From daoswald at gmail.com Tue Apr 2 17:02:29 2013 From: daoswald at gmail.com (David Oswald) Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2013 18:02:29 -0600 Subject: [Saltlake-pm] A Perl slot at Open West Message-ID: It's come to my attention that there may be an open slot for a Perl-related talk at Open West. ?I'd hate to see it slip to some other language. ?Would anyone like to give a Perlish talk there? ?I think a free pass might be available to speakers. ? Dave David Oswald -- daoswald at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From daoswald at gmail.com Wed Apr 3 14:38:24 2013 From: daoswald at gmail.com (David Oswald) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 15:38:24 -0600 Subject: [Saltlake-pm] Fwd: IMPORTANT : OpenWest 2013 Registration Open! In-Reply-To: <515C8442.3040907@utos.org> References: <515C8442.3040907@utos.org> Message-ID: I'm forwarding the following message from the Open West organizers. We Perl Mongers are entitled to a registration discount, using the promo code "PERL". From: Community Date: Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 1:34 PM Subject: IMPORTANT : OpenWest 2013 Registration Open! To: saltlake-pm-owner at pm.org Greets! The 6th annual OpenWest Conference is just 1 month away! Conference keynotes include: Rasmus Lerdorf, original architect of PHP and Mark Callahan, Facebook MySQL engineering team lead. In addition we?re offering over 100 presentations spanning the latest open source, open hardware and open standards technologies. Tracks ranging from information security to embedded systems and how to start your own business, code languages include: JavaScript, PHP, Python, Ruby, and Perl and more! (http://openwest.org/schedule) Discount codes exist for all open source organizations (if yours isn?t below, please email me), and are found at the bottom of the email, please choose the one that best applies to you! This is looking to be our best conference yet and as usual, something this awesome doesn't happen on its' own. Want to attend for free? We need volunteers to help! We are looking for volunteers to help out. There are a few rolls to fill such as: -A/V -Room Monitors -Registration -Setup/Take down. If you are interested please go tohttp://www.openwest.org/volunteer/and signup. OpenWest Conference 2013 May 2nd - 4th UVU Science Building http://openwest.org The OpenWest Conference is a 3-day series of technical presentations, tutorials and panels aimed at businesses, developers and IT decision makers. The conference focuses on Open-Source, Open Hardware and Open Standards. mj/v Discount Codes: PERL, BYU, Maker, MOBILEDEV, OALUG, PLUG, SLLUG, UHUG, UJUG, UPHPU, URUG, UTAHJS, UTAHPYTHON, UTAHRUBY, UTOS, WPSLC From perlhoser at gmail.com Wed Apr 3 14:41:42 2013 From: perlhoser at gmail.com (Joseph Hall) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 15:41:42 -0600 Subject: [Saltlake-pm] A Perl slot at Open West In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm already pretty much tapped for this conference, but I can confirm that speakers get in free. We can't let those Python, PHP and *shudder* Ruby guys get ahead of us! Who wants to fight for the good of Perl? On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 6:02 PM, David Oswald wrote: > It's come to my attention that there may be an open slot for a Perl-related > talk at Open West. I'd hate to see it slip to some other language. Would > anyone like to give a Perlish talk there? I think a free pass might be > available to speakers. > > Dave > > > > > David Oswald -- daoswald at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > Saltlake-pm mailing list > Saltlake-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/saltlake-pm > http://saltlake.pm.org -- "In order to create, you have to have the willingness, the desire to be challenged, to be learning." -- Ferran Adria (speaking at Harvard, 2011) From daoswald at gmail.com Mon Apr 8 08:32:17 2013 From: daoswald at gmail.com (David Oswald) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 09:32:17 -0600 Subject: [Saltlake-pm] Reminder: Our first meeting is Tuesday. Message-ID: This is just a reminder.... Come one, come all! The first meeting of Salt Lake Perl Mongers this decade is tomorrow. The Time: Tuesday April 9th, 2013 7:00pm. The location: Salt Stack 5272 South College Drive, #301 Murray, Utah 84123 The Topics: Dave Oswald will give a presentation on the basics of building a CPAN distribution. We will discuss goals and directions for the Salt Lake Perl Mongers group. -- David Oswald daoswald at gmail.com From daoswald at gmail.com Tue Apr 9 22:08:09 2013 From: daoswald at gmail.com (David Oswald) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 23:08:09 -0600 Subject: [Saltlake-pm] Thanks, and let's do it again... Message-ID: Thanks to all those who participated in our inaugural meeting tonight, and to Salt Stack for opening their doors to us. For those of you who missed it, you're in luck; we're going to do another. The slides for tonight's meeting are on SlideShare at http://www.slideshare.net/daoswald/30-minutes-to-cpan Our next meeting will be the 2nd Tuesday in May; May 14th 2013 at 7:00pm. Details will emerge here and on the website: http://saltlake.pm.org . Bring a friend. Invite co-workers. Let's thrive. Gordon Child volunteered to give us a presentation on Dancer next month! Gordon, please get back to me sometime prior to our next meeting to provide a title and abstract for your presentation so that I can get the website updated. If anyone else has a topic they'd like to discuss let me know, and we'll make it a double-feature. We'll be looking for a host for May. A few ideas were tossed around in tonight's meeting, so if anyone has the ability to make one of them happen let me know. Dave -- David Oswald daoswald at gmail.com From fozzmoo at gmail.com Tue Apr 9 22:40:38 2013 From: fozzmoo at gmail.com (Doran L. Barton) Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2013 23:40:38 -0600 Subject: [Saltlake-pm] Testing. 1. 2. 3. Message-ID: <3558038.qkmqNhjpAx@foo.fozzilinymoo.org> This is a just a test. I have unsuscribed with my fozz at xmission.com address and have resubscribed using my gmail address with hopes this solves the riddle. Please work. -- Doran L. Barton - Linux, Perl, Web, good fun, and more! "No limit on sex." -- Seen in an non-discriminating employment ad From perlhoser at gmail.com Wed Apr 10 10:14:57 2013 From: perlhoser at gmail.com (Joseph Hall) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 11:14:57 -0600 Subject: [Saltlake-pm] LWP Packaging Weirdness Message-ID: Okay, this is driving me crazy. Those of you using LWP on Red Hat or Ubuntu will find the following files on your system: /usr/bin/HEAD /usr/bin/GET /usr/bin/POST Those of us running Arch will not find those. On Red Hat, you can find these attached to the perl-libwww-perl package: http://pastebin.com/wwt8c0x3 If you investigate on Ubuntu, you will discover those files belonging to the libwww-perl package. But they don't belong to the perl-libwww package on Arch. So I started looking around upstream: https://github.com/libwww-perl/libwww-perl http://search.cpan.org/dist/libwww-perl/ They just don't exist. You may notice that the pastebin above is for 5.837, and think that maybe those files were pulled from recent versions. But if you go back and browse CPAN and GitHub for those versions, you still won't find them. Where the foo are these files coming from? -- "In order to create, you have to have the willingness, the desire to be challenged, to be learning." -- Ferran Adria (speaking at Harvard, 2011) From daoswald at gmail.com Wed Apr 10 10:59:36 2013 From: daoswald at gmail.com (David Oswald) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 11:59:36 -0600 Subject: [Saltlake-pm] Fwd: LWP Packaging Weirdness In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: As you mentioned, the don't physically exist within the libwww-perl distribution, but have a look at the Makefile.PL for that distribution: https://github.com/libwww-perl/libwww-perl/blob/master/Makefile.PL In specific, see lines 8-14: GetOptions(\my %opt, 'aliases', 'no-programs|n', 'live-tests', 'jigsaw-tests', ) or do { die "Usage: $0 [--aliases] [--no-programs] [--live-tests] [--jigsaw-tests]\n"; }; ...and then lines 21-28: if ($opt{'aliases'} && grep(/lwp-request/, @prog)) { require File::Copy; for (qw(GET HEAD POST)) { File::Copy::copy("bin/lwp-request", "bin/$_") || die "Can't copy bin/$_"; chmod(0755, "bin/$_"); push(@prog, $_); } } I don't much care for this sort of trick; in my opinion running Makefile.PL should have only one effect; create a 'make' target called 'makefile'. There probably is a way to make the creation of these files take place during the "make install" step, and it probably has something to do with ExtUtils::MakeMaker's EXE_FILES attribute. The problem is that ExtUtils::MakeMaker has grown so complex that even "really good" Perl programmers end up just doing the work inside of Makefile.PL rather than spend an afternoon fiddling with EU::MM. On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 11:14 AM, Joseph Hall wrote: > Okay, this is driving me crazy. Those of you using LWP on Red Hat or > Ubuntu will find the following files on your system: > > /usr/bin/HEAD > /usr/bin/GET > /usr/bin/POST > > Those of us running Arch will not find those. On Red Hat, you can find > these attached to the perl-libwww-perl package: > > http://pastebin.com/wwt8c0x3 > > If you investigate on Ubuntu, you will discover those files belonging > to the libwww-perl package. But they don't belong to the perl-libwww > package on Arch. So I started looking around upstream: > > https://github.com/libwww-perl/libwww-perl > http://search.cpan.org/dist/libwww-perl/ > > They just don't exist. > > You may notice that the pastebin above is for 5.837, and think that > maybe those files were pulled from recent versions. But if you go back > and browse CPAN and GitHub for those versions, you still won't find > them. > > Where the foo are these files coming from? > > -- > "In order to create, you have to have the willingness, the desire to > be challenged, to be learning." -- Ferran Adria (speaking at Harvard, > 2011) > _______________________________________________ > Saltlake-pm mailing list > Saltlake-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/saltlake-pm > http://saltlake.pm.org -- David Oswald daoswald at gmail.com From alansyoungiii at gmail.com Wed Apr 10 12:50:58 2013 From: alansyoungiii at gmail.com (Alan Young) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 13:50:58 -0600 Subject: [Saltlake-pm] Fwd: Fwd: LWP Packaging Weirdness In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I was talking with Joseph about this earlier and something kept niggling at the back of my mind. David's post brought it to the front. This has been fixed at least once in arch ( https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/17870 ). Looks like whoever updated the package didn't pay attention. Of course, this just lends support to David's argument against this kind of thing. -- Alan Young From fozzmoo at gmail.com Thu Apr 18 13:35:57 2013 From: fozzmoo at gmail.com (Doran L. Barton) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 14:35:57 -0600 Subject: [Saltlake-pm] Good possibility for future meeting location Message-ID: <3695665.VmPR5d04IQ@foo.fozzilinymoo.org> Bluehost has opened a development office in Draper, just west of I-15 and about 118th South. I'm checking with the appropriate people to make sure it's cool for SaltLake.pm to use it, but I've been assured it won't be a problem. I'll let y'all know when I have confirmation from the director of the group that works there. -- Doran L. Barton - Linux, Perl, Web, good fun, and more! "Air board to study fast food emmisions." -- Headline seen in a newspaper From daoswald at gmail.com Thu Apr 18 13:39:06 2013 From: daoswald at gmail.com (David Oswald) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 20:39:06 +0000 Subject: [Saltlake-pm] Good possibility for future meeting location In-Reply-To: <3695665.VmPR5d04IQ@foo.fozzilinymoo.org> References: <3695665.VmPR5d04IQ@foo.fozzilinymoo.org> Message-ID: <1686866315-1366317548-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1705696564-@b11.c13.bise6.blackberry> Fantastic! -- Dave Oswald -----Original Message----- From: "Doran L. Barton" Sender: "Saltlake-pm" Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 14:35:57 To: Subject: [Saltlake-pm] Good possibility for future meeting location Bluehost has opened a development office in Draper, just west of I-15 and about 118th South. I'm checking with the appropriate people to make sure it's cool for SaltLake.pm to use it, but I've been assured it won't be a problem. I'll let y'all know when I have confirmation from the director of the group that works there. -- Doran L. Barton - Linux, Perl, Web, good fun, and more! "Air board to study fast food emmisions." -- Headline seen in a newspaper _______________________________________________ Saltlake-pm mailing list Saltlake-pm at pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/saltlake-pm http://saltlake.pm.org From community at utos.org Thu Apr 18 14:36:43 2013 From: community at utos.org (Community) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 15:36:43 -0600 Subject: [Saltlake-pm] OpenWest 2013 Conference Highlights In-Reply-To: <5170615C.7060007@gmail.com> References: <5170615C.7060007@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5170676B.6050605@utos.org> Greets all! A lot of information to cover, so i'll be succinct. OpenWest 2013 Conference : May 2nd - 4th - Utah Valley University in Orem, UT http://openwest.org * Over 125 presentations including languages: Java, PHP, Python, JavaScript, Perl, Ruby * Tracks: Executive (powered by Women Tech Council), Mobile, Business, Python, Javascript, QA, Ruby, PHP, java, Perl, Embedded, Hands on Security lab (powered by The Transistor), Data, Ops, Tools & Technique, Cloud, CMS, Web, Security, Kids, Geek Life, Community *Keynotes: Phil Windley, Rasmus Lerdorf, Mark Callaghan ! Want to attend the conference for free? Be a volunteer! openwest.org/volunteer ! Register your Birds of a Feather at : openwest.org/bof Interested in starting your own business or have a question for the pros? This year we are featuring the Business Track! We've gathered together the experts you need to get your idea out in the marketplace. Attorney Jared Richards is making himself available to questions (submit yours in advance! - openwest.org/attorney). We will also have Bryant Armstrong, CPA-CITP of Squire and Associates to speak on matters financial and will also be taking questions at the end of his presentation. From here offer giants Matt Smith, Jeremy Smith step up to the plate to talk about bringing your tech idea to life and how to make it happen. (May 2nd) The Executive Track, powered by Women Tech Council helps to bridge the gap between Upper Management and their army of technologist who daily make miracles happen in the company. Sara Jones, Patent Attorney and Director of Business Development at School Improvement Network will present on Open source v. proprietary: Legal and strategic pros and cons for startups. Jenny Jessop, Technical Project Manager at Verite will be presenting: Discussing SEO and Web Trends with the CEO. I did promise succinct so i'll stop here, but this is shaping up to be one heck of a conference. Please use your User Group discount : Maker, MOBILEDEV, OALUG, PLUG, SLLUG, UHUG, UJUG, UPHPU, URUG, UTAHJS, UTAHPYTHON, UTAHRUBY, UTOS, WPSLC mj/v From fozzmoo at gmail.com Thu Apr 18 18:39:02 2013 From: fozzmoo at gmail.com (Doran L. Barton) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 19:39:02 -0600 Subject: [Saltlake-pm] Good possibility for future meeting location In-Reply-To: <1686866315-1366317548-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1705696564-@b11.c13.bise6.blackberry> References: <3695665.VmPR5d04IQ@foo.fozzilinymoo.org> <1686866315-1366317548-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1705696564-@b11.c13.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <1779685.J1xtpiZH7D@foo.fozzilinymoo.org> > Bluehost has opened a development office in Draper, just west of I-15 and > about 118th South. I'm checking with the appropriate people to make sure > it's cool for SaltLake.pm to use it, but I've been assured it won't be a > problem. I'll let y'all know when I have confirmation from the director of > the group that works there. Just heard from JR Farr at Bluehost in Draper and we're go for using their facility for meetings from now on. -- Doran L. Barton - Linux, Perl, Web, good fun, and more! "Vertical parking only." -- Seen in a Tokyo traffic handbook -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: