From rkleeman at energoncube.net Mon Jun 4 19:12:29 2001 From: rkleeman at energoncube.net (Bob Kleemann) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:21 2004 Subject: June Meeting Message-ID: ~sdpm~ Perl Mongers, We have a meeting on the third Wed of the month, June 20th. To be discussed at this meeting is more regarding the Perl Conference, T-shirts, and anything else we find interesting. Also, whoever is going to be co-ordinating T-shrits, we should have a price announced before the meeting so people can bring their checks to the meeting. Also, has anyone had a chance to take the ideas that were floated around the list and artistically improve their presentation? ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From joel at cts.com Wed Jun 6 13:19:14 2001 From: joel at cts.com (Joel Fentin) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:21 2004 Subject: Perl Conference In-Reply-To: <3B036350.1040802@velocigen.com> Message-ID: <3.0.4.32.20010606111914.007a55c0@crash.cts.com> ~sdpm~ At 10:36 PM 5/16/01 -0700, Chris Radcliff wrote: >~sdpm~ >For all those wondering how to get into parts of the Perl Conference for >free, go to: > >http://conferences.oreillynet.com/cs/os2001/create/ord_os01 > >Ignore all the paid choices and choose "Exhibit Hall Only" - despite the >name, the same pass will get you into all the keynotes as well as >Larry's speech on Tuesday night. > >Let me know if you have questions. I looked for this in The Perl Journal #20. -- Joel Fentin tel: 760-749-8863 FAX: 760-749-8864 email: joel@fentin.com web: fentin.com ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From canetguy at home.com Thu Jun 7 20:33:24 2001 From: canetguy at home.com (Garrett Casey) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:21 2004 Subject: Hey Mongers! ps. Joel, file attached. Message-ID: <200106071833240390.0040237D@mail> Hey everyone... I am sorry I haven't been able to attend many meetings lately. I have been dealing with some personal stuff. I need someone to volunteer to meet me sometime before June 20th. I have some TPJ's that need to be presented to the group, along with a bunch of catalogs and pamphlets from O'reilly. I will not be able to attend the June meeting. I will be in NJ planning for my new job as a Market Maker for Knight Trading. I will be moving to NJ in August or September :( -Garrett ps. Joel, I found the perl code file you requested on my old lap top. I have attached it to the email. Enjoy! -------------- next part -------------- ## Scalars my $thingy = 100; my $ref_thingy = \$thingy; print $ref_thingy; #Prints similar to SCALAR(0x89230) print ${ $ref_thingy }; #Prints 100; ${ $ref_thingy }++; print $thingy; #Prints 101 my $ref_const = \100; #Take reference of constant. ${ $ref_const }++; #You get a runtime error. The value pointed to by $ref_const is read-only. ## Arrays my @holder = qw(zero one two); my $ref_holder = \@holder; foreach ( @{ $ref_holder} ) { #Prints each element of @holder. print $_, "\n"; } print $ref_holder->[1], "\n"; #Prints 'one'; for my $i (0..$#{$ref_holder}) { print $ref_holder->[$i], "\n"; #Prints each element of @holder. } my $ref_another = [ qw(three four five) ]; ##Anonymous Creation of Array Ref. print join(', ', @{ $ref_another }), "\n"; ##Prints three, four, five map push(@{ $ref_another }, $_), ('A'..'Z'); print scalar @{ $ref_another }, "\n"; ##Prints 29 sub big_array { my @big_array = (0..10000); #Or more. ## Tons of awesome code ## return \@big_array; } my $ref_big = big_array(); ## You are not copying a huge array (or hash). print $ref_big->[9999], "\n"; ## Prints 9999 ## Hashes my %names = ( dog => 'Bowser', sister => 'Jane', brother => 'Bob'); print $names{dog}, "\n"; ## Prints Bowser my $ref_names = \%names; print $ref_names->{sister}, "\n"; ## Prints Jane foreach my $name (keys ( %{ $ref_names } ) ) { print "$name\n"; } my $ref_more = $ref_names; $ref_more->{sister} = 'Bonnie'; print $ref_names->{sister}, "\n"; ## Prints Bonnie ## Anonymous Hash my $h_ref_age = { grandma => 81, dad => 50, sister => 17, brother => 21 }; print "Grandma is $h_ref_age->{grandma} years old!\n"; ## Code sub rand_char { return ('A'..'Z')[ int rand 26 ] }; my $ref_code = \&rand_char; print $ref_code->(), "\n"; ## Not the code below DOES NOT create a reference of the ## of the code, but instead, returns a reference to the ## last value returned by the function my $ref_not_code = \rand_char(); print ${ $ref_not_code }, "\n"; ## Prints the last value return by the code. my $ref_other_code = sub { print $_[0] x 5; }; ## Anonymous code ref; $ref_other_code->('x'), "\n"; ## Prints xxxxx ## References of References ## Yes, you can take references of other references. my $number = 100; my $r_numb = \$number; my $rr_num = \$r_numb; print ${ ${ $rr_num } }, "\n"; ## Prints 100 ## Notice that all the references are SCALARS and that SCALARS can be ## stored in arrays and hashes. So with references, you can create ## cool structures. ## More Arrays my $aa = [ [0..10], [11..20], [21..30] ]; #Anonymous array reference of an array of anonymous arrays print $aa->[1][8], "\n"; #Prints 19; ## Array of hash references. my $ab = [ { apple => 'green', grape => 'purple' }, { cow => 'mooo', dog => 'arf' } ]; print $ab->[0]{apple}, "\n"; #Prints green. my ($lname, $fname, $email) = qw(Sparky McDoodle sparky@spark.com); my @guy_array = \($lname, $fname, $email); ## Array of references. print ${ $guy_array[0] }, "\n"; ## Prints Sparky ## More hashes ## Hash of anonymous array. Wierd example. my %thing = ( names => [ qw(Bob Harry Joe) ], ages => [ 9, 14, 16 ] ); for my $i (0..$#{$thing{names}}) { print "$thing{names}->[$i] is $thing{ages}->[$i] years old.\n"; } ## Hash of hash. my %class = ( Bob => { age => 9, mother => 'Betty', father => 'Frank' }, Harry => { age => 14, mother => 'Joan', father => 'Dean' }, Joe => { age => 16, mother => 'Sue', father => 'Fred' }, ); foreach (keys (%class) ) { print "$_ is $class{$_}{age} years old.\n"; } __END__ #Big structure. #I created a little module to help with CGI fields. #It is still a little rough, but you can see the kind #of structure I pass to it. my $field = new CGIField( { text => 'Type of Property', required => 1, type => 'popup_menu', values => [qw/select apartment condo vacation/], name => '_property_type', labels => { select => '- Select the Type of Property -', apartment => 'Apartment', condo => 'Condo' vacation => 'Vacation Rental', }, errorsub => sub { my $q = shift; return "You did not select what type of property." if ($q->param('_property_type') eq 'select'); return undef; }, } ); #Basically, my CGIField object is a container for a CGI object definition #that keeps its own error subroutine. The module also has some cool methods #that just makes things easier. #This is simply an example of a complex structure. Notice that CGIField is #passed an Anonymous hash that contain some text, arrays, other hashes #and even some code. #Further Reading: # O'Reilly's Programming Perl pages 243-275 # O'Reilly's Perl Cookbook 364-394 From canetguy at home.com Thu Jun 7 21:38:07 2001 From: canetguy at home.com (Garrett Casey) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:21 2004 Subject: Hey Mongers! ps. Joel, file attached. In-Reply-To: <01Jun7.191150pdt.118081@gateway.ontogen.com> References: <01Jun7.191150pdt.118081@gateway.ontogen.com> Message-ID: <200106071938070180.007B6692@mail> ~sdpm~ Cool! Let me know when you have time to get together... I will be available tomorrow late afternoon or evening. If tomorrow is not good, we can arrange some other time:) Thanx Todd! -Garrett *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 6/7/01 at 6:57 PM Todd Rockhold wrote: >I can pick up the stuff to take to the next meeting. >I'm planning to go to the meeting, so the stuff should get there. > >Let me know the particulars. > > > > Todd Rockhold > Senior Software Developer > Ontogen Corporation > 6451 El Camino Real > Carlsbad, California 92009 > 760.930.0100 x3023 > fax 760.930.8920 > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Garrett Casey [SMTP:canetguy@home.com] > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 6:33 PM > To: san-diego-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org > Subject: Hey Mongers! ps. Joel, file attached. > > Hey everyone... > > I am sorry I haven't been able to attend many meetings lately. I >have been dealing with some personal stuff. > > I need someone to volunteer to meet me sometime before June 20th. I >have some TPJ's that need to be presented to the group, along with a bunch >of catalogs and pamphlets from O'reilly. > > I will not be able to attend the June meeting. I will be in NJ >planning for my new job as a Market Maker for Knight Trading. I will be >moving to NJ in August or September :( > > -Garrett > > ps. Joel, I found the perl code file you requested on my old lap >top. I have attached it to the email. Enjoy! > > > > << File: perlnotes.txt >> ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From cabney at cyberpass.net Sun Jun 10 01:08:01 2001 From: cabney at cyberpass.net (cabney) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:21 2004 Subject: hohoa (anything cheaper?) Message-ID: ~sdpm~ k, I don't know if I should be embarrassed about this or not... but can someone point out a cheaper way of creating an array of token chains? (one that doesn't compromise code maintenance. :) The objective is to ensure the length of the chains can vary over a range... which this datastructure seems to do. I'm looking for a perspective not biased like mine might be, or someone's experience... or just an opportunity to learn something. :) (uh, I'm also aware i'll have to make some minor changes to allow arrays anywhere along the chain where needed -- this is just some test code.) code: ============================== hohoa.pl ============================== #! /usr/bin/perl -w use strict; use Data::Dumper; my @hash_elements = ("my","very","earnest","mother","just","served","us","nine","pickles"); my $end = pop @hash_elements; my $href; for my $idx ( reverse 0 .. $#hash_elements ) { my $elem = $hash_elements[$idx]; if ( ref($end) ) { $href = { $elem => $end }; } else { $href = { $elem => [$end] }; #push @{$href->{$elem}}, "foo"; } $end = $href; } print Dumper($href); ============================== hohoa.pl ============================== CA -- There was a time A wind that blew so young For this could be the biggest sky And I could have the faintest idea ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From rkleeman at energoncube.net Mon Jun 11 13:48:03 2001 From: rkleeman at energoncube.net (Bob Kleemann) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:21 2004 Subject: hohoa (anything cheaper?) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: ~sdpm~ On Sat, 9 Jun 2001, cabney wrote: > ~sdpm~ > k, I don't know if I should be embarrassed about this or not... but can > someone point out a cheaper way of creating an array of token chains? > (one that doesn't compromise code maintenance. :) > > The objective is to ensure the length of the chains can vary over a > range... which this datastructure seems to do. I'm looking for a > perspective not biased like mine might be, or someone's experience... > or just an opportunity to learn something. :) > > (uh, I'm also aware i'll have to make some minor changes to allow > arrays anywhere along the chain where needed -- this is just some > test code.) > > code: > ============================== hohoa.pl ============================== > #! /usr/bin/perl -w > > use strict; > use Data::Dumper; > > my @hash_elements = ("my","very","earnest","mother","just","served","us","nine","pickles"); my @hash_elements = qw(my very earnest mother just served us nine pickles); > > my $end = pop @hash_elements; my $end = [ pop @hash_elements ]; > my $href; > > for my $idx ( reverse 0 .. $#hash_elements ) > { > my $elem = $hash_elements[$idx]; > > if ( ref($end) ) { > $href = { $elem => $end }; > } else { > $href = { $elem => [$end] }; > #push @{$href->{$elem}}, "foo"; > } > $end = $href; > } for my $elem ( reverse @hash_elements ) { $href = { $elem => $end }; $end = $href; } > > print Dumper($href); > > ============================== hohoa.pl ============================== > > CA > -- > There was a time > A wind that blew so young > For this could be the biggest sky > And I could have the faintest idea > > ~sdpm~ > > The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org > > List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org > > If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, > you can send mail to with the following > command in the body of your email message: > > unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list > > If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, > (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the > list itself) send email to . > This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need > to contact a human. > > ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From anthony at zoovy.com Tue Jun 12 16:21:41 2001 From: anthony at zoovy.com (Anthony Kilna) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:21 2004 Subject: PerlMongers Hosting Message-ID: ~sdpm~ I just noticed the free hosting for perlmongers being advertised... since the server isn't quite there yet, perhaps we could use that? Just a thought. :) Anthony Kilna - anthony@zoovy.com - 1-877-966-8948 x112 ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From joe at artlung.com Tue Jun 12 19:45:31 2001 From: joe at artlung.com (Joe Crawford) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:21 2004 Subject: PerlMongers Hosting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: ~sdpm~ On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Anthony Kilna wrote: > I just noticed the free hosting for perlmongers being advertised... > since the server isn't quite there yet, perhaps we could use that? > Just a thought. :) Mr. Kilna has a good point: http://www.pm.org/net_services.shtml - Joe -- ........... Joe Crawford : thinking and design about the web .... enigmatic narcissism and miscellany : http://artlung.com .... community instigator : http://WebSanDiego.org .... San Diego, California, USA .....................AAAFNRAA ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From anthony at zoovy.com Tue Jun 12 20:14:22 2001 From: anthony at zoovy.com (Anthony Kilna) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:21 2004 Subject: PerlMongers Hosting Message-ID: ~sdpm~ Oh yeah, I meant to include that URL. Were would we be without Joe? :) LOL Anthony Kilna - anthony@zoovy.com - 1-877-966-8948 x112 >>> Joe Crawford 06/12/01 05:45PM >>> ~sdpm~ On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Anthony Kilna wrote: > I just noticed the free hosting for perlmongers being advertised... > since the server isn't quite there yet, perhaps we could use that? > Just a thought. :) Mr. Kilna has a good point: http://www.pm.org/net_services.shtml - Joe -- ........... Joe Crawford : thinking and design about the web .... enigmatic narcissism and miscellany : http://artlung.com .... community instigator : http://WebSanDiego.org .... San Diego, California, USA .....................AAAFNRAA ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From joel at cts.com Wed Jun 13 01:00:48 2001 From: joel at cts.com (Joel Fentin) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:21 2004 Subject: PPM Message-ID: <200106130600.XAA10235@neko.cts.com> ~sdpm~ If I use PPM with the commands: search, verify, & install; I get the following error: not well-formed at line 1, column 17, byte 17 at C:/Perl/site/lib/SOAP/Parser.pm line 73 What does it want? It works ok with help, query & set. -- Joel Fentin tel: 760-749-8863 FAX: 760-749-8864 email: joel@fentin.com web: Fentin.com ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From chris at velocigen.com Thu Jun 14 11:38:24 2001 From: chris at velocigen.com (Chris Radcliff) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:21 2004 Subject: Perl companies? Message-ID: <3B28E880.19A48B3B@velocigen.com> ~sdpm~ Hi Mongers, A general question for the entire group: Do you know of companies that are using Perl? Not just for Web stuff, but in any capacity. Perl books and conferences are immensely popular, but the language gets relatively little press. We all know that MP3.com and VelociGen use Perl, but who else does? If you were making a "Perl 500" list, who would you include? VelociGen is considering more corporate Perl advocacy, e.g. promoting the Perl segment in companies that already benefit from it, and using their success stories to promote Perl in other companies. It's an area where Perl hasn't had as much hype or push as Java, but we'd like to remedy that situation. I'm not looking for contact information or a spam list. Just names of as many companies as possible, local or otherwise. Thanks in advance, ~chris ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From rkleeman at energoncube.net Thu Jun 14 13:17:42 2001 From: rkleeman at energoncube.net (Bob Kleemann) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:21 2004 Subject: Perl companies? In-Reply-To: <3B28E880.19A48B3B@velocigen.com> Message-ID: ~sdpm~ I've used Perl here at Musicmatch and at Qualcomm. I know that Intel usese Perl for testing chips and boards. Mozilla/Netscape uses Perl in Bugzilla, their bug-tracking database. Slashdot (which might be a good forum to post this question to) has been pushing Perl and Apache to it's limits from the begining. Activestate has made a (successful?) business out of supporting/developing Perl. I know there are several others, and perhaps a post to Slashdot or Use Perl would be good for some more information. If there is one thing for certain, I have heard numerous people muttering something about no company promoting Perl like Sun does for Java or like MS does for .Net. You will likely find a lot of community support for this type of action. On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, Chris Radcliff wrote: > ~sdpm~ > > Hi Mongers, > > A general question for the entire group: Do you know of companies that > are using Perl? Not just for Web stuff, but in any capacity. > > Perl books and conferences are immensely popular, but the language gets > relatively little press. We all know that MP3.com and VelociGen use > Perl, but who else does? If you were making a "Perl 500" list, who would > you include? > > VelociGen is considering more corporate Perl advocacy, e.g. promoting > the Perl segment in companies that already benefit from it, and using > their success stories to promote Perl in other companies. It's an area > where Perl hasn't had as much hype or push as Java, but we'd like to > remedy that situation. > > I'm not looking for contact information or a spam list. Just names of as > many companies as possible, local or otherwise. > > Thanks in advance, > ~chris > ~sdpm~ > > The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org > > List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org > > If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, > you can send mail to with the following > command in the body of your email message: > > unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list > > If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, > (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the > list itself) send email to . > This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need > to contact a human. > > ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From eugene at securityarchitects.com Thu Jun 14 15:43:48 2001 From: eugene at securityarchitects.com (Eugene Tsyrklevich) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:21 2004 Subject: Perl companies? In-Reply-To: ; from rkleeman@energoncube.net on Thu, Jun 14, 2001 at 11:17:42AM -0700 References: <3B28E880.19A48B3B@velocigen.com> Message-ID: <20010614134348.A15213@securityarchitects.com> ~sdpm~ i knew a guy who used perl for testing NT service packs at Microsoft On Thu, Jun 14, 2001 at 11:17:42AM -0700, Bob Kleemann wrote: > ~sdpm~ > I've used Perl here at Musicmatch and at Qualcomm. I know that Intel > usese Perl for testing chips and boards. Mozilla/Netscape uses Perl in > Bugzilla, their bug-tracking database. Slashdot (which might be a good > forum to post this question to) has been pushing Perl and Apache to it's > limits from the begining. Activestate has made a (successful?) business > out of supporting/developing Perl. I know there are several others, and > perhaps a post to Slashdot or Use Perl would be good for some more > information. > > If there is one thing for certain, I have heard numerous people muttering > something about no company promoting Perl like Sun does for Java or like > MS does for .Net. You will likely find a lot of community support for > this type of action. > > On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, Chris Radcliff wrote: > > > ~sdpm~ > > > > Hi Mongers, > > > > A general question for the entire group: Do you know of companies that > > are using Perl? Not just for Web stuff, but in any capacity. > > > > Perl books and conferences are immensely popular, but the language gets > > relatively little press. We all know that MP3.com and VelociGen use > > Perl, but who else does? If you were making a "Perl 500" list, who would > > you include? > > > > VelociGen is considering more corporate Perl advocacy, e.g. promoting > > the Perl segment in companies that already benefit from it, and using > > their success stories to promote Perl in other companies. It's an area > > where Perl hasn't had as much hype or push as Java, but we'd like to > > remedy that situation. > > > > I'm not looking for contact information or a spam list. Just names of as > > many companies as possible, local or otherwise. > > > > Thanks in advance, > > ~chris ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From cabney at cyberpass.net Thu Jun 14 21:38:08 2001 From: cabney at cyberpass.net (cabney) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:21 2004 Subject: Perl companies? In-Reply-To: <20010614134348.A15213@securityarchitects.com> Message-ID: ~sdpm~ I used it extensively when I was at R.W. Johnson, and it is used almost by default in the biotech industry. It's used in software packages offered by Incyte and The Wisconsin Group. I've written applications for processing genomic information and for cluster management, using Perl. CA -- There was a time A wind that blew so young For this could be the biggest sky And I could have the faintest idea ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From taa0 at cris.com Thu Jun 14 22:00:44 2001 From: taa0 at cris.com (Tom Adams) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:21 2004 Subject: Perl companies? References: <3B28E880.19A48B3B@velocigen.com> Message-ID: <3B297A5C.E6FFEA79@cris.com> ~sdpm~ NIH uses Perl for genome research: http://genome.nhgri.nih.gov/ Also see Lincoln Stein's page: http://stein.cshl.org/ Chris Radcliff wrote: > ~sdpm~ > > Hi Mongers, > > A general question for the entire group: Do you know of companies that > are using Perl? Not just for Web stuff, but in any capacity. > > Perl books and conferences are immensely popular, but the language gets > relatively little press. We all know that MP3.com and VelociGen use > Perl, but who else does? If you were making a "Perl 500" list, who would > you include? > > VelociGen is considering more corporate Perl advocacy, e.g. promoting > the Perl segment in companies that already benefit from it, and using > their success stories to promote Perl in other companies. It's an area > where Perl hasn't had as much hype or push as Java, but we'd like to > remedy that situation. > > I'm not looking for contact information or a spam list. Just names of as > many companies as possible, local or otherwise. > > Thanks in advance, > ~chris > ~sdpm~ > > The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org > > List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org > > If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, > you can send mail to with the following > command in the body of your email message: > > unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list > > If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, > (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the > list itself) send email to . > This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need > to contact a human. ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From anthony at zoovy.com Fri Jun 15 15:26:57 2001 From: anthony at zoovy.com (Anthony Kilna) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:21 2004 Subject: Keynote speech on Perl 6 Message-ID: ~sdpm~ Found this on use Perl; (use.perl.org)... Damian Conway made a keynote address at YAPC on Perl 6. The audio is 30.6 MB 56kbps 22khz joint stereo... You can download it from: http://www.crystalflame.net/keynote.mp3 (OC-3) http://prometheus.frii.com/~gnat/tmp/keynote.mp3 http://dhcp3.pmb.ox.ac.uk/~simon/keynote.mp3 http://reef.crystalflame.net/keynote.mp3 You can download an older version of the slides from: http://yetanother.org/damian/talks/Perl6.pdf Anthony Kilna - anthony@zoovy.com - 1-877-966-8948 x112 ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From merlyn at stonehenge.com Sat Jun 16 13:20:18 2001 From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:21 2004 Subject: Perl companies? In-Reply-To: <3B28E880.19A48B3B@velocigen.com> References: <3B28E880.19A48B3B@velocigen.com> Message-ID: ~sdpm~ >>>>> "Chris" == Chris Radcliff writes: Chris> ~sdpm~ Chris> Hi Mongers, Chris> A general question for the entire group: Do you know of companies that Chris> are using Perl? Not just for Web stuff, but in any capacity. Our client list is a good start. :) Look for "reducing business risk using perl" on teh net, probably at perl.org somewhere... one of those pages in the PDF is our client list as of two years ago. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From rkleeman at energoncube.net Tue Jun 19 12:57:44 2001 From: rkleeman at energoncube.net (Bob Kleemann) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:21 2004 Subject: Meeting Wed! Message-ID: ~sdpm~ Fellow Perl Mongers, We have a meeting tommorow evening. 7 PM at Velocigen's conference room (8380 Miramar Mall, San Diego CA, 92121, upstairs). Bring your questions and code for help or your ideas for discussion. Also, who is working on the T-shirts? No one has mentioned anything to me about them, and Wed would be the perfect opportunity to have people place orders. ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From todd.rockhold at ontogen.com Tue Jun 19 13:09:49 2001 From: todd.rockhold at ontogen.com (Todd Rockhold) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:21 2004 Subject: Meeting Wed! Message-ID: <01Jun19.112446pdt.118081@gateway.ontogen.com> ~sdpm~ I was able to get the back issues of The Perl Journal and some O'Reilly brochures from Garrett Casey, so will be bringing those to distribute to attendees who want them. -----Original Message----- From: Bob Kleemann [SMTP:rkleeman@energoncube.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 10:58 AM To: San Diego Perl Mongers Subject: Meeting Wed! ~sdpm~ Fellow Perl Mongers, We have a meeting tommorow evening. 7 PM at Velocigen's conference room (8380 Miramar Mall, San Diego CA, 92121, upstairs). Bring your questions and code for help or your ideas for discussion. Also, who is working on the T-shirts? No one has mentioned anything to me about them, and Wed would be the perfect opportunity to have people place orders. ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From anthony at zoovy.com Tue Jun 19 14:54:56 2001 From: anthony at zoovy.com (Anthony Kilna) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:21 2004 Subject: Meeting Wed! Message-ID: ~sdpm~ I don't think my email last month came through (I resubscribed and that problem seems to have gone away) ... I'll have one of the NerdGear.com guys tag along with me to the meeting so we can figure out the arrangements, and I'll post a couple of graphics to the mailing list to get opinions before the meeting tomorrow. Anthony Kilna - anthony@zoovy.com - 1-877-966-8948 x112 >>> Bob Kleemann 06/19/01 10:57AM >>> ~sdpm~ Fellow Perl Mongers, We have a meeting tommorow evening. 7 PM at Velocigen's conference room (8380 Miramar Mall, San Diego CA, 92121, upstairs). Bring your questions and code for help or your ideas for discussion. Also, who is working on the T-shirts? No one has mentioned anything to me about them, and Wed would be the perfect opportunity to have people place orders. ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From anthony at zoovy.com Tue Jun 19 19:15:15 2001 From: anthony at zoovy.com (Anthony Kilna) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:22 2004 Subject: Meeting Wed! Message-ID: OK, here's the design I unsuccessfully sent a day or two after the last meeting... Simple concept, but I like it. :) Anthony Kilna - anthony@zoovy.com - 1-877-966-8948 x112 >>> Bob Kleemann 06/19/01 01:05PM >>> Cool! I look forward to seeing them. BTW, you can see the meeting announcement here http://faqchest.dynhost.com/prgm/SDPM/sdpm01060417_27424.html Or look at the archives here: http://faqchest.dynhost.com/prgm/SDPM/ On Tue, 19 Jun 2001, Anthony Kilna wrote: > I don't think my email last month came through (I resubscribed and that problem seems to have gone away) ... I'll have one of the NerdGear.com guys tag along with me to the meeting so we can figure out the arrangements, and I'll post a couple of graphics to the mailing list to get opinions before the meeting tomorrow. > > Anthony Kilna - anthony@zoovy.com - 1-877-966-8948 x112 > > >>> Bob Kleemann 06/19/01 10:57AM >>> > ~sdpm~ > Fellow Perl Mongers, > We have a meeting tommorow evening. 7 PM at Velocigen's > conference room (8380 Miramar Mall, San Diego CA, 92121, upstairs). Bring > your questions and code for help or your ideas for discussion. > > Also, who is working on the T-shirts? No one has mentioned anything to me > about them, and Wed would be the perfect opportunity to have people place > orders. > > > ~sdpm~ > > The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org > > List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org > > If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, > you can send mail to with the following > command in the body of your email message: > > unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list > > If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, > (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the > list itself) send email to . > This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need > to contact a human. > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: jalocalph.gif Type: image/gif Size: 6382 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/archives/san-diego-pm/attachments/20010619/e050f0d6/jalocalph.gif From rkleeman at energoncube.net Tue Jun 19 19:53:01 2001 From: rkleeman at energoncube.net (Bob Kleemann) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:22 2004 Subject: Meeting Wed! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: ~sdpm~ That looks good! On Tue, 19 Jun 2001, Anthony Kilna wrote: > > OK, here's the design I unsuccessfully sent a day or two after the last meeting... Simple concept, but I like it. :) > > Anthony Kilna - anthony@zoovy.com - 1-877-966-8948 x112 > > >>> Bob Kleemann 06/19/01 01:05PM >>> > Cool! I look forward to seeing them. > > BTW, you can see the meeting announcement here > http://faqchest.dynhost.com/prgm/SDPM/sdpm01060417_27424.html > > Or look at the archives here: > http://faqchest.dynhost.com/prgm/SDPM/ > > On Tue, 19 Jun 2001, Anthony Kilna wrote: > > > I don't think my email last month came through (I resubscribed and that problem seems to have gone away) ... I'll have one of the NerdGear.com guys tag along with me to the meeting so we can figure out the arrangements, and I'll post a couple of graphics to the mailing list to get opinions before the meeting tomorrow. > > > > Anthony Kilna - anthony@zoovy.com - 1-877-966-8948 x112 > > > > >>> Bob Kleemann 06/19/01 10:57AM >>> > > ~sdpm~ > > Fellow Perl Mongers, > > We have a meeting tommorow evening. 7 PM at Velocigen's > > conference room (8380 Miramar Mall, San Diego CA, 92121, upstairs). Bring > > your questions and code for help or your ideas for discussion. > > > > Also, who is working on the T-shirts? No one has mentioned anything to me > > about them, and Wed would be the perfect opportunity to have people place > > orders. > > > > > > ~sdpm~ > > > > The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org > > > > List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org > > > > If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, > > you can send mail to with the following > > command in the body of your email message: > > > > unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list > > > > If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, > > (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the > > list itself) send email to . > > This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need > > to contact a human. > > > > > > > > > ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From bruce at brtnet.org Tue Jun 19 20:37:44 2001 From: bruce at brtnet.org (Bruce Timberlake) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:22 2004 Subject: Meeting Wed! References: Message-ID: <008401c0f929$9ac21580$02f39140@develop> ~sdpm~ I like the design! Something a little more Perl-ish might be nice too... I like that for the front/pocket/sleeve... maybe some more involved Perl code on the back of the shirt...? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony Kilna" To: " Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 5:15 PM Subject: Re: Meeting Wed! OK, here's the design I unsuccessfully sent a day or two after the last meeting... Simple concept, but I like it. :) Anthony Kilna - anthony@zoovy.com - 1-877-966-8948 x112 >>> Bob Kleemann 06/19/01 01:05PM >>> Cool! I look forward to seeing them. BTW, you can see the meeting announcement here http://faqchest.dynhost.com/prgm/SDPM/sdpm01060417_27424.html Or look at the archives here: http://faqchest.dynhost.com/prgm/SDPM/ On Tue, 19 Jun 2001, Anthony Kilna wrote: > I don't think my email last month came through (I resubscribed and that problem seems to have gone away) ... I'll have one of the NerdGear.com guys tag along with me to the meeting so we can figure out the arrangements, and I'll post a couple of graphics to the mailing list to get opinions before the meeting tomorrow. > > Anthony Kilna - anthony@zoovy.com - 1-877-966-8948 x112 > > >>> Bob Kleemann 06/19/01 10:57AM >>> > ~sdpm~ > Fellow Perl Mongers, > We have a meeting tommorow evening. 7 PM at Velocigen's > conference room (8380 Miramar Mall, San Diego CA, 92121, upstairs). Bring > your questions and code for help or your ideas for discussion. > > Also, who is working on the T-shirts? No one has mentioned anything to me > about them, and Wed would be the perfect opportunity to have people place > orders. > > > ~sdpm~ > > The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org > > List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org > > If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, > you can send mail to with the following > command in the body of your email message: > > unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list > > If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, > (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the > list itself) send email to . > This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need > to contact a human. > > > ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From anthony at zoovy.com Wed Jun 20 19:46:20 2001 From: anthony at zoovy.com (Anthony Kilna) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:22 2004 Subject: T-shirts / meeting Message-ID: ~sdpm~ I am not feeling well and won't be able to attend the meeting, so I don't think the shirt thing will work out through my contact here. I have heard a lot of good things about Cafe Press though, they can get the job done in short order without any hassle, just upload an image and you have a cadre of products (including shirts) that you can get. http://www.cafepress.com ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From todd.rockhold at ontogen.com Thu Jun 21 12:46:38 2001 From: todd.rockhold at ontogen.com (Todd Rockhold) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:22 2004 Subject: last night's meeting Message-ID: <01Jun21.110139pdt.118081@gateway.ontogen.com> ~sdpm~ I got there late and somebody was discussing problems with database connections, I think. Maybe somebody can jump in and summarize that. Everybody liked the design Anthony Kilna provided, but many thought that we should add some code to the t-shirts. So we need to decide on the bit of code we want so the design can be sent to . We had a couple of new people. My apologies to them for not remembering their names. I'll call one of them the "Michigan Mathematics Guy" and the other the "Cambridge Akamai Guy", MMG and CAG for short. MMG has just moved here and is starting up a small company to work on enhancing ad hoc query functions in OLAP cubes. CAG, as one might suspect, works for Akamai and is here for a while scoping out the San Diego area. The upshot seems to be that he likes the weather in San Diego better and the seminars in Cambridge better, so I guess it's still a horse race. We talked a little about error handling in Perl 5.6.1 CGI scripts and then the "use" statement and how to tell a script to find the modules it needs. Someone has asked Chris Radcliff to write a book about web services. He delightedly said "Of course! When do you want the outline?" - not! CAG mentioned a couple of open source things which a few people scribbled down on their notepads: Open Journal (http://www.grohol.com/downloads/oj/) and rt2 (http://www.fsck.com/projects/rt/). CAG had attended YAPC and related a couple of Damain Conway tales. Then we talked a little about bleach (eliminates non-whitespace characters from your script) and the Klingon module. Someone mentioned the new Perl inline module. Very powerful. For example, one can "study" any Java jar file and then use the classes and methods in it. How about Swing for doing GUI apps? Talked a little about Python. Best one-liner of the evening: "Python does not have CPAN and Python does not have Damian Conway". Somehow vi versus emacs came up, which sent everyone scurrying out the door. ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From chris at velocigen.com Thu Jun 21 13:23:01 2001 From: chris at velocigen.com (Chris Radcliff) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:22 2004 Subject: last night's meeting References: <01Jun21.110139pdt.118081@gateway.ontogen.com> Message-ID: <3B323B85.114C8AF9@velocigen.com> ~sdpm~ Todd Rockhold wrote: > I got there late and somebody was discussing problems with database > connections, I think. Maybe somebody can jump in and summarize that. > I was whining about my problems with Win32::OLE and an errant method which absolutely requires three (useless) keypresses. Still haven't solved that one, even after trying Win32::Console, Expect, and IO::String. Hopefully the Perl Monks (http://www.perlmonks.org/) will have a solution. > So we need to decide on the bit of > code we want so the design can be sent to Caf? something-or-other>. > Cafe Press. http://www.cafepress.com/) They take any image file and put it on t-shirts, hats, mugs, mouse pads, and speedboats. For an example, check out http://www.cafepress.com/globalspin > CAG mentioned a couple of open source things which a few people scribbled > down on their notepads: Open Journal (http://www.grohol.com/downloads/oj/) > and rt2 (http://www.fsck.com/projects/rt/). > Actually, I think he mentioned LiveJournal (http://www.livejournal.com/) as the one he's involved with. Rather nifty interface, actually. Cheers, ~chris ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From todd.rockhold at ontogen.com Thu Jun 21 13:28:41 2001 From: todd.rockhold at ontogen.com (Todd Rockhold) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:22 2004 Subject: Last night's meeting -- part two Message-ID: <01Jun21.114342pdt.118081@gateway.ontogen.com> ~sdpm~ OOPS! Forgot a couple of things: PHP for getting data out of relational databases and graphing the results. Pretty good discussion. Lvalue subroutines can make some OO implementation techniques a little cleaner. Proceeds, if any, from t-shirts are to be assigned in the following priority: Yet Another Society, Perl Mongers, FSF. Todd Rockhold Senior Software Developer 6451 El Camino Real Carlsbad, California 92009 760.930.0100 x3023 fax 760.930.8920 This email communication is intended only for the use of the addressee. It may contain privileged or confidential information that is exempt from disclosure by law. 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From mike at slacking.org Thu Jun 21 15:25:57 2001 From: mike at slacking.org (Mike Slack) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:22 2004 Subject: last night's meeting In-Reply-To: <01Jun21.110139pdt.118081@gateway.ontogen.com>; from todd.rockhold@ontogen.com on Thu, Jun 21, 2001 at 10:46:38AM -0700 References: <01Jun21.110139pdt.118081@gateway.ontogen.com> Message-ID: <20010621132557.F7711@mail.slacking.org> ~sdpm~ I am MMG (now everyone can associate a face and/or description with an email address). If I'm not mistaken, I think the other guy's (CAG) name was Alan, but my memory is a little foggier on that one. -- Mike Slack mike@slacking.org -- "If we knew what it was we were doing, it wouldn't be called research, would it?" --Albert Einstein Todd Rockhold (todd.rockhold@ontogen.com) wrote: > ~sdpm~ > > (snip) > > We had a couple of new people. My apologies to them for not remembering > their names. I'll call one of them the "Michigan Mathematics Guy" and the > other the "Cambridge Akamai Guy", MMG and CAG for short. > > MMG has just moved here and is starting up a small company to work on > enhancing ad hoc query functions in OLAP cubes. > > CAG, as one might suspect, works for Akamai and is here for a while scoping > out the San Diego area. The upshot seems to be that he likes the weather in > San Diego better and the seminars in Cambridge better, so I guess it's still > a horse race. > > (snip) > > ~sdpm~ > ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From bruce at brtnet.org Fri Jun 22 15:42:58 2001 From: bruce at brtnet.org (Bruce Timberlake) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:22 2004 Subject: T-Shirt code References: Message-ID: <007501c0fb5b$eca97c60$02f39140@develop> ~sdpm~ I haven't seen any more ideas for the shirt since our meeting on Wednesday... in case people lost it, here's the thread between Bob and Randal about some possible snippets: > > (front) > > use SanDiego::PerlMongers; > > (back) > > printf "Just Another %s Perl Hacker,", > > "SanDiego.pm" =~ /(\w+)/; > (front) > #!/usr/bin/perl > > use SanDiego; > > print "Just ", > defined $SanDiego > ? "A Local" > : "Another", > " Perl Hacker!"; > (back) > package SanDiego; > > our $SanDiego = { > weather => 'Wonderful', > beaches => 'Beautiful', > PerlMongers => 'SanDiego.pm', > conferences => 'Open Source', > electricity => rand(1), > zoo => 'World Famous', > }; > > 1; Can we try to reach a consensus so I can do up the design and submit the image file to Cafe Press before going on vacation July 1?? Also, I've sent email to both Yet Another Society and Cafe Press to find out about the money donation concept. Cafe Press does not appear to have a mechanism in place other than sending checks to the person who "owns" the store selling the merchandise... I guess this could work; we'd have to decide who "owns" it and then re-mail the check(s) when/if they come in... -- Bruce ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From bruce at brtnet.org Fri Jun 22 15:54:45 2001 From: bruce at brtnet.org (Bruce Timberlake) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:22 2004 Subject: SDPM webserver Message-ID: <007d01c0fb5d$91c43860$02f39140@develop> ~sdpm~ I have successfully colocated my Cobalt RaQ server that the SDPM website is hosted on. The DNS has already been switched, so the site is "live" again (it was "down" from last night around 5pm until about 10am this morning). We are still looking for potential equipment and/or bandwidth donors to move to, so that we can offer shell accounts to chapter Perl Mongers again, possibly set up our own CPAN mirror, etc. If you or your company can help out with a server (any Pentium-II or better PC could do the job, as long as it has an ok amount of RAM and a decent size HD) and/or a place to put it with a fixed IP address, please send mail to me (bruce@brtnet.org) or to Bob Kleeman (rkleeman@energoncube.com). Also, does anyone in the group have a preference for the OS installed on the SDPM server when we get one?? Linux? A BSD variant? I have OpenBSD 2.8 and FreeBSD 4.3, as well as RedHat and Debian Linux, available to install on a server. -- Bruce ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From chris at velocigen.com Fri Jun 22 16:43:20 2001 From: chris at velocigen.com (Chris Radcliff) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:22 2004 Subject: T-Shirt code and SDPM server References: <007501c0fb5b$eca97c60$02f39140@develop> Message-ID: <3B33BBF8.A7B12203@velocigen.com> ~sdpm~ Bruce Timberlake wrote: > I guess this could work; > we'd have to decide who "owns" it and then re-mail the check(s) when/if > they come in... > Yeek! We don't want that at all. If checks are going to go to YAS, then they should go directly. As soon as checks get to us for any length of time, they become ours, i.e. auditable and scary. If CafePress can't send checks directly to YAS or PM, then we should probably just sell the shirts at cost. > Also, does anyone in the group have a preference for the OS installed on > the SDPM server when we get one?? > If we install Linux, VelociGen can donate a copy of VelociGen 4.0 to allow fast CGI-style programs and Perl embedding. Otherwise, I don't have a preference. Cheers, ~chris ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From todd.rockhold at ontogen.com Fri Jun 22 20:53:52 2001 From: todd.rockhold at ontogen.com (Todd Rockhold) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:22 2004 Subject: T-Shirt code and SDPM server Message-ID: <01Jun22.190846pdt.118081@gateway.ontogen.com> ~sdpm~ Chris Radcliff: Yeek! We don't want that at all. If checks are going to go to YAS, then they should go directly. As soon as checks get to us for any length of time, they become ours, i.e. auditable and scary. If CafePress can't send checks directly to YAS or PM, then we should probably just sell the shirts at cost. Second the motion. I'd like SDPM to not see a check, not even for a nanosecond. ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From canetguy at home.com Mon Jun 25 12:22:16 2001 From: canetguy at home.com (Garrett Casey) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:22 2004 Subject: SDPM webserver In-Reply-To: <007d01c0fb5d$91c43860$02f39140@develop> References: <007d01c0fb5d$91c43860$02f39140@develop> Message-ID: <200106251022160370.00129D68@mail> ~sdpm~ Hey Guys! I would like to express my thanks to Bruce Timberlake, Todd Rockhold, and Bob Kleemann. Bruce, thank you so much for taking care of the sandiego.pm.org server. You're awesome! Todd, thank you for not only picking up the TPJs (and stuff), but also providing the summary of the last meeting. Bob, thank you for leading the San Diego Perl Mongers. You are doing a great job... Ok. It looks like I will be moving to NJ to take a new job. I may be leaving as early as July, or as late as September. I hope I have the opportunity to join one last meeting before I leave. As for a web server, I have TWO computers that have FreeBSD on them. They are both are perfect for the job, so I am sure ONE will work out. Bruce, maybe you can give me a call soon (858-720-1789) You can come over and check out the machines and see which might be more appropriate for the job. As for code on the back of the tees, since I just spent the last 4 days in HOT, MUGGY NJ, I would have to cast my vote for something similar to... (front) #!/usr/bin/perl use SanDiego; print "Just ", defined $SanDiego ? "A Local" : "Another", " Perl Hacker!"; (back) package SanDiego; our $SanDiego = { weather => 'Wonderful', beaches => 'Beautiful', PerlMongers => 'SanDiego.pm', conferences => 'Open Source', electricity => rand(1), zoo => 'World Famous', }; 1; Take care everyone, -Garrett Casey http://www.GarrettCasey.com *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 6/22/01 at 1:54 PM Bruce Timberlake wrote: >~sdpm~ >I have successfully colocated my Cobalt RaQ server that the SDPM website >is hosted on. The DNS has already been switched, so the site is "live" >again (it was "down" from last night around 5pm until about 10am this >morning). > >We are still looking for potential equipment and/or bandwidth donors to >move to, so that we can offer shell accounts to chapter Perl Mongers >again, possibly set up our own CPAN mirror, etc. If you or your company >can help out with a server (any Pentium-II or better PC could do the >job, as long as it has an ok amount of RAM and a decent size HD) and/or >a place to put it with a fixed IP address, please send mail to me >(bruce@brtnet.org) or to Bob Kleeman (rkleeman@energoncube.com). > >Also, does anyone in the group have a preference for the OS installed on >the SDPM server when we get one?? Linux? A BSD variant? I have OpenBSD >2.8 and FreeBSD 4.3, as well as RedHat and Debian Linux, available to >install on a server. > >-- Bruce > > > >~sdpm~ > >The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org > >List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org > >If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, >you can send mail to with the following >command in the body of your email message: > > unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list > >If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, >(if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the >list itself) send email to . >This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need >to contact a human. ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From chris at velocigen.com Mon Jun 25 14:38:36 2001 From: chris at velocigen.com (Chris Radcliff) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:22 2004 Subject: T-shirts Message-ID: <3B37933C.D613028E@velocigen.com> ~sdpm~ Hello all, I'm about to mock up a quick t-shirt design, so I'm wondering if we have consensus about the text on the shirt. Since consensus is so important, I've enclosed my own version of the shirt code, which is completely incompatible with other versions. :) jalph.pl would go on the front, and SanDiego.pm would go on the back. (BTW, I've checked the code. It runs.) Over the next 24 hours, could everyone post their vote/choice/thought to the list, so Bobby can tabulate them and mix them and shake them and come up with the final text? Whatever gets chosen goes on the first mock-up. Thanks, ~chris --- japlh.pl ----- #!/usr/bin/perl use SanDiego; print "Just ", (in SanDiego) ? "A Local" : "Another", " Perl Hacker!"; --- SanDiego.pm --- package SanDiego; our %SanDiego = ( weather => 'Wonderful', beaches => ['sandy', 'sunny', 'scenic'], PerlMongers => 'SanDiego.pm', conference => 'Open Source', electricity => rand(1), Zoo => 'World Famous', ); sub in { if ($SanDiego{ weather} and $SanDiego{ conference} and $SanDiego{ PerlMongers}) { "I must be home!"; } } ("true, true"); ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From bruce at brtnet.org Mon Jun 25 15:17:37 2001 From: bruce at brtnet.org (Bruce Timberlake) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:22 2004 Subject: T-shirts References: <3B37933C.D613028E@velocigen.com> Message-ID: <3B379C61.7050109@brtnet.org> ~sdpm~ Chris Radcliff wrote: > ~sdpm~ > > Hello all, > > I'm about to mock up a quick t-shirt design, so I'm wondering if we > have consensus about the text on the shirt. Since consensus is so > important, I've enclosed my own version of the shirt code, which is > completely incompatible with other versions. :) jalph.pl would go > on the front, and SanDiego.pm would go on the back. (BTW, I've > checked the code. It runs.) > > Over the next 24 hours, could everyone post their > vote/choice/thought to the list, so Bobby can tabulate them and mix > them and shake them and come up with the final text? Whatever gets > chosen goes on the first mock-up. Looks great to me!! Maybe "date" it by making "Conference => 'Open Source 2001'" or something... Other than that, looks good to me. Let me know if you need any image work (Photoshop/Gimp/etc)... -- Bruce ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From anthony at zoovy.com Mon Jun 25 15:35:25 2001 From: anthony at zoovy.com (Anthony Kilna) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:22 2004 Subject: T-shirts Message-ID: ~sdpm~ Well, if we want to really date it (down to the second) and prove our immense geektitude, we could use the unix datetime int of the start of the show. :) Anthony Kilna - anthony@zoovy.com - 1-877-966-8948 x112 >>> Bruce Timberlake 06/25/01 01:17PM >>> ~sdpm~ Chris Radcliff wrote: > ~sdpm~ > > Hello all, > > I'm about to mock up a quick t-shirt design, so I'm wondering if we > have consensus about the text on the shirt. Since consensus is so > important, I've enclosed my own version of the shirt code, which is > completely incompatible with other versions. :) jalph.pl would go > on the front, and SanDiego.pm would go on the back. (BTW, I've > checked the code. It runs.) > > Over the next 24 hours, could everyone post their > vote/choice/thought to the list, so Bobby can tabulate them and mix > them and shake them and come up with the final text? Whatever gets > chosen goes on the first mock-up. Looks great to me!! Maybe "date" it by making "Conference => 'Open Source 2001'" or something... Other than that, looks good to me. Let me know if you need any image work (Photoshop/Gimp/etc)... -- Bruce ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From todd.rockhold at ontogen.com Mon Jun 25 15:40:15 2001 From: todd.rockhold at ontogen.com (Todd Rockhold) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:22 2004 Subject: T-shirts Message-ID: <01Jun25.135535pdt.118081@gateway.ontogen.com> ~sdpm~ I like Bruce's Open Source 2001 idea. Looks good to me. Enough but not too much code on front and back. -----Original Message----- From: Chris Radcliff [SMTP:chris@velocigen.com] Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 12:39 PM To: San Diego Perl Mongers Subject: T-shirts ~sdpm~ Hello all, I'm about to mock up a quick t-shirt design, so I'm wondering if we have consensus about the text on the shirt. Since consensus is so important, I've enclosed my own version of the shirt code, which is completely incompatible with other versions. :) jalph.pl would go on the front, and SanDiego.pm would go on the back. (BTW, I've checked the code. It runs.) Over the next 24 hours, could everyone post their vote/choice/thought to the list, so Bobby can tabulate them and mix them and shake them and come up with the final text? Whatever gets chosen goes on the first mock-up. Thanks, ~chris --- japlh.pl ----- #!/usr/bin/perl use SanDiego; print "Just ", (in SanDiego) ? "A Local" : "Another", " Perl Hacker!"; --- SanDiego.pm --- package SanDiego; our %SanDiego = ( weather => 'Wonderful', beaches => ['sandy', 'sunny', 'scenic'], PerlMongers => 'SanDiego.pm', conference => 'Open Source', electricity => rand(1), Zoo => 'World Famous', ); sub in { if ($SanDiego{ weather} and $SanDiego{ conference} and $SanDiego{ PerlMongers}) { "I must be home!"; } } ("true, true"); ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From bruce at brtnet.org Mon Jun 25 18:21:29 2001 From: bruce at brtnet.org (Bruce Timberlake) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:22 2004 Subject: SDPM webserver References: <007d01c0fb5d$91c43860$02f39140@develop> <200106251022160370.00129D68@mail> Message-ID: <3B37C779.5050600@brtnet.org> ~sdpm~ > As for a web server, I have TWO computers that have FreeBSD on them. > They are both are perfect for the job, so I am sure ONE will work > out. Bruce, maybe you can give me a call soon (858-720-1789) You > can come over and check out the machines and see which might be > more appropriate for the job. Thanks to Garrett's generosity, we now have a PC to use for our webserver... I will be wiping it clean (the one he gave us has Windows98 installed -- not really optimal for our purposes!), and installing RedHat Linux v7.1 on it. I am away on vacation the first 2 weeks of July; after that, perhaps we can find a generous company to allocate us an IP address and some bandwidth to put this box online. Then we can create shell accounts for group members, set up a CPAN/RedHat/whatever mirror, etc. So get your CPAN module requests in to me over the next few weeks, and I'll make sure they get installed for everyone to tinker with once the box is actually online... Also, if anyone is interested in the position/title/etc of (co) System Administrator for the server with me, let me know! I don't want/need to do it all... :) If anyone works at a Perl-friendly company who might want a free plug on our site, and a tax write-off for supporting a non-profit group, maybe you can hint around and see if they'd care to sponsor our server in their data center... -- Bruce ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From rkleeman at energoncube.net Tue Jun 26 12:45:55 2001 From: rkleeman at energoncube.net (Bob Kleemann) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:22 2004 Subject: T-shirts In-Reply-To: <3B37933C.D613028E@velocigen.com> Message-ID: ~sdpm~ >From all of the votes that I've seen, it appears that this version is the one favoured, with the exception of "Open Source 2001" replacing the current conference field. I personally think we should alter it to read Perl Conference 5, but OS 2K1 works for me too. On Mon, 25 Jun 2001, Chris Radcliff wrote: > ~sdpm~ > > Hello all, > > I'm about to mock up a quick t-shirt design, so I'm wondering if we have > consensus about the text on the shirt. Since consensus is so important, > I've enclosed my own version of the shirt code, which is completely > incompatible with other versions. :) jalph.pl would go on the front, and > SanDiego.pm would go on the back. (BTW, I've checked the code. It runs.) > > Over the next 24 hours, could everyone post their vote/choice/thought to > the list, so Bobby can tabulate them and mix them and shake them and > come up with the final text? Whatever gets chosen goes on the first > mock-up. > > Thanks, > ~chris > > > --- japlh.pl ----- > #!/usr/bin/perl > > use SanDiego; > > print "Just ", > (in SanDiego) > ? "A Local" > : "Another", > " Perl Hacker!"; > > > --- SanDiego.pm --- > package SanDiego; > > our %SanDiego = ( > weather => 'Wonderful', > beaches => ['sandy', 'sunny', 'scenic'], > PerlMongers => 'SanDiego.pm', > conference => 'Open Source', > electricity => rand(1), > Zoo => 'World Famous', > ); > > sub in { > if > ($SanDiego{ weather} and > $SanDiego{ conference} and > $SanDiego{ PerlMongers}) { > > "I must be home!"; > } > } > > ("true, true"); > ~sdpm~ > > The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org > > List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org > > If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, > you can send mail to with the following > command in the body of your email message: > > unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list > > If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, > (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the > list itself) send email to . > This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need > to contact a human. > > ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From merlyn at stonehenge.com Tue Jun 26 13:07:08 2001 From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:22 2004 Subject: T-shirts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ~sdpm~ >>>>> "Bob" == Bob Kleemann writes: Bob> From all of the votes that I've seen, it appears that this version is the Bob> one favoured, with the exception of "Open Source 2001" replacing the Bob> current conference field. I personally think we should alter it to read Bob> Perl Conference 5, but OS 2K1 works for me too. It's your-guyses shirts, but I'd suggest that those are a bit too "busy". The print will be so small that you'll have to stand less than 3 feet away to read it. Keep it down to 10 words or less, and I think you'll be much happier. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From anthony at zoovy.com Tue Jun 26 13:25:02 2001 From: anthony at zoovy.com (Anthony Kilna) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:22 2004 Subject: T-shirts Message-ID: ~sdpm~ I have to agree, my first sugegstion last month (that went into the bit bucket) was something along the lines of: use SanDiego qw(beautiful sunny); use SanDiego::PerlConference; $fun = new SanDiego::PerlConference; $fun->announce("Just Another $SanDiego::perl_hacker"); ... or somesuch. Anthony Kilna - anthony@zoovy.com - 1-877-966-8948 x112 >>> Randal L. Schwartz 06/26/01 11:07AM >>> ~sdpm~ >>>>> "Bob" == Bob Kleemann writes: Bob> From all of the votes that I've seen, it appears that this version is the Bob> one favoured, with the exception of "Open Source 2001" replacing the Bob> current conference field. I personally think we should alter it to read Bob> Perl Conference 5, but OS 2K1 works for me too. It's your-guyses shirts, but I'd suggest that those are a bit too "busy". The print will be so small that you'll have to stand less than 3 feet away to read it. Keep it down to 10 words or less, and I think you'll be much happier. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From chris at velocigen.com Tue Jun 26 15:15:50 2001 From: chris at velocigen.com (Chris Radcliff) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:22 2004 Subject: T-shirts References: Message-ID: <3B38ED76.30108@velocigen.com> ~sdpm~ Hi all, Okay, the votes are in. I'll make one design with the longer code, and a second design with the shorter code. Bob can choose which one he likes best, or we could offer them both if they're both fabulous. ;) I'll put them together soon and post the URL to the list. ~chris Anthony Kilna wrote: > I have to agree, my first sugegstion last month (that went into the > bit bucket) was something along the lines of: > > use SanDiego qw(beautiful sunny); > use SanDiego::PerlConference; > > $fun = new SanDiego::PerlConference; > $fun->announce("Just Another $SanDiego::perl_hacker"); > > ... or somesuch. > Randal L. Schwartz wrote: > It's your-guyses shirts, but I'd suggest that those are a bit too > "busy". The print will be so small that you'll have to stand less > than 3 feet away to read it. Keep it down to 10 words or less, and I > think you'll be much happier. > > ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human.