From bmathis at directedge.com Fri Dec 1 13:43:18 2000 From: bmathis at directedge.com (Brian Mathis) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:19:25 2004 Subject: [roch-pm] [Fwd: www.perl.com: Programming Gnome Applications with Perl: Part 2] Message-ID: <3A27FF56.50407@directedge.com> -------- Original Message -------- From: "www.perl.com update" Subject: www.perl.com: Programming Gnome Applications with Perl: Part 2 Resent-From: perl-update@lists.oreillynet.com To: www.perl.com update -------------------------------------- The Email for www.perl.com Subscribers ============================================================ Sponsored by Allaire Corporation, Creators of ColdFusion Overwhelmed by demanding development deadlines? Ease your load with ColdFusion, the leading cross-platform Web app server that simplifies the building and deploying of scalable, secure Web sites. Download your FREE evaluation copy today at http://www.allaire.com/cfads/perl3 ============================================================ Hello, perl.com subscribers. No news is good news! This week that's true, anyway. Work on the Perl source filters feature has been going on unabated on p5p, and it is as high a signal-to-noise ratio as I can remember. It's a great time to be reading p5p, by the way. All sorts of interesting stuff. Simon Cozens promises me he will get me a summary of this week's activity by tomorrow. If you haven't seen it yet, IBM has an article up about debugging resources for Perl: http://www-4.ibm.com/software/developer/library/l-pl-deb.html And apparently the December issue of _Linux Journal_ carries a review of the New Camel book, but it's not online yet. *** What's New on the Site *** Simon has written a second article about programming with Gnome and Gtk for Perl. This week's article develops a cookbook application. There's lots of code, so be sure to have a look. http://www.perl.com/pub/2000/11/perl-gnome2.html Also, I got a lot of interesting responses to last week's "Program Repair Shop and Red Flags" article, so I decided to write them up. I also wrote up some responses to the previous 'red flags' article that had been lingering since June. I hope you'll find these notes interesting. http://www.perl.com/pub/2000/11/repair3x.html *** Coming up *** Doug Sheppard's fourth article for Perl beginners should be a long next week, and eventually we will have an article about POE. Thank you again. I will be in touch again next week. Mark Dominus Managing Editor *** Programming GNOME Applications with Perl - Part 2 http://www.perl.com/pub/2000/11/gnome2.html?wwwrrr_20001129.txt Simon Cozens shows us how to use Perl to develop applications for Gnome, the Unix desktop environment. Article: Red Flags Return http://www.perl.com/pub/2000/11/repair3x.html?wwwrrr_20001129.txt Readers pointed out errors amd suggested more improvements to the code in my 'Red Flags' articles. As usual, there's more than one way to do it! Beginner's Introduction to Perl - Part 3 http://www.perl.com/pub/2000/11/begperl3.html?wwwrrr_20001129.txt The third part in a new series that introduces Perl to people who haven't programmed before. This week: Patterns and pattern matching. If you weren't sure how to get started with Perl, here's your chance! Article: Program Repair Shop and Red Flags http://www.perl.com/pub/2000/11/repair3.html?wwwrrr_20001129.txt Once again I take a real program written by a genuine novice and show how to clean it up and make it better. This time we turn a perl4 library into a Perl 5 object-oriented module. I show how to recognize some "red flags" that are early warning signs that you might be doing some of the same things wrong in your own programs. Article: Hold the Sackcloth and Ashes http://www.perl.com/pub/2000/11/jarkko.html?wwwrrr_20001129.txt Jarkko Hietaniemi, the Perl release manager, responds to the critique of the Perl 6 RFC process. Article: Critique of the Perl 6 RFC Process http://www.perl.com/pub/2000/11/perl6rfc.html?wwwrrr_20001129.txt Many of the suggestions put forward during the Perl 6 request-for-comment period revealed a lack of understanding of the internals and limitations of the language. Mark-Jason Dominus offers these criticisms in hopes that future RFCs may avoid the same mistakes -- and the wasted effort. Sister Sites: --------------------------------- O'Reilly Network http://www.oreillynet.com The Source for Open and Emerging Technologies XML.com http://xml.com/ XML from the inside out. 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Next time you're out this way, drop me a note and we can get together. - Robert Rhode -- Brian Mathis Direct Edge http://www.directedge.com -- For information on unsubscribing from this list, please visit http://rochester.pm.org From anthony.whyte at kodak.com Thu Dec 7 08:12:38 2000 From: anthony.whyte at kodak.com (Tony Whyte) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:19:25 2004 Subject: [roch-pm] Tonic tonight ? References: <200011152307.SAA18641@roundtable.cif.rochester.edu> <3A164946.ED62CAAF@directedge.com> Message-ID: <3A2F9AD6.19A0C6A5@kodak.com> Fellow fun ballers, Weather permitting, is anyone doing the happy hour at Tonic tonight. ? -- For information on unsubscribing from this list, please visit http://rochester.pm.org From webmaster at rochester.rr.com Fri Dec 8 07:49:19 2000 From: webmaster at rochester.rr.com (Justin C. Sherrill) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:19:25 2004 Subject: [roch-pm] Tonic tonight ? In-Reply-To: <3A2F9AD6.19A0C6A5@kodak.com> Message-ID: > > Fellow fun ballers, > > Weather permitting, is anyone doing the happy hour at Tonic tonight. ? Not me, though I went to Digital Rochester last time and it was rather nice, meeting all those folks. The pizza was pretty bad, though, so be warned. Justin -- For information on unsubscribing from this list, please visit http://rochester.pm.org From bmathis at directedge.com Fri Dec 8 14:14:04 2000 From: bmathis at directedge.com (Brian Mathis) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:19:25 2004 Subject: [roch-pm] [Fwd: www.perl.com: Beginners Intro to Perl - Part 4] Message-ID: <3A31410C.8050001@directedge.com> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: www.perl.com: Beginners Intro to Perl - Part 4 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 04:08:30 -0800 Resent-From: perl-update@lists.oreillynet.com Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 12:20:03 -0800 From: "www.perl.com update" To: www.perl.com update -------------------------------------- The Email for www.perl.com Subscribers ============================================================ Sponsored by Allaire Register for a FREE Allaire ColdFusion Seminar! Discover why ColdFusion is the industry's Number One cross- platform Web application server, giving you the power to develop and deliver scalable Web apps quickly and easily. You could also win free ColdFusion products! Register now at www.allaire.com/cfcyber/Perl3 ============================================================ Hello, perl.com subscribers. Just a short note today, because I'm in Boulder, Colorado, teaching a class. This week the new item on the site is part four of Doug Sheppard's series on perl for beginning programmers. Simon Cozens has also contributed a summary of the week's activity on P5P. If you haven't see them already, we also have some new items borrowed from elsewhere. In the 'Perl Success Stories' department, we have a story about how Logicept Corporation implemented the backend of seniors.com using Perl and Mason. Over on XML.com is an article on simple XML Validation with Perl, by Kip Hampton. And on oreilly.com is a note from Nat Torkington wrapping up this year's 'University of Perl' tour, in which O'Reilly sent several instructors to give classes in four cities. All these articles are linked from http://www.perl.com/. Thank you. I will be in touch again next week. Mark Dominus Managing Editor ============================================================ Sponsored by eLance Looking for Perl gurus? Need to get some slick programming done? Have a QA/ Beta testing project? Wish you had some designers working for you? Simply post your project for free on eLance.com and thousands of firms and qualified professionals will bid to do your project. Check it out! http://www.elance.com/Perl ============================================================ Article: Beginners Intro to Perl - Part 4 http://www.perl.com/pub/2000/12/begperl4.html?wwwrrr_20001206.txt Doug Sheppard teaches us CGI programming in part four of his series on beginning Perl. Article: Red Flags Return http://www.perl.com/pub/2000/11/repair3x.html?wwwrrr_20001206.txt Readers pointed out errors amd suggested more improvements to the code in my 'Red Flags' articles. As usual, there's more than one way to do it! Programming GNOME Applications with Perl - Part 2 http://www.perl.com/pub/2000/11/gnome2.html?wwwrrr_20001206.txt Simon Cozens shows us how to use Perl to develop applications for Gnome, the Unix desktop environment. Article: Program Repair Shop and Red Flags http://www.perl.com/pub/2000/11/repair3.html?wwwrrr_20001206.txt Once again I take a real program written by a genuine novice and show how to clean it up and make it better. This time we turn a perl4 library into a Perl 5 object-oriented module. I show how to recognize some "red flags" that are early warning signs that you might be doing some of the same things wrong in your own programs. Sister Sites: --------------------------------- O'Reilly Network http://www.oreillynet.com The Source for Open and Emerging Technologies XML.com http://xml.com/ XML from the inside out. 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NOTE: Please make certain to unsubscribe from the email address at which you receive this message For non-automated human help email onperl@oreillynet.com ----------------------------------------------------------------- -- Brian Mathis Direct Edge http://www.directedge.com -- For information on unsubscribing from this list, please visit http://rochester.pm.org From bmathis at directedge.com Mon Dec 11 15:45:37 2000 From: bmathis at directedge.com (Brian Mathis) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:19:25 2004 Subject: [roch-pm] Dinner this week Message-ID: <3A354B01.3040907@directedge.com> Hello everyone, This is a reminder that we will be having a holiday dinner gathering this Thursday, December 14th at 7:00pm at the Empire Brewing Company. If you are planning on going, please respond to me directly so I can get a head count. Please respond by Wednesday, December 13th. If you do not respond, we won't have enough space for everyone. Thanks, looking forward to seeing everyone. -- Brian Mathis Direct Edge http://www.directedge.com -- For information on unsubscribing from this list, please visit http://rochester.pm.org From bmathis at directedge.com Wed Dec 13 00:00:40 2000 From: bmathis at directedge.com (Brian Mathis) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:19:25 2004 Subject: [roch-pm] [Fwd: O'Reilly Peer-to-Peer Conference Information] Message-ID: <3A371088.4080901@directedge.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- For anyone interested... - -------- Original Message -------- Subject: O'Reilly Peer-to-Peer Conference Information Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 16:16:35 -0800 (PST) From: Denise Olliffe To: bmathis@directedge.com A while ago, I sent an email alerting you that O'Reilly would be hosting a conference on Peer-to-Peer technologies. Here is information I'm sure you've been waiting for... Announcing the O'Reilly Peer-to-Peer Conference February 14-16, 2001 Westin St. Francis Hotel, San Francisco, California The cluster of technologies we're now calling peer-to-peer is a melting pot of ideas that's about to boil over. The O'Reilly P2P Conference, the first and most important conference on P2P, will provide a unique opportunity for developers, entrepreneurs, investors, and those making technology-buying decisions to find out what's really going on. This conference explores the business and technical questions raised by the most revolutionary new Internet applications since the Web. Napster,Gnutella, Freenet, Infrasearch, SETI@Home, Popular Power, Groove, Jabber,UDDI, you name it, they'll all be there under one roof, providing a unique opportunity to meet and learn from the technology and business innovators who are shaping the next generation of pervasive technologies. 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For more details or brochures, please contact Denise Olliffe, deniseo@oreilly.com or 707-829-0515 ext 339. ********************************************************************** - -- Brian Mathis Direct Edge http://www.directedge.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.5.8 iQCVAwUBOjcQf5wT6UbDtVwVAQHy4gP/Txf9MuCLYac/Jm8J4jNv99Q8mRzFlOjz wIlU0/1aR371+o4EM+BWk5ai1UYONPXz48rJwimZJb/RG+3tRivOLm/yuBQk8TtQ R289oVktWEvdzeLHwtEkVj7Nqq0ZC2y+EB1Aj7rPQFyQFu67+nARFukdV1wfFXbf gzMPeIqkcoQ= =NdUI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- For information on unsubscribing from this list, please visit http://rochester.pm.org From bmathis at directedge.com Thu Dec 14 14:55:05 2000 From: bmathis at directedge.com (Brian Mathis) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:19:25 2004 Subject: [roch-pm] [Fwd: www.perl.com: Why I Hate Advocacy] Message-ID: <3A3933A9.1000208@directedge.com> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: www.perl.com: Why I Hate Advocacy Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 02:15:35 -0800 Resent-From: perl-update@lists.oreillynet.com Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:33:13 -0800 From: "www.perl.com update" To: www.perl.com update -------------------------------------- The Email for www.perl.com Subscribers ============================================================ Sponsored by Allaire Register for a FREE Allaire ColdFusion Seminar! Learn firsthand how the industry?s leading cross-platform Web application server offers developers the fastest, easiest way to build and deploy scalable, secure Web apps and integrate them with critical Internet technologies. You could also win FREE ColdFusion products! Reserve now at http://www.allaire.com/cfseminar/perl1 ============================================================ Hello, perl.com subscribers. * Perl News Big news from perl5-porters this week. Unicode support is almost complete! There were two big missing pieces. One was the I/O system. In Perl 5.6.0 it was not possible to read in a file in a foreign encoding, do operations on it, and write it back out. Thanks to Nick Ing-Simmons' excellent work on the I/O filter code, this all now works as it should. You can say (for example) open $fh, ">:utf8", $filename ; and data will be written to the file in an UTF8 encoding, converted automatically as necessary. Similarly binmode $fh, ":bytes"; changes the filehandle so that it no longer writes data in a UTF8 encoding. The other missing part was that hash keys couldn't be UTF8. The problem was that because they're not always full SVs, there's nowhere to store the information about whether a given hash key is a UTF8 string or a plain string. Inaba Hiroto contributed a series of patches to fix that, storing UTF8-ness information in the sign bit of the key length structure. Thank you very much, Hiroto! The final missing piece is full UTF8 support in regexes. Jarkko Hietaniemi is working on that now and has it mostly complete. But there's more. For years, people have been puzzled and annoyed by the apparently non-deterministic order in which perl calls the ->DESTROY method on destroyed objects. Ilya Zakharevich contributed a dismayingly simple patch that seems to fix the problem. Perl 5.6.1 is sure to be a big improvement over 5.6.0, thanks in no small part to the efforts of Jarkko, the current pumpking. * Version Trivia But when 5.6.1 is released, will it be stable? Rich Lafferty reminded me of the Secret to Perl Version Stability: If the version number has exactly three prime factors, Perl is stable. For example: 4.036: 4036 = 2 * 2 * 1009 is stable 5.004_05: 500405 = 5 * 41 * 2441 is stable 5.005_03: 500503 = 23 * 47 * 463 is stable Clearly, 5.6.0 was doomed to be unstable. But 561 = 3 * 11 * 17, so the outlook is good. I don't know just how 5.001m fits into this theory, so please don't ask. * New on the Site In addition to Simon Cozens' usual weekly report in which you can read more about the UTF8 and DESTROY stuff, we have a surprise article. I was in Boulder last week and I told Nat Torkington that I wanted to do a talk at the next Perl conference titled 'Why I Hate Advocacy'. I have been thinking about that for several months. Nat seemed to like the idea, but over the following week all the ideas came together for me and I wrote it up for the web site. So I probably won't give the talk, but we do have an article about it. * Coming up Doug Sheppard will return next week with Part 5 of his series on Perl for beginners. Also, the long-promised POE article. (All the delay is on my end.) Thank you all. I will be in touch again next week. Mark Dominus Managing Editor ============================================================ Sponsored by eLance Looking for Perl gurus? Need to get some slick programming done? Have a QA/ Beta testing project? Wish you had some designers working for you? Simply post your project for free on eLance.com and thousands of firms and qualified professionals will bid to do your project. Check it out! http://www.elance.com/Perl ============================================================ Article: Why I Hate Advocacy http://www.perl.com/pub/2000/12/advocacy.html?wwwrrr_20001213.txt Are you an effective Perl advocate? Mark Dominus explains why you might be advocating Perl the wrong way. Article: Beginners Intro to Perl - Part 4 http://www.perl.com/pub/2000/12/begperl4.html?wwwrrr_20001213.txt Doug Sheppard teaches us CGI programming in part four of his series on beginning Perl. Article: Red Flags Return http://www.perl.com/pub/2000/11/repair3x.html?wwwrrr_20001213.txt Readers pointed out errors and suggested more improvements to the code in my 'Red Flags' articles. As usual, there's more than one way to do it! Programming GNOME Applications with Perl - Part 2 http://www.perl.com/pub/2000/11/gnome2.html?wwwrrr_20001213.txt Simon Cozens shows us how to use Perl to develop applications for Gnome, the Unix desktop environment. Sister Sites: --------------------------------- O'Reilly Network http://www.oreillynet.com The Source for Open and Emerging Technologies XML.com http://xml.com/ XML from the inside out. O'Reilly and Associates http://www.oreilly.com/ O'Reilly computer books, software and online publishing. ----------------------------------------------------------------- If you want to cancel a subscription to this newsletter, please email the word "unsubscribe" in the SUBJECT of the message to perl-update-request@pepper.oreillynet.com. NOTE: Please make certain to unsubscribe from the email address at which you receive this message For non-automated human help email onperl@oreillynet.com ----------------------------------------------------------------- -- For information on unsubscribing from this list, please visit http://rochester.pm.org From webmaster at rochester.rr.com Mon Dec 18 09:42:00 2000 From: webmaster at rochester.rr.com (Justin C. Sherrill) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:19:25 2004 Subject: [roch-pm] LWP and http_referer In-Reply-To: <3A3933A9.1000208@directedge.com> Message-ID: Has anyone successfully faked the referring page for a LWP request object? I've tried setting the value in the header when creating an LWP::UserAgent, but no luck. I have a CGI I'm trying to steal results from, and it only returns results if it sees a particular address as the referrer. -- For information on unsubscribing from this list, please visit http://rochester.pm.org From bmathis at directedge.com Wed Dec 20 01:54:25 2000 From: bmathis at directedge.com (Brian Mathis) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:19:25 2004 Subject: [roch-pm] LWP and http_referer References: Message-ID: <3A4065B1.2030500@directedge.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Justin C. Sherrill wrote: > Has anyone successfully faked the referring page for a LWP request > object? I've tried setting the value in the header when creating an > LWP::UserAgent, but no luck. > > I have a CGI I'm trying to steal results from, and it only returns > results if it sees a particular address as the referrer. I can't remember if I've ever done this, but here's how I assume it would work: use LWP::UserAgent; use HTTP::Request; use HTTP::Headers; $h = new HTTP::Headers; &h->referer('http://rochester.pm.org'); $r = HTTP::Request->new( GET => 'http://www.blah.com/x.cgi', $h ); $ua = LWP::UserAgent->new; $response = $ua->request($r); - -- Brian Mathis Direct Edge http://www.directedge.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.5.8 iQCUAwUBOkBlrpwT6UbDtVwVAQH+9AP4m9qRtloHOQxi5W1BVnbDRiwBrAhl9oGq k0YsU51kNzEKJLL81NlwzsBPMhlaECzAJJzVCRU1QQppTNK8KCG59A8XJtSUILLL msaseY3GBH6rn0pwYeZE5RtG6F8bBiOa9JAVoGffXmdX/l6eGhbaDGR7GT6xZHJj RluB5hwkJg== =xpJR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- For information on unsubscribing from this list, please visit http://rochester.pm.org From webmaster at rochester.rr.com Wed Dec 20 09:13:16 2000 From: webmaster at rochester.rr.com (Justin C. Sherrill) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:19:25 2004 Subject: [roch-pm] LWP and http_referer In-Reply-To: <3A4065B1.2030500@directedge.com> Message-ID: > &h->referer('http://rochester.pm.org'); should be > $h->referer('http://rochester.pm.org'); but yeah, that works. I didn't realize you could build it up as a series of objects - I've just been lifting from lwpcook. Justin C. Sherrill Rochester Road Runner Webmaster http://www.rochester.rr.com/ "Think slow, type fats" -- For information on unsubscribing from this list, please visit http://rochester.pm.org From bmathis at directedge.com Thu Dec 21 09:17:09 2000 From: bmathis at directedge.com (Brian Mathis) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:19:25 2004 Subject: [roch-pm] [Fwd: www.perl.com: Beginners Intro to Perl - Part 5] Message-ID: <3A421EF5.2050803@directedge.com> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: www.perl.com: Beginners Intro to Perl - Part 5 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 03:32:29 -0800 Resent-From: perl-update@lists.oreillynet.com Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 11:08:31 -0800 From: "www.perl.com update" To: www.perl.com update -------------------------------------- The Email for www.perl.com Subscribers ============================================================ Sponsored by eLance Looking for Perl gurus? Need to get some slick programming done? Have a QA/ Beta testing project? Wish you had some designers working for you? Simply post your project for free on eLance.com and thousands of firms and qualified professionals will bid to do your project. Check it out! http://www.elance.com/Perl ============================================================ Hello, perl.com subscribers. * Perl News The first trial release of Perl 5.6.1 is out. 5.6.1 looks to be a big improvement over 5.6.0, due to the great work of the release manager, Jarkko Hietaniemi, and the cast of thousands. Interested persons can get a copy from http://public.activestate.com/gsar/perl-5.6.1-TRIAL1.patch.gz Do not get this unless you're interested in beta-testing an unfinished release, and DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES install this as the default version for your users. In other news, O'Reilly has announced the call for participation in their fifth annual Perl Conference, to be held this year in July in San Diego (not Monterey). If you are thinking of submitting a paper or giving a talk, the deadline for refereed papers is 20 January (four weeks from now), and 1 February for all other papers and proposals. Complete information is available at http://conferences.ora.com/perl5/ * New on the Site In part 5 of Doug Sheppard's series on Perl for beginning programmers, Doug gives a clear, simple account of object-oriented programming and why and how to use it in Perl. http://www.perl.com/pub/2000/12/begperl5.html Also, a surprise: Nat Torkington sent in a short piece about .NET, Microsoft's answer to Java. Nat has a nice summary of the ideas behind .NET and a list of references to related materials, some of which are directly concerned with Perl and others which are not. http://www.perl.com/pub/2000/12/net.html One thing Nat didn't mention in the article is that there's already an implementation of Python that compiles to Microsoft's IL (intermediate language) and which will run on any .NET platform. (This is analogous to running on the Java Virtual Machine.) I think this was the impetus for the article in the first place---one of Perl's strengths is that it runs on every important platform, and it would be a shame if Perl was left behind on this one. Thank you all. I will be in touch again next week. Mark Dominus Managing Editor *** Article: Beginners Intro to Perl - Part 5 http://www.perl.com/pub/2000/12/begperl5.html?wwwrrr_20001220.txt Doug Sheppard discusses object-oriented programming in part five of his series on beginning Perl. Article: What every Perl programmer needs to know about .NET http://www.perl.com/pub/2000/12/net.html?wwwrrr_20001220.txt A very brief explanation of Microsoft's .NET project and why it's interesting. Article: Why I Hate Advocacy http://www.perl.com/pub/2000/12/advocacy.html?wwwrrr_20001220.txt Are you an effective Perl advocate? Mark Dominus explains why you might be advocating Perl in the wrong way. Article: Red Flags Return http://www.perl.com/pub/2000/11/repair3x.html?wwwrrr_20001220.txt Readers pointed out errors and suggested more improvements to the code in my 'Red Flags' articles. As usual, there's more than one way to do it! Programming GNOME Applications with Perl - Part 2 http://www.perl.com/pub/2000/11/gnome2.html?wwwrrr_20001220.txt Simon Cozens shows us how to use Perl to develop applications for Gnome, the Unix desktop environment. Sister Sites: --------------------------------- O'Reilly Network http://www.oreillynet.com The Source for Open and Emerging Technologies XML.com http://xml.com/ XML from the inside out. O'Reilly and Associates http://www.oreilly.com/ O'Reilly computer books, software and online publishing. ----------------------------------------------------------------- If you want to cancel a subscription to this newsletter, please email the word "unsubscribe" in the SUBJECT of the message to perl-update-request@pepper.oreillynet.com. NOTE: Please make certain to unsubscribe from the email address at which you receive this message For non-automated human help email onperl@oreillynet.com ----------------------------------------------------------------- -- Brian Mathis Direct Edge http://www.directedge.com -- For information on unsubscribing from this list, please visit http://rochester.pm.org From bmathis at directedge.com Fri Dec 29 14:53:47 2000 From: bmathis at directedge.com (Brian Mathis) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:19:25 2004 Subject: [roch-pm] [Fwd: www.perl.com: New P5P Weekly Summary] Message-ID: <3A4CF9DB.9090705@directedge.com> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: www.perl.com: New P5P Weekly Summary Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 04:45:57 -0800 Resent-From: perl-update@lists.oreillynet.com Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 11:59:50 -0800 From: "www.perl.com update" To: www.perl.com update -------------------------------------- The Email for www.perl.com Subscribers Hello, perl.com subscribers. * Perl News The trials of the 5.6.1 pre-release are in progress. It seems to me that there are a lot fewer NOT OK messages than there usually are, but that might be due to the overlap with the holiday. Elaine Ashton has opened a new Perl site: http://lists.perl.org/. It has contact information and archive links for many Perl-related mailing lists. If your list isn't mentioned on the site, be sure to let Elaine know. * New on the Site There's no new feature article this week, but Simon Cozens has contributed an unusually interesting P5P weekly summary. Also, if you haven't seen it already, there are stories about NBCi's use of Perl to manage large amounts of data and about using Perl and XML to transfer data between relational databases. Coming up next year, the final part of Doug Sheppard's series about Perl for beginning programmers. Thank you all. Happy new year. Mark Dominus Managing Editor *** Article: Beginners Intro to Perl - Part 5 http://www.perl.com/pub/2000/12/begperl5.html?wwwrrr_20001220.txt Doug Sheppard discusses object-oriented programming in part five of his series on beginning Perl. Article: What every Perl programmer needs to know about .NET http://www.perl.com/pub/2000/12/net.html?wwwrrr_20001220.txt A very brief explanation of Microsoft's .NET project and why it's interesting. Article: Why I Hate Advocacy http://www.perl.com/pub/2000/12/advocacy.html?wwwrrr_20001220.txt Are you an effective Perl advocate? Mark Dominus explains why you might be advocating Perl the wrong way. Article: Red Flags Return http://www.perl.com/pub/2000/11/repair3x.html?wwwrrr_20001220.txt Readers pointed out errors and suggested more improvements to the code in my 'Red Flags' articles. As usual, there's more than one way to do it! Programming GNOME Applications with Perl - Part 2 http://www.perl.com/pub/2000/11/gnome2.html?wwwrrr_20001220.txt Simon Cozens shows us how to use Perl to develop applications for Gnome, the Unix desktop environment. Sister Sites: --------------------------------- O'Reilly Network http://www.oreillynet.com The Source for Open and Emerging Technologies XML.com http://xml.com/ XML from the inside out. O'Reilly and Associates http://www.oreilly.com/ O'Reilly computer books, software and online publishing. ----------------------------------------------------------------- If you want to cancel a subscription to this newsletter, please email the word "unsubscribe" in the SUBJECT of the message to perl-update-request@pepper.oreillynet.com. 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