
moseley at hank.org


From nheller at silcon.com  Sat Mar 10 10:17:49 2007
From: nheller at silcon.com (Neil Heller)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 10:17:49 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] Async or Sync
In-Reply-To: <20070309153553.GD8321@hank.org>
Message-ID: <000201c76340$6c737070$27130618@your0agqlnep7i>


A question popped into my head that I think someone will know.  I don't have
a clue and could not find anything either in books or online.

When I launch a program from within a Perl script via a "system" call, is
the return asynchronous or synchronous?  Is there any way to specifically
control that from within the calling script?


Neil Heller
nheller at silcon.com



From nheller at silcon.com  Sat Mar 10 10:29:12 2007
From: nheller at silcon.com (Neil Heller)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 10:29:12 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] Scope of a variable
In-Reply-To: <20070309002220.GA26101@hank.org>
Message-ID: <000301c76342$039b01b0$27130618@your0agqlnep7i>


> First, explain why it seems not efficient for what you are trying to do.

Terrific, I'm interested.  Please explain.

Neil Heller
nheller at silcon.com


-----Original Message-----
From: sanfrancisco-pm-bounces+nheller=silcon.com at pm.org
[mailto:sanfrancisco-pm-bounces+nheller=silcon.com at pm.org] On Behalf Of Bill
Moseley
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 4:22 PM
To: San Francisco Perl Mongers User Group
Subject: Re: [sf-perl] Scope of a variable


On Thu, Mar 08, 2007 at 03:49:53PM -0800, nheller at silcon.com wrote:
> Another question I have: can you tell me an efficient way of calling a 
> module other than "system"?

Your terminology isn't quite right.  I assume you are running an external
program using the system() call?

First, explain why it seems not efficient for what you are trying to do.

-- 
Bill Moseley
moseley at hank.org

_______________________________________________
SanFrancisco-pm mailing list
SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm




From extasia at extasia.org  Sat Mar 10 10:48:28 2007
From: extasia at extasia.org (David Alban)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 10:48:28 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] Async or Sync
In-Reply-To: <000201c76340$6c737070$27130618@your0agqlnep7i>
References: <20070309153553.GD8321@hank.org>
	<000201c76340$6c737070$27130618@your0agqlnep7i>
Message-ID: <4c714a9c0703101048g1bbb277ancefbac269f324445@mail.gmail.com>

       system LIST
       system PROGRAM LIST
               Does exactly the same thing as "exec LIST", except that a fork
               is done first, and the parent process waits for the child
               process to complete.  Note that argument processing varies
               depending on the number of arguments.  If there is more than
               one argument in LIST, or if LIST is an array with more than one
               value, starts the program given by the first element of the
               list with arguments given by the rest of the list.  If there is
               only one scalar argument, the argument is checked for shell
               metacharacters, and if there are any, the entire argument is
               passed to the system's command shell for parsing (this is
               "/bin/sh -c" on Unix platforms, but varies on other platforms).
               If there are no shell metacharacters in the argument, it is
               split into words and passed directly to "execvp", which is more
               efficient.

    [...]

On 3/10/07, Neil Heller <nheller at silcon.com> wrote:
> When I launch a program from within a Perl script via a "system" call, is
> the return asynchronous or synchronous?

I believe "waits for the child to complete" answers this question.

> Is there any way to specifically
> control that from within the calling script?

fork() and exec()?

Call system() with a command ending in ampersand (to get asynchronous behavior)?

Call system() with a command that will itself call other things
asynchronously (and thus, has the potential to return right away)?

-- 
Live in a world of your own, but always welcome visitors.

From Adam.Morgan at safeway.com  Sat Mar 10 11:13:15 2007
From: Adam.Morgan at safeway.com (Adam Morgan)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 12:13:15 -0700
Subject: [sf-perl] Async or Sync
In-Reply-To: <4c714a9c0703101048g1bbb277ancefbac269f324445@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5113C869AE8FD844B3589414188D35A9AD9B4F@PHITPR05EXC01.safeway01.ad.safeway.com>

You can also open a FILEHANDLE that has it's input piped in from a
system process. This would allow you to do other things in your code and
return to the input when you or it the data is ready. I don't know if
this is truly asynchronous because the pipe will halt the system process
when it has some preset amount of data waiting on it.

eg. open(INDATA, "system_command |"); 

-----Original Message-----
From: sanfrancisco-pm-bounces+adam.morgan=safeway.com at pm.org
[mailto:sanfrancisco-pm-bounces+adam.morgan=safeway.com at pm.org] On
Behalf Of David Alban
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 10:48 AM
To: San Francisco Perl Mongers User Group
Subject: Re: [sf-perl] Async or Sync

       system LIST
       system PROGRAM LIST
               Does exactly the same thing as "exec LIST", except that a
fork
               is done first, and the parent process waits for the child
               process to complete.  Note that argument processing
varies
               depending on the number of arguments.  If there is more
than
               one argument in LIST, or if LIST is an array with more
than one
               value, starts the program given by the first element of
the
               list with arguments given by the rest of the list.  If
there is
               only one scalar argument, the argument is checked for
shell
               metacharacters, and if there are any, the entire argument
is
               passed to the system's command shell for parsing (this is
               "/bin/sh -c" on Unix platforms, but varies on other
platforms).
               If there are no shell metacharacters in the argument, it
is
               split into words and passed directly to "execvp", which
is more
               efficient.

    [...]

On 3/10/07, Neil Heller <nheller at silcon.com> wrote:
> When I launch a program from within a Perl script via a "system" call,

> is the return asynchronous or synchronous?

I believe "waits for the child to complete" answers this question.

> Is there any way to specifically
> control that from within the calling script?

fork() and exec()?

Call system() with a command ending in ampersand (to get asynchronous
behavior)?

Call system() with a command that will itself call other things
asynchronously (and thus, has the potential to return right away)?

--
Live in a world of your own, but always welcome visitors.
_______________________________________________
SanFrancisco-pm mailing list
SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org
http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm


"MMS <safeway.com>" made the following annotations.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Warning: 
All e-mail sent to this address will be received by the Safeway corporate e-mail system, and is subject to archival and review by someone other than the recipient.  This e-mail may contain information proprietary to Safeway and is intended only for the use of the intended recipient(s).  If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient(s), you are notified that you have received this message in error and that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited.  If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately. 
  
==============================================================================


From pmui at groundworkopensource.com  Tue Mar 13 10:41:30 2007
From: pmui at groundworkopensource.com (Peter Mui)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 10:41:30 -0700
Subject: [sf-perl] Reminder: Tomorrow's Monitoring SIG (Weds March 14 7PM)
Message-ID: <AAE0E744-A893-42A5-BE57-A07BD0E1AE37@groundworkopensource.com>

(Hi:  Just a friendly reminder of tomorrow's Monitoring SIG: feel  
free to forward this along and invite others. Cheers, -Peter)



-------------------------------------------------------------------

March '07 BayLISA Monitoring SIG: COSMOS

Craig Thomas will present on COmmunity Systems Management Open Source  
(COSMOS), the Eclipse initiative to standardize Systems Management  
interfaces (http://www.eclipse.org/cosmos/).  This is a chance to  
hear about this project and figure out how it relates to our efforts  
to document and promote best practices in Systems Management.  We'll  
also have freeform Q&A where you can take advantage of the assembled  
wisdom to tackle your thorniest (or most basic) monitoring issues.

What:     BayLISA Monitoring SIG V: COSMOS - COmmunity Systems  
Management Open Source
Who:      Anyone interested in IT monitoring issues and tools:  
newbies particularly welcome!
When:    Wednesday, March 14 2007, 7PM
Where:  GroundWork Open Source, 139 Townsend St., San Francisco
How:     139 Townsend St. is very near AT&T Park. It is two blocks  
from the CalTrain Depot.  Take the MUNI N trolley "inbound" to 2nd  
and King (ballpark stop) or take the 15 or 30 buses (among others)  
crosstown.  Free evening street parking can usually be found.
Cost:      Free!!

Piping hot pizza, refreshingly cold pop, and tepid, room temperature  
snacks will be provided by GroundWork.  We'll open up the doors at  
6:30 or so and start the formal part of the meeting promptly at 7PM.

RSVP (not necessary, but helpful): Peter Mui,  
pmui at groundworkopensource.com, 415 992 4573

-------------------------------------------------------------------
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/sanfrancisco-pm/attachments/20070313/b785ebd3/attachment.html 

From vlb at cfcl.com  Fri Mar 16 16:29:14 2007
From: vlb at cfcl.com (Vicki Brown)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 16:29:14 -0700
Subject: [sf-perl] JOB: Do you know a tech writer looking for (contract)
	work?
Message-ID: <p06240503c220d72ed204@[192.168.1.206]>

The Company that Employs me is very likely to be bringing in a tech
writer, on contract, in about 2 months.

Please forward to anyone you know who meets this description and ask that
person to contact me.

The job would be onsite in Sunnyvale.

the ideal tech writer would have experience with:

  - Content Management Systems
  - Documenting APIs
  - Describing technical concepts to non technical audiences
  - Writing for both technical and non-technical audiences
  - Documenting on the web (Twiki)

 Must be
  - Able to to define a framework for documentation for a large multi\
    component system
  - Able to work self-managed and still provide results (we're not into
    micromanaging or babysitting)

-- 
- Vicki

     ZZZ
  zzZ                   San Francisco Bay Area, CA
 z  |\     _,,,---,,_   Books, Cats, Tech
zz /,`.-'`'    -.  ;-;;,_  http://cfcl.com/vlb
  |,4-  ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-'  http://cfcl.com/vlb/weblog
 '---''(_/--'  `-'\_)      http://vlb.typepad.com/commentary/

From vlb at cfcl.com  Sun Mar 18 11:48:25 2007
From: vlb at cfcl.com (Vicki Brown)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 11:48:25 -0700
Subject: [sf-perl] seeking recommendation for discussion SW,
	2-way email access
Message-ID: <p06240519c22339f3f9a6@[192.168.1.206]>

I am noodling around on an idea for improving discussion and communication
at my Job.

Summary: I want a threaded, easy to install and use discussion package
that can be read/posted to via the web or email (not just email
"notification")  and which will retain archives until we delete them. The
capability of email in/out is a requirement.

Background: We have several mailing lists in the group, including two
discussion lists - one for the full group and one for a smaller subset
(aka "council). All of our lists are internal only, company hosted via
"SYMPA" and archived for no more than 60 days.

Because we do much of our work via shared discussion lists, everyone gets
a LOT of email. This causes tension between the people who are following
and participating in a discussion and the ones who aren't. The latter
would like the email to disappear. "Too Much mail on this topic!" they
cry. Those who are actively participating don't want the conversation shut
down arbitrarily.

I've been thinking that it would be useful to have an online collaborative
"forum" with two-way email gateway capability. People who want email could
post/read via email. People who don't want email could post/read via the
web or ignore a conversation entirely. As a useful side effect, we could
have discussions archived for longer than the company standard 60 days.

We have TWiki and I've thought of using this, but TWiki doesn't accept
posting via email. I'd like to avoid writing gateway software myself.

Because we'd be hosting this within the group (i.e. I would be hosting
this, on my desktop system), any solution needs to be easy to install and
manage. My day job does not include playing sys admin for a special
package.

In addition, I have no budget for this. If I find something terrific for
under $50 I might buy a license myself. Or, if management likes proof of
concept, they might pay for something. But currently this is my own
half-baked idea. So I need freeware or inexpensive with a free trial
period.

Any solution needs to run on a Unix-based system. The machine under my
desk runs Mac OS X, so that's the easiest.

Suggestions welcomed.
-- 
- Vicki

     ZZZ
  zzZ                   San Francisco Bay Area, CA
 z  |\     _,,,---,,_   Books, Cats, Tech
zz /,`.-'`'    -.  ;-;;,_  http://cfcl.com/vlb
  |,4-  ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-'  http://cfcl.com/vlb/weblog
 '---''(_/--'  `-'\_)      http://vlb.typepad.com/commentary/

From rick at linuxmafia.com  Sun Mar 18 13:24:35 2007
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 13:24:35 -0700
Subject: [sf-perl] seeking recommendation for discussion SW,
	2-way email access
In-Reply-To: <p06240519c22339f3f9a6@[192.168.1.206]>
References: <p06240519c22339f3f9a6@[192.168.1.206]>
Message-ID: <20070318202434.GE3456@linuxmafia.com>

Quoting Vicki Brown (vlb at cfcl.com):

> Summary: I want a threaded, easy to install and use discussion package
> that can be read/posted to via the web or email (not just email
> "notification")  and which will retain archives until we delete them. The
> capability of email in/out is a requirement.
 
Mailman bidirectionally gatewayed to a Leafnode NNTP news server.
(You'll need the Leafnode 2.0 beta for the necessary local newsgroup
support.)  Disable the cron script for periodic expiring of news
articles, and you have your permanent archive on the NNTP
news spool side.  Mailman automatically does likewise on the SMTP side
-- with Leafnode's spool offering the advantage of participants being
able to post to any thread (of any age) at any time.

That doesn't include your desired feature of posting from the Web (use
your favourite webmail package, I guess), but does support browsing HTML
archives.

(Some people actually profess to like Web-based "forum" software and not
find it woefully deficient -- testimony to the cheerily wide range of
available opinion.)


From storm at iparadigms.com  Mon Mar 19 11:00:07 2007
From: storm at iparadigms.com (Christian Storm)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 11:00:07 -0700
Subject: [sf-perl] Perl job offer in Oaktown
Message-ID: <BA861826-ABB7-428D-A3FF-F063F74FAD27@iparadigms.com>

Hi Everyone,

My company is looking for a full time Perl web developer.  Currently,  
we're using Apache::ASP but we
are transitioning to Catalyst MVC.  We are also getting real serious  
about best practices and doing
it right the first time.

See http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/eng/295206493.html for more details.

Quinn has some familiarity with our Co. if you want the inside dope.

I hope this shakes a few good apple's loose from the tree ;)

Cheers,

Christian

Christian Storm, Ph.D.
CTO

iParadigms, LLC- the developers of Turnitin
1624 Franklin St., 7th Floor
Oakland, CA 94612



From extasia at extasia.org  Mon Mar 19 17:58:53 2007
From: extasia at extasia.org (David Alban)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 17:58:53 -0700
Subject: [sf-perl] [humor] sudo
Message-ID: <4c714a9c0703191758q4f7e4ee4r21773fb40b482d75@mail.gmail.com>

http://xkcd.com/comics/sandwich.png

-- 
Live in a world of your own, but always welcome visitors.

From Adam.Morgan at safeway.com  Mon Mar 19 18:07:13 2007
From: Adam.Morgan at safeway.com (Adam Morgan)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 19:07:13 -0600
Subject: [sf-perl] Flex 2.0 web service client integration with a perl web
	service
In-Reply-To: <4c714a9c0703191758q4f7e4ee4r21773fb40b482d75@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5113C869AE8FD844B3589414188D35A9AD9B70@PHITPR05EXC01.safeway01.ad.safeway.com>

Has anyone had any experience integrating a Flex 2.0 web service client
with a perl server? I have a SOAP server in perl which works perfectly
well with a perl client, however, when I try and use the Flex 2.0, I get
a vague error about the object being null. The perl server is accessed
via a local http daemon using WSDL (because the Flex requires the WSDL
definition as far as I can tell).

Thanks for any help you can provide.

Adam Morgan

"MMS <safeway.com>" made the following annotations.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Warning: 
All e-mail sent to this address will be received by the Safeway corporate e-mail system, and is subject to archival and review by someone other than the recipient.  This e-mail may contain information proprietary to Safeway and is intended only for the use of the intended recipient(s).  If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient(s), you are notified that you have received this message in error and that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited.  If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately. 
  
==============================================================================


From quinn at fairpath.com  Tue Mar 20 12:41:27 2007
From: quinn at fairpath.com (Quinn Weaver)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 11:41:27 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] Reminder:  TWiki talk a week from today
Message-ID: <20070320194127.GA33400@fu.funkspiel.org>

Reminder:  our TWiki talk is next Tuesday (March 27).  If you know
you're coming now, RSVP to Jeff.Thalhamer at barclaysglobal.com.

We expect to have some guests from iParadigms, where they use TWiki
as their main knowledge management system.  Should make for some good
conversation.

----- Forwarded message from Quinn Weaver <quinn at fairpath.com> -----

Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 21:49:06 -0800
From: Quinn Weaver <quinn at fairpath.com>
To: sanfrancisco-pm at pm.org
Subject: March 27:  Peter Thoeny on TWiki

Confirmed:  Peter, the TWiki maintainer, will do a talk on TWiki
March 27.  Yay open source entrepreneurs! :)

BGI will again be paying for Little Star pizza.  Yay institutional investors!
:) Thanks to Jeff Thalhammer.

Time:  8:00 p.m.
Date:  March 27
Place: Barclays Global Investors, 45 Fremont St, San Francisco

Here's Peter's full-length blurb on the talk.  Hope we'll see you there.

_____________________________________________________________________
Title:

Wiki Collaboration and Wiki Applications for the Workplace

_____________________________________________________________________
Description:

A wiki is a website where anyone with a browser can create and
maintain web content. It enables teams to organize and share content
and knowledge in an organic and free manner, and to schedule, manage
and document their daily activities. A wiki is also used as an
intranet where employees contribute content collaboratively, replacing
a webmaster maintained intranet. This talk explains what wikis are and
how they are used, covers social aspects and security concerns, and
teaches how to roll out a wiki. It also explains how teams can use
TWiki, an open-source wiki for the enterprise, to build tailored wiki
applications supporting their workflow and processes.

Attendees will learn what wikis are and how they can be applied to the
enterprise; the wiki culture and ways of collaboration it offers; how
to successfully roll out a wiki; and how situational wiki applications
can support business processes.

_____________________________________________________________________
Biography:

Peter Thoeny is the founder of TWiki <http://twiki.org/>, the
leading Wiki for corporate collaboration and knowledge management.
Managing the open-sourced project for the last seven years, Peter
invented the concept of structured wikis - where free form wiki
content can be structured with tailored wiki applications.

He is a recognized thought-leader in Wikis and social software,
featured in numerous articles and technology conferences including
LinuxWorld, Business Week, Wall Street Journal and more. A software
developer with over 15 years experience, Peter specializes in software
architecture, user interface design and web technology.

He graduated from the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology in Zurich,
lived in Japan for 8 years working as an engineering manager for Denso
building CASE tools, and managed the Knowledge Engineering group at
Wind River for several years. He is currently working on a book on
wikis for the workplace.

Peter co-founded StructuredWikis LLC
<http://www.structuredwikis.com/>, a company offering services that
allows teams to use wikis to improve productivity and communication
through basic and advanced application of wikis.

-- 
Quinn Weaver, independent contractor  |  President, San Francisco Perl Mongers
http://fairpath.com/quinn/resume/     |  http://sf.pm.org/

----- End forwarded message -----

-- 
Quinn Weaver, independent contractor  |  President, San Francisco Perl Mongers
http://fairpath.com/quinn/resume/     |  http://sf.pm.org/

From quinn at fairpath.com  Wed Mar 21 19:19:07 2007
From: quinn at fairpath.com (Quinn Weaver)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 18:19:07 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] [off-topic] Billing software
Message-ID: <20070322021907.GA44899@fu.funkspiel.org>

Hi, all,

This isn't really a Perl question, but I know there are a number of
other contractors on the list, so I'm going to go ahead and ask it anyway. ;)

I need to replace my time-tracking/billing system.  It's more or less
spreadsheet-based and home-grown and more or less of a pain.  What I
want is a system that can both a) track my time against different
tasks and clients and b) auto-generate invoices.  Using any two separate
systems for time and invoices turns out to be a surprisingly big hassle.

Some time ago I researched open-source solutions and came up with nothing.
The closest I found were LedgerSMB and gnucash, but they both do
bookkeeping only and not time-tracking.  So I gritted my teeth and
stuck to the current solution.

Now I'm thinking of taking drastic measures:  using proprietary software
or even getting a second-hand Mac or a Windows box for the task.

Any tips on what to use?  I'm hoping for "I use X and it Just Works"
or "I use Y and it's tolerable," but I'll take "I heard Z works." ;)

Many thanks,

-- 
Quinn Weaver, independent contractor  |  President, San Francisco Perl Mongers
http://fairpath.com/quinn/resume/     |  http://sf.pm.org/

From masri at nolex.com  Wed Mar 21 22:20:23 2007
From: masri at nolex.com (Adam Masri)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 22:20:23 -0700
Subject: [sf-perl] [off-topic] Billing software
In-Reply-To: <20070322021907.GA44899@fu.funkspiel.org>
References: <20070322021907.GA44899@fu.funkspiel.org>
Message-ID: <1EDA2438-0005-4D1A-84F9-E394EA039A71@nolex.com>


On Mar 21, 2007, at 7:19 PM, Quinn Weaver wrote:

> I need to replace my time-tracking/billing system.  It's more or less
> spreadsheet-based and home-grown and more or less of a pain.

...

> Now I'm thinking of taking drastic measures:  using proprietary  
> software
> or even getting a second-hand Mac or a Windows box for the task.
>
> Any tips on what to use?  I'm hoping for "I use X and it Just Works"
> or "I use Y and it's tolerable," but I'll take "I heard Z works." ;)

If you will accept proprietary software, I use, and can recommend,  
AccountEdge. Check out www.myob.com & dl a demo. Their software  
creates a datafile that is Windows & Mac compatible, so if you use a  
Mac & your accountant uses Windows, your accountant can work on your  
datafile, then give it back to you for monthly closings & whatnot.  
MYOB will also give your accountant or bookkeeper a free copy if they  
don't already have it.

I bill for my time, and AccountEdge makes it very quick to do those  
kinds of billings. You can put in your hours & descriptions of what  
you do, then create an invoice. AccountEdge will give you a list of  
customers with outstanding billable hours, then allow you to generate  
invoices from those hours. After generating the invoice, AccountEdge  
can print the invoice, or you can even have it generate a pdf &  
automatically email it using Apple's Mail application to the email  
address in the customer record. Using this feature, I generate  
invoices that are emailed to my clients before I walk out the door.  
The software can print a simple invoice, print on pre-printed forms,  
or you can customize your own invoice with your own logo & whatnot  
(that's what I do). AccountEdge is a full blown accounting package  
that does invoicing, receivables, and a full general ledger so you  
know how you're doing.

A quick commercial interruption: I am a Macintosh computer  
consultant. If you're interested in a Mac, AccountEdge, or other  
hardware or software for the Mac, please email me offline & I'll be  
happy to discuss your needs with you.

Adam Masri     masri at nolex.com
President      www.nolex.com
Nolex


From quinn at fairpath.com  Mon Mar 26 14:15:24 2007
From: quinn at fairpath.com (Quinn Weaver)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 13:15:24 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] Reminder:  TWiki meeting tomorrow
Message-ID: <20070326211524.GC93449@fu.funkspiel.org>

Hey, all,

Just a reminder that we're meeting tomorrow (Tuesday) for pizza and
Peter's talk on TWiki.  If you haven't already, RSVPleeeeeeeease !
to Jeff.Thalhammer at barclaysglobal.com.

All the location and transit details are here:
http://sf.pm.org/weblog/archives/00000043.html

Hope to see you there,

-- 
Quinn Weaver, independent contractor  |  President, San Francisco Perl Mongers
http://fairpath.com/quinn/resume/     |  http://sf.pm.org/

From quinn at fairpath.com  Mon Mar 26 14:17:49 2007
From: quinn at fairpath.com (Quinn Weaver)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 13:17:49 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] Reminder:  TWiki meeting tomorrow
In-Reply-To: <20070326211524.GC93449@fu.funkspiel.org>
References: <20070326211524.GC93449@fu.funkspiel.org>
Message-ID: <20070326211749.GA93509@fu.funkspiel.org>

On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 01:15:24PM -0800, Quinn Weaver wrote:
> Hey, all,
> 
> Just a reminder that we're meeting tomorrow (Tuesday) for pizza and

Oh yeah... I am bringing a comp copy of Higher-Order Perl and a Perl magnetic
poetry set to give away.  If you have stuff to give away, bring it along,
and we'll have a swap meet. ;)

-- 
Quinn Weaver, independent contractor  |  President, San Francisco Perl Mongers
http://fairpath.com/quinn/resume/     |  http://sf.pm.org/

From james at actionmessage.com  Tue Mar 27 06:01:29 2007
From: james at actionmessage.com (James Briggs)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 05:01:29 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] Job: Full-time Perl/PHP Programmer for SF Graphics
	Software Company
Message-ID: <20070327125840.M66526@actionmessage.com>

Hi Guys.

James Briggs here. I'm looking for a Perl/PHP web programmer
for a telecommute/SF opening.

I'll be attending the talk tonite, so let me know if you have
any questions, or reply to james at framefree.us with a subject of
"WEB1: resume - your name".

Web Programming Job Description
===============================

Company name: FrameFree Technologies

Internal ID: WEB1

Location: United States, California, San Francisco or Telecommute

Pay rate: Market

Travel: 0%

Terms of employment: Salaried employee

Length of employment: Permanent

Hours: Full time

Onsite: some

Description:
FrameFree develops advanced graphics software and has offices in 3
countries. There is an open position in the Bay Area for a staff web
programmer for our online store and community. We use the usual LAMP stack.

Required skills:
- Expert in either Perl or PHP, knowledgeable in the other
- JavaScript programming experience
- experienced with database programming with MySQL and/or Oracle
- web programming experience on Linux/Unix
- web ecommerce experience, especially reporting
- reliable
- good communications skills
- either telecommute or in-office (both acceptable), but if telecommute
must be available on Skype chat daily and willing to meet at least one day
per week in the San Francisco area

Desired skills:
Nice to have optional skills (in order of decreasing importance):

- Familiar with reliable, high-performance web architectures
- Linux/Unix systems administration experience
- AJAX programming experience
- web scalability/load balancing
- web security experience
- SEO
- XML
- source revision control experience with Perforce, CVS or Subversion
- advanced SQL query experience
- i18n programming experience
- web design experience (HTML, CSS, JavaScript)
- C/C++ or Java experience
- release packaging experience
- Win32 programming experience

URL for more information: http://www.framefree.com/

end

From rdm at cfcl.com  Wed Mar 28 02:14:23 2007
From: rdm at cfcl.com (Rich Morin)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 02:14:23 -0700
Subject: [sf-perl] BASS Meeting (SF), Wed. March 28
Message-ID: <p0623093dc22fe1658afe@[192.168.1.205]>

The Beer and Scripting SIG rides again!  If you'd like to
eat good Chinese food, chat with other local scripters,
and possibly take a look at laptop-demoed scripting hacks,
this is the place to do it!

For your convenience, here are the critical details:

  Date:   Wednesday, March 28, 2007 (4th. Wed.)
  Time:   8:00 pm
  Place:  Wild Pepper
          3601 26th St. (near San Jose Ave.)
          San Francisco, California, USA
          415/695-767[89]

-r
-- 
http://www.cfcl.com/rdm            Rich Morin
http://www.cfcl.com/rdm/resume     rdm at cfcl.com
http://www.cfcl.com/rdm/weblog     +1 650-873-7841

Technical editing and writing, programming, and web development

From philip_mikal at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 28 11:06:19 2007
From: philip_mikal at yahoo.com (Philip J. Mikal)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 11:06:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-perl] 1 month contract/contract to hire - financial services
	startup
Message-ID: <531806.13762.qm@web60520.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi SanFrancisco.pm,

I've started a new company in the online payments
industry and need a perl ninja to get our working
prototype out the door. You'll be dealing with our
partner's XML service as well as a credit card
processing gateway. Linux, MySQL, Apache... Mostly
onsite at our office, 2nd and Market in San Francisco.
4-6 weeks with possible long-term contract, contract
to hire, market pay. Send me your availability, hourly
rate and resume if interested.

Thanks!

Philip Mikal
CEO, CardIt



From james at actionmessage.com  Thu Mar 29 01:47:26 2007
From: james at actionmessage.com (James Briggs)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 00:47:26 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] Reminder:  TWiki meeting - blog post
In-Reply-To: <20070326211749.GA93509@fu.funkspiel.org>
References: <20070326211524.GC93449@fu.funkspiel.org>
	<20070326211749.GA93509@fu.funkspiel.org>
Message-ID: <20070329084533.M14639@actionmessage.com>

On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 13:17:49 -0800, Quinn Weaver wrote
> On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 01:15:24PM -0800, Quinn Weaver wrote:
> > Hey, all,
> > 
> > Just a reminder that we're meeting tomorrow (Tuesday) for pizza and

Hi folks.

I wrote a blog post about the meeting for those who couldn't attend.

Or, those you did make it can proof-read it for me. :)

sf.pm.org: Peter Thoeny talks about twiki
http://www.jebriggs.com/blog/?p=320

Thanks,
James Briggs


From quinn at fairpath.com  Thu Mar 29 09:48:26 2007
From: quinn at fairpath.com (Quinn Weaver)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 08:48:26 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] Reminder:  TWiki meeting - blog post
In-Reply-To: <20070329084533.M14639@actionmessage.com>
References: <20070326211524.GC93449@fu.funkspiel.org>
	<20070326211749.GA93509@fu.funkspiel.org>
	<20070329084533.M14639@actionmessage.com>
Message-ID: <20070329164826.GB22541@fu.funkspiel.org>

On Thu, Mar 29, 2007 at 12:47:26AM -0800, James Briggs wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 13:17:49 -0800, Quinn Weaver wrote
> > On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 01:15:24PM -0800, Quinn Weaver wrote:
> > > Hey, all,
> > > 
> > > Just a reminder that we're meeting tomorrow (Tuesday) for pizza and
> 
> Hi folks.
> 
> I wrote a blog post about the meeting for those who couldn't attend.
> 
> Or, those you did make it can proof-read it for me. :)
> 
> sf.pm.org: Peter Thoeny talks about twiki
> http://www.jebriggs.com/blog/?p=320

Thanks for doing this.  I would like to start writing and posting
summaries for the meetings myself--Stewart Brand does it for the SALT
talks, and I've found it to be very useful.

In fact, this is a good time to revisit the question of whether we,
sanfrancisco.pm, should have a wiki.  Judging by the enthusiastic response
Tuesday night, I would say yes.

Andy Lester once offered to set up a socialtext wiki at pm.org.  Andy,
is that offer still on the table?  Of course, if not, we understand.
However, if you do happen to set one up, I think it's fair to say
you'll have some users in sanfrancisco.pm. :)

-- 
Quinn Weaver, independent contractor  |  President, San Francisco Perl Mongers
http://fairpath.com/quinn/resume/     |  http://sf.pm.org/

From friedman at highwire.stanford.edu  Fri Mar 30 12:45:55 2007
From: friedman at highwire.stanford.edu (Michael Friedman)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 12:45:55 -0700
Subject: [sf-perl] Perl job at Stanford
Message-ID: <726BA0A2-1549-4321-A3E9-ED8E60550D22@highwire.stanford.edu>

My office at Stanford just posted a job for a SQL/XML/XSLT/Perl  
programmer. The manager in charge of this position says that Perl is  
most definitely a major part of the job, even though the posting  
itself is written to cast a wider net.

We're an off-campus group, run like a startup, so you get the great  
benefits that Stanford offers (Can you say "Free Caltrain"?) without  
much of the hassle of working for a giant bureaucracy. We let people  
work from home, bring their dogs to the office, etc. It's not Google,  
but we let you go home after 40 hours a week too. :-) Oh, and we're  
helping to spread knowledge around the world. You can't beat that for  
a perk.

The work will be with our 1000-module Object-Oriented Perl system,  
Sybase databases, and probably some with our new-still-in-development  
Xerces/Saxon/MarkLogic XML system.

If anyone is interested in more information, or in applying, please  
let me know.

Thanks!
-- Mike

About HighWire Press: http://highwire.stanford.edu/about/

The job posting (all together now... "I hate Trovix"):
http://recruit.trovix.com/jobhost/jobhost/ViewJobPostDetails.do? 
title=SENIOR+SOFTWARE+DEVELOPER%2C+HIGHWIRE 
+PRESS&jobPostId=599721&accountId=de85ad313f8598db1c42b567a3df24a00497ba 
22&button=&action=viewDetails


---------------------------------------------------------------------
Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
FAX:   270-721-8034                  <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
---------------------------------------------------------------------



From boss at gregerhaga.net  Fri Mar 30 12:48:39 2007
From: boss at gregerhaga.net (Greger)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 22:48:39 +0300
Subject: [sf-perl] Perl job at Stanford
In-Reply-To: <726BA0A2-1549-4321-A3E9-ED8E60550D22@highwire.stanford.edu>
References: <726BA0A2-1549-4321-A3E9-ED8E60550D22@highwire.stanford.edu>
Message-ID: <20070330194801.M93454@gregerhaga.net>

On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 12:45:55 -0700, Michael Friedman wrote
> My office at Stanford just posted a job for a SQL/XML/XSLT/Perl  
> programmer. The manager in charge of this position says that Perl is 
>  most definitely a major part of the job, even though the posting  
> itself is written to cast a wider net.
> 
> We're an off-campus group, run like a startup, so you get the great  
> benefits that Stanford offers (Can you say "Free Caltrain"?) without 
>  much of the hassle of working for a giant bureaucracy. We let 
> people  work from home, bring their dogs to the office, etc. It's 
> not Google,  but we let you go home after 40 hours a week too. :-) 
> Oh, and we're  helping to spread knowledge around the world. You 
> can't beat that for  a perk.
> 
> The work will be with our 1000-module Object-Oriented Perl system,  
> Sybase databases, and probably some with our new-still-in-
> development  Xerces/Saxon/MarkLogic XML system.
> 
> If anyone is interested in more information, or in applying, please  
> let me know.
> 
totally interested, do you provide relocation?work visa?, *S*S*S; you are kind
of remote, finland here:*S*
have a great weekend
> Thanks!
> -- Mike
> 
> About HighWire Press: http://highwire.stanford.edu/about/
> 
> The job posting (all together now... "I hate Trovix"):
> http://recruit.trovix.com/jobhost/jobhost/ViewJobPostDetails.do? 
> title=SENIOR+SOFTWARE+DEVELOPER%2C+HIGHWIRE 
> +PRESS&jobPostId=599721&accountId=de85ad313f8598db1c42b567a3df24a00497ba
22&button=&action=viewDetails
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
> Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
> FAX:   270-721-8034                  <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SanFrancisco-pm mailing list
> SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm


--
http://www.gregerhaga.net/
http://hack-space.biz/


From friedman at highwire.stanford.edu  Fri Mar 30 12:51:32 2007
From: friedman at highwire.stanford.edu (Michael Friedman)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 12:51:32 -0700
Subject: [sf-perl] Perl job at Stanford
In-Reply-To: <726BA0A2-1549-4321-A3E9-ED8E60550D22@highwire.stanford.edu>
References: <726BA0A2-1549-4321-A3E9-ED8E60550D22@highwire.stanford.edu>
Message-ID: <8656C7F4-4BFF-46AA-8078-8ADC0AF18FFC@highwire.stanford.edu>

Let's try that URL again:

http://recruit.trovix.com/jobhost/jobhost/ViewJobPostDetails.do? 
title=SENIOR+SOFTWARE+DEVELOPER%2C+HIGHWIRE 
+PRESS&jobPostId=599721&accountId=de85ad313f8598db1c42b567a3df24a00497ba 
22&button=&action=viewDetails

On Mar 30, 2007, at 12:45 PM, Michael Friedman wrote:

> My office at Stanford just posted a job for a SQL/XML/XSLT/Perl
> programmer. The manager in charge of this position says that Perl is
> most definitely a major part of the job, even though the posting
> itself is written to cast a wider net.
>
> We're an off-campus group, run like a startup, so you get the great
> benefits that Stanford offers (Can you say "Free Caltrain"?) without
> much of the hassle of working for a giant bureaucracy. We let people
> work from home, bring their dogs to the office, etc. It's not Google,
> but we let you go home after 40 hours a week too. :-) Oh, and we're
> helping to spread knowledge around the world. You can't beat that for
> a perk.
>
> The work will be with our 1000-module Object-Oriented Perl system,
> Sybase databases, and probably some with our new-still-in-development
> Xerces/Saxon/MarkLogic XML system.
>
> If anyone is interested in more information, or in applying, please
> let me know.
>
> Thanks!
> -- Mike
>
> About HighWire Press: http://highwire.stanford.edu/about/
>
> The job posting (all together now... "I hate Trovix"):
> http://recruit.trovix.com/jobhost/jobhost/ViewJobPostDetails.do?
> title=SENIOR+SOFTWARE+DEVELOPER%2C+HIGHWIRE
> +PRESS&jobPostId=599721&accountId=de85ad313f8598db1c42b567a3df24a00497 
> ba
> 22&button=&action=viewDetails
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
> Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
> FAX:   270-721-8034                  <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SanFrancisco-pm mailing list
> SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm

---------------------------------------------------------------------
Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
FAX:   270-721-8034                  <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
---------------------------------------------------------------------



From aarong at divinia.com  Fri Mar 30 13:15:44 2007
From: aarong at divinia.com (Aaron Gowatch)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 13:15:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-perl] Perl job at Stanford
In-Reply-To: <8656C7F4-4BFF-46AA-8078-8ADC0AF18FFC@highwire.stanford.edu>
References: <726BA0A2-1549-4321-A3E9-ED8E60550D22@highwire.stanford.edu>
	<8656C7F4-4BFF-46AA-8078-8ADC0AF18FFC@highwire.stanford.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0703301315150.10951@nuevo.divinia.com>

Redirx is a handy url shortener:

http://redirx.com/?7dy

Aa.

On Fri, 30 Mar 2007, Michael Friedman wrote:

> Let's try that URL again:
>
> http://recruit.trovix.com/jobhost/jobhost/ViewJobPostDetails.do?
> title=SENIOR+SOFTWARE+DEVELOPER%2C+HIGHWIRE
> +PRESS&jobPostId=599721&accountId=de85ad313f8598db1c42b567a3df24a00497ba
> 22&button=&action=viewDetails
>
> On Mar 30, 2007, at 12:45 PM, Michael Friedman wrote:
>
>> My office at Stanford just posted a job for a SQL/XML/XSLT/Perl
>> programmer. The manager in charge of this position says that Perl is
>> most definitely a major part of the job, even though the posting
>> itself is written to cast a wider net.
>>
>> We're an off-campus group, run like a startup, so you get the great
>> benefits that Stanford offers (Can you say "Free Caltrain"?) without
>> much of the hassle of working for a giant bureaucracy. We let people
>> work from home, bring their dogs to the office, etc. It's not Google,
>> but we let you go home after 40 hours a week too. :-) Oh, and we're
>> helping to spread knowledge around the world. You can't beat that for
>> a perk.
>>
>> The work will be with our 1000-module Object-Oriented Perl system,
>> Sybase databases, and probably some with our new-still-in-development
>> Xerces/Saxon/MarkLogic XML system.
>>
>> If anyone is interested in more information, or in applying, please
>> let me know.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> -- Mike
>>
>> About HighWire Press: http://highwire.stanford.edu/about/
>>
>> The job posting (all together now... "I hate Trovix"):
>> http://recruit.trovix.com/jobhost/jobhost/ViewJobPostDetails.do?
>> title=SENIOR+SOFTWARE+DEVELOPER%2C+HIGHWIRE
>> +PRESS&jobPostId=599721&accountId=de85ad313f8598db1c42b567a3df24a00497
>> ba
>> 22&button=&action=viewDetails
>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
>> Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
>> FAX:   270-721-8034                  <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SanFrancisco-pm mailing list
>> SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
> Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
> FAX:   270-721-8034                  <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SanFrancisco-pm mailing list
> SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm
>
>

From friedman at highwire.stanford.edu  Fri Mar 30 13:26:44 2007
From: friedman at highwire.stanford.edu (Michael Friedman)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 13:26:44 -0700
Subject: [sf-perl] Perl job at Stanford
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0703301315150.10951@nuevo.divinia.com>
References: <726BA0A2-1549-4321-A3E9-ED8E60550D22@highwire.stanford.edu>
	<8656C7F4-4BFF-46AA-8078-8ADC0AF18FFC@highwire.stanford.edu>
	<Pine.LNX.4.63.0703301315150.10951@nuevo.divinia.com>
Message-ID: <32522061-3214-4D0C-8874-DB4564E0C5DB@highwire.stanford.edu>

Yeah. We use TinyURL internally, I was more arguing with Mail.app  
there. Sorry to spam the list.

Clickable link to the job posting: http://tinyurl.com/2eaedf

Thanks,
-- Mike

On Mar 30, 2007, at 1:15 PM, Aaron Gowatch wrote:

> Redirx is a handy url shortener:
>
> http://redirx.com/?7dy
>
> Aa.
>
> On Mar 30, 2007, at 12:45 PM, Michael Friedman wrote:
>
>> My office at Stanford just posted a job for a SQL/XML/XSLT/Perl
>> programmer. The manager in charge of this position says that Perl is
>> most definitely a major part of the job, even though the posting
>> itself is written to cast a wider net.
>>
>> We're an off-campus group, run like a startup, so you get the great
>> benefits that Stanford offers (Can you say "Free Caltrain"?) without
>> much of the hassle of working for a giant bureaucracy. We let people
>> work from home, bring their dogs to the office, etc. It's not Google,
>> but we let you go home after 40 hours a week too. :-) Oh, and we're
>> helping to spread knowledge around the world. You can't beat that for
>> a perk.
>>
>> The work will be with our 1000-module Object-Oriented Perl system,
>> Sybase databases, and probably some with our new-still-in-development
>> Xerces/Saxon/MarkLogic XML system.
>>
>> If anyone is interested in more information, or in applying, please
>> let me know.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> -- Mike
>>
>> About HighWire Press: http://highwire.stanford.edu/about/
>>
>> The job posting (all together now... "I hate Trovix"):
>> http://recruit.trovix.com/jobhost/jobhost/ViewJobPostDetails.do?
>> title=SENIOR+SOFTWARE+DEVELOPER%2C+HIGHWIRE
>> +PRESS&jobPostId=599721&accountId=de85ad313f8598db1c42b567a3df24a0049 
>> 7
>> ba
>> 22&button=&action=viewDetails
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
FAX:   270-721-8034                  <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
---------------------------------------------------------------------



From quinn at fairpath.com  Fri Mar 30 14:47:46 2007
From: quinn at fairpath.com (Quinn Weaver)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 13:47:46 -0800
Subject: [sf-perl] Perl job at Stanford
In-Reply-To: <726BA0A2-1549-4321-A3E9-ED8E60550D22@highwire.stanford.edu>
References: <726BA0A2-1549-4321-A3E9-ED8E60550D22@highwire.stanford.edu>
Message-ID: <20070330214746.GA33660@fu.funkspiel.org>

Thanks for the job posting.  Looks like interesting stuff.

When posting jobs (or posting an ad as a job-seeker), please start the
Subject line with [job].

Thanks,

-- 
Quinn Weaver, independent contractor  |  President, San Francisco Perl Mongers
http://fairpath.com/quinn/resume/     |  http://sf.pm.org/