From rkleeman at energoncube.net Tue Jan 2 18:15:30 2007 From: rkleeman at energoncube.net (Bob Kleemann) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 18:15:30 -0800 Subject: [San-Diego-pm] Meeting on Monday Message-ID: <20070103021530.GC2806@energoncube.net> Just a reminder folks, there will be our normal meeting this Monday, same time and same place, 7PM at the Panera Bread on Mira Mesa Blvd. I hope to see you all there. From joel at fentin.com Tue Jan 2 20:45:46 2007 From: joel at fentin.com (Joel Fentin) Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 20:45:46 -0800 Subject: [San-Diego-pm] SDPM website Message-ID: <459B34FA.9040004@fentin.com> If anybody wants to manage the SDPM website, I'd be happy to pass it along. This is not an ultimatum. I will continue to do what little I do if nobody else wants to. Originally I volunteered for this gig as a way of teaching myself perl. It helped. Future changes if I keep it: + Sometime soon I will add a bulletin board such that if anybody knows of an event he/she can post it. Any submission will be moderated as is all other public input. This suggestion came from Chris who perhaps would like to do this. + I intend to add captcha. The number of Russians trying to become members is on the rise. Not a big problem yet - just an irritant. A WHOIS lookup shows that much of this comes from one source. ======== BTW: Interesting idea. Display captcha without a graphic: http://www.omgili.com/captcha.php -- Joel Fentin tel: 760-749-8863 FAX: 760-749-8864 Email: http://fentin.com/me/ContactMe.html Biz Website: http://fentin.com Personal Website: http://fentin.com/me From chris at chrisgrau.com Wed Jan 3 13:08:59 2007 From: chris at chrisgrau.com (Chris Grau) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 13:08:59 -0800 Subject: [San-Diego-pm] SDPM website In-Reply-To: <459B34FA.9040004@fentin.com> References: <459B34FA.9040004@fentin.com> Message-ID: <20070103210859.GB29962@chrisgrau.com> On Tue, Jan 02, 2007 at 08:45:46PM -0800, Joel Fentin wrote: > If anybody wants to manage the SDPM website, I'd be happy to pass it > along. This is not an ultimatum. I will continue to do what little I > do if nobody else wants to. I'd like to work on the web site. I think it'd be fun. > Originally I volunteered for this gig as a way of teaching myself > perl. It helped. > > Future changes if I keep it: > > + Sometime soon I will add a bulletin board such that if anybody knows > of an event he/she can post it. Any submission will be moderated as is > all other public input. This suggestion came from Chris who perhaps > would like to do this. > > + I intend to add captcha. The number of Russians trying to become > members is on the rise. Not a big problem yet - just an irritant. A > WHOIS lookup shows that much of this comes from one source. That's a good idea. Alternatively, we could simply charge a web site subscription fee. ;) > ======== > > BTW: Interesting idea. Display captcha without a graphic: > http://www.omgili.com/captcha.php -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <20070108232726.GG2806@energoncube.net> References: <20070108232726.GG2806@energoncube.net> Message-ID: <86ps9pugd0.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> >>>>> "Bob" == Bob Kleemann writes: Bob> Just a reminder folks, we have our monthly meeting tonight! Bring your Bob> questions, concerns, querries, job offers, ideas and insights to the Bob> Panera Bread on Mira Mesa Blvd at 7PM tonight and we'll talk. Bob> I hope to see everyone there. Oooh, I can be there, but I'm not seeing any listing for Panera Bread on Mira Mesa Blvd. Please give me a complete address. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! From joel at fentin.com Mon Jan 8 17:48:14 2007 From: joel at fentin.com (Joel Fentin) Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 17:48:14 -0800 Subject: [San-Diego-pm] Meeting Tonight! In-Reply-To: <86ps9pugd0.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> References: <20070108232726.GG2806@energoncube.net> <86ps9pugd0.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> Message-ID: <45A2F45E.6060409@fentin.com> Randal L. Schwartz wrote: >>>>>> "Bob" == Bob Kleemann writes: > > Bob> Just a reminder folks, we have our monthly meeting tonight! Bring your > Bob> questions, concerns, querries, job offers, ideas and insights to the > Bob> Panera Bread on Mira Mesa Blvd at 7PM tonight and we'll talk. > > Bob> I hope to see everyone there. > > Oooh, I can be there, but I'm not seeing any listing for Panera > Bread on Mira Mesa Blvd. Please give me a complete address. 10751 Westview Parkway (West of I-15, SE corner of Mira Mesa Blvd. & Westview Pkwy.) -- Joel Fentin tel: 760-749-8863 FAX: 760-749-8864 Email: http://fentin.com/me/ContactMe.html Biz Website: http://fentin.com Personal Website: http://fentin.com/me From dan at tierra.net Mon Jan 8 17:48:33 2007 From: dan at tierra.net (Daniel Risse) Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 17:48:33 -0800 Subject: [San-Diego-pm] Meeting Tonight! In-Reply-To: <86ps9pugd0.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> References: <20070108232726.GG2806@energoncube.net> <86ps9pugd0.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> Message-ID: <45A2F471.6000400@tierra.net> Here is the address: Westview Parkway 10751 Westview Parkway San Diego, CA 92126 (858) 530-4000 | phone (858) 530-4003 | fax Randal L. Schwartz wrote: >>>>>> "Bob" == Bob Kleemann writes: >>>>>> > > Bob> Just a reminder folks, we have our monthly meeting tonight! Bring your > Bob> questions, concerns, querries, job offers, ideas and insights to the > Bob> Panera Bread on Mira Mesa Blvd at 7PM tonight and we'll talk. > > Bob> I hope to see everyone there. > > Oooh, I can be there, but I'm not seeing any listing for Panera > Bread on Mira Mesa Blvd. Please give me a complete address. > > From merlyn at stonehenge.com Mon Jan 8 17:49:23 2007 From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Date: 08 Jan 2007 17:49:23 -0800 Subject: [San-Diego-pm] Meeting Tonight! In-Reply-To: <45A2F45E.6060409@fentin.com> References: <20070108232726.GG2806@energoncube.net> <86ps9pugd0.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> <45A2F45E.6060409@fentin.com> Message-ID: <86lkkdufz0.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> >>>>> "Joel" == Joel Fentin writes: Joel> 10751 Westview Parkway Joel> (West of I-15, SE corner of Mira Mesa Blvd. & Westview Pkwy.) I'm downtown. It looks like I can take the 20B bus to get there (by 7:05pm). Can someone bring me back, or maybe even give me a ride? Call me at 503-522-6965. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! From rkleeman at energoncube.net Mon Jan 8 17:51:23 2007 From: rkleeman at energoncube.net (Bob Kleemann) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 17:51:23 -0800 Subject: [San-Diego-pm] Meeting Tonight! In-Reply-To: <86ps9pugd0.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> References: <20070108232726.GG2806@energoncube.net> <86ps9pugd0.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> Message-ID: <20070109015123.GH2806@energoncube.net> It's listed on our website, but here's the address: 10751 Westview Parkway San Diego CA 92126 Give me a ring if you need help: 858-354-PERL (7375). On Mon, Jan 08, 2007 at 05:40:59PM -0800, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: > >>>>> "Bob" == Bob Kleemann writes: > > Bob> Just a reminder folks, we have our monthly meeting tonight! Bring your > Bob> questions, concerns, querries, job offers, ideas and insights to the > Bob> Panera Bread on Mira Mesa Blvd at 7PM tonight and we'll talk. > > Bob> I hope to see everyone there. > > Oooh, I can be there, but I'm not seeing any listing for Panera > Bread on Mira Mesa Blvd. Please give me a complete address. > > -- > Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 > > Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. > See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! From chris at chrisgrau.com Mon Jan 8 17:54:07 2007 From: chris at chrisgrau.com (Chris Grau) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 17:54:07 -0800 Subject: [San-Diego-pm] Meeting Tonight! In-Reply-To: <86ps9pugd0.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> References: <20070108232726.GG2806@energoncube.net> <86ps9pugd0.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> Message-ID: <20070109015407.GH29962@chrisgrau.com> On Mon, Jan 08, 2007 at 05:40:59PM -0800, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: > >>>>> "Bob" == Bob Kleemann writes: > > Bob> Just a reminder folks, we have our monthly meeting tonight! Bring your > Bob> questions, concerns, querries, job offers, ideas and insights to the > Bob> Panera Bread on Mira Mesa Blvd at 7PM tonight and we'll talk. > > Bob> I hope to see everyone there. > > Oooh, I can be there, but I'm not seeing any listing for Panera > Bread on Mira Mesa Blvd. Please give me a complete address. 10751 Westview Pky San Diego, CA 92126 http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=10751+Westview+Parkway,+San+Diego,+CA+92126&ie=UTF8&z=15&om=1&iwloc=A In the same shopping center as the big Edwards Cinemas. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Randal Schwartz, known far and wide for... oh heck, you all know who he is. Anyway, he happened to be in town, so he stopped by for a meal and for some Perlish camaraderie. As is our custom, there was no agenda, no topics, no plan, and sometimes no tea. The closest thing we had to such a beast was a quick discussion between Bob, Joel, and Chris regarding passing the keys to the web site from Joel to Chris. After which, Chris shared the Lisbon Perl Mongers home page[0] to get everyone's gears turning over ideas for San Diego's web site. Once this drudgery was accomplished, the meeting quickly turned into Q&A with Randal. A brief overview of topics included (and I'm working from memory here, so anyone may feel free to chime in with discussion): + Perl 6: how to teach it to others, how it works with Perl 5 + "Learning Perl" has no Spanish translation + Placing "Learning Perl 6" under a Creative Commons license and cornering the market + Photography and Aperture[1] + It's pronounced "ess que ell," not "sequel" + Dan's "absolutify" pragma[2] + Canada, Australia, and Randal's ongoing enjoyment with the US court system That's all I have for now. It was a great meeting and I can't wait for the next one. In the meantime, keep an eye out for mail about the web site. -chris [0] http://lisbon.pm.org/ [1] http://www.apple.com/aperture/ [2] http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/san-diego-pm/2006-October/001723.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I don't know what our arrangement with LAMPhost is, but Dan Risse has offered a free hosted account with TierraNet for the web site. I'll let Dan elaborate on what that offers, but I think there are some benefits (and bragging rights) to having one of our own members host the site. So anyway, on to the first of my ideas. An events calendar. I'm leaning towards setting up a Google calendar, since it gives us so much for free. My understanding of the system is that I can simply create a public calendar, name it whatever I want, give certain people write access, and we're done. Alternatively, we could hack up a Perl script or use Sunbird to create a calendar file that we could then host on our own web site. Thoughts? I passed around a hard copy of the Lisbon Perl Mongers web site[0] last night. I wouldn't want to copy what they've done directly, but I think it's a neat idea. I think it would be fun if the home page was not only informative, but runnable: $ perl `lynx -dump http://sandiego.pm.org/` Just Another San Diego Perl Hacker Speaking of fun, what about a blog on the web site? Something akin to the O'Reilly Radar[1], in which all (or some subset) of members could post Perl-related thoughts. The Kernel Panic web site[2] is powered by Plone (a Python application - boo, hiss), which gives it user sign-up and user-based page creation. I'm not about to recommend Plone, but I like the concept. The simplest solution, I think, would be to use Kwiki, but I'm open to suggestions. This idea of mine is still just a random idea. Just another fun thing I thought we could do. I have to note that all of this is just me brainstorming. I'm not making any changes to the web site now or probably for a little while. Like I said, I want this to be a group effort (or at least have group interest, I'm volunteering to do all the effort). Emile had a good idea at the meeting last night: spend at least a few minutes during every meeting discussing the direction of the web site. That's more than enough for now. -chris [0] http://lisbon.pm.org/ [1] http://radar.oreilly.com/ [2] http://www.kernel-panic.org/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'll let Dan elaborate on what that offers, > but I think there are some benefits (and bragging rights) to having one > of our own members host the site. > > I'll do my part to try to get some discussion going. One of our biggest selling points is our outstanding customer support. We have staff available 24/7 to answer calls/emails or chats. We have redundant high-speed connections to the internet and house our own servers. Our servers run Apache on FreeBSD. One reason that we might not be attractive to most of the users at Perl Mongers is that we do not allow SSH or telnet access. Everything must be configured via our web control panel, FTP or Frontpage. But we do offer competitive rates for collocation. Of course, more information can be found at our website[a], or I'd be happy to answer any questions as well. > So anyway, on to the first of my ideas. > > An events calendar. I'm leaning towards setting up a Google calendar, > since it gives us so much for free. My understanding of the system is > that I can simply create a public calendar, name it whatever I want, > give certain people write access, and we're done. Alternatively, we > could hack up a Perl script or use Sunbird to create a calendar file > that we could then host on our own web site. Thoughts? > I think this is a cool idea. I don't have any personal experience using any calendars really, but I'd also lean towards google. Just because it sounds like it would be much faster to setup. > I passed around a hard copy of the Lisbon Perl Mongers web site[0] last > night. I wouldn't want to copy what they've done directly, but I think > it's a neat idea. I think it would be fun if the home page was not only > informative, but runnable: > > $ perl `lynx -dump http://sandiego.pm.org/` > Just Another San Diego Perl Hacker > > truly geeky, but cool sounding for sure :) > Speaking of fun, what about a blog on the web site? Something akin to > the O'Reilly Radar[1], in which all (or some subset) of members could > post Perl-related thoughts. > > I like this idea too. I have yet to start any blog for myself, but I think I'd be interested in this. I often find myself musing over what style to use to best write this piece of code. Having a blog for discussing this seems handy. > The Kernel Panic web site[2] is powered by Plone (a Python application - > boo, hiss), which gives it user sign-up and user-based page creation. > I'm not about to recommend Plone, but I like the concept. The simplest > solution, I think, would be to use Kwiki, but I'm open to suggestions. > This idea of mine is still just a random idea. Just another fun thing I > thought we could do. > > I have to note that all of this is just me brainstorming. I'm not > making any changes to the web site now or probably for a little while. > Like I said, I want this to be a group effort (or at least have group > interest, I'm volunteering to do all the effort). Emile had a good idea > at the meeting last night: spend at least a few minutes during every > meeting discussing the direction of the web site. > > That's more than enough for now. > > -chris > > [0] http://lisbon.pm.org/ > [1] http://radar.oreilly.com/ > [2] http://www.kernel-panic.org/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > San-Diego-pm mailing list > San-Diego-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/san-diego-pm Dan [a] http://www.tierra.net/ From tkil at scrye.com Tue Jan 9 17:09:47 2007 From: tkil at scrye.com (Tkil) Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 18:09:47 -0700 Subject: [San-Diego-pm] Meeting Recap, 2007-01-08 In-Reply-To: <20070109223626.GK29962@chrisgrau.com> (Chris Grau's message of "Tue, 9 Jan 2007 14:36:26 -0800") References: <20070109223626.GK29962@chrisgrau.com> Message-ID: Chris -- Thanks for the write-up! Sorry that I'm a few hundred miles away and can no longer harangue... I mean, visit with you fine folks, but it sounds like a good time was had. >>>>> "Chris" == Chris Grau writes: Chris> + It's pronounced "ess que ell," not "sequel" Actually, I prefer "squeal", with one exceptoin: "PL/SQL" is properly rendered "peeled squirrel". Cheers, t. From joel at fentin.com Tue Jan 9 17:28:04 2007 From: joel at fentin.com (Joel Fentin) Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 17:28:04 -0800 Subject: [San-Diego-pm] SanDiego.PM.org In-Reply-To: <20070109233447.GM29962@chrisgrau.com> References: <20070109233447.GM29962@chrisgrau.com> Message-ID: <45A44124.1070500@fentin.com> Chris Grau wrote: > An events calendar. I'm leaning towards setting up a Google calendar, > since it gives us so much for free. My understanding of the system is > that I can simply create a public calendar, name it whatever I want, > give certain people write access, and we're done. Alternatively, we > could hack up a Perl script or use Sunbird to create a calendar file > that we could then host on our own web site. Thoughts? I suggest making the calender open to all who want to upload anything, but monitor it such that nothing appears until it has been vested by Big Chris. What I currently have is a sytem whereby if anybody wants to became a new member, or upload a job, an email is automatically sent to me. I then go to the admin part of the site and yea or nay the incoming traffic. That has been working until recently. The number of Russians with porn or gambling sites wanting to become members has been growing. -- Joel Fentin tel: 760-749-8863 FAX: 760-749-8864 Email: http://fentin.com/me/ContactMe.html Biz Website: http://fentin.com Personal Website: http://fentin.com/me From emileaben at gmail.com Wed Jan 10 08:28:52 2007 From: emileaben at gmail.com (Emile Aben) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 08:28:52 -0800 Subject: [San-Diego-pm] cartoon Message-ID: <28e00a750701100828l6cb57cabw21176934a78e2b63@mail.gmail.com> Hi, a nice cartoon to start the day: http://xkcd.com/c208.html as you might have guessed perl is involved. Emile From chris at chrisgrau.com Wed Jan 10 12:19:53 2007 From: chris at chrisgrau.com (Chris Grau) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 12:19:53 -0800 Subject: [San-Diego-pm] San Diego Perl Mongers Calendar Message-ID: <20070110201953.GS29962@chrisgrau.com> Following in the footsteps of The Perl Review[0], I've set up a Google calendar for our group. Here are the public URLs: XML: http://www.google.com/calendar/feeds/u2lhjv6gevv28lip6ui7h0mu7g%40group.calendar.google.com/public/basic ICAL: http://www.google.com/calendar/ical/u2lhjv6gevv28lip6ui7h0mu7g%40group.calendar.google.com/public/basic.ics HTML: http://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=u2lhjv6gevv28lip6ui7h0mu7g%40group.calendar.google.com So far there's only one event, our monthly meeting. Let me know what you think. I like Joel's idea of allowing anyone to create events that are then approved by someone with authority. I think that can be done through calendar invitations, but I haven't completely explored the set of features. -chris [0] http://www.theperlreview.com/community_calendar -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/san-diego-pm/attachments/20070110/ad287d68/attachment.bin