From westerman at purdue.edu Mon Sep 19 05:47:45 2011 From: westerman at purdue.edu (Rick Westerman) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 08:47:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Purdue-pm] Meeting this Tuesday, Sep 20th In-Reply-To: <716016931.128114.1316436239346.JavaMail.root@mailhub016.itcs.purdue.edu> Message-ID: <1013119422.128130.1316436465693.JavaMail.root@mailhub016.itcs.purdue.edu> Can another month have slipped by so quickly? Must have done so because my calendar is showing that we have a meeting tomorrow, Sep. 20th, in WSLR 116. 11:30-noon, social time, noon onward the talks. At the moment we only have myself blathering on about CGI::Table plus using gzip, etc. on the command line but I suspect that we will get some last minute presentations as well. -- Rick Westerman westerman at purdue.edu Bioinformatics specialist at the Genomics Facility. Phone: (765) 494-0505 FAX: (765) 496-7255 Department of Horticulture and Landscape Architecture 625 Agriculture Mall Drive West Lafayette, IN 47907-2010 Physically located in room S049, WSLR building From gizmo at purdue.edu Mon Sep 19 05:58:47 2011 From: gizmo at purdue.edu (Joe Kline) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 08:58:47 -0400 Subject: [Purdue-pm] Meeting this Tuesday, Sep 20th In-Reply-To: <1013119422.128130.1316436465693.JavaMail.root@mailhub016.itcs.purdue.edu> References: <1013119422.128130.1316436465693.JavaMail.root@mailhub016.itcs.purdue.edu> Message-ID: <4E773C87.2070101@purdue.edu> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 09/19/2011 08:47 AM, Rick Westerman wrote: > Can another month have slipped by so quickly? Must have done so > because my calendar is showing that we have a meeting tomorrow, Sep. > 20th, in WSLR 116. 11:30-noon, social time, noon onward the talks. > At the moment we only have myself blathering on about CGI::Table plus > using gzip, etc. on the command line but I suspect that we will get > some last minute presentations as well. > I'll give my Pittsburgh Perl Workshop talk, Bring Perl to a Python/Matlab Fight. Won't be polished but it'll give me a chance to give it in front of a live audience. :-) joe -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Red Hat - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk53PIUACgkQb0mzA2gRTpk+vACbBTYM9t8XcZ+greRtn/aKbp3y tB8Anjjq7miv2/yQawo4Q/wtcQ7UZg7M =6gG0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mark at ecn.purdue.edu Mon Sep 19 07:24:30 2011 From: mark at ecn.purdue.edu (Mark Senn) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 10:24:30 -0400 Subject: [Purdue-pm] Meeting this Tuesday, Sep 20th In-Reply-To: <4E773C87.2070101@purdue.edu> References: <1013119422.128130.1316436465693.JavaMail.root@mailhub016.itcs.purdue.edu> <4E773C87.2070101@purdue.edu> Message-ID: <16402.1316442270@pier.ecn.purdue.edu> > I'll give my Pittsburgh Perl Workshop talk, Bring Perl to a > Python/Matlab Fight. > > Won't be polished but it'll give me a chance to give it in front of a > live audience. :-) > > joe First, I see you've chosen your opponents carefully and left out Mathematica. That's a good choice. Mathematica is a great system that is better than Perl in many ways. I've done problems 1--4 of the Purdue Math Department's "Problem of the Week" [1] with Mathematica. I plan to do problem 5 using Mathematica. You may want to demonstrate how to do them with Perl. I'd be interested in hearig how Matlab's symbolic math capabilities (algebra, calculus, etc.) compare with Perl's. By the way, months ago I announced a challege problem: finding the longest and shortest trip state capitals trip. I haven't heard of a Perl solution from a Purdue Perl Monger yet. Does anyoe have a solution? -mark [1] http://www.math.purdue.edu/pow From gizmo at purdue.edu Mon Sep 19 10:59:14 2011 From: gizmo at purdue.edu (Joe Kline) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 13:59:14 -0400 Subject: [Purdue-pm] Meeting this Tuesday, Sep 20th In-Reply-To: <16402.1316442270@pier.ecn.purdue.edu> References: <1013119422.128130.1316436465693.JavaMail.root@mailhub016.itcs.purdue.edu> <4E773C87.2070101@purdue.edu> <16402.1316442270@pier.ecn.purdue.edu> Message-ID: <4E7782F2.6070508@purdue.edu> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 09/19/2011 10:24 AM, Mark Senn wrote: > > I'll give my Pittsburgh Perl Workshop talk, Bring Perl to a > > Python/Matlab Fight. > > > > Won't be polished but it'll give me a chance to give it in front of a > > live audience. :-) > > > > joe > > First, I see you've chosen your opponents carefully and left out > Mathematica. That's a good choice. Mathematica is a great system > that is better than Perl in many ways. > > I've done problems 1--4 of the Purdue Math Department's "Problem of the > Week" [1] with Mathematica. I plan to do problem 5 using Mathematica. > You may want to demonstrate how to do them with Perl. > > I'd be interested in hearig how Matlab's symbolic math capabilities > (algebra, calculus, etc.) compare with Perl's. > > By the way, months ago I announced a challege problem: finding > the longest and shortest trip state capitals trip. I haven't heard > of a Perl solution from a Purdue Perl Monger yet. Does anyoe have > a solution? > > -mark > > [1] http://www.math.purdue.edu/pow > I chose Matlab since it is the most ubiquitous on campus. If Mathematica was used more I would have thrown that in there as well. joe -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Red Hat - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk53gvIACgkQb0mzA2gRTpmukACeK0UKbm4dgHttMdxVLwBthiPk RpAAnR0UAJ+5/M/3DI9k7ZWRhDqsvBgu =UItS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From gizmo at purdue.edu Tue Sep 20 05:57:04 2011 From: gizmo at purdue.edu (Joe Kline) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 08:57:04 -0400 Subject: [Purdue-pm] Meeting this Tuesday, Sep 20th In-Reply-To: <4E7782F2.6070508@purdue.edu> References: <1013119422.128130.1316436465693.JavaMail.root@mailhub016.itcs.purdue.edu> <4E773C87.2070101@purdue.edu> <16402.1316442270@pier.ecn.purdue.edu> <4E7782F2.6070508@purdue.edu> Message-ID: <4E788DA0.20608@purdue.edu> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Looks like I'll have to bow out of the meeting today. I didn't get my slides finished and I have a meeting on the other side of campus from WSLR at 1pm. If you are interested maybe I can give the talk sometime next week during lunch at WSLR (or whatever is convenient for the group)? Sorry, joe -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Red Hat - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk54jZ8ACgkQb0mzA2gRTplwRgCaAm3VfAPd7EdbTbvTPdqeHa2y D/oAmwUuuoILYewNin+qmBA7h3yfURM3 =0oqL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From derrick at csociety.org Tue Sep 20 08:58:24 2011 From: derrick at csociety.org (derrick) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:58:24 -0400 Subject: [Purdue-pm] Meeting this Tuesday, Sep 20th In-Reply-To: <1013119422.128130.1316436465693.JavaMail.root@mailhub016.itcs.purdue.edu> References: <1013119422.128130.1316436465693.JavaMail.root@mailhub016.itcs.purdue.edu> Message-ID: <4E78B820.8080408@csociety.org> I can't make it this month, i hope to be back next month. dsk On 09/19/2011 08:47 AM, Rick Westerman wrote: > Can another month have slipped by so quickly? Must have done so because my calendar is showing that we have a meeting tomorrow, Sep. 20th, in WSLR 116. 11:30-noon, social time, noon onward the talks. At the moment we only have myself blathering on about CGI::Table plus using gzip, etc. on the command line but I suspect that we will get some last minute presentations as well. > > > > From westerman at purdue.edu Tue Sep 20 10:47:52 2011 From: westerman at purdue.edu (Rick Westerman) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 13:47:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Purdue-pm] Meeting this Tuesday, Sep 20th In-Reply-To: <4E78B820.8080408@csociety.org> Message-ID: <792709413.134553.1316540872644.JavaMail.root@mailhub016.itcs.purdue.edu> We had a lightly attended meeting but never-the-less filled up 90 minutes with talks. I gave 2 1/2 talks while Dave gave the other talk. One was on "Prezi" which is a new way doing presentations. Mark says it is good for the K-to-4th grade crowd and I might agree that viewpoint. Then I gave a talk on CGI::Table and why I will never again use CGI::Pretty. I did this in Prezi because the talk was light-weight. Then a more in-depth (i.e., linear) talk on using IO::Uncompress::AnyUncompress Dave then bravely opened up some of his code. We made some comments that I hope were useful. -- Rick Westerman westerman at purdue.edu Bioinformatics specialist at the Genomics Facility. Phone: (765) 494-0505 FAX: (765) 496-7255 Department of Horticulture and Landscape Architecture 625 Agriculture Mall Drive West Lafayette, IN 47907-2010 Physically located in room S049, WSLR building From mark at ecn.purdue.edu Tue Sep 20 11:38:57 2011 From: mark at ecn.purdue.edu (Mark Senn) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 14:38:57 -0400 Subject: [Purdue-pm] Meeting this Tuesday, Sep 20th In-Reply-To: <792709413.134553.1316540872644.JavaMail.root@mailhub016.itcs.purdue.edu> References: <792709413.134553.1316540872644.JavaMail.root@mailhub016.itcs.purdue.edu> Message-ID: <6155.1316543937@pier.ecn.purdue.edu> Rick Westerman wrote: > Mark says [Prezi -mark] is good for the K-to-4th grade crowd What I was trying to say was techers in K-8 are very interested in Prezi. I hate it. Its special effects with little affect as far as I'm concerned. It yanks the person watching here and there leaving them confused about where they have been. People need structure when trying to learn stuff the first time. Most Prezi presentations don't provide that structure. ( I hate PowerPoint too, so do some other people---most notably Edward Tufte. See http://www.edwardtufte.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=0001yB http://power-points.blogspot.com/ Google for "Edward Tufte powerpoint" ) -mark From westerman at purdue.edu Tue Sep 20 12:39:11 2011 From: westerman at purdue.edu (Rick Westerman) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 15:39:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Purdue-pm] Prezi: was Meeting this Tuesday, Sep 20th In-Reply-To: <6155.1316543937@pier.ecn.purdue.edu> Message-ID: <419140752.135123.1316547551197.JavaMail.root@mailhub016.itcs.purdue.edu> ----- Original Message ----- > Rick Westerman wrote: > > Mark says [Prezi -mark] is good for the K-to-4th grade crowd > > Mark wrote: > What I was trying to say was techers in K-8 are very interested in > Prezi. I hate it. Its special effects with little affect as far as I'm > concerned. It yanks the person watching here and there leaving them > confused about where they have been. People need structure when trying > to learn stuff the first time. Most Prezi presentations don't provide > that structure. That gives me an idea for the October meeting. Assuming that no other talks appear then maybe I'll go through some of the Perl-related Prezi presentations that are available. If there are any good ones. :-) This might give us a feel as to if Prezi can be used in a technical talk or if it is indeed "lights and glitter." After looking at several of the presentations I am beginning to think "l&g" ... linear thoughts on a board that moves around too much. -- Rick Westerman westerman at purdue.edu Bioinformatics specialist at the Genomics Facility. Phone: (765) 494-0505 FAX: (765) 496-7255 Department of Horticulture and Landscape Architecture 625 Agriculture Mall Drive West Lafayette, IN 47907-2010 Physically located in room S049, WSLR building From gizmo at purdue.edu Tue Sep 20 13:11:31 2011 From: gizmo at purdue.edu (Joe Kline) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 16:11:31 -0400 Subject: [Purdue-pm] Prezi: was Meeting this Tuesday, Sep 20th In-Reply-To: <419140752.135123.1316547551197.JavaMail.root@mailhub016.itcs.purdue.edu> References: <419140752.135123.1316547551197.JavaMail.root@mailhub016.itcs.purdue.edu> Message-ID: <4E78F373.7000308@purdue.edu> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The few Prezi talks I've seen...I was distracted by the transition way too much. I think Tufte would hate Prezi as well. He is concerned with getting information presented well. He hates the how PowerPoint is used not so much the application itself (I might have a copy of his rant against PowerPoint somewhere). A quick google of prezi edward tufte gives some good critiques: http://kb.ucla.edu/articles/prezi-the-zooming-presentation-editor (a comment) https://chronicle.com/blogs/profhacker/challenging-the-presentation-paradigm-prezi/22646 As was written in the first link, According to information display guru Edward Tufte, ?If your presentations are boring, it?s your content, so get new content? (Tufte 2008). joe -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Red Hat - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk5483MACgkQb0mzA2gRTpnp7gCgmftioGhIzFq1a1jhaqMmpXzG HE0AoJ0AsE9RLGvp9Au6di9HEsZv3Fn+ =3dR3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mark at purdue.edu Mon Sep 26 04:15:03 2011 From: mark at purdue.edu (Mark Senn) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 07:15:03 -0400 Subject: [Purdue-pm] what people want to read about Perl? Message-ID: <1831.1317035703@pier.ecn.purdue.edu> Purdue Perl Mongers, Please answer very short survey written about in the below forwarded message. Thanks. Mark Senn Hi, I have set up a new web site for running polls, to allow people in the Perl community figure out what others in the community think. I plan to run one very quick poll every month. This time I'd like to know what would you like to read about in the Perl blogs. For the full article visit: http://szabgab.com/blog/2011/09/perl-poll-what-would-you-like-to-read-about.html To go directly to the poll visit http://perlpolls.com/perl-news Perl Mongers =============== As I'd like to reach as many Perl user/programmers as possible and there are only 4 days to complete the poll I'd like to ask your help. Please forward this message (or an improved version of it) to your Perl Mongers groups. If you also forward it to your co-workers, that would be just a bonus. regards Gabor From mdw at purdue.edu Mon Sep 26 04:20:06 2011 From: mdw at purdue.edu (Mark Daniel Ward) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 07:20:06 -0400 Subject: [Purdue-pm] question about Das Keyboard In-Reply-To: <1831.1317035703@pier.ecn.purdue.edu> References: <1831.1317035703@pier.ecn.purdue.edu> Message-ID: <4E805FE6.8000409@purdue.edu> Dear Mark (and all the Perl Mongers), I figure that Perl enthusiasts are probably typing enthusiasts too? (If not, please forgive this unsolicited email!) I'm wondering if any of you have used the Das Keyboard or perhaps have one in your office? I have been thinking about taking the plunge to one of these: http://www.daskeyboard.com/model-s-ultimate/ I currently use a Matias Tactile Pro 2, so this wouldn't be a huge change for me, but I'm just hoping to see one in person before I make the leap. If you have a Das Keyboard or know of one on campus, I'd love to know about it. Thanks! Mark On 9/26/11 7:15 AM, Mark Senn wrote: > Purdue Perl Mongers, > Please answer very short survey written about in the below forwarded message. > Thanks. > Mark Senn > > Hi, > > I have set up a new web site for running polls, to allow people in the > Perl community figure out what others in the community think. > I plan to run one very quick poll every month. > > This time I'd like to know what would you like to read about in the > Perl blogs. For the full article visit: > > http://szabgab.com/blog/2011/09/perl-poll-what-would-you-like-to-read-about.html > > To go directly to the poll visit http://perlpolls.com/perl-news > > > Perl Mongers > =============== > As I'd like to reach as many Perl user/programmers as possible > and there are only 4 days to complete the poll I'd like to ask your help. > > Please forward this message (or an improved version of it) > to your Perl Mongers groups. > > If you also forward it to your co-workers, that would be just a bonus. > > regards > Gabor > _______________________________________________ > Purdue-pm mailing list > Purdue-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/purdue-pm From mark at ecn.purdue.edu Mon Sep 26 04:21:32 2011 From: mark at ecn.purdue.edu (Mark Senn) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 07:21:32 -0400 Subject: [Purdue-pm] Gabor Szabo: [Perlweekly] The current Perl Weekly News - Issue #9 - Poll: What would you like to read about? Message-ID: <3496.1317036092@pier.ecn.purdue.edu> I signed up for the following weekly Perl newsletter by going to http://perlweekly.com/ Mark Senn -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Gabor Szabo Subject: [Perlweekly] The current Perl Weekly News - Issue #9 - Poll: What would you like to read about? Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 03:00:10 -0700 Size: 19937 URL: From mark at ecn.purdue.edu Mon Sep 26 05:29:10 2011 From: mark at ecn.purdue.edu (Mark Senn) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 08:29:10 -0400 Subject: [Purdue-pm] question about Das Keyboard In-Reply-To: <4E805FE6.8000409@purdue.edu> References: <1831.1317035703@pier.ecn.purdue.edu> <4E805FE6.8000409@purdue.edu> Message-ID: <17564.1317040150@pier.ecn.purdue.edu> mdw> I figure that Perl enthusiasts are probably typing enthusiasts mdw> too? (If not, please forgive this unsolicited email!) I'm mdw> wondering if any of you have used the Das Keyboard or perhaps mdw> have one in your office? I have been thinking about taking the mdw> plunge to one of these: mdw> http://www.daskeyboard.com/model-s-ultimate/ mdw> mdw> I currently use a Matias Tactile Pro 2, so this wouldn't be a mdw> huge change for me, but I'm just hoping to see one in person mdw> before I make the leap. mdw> mdw> If you have a Das Keyboard or know of one on campus, I'd love mdw> to know about it. Thanks! I haven't used either of these but highly recommend one feature of the Das Keyboard Model S Ultimate Keyboard: no inscriptions on the keys (blank keys), forcing one to touch type all characters. I've used a TypeMatrix 2030 keyboard with blank keys and love that feature. (The TypeMatrix 2020 with Dvorak-only labeling (it doesn't come blank) is my all-time favorite keyboard---hands are furthur apart on the 2020 than the 2030. See http://www.typematrix.com/shop/ for more info on the 2020 and 2030. Disclosure: I don't get anything from recommending, havenn't invested in company, etc.) I'll be giving a talk to the Purdue Human Factors and Ergonomics Society on October 20, 2011 it will be named something like one of the following (haven't decided for sure yet): Computer Keyboard Design Computer Keyboard Design: Pessimal on Purpose and How to Fix It (pessimal~=pessimistic~=bad, optimal~=optimistic~=good) Computer Keyboard Design: Why is Something Used So Much Designed So Poorly? Computer Keyboard Evolution Attendance is free. Details are at https://engineering.purdue.edu/~hfes/index.html I'll put the notes on the Internet after the talk. -mark From jacoby at purdue.edu Mon Sep 26 10:11:31 2011 From: jacoby at purdue.edu (Dave Jacoby) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 13:11:31 -0400 Subject: [Purdue-pm] question about Das Keyboard In-Reply-To: <4E805FE6.8000409@purdue.edu> References: <1831.1317035703@pier.ecn.purdue.edu> <4E805FE6.8000409@purdue.edu> Message-ID: <4E80B243.2070002@purdue.edu> On 9/26/2011 7:20 AM, Mark Daniel Ward wrote: > > If you have a Das Keyboard or know of one on campus, I'd love to know > about it. Thanks! I've been drooling over DAS keyboards (esp the all-black model) for some time, but haven't been able to justify the cost yet. -- Dave Jacoby Address: WSLR S049 Code Maker Mail: jacoby at purdue.edu Purdue University Phone: 765.49.67368 924 days until the end of XP support From mdw at purdue.edu Mon Sep 26 10:12:47 2011 From: mdw at purdue.edu (Mark Daniel Ward) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 13:12:47 -0400 Subject: [Purdue-pm] question about Das Keyboard In-Reply-To: <4E80B243.2070002@purdue.edu> References: <1831.1317035703@pier.ecn.purdue.edu> <4E805FE6.8000409@purdue.edu> <4E80B243.2070002@purdue.edu> Message-ID: <4E80B28F.3070506@purdue.edu> Dear Dave, You don't know someone who has one, do you? (Thanks!) Mark On 9/26/11 1:11 PM, Dave Jacoby wrote: > On 9/26/2011 7:20 AM, Mark Daniel Ward wrote: >> >> If you have a Das Keyboard or know of one on campus, I'd love to know >> about it. Thanks! > > I've been drooling over DAS keyboards (esp the all-black model) for > some time, but haven't been able to justify the cost yet. > From jacoby at purdue.edu Mon Sep 26 11:54:28 2011 From: jacoby at purdue.edu (Dave Jacoby) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 14:54:28 -0400 Subject: [Purdue-pm] question about Das Keyboard In-Reply-To: <4E80B28F.3070506@purdue.edu> References: <1831.1317035703@pier.ecn.purdue.edu> <4E805FE6.8000409@purdue.edu> <4E80B243.2070002@purdue.edu> <4E80B28F.3070506@purdue.edu> Message-ID: <4E80CA64.6080304@purdue.edu> On 9/26/2011 1:12 PM, Mark Daniel Ward wrote: > > > You don't know someone who has one, do you? (Thanks!) Wish I did. -- Dave Jacoby Address: WSLR S049 Code Maker Mail: jacoby at purdue.edu Purdue University Phone: 765.49.67368 924 days until the end of XP support From bradley.d.andersen at gmail.com Mon Sep 26 12:16:09 2011 From: bradley.d.andersen at gmail.com (Bradley Andersen) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 15:16:09 -0400 Subject: [Purdue-pm] question about Das Keyboard In-Reply-To: <4E80CA64.6080304@purdue.edu> References: <1831.1317035703@pier.ecn.purdue.edu> <4E805FE6.8000409@purdue.edu> <4E80B243.2070002@purdue.edu> <4E80B28F.3070506@purdue.edu> <4E80CA64.6080304@purdue.edu> Message-ID: well, if you all (i'll help!) chipped in $10 @, i'll be you (we) could have a Purdue PM official dein (unser) keyboard ;) -- I am an Ancient Psychic Tandem War Elephant. On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Dave Jacoby wrote: > On 9/26/2011 1:12 PM, Mark Daniel Ward wrote: > >> >> >> You don't know someone who has one, do you? 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