[roch-pm] [Fwd: www.perl.com: Beginners Intro to Perl - Part 2]
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Hello, perl.com subscribers.
Perl 5.7 is imminent; it will be the unstable development release that
will eventually lead up to Perl 5.8. Trial releases are out now. (If
you don't know where to find them, you probably shouldn't be using
The only other thing that I noticed happening this week was that
there was some discussion about my (extremely negative) critique of
the Perl 6 RFC process. It generated some light, and unfortunately
rather more heat. I got a lot of mail from people who said that they
had noticed the same things but weren't sure how to say them, and some
mail from people who felt that I exaggerated the problems. The public
response (on the perl6-meta mailing list) was more generally negative.
All together, the article did not really accomplish what I had hoped.
I wanted people to discuss the problems of the RFC process in more
detail. But this didn't really happen---people mostly seemed
interested in refuting my article. It doesn't bother me that people
thought that parts of my article were wrong or misguided, but I wish
that they had taken some time to try to work out the problems that
were pointed out by the parts they *didn't* think were wrong or
misguided. Even people who had agreed with me in private took the
opportunity to say in public how wrong they thought I was, and left
it at that.
Not to say that there wasn't worthwhile discussion. There was some.
One of the brightest spots was Jarkko Hietaniemi's response. Jarkko
graciously allowed us to put his reply on www.perl.com; you can find
it at http://www.perl.com/pub/2000/11/jarkko.html
Even I felt better after reading it. (We have also provided links to
the transcript of the talk Larry recently gave about Perl 6 at the
Atlanta Linux Showcase.)
One person on the perl6-meta mailing list pointed out that you would
not see a criticism of Java on the front page of sun.com. He's
probably right---and I would like to think that that is one of the
great advantages that Perl has over Java.
Another interesting response was from someone who suggested that Perl
community leaders should try to use their influence to get O'Reilly
to pull the article off the web site. I was glad to see that the
response to this suggestion was so immediately negative.
* What's New on the Site?
Doug Sheppard continues his series of articles that explain Perl for
beginners. This week Doug discusses "The Other Two R's"---that is,
Reading and Riting. The new article is available at:
In case you missed it, the first article in this series is still at:
Thank you all. I will be in touch again next week.
Beginner's Introduction to Perl - Part 2
The second part in a new series that introduces Perl to people
who haven't programmed before. This week: Files and strings.
If you weren't sure how to get started with Perl, here's your
Article: Hold the Sackcloth and Ashes
Jarkko Hietaniemi, the Perl release manager, responds to the
critique of the Perl 6 RFC process.
Article: Critique of the Perl 6 RFC Process
Many of the suggestions put forward during the Perl 6
request-for-comment period revealed a lack of understanding of
the internals and limitations of the language. Mark-Jason
Dominus offers these criticisms in hopes that future RFCs may
avoid the same mistakes -- and the wasted effort.
Perl Conference: State of the Onion 2000
Larry Wall's annual report on the state of Perl, from TPC 4.0
(the fourth annual Perl conference) in Monterey in July 2000. In
this full length transcript, Larry talks about the need for
changes, which has led to the effort to rewrite the language in
Programming GNOME Applications with Perl
Simon Cozens shows us how to use Perl to develop applications for
Gnome, the Unix desktop environment.
Beginner's Introduction to Perl
The first part in a new series that introduces Perl to people who
haven't programmed before. If you weren't sure how to get
started with Perl, here's your chance!
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