From bmathis at directedge.com Tue May 1 21:22:26 2001 From: bmathis at directedge.com (Brian Mathis) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:19:28 2004 Subject: [roch-pm] new perl jobs list Message-ID: <3AEF6F62.5000101@directedge.com> Some of you may be interested. Brian -------- Original Message -------- as some of you may know there have been a perl jobs announce and wanted lists hosted on pm.org. those lists have been merged and moved to the perl.org site. there are now these two lists: jobs@perl.org which is moderated and is only for posting of both job openings and situations wanted. jobs-discuss@perl.org which is not moderated and is meant to discuss the perl jobs list and web site as well and any other perl job related topics. go to jobs.perl.org for information on how to subscribe and the posting guidelines. if your pm group has a home page you might want to link to this page. the page and list are for perl jobs worldwide. telecommuting, relocation and other options are common so don't think you have to be in a particular goegraphic location to participate. also agencies and HR types are welcome too. spread the word about this page and list to any of those you know who deal with the perl job market. thanx, uri -- Brian Mathis Direct Edge http://www.directedge.com -- For information on unsubscribing from this list, please visit http://rochester.pm.org From bmathis at directedge.com Wed May 2 21:25:31 2001 From: bmathis at directedge.com (Brian Mathis) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:19:28 2004 Subject: [roch-pm] [Fwd: Damian Conway's Advanced OO Perl Class] Message-ID: <3AF0C19B.8030308@directedge.com> For those who don't know, Damian Conway was "hired" by the Perl community for 1 year to work on Perl stuff. They took a bunch of donations, and got enough to pay him a year's salary. Anyway, he's giving a talk, so if you're planning on being near Boston, you might want to check it out. -- Brian Mathis Direct Edge http://www.directedge.com -------- Original Message -------- Advanced Object Oriented Perl Class in Boston, July 10-11 Damian Conway will be teaching his advanced object oriented class in Boston on Tuesday/Wednesday, July 10-11, 2001. The class will be at the Cambridge Marriott which is located in East Cambridge, on the Kendall/MIT stop of the Red Line subway. It is only 5 miles from Logan airport, close to downtown Boston and Harvard Sq. and is easily reached by car or public transportation. Damian is the author of Object Oriented Perl, numerous Perl modules, has given lectures at major Perl and Open Source conferences and is a recognized expert in Object Oriented programming. Damian has taught his Advanced OO Perl course all over the world to great acclaim. He is justly famous for his lecturing style which combines education and entertainment in a way that keeps his audience in rapt attention. His classes are not just a typical learning experience from a book or notes. Here is a rare opportunity for you to learn about OO Perl directly from the master. This will be a small class of no more than 30 students so you be able to have quality interactions with Damian and have your questions answered. Damian won't be back in Boston for at least a year so don't lose out on a great opportunity. How to register and much more information can be found at: http://www.sysarch.com/perl/OOP_class.html There are already 9 registrants so register early to guarantee your seat. If you have any questions or feedback, send email to uri@sysarch.com. Thanx, Uri Guttman -- For information on unsubscribing from this list, please visit http://rochester.pm.org From bmathis at directedge.com Wed May 2 21:35:31 2001 From: bmathis at directedge.com (Brian Mathis) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:19:28 2004 Subject: [roch-pm] [Fwd: O'Reilly Open Source Convention--Registration Open] Message-ID: <3AF0C3F3.3070501@directedge.com> Open Source Conference. Note at the bottom, if you use the special code you get %20 off the fees. -- Brian Mathis Direct Edge http://www.directedge.com -------- Original Message -------- May 1, 2001 BUCKING THE ECONOMY--O'REILLY'S 2001 OPEN SOURCE CONVENTION LARGER THAN EVER "The best kept secret of our world is that various open source software products are the lynch pins that hold our global enterprise together" --Keynote speaker Phillip Moore of Morgan Stanley Registration is now open for the O'Reilly Open Source Convention, to be held July 23-27, 2001 at the Sheraton San Diego, San Diego, CA. With over 200 talks, 60 tutorials, and 17 rooms, this year's convention, encompassing the Perl Conference 5, the PHP Conference, the 8th Tcl/Tk Conference, XTech, the O'Reilly Summit on Open Source Strategies, and others--is larger (and one day longer) than O'Reilly's previous open source conventions. The increased size of the O'Reilly Open Source Convention also required a change of venue, and the conference planners chose San Diego so that attendees could combine the convention with a little R&R. "Fun, sun, and family activities are endless in San Diego, and this year we're planning more activities for the families of attendees than ever before," says Angela Capo, O'Reilly's Conference Planner. O'Reilly's Open Source Convention is renowned as a gathering of top-notch leaders, experts, and visionaries from all avenues of the open source movement. This year's speakers and panelists include: Larry Wall, Rasmus Lerdorf, Guido van Rossum, Eric S. Raymond, Brian Behlendorf, Damian Conway, W. Phillip Moore, chromatic, David Ascher, Jon Orwant, Mitchell Baker, Tom Christiansen, Simon Cozens, Randal Schwartz, Mark-Jason Dominus, Doug MacEachern, Ray Lischner, and Andy Neely. (For a complete list of speakers, see http://conferences.oreillynet.com/cs/os2001/pub/10/speakers.html) "This year, more than ever, the open source convention is a key event for anyone interested in the future of software," says Tim O'Reilly, founder and president of O'Reilly & Associates. "Even as the hype and stock market valuations of Linux companies are receding, use of open source software development methodologies is on the upswing, as mainstream companies embrace the benefits of collaborative development and open source peer review. What's more, we're in the middle of a technological sea change, as we move from the desktop era to network-centric computing. Open source developers and system administrators need to learn new skills, such as working with XML, building web services with SOAP and XML-RPC, or interfacing with new networking platforms such as Jabber, Gnutella, and Jxta--not to mention working with bigger, more scalable database servers and smaller mobile devices and embedded systems." O'Reilly Open Source Convention and Perl Conference 5 Early Bird Registration through June 22, 2001: http://conferences.oreillynet.com/cs/os2001/pub/10/register.html O'Reilly User Group members are offered 20% discount on all conference session and tutorial fees. Register before June 22nd, and receive 20% discount off the already reduced Early Bird pricing. After June 22nd, discount will be applied to regular pricing. Discount code: DSUG (when registering online, enter discount code where it says "If you received a discount code, please enter it here:" -- For information on unsubscribing from this list, please visit http://rochester.pm.org From bmathis at directedge.com Sat May 5 15:28:57 2001 From: bmathis at directedge.com (Brian Mathis) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:19:28 2004 Subject: [roch-pm] [Fwd: Perl.com Newsletter: Larry Wall -- Apocalypse Two] Message-ID: <3AF46289.5030300@directedge.com> Larry's Apocalypse series gives a good look into what he has to go through in designing a language, and where Perl 6 seems to be going. Pretty good stuff. Brian Mathis -------- Original Message -------- www.perl.com update -------------------------------------- The Email for www.perl.com Subscribers ============================================================ Sponsored by NuSphere NuSphere MySQL Advantage delivers Enhanced MySQL to run your business. Row-level locking, ACID transactions, crash recovery and more are supplied by Gemini, a new MySQL table type that provides the performance, scalability and reliability required by the most demanding applications. Get the NuSphere MySQL Advantage today. Visit http://www.nusphere.com/op ============================================================ Greetings, perl.com subscribers. This is Schuyler Erle, web hacker for the O'Reilly Network, and it is my honor and pleasure to bring you the latest www.perl.com newsletter. So, without a snappy comback to Simon's last intro, here's what's new in the world of Perl. * Perl at large. The Perl Journal lives! Copies of Issue #20 have been spotted all over! However, according to the homepage at http://www.tpj.com, individual subscriptions hadn't shipped as of last week, and are "awaiting a postage deposit from Earthweb." Still, this is magnificent news for Perl's finest print periodical. Congrats again to Jon Orwant for snatching TPJ from the jaws of doom. Also, MacPerl enters the twenty-first century with the recent release of 5.6.1-alpha. Congratulations are in order for Chris Nandor, MacPerl maintainer extraordinaire, who notes on use.perl.org that MacPerl 5.6.1-alpha "is not ready for production use, there are a lot of bugs, but it is usable." Mac users are strongly encouraged to download it and take it for a spin, as the more information can be collected on the few remaining bugs, the sooner they can be fixed. You can download copies of the source and binaries at: http://macperl.sourceforge.net Meanwhile, in the wake of his Perl 5+i proposals, Damian Conway has begun to implement some of his ideas in your favorite programming language, and mine, Perl 5. Among some of his recent exploits are a NEXT:: pseudoclass that eases the pain of mixing AUTOLOAD with multiple inheritance, and an extension of the Perl 5 subroutine attribute syntax that has to be seen to be believed. Personally, I think the bug he picked up in India may be making him feverish yet. Find out more and decide for yourself: http://www.yetanother.org/damian/ * What's new on www.perl.com? The O'Reilly Network is pleased and proud to bring you the long-awaited second installment of Larry Wall's Perl Apocalypse, continuing on his whirlwind guided tour of the issues surrounding the design and development of Perl 6. In this installment, Larry covers no fwer than 28 of the over 360 Perl 6 RFCs, focusing this week on the evolution of basic Perl constructs, like comments, literals, and variables. This week's Perl Apocalypse is classic Larry, and practically guaranteed to knock your socks off -- So roll your browser on up to www.perl.com, 'cause you're sure not going to want to miss this one! As if that wasn't enough, Pete Sergeant explores this week the wild and somewhat wacky world of reversed regular expressions, or "sexegers". (Get it?) While perl's regular expression syntax is enormously powerful, there are some common tasks, like formatting numbers with commas, that aren't so easy or efficient to perform with ordinary regexes. Using a few simple examples, Pete illustrates the "sexeger" technique, and discusses how it can be used to optimize certain matching problems in Perl. As a side note, after I read this article, I wanted to run out and write a module that would let me construct sexeger objects and use them like ordinary qr//-type regexes: my $r = Regex::Sexeger->new(... some ordinary regex ...); my $string = "... some string we want to match ..."; $string =~ $r # (or $string =~ /$r/) The object would then use the sexeger technique transparently. Well, as far as I can tell, you can't overload =~, so I decided the idea needed further thought, and I haven't gotten back to it. If you've got any ideas, I'd love to hear 'em. Finally, Simon Cozens is back with his (*insert drumroll here*) perl5-porters digest! The usual bug smashing and feature hacking continues, with one potentially exciting note being Robin Houston's continuing work on B::Deparse. Simon writes that "The Deparser is particularly important, because it shows us just how much we can get out of Perl bytecode. What would happen, for instance, if someone rewrote the Deparser to output not Perl, but another language?" Like, maybe, thinking back to Larry's announcement at TPC4, Perl 6? Read more about it at www.perl.com! So, until next week, fair Perl hackers! We now return you to your regularly scheduled E-mail. SDE ============================================================ ONLamp.com: O'Reilly Network's site for high-performance web serving. ONLamp.com helps you optimize your use of the open source web platform. 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This is Schuyler Erle, web hacker for the O'Reilly Network, and it is my honor and pleasure to bring you the latest www.perl.com newsletter. So, without dumping core, here's what's new in the world of Perl. * Perl at large. Fairly slow week, gang. Seems like everyone's still recovering from the shock of Larry's last Apocalypse, which, if you haven't read, you really should come over to www.perl.com and check out. Notably, Perl 5 had its 10,000th patch this week, for which development pumpking Jarkko Hietaniemi applied a contribution of Andreas Koenig's, in recognition of Andreas's tremendous accomplishments with CPAN.pm and the PAUSE (a.k.a. the Perl Authors Upload Server). On the perl5-porters mailing list, Jarkko writes: The PAUSE is the major part of CPAN and ... [it] wouldn't exist without Andreas. Also the wondrous CPAN.pm is his handiwork. Remember him everytime you are using CPAN.pm and a module, including all its prerequisites, installs like magic. I know Andreas wants you to remember him also when the installation doesn't work *quite* that magically :-), send him the bug report and you can be certain that Andreas will fix the problem amazingly fast. Bravo to Jarkko, Andreas, and all of the perl5 porters, past and present, who've helped the community towards this milestone. By the way, if you've never used CPAN.pm, you should definitely take a look at it, since it's way cool *and* it comes bundled with perl. CPAN.pm allows you to automatically download and install Perl modules from the Comprehensive Perl Archive Network with a single command, and it also features an interactive shell. You can find out more about CPAN.pm by running 'perldoc CPAN', or visiting: http://search.cpan.org/search?dist=CPAN Also, Chris Nandor has been pretty busy of late. Last week, I mentioned his progress on MacPerl 5.6.1. Well, not only has there been another MacPerl development update since then, but on Wednesday he also announced the long-awaited release of Slash 2.0.0. You've probably seen Slash on the web before, even if you're not familiar with it -- the name stands for "Slashdot-Like Automated Storytelling Homepage." Slash sits at the heart of slashdot.org, use.perl.org, and countless other weblog/news sites, it's Open Source to boot, and, last but not least, it's written entirely in perl! The latest version represents a significant leap forward from Slash's humble origins. If you run or are thinking of running a Slashdot-like site, have a look at: http://www.slashcode.com * What's new on www.perl.com? Simon Cozens weighs in once again with another power-packed perl5-porters digest. This week, the perl5 porters ponder the meaning of the term "thread-safe", how to relocate an existing Perl installation, and how to classify CPAN modules by license type. Also, in a strange turn of events, Ilya breaks perl by feeding it random crud. Larry's Apocalypse 2 is still the big news on www.perl.com, but I think I mentioned that earlier. Some time in the next week or so, we hope to bring you a really interesting set of ruminations from Mike Schwern, on how the cognitive lessons of the common traffic light can inform the design of a programming language, like, say, Perl 6. So stay tuned! Until next week, brave Perl hackers... We return you to your regularly scheduled E-mail. SDE ============================================================ ONLamp.com: O'Reilly Network's site for high-performance web serving. ONLamp.com helps you optimize your use of the open source web platform. Whether you use some or all of the LAMP technologies-- Linux, Apache, MySQL, Perl and much more--you'll learn from informative articles, insightful interviews, and helpful resources, with the experience and quality you expect from O'Reilly. http://onlamp.com ============================================================ Off The Wall: Larry Wall: Apocalypse Two http://www.perl.com/pub/2001/05/03/wall.html?wwwrrr_20010501.txt Larry Wall produces the next episode in his series of "Apocalypses": glimpses into the design of Perl 6. This week, he explains how Perl 6 will differ from Perl 5 in terms of chapter 2 of the Camel Book: fundamental data types, variables and the context and scoping of the language. Reversing Regular Expressions http://www.perl.com/pub/2001/05/01/expressions.html?wwwrrr_20010501.txt There are some cases where searching a regular expression is faster backwards. Pete Sergeant introduces us to sexegers, regular expressions (regexes) operating in reverse. Quick Start Guide with SOAP Part Two http://www.perl.com/pub/2001/04/24/soap.html?wwwrrr_20010501.txt Paul Kulchenko continues his SOAP::Lite guide and shows how to build more complex SOAP servers. MSXML, It's Not Just for VB Programmers Anymore http://www.perl.com/pub/2001/04/17/msxml.html?wwwrrr_20010501.txt Shawn Ribordy puts the tech back into the MSXML parser by using Perl instead of Visual Basic. ============================================================ ONLamp.com: O'Reilly Network's site for high-performance web serving. ONLamp.com helps you optimize your use of the open source web platform. Whether you use some or all of the LAMP technologies-- Linux, Apache, MySQL, Perl and much more--you'll learn from informative articles, insightful interviews, and helpful resources, with the experience and quality you expect from O'Reilly. http://onlamp.com ============================================================ Sister Sites: --------------------------------- O'Reilly Network http://www.oreillynet.com The Source for Open and Emerging Technologies XML.com http://xml.com/ XML from the inside out. ONLamp.com http://onlamp.com O'Reilly Network's High Performance Web Development site O'Reilly and Associates http://www.oreilly.com/ O'Reilly computer books, software and online publishing. ----------------------------------------------------------------- If you want to cancel a subscription to this newsletter, send an email to perl-unsubscribe@paprika.oreillynet.com NOTE: Please make certain to unsubscribe from the email address at which you receive this message For non-automated human help email elists-admin@oreillynet.com ----------------------------------------------------------------- -- For information on unsubscribing from this list, please visit http://rochester.pm.org From bmathis at directedge.com Mon May 14 08:28:22 2001 From: bmathis at directedge.com (Brian Mathis) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:19:28 2004 Subject: [roch-pm] Meeting this week Message-ID: Hey everyone, It's time for another Perl meeting, this Wednesday, 8:00pm. Details can be found on the web site. We will be going over some more XS stuff, and also talking about Perl command line options. There's a lot you can do from the command line, many things that can save plenty of time on those quick and dirty scripts. See you there. http://rochester.pm.org -- Brian Mathis Direct Edge http://www.directedge.com -- For information on unsubscribing from this list, please visit http://rochester.pm.org From webmaster at rochester.rr.com Wed May 16 15:12:24 2001 From: webmaster at rochester.rr.com (Justin C. Sherrill) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:19:28 2004 Subject: [roch-pm] Perl and Quark question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm not familiar with Quark Xpress and the way it lays out its files. Has anyone encountered a way to extract data from the files it produces? (other than by outputting a text file, which loses all the special chars.) A quick search of CPAN for "quark" produces nothing. Justin C. Sherrill Rochester Road Runner Webmaster http://www.rochester.rr.com/ "Think slow, type fats" -- For information on unsubscribing from this list, please visit http://rochester.pm.org From bmathis at directedge.com Thu May 17 09:40:04 2001 From: bmathis at directedge.com (Brian Mathis) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:19:28 2004 Subject: [roch-pm] YAPC::N::A - Perl Apprenticeship "Hour" (fwd) Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Have a few interesting Perl projects on your TODO list that you probably won't get to this year? Looking for a way to contribute to the Perl Community? Want to work with a Perl Guru and improve your knowledge of Perl? Then come to this year's Perl Apprenticeship "Hour". Adam Turoff will be hosting a 45 minute session at YAPC::America::North this June for Perlfolk to present ideas for interesting Perl projects that probably won't get done without some extra help. Projects may include things like: * documentation * tools * tutorials * bugfixes * modules * enhancements to existing code * websites * collaborative efforts * test code * program suites Presenters will have five minutes to offer a project to the community under one of the following terms: - Free for all Here's a cool idea. Do something with it if you want, it's yours. - Apprenticeship Here's an neat idea. I don't have time to implement it. If you understand the basics, then I encourage you to do something with it. I'll be available to answer your questions on this project. - Flash of Brilliance Here's an interesting project. If you understand what needs to be done, then please do something with it. After today, I cannot answer your questions. - Handoff Here's an worthwhile project. If you understand what needs to be done, then let's discuss it so I can hand the project over to you. After that, I cannot answer your questions. If you have some projects you would like to offer for the Perl Apprenticeship Hour, please send a brief project summary to , including the how you will offer the project to the community. You are encouraged to submit multiple projects. -- For information on unsubscribing from this list, please visit http://rochester.pm.org From bmathis at directedge.com Thu May 17 09:47:49 2001 From: bmathis at directedge.com (Brian Mathis) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:19:28 2004 Subject: [roch-pm] Perl and Quark question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 16 May 2001, Justin C. Sherrill wrote: > I'm not familiar with Quark Xpress and the way it lays out its files. Has > anyone encountered a way to extract data from the files it produces? (other > than by outputting a text file, which loses all the special chars.) A quick > search of CPAN for "quark" produces nothing. > > Justin C. Sherrill Interesting idea. I managed to dig up this link: http://the-tech.mit.edu/~jeremy/qt2www.html not sure how much it'll help, but there it is. You might also be able to access the data using the OLE perl interface, but that's a whole other area I've never explored. -- Brian Mathis Direct Edge http://www.directedge.com -- For information on unsubscribing from this list, please visit http://rochester.pm.org From todd at corp-com.com Thu May 17 09:58:12 2001 From: todd at corp-com.com (Todd Dorschel) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:19:28 2004 Subject: [roch-pm] YAPC::N::A - Perl Apprenticeship "Hour" (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I am a newbie to this group and would like to attend the Perl Apprenticeship "hour", however I have no idea where it is being held. Anyone like to give me a heads-up as to where I should steer my rust bucket on wheels please reply. Thanks - Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rochester-pm-list@pm.org > [mailto:owner-rochester-pm-list@pm.org]On Behalf Of Brian Mathis > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 10:40 AM > To: rochester-pm-list@pm.org > Subject: [roch-pm] YAPC::N::A - Perl Apprenticeship "Hour" (fwd) > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Have a few interesting Perl projects on your TODO list that you > probably won't get to this year? Looking for a way to contribute > to the Perl Community? Want to work with a Perl Guru and improve > your knowledge of Perl? > > Then come to this year's Perl Apprenticeship "Hour". > > Adam Turoff will be hosting a 45 minute session at YAPC::America::North > this June for Perlfolk to present ideas for interesting Perl projects > that probably won't get done without some extra help. Projects > may include things like: > > * documentation * tools > * tutorials * bugfixes > * modules * enhancements to existing code > * websites * collaborative efforts > * test code * program suites > > Presenters will have five minutes to offer a project to the community > under one of the following terms: > > - Free for all > > Here's a cool idea. Do something with it if you want, it's yours. > > > - Apprenticeship > > Here's an neat idea. I don't have time to implement it. If you > understand the basics, then I encourage you to do something with it. > I'll be available to answer your questions on this project. > > > - Flash of Brilliance > > Here's an interesting project. If you understand what needs to be > done, then please do something with it. After today, I cannot > answer your questions. > > > - Handoff > > Here's an worthwhile project. If you understand what needs to be > done, then let's discuss it so I can hand the project over to you. > After that, I cannot answer your questions. > > If you have some projects you would like to offer for the Perl > Apprenticeship > Hour, please send a brief project summary to , including > the how you will offer the project to the community. You are encouraged > to submit multiple projects. > > > -- > For information on unsubscribing from this list, please visit > http://rochester.pm.org > -- For information on unsubscribing from this list, please visit http://rochester.pm.org From bmathis at directedge.com Thu May 17 10:35:45 2001 From: bmathis at directedge.com (Brian Mathis) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:19:28 2004 Subject: [roch-pm] YAPC::N::A - Perl Apprenticeship "Hour" (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 17 May 2001, Todd Dorschel wrote: > I am a newbie to this group and would like to attend the Perl Apprenticeship > "hour", however I have no idea where it is being held. Anyone like to give > me a heads-up as to where I should steer my rust bucket on wheels please > reply. > Thanks - Todd Welcome to the group! The "hour" is being held at YAPC::America::North, which is the Perl obfuscated way of saying, "The YAPC in Northern America". YAPC stands for "Yet Another Perl Conference", because wherever started it wasn't very creative with the title :) Anyway, here's a link to the details of the conference: http://www.yapc.org/America/ Looks like it's in Motreal this year. -- Brian Mathis Direct Edge http://www.directedge.com -- For information on unsubscribing from this list, please visit http://rochester.pm.org From bmathis at directedge.com Mon May 21 15:32:51 2001 From: bmathis at directedge.com (Brian Mathis) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:19:28 2004 Subject: [roch-pm] Perl.com Newsletter: Exegesis 2 (fwd) Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 16:30:00 -0700 From: Perl Newsletter To: Perl Newsletter Subject: Perl.com Newsletter: Exegesis 2 www.perl.com update -------------------------------------- The Email for www.perl.com Subscribers ============================================================ Register today for the USENIX Annual Technical Conference June 25 - 30, 2001. Annual Tech 01 Features THIRTY professional-level TUTORIALS, KEYNOTE ADDRESS by Daniel D. Frye, Director, IBM Linux Technology Center and INVITED TALKS by speakers at the leading edge of new development and high tech research. For detailed information and to register visit: http://www.usenix.org/events/usenix01. ============================================================ Greetings, perl.com subscribers. This is Schuyler Erle, web hacker for the O'Reilly Network, and it is my honor and pleasure to bring you the latest www.perl.com newsletter. So, without throwing an exception, here's what's new in the world of Perl. * perl -MNews -e 'print @Large' This week's news is YAPC::America::North, which, as you may know, will be held this June 13 - 15 at McGill University in Montreal. What you may not know is that the schedule is now available on the Yet Another Perl Conference website at: http://www.yapc.org/America/talks.shtml Frankly, this year's schedule looks even more exciting and chock full of interesting stuff than the previous years', if such a thing is possible. Larry will be giving the keynote again, Damian will present "Life, the Universe, and Everything" on Thursday night, and the whole array of usual suspects will be holding forth in tutorials and presentations on everything else, with a heavy emphasis this year on XML, web services, and mod_perl. Mark-Jason Dominus will once again host the popular Lightning Talks. Registration has been open for almost a month, so if you're remotely interested, you can still register online at: http://na-register.yapc.org/ While we're on the subject of YAPC, don't forget that the proposal submission deadline for YAPC::Europe will be June 1. Also, ActiveState has recently released PerlEx 2.0 for Windows NT. PerlEx is a web services accelerator component for Windows NT web servers. Much like Apache's mod_perl, PerlEx can precompile and cache CGI scripts for significant performance increases. The latest version also provides features for bundling and publishing web services quickly and efficiently, using SOAP and WSDL. For more information, visit ActiveState's PerlEx pages at: http://www.activestate.com/Products/Components/PerlEx/ Finally, to follow up on our mention of The Perl Journal from a couple weeks ago, individual subscriptions have shipped, and are probably winging their way to your mailbox as you read this. On www.tpj.com, editor Jon Orwant mentions that a new publisher may be forthcoming. We're definitely keeping our fingers crossed. * What's new on www.perl.com? This week, the aforementioned Damian Conway, indentured servant to the Perl community, serves up his first Exegesis, or "an interpretation and explanation of a text, esp. Holy Writ." Basically, while Larry performs the unenviable job of examining in minute detail all of the various concepts and features that will go into building Perl 6, Damian will follow along, with the only slightly less unenviable job of attempting to explicate what all these new ideas will mean for JAPHs like you and me. The first Exegesis, conveniently starting at number 2, to match Larry's Apocalypses, demonstrates new syntax for things like attributes and method calls, with a very pleasantly surprising conclusion! Later this week, tune in again as Simon Cozens returns from the deepest recesses of the perl5-porters mailing lists, bearing tales of (un)safe signals, negative shifting, and random numbers. Until then, fearless Perl hackers! We return you to your regularly scheduled E-mail. SDE ============================================================ Sponsored by NuSphere NuSphere MySQL Advantage delivers Enhanced MySQL to run your business. Row-level locking, ACID transactions, crash recovery and more are supplied by Gemini, a new MySQL table type that provides the performance, scalability and reliability required by the most demanding applications. Get the NuSphere MySQL Advantage today. Visit http://www.nusphere.com/op ============================================================ Exegesis 2 http://www.perl.com/pub/2001/05/08/exegesis2.html?wwwrrr_20010515.txt Having trouble visualizing how the approved RFCs for Perl 6 will translate into actual Perl code? Damian Conway provides an exegesis to Larry Wall's Apocalypse 2 and reveals what the code will look like. Off The Wall: Larry Wall: Apocalypse Two http://www.perl.com/pub/2001/05/03/wall.html?wwwrrr_20010515.txt Larry Wall produces the next episode in his series of "Apocalypses": glimpses into the design of Perl 6. This week, he explains how Perl 6 will differ from Perl 5 in terms of chapter 2 of the Camel Book: fundamental data types, variables and the context and scoping of the language. Reversing Regular Expressions http://www.perl.com/pub/2001/05/01/expressions.html?wwwrrr_20010515.txt There are some cases where searching a regular expression is faster backwards. Pete Sergeant introduces us to sexegers, regular expressions (regexes) operating in reverse. Quick Start Guide with SOAP Part Two http://www.perl.com/pub/2001/04/24/soap.html?wwwrrr_20010515.txt Paul Kulchenko continues his SOAP::Lite guide and shows how to build more complex SOAP servers. ============================================================ Sponsored by Thawte ** FREE Apache SSL Guide from Thawte ** Planning Web Server Security? Find out how to implement SSL! Get the free Thawte Apache SSL Guide and find the answers to all your Apache SSL security issues and more at: http://www.thawte.com/ucgi/gothawte.cgi?a=n122531080018000 ============================================================ Sister Sites: --------------------------------- O'Reilly Network http://www.oreillynet.com The Source for Open and Emerging Technologies XML.com http://xml.com/ XML from the inside out. ONLamp.com http://onlamp.com O'Reilly Network's High Performance Web Development site O'Reilly and Associates http://www.oreilly.com/ O'Reilly computer books, software and online publishing. ----------------------------------------------------------------- If you want to cancel a subscription to this newsletter, send an email to perl-unsubscribe@paprika.oreillynet.com NOTE: Please make certain to unsubscribe from the email address at which you receive this message For non-automated human help email elists-admin@oreillynet.com ----------------------------------------------------------------- -- For information on unsubscribing from this list, please visit http://rochester.pm.org From bmathis at directedge.com Thu May 24 11:26:04 2001 From: bmathis at directedge.com (Brian Mathis) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:19:28 2004 Subject: [roch-pm] Open Source News Ticker (fwd) Message-ID: Some possibly interesting stuff from ORA. -- Brian Mathis Direct Edge http://www.directedge.com ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 16:46:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Denise Olliffe To: bmathis@directedge.com Subject: Open Source News Ticker Open Source is Here to Stay...Tim O'Reilly writes that this year's O'Reilly Open Source Convention and Perl Conference 5 is broader and deeper than ever before, with 250 sessions in 14 tracks that cover Linux, Apache, Perl, Python, PHP, MySQL, and more. Get the lowdown on the highlights at http://conferences.oreilly.com/oscon/tim_letter.html Tim O'Reilly Responds to Andrew Leonard on the Demise of Eazel...Andrew Leonard's gloomy comments on Salon about the demise of Eazel reflect many misconceptions and false assumptions, which Tim challenges. To learn more about the real business successes of the open source movement and why it has become a major force in enterprise computing, go to: http://www.oreillynet.com/cs/weblog/view/wlg/342 Long Live Perl...The June 2001 issue of Fast Company calls Perl one of the "best-of-the-best innovations - technologies that set the business agenda". It is listed as one of the ubiquitous technologies of the information age along with the bar code, the .signature file, the lab mouse, the catalytic converter and the Hertz #1 Club Gold program. For the full story, see, http://www.fastcompany.com/online/47/agendaitems.html Bioinformatics and Open Source Software? Read an interview with Cynthia Gibas and Per Jambeck, the authors of O'Reilly's recently released "Developing Bioinformatics Computer Skills," at http://www.oreilly.com/news/bioint_0501.html Discuss the latest issues in bioinformatics, including privacy, peer-to-peer computing, and open source software at the O'Reilly Open Source Convention. http://conferences.oreillynet.com/cs/os2001/pub/w/os2001/sessions_open.html "Fuel the Open Source Alternative" and share with your group these news updates about the O'Reilly Open Source Convention. July 23-27, 2001, Sheraton San Diego Hotel in San Diego, California http://conferences.oreilly.com/oscon/ Register by June 22, 2001, and take advantage of the User Group discount of 20 % off "Early Bird" pricing for conference sessions and tutorials. After June 22nd, discount will be applied to standard pricing. Register Online http://conferences.oreillynet.com/cs/os2001/pub/10/register.html Or by Phone: 800-998-9938 With Code DSUG. -- Denise -- For information on unsubscribing from this list, please visit http://rochester.pm.org From bmathis at directedge.com Tue May 29 22:21:12 2001 From: bmathis at directedge.com (Brian Mathis) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:19:28 2004 Subject: [roch-pm] [Fwd: Perl.com Newsletter: Taking Lessons From Traffic Lights] Message-ID: <3B146728.3050904@directedge.com> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Perl.com Newsletter: Taking Lessons From Traffic Lights Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 15:24:20 -0700 From: Perl Newsletter To: "Perl Newsletter" www.perl.com update -------------------------------------- The Email for www.perl.com Subscribers ============================================================ Sponsored by Macromedia, Creators of ColdFusion Problems meeting tight deadlines? ColdFusion 4.5, the leading Web app server, has the solution with an integrated suite of visual tools, powerful server technology, and an open language environment. Download your FREE evaluation copy today at http://www.oreillynet.com/nlr/network/04/allaire/coldfusion ============================================================ Hello, world. This is Simon Cozens, www.perl.com managing editor, stepping in to write the perl.com newsletter this week. It's been quite a busy week for Perl, so without further ado, let's see what's been happening. * Perl at large. A few weeks ago, I reported on the establishment of a mailing list for Perl beginners - beginners@perl.org. From what I hear, it's been extremely successful, with 1300 messages coming in last month. We'll be bringing you a lot more about the beginners list in our featured article next week. This week, Casey West, the founder of the list, and Ask Bjorn Hansen, the curator of perl.org, announced a "daily tips" mailing list. If you subscribe to this list by sending an email to daily-tips-subscribe@perl.org, you'll receive a handy Perl programming tip in your inbox every day. They've also been working on a web site for tutorials and beginners' articles about Perl: http://learn.perl.org/ Currently, there's not much there, other than the FAQ for the mailing list: http://learn.perl.org/beginners-faq But they're looking for people to add content. If you think you could contribute a tutorial or guidance, why not subscribe to their workers mailing list - send mail to beginners-workers@perl.org - and help out? As announced in the Perl Journal, the 2nd Annual Perl Poetry Contest is under way. As before, there are four major categories: "porting" a favourite poem or song lyric to Perl; writing a Perl program which performs a useful task; writing a poetry-writing program (which may itself be a poem); a haiku, (5-7-5) tanka (5-7-5-7-7) or limerick relating to Perl. The judge this year is Kevin Meltzer, and entries are invited by July the 1st. Full instructions for submitting entries will appear shortly on http://www.tpj.com/ Finally, our resident Perl historian, Elaine Ashton, noticed that Fast Company Magazine (http://www.fastcompany.com) has declared Perl one of the "best-of-the-best" innovations of the information age. She's scanned the relevant page and put it on http://history.perl.org/misc/overthehump.html * What's new on www.perl.com? As well as being a busy week for Perl, it's been a busy week for us here at perl.com. Firstly, I've temporarily handed over the reins of the perl5-porters summaries to the ever energetic Leon Brocard, who's given us this week's summary. If you want to know more about the proposed Perl Legal FAQ, internationalising the Perl interpreter, resuscitation attempts on pseudohashes and much more, get yourself over to http://www.perl.com/pub/2001/05/p5pdigest/THISWEEK-20010520.html The Perl 6 Summaries live! Bryan Warnock has done a sterling job catching up on the past three weeks worth of activity on the various perl6-* lists. This is particularly impressive since there was so much going on - there have been around 800 messages so far this month, mainly in response to Larry and Damian's articles on the design of Perl 6. http://www.perl.com/pub/2001/05/p6pdigest/THISWEEK-20010501.html Our feature article this week comes from Michael Schwern, Perl's very own Kwalitee Assurance man. One of the ideas tossed around for Perl 6 has been to rename the method call operator ("->") to ".". Of course, this causes a problem - what do we now call string concatenation? While watching perl6-language tie itself in all sorts of knots trying to come up with a substitute, Michael stepped back and had a long think about language design. His article details his train of thought as he examines how people think about signs and semantics in general and the semantics of computer languages in particular, all told through the metaphor of traffic lights. It's a very thoughtful and ingenious piece, which I would consider essential reading for anyone who wants to be involved in the work of helping to design Perl 6. You can find it at: http://www.perl.com/pub/2001/05/22/trafficlights.html My predecessor Mark-Jason Dominus has written an article for one of our sister publications, the O'Reilly Network, in his popular "Red Flags and Program Repair Shop" series. Mark will give a tutorial on that very topic at this year's Perl Conference. His article is at: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/network/2001/05/18/perl_redflags.html He's also released a preview of the tutorial on his web site, at: http://perl.plover.com/yak/flags/preview/ You can also find out more details about the seven (yes, seven!) talks he'll be giving at the Perl Conference from: http://perl.plover.com/yak/tpc2001.html And with that, I should get back to preparing my talks for the Perl Conference! SC ============================================================ The 3rd O'Reilly Open Source Convention, July 23-27, 2001 Sheraton San Diego Hotel and Marina Fueling the Open Source Alternative The Perl Conference 5, XTech2001 Conference on XML (in association with GCA), the 8th Tcl/Tk Conference, the 1st Conference on PHP - 14 tracks keep you informed on the latest innovations - Register by June 22 and Save http://conferences.oreilly.com/oscon/ ============================================================ Taking Lessons From Traffic Lights http://www.perl.com/pub/2001/05/22/trafficlights.html?wwwrrr_20010522.txt Michael Schwern examines traffic lights and shows what lessons applied to the development of Perl 6. Exegesis 2 http://www.perl.com/pub/2001/05/08/exegesis2.html?wwwrrr_20010522.txt Having trouble visualizing how the approved RFC's for Perl 6 will translate into actual Perl code? Damian Conway provides an exegesis to Larry Wall's Apocalypse 2 and reveals what the code will look like. Off The Wall: Larry Wall: Apocalypse Two http://www.perl.com/pub/2001/05/03/wall.html?wwwrrr_20010522.txt Larry Wall produces the next episode in his series of "Apocalypses": glimpses into the design of Perl 6. This week, he explains how Perl 6 will differ from Perl 5 in terms of chapter 2 of the Camel Book: fundamental data types, variables and the context and scoping of the language. Reversing Regular Expressions http://www.perl.com/pub/2001/05/01/expressions.html?wwwrrr_20010522.txt There are some cases where searching a regular expression is faster backwards. Pete Sergeant introduces us to sexegers, regular expressions (regexes) operating in reverse. ============================================================ Sponsored by Thawte ** FREE Apache SSL Guide from Thawte ** Planning Web Server Security? Find out how to implement SSL! Get the free Thawte Apache SSL Guide and find the answers to all your Apache SSL security issues and more at: http://www.thawte.com/ucgi/gothawte.cgi?a=n122531080018000 ============================================================ Sister Sites: --------------------------------- O'Reilly Network http://www.oreillynet.com The Source for Open and Emerging Technologies XML.com http://xml.com/ XML from the inside out. ONLamp.com http://onlamp.com O'Reilly Network's High Performance Web Development site O'Reilly and Associates http://www.oreilly.com/ O'Reilly computer books, software and online publishing. ----------------------------------------------------------------- If you want to cancel a subscription to this newsletter, send an email to perl-unsubscribe@paprika.oreillynet.com NOTE: Please make certain to unsubscribe from the email address at which you receive this message For non-automated human help email elists-admin@oreillynet.com ----------------------------------------------------------------- -- Brian Mathis Direct Edge http://www.directedge.com -- For information on unsubscribing from this list, please visit http://rochester.pm.org From bmathis at directedge.com Thu May 31 09:30:08 2001 From: bmathis at directedge.com (Brian Mathis) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:19:28 2004 Subject: [roch-pm] Perl.com Newsletter: Turning the Tides on Perl's Attitude Toward Beginners (fwd) Message-ID: -- Brian Mathis Direct Edge http://www.directedge.com ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 15:51:34 -0700 From: Perl Newsletter To: Perl Newsletter Subject: Perl.com Newsletter: Turning the Tides on Perl's Attitude Toward Beginners www.perl.com update -------------------------------------- The Email for www.perl.com Subscribers ============================================================ Sponsored by Macromedia, Creators of ColdFusion Problems meeting tight deadlines? ColdFusion 4.5, the leading Web app server, has the solution with an integrated suite of visual tools, powerful server technology, and an open language environment. Download your FREE evaluation copy today at http://www.oreillynet.com/nlr/network/04/allaire/coldfusion ============================================================ Hello, world! I hope you all took full advantage of the long weekend. I certainly did. This is Simon Cozens, managing editor of Perl.com, bringing you the latest goings on from the world of Perl. * Perl at large. The big news this week is that Brian Ingerson has released the latest version of Inline, version 0.40. Inline is an absolutely fantastic module which makes it very, very simple to interface C code with your Perl programs. The name "Inline" comes from the way the code is fed to the Inline module as strings in your Perl program: You say something like use Inline C => "int add(int x, int y) { return x + y; }" and Inline goes away and parses the C code, determines how it should look as a Perl function, creates the magic linkage between C and Perl, compiles it, and caches the compiled copy. The net result is that you now have a new Perl subroutine, 'add', which takes two arguments and adds them together. This release introduces a few interesting new features, the most important is a replacement for ExtUtils::MakeMaker that allows you to easily create Inline modules for distribution to CPAN. It also creates more user-friendly object names: Older versions would create files with an MD5 sum in the name (Foo_C_f6bc0ccd73ffbfb789272809248cfd4d.so and the like), but the new version calls it simply "Foo.so", with an information file that holds all other details Inline needs to know about. Brian's also explained to perl5-porters what he's planning on doing for version 0.50: When Inline::MakeMaker is used by an extension module author, the 'make dist' rule will be overridden to tell Inline to set things up as if it were just a regular XS module. For 'Foo.pm', the generated 'Foo.xs' and friends will be packaged, so it will look like a normal XS-based distribution. Almost... There is still a call to 'use Inline' that must be dealt with. The only thing that needs to result is DynaLoader loading the correct object. This is easily less than 50 lines of code. So we need a little runtime stub of 'Inline.pm' to be loaded. (By the way, Inline can already deterministically tell it is being invoked by a preinstalled module, and in that case it never rebuilds.) So how to distribute the stub to everyone? The answer lies in having the generated 'Makefile.PL' contain an embedded version of the Inline stub that it can install or upgrade. So that means that every Inline-based module like 'Foo.pm' will contain a little piece of Inline to help it get going (if there isn't one installed already). Yet another Perl Conference (http://yapc.org/America) is now only two weeks away, and The O'Reilly Perl Conference (http://conferences.oreilly.com/perl5) is coming soon. Both look to have very exciting schedules, so make sure you're booked to go. If you're at The O'Reilly Perl Conference, I'll see you there. * What's new on Perl.com? Once again, Leon Brocard's produced this week's Perl 5 Porters summary, bringing us the latest news on Artur Bergman's 'iThread' module, the Perl bugs database: http://www.perl.com/pub/2001/05/p5pdigest/THISWEEK-20010527.html Bryan Warnock has done the same job for the Perl 6 mailing lists. This week saw the release of another design document, the Assembly language standard, as well as technical discussion about the format and specifications of the virtual machine (and some surprising news about its suggested name). Discussions on the language front seemed to be quieter than before, with the previous thread on properties being finished off and an interesting question about array slice syntax. Read all this and more at: http://www.perl.com/pub/2001/05/p6pdigest/THISWEEK-20010526.html In last week's newsletter, I reported on Casey West's work with the beginner's mailing list and resources. In this week's feature article, Casey explains why he felt the mailing list was needed, where it's going and how it's being received. He also offers some advice for all of us to help conquer the elitism he feels has saturated the Perl community and live up to Larry's wish: "I want to see people using Perl to glue things together creatively, not just technically but also socially. ... If someone stinks, view it as a reason to help them, not a reason to avoid them." http://www.perl.com/pub/2001/05/29/tides.html Enjoy! SC ============================================================ The 3rd O'Reilly Open Source Convention, July 23-27, 2001 Sheraton San Diego Hotel and Marina Fueling the Open Source Alternative The Perl Conference 5, XTech2001 Conference on XML (in association with GCA), the 8th Tcl/Tk Conference, the 1st Conference on PHP - 14 tracks keep you informed on the latest innovations - Register by June 22 and Save http://conferences.oreilly.com/oscon/ ============================================================ Turning the Tides on Perl's Attitude Toward Beginners http://www.perl.com/pub/2001/05/29/tides.html?wwwrrr_20010529.txt Casey West is taking a stand against elitism in the Perl community and seems to be making progress. He has launched several new services for the Perl beginner that are being enthusiastically received. Taking Lessons From Traffic Lights http://www.perl.com/pub/2001/05/22/trafficlights.html?wwwrrr_20010529.txt Michael Schwern examines traffic lights and shows what lessons applied to the development of Perl 6. Exegesis 2 http://www.perl.com/pub/2001/05/08/exegesis2.html?wwwrrr_20010529.txt Having trouble visualizing how the approved RFC's for Perl 6 will translate into actual Perl code? Damian Conway provides and exegesis to Larry Wall's Apocalypse 2 and reveals what the code will look like. Off The Wall: Larry Wall: Apocalypse Two http://www.perl.com/pub/2001/05/03/wall.html?wwwrrr_20010529.txt Larry Wall produces the next episode in his series of "Apocalypses": glimpses into the design of Perl 6. This week, he explains how Perl 6 will differ from Perl 5 in terms of chapter 2 of the Camel Book: fundamental data types, variables and the context and scoping of the language. ============================================================ Sponsored by Thawte ** FREE Apache SSL Guide from Thawte ** Planning Web Server Security? Find out how to implement SSL! Get the free Thawte Apache SSL Guide and find the answers to all your Apache SSL security issues and more at: http://www.thawte.com/ucgi/gothawte.cgi?a=n122531080018000 ============================================================ Sister Sites: --------------------------------- O'Reilly Network http://www.oreillynet.com The Source for Open and Emerging Technologies XML.com http://xml.com/ XML from the inside out. ONLamp.com http://onlamp.com O'Reilly Network's High Performance Web Development site O'Reilly and Associates http://www.oreilly.com/ O'Reilly computer books, software and online publishing. -- For information on unsubscribing from this list, please visit http://rochester.pm.org