From dada at perl.it  Mon May  4 05:30:23 2009
From: dada at perl.it (Aldo Calpini)
Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 14:30:23 +0200
Subject: [Roma.pm] [Fwd: [mongers-it] Spending a few days in Roma]
Message-ID: <49FEDFDF.6080700@perl.it>

posto "a croce" per chi non avesse gia' ricevuto sulla lista mongers. me 
raccomanno, trattatemelo bene :-)

cheers,
Aldo
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From polettix at gmail.com  Mon May  4 06:50:39 2009
From: polettix at gmail.com (Flavio Poletti)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 15:50:39 +0200
Subject: [Roma.pm] Fwd: O'Reilly UK User Group Newsletter - Issue 03/09
Message-ID: <aeba50980905040650t953f860nd335f441629afba2@mail.gmail.com>

Ciao a tutti,
   vi giro la newsletter degli User Group O'Reilly, di cui facciamo parte.

Vi ricordo che abbiamo il 35% di sconto (con il codice OR115) e che possiamo
chiedere libri a titolo gratuito per fare recensioni. Per maggiori
informazioni andate su http://roma.pm.org/

Ciao,

   Flavio.



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From: Josette Garcia <josette at oreilly.co.uk>
Date: Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 6:01 PM
Subject: O'Reilly UK User Group Newsletter - Issue 03/09, Take 2
To: Flavio Poletti <polettix at gmail.com>


Sorry,I have done it again! You should have been able to read -

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From polettix at gmail.com  Mon May 11 04:47:58 2009
From: polettix at gmail.com (Flavio Poletti)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 13:47:58 +0200
Subject: [Roma.pm] BooK a Roma in settimana
Message-ID: <aeba50980905110447y12853a63s3c091230916a881a@mail.gmail.com>

Ciao,
   BooK (Philippe Bruhat) verr? a Roma in settimana e, come Aldo ha gi?
cross-postato, avrebbe piacere ad incontrarci.

Fabio, da quanto ho capito, preferirebbe la serata di gioved? perch? ?
l'unica in cui sar? a Roma. Se siete d'accordo fisserei una cena per gioved?
sera, probabilmente da qualche parte vicina al centro visto che immagino che
BooK non se ne andr? proprio in periferia spinta per venire a visitare Roma.

Ve va?!?

Ciao,

    Flavio.
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From balestra at cesmail.net  Mon May 11 05:04:43 2009
From: balestra at cesmail.net (Marco Balestra)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 14:04:43 +0200
Subject: [Roma.pm] BooK a Roma in settimana
In-Reply-To: <aeba50980905110447y12853a63s3c091230916a881a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <aeba50980905110447y12853a63s3c091230916a881a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <90CAA91B-A455-49EA-B157-5A44BBC86D96@cesmail.net>

On 11/mag/09, at 13:47, Flavio Poletti wrote:

> Fabio, da quanto ho capito, preferirebbe la serata di gioved? perch?  
> ? l'unica in cui sar? a Roma. Se siete d'accordo fisserei una cena  
> per gioved? sera, probabilmente da qualche parte vicina al centro  
> visto che immagino che BooK non se ne andr? proprio in periferia  
> spinta per venire a visitare Roma.
>
> Ve va?!?

da magn?? Sempre... m'hanno attaccato er vizzio da piccolo, e  
nummelos? pi? llevato.
-- 
Marco Balestra
IT consultant
balestra at cesmail.net


From d.ortolani at ecosystemspa.com  Mon May 11 05:46:17 2009
From: d.ortolani at ecosystemspa.com (Luca Dante Ortolani)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 14:46:17 +0200
Subject: [Roma.pm] BooK a Roma in settimana
In-Reply-To: <aeba50980905110447y12853a63s3c091230916a881a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <aeba50980905110447y12853a63s3c091230916a881a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1242045978FMgJpRlEAN3g02sFA5xX@ecosystemspa.com>

Gioved? 14 ci sto!
Sia Luca che Dante Ortolani ;)

> Ciao, BooK (Philippe Bruhat) verr? a Roma in settimana e, come Aldo
> ha gi? cross-postato, avrebbe piacere ad incontrarci.
>
> Fabio, da quanto ho capito, preferirebbe la serata di gioved? perch?
> ? l'unica in cui sar? a Roma. Se siete d'accordo fisserei una cena
> per gioved? sera, probabilmente da qualche parte vicina al centro
> visto che immagino che BooK non se ne andr? proprio in periferia
> spinta per venire a visitare Roma.
>
> Ve va?!?
>
> Ciao,
>
> Flavio.
> _______________________________________________
> Roma mailing list Roma at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/roma


Cordiali Saluti

Luca Dante Ortolani
-------------------------------------
Direzione Amministrativa e Commerciale
Ecosystem S.p.A.
-------------------------------------
Salviamo gli alberi! hai veramente bisogno di stampare
le tue e-mail? Si? Allora ricordati di affidarci la tua carta
da macero non appena l'avrai utilizzata su entrambe i lati!

From fabio.dalfonso at fabiodalfonso.com  Mon May 11 05:57:01 2009
From: fabio.dalfonso at fabiodalfonso.com (Fabio D'Alfonso)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 14:57:01 +0200
Subject: [Roma.pm] BooK a Roma in settimana
In-Reply-To: <1242045978FMgJpRlEAN3g02sFA5xX@ecosystemspa.com>
References: <aeba50980905110447y12853a63s3c091230916a881a@mail.gmail.com>
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From polettix at gmail.com  Mon May 11 06:40:26 2009
From: polettix at gmail.com (Flavio Poletti)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 15:40:26 +0200
Subject: [Roma.pm] BooK a Roma in settimana
In-Reply-To: <4A08209D.1000204@fabiodalfonso.com>
References: <aeba50980905110447y12853a63s3c091230916a881a@mail.gmail.com> 
	<1242045978FMgJpRlEAN3g02sFA5xX@ecosystemspa.com>
	<4A08209D.1000204@fabiodalfonso.com>
Message-ID: <aeba50980905110640y3d03b0c6v98f48037a0b2abd4@mail.gmail.com>

Idee su un posto dalle parti di Termini? Potremmo andare da qualche parte
alla Suburra, sono stato qualche volta alla pizzeria "Grazie al cielo ?
venerd?" (o qualcosa del genere) e non mi sono trovato male. Rimane da
vedere se sono aperti anche di gioved? o hanno paura di essere denunciati
per pubblicit? ingannevole :-) Altrimenti da quelle parti ci sono svariati
localini.
Ciao,

   Flavio.


2009/5/11 Fabio D'Alfonso <fabio.dalfonso at fabiodalfonso.com>

>  Buoongiorno,
> io ci sto il 14, e ho anche ufficialmente iniziato il digiuno
> preparatorio....
>
> Ciao
>
> Fabio D'Alfonso
> 'Your Partner in Business'
> cell.  +39.348.059.40.22
> web: www.fabiodalfonso.com
> email: fabio.dalfonso at fabiodalfonso.com
> fax: +39.06.874.599.581
> BlackBerry? Wireless Enabled Address.
>
>
>
>
> Luca Dante Ortolani wrote:
>
> Gioved? 14 ci sto!
> Sia Luca che Dante Ortolani ;)
>
>
>
>  Ciao, BooK (Philippe Bruhat) verr? a Roma in settimana e, come Aldo
> ha gi? cross-postato, avrebbe piacere ad incontrarci.
>
> Fabio, da quanto ho capito, preferirebbe la serata di gioved? perch?
> ? l'unica in cui sar? a Roma. Se siete d'accordo fisserei una cena
> per gioved? sera, probabilmente da qualche parte vicina al centro
> visto che immagino che BooK non se ne andr? proprio in periferia
> spinta per venire a visitare Roma.
>
> Ve va?!?
>
> Ciao,
>
> Flavio.
> _______________________________________________
> Roma mailing list Roma at pm.orghttp://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/roma
>
>  Cordiali Saluti
>
> Luca Dante Ortolani
> -------------------------------------
> Direzione Amministrativa e Commerciale
> Ecosystem S.p.A.
> -------------------------------------
> Salviamo gli alberi! hai veramente bisogno di stampare
> le tue e-mail? Si? Allora ricordati di affidarci la tua carta
> da macero non appena l'avrai utilizzata su entrambe i lati!
> _______________________________________________
> Roma mailing listRoma at pm.orghttp://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/roma
>
>
>
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From fabio.dalfonso at fabiodalfonso.com  Mon May 11 07:00:03 2009
From: fabio.dalfonso at fabiodalfonso.com (Fabio D'Alfonso)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 16:00:03 +0200
Subject: [Roma.pm] BooK a Roma in settimana
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References: <aeba50980905110447y12853a63s3c091230916a881a@mail.gmail.com>
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From polettix at gmail.com  Tue May 12 07:42:59 2009
From: polettix at gmail.com (Flavio Poletti)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 16:42:59 +0200
Subject: [Roma.pm] BooK a Roma in settimana
In-Reply-To: <4A082F63.3060106@fabiodalfonso.com>
References: <aeba50980905110447y12853a63s3c091230916a881a@mail.gmail.com> 
	<1242045978FMgJpRlEAN3g02sFA5xX@ecosystemspa.com>
	<4A08209D.1000204@fabiodalfonso.com> 
	<aeba50980905110640y3d03b0c6v98f48037a0b2abd4@mail.gmail.com> 
	<4A082F63.3060106@fabiodalfonso.com>
Message-ID: <aeba50980905120742r12af22eancec208f4e4bb8979@mail.gmail.com>

Per me va bene, puoi verificare se sono aperti gioved??
Al momento direi che siamo i seguenti:

* Philippe
* Fabio
* Luca
* Marco
* Io

Altri? Tipo emazep e Stefano, un redivivo TheHobbit, i mitici fratelli di
Casal Palocco?

Ciao,

   Flavio.


2009/5/11 Fabio D'Alfonso <fabio.dalfonso at fabiodalfonso.com>

>  Buongiorno,
> potrei proporre il ristorante Elettra in via Principe Amedeo, 74 altezza
> piazzale della stazione.
>
> Prezzi buoni e buon pesce.
>
> ?
>
> Ciao
>
> Fabio D'Alfonso
> 'Your Partner in Business'
> cell.  +39.348.059.40.22
> web: www.fabiodalfonso.com
> email: fabio.dalfonso at fabiodalfonso.com
> fax: +39.06.874.599.581
> BlackBerry? Wireless Enabled Address.
>
>
>
>
> Flavio Poletti wrote:
>
> Idee su un posto dalle parti di Termini? Potremmo andare da qualche parte
> alla Suburra, sono stato qualche volta alla pizzeria "Grazie al cielo ?
> venerd?" (o qualcosa del genere) e non mi sono trovato male. Rimane da
> vedere se sono aperti anche di gioved? o hanno paura di essere denunciati
> per pubblicit? ingannevole :-) Altrimenti da quelle parti ci sono svariati
> localini.
>  Ciao,
>
>     Flavio.
>
>
> 2009/5/11 Fabio D'Alfonso <fabio.dalfonso at fabiodalfonso.com>
>
>>  Buoongiorno,
>> io ci sto il 14, e ho anche ufficialmente iniziato il digiuno
>> preparatorio....
>>
>> Ciao
>>
>> Fabio D'Alfonso
>> 'Your Partner in Business'
>> cell.  +39.348.059.40.22
>> web: www.fabiodalfonso.com
>> email: fabio.dalfonso at fabiodalfonso.com
>> fax: +39.06.874.599.581
>> BlackBerry? Wireless Enabled Address.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Luca Dante Ortolani wrote:
>>
>> Gioved? 14 ci sto!
>> Sia Luca che Dante Ortolani ;)
>>
>>
>>
>>  Ciao, BooK (Philippe Bruhat) verr? a Roma in settimana e, come Aldo
>> ha gi? cross-postato, avrebbe piacere ad incontrarci.
>>
>> Fabio, da quanto ho capito, preferirebbe la serata di gioved? perch?
>> ? l'unica in cui sar? a Roma. Se siete d'accordo fisserei una cena
>> per gioved? sera, probabilmente da qualche parte vicina al centro
>> visto che immagino che BooK non se ne andr? proprio in periferia
>> spinta per venire a visitare Roma.
>>
>> Ve va?!?
>>
>> Ciao,
>>
>> Flavio.
>> _______________________________________________
>> Roma mailing list Roma at pm.orghttp://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/roma
>>
>>  Cordiali Saluti
>>
>> Luca Dante Ortolani
>> -------------------------------------
>> Direzione Amministrativa e Commerciale
>> Ecosystem S.p.A.
>> -------------------------------------
>> Salviamo gli alberi! hai veramente bisogno di stampare
>> le tue e-mail? Si? Allora ricordati di affidarci la tua carta
>> da macero non appena l'avrai utilizzata su entrambe i lati!
>> _______________________________________________
>> Roma mailing listRoma at pm.orghttp://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/roma
>>
>>
>>
>>  __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus
>> signature database 4064 (20090511) __________
>>
>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.
>>
>> http://www.eset.com
>>
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From polettix at gmail.com  Tue May 12 07:44:32 2009
From: polettix at gmail.com (Flavio Poletti)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 16:44:32 +0200
Subject: [Roma.pm] Fwd: O'Reilly UK User Group Newsletter - Issue 03/09,
	Take 2
In-Reply-To: <ORA-SRV02wbVflzP5F4000030fb@ora-srv02.OReilly.local>
References: <ORA-SRV02wbVflzP5F4000030fb@ora-srv02.OReilly.local>
Message-ID: <aeba50980905120744x3c2db1dcif909a9ae707b1760@mail.gmail.com>

Ciao a tutti,
   vi giro la newsletter 3/9 da O'Reilly. Vi ricordo... insomma, lo potete
leggere sul sito http://roma.pm.org/ :-)

Ciao,

   Flavio.


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Josette Garcia <josette at oreilly.co.uk>
Date: Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 6:01 PM
Subject: O'Reilly UK User Group Newsletter - Issue 03/09, Take 2
To: Flavio Poletti <polettix at gmail.com>


Sorry,I have done it again! You should have been able to read -

Hello
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Hope to hear from you soon.
Josette

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From dada at perl.it  Tue May 12 08:35:24 2009
From: dada at perl.it (Aldo Calpini)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 17:35:24 +0200
Subject: [Roma.pm] BooK a Roma in settimana
In-Reply-To: <aeba50980905120742r12af22eancec208f4e4bb8979@mail.gmail.com>
References: <aeba50980905110447y12853a63s3c091230916a881a@mail.gmail.com>
	<1242045978FMgJpRlEAN3g02sFA5xX@ecosystemspa.com>	<4A08209D.1000204@fabiodalfonso.com>
	<aeba50980905110640y3d03b0c6v98f48037a0b2abd4@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A082F63.3060106@fabiodalfonso.com>
	<aeba50980905120742r12af22eancec208f4e4bb8979@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A09973C.7060106@perl.it>

Flavio Poletti wrote:
> Al momento direi che siamo i seguenti:
> 
> * Philippe
> * Fabio
> * Luca
> * Marco
> * Io

se non ho capito male, c'e' anche la di BooK moglie.

cheers,
Aldo

From polettix at gmail.com  Tue May 12 09:43:41 2009
From: polettix at gmail.com (Flavio Poletti)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 18:43:41 +0200
Subject: [Roma.pm] BooK a Roma in settimana
In-Reply-To: <4A09973C.7060106@perl.it>
References: <aeba50980905110447y12853a63s3c091230916a881a@mail.gmail.com> 
	<1242045978FMgJpRlEAN3g02sFA5xX@ecosystemspa.com>
	<4A08209D.1000204@fabiodalfonso.com> 
	<aeba50980905110640y3d03b0c6v98f48037a0b2abd4@mail.gmail.com> 
	<4A082F63.3060106@fabiodalfonso.com>
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	<4A09973C.7060106@perl.it>
Message-ID: <aeba50980905120943ofd0f287u3ced7b1a861f7802@mail.gmail.com>

ops...

* Philippe
* LA MOGLIE DI Philippe...
* Fabio
* Luca
* Marco
* Io


> se non ho capito male, c'e' anche la di BooK moglie.
>
> cheers,
> Aldo
>
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From fabio.dalfonso at fabiodalfonso.com  Wed May 13 00:26:38 2009
From: fabio.dalfonso at fabiodalfonso.com (Fabio D'Alfonso)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 09:26:38 +0200
Subject: [Roma.pm] BooK a Roma in settimana
In-Reply-To: <aeba50980905120742r12af22eancec208f4e4bb8979@mail.gmail.com>
References: <aeba50980905110447y12853a63s3c091230916a881a@mail.gmail.com>
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From balestra at cesmail.net  Wed May 13 05:12:26 2009
From: balestra at cesmail.net (Marco Balestra)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 14:12:26 +0200
Subject: [Roma.pm] BooK a Roma in settimana
In-Reply-To: <aeba50980905120943ofd0f287u3ced7b1a861f7802@mail.gmail.com>
References: <aeba50980905110447y12853a63s3c091230916a881a@mail.gmail.com>
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	<aeba50980905110640y3d03b0c6v98f48037a0b2abd4@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <B96C0DD4-5053-4C56-9D8B-65BC6180E867@cesmail.net>

Aggiungo il mio socio/amico, ormai convertito al Perl... :-)

* Philippe
* LA MOGLIE DI Philippe...
* Fabio
* Luca
* Marco
* Io
* Nando

-- 
Marco Balestra
IT consultant
balestra at cesmail.net



On 12/mag/09, at 18:43, Flavio Poletti wrote:

> ops...
>
> * Philippe
> * LA MOGLIE DI Philippe...
> * Fabio
> * Luca
> * Marco
> * Io
>
>
> se non ho capito male, c'e' anche la di BooK moglie.
>
> cheers,
> Aldo
>
> _______________________________________________
> Roma mailing list
> Roma at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/roma
>
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From emazep at gmail.com  Wed May 13 06:06:42 2009
From: emazep at gmail.com (Emanuele Zeppieri)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 15:06:42 +0200
Subject: [Roma.pm] BooK a Roma in settimana
In-Reply-To: <aeba50980905120742r12af22eancec208f4e4bb8979@mail.gmail.com>
References: <aeba50980905110447y12853a63s3c091230916a881a@mail.gmail.com>
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	<aeba50980905120742r12af22eancec208f4e4bb8979@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A0AC5E2.8000609@gmail.com>

Flavio Poletti wrote:

> Per me va bene, puoi verificare se sono aperti gioved??
> 
> Al momento direi che siamo i seguenti:
> 
> * Philippe
> * Fabio
> * Luca
> * Marco
> * Io
> 
> Altri? Tipo emazep e Stefano, un redivivo TheHobbit, i mitici fratelli 
> di Casal Palocco?

Io purtroppo al momento sto rintanato in casa con la febbre(*) :-(

Vi faccio sapere domani entro la mattinata se sono riuscito a 
rimettermi, se l'attesa non crea problemi.

(*)
Tranquilli, non ? quella maiala.

From leo.cacciari at gmail.com  Wed May 13 12:54:59 2009
From: leo.cacciari at gmail.com (Leo Cacciari)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 21:54:59 +0200
Subject: [Roma.pm] BooK a Roma in settimana
In-Reply-To: <B96C0DD4-5053-4C56-9D8B-65BC6180E867@cesmail.net>
References: <aeba50980905110447y12853a63s3c091230916a881a@mail.gmail.com>
	<1242045978FMgJpRlEAN3g02sFA5xX@ecosystemspa.com>
	<4A08209D.1000204@fabiodalfonso.com>
	<aeba50980905110640y3d03b0c6v98f48037a0b2abd4@mail.gmail.com>
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	<B96C0DD4-5053-4C56-9D8B-65BC6180E867@cesmail.net>
Message-ID: <1242244499.5121.3.camel@gandalf>

Il giorno mer, 13/05/2009 alle 14.12 +0200, Marco Balestra ha scritto:
> Aggiungo il mio socio/amico, ormai convertito al Perl... :-)
> 
> 
> * Philippe
> * LA MOGLIE DI Philippe... 
> * Fabio
> * Luca
> * Marco
> * Io
> * Nando
* Leo
> 

Ci sar? anche io, grazie a Fabio che mi ha avvertito visto che in questi
ultimi tempi ho avuto problemi a collegarmi.

Come dicevo a Fabio, per precedenti ed improrogabili impegni, non
riuscir? per? ad essere a Termini prima delle 9.30, 9.45... 


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From polettix at gmail.com  Thu May 14 03:07:13 2009
From: polettix at gmail.com (Flavio Poletti)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 12:07:13 +0200
Subject: [Roma.pm] BooK a Roma in settimana
In-Reply-To: <1242244499.5121.3.camel@gandalf>
References: <aeba50980905110447y12853a63s3c091230916a881a@mail.gmail.com> 
	<1242045978FMgJpRlEAN3g02sFA5xX@ecosystemspa.com>
	<4A08209D.1000204@fabiodalfonso.com> 
	<aeba50980905110640y3d03b0c6v98f48037a0b2abd4@mail.gmail.com> 
	<4A082F63.3060106@fabiodalfonso.com>
	<aeba50980905120742r12af22eancec208f4e4bb8979@mail.gmail.com> 
	<4A09973C.7060106@perl.it>
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	<1242244499.5121.3.camel@gandalf>
Message-ID: <aeba50980905140307p16cd59f6me4f3737e01296f01@mail.gmail.com>

Ciao a tutti,
   proporrei di non prenotare oltre le 9.00, comunque.
Fabio: al momento siamo in 8, se sei d'accordo ti chiederei di prenotare per
10 prendendoci un po' di margine e sperando che quei maialoni di SOS si
rimettano in fretta!

Ciao,

   Flavio.


2009/5/13 Leo Cacciari <leo.cacciari at gmail.com>

> Il giorno mer, 13/05/2009 alle 14.12 +0200, Marco Balestra ha scritto:
> > Aggiungo il mio socio/amico, ormai convertito al Perl... :-)
> >
> >
> > * Philippe
> > * LA MOGLIE DI Philippe...
> > * Fabio
> > * Luca
> > * Marco
> > * Io
> > * Nando
> * Leo
> >
>
> Ci sar? anche io, grazie a Fabio che mi ha avvertito visto che in questi
> ultimi tempi ho avuto problemi a collegarmi.
>
> Come dicevo a Fabio, per precedenti ed improrogabili impegni, non
> riuscir? per? ad essere a Termini prima delle 9.30, 9.45...
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Roma mailing list
> Roma at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/roma
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From fabio.dalfonso at fabiodalfonso.com  Thu May 14 03:33:28 2009
From: fabio.dalfonso at fabiodalfonso.com (Fabio D'Alfonso)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 12:33:28 +0200
Subject: [Roma.pm] BooK a Roma in settimana
In-Reply-To: <aeba50980905140307p16cd59f6me4f3737e01296f01@mail.gmail.com>
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From: fabio.dalfonso at fabiodalfonso.com (Fabio D'Alfonso)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 12:56:13 +0200
Subject: [Roma.pm] BooK a Roma in settimana  -  21.15
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From emazep at gmail.com  Thu May 14 03:57:46 2009
From: emazep at gmail.com (Emanuele Zeppieri)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 12:57:46 +0200
Subject: [Roma.pm] BooK a Roma in settimana
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Flavio Poletti wrote:

> Ciao a tutti,
> 
>    proporrei di non prenotare oltre le 9.00, comunque.
> 
> Fabio: al momento siamo in 8, se sei d'accordo ti chiederei di prenotare 
> per 10 prendendoci un po' di margine e sperando che quei maialoni di SOS 
> si rimettano in fretta!

Purtroppo devo dare forfait :-(

Credo per? che un rappresentante di SOS possa esserci: contatelo pure, 
magari non si fa sentire qui in lista, ma quanno che se tratta de magna' 
se materializza sempre.

Vogliate cortesemente porgere a Book anche i miei omaggi.

Ciao a tutti e a presto
-Emanuele

From polettix at gmail.com  Thu May 14 04:20:47 2009
From: polettix at gmail.com (Flavio Poletti)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 13:20:47 +0200
Subject: [Roma.pm] BooK a Roma in settimana
In-Reply-To: <4A0BF378.1090800@fabiodalfonso.com>
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Ricapitolando:
   ore 21.15
   *Ristorante Elettra Di De Nardi*
Via Principe Amedeo, 74
00185 Roma

Ciao,

   Flavio.

2009/5/14 Fabio D'Alfonso <fabio.dalfonso at fabiodalfonso.com>

>  Buongiorno,
> fatto x 10.
>
> Ciao
>
> Fabio D'Alfonso
> 'Your Partner in Business'
> cell.  +39.348.059.40.22
> web: www.fabiodalfonso.com
> email: fabio.dalfonso at fabiodalfonso.com
> fax: +39.06.874.599.581
> BlackBerry? Wireless Enabled Address.
>
>
>
>
> Flavio Poletti wrote:
>
> Ciao a tutti,
>     proporrei di non prenotare oltre le 9.00, comunque.
>  Fabio: al momento siamo in 8, se sei d'accordo ti chiederei di prenotare
> per 10 prendendoci un po' di margine e sperando che quei maialoni di SOS si
> rimettano in fretta!
>
>  Ciao,
>
>     Flavio.
>
>
> 2009/5/13 Leo Cacciari <leo.cacciari at gmail.com>
>
>> Il giorno mer, 13/05/2009 alle 14.12 +0200, Marco Balestra ha scritto:
>> > Aggiungo il mio socio/amico, ormai convertito al Perl... :-)
>> >
>> >
>> > * Philippe
>> > * LA MOGLIE DI Philippe...
>> > * Fabio
>> > * Luca
>> > * Marco
>> > * Io
>> > * Nando
>>  * Leo
>> >
>>
>> Ci sar? anche io, grazie a Fabio che mi ha avvertito visto che in questi
>> ultimi tempi ho avuto problemi a collegarmi.
>>
>> Come dicevo a Fabio, per precedenti ed improrogabili impegni, non
>> riuscir? per? ad essere a Termini prima delle 9.30, 9.45...
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Roma mailing list
>> Roma at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/roma
>>
>
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>
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From stfnegri at libero.it  Thu May 14 04:22:37 2009
From: stfnegri at libero.it (stfnegri at libero.it)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 13:22:37 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Roma.pm] R: Re:  BooK a Roma in settimana
Message-ID: <18155869.1270551242300157200.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost>

E b? ma se uno c'ha er fisico...

ma che se magna ?

>----Messaggio 
originale----
>Da: emazep at gmail.com
>Data: 14/05/2009 12.57
>A: <roma at pm.org>

>Ogg: Re: [Roma.pm] BooK a Roma in settimana
>
>Credo per? che un 
rappresentante di SOS possa esserci: contatelo pure, 
>magari non si fa sentire 
qui in lista, ma quanno che se tratta de magna' 
>se materializza sempre.
>

>Vogliate cortesemente porgere a Book anche i miei omaggi.
>
>Ciao a tutti e a 
presto
>-Emanuele
>_______________________________________________
>Roma 
mailing list
>Roma at pm.org
>http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/roma
>



From balestra at cesmail.net  Thu May 14 04:27:09 2009
From: balestra at cesmail.net (Marco Balestra)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 13:27:09 +0200
Subject: [Roma.pm] R: Re:  BooK a Roma in settimana
In-Reply-To: <18155869.1270551242300157200.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost>
References: <18155869.1270551242300157200.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost>
Message-ID: <691430FC-AC69-4B24-951A-B60A12E7167B@cesmail.net>

On 14/mag/09, at 13:22, stfnegri at libero.it wrote:

> E b? ma se uno c'ha er fisico...
>
> ma che se magna ?

p'esce
-- 
Marco Balestra
IT consultant
balestra at cesmail.net

From polettix at gmail.com  Fri May 15 01:29:47 2009
From: polettix at gmail.com (Flavio Poletti)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 10:29:47 +0200
Subject: [Roma.pm] BooK a Roma in settimana
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Ciao a tutti,
   vi giro molto volentieri un messaggio che mi ha inviato Philippe
stamattina via SMS - causa indisponibilit? di un collegamento ad Internet
fino a domenica prossima:

"Please let everyone know we spent a very nice evening: we felt like friends
visiting friends, rather than tourists. :-) -- Book"

Ciao!

   Flavio.


2009/5/14 Flavio Poletti <polettix at gmail.com>

> Ricapitolando:
>    ore 21.15
>    *Ristorante Elettra Di De Nardi*
> Via Principe Amedeo, 74
> 00185 Roma
>
> Ciao,
>
>    Flavio.
>
> 2009/5/14 Fabio D'Alfonso <fabio.dalfonso at fabiodalfonso.com>
>
>  Buongiorno,
>> fatto x 10.
>>
>> Ciao
>>
>> Fabio D'Alfonso
>> 'Your Partner in Business'
>> cell.  +39.348.059.40.22
>> web: www.fabiodalfonso.com
>> email: fabio.dalfonso at fabiodalfonso.com
>> fax: +39.06.874.599.581
>> BlackBerry? Wireless Enabled Address.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Flavio Poletti wrote:
>>
>> Ciao a tutti,
>>     proporrei di non prenotare oltre le 9.00, comunque.
>>  Fabio: al momento siamo in 8, se sei d'accordo ti chiederei di prenotare
>> per 10 prendendoci un po' di margine e sperando che quei maialoni di SOS si
>> rimettano in fretta!
>>
>>  Ciao,
>>
>>     Flavio.
>>
>>
>> 2009/5/13 Leo Cacciari <leo.cacciari at gmail.com>
>>
>>> Il giorno mer, 13/05/2009 alle 14.12 +0200, Marco Balestra ha scritto:
>>> > Aggiungo il mio socio/amico, ormai convertito al Perl... :-)
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > * Philippe
>>> > * LA MOGLIE DI Philippe...
>>> > * Fabio
>>> > * Luca
>>> > * Marco
>>> > * Io
>>> > * Nando
>>>  * Leo
>>> >
>>>
>>> Ci sar? anche io, grazie a Fabio che mi ha avvertito visto che in questi
>>> ultimi tempi ho avuto problemi a collegarmi.
>>>
>>> Come dicevo a Fabio, per precedenti ed improrogabili impegni, non
>>> riuscir? per? ad essere a Termini prima delle 9.30, 9.45...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Roma mailing list
>>> Roma at pm.org
>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/roma
>>>
>>
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>> Roma mailing listRoma at pm.orghttp://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/roma
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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>>
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From polettix at gmail.com  Fri May 22 11:00:52 2009
From: polettix at gmail.com (Flavio Poletti)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 20:00:52 +0200
Subject: [Roma.pm] Fwd: [pm_groups] Fwd: Adding Perl support for Google App
	Engine
In-Reply-To: <ad28918e0905220926x746ad2b8i7c513a829fc6c825@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A16A699.9000504@goebel.ws>
	<CA27EF3C-D79F-4F30-860D-204F6CB246B3@jays.net> 
	<ad28918e0905220926x746ad2b8i7c513a829fc6c825@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <aeba50980905221100j3ae33815h80d8b121436f1b31@mail.gmail.com>

Ciao a tutti,
   se avete un account Google potete perdere 2 minuti per richiedere il
supporto di Perl in Google Apps?

http://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/list

Basta cliccare sulla stellina, non avete nemmeno bisogno di scrivere niente
:-) Istruzioni pi? dettagliate nell'email che segue, sempre che vi
servano... ciao!

   Flavio


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Fred Moyer <fred at redhotpenguin.com>
Date: Fri, May 22, 2009 at 6:26 PM
Subject: Re: [pm_groups] Fwd: Adding Perl support for Google App Engine
To: Jay Hannah <jay at jays.net>
Cc: pm_groups at pm.org


Another quick note - you have to be logged in with a Google account.
Not a Gmail account, not a Google Apps account, but a regular Google
account (there were three different types last time I checked... go
figure... Google are you listening?).

The list is here - click 'Sign In' on the upper right.  If it seems
like I'm putting a lot of effort out there to make this simple - I am
:)  Got about half a dozen off list replies asking how the heck do you
login and vote on this thing.

http://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/list






On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 7:53 AM, Jay Hannah <jay at jays.net> wrote:
> Feel free to distribute to your groups if you like.  Thanks,
>
> j
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>> From: Garrett Goebel <ggoebel at goebel.ws>
>> Date: May 22, 2009 8:20:25 AM CDT
>> To: kc at pm.org
>>
>> Votes for supporting Perl is in 3rd place behind PHP and Ruby in Google
>> App Engine's "Open List" of issues. Perl is less than 300 votes behind
Ruby.
>> If you'd like to help change that... vote and spread the word...
>>
>> See:
>>
http://ergoletterbag.blogspot.com/2009/05/adding-perl-support-to-google-app.html
>
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From polettix at gmail.com  Sun May 24 23:47:17 2009
From: polettix at gmail.com (Flavio Poletti)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 08:47:17 +0200
Subject: [Roma.pm] Fwd: [pm_groups] White Camel Nominations
In-Reply-To: <20090525023341.GD23665@panix.com>
References: <20090525023341.GD23665@panix.com>
Message-ID: <aeba50980905242347i42a6a1d6mff2e65de0876b686@mail.gmail.com>

Ciao a tutti,
    se avete idee su qualcuno da proporre per il riconoscimento "White
Camel" ? ora di farsi avanti! Io pensavo a dada, mettendo come
giustificativo tutte le risate che mi fa fare in chan... Purtroppo a causa
del lavoro e di altre vicissitudini mi sono un po' scollegato di recente, ma
se siete pi? "connessi" e volete proporre qualcuno (tipo gli eroi che stanno
organizzando IPW e YAPC in un colpo solo) avanti tutta!

Ciao,

   Flavio.


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: David H. Adler <dha at panix.com>
Date: Mon, May 25, 2009 at 4:33 AM
Subject: [pm_groups] White Camel Nominations
To: PM Group list <pm_groups at pm.org>


If you would forward this to your groups it would be very greatly
appreciated.

Thanks!

dha

-----begin message----

Every year the White Camels are presented for service to the Perl
community.

If you look at the previous winners, you'll notice that these are mostly
unsung heroes, like previous awardee Eric Cholet, the human moderator of
so many Perl mailing lists, or Jay Hannah, one of the people running
pm.org (if you ever created/maintained a pm group, chances are that Jay
walked you through the process).

Some of these people may be well known, like Allison Randal or Randal
Schwartz, while others may be complete strangers to at least part of the
globe, like Josh McAdams or Jay. Some of them may be extreme Perl
hackers who created the original JAPH, but they actually received this
award as a recognition for their community contributions to Perl rather
than for their programming ability.

That's not to say a great hacker can't receive the award, but you don't
have to be one in order to be eligible.

That being said, the nomination process for the 2009 White Camels is now
open.

If you think there's someone who deserves a White Camel, this is the
time for you to send in your nominations. Send them to
whitecamel-suggestions at pm.org, if possible with a subject along the
lines of "White Camel Nomination :: $name". Make sure you properly
identify the nominee and tell us why you think that's a worthy
nomination.

Don't go thinking "nah, somebody else will do it" because: a) everybody
else may be thinking the same, and b) you may state your case
differently than the next person.

We'll be receiving nominations until June 21, 2009, by midnight, but
don't wait up or you'll forget. Do it now!

-----end message----
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My glass might be half empty, but I am on the way to the bar
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From fabio.dalfonso at fabiodalfonso.com  Mon May 25 14:50:16 2009
From: fabio.dalfonso at fabiodalfonso.com (Fabio D'Alfonso)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 21:50:16 +0000
Subject: [Roma.pm] Programmatore Perl con conoscenza dba?
Message-ID: <718917695-1243288164-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1405359940-@bxe1032.bisx.produk.on.blackberry>

Ciao a tutti,
qualcuno potrebbe suggerirmi una persona con conoscenze dba Oracle / sql server e Perl / DBI ?
L'ambiente ? prevalentemente windows 2003 anche perch? dbi non ha un driver per sql server e i driver odbc su linux costano grosse cifre (qualcuno ha esperienza usando i driver per sybase?)
Grazie
--
Fabio D'Alfonso
'Your Partner in Business'
cell.  +39.348.059.40.22 
web: www.fabiodalfonso.com
email: fabio.dalfonso at fabiodalfonso.com 
fax: +39.06.874.599.581 
BlackBerry? Wireless Enabled Address.

From emazep at gmail.com  Mon May 25 15:26:50 2009
From: emazep at gmail.com (Emanuele Zeppieri)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 00:26:50 +0200
Subject: [Roma.pm] Programmatore Perl con conoscenza dba?
In-Reply-To: <718917695-1243288164-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1405359940-@bxe1032.bisx.produk.on.blackberry>
References: <718917695-1243288164-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1405359940-@bxe1032.bisx.produk.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <4A1B1B2A.8000601@gmail.com>

Fabio D'Alfonso wrote:

> Ciao a tutti,
> qualcuno potrebbe suggerirmi una persona con conoscenze dba Oracle / sql server e Perl / DBI ?
> L'ambiente ? prevalentemente windows 2003 anche perch? dbi non ha un driver per sql server e
> i driver odbc su linux costano grosse cifre

Puoi tranquillamente lasciare l'applicazione su linux senza spendere 
neanche un centesimo:

?
How do I access a MS SQL Server database from Linux/UNIX?

You have loads of choices (in no particular order):
* using DBI::ProxyServer or DBD::Gofer. You'll need the former if you 
use transactions.
* using a commercial ODBC Driver or bridge like the ones from Easysoft 
or Openlink.
* using FreeTDS an open source TDS library which includes an ODBC Driver.
* using DBD::Sybase and Sybase libraries.
?

Copincollato da:
http://search.cpan.org/~mjevans/DBD-ODBC-1.21/FAQ#How_do_I_access_a_MS_SQL_Server_database_from_Linux/UNIX?

Nota che con le soluzioni dbiproxy/gopher, useresti i driver ODBC per 
Windows (pur lasciando l'applicazione su linux).

> (qualcuno ha esperienza usando i driver per sybase?)

Leggo che questa soluzione funziona, sia pure con certe limitazioni, 
bench? non ne abbia esperienza diretta.

Invece le soluzioni proxy/gopher le ho provate e funzionano egregiamente 
(anch'esse con qualche piccola limitazione rispetto all'uso di driver 
locali, ma aggirabili).

Ciao
-Emanuele

From balestra at cesmail.net  Mon May 25 23:50:35 2009
From: balestra at cesmail.net (Marco Balestra)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 08:50:35 +0200
Subject: [Roma.pm] Programmatore Perl con conoscenza dba?
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On 25/mag/09, at 23:50, Fabio D'Alfonso wrote:

> L'ambiente ? prevalentemente windows 2003 anche perch? dbi non ha un  
> driver per sql server e i driver odbc su linux costano grosse cifre

Non ho avuto grossi problemi ad accedere a MS SQL Server su Debian via  
Perl/DBI.

Ho utilizzato i driver ODBC FreeTDS...
http://marco.faqintosh.com/2007/05/accedere-microsoft-sql-server-da-perl.html
-- 
Marco Balestra
IT consultant
balestra at cesmail.net


From cuccaro.francesco at gmail.com  Tue May 26 00:23:36 2009
From: cuccaro.francesco at gmail.com (Francesco Cuccaro)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 09:23:36 +0200
Subject: [Roma.pm] Programmatore Perl con conoscenza dba?
In-Reply-To: <718917695-1243288164-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1405359940-@bxe1032.bisx.produk.on.blackberry>
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Io sono un programmatore perl :P

Il giorno 25 maggio 2009 23.50, Fabio D'Alfonso <
fabio.dalfonso at fabiodalfonso.com> ha scritto:

> Ciao a tutti,
> qualcuno potrebbe suggerirmi una persona con conoscenze dba Oracle / sql
> server e Perl / DBI ?
> L'ambiente ? prevalentemente windows 2003 anche perch? dbi non ha un driver
> per sql server e i driver odbc su linux costano grosse cifre (qualcuno ha
> esperienza usando i driver per sybase?)
> Grazie
> --
> Fabio D'Alfonso
> 'Your Partner in Business'
> cell.  +39.348.059.40.22
> web: www.fabiodalfonso.com
> email: fabio.dalfonso at fabiodalfonso.com
> fax: +39.06.874.599.581
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From cuccaro.francesco at gmail.com  Wed May 27 01:24:27 2009
From: cuccaro.francesco at gmail.com (Francesco Cuccaro)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 10:24:27 +0200
Subject: [Roma.pm] Programmatore Perl con conoscenza dba?
In-Reply-To: <718917695-1243288164-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1405359940-@bxe1032.bisx.produk.on.blackberry>
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Message-ID: <eae16ef30905270124t5ed0545bia4f2bc4a52b5970c@mail.gmail.com>

Domanda idiota ma fare il porting su postgres nn ? + semplice ed efficace?,
avresti un server di classe interprise a costo 0(o quasi)


Francesco

Il giorno 25 maggio 2009 23.50, Fabio D'Alfonso <
fabio.dalfonso at fabiodalfonso.com> ha scritto:

> Ciao a tutti,
> qualcuno potrebbe suggerirmi una persona con conoscenze dba Oracle / sql
> server e Perl / DBI ?
> L'ambiente ? prevalentemente windows 2003 anche perch? dbi non ha un driver
> per sql server e i driver odbc su linux costano grosse cifre (qualcuno ha
> esperienza usando i driver per sybase?)
> Grazie
> --
> Fabio D'Alfonso
> 'Your Partner in Business'
> cell.  +39.348.059.40.22
> web: www.fabiodalfonso.com
> email: fabio.dalfonso at fabiodalfonso.com
> fax: +39.06.874.599.581
> BlackBerry? Wireless Enabled Address.
> _______________________________________________
> Roma mailing list
> Roma at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/roma
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From fabio.dalfonso at fabiodalfonso.com  Wed May 27 02:11:29 2009
From: fabio.dalfonso at fabiodalfonso.com (Fabio D'Alfonso)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 11:11:29 +0200
Subject: [Roma.pm] Trasferimenti SFTP > 4GB
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From dakkar at thenautilus.net  Wed May 27 02:30:33 2009
From: dakkar at thenautilus.net (Gianni Ceccarelli)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 11:30:33 +0200
Subject: [Roma.pm] Trasferimenti SFTP > 4GB
In-Reply-To: <4A1D03C1.9070601@fabiodalfonso.com>
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On 2009-05-27 Fabio D'Alfonso <fabio.dalfonso at fabiodalfonso.com> wrote:
> tempo fa avevo fatto un piccolo script per fare il backup e copiare
> via sftp il file su una macchina diversa.
> 
> Il problema ? che il trasferimento viene troncato a 4 GB.
> Potrei fare uno split e merge ma sarebbe preferibile riuscire a
> spostare i file in blocco.
> 
> Potreste dirmi come fare?

Sulla macchina di destinazione, riesci a creare un file pi? lungo di
4GB? A occhio direi che il filesystem di destinazione non li supporta?

-- 
	Dakkar - <Mobilis in mobile>
	GPG public key fingerprint = A071 E618 DD2C 5901 9574
	                             6FE2 40EA 9883 7519 3F88
	                    key id = 0x75193F88

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From cuccaro.francesco at gmail.com  Wed May 27 02:32:58 2009
From: cuccaro.francesco at gmail.com (Francesco Cuccaro)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 11:32:58 +0200
Subject: [Roma.pm] Trasferimenti SFTP > 4GB
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Credo che i fattori che ti impediscono di spostare file + grandi di 4 gb
possano essere riassunti in 2 fascie
1)filesystem in uso
2) server ftp  in uso
io cercherei prima di capire cosa blocca questo trasferimento poi cercherei
la soluzione :)
che server ftp usi?

Francesco
Il giorno 27 maggio 2009 11.11, Fabio D'Alfonso <
fabio.dalfonso at fabiodalfonso.com> ha scritto:

>  Buongiorno,
> tempo fa avevo fatto un piccolo script per fare il backup e copiare  via
> sftp il file su una macchina diversa.
>
> Il problema ? che il trasferimento viene troncato a 4 GB.
> Potrei fare uno split e merge ma sarebbe preferibile riuscire a spostare i
> file in blocco.
>
> Potreste dirmi come fare?
>
> Grazie
> --
>
> Fabio D'Alfonso
> 'Your Partner in Business'
> cell.  +39.348.059.40.22
> web: www.fabiodalfonso.com
> email: fabio.dalfonso at fabiodalfonso.com
> fax: +39.06.874.599.581
> BlackBerry? Wireless Enabled Address.
>
>
>
>
> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus
> signature database 4108 (20090527) __________
>
> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.
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From dakkar at thenautilus.net  Wed May 27 02:35:45 2009
From: dakkar at thenautilus.net (Gianni Ceccarelli)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 11:35:45 +0200
Subject: [Roma.pm] Trasferimenti SFTP > 4GB
In-Reply-To: <eae16ef30905270232s7a4f183ck5661322bf4c4e100@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A1D03C1.9070601@fabiodalfonso.com>
	<eae16ef30905270232s7a4f183ck5661322bf4c4e100@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090527113545.6450ed52@dechirico>

On 2009-05-27 Francesco Cuccaro <cuccaro.francesco at gmail.com> wrote:
> che server ftp usi?

Nessuno. sftp usa ssh, non ftp. il nome ? fuorviante.

-- 
	Dakkar - <Mobilis in mobile>
	GPG public key fingerprint = A071 E618 DD2C 5901 9574
	                             6FE2 40EA 9883 7519 3F88
	                    key id = 0x75193F88

A student, in hopes of understanding the Lambda-nature, came to
Greenblatt. As they spoke a Multics system hacker walked by.  "Is it
true", asked the student, "that PL-1 has many of the same data types as
Lisp?"  Almost before the student had finished his question, Greenblatt
shouted, "FOO!", and hit the student with a stick.
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From cuccaro.francesco at gmail.com  Wed May 27 02:38:25 2009
From: cuccaro.francesco at gmail.com (Francesco Cuccaro)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 11:38:25 +0200
Subject: [Roma.pm] Trasferimenti SFTP > 4GB
In-Reply-To: <20090527113545.6450ed52@dechirico>
References: <4A1D03C1.9070601@fabiodalfonso.com>
	<eae16ef30905270232s7a4f183ck5661322bf4c4e100@mail.gmail.com> 
	<20090527113545.6450ed52@dechirico>
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Ecco nn avevo letto.
Quale filesystem viene utilizzato?
(in entrambe le macchine)


2009/5/27 Gianni Ceccarelli <dakkar at thenautilus.net>

> On 2009-05-27 Francesco Cuccaro <cuccaro.francesco at gmail.com> wrote:
> > che server ftp usi?
>
> Nessuno. sftp usa ssh, non ftp. il nome ? fuorviante.
>
> --
>        Dakkar - <Mobilis in mobile>
>        GPG public key fingerprint = A071 E618 DD2C 5901 9574
>                                     6FE2 40EA 9883 7519 3F88
>                            key id = 0x75193F88
>
> A student, in hopes of understanding the Lambda-nature, came to
> Greenblatt. As they spoke a Multics system hacker walked by.  "Is it
> true", asked the student, "that PL-1 has many of the same data types as
> Lisp?"  Almost before the student had finished his question, Greenblatt
> shouted, "FOO!", and hit the student with a stick.
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From fabio.dalfonso at fabiodalfonso.com  Wed May 27 02:44:20 2009
From: fabio.dalfonso at fabiodalfonso.com (Fabio D'Alfonso)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 11:44:20 +0200
Subject: [Roma.pm] Trasferimenti SFTP > 4GB
In-Reply-To: <20090527113033.08d47668@dechirico>
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From cuccaro.francesco at gmail.com  Wed May 27 02:52:27 2009
From: cuccaro.francesco at gmail.com (Francesco Cuccaro)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 11:52:27 +0200
Subject: [Roma.pm] Trasferimenti SFTP > 4GB
In-Reply-To: <4A1D03C1.9070601@fabiodalfonso.com>
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Se magari hai lo script lunedi' lo provo in ufficio e ti faccio sapere!.

Il giorno 27 maggio 2009 11.11, Fabio D'Alfonso <
fabio.dalfonso at fabiodalfonso.com> ha scritto:

>  Buongiorno,
> tempo fa avevo fatto un piccolo script per fare il backup e copiare  via
> sftp il file su una macchina diversa.
>
> Il problema ? che il trasferimento viene troncato a 4 GB.
> Potrei fare uno split e merge ma sarebbe preferibile riuscire a spostare i
> file in blocco.
>
> Potreste dirmi come fare?
>
> Grazie
> --
>
> Fabio D'Alfonso
> 'Your Partner in Business'
> cell.  +39.348.059.40.22
> web: www.fabiodalfonso.com
> email: fabio.dalfonso at fabiodalfonso.com
> fax: +39.06.874.599.581
> BlackBerry? Wireless Enabled Address.
>
>
>
>
> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus
> signature database 4108 (20090527) __________
>
> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.
>
> http://www.eset.com
>
> _______________________________________________
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From fabio.dalfonso at fabiodalfonso.com  Wed May 27 03:00:40 2009
From: fabio.dalfonso at fabiodalfonso.com (Fabio D'Alfonso)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 12:00:40 +0200
Subject: [Roma.pm] FreeTDS
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From fabio.dalfonso at fabiodalfonso.com  Wed May 27 06:38:15 2009
From: fabio.dalfonso at fabiodalfonso.com (Fabio D'Alfonso)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 15:38:15 +0200
Subject: [Roma.pm] FreeTDS
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From polettix at gmail.com  Wed May 27 08:30:16 2009
From: polettix at gmail.com (Flavio Poletti)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 17:30:16 +0200
Subject: [Roma.pm] Trasferimenti SFTP > 4GB
In-Reply-To: <4A1D0B74.8050404@fabiodalfonso.com>
References: <4A1D03C1.9070601@fabiodalfonso.com>
	<20090527113033.08d47668@dechirico> 
	<4A1D0B74.8050404@fabiodalfonso.com>
Message-ID: <aeba50980905270830m696a4ee5t69963b92d19bed59@mail.gmail.com>

Non capisco benissimo, provo a fugare qualche dubbio:

   - lo script che utilizzi si appoggia al programma sftp? Oppure si tratta
   di uno script Perl e, nel caso, su che moduli si appoggia?
   - utilizzando sftp a mano riscontri o no problemi?

Ciao,

   Flavio


2009/5/27 Fabio D'Alfonso <fabio.dalfonso at fabiodalfonso.com>

>  Buongiorno,
> origine e destinazione sono Linux ext3 (un debian e un Oracle Linux (tipo
> Redhat 5)).
> le stesse operazioni effettuate a mano non hanno problemi.
>
> Grazie
>
> Fabio D'Alfonso
> 'Your Partner in Business'
> cell.  +39.348.059.40.22
> web: www.fabiodalfonso.com
> email: fabio.dalfonso at fabiodalfonso.com
> fax: +39.06.874.599.581
> BlackBerry? Wireless Enabled Address.
>
>
>
>
> Gianni Ceccarelli wrote:
>
> On 2009-05-27 Fabio D'Alfonso <fabio.dalfonso at fabiodalfonso.com> <fabio.dalfonso at fabiodalfonso.com> wrote:
>
>
>  tempo fa avevo fatto un piccolo script per fare il backup e copiare
> via sftp il file su una macchina diversa.
>
> Il problema ? che il trasferimento viene troncato a 4 GB.
> Potrei fare uno split e merge ma sarebbe preferibile riuscire a
> spostare i file in blocco.
>
> Potreste dirmi come fare?
>
>
>  Sulla macchina di destinazione, riesci a creare un file pi? lungo di
> 4GB? A occhio direi che il filesystem di destinazione non li supporta?
>
>
>
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From fabio.dalfonso at fabiodalfonso.com  Wed May 27 09:27:40 2009
From: fabio.dalfonso at fabiodalfonso.com (Fabio D'Alfonso)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 18:27:40 +0200
Subject: [Roma.pm] Trasferimenti SFTP > 4GB
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	<4A1D0B74.8050404@fabiodalfonso.com>
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From emazep at gmail.com  Wed May 27 10:42:09 2009
From: emazep at gmail.com (Emanuele Zeppieri)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 19:42:09 +0200
Subject: [Roma.pm] Trasferimenti SFTP > 4GB
In-Reply-To: <4A1D69FC.1000109@fabiodalfonso.com>
References: <4A1D03C1.9070601@fabiodalfonso.com>	<20090527113033.08d47668@dechirico>	<4A1D0B74.8050404@fabiodalfonso.com>	<aeba50980905270830m696a4ee5t69963b92d19bed59@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A1D69FC.1000109@fabiodalfonso.com>
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Fabio D'Alfonso wrote:

> Buongiorno,
> uso i moduli Net::SFTP e Net::SSH
> lanciando l'sftp non ho problemi.

Quindi ? solo col tuo script Perl che succede, mentre usando 
direttamente il comando sftp va tutto bene?

Allora controlla che il tuo perl sia stato compilato col supporto per i 
file /grandi/:

$ perl -V | grep uselargefiles=define

e poi controlla pure che sia stato compilato col supporto per gli interi 
a 64bit:

$ perl -V | grep use64bitint=define

Ciao
-Emanuele

From balestra at cesmail.net  Fri May 29 00:58:11 2009
From: balestra at cesmail.net (Marco Balestra)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 09:58:11 +0200
Subject: [Roma.pm] Trasferimenti SFTP > 4GB
In-Reply-To: <4A1D03C1.9070601@fabiodalfonso.com>
References: <4A1D03C1.9070601@fabiodalfonso.com>
Message-ID: <C7A0FCB8-73FC-4D4B-95D8-9A0CBF797D9B@cesmail.net>

On 27/mag/09, at 11:11, Fabio D'Alfonso wrote:

> tempo fa avevo fatto un piccolo script per fare il backup e copiare   
> via sftp il file su una macchina diversa.
>  Il problema ? che il trasferimento viene troncato a 4 GB.
> Potrei fare uno split e merge ma sarebbe preferibile riuscire a  
> spostare i file in blocco.

Ho trasferito anche 8GB in SFTP, ho l'impressione che dipenda dal file  
system di destinazione.
-- 
Marco Balestra
IT consultant
balestra at cesmail.net

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From balestra at cesmail.net  Fri May 29 01:08:17 2009
From: balestra at cesmail.net (Marco Balestra)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 10:08:17 +0200
Subject: [Roma.pm] FreeTDS
In-Reply-To: <4A1D0F48.6050409@fabiodalfonso.com>
References: <4A1D0F48.6050409@fabiodalfonso.com>
Message-ID: <5A829590-B113-4075-BDDF-F682C945534A@cesmail.net>

On 27/mag/09, at 12:00, Fabio D'Alfonso wrote:

> vi ringrazio per il suggerimento, l'ho installato e ho testato la  
> connessione con tsql.
>  A questo punto come lo posso usare da Perl/DBI?

Mi pare che sul link ci fosse... comunque prima setta ODBC, poi usa il  
modo classico di DBI ma con driver "dbi:ODBC" al posto di "DBI:mysql".

In "/etc/odbc.ini" (le parti in corsivo vanno modificate):

[mydb]
Driver = FreeTDS
Description = My ODBC connection
Trace = No
Server = mysqlserver.mycompany.com
Port = 1433
Database = NORTHWIND

poi in Perl:

use DBI;
my $dbh= DBI->connect( 'dbi:ODBC:mydb', 'user', 'pass' );

ciao
-- 
Marco Balestra
IT consultant
balestra at cesmail.net

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From polettix at gmail.com  Fri May 29 01:21:08 2009
From: polettix at gmail.com (Flavio Poletti)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 10:21:08 +0200
Subject: [Roma.pm] Fwd: [pm_groups] White Camel Nominations
In-Reply-To: <20090528175655.GA14417@panix.com>
References: <20090525023341.GD23665@panix.com>
	<20090528175655.GA14417@panix.com>
Message-ID: <aeba50980905290121n3de59066q7d4a70ddcc2704ae@mail.gmail.com>

Beh... se volete proporre dada dovete farlo al seguente indirizzo:
whitecamel-suggestions at perl.org
Ciao a tutti,

   Flavio.


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: David H. Adler <dha at panix.com>
Date: Thu, May 28, 2009 at 7:56 PM
Subject: Re: [pm_groups] White Camel Nominations
To: PM Group list <pm_groups at pm.org>


On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 10:33:41PM -0400, David H. Adler wrote:

I made a mistake on the original posting. The address to send to is
whitecamel-suggestions at perl.org, not pm.org. Sorry about that. If you
could update your followers, that would be great. corrected text below.


> -----begin message----
>
> Every year the White Camels are presented for service to the Perl
> community.
>
> If you look at the previous winners, you'll notice that these are mostly
> unsung heroes, like previous awardee Eric Cholet, the human moderator of
> so many Perl mailing lists, or Jay Hannah, one of the people running
> pm.org (if you ever created/maintained a pm group, chances are that Jay
> walked you through the process).
>
> Some of these people may be well known, like Allison Randal or Randal
> Schwartz, while others may be complete strangers to at least part of the
> globe, like Josh McAdams or Jay. Some of them may be extreme Perl
> hackers who created the original JAPH, but they actually received this
> award as a recognition for their community contributions to Perl rather
> than for their programming ability.
>
> That's not to say a great hacker can't receive the award, but you don't
> have to be one in order to be eligible.
>
> That being said, the nomination process for the 2009 White Camels is now
> open.
>
> If you think there's someone who deserves a White Camel, this is the
> time for you to send in your nominations. Send them to
> whitecamel-suggestions at perl.org, if possible with a subject along the
> lines of "White Camel Nomination :: $name". Make sure you properly
> identify the nominee and tell us why you think that's a worthy
> nomination.
>
> Don't go thinking "nah, somebody else will do it" because: a) everybody
> else may be thinking the same, and b) you may state your case
> differently than the next person.
>
> We'll be receiving nominations until June 21, 2009, by midnight, but
> don't wait up or you'll forget. Do it now!
>
> -----end message----

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From polettix at gmail.com  Fri May 29 01:22:21 2009
From: polettix at gmail.com (Flavio Poletti)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 10:22:21 +0200
Subject: [Roma.pm] Trasferimenti SFTP > 4GB
In-Reply-To: <C7A0FCB8-73FC-4D4B-95D8-9A0CBF797D9B@cesmail.net>
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Con i moduli utilizzati da Fabio?

2009/5/29 Marco Balestra <balestra at cesmail.net>

>   On 27/mag/09, at 11:11, Fabio D'Alfonso wrote:
>
>  tempo fa avevo fatto un piccolo script per fare il backup e copiare  via
> sftp il file su una macchina diversa.
>  Il problema ? che il trasferimento viene troncato a 4 GB.
> Potrei fare uno split e merge ma sarebbe preferibile riuscire a spostare i
> file in blocco.
>
>
> Ho trasferito anche 8GB in SFTP, ho l'impressione che dipenda dal file
> system di destinazione.
> --
> Marco Balestra
> IT consultant
> balestra at cesmail.net
>
>
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From balestra at cesmail.net  Fri May 29 01:28:03 2009
From: balestra at cesmail.net (Marco Balestra)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 10:28:03 +0200
Subject: [Roma.pm] Trasferimenti SFTP > 4GB
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References: <4A1D03C1.9070601@fabiodalfonso.com>
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On 29/mag/09, at 10:22, Flavio Poletti wrote:

>> Ho trasferito anche 8GB in SFTP, ho l'impressione che dipenda dal
>> file system di destinazione.
>
> Con i moduli utilizzati da Fabio?

No... ho letto solo dopo il resto del thread, avevo risposto al post  
originale.

Sorry :-P
-- 
Marco Balestra
IT consultant
balestra at cesmail.net


From fabio.dalfonso at fabiodalfonso.com  Fri May 29 01:31:42 2009
From: fabio.dalfonso at fabiodalfonso.com (Fabio D'Alfonso)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 10:31:42 +0200
Subject: [Roma.pm] Trasferimenti SFTP > 4GB
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From polettix at gmail.com  Fri May 29 01:43:37 2009
From: polettix at gmail.com (Flavio Poletti)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 10:43:37 +0200
Subject: [Roma.pm] Trasferimenti SFTP > 4GB
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	<C7A0FCB8-73FC-4D4B-95D8-9A0CBF797D9B@cesmail.net> 
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Per prima cosa compilerei perl come utente normale con i parametri corretti
tanto per vedere se funziona, ci si mette una decina di minuti. Sul perl di
sistema non interverrei, per cui come seconda cosa mi terrei il perl
compilato come utente normale :-) Il "mio" perl lo tengo sotto /opt/perl.
Ciao,

    Flavio.

2009/5/29 Fabio D'Alfonso <fabio.dalfonso at fabiodalfonso.com>

>
> Buongiorno,
> abbiamo verificato che il problema ? quello suggerito da Emanuele (la
> seconda $ perl -V | Grep use64bitint=define  ? mancante)
>
> Emanuele mi ha suggerito di compilare un perl sotto root con le opportune
> modifiche, ma mi chiedevo: trovando i sorgenti del perl installato e
> ricompilando quello non sarebbe pi?' lineare?
> Ci dovrebbero essere anche i sorgenti nella debian?
>
> Grazie
>
>  Fabio D'Alfonso
> 'Your Partner in Business'
> cell.  +39.348.059.40.22
> web: www.fabiodalfonso.com
> email: fabio.dalfonso at fabiodalfonso.com
> fax: +39.06.874.599.581
> BlackBerry? Wireless Enabled Address.
>
>
>
>
> Flavio Poletti wrote:
>
> Con i moduli utilizzati da Fabio?
>
> 2009/5/29 Marco Balestra <balestra at cesmail.net>
>
>>    On 27/mag/09, at 11:11, Fabio D'Alfonso wrote:
>>
>>  tempo fa avevo fatto un piccolo script per fare il backup e copiare  via
>> sftp il file su una macchina diversa.
>>  Il problema ? che il trasferimento viene troncato a 4 GB.
>> Potrei fare uno split e merge ma sarebbe preferibile riuscire a spostare i
>> file in blocco.
>>
>>
>>  Ho trasferito anche 8GB in SFTP, ho l'impressione che dipenda dal file
>> system di destinazione.
>>  --
>> Marco Balestra
>>  IT consultant
>> balestra at cesmail.net
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Roma mailing list
>> Roma at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/roma
>>
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From emazep at gmail.com  Fri May 29 02:14:55 2009
From: emazep at gmail.com (Emanuele Zeppieri)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 11:14:55 +0200
Subject: [Roma.pm] Trasferimenti SFTP > 4GB
In-Reply-To: <4A1F9D6E.8010908@fabiodalfonso.com>
References: <4A1D03C1.9070601@fabiodalfonso.com>	<C7A0FCB8-73FC-4D4B-95D8-9A0CBF797D9B@cesmail.net>	<aeba50980905290122s566d83bbx93956726fbdd8958@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A1F9D6E.8010908@fabiodalfonso.com>
Message-ID: <4A1FA78F.3000903@gmail.com>

Ecco quello che succede quando si mescolano conversazioni pubbliche e 
conversazioni private ;-)

Fabio D'Alfonso wrote:

> Buongiorno,
> abbiamo verificato che il problema ? quello suggerito da Emanuele (la 
> seconda $ perl -V | Grep use64bitint=define  ? mancante)
> 
> Emanuele mi ha suggerito di compilare un perl sotto root con le 
> opportune modifiche, ma mi chiedevo: trovando i sorgenti del perl 
> installato e ricompilando quello non sarebbe pi?' lineare?

No.

> Ci dovrebbero essere anche i sorgenti nella debian?

S?, ma non lo fare.

Ad uso di altri eventuali lettori, allego qui in calce le istruzioni che 
ti avevo gi? mandato in privato, assieme agli annessi consigli.

---

Emanuele Zeppieri wrote to Fabio D'alfonso:

Su debian ti conviene non toccare il perl di sistema ed installare il 
nuovo perl sotto la tua home.

Per farlo i passi sono questi:

wget http://search.cpan.org/CPAN/authors/id/N/NW/NWCLARK/perl-5.8.9.tar.gz

tar -xzvf perl-5.8.9.tar.gz

cd perl-5.8.9

./Configure -des \
     -Dprefix=/home/utente/perl \
     -Duselargefiles \
     -Duse64bitint

make test

make install

A questo punto per? avrai sicuramente incompatibilit? binarie tra il 
nuovo perl e molti dei moduli gi? installati, per cui anch'essi vanno 
ricompilati e reinstallati, sempre sotto la tua home.
Per farlo ti aiuta molto il modulo local::lib
http://search.cpan.org/dist/local-lib/

(per installarlo segui la procedura di bootstrap descritta nel POD).

Ma, se non sei pi? che sicuro di quello che stai facendo, *non* lo fare 
e cerca una soluzione alternativa tipo lo split/cat dei file > 4GB.
Se non l'hai mai fatto prima, perlomeno prova prima tutta la procedura 
di compilazione e installazione di perl + local::lib su una macchina di 
test.

Su un'architettura a 64-bit (tipo amd64 o ia64) il pacchetto binario del 
perl di debian ? gi? compilato col supporto per gli interi a 64-bit, per 
cui potresti fare prima un test del tuo script su una macchina di questo 
tipo, se ce l'hai a disposizione, per assicurarti che la causa sia 
veramente quella.

Su architetture a 32-bit invece debian fornisce purtroppo il perl senza 
supporto per gli interi a 64-bit (stupidamente), per cui sei costretto a 
ricompilarlo.

Ciao
-Emanuele

From emazep at gmail.com  Fri May 29 02:26:07 2009
From: emazep at gmail.com (Emanuele Zeppieri)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 11:26:07 +0200
Subject: [Roma.pm] Trasferimenti SFTP > 4GB
In-Reply-To: <4A1FA78F.3000903@gmail.com>
References: <4A1D03C1.9070601@fabiodalfonso.com>
	<C7A0FCB8-73FC-4D4B-95D8-9A0CBF797D9B@cesmail.net>
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Message-ID: <66ce663d0905290226y1f46961fle7526ca5ca0874e6@mail.gmail.com>

2009/5/29 Emanuele Zeppieri <emazep at gmail.com>:

> Emanuele Zeppieri wrote to Fabio D'alfonso:
>
> Su debian ti conviene non toccare il perl di sistema ed installare il nuovo
> perl sotto la tua home.

Che, se ancora non fosse chiaro, ? esattamente l'opposto che
"compilare un perl sotto root", come da te riferito ;-)

(Peraltro, se avessi inteso fartelo installare da root, avrei messo un
"sudo" davanti a "make install").

Ciao
-Emanuele

From fabio.dalfonso at fabiodalfonso.com  Fri May 29 02:51:47 2009
From: fabio.dalfonso at fabiodalfonso.com (Fabio D'Alfonso)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 11:51:47 +0200
Subject: [Roma.pm] Trasferimenti SFTP > 4GB
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From emazep at gmail.com  Fri May 29 04:34:30 2009
From: emazep at gmail.com (Emanuele Zeppieri)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 13:34:30 +0200
Subject: [Roma.pm] Fwd: [pm_groups] White Camel Nominations
In-Reply-To: <aeba50980905290121n3de59066q7d4a70ddcc2704ae@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090525023341.GD23665@panix.com>	<20090528175655.GA14417@panix.com>
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Flavio Poletti wrote:

> Beh... se volete proporre dada dovete farlo al seguente indirizzo: 
> whitecamel-suggestions at perl.org <mailto:whitecamel-suggestions at perl.org>

Ma si pu? proporre pi? di una persona?

Perch? oltre a dada proporrei anche il team dell'IPW...

From dada at perl.it  Fri May 29 05:54:38 2009
From: dada at perl.it (Aldo Calpini)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 14:54:38 +0200
Subject: [Roma.pm] Fwd: [pm_groups] White Camel Nominations
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Message-ID: <4A1FDB0E.1000605@perl.it>

Flavio Poletti wrote:
> Ciao a tutti,
> 
>     se avete idee su qualcuno da proporre per il riconoscimento "White 
> Camel" ? ora di farsi avanti! Io pensavo a dada, mettendo come 
> giustificativo tutte le risate che mi fa fare in chan... 

siate seri, suvvia (e da che pulpito...). se qualcuno e' da nominare, 
quello e' dakkar, nun ce stanno cazzi.


cheers,
Aldo


From emazep at gmail.com  Sat May 30 02:32:57 2009
From: emazep at gmail.com (Emanuele Zeppieri)
Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 11:32:57 +0200
Subject: [Roma.pm] Fwd: [pm_groups] White Camel Nominations
In-Reply-To: <4A1FDB0E.1000605@perl.it>
References: <20090525023341.GD23665@panix.com>
	<aeba50980905242347i42a6a1d6mff2e65de0876b686@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A1FDB0E.1000605@perl.it>
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2009/5/29 Aldo Calpini <dada at perl.it>:

> Flavio Poletti wrote:
>>
>> Ciao a tutti,
>>
>> ? ?se avete idee su qualcuno da proporre per il riconoscimento "White
>> Camel" ? ora di farsi avanti! Io pensavo a dada, mettendo come
>> giustificativo tutte le risate che mi fa fare in chan...
>
> siate seri, suvvia (e da che pulpito...). se qualcuno e' da nominare, quello
> e' dakkar, nun ce stanno cazzi.

No, ? che da vecchio proporzionalista, avevo nostalgia dei bei tempi
andati delle quattro (o erano addirittura cinque?) preferenze.

Ma riconosco che i tempi sono cambiati e che oggi bisogna ricorrere al
voto utile, pena ritrovarsi sotto la guida di un papi pedofilo,
corruttore, piduista, complice di Craxi e apologeta di Mussolini
(parlo cos? in astratto, senza alcun riferimento a fatti o persone
reali).

Per? se fosse permessa almeno un'accoppiata (o un accoppiamento,
conoscendo le inclinazioni di dada), un ticket dada-dakkar (dadakkar)
sarebbe davvero insuperabile, e sbaraglierebbe la concorrenza a mani
basse.

Se po' fa'?