From rkleeman at energoncube.net  Thu May  8 15:53:41 2008
From: rkleeman at energoncube.net (Bob Kleemann)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 15:53:41 -0700
Subject: [San-Diego-pm] Meeting in one week!
Message-ID: <20080508225340.GB23936@energoncube.net>

Fellow Perl Mongers,

This is  your normal reminder about our monthly meeting, which has changed
times from previous months.  Our next meeting will be one week from today,
Thursday, May 8, at 7 PM.  It will be at the same place as previous meetings,
Panera Bread on Mira Mesa Blvd by the 15.

I look forward to seeing everyone there.

From menolly at mib.org  Thu May  8 15:58:11 2008
From: menolly at mib.org (Menolly)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 15:58:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [San-Diego-pm] Meeting in one week!
In-Reply-To: <20080508225340.GB23936@energoncube.net>
References: <20080508225340.GB23936@energoncube.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0805081557490.25305@nuthaus>

s/May 8/May 15/

On Thu, 8 May 2008, Bob Kleemann wrote:

> Fellow Perl Mongers,
>
> This is  your normal reminder about our monthly meeting, which has changed
> times from previous months.  Our next meeting will be one week from today,
> Thursday, May 8, at 7 PM.  It will be at the same place as previous meetings,
> Panera Bread on Mira Mesa Blvd by the 15.
>
> I look forward to seeing everyone there.
> _______________________________________________
> San-Diego-pm mailing list
> San-Diego-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/san-diego-pm
>

-- 
menolly at mib.org                    http://www.livejournal.com/~nolly/

On that day, many will say to me, "Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in
your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works
in your name?" And then will I declare to them, "I never knew you;
depart from me you evildoers." -- Matt 7:20-23, RSV

From rkleeman at energoncube.net  Thu May  8 16:00:17 2008
From: rkleeman at energoncube.net (Bob Kleemann)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 16:00:17 -0700
Subject: [San-Diego-pm] Meeting in one week!
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0805081557490.25305@nuthaus>
References: <20080508225340.GB23936@energoncube.net>
	<Pine.LNX.4.61.0805081557490.25305@nuthaus>
Message-ID: <20080508230017.GC23936@energoncube.net>

OK, mental note:  Next time, don't forget to add 7 days to the current date...


On Thu, May 08, 2008 at 03:58:11PM -0700, Menolly wrote:
> s/May 8/May 15/
>
> On Thu, 8 May 2008, Bob Kleemann wrote:
>
>> Fellow Perl Mongers,
>>
>> This is  your normal reminder about our monthly meeting, which has changed
>> times from previous months.  Our next meeting will be one week from today,
>> Thursday, May 8, at 7 PM.  It will be at the same place as previous meetings,
>> Panera Bread on Mira Mesa Blvd by the 15.
>>
>> I look forward to seeing everyone there.
>> _______________________________________________
>> San-Diego-pm mailing list
>> San-Diego-pm at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/san-diego-pm
>>
>
> -- 
> menolly at mib.org                    http://www.livejournal.com/~nolly/
>
> On that day, many will say to me, "Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in
> your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works
> in your name?" And then will I declare to them, "I never knew you;
> depart from me you evildoers." -- Matt 7:20-23, RSV

From chris at chrisgrau.com  Fri May 16 09:51:58 2008
From: chris at chrisgrau.com (Chris Grau)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 09:51:58 -0700
Subject: [San-Diego-pm] Meeting Recap
Message-ID: <20080516165158.GE17081@chrisgrau.com>

=head1 NAME

SanDiego::Meeting::Social - social gathering of the San Diego Perl
Mongers


=head1 DATE

Thursday, 15 May 2008, 19:00 - 21:00


=head1 DESCRIPTION

This is a simple meeting recap, conveniently written in pod so everyone
can read it in whatever format they prefer.  If you lack an appropriate
formatter, well, you can always write one.  As an added bonus, if you're
using a decent MUA *cough*Mutt*cough*, a formatter is only a few
keystrokes away:

    macro pager ,pd "<pipe-message>pod2text<enter>"


=head1 ATTENDEES

In order of appearance.

=over

=item Bob

=item Chris

=item Matt

He was just here to meet Brian and soon left us to our meeting.

=item Brian

=item Daniel

=item George

=item Manny

=item Gautam

=item Pat

=item Keith

Been with Nokia since January, but doesn't program a lot of Perl except
to get little jobs done.  Mostly uses C++ at work, but has been an avid
user of Perl since version 4.036 was released in 1993[1].

=item Cathy

We welcome Cathy to the first meeting she's been able to attend only
moderately late in a long, long time.

=back


=head1 TOPICS

=head2 How to Generate Turnout

Most attendees were slow to arrive.  By 15 after, only a couple of
people had shown up.  Is it because people are more lethargic on
Thursdays?  Daniel pointed out that maybe we'd get a better turnout if
we created an arbitrary formula to generate the meeting date and then
turned that into obfuscated Perl code.  It's an idea...

=head2 Circumventing Internet Proxies

As we all connected to Panera Bread's free wifi, it spawned a discussion
about the various free and non-free wifi access available in different
locations.  The access at Panera Bread is fairly open, allowing most, if
not all, outbound ports.  Places like the San Diego County public
libraries block outbound SSH (unconfirmed) and GTalk (confirmed) traffic.
This, obviously, spawned discussion of methods of circumventing this
problem, including ptunnel (TCP over ICMP), stunnel (TCP over SSL), and
other dastardly means of getting around these "legitimate" businesses'
methods of controlling their "free" network access (IP over DNS
anyone?).

Unfortunately, the conversation was short-lived as stunnel's web site
was blocked by Panera Bread's SonicWALL filter as a "hacking/proxy
avoidance tool."

=head2 Debian and OpenSSL

Someone asked about Debian and OpenSSL, what it is and how big an impact
it has.  Some general discussion followed.  More information can be
found on Debian's wiki: L<http://wiki.debian.org/SSLkeys>.

=head2 How Evil is Eval?

At work, Daniel has a parsing engine.  The idea is to take arbitrary
formulas from a user and apply them to data in a database.  Lots, and
lots of data.  On the order of millions of rows.  Oh, and it needs to be
fast.

One solution is to take a page (or several) from I<Higher Order Perl>
and use closures, iterators, and other bits of functional goodness.  It
may take a few minutes to run, but it's clean and correct.  Another
solution is to construct some highly optimized Perl and send it through
a string eval.  Boy is that fast!

The question then is, how evil is this?

Everyone seemed to be in general agreement that, so long as one is aware
of the risks, it's a necessary evil.  Pragmatism wins the day.

Additionally, the Safe[2] module was mentioned as a way to help mitigate
those risks.

=head2 Javascript Compiler

Daniel asked if anyone knows of the existence of a Perl-to-Javascript
compiler, similar to Google's toolkit for compiling Java to Javascript.
It would be nice.  Who wants to write Javascript, anyway?

=head2 A Database Says What?

Just how does one pronounce the acronym, "SQL" anyway?  Most seem to
prefer "sequel."  Others, being funny or just plain odd, say "squeal."
The MySQL folks, apparently, insist that their product's and company's name
is "my ess cue ell."

Wikipedia seems to have an official pronunciation:
L<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MySQL>.  Unfortunately, I've never been
very good at reading phonetics.

I wasn't sure I was going to put this in the meeting notes.  In fact, I
spent some time debating with myself whether it was worth it.  Then I
was asked if I would note my internal debate.  Before this becomes
infinitely recursive, I'll move on.

=head2 Parrot

Someone, usually a new or infrequent attendee, always asks about Perl 6
or Parrot.  When is it coming?  What will you use it for?  Personally,
and this is unfortunate, I've lost interest in it as more than a
novelty.  I don't even know when I'll be moving to 5.10, let alone 6.

A bit of time was spent looking over the myriad languages available, in
one form or another, in Parrot today.  Explanations of just what Parrot
is and what it's intended to do were given.  As with any project of any
note, there's a FAQ: L<http://www.parrotcode.org/faq/>.

=head2 How Punny

As the meeting neared its close and we discussed photographers being
disallowed from photographing public buildings, we wondered why.  Are
these terrorists plotting some vile act against our nation's public
infrastructure?  If so, why can't they just use Google StreetView?  Is
it just a matter of time before we see Google Interiors?  Google
Fingerprints?  Google DNA?

Cathy claimed there can't be a Google Anatomy, because then we'd all
have Google Eyes.

And with that, the meeting broke up.


=head1 NEXT MEETING

Thursday, 19 June 2008, 19:00 - 21:00.  Panera Bread in Mira Mesa.


=head1 REFERENCES

=over

=item 1

L<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perl#History>

=item 2

L<http://search.cpan.org/dist/Safe/>

=back

=cut
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From rkleeman at energoncube.net  Thu May 22 12:33:01 2008
From: rkleeman at energoncube.net (Bob Kleemann)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 12:33:01 -0700
Subject: [San-Diego-pm] An invitation from WiNSUG to the San Diego Perl
	Mongers group
Message-ID: <20080522193301.GA6499@energoncube.net>

For anyone that is interested, has questions, or wants more information,
please contact Eric directly.

----- Forwarded message from Eric Louie <eric at netunity.org> -----

Subject: An invitation from WiNSUG to the San Diego Perl Mongers group
From: Eric Louie <eric at netunity.org>

Hello
 
On behalf of WiNSUG (the Windows Networking Solutions Users Group), we
would like to invite you and your User's Group to attend our June
meeting.  Attendance for this meeting and the preceding dinner is free.
 
Please forward this invitation to your Users Group members and post this
on your website.  We can accomodate 100 people, and because we're
serving dinner, attendees may register at 
https://www.clicktoattend.com/invitation.aspx?code=128515
<https://www.clicktoattend.com/invitation.aspx?code=128515>  
 
June 5th, 2008 (Thursday)
WiNSUG Monthly meeting - Microsoft Vista Extranvaganza
5:30 PM-6:30 PM - Dinner (complementary) and mixer
6:30 PM-8:00 PM - Microsoft Vista for Professionals presentation by
Steve Rose
8:00 PM (or shortly after) - drawings for giveaways (software and other
valuable items)
 
If the demand is high enough, we may have a question and answer (Q&A)
session after the presentation.  
 
Thank you.  We appreciate your assistance in this, and hope to have a
full house, including some of the members of your Users Group in
attendance.  If you or any of your members have any questions, they can
visit our website at http://www.winsug.org or contact me directly at
eric at netunity.org 
 
Some background on this presentation:
*        Microsoft MVP Steve Rose will be speaking. He did a Vista
presentation at the Microsoft office in Irvine to an audience of 100 or
more, and we were so blown away with the great job he did, we grabbed
him as a speaker. This is not a big "fluff and sales presentation." This
is all meat and a giant bone to chew on. Steve is a high energy, fast
talker who knows his stuff.  Vista and SP1 will both be covered. You
will get plenty of details, great information and access to a guy that
can answer your questions. 

*        MS & Culminis have engineered a "Vista Re-launch Campaign". I
know this sounds a bit odd but they really want you to take another
look. After all, most of us will run into Vista somewhere along the way,
are currently using it or may need to seriously consider it in a Windows
2008 network. 

*        MS & Culminis is saying come take another look by providing
SWAG to this event. Including some free software and other giveaways.

*        MS  & Culminis is supporting this event by buying a REAL DINNER
for this event! It won't be catered, but it ain't cold pizza either. We
have been given a VERY generous food budget and plan on spending it.  We
can accommodate up to 100 attendees (but you must register in advance). 

*        This is the four year anniversary of WiNSUG 

Eric Louie
619-743-5375 Mobile
Louie Consulting (Information Technology for small businesses)
10606 Camino Ruiz, Suite 8-215
San Diego, CA 92126 

 

----- End forwarded message -----