From bmathis at directedge.com Thu Aug 3 10:19:39 2000 From: bmathis at directedge.com (Brian Mathis) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:19:21 2004 Subject: [rochester-pm-list] www.perl.com: Report on the Perl 6 Announcement (fwd) Message-ID: -- Brian Mathis Direct Edge http://www.directedge.com ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 09:52:54 -0700 From: www.perl.com update To: perl-update@pepper.oreillynet.com Subject: www.perl.com: Report on the Perl 6 Announcement Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 21:46:20 -0700 Resent-From: perl-update@lists.oreillynet.com www.perl.com update -------------------------------------- The Email for www.perl.com Subscribers ============================================================ Introducing The Fastest UNIX Server In The History Of Midrange. By IBM. 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Although there isn't too much new on the site this week, O'Reilly Network has an audio roundtable discussion with Mark Dominus (that's me) and brian d foy (founder of the Perl Mongers and Official Spokesperson for Perl 6) talking about the Perl 6 announcement: http://oreilly.linux.com/linux/rt/07282000/ If you're a luddite like me and you don't own a sound card, a transcript is available at: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/linux/rt/07282000/transcript.html For more Perl 6 News, keep reading. *** ANNOUNCEMENTS ANNOUNCEMENTS ANNOUNCEMENTS I got so interested in talking about Perl 6 in last week's newsletter that I didn't get to mention any of the other big news that's going on. A lot of other things happened at the Perl conference. The second annual White Camel awards were given out. The White Camels are awarded for nontechnical contributions to Perl. The winners were Elaine Ashton (for contributions to user groups), Chris Nandor (for contributions to advocacy) and Nat Torkington (for contributions to the Perl community). See http://www.perl.org/advocacy/white_camels.shtml for details about the winners and the generous sponsors of the awards. Also at the conference, Damian Conway ran the second annual Perl Haiku contest. For winners and winning entries, see http://www.plover.com/~mjd/perl/haiku2000.html More conference news: The third edition of _Programming Perl_ was unveiled. The second edition, you may recall, was several years old and only covered Perl 5.003. It also had many important omissions. The new Third Edition is fully up-to-date (it even includes some things that are in Perl 5.6 that were not yet complete when the book was being written) and is 70% larger. Yes, really! The second edition was 645 pages long; the third edition is 1104 pages. The book weighs about the same; they used much thinner paper. I am astounded. Not at the conference: Registration opened for YAPC::Europe, a small, cheap, community-organized Perl conference to be held in London from 21--24 September of this year. For details: http://www.yapc.org/Europe/ Issue 18 of the Perl Journal was shipped, with advance copies available at the conference. (I swiped mine from the vendor's room while nobody was looking.) The new issue has articles by Simon Cozens about his new Mail::Audit module and how he threw away all the utilities on his Linux system and replaced them with Perl versions. TPJ has also announced their fifth annual obfuscated Perl contest. If you don't subscribe, you can read the rules at http://www.itknowledge.com/tpj/obfusc-5.html The submission deadline is August 15, so get your submissions ready in a hurry. *** PERL 6 NEWS The noisy noisy Perl 6 bootstrap mailing list seems to be winding up its business. The Bootstrap list was formed in order to organize the other Perl 6 discussion lists, such as the list that would talk about Perl 6 internals, and it was noisy noisy because people couldn't wait and kept talking about Perl 6 internals on the bootstrap list. But the outcome seems good: Several new mailing lists for discussing Perl 6 internals, language design, and bug tracking and QA. Also, there's a new perl6-announce mailing list which will carry announcements of new lists, new working groups, and new position papers. Dan Sugalski was named to be head of the Internals working group. Nobody has been chosen to chair the Language group yet. Skud Robert may take over the position of project manager. More details are at: http://www.perl.org/perl6/ To subscribe to the announcements list, send a note to: perl6-announce-subscribe@perl.org *** COMING UP A TPC conference report (even if I have to write it myself!) Also the long-promised interview with Ilya Zakharevich. 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One reason to have formal RFCs > is to make it easier to track the subsequent discussion. In the past, > the p5p list would come to a halt for a week because everyone would be > discussing some controversial technical topic. Then a few months > later, the same topic would come up and p5p would come to a halt for > another week. The hope is that that won't happen any more, because > when the same topic comes up for the second time, people will just say > "Oh, that is RFC 2387 and we discussed it in October of 2003 and > decided it was a bad idea; here is a pointer to the archive of the > relevant messages." Having numbered RFCs enables this. > > Another reason for having formal proposals it to encourage people to > think through their ideas before spewing them into the mailing lists. > This seems to be working pretty well. There have been some rather > half-baked proposals, but the proposals that have been advanced > without RFC documents have been quarter-baked. The working group > chairpeople are supposed to be keeping a lid on quarter-baked > discussion but they haven't all been doing as good a job as they > might. > > The working group chairs are also supposed to be producing weekly > reports of the activities of their groups. Some of those have > started to crop up. > > In early September www.perl.com will have an overview of all this > activity, including a description of each working group and mailing > list, links to the summaries so far, and whatever other observations > I can come up with. > > In the meantime, the RFCs are available at: http://dev.perl.org/rfc/ > > Most of the mailing lists are archived at: http://www.mailing-lists.com/ > > Do a search for 'perl6' to find the Perl 6 lists. > > The perl6-announce mailing list may be of interest to casual > observers. It carries all new RFCs, and announcements of new mailing > lists. To subscribe, send mail to perl6-announce-subscribe@perl.org. > > WHAT'S NEW ON THE SITE > > I originally wanted to have lightning conference reports from TPC54, > with ten or fifteen people each contributing a short report, but that > fell through. Instead, Joe Kline was nice enough to write up a > detailed report from his notes. Joe's conference report: > > http://www.perl.com/pub/2000/08/tpc4.html > > I also got a little surprise. As you know, Joe Johnston has been > working on an interview of Ilya Zakharevich for some time. The > interview is coming out even more interesting than we expected, since > Ilya has a lot to say. But it is also much longer than we expected, > and it isn't finished yet. Joe surprised me by producing, apparently > from nowhere, an interview with Dr. Damian Conway. Dr. Conway is the > author of the excellent book _Object Oriented Perl_ and the three-time > winner of the annual Larry Wall award for Practical Utility, for > modules such as Parse::RecDescent, which writes parser programs in > Perl, and Coy, which turns all your error messages into haiku. > Joe's interview with Dr. Conway is available at: > > http://www.perl.com/pub/2000/08/conway.html > > COMING UP > > The Ilya interview, at last. A guide to the Perl 6 mailing lists and > RFCs. Walt Mankowski may divulge how Perl helped him win the office > football pool. > > Thank you all. I will be in touch again in two weeks. > > Mark Dominus > Managing Editor > > ============================================================ > ApacheCon Europe 2000, 23-25 October 2000 > Olympia Conference Centre, London, England. > > Join Apache's most respected technical experts, sought-after gurus > and advanced users to learn how you can get the most out of Apache. > Learn directly from those who helped build the software supporting > more than half of the web sites in the Internet today. > www.apachecon.com > > ============================================================ > > Report from the Perl Conference > > > Profiles: Damian Conway Talks Shop > http://www.perl.com/pub/2000/08/conway.html?wwwrrr_20000822.txt > The author of Object-Oriented Perl talks about the Dark Art of > programming, motivations for taking on projects, and the > "deification" of technology. > > > Article: Report from the Perl Conference > http://www.perl.com/pub/2000/08/tpc4.html?wwwrrr_20000822.txt > One conference-goer shares with us his thoughts, experiences and > impressions of YAPC 2000. > > Sister Sites: > --------------------------------- > O'Reilly Network > http://www.oreillynet.com > The Source for Open and Emerging Technologies > > XML.com > http://xml.com/ > XML from the inside out. > > O'Reilly and Associates > http://www.oreilly.com/ > O'Reilly computer books, software and online publishing. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > If you want to cancel a subscription to this newsletter, > please email the word "unsubscribe" in the SUBJECT of the message to > perl-update-request@pepper.oreillynet.com. > > NOTE: Please make certain to unsubscribe from the email > address at which you receive this message > > For non-automated human help email onperl@oreillynet.com > ----------------------------------------------------------------- -- Brian Mathis Direct Edge http://www.directedge.com -- For information on unsubscribing from this list, please visit http://rochester.pm.org