From Jenda at Krynicky.cz Mon Apr 30 11:47:53 2001 From: Jenda at Krynicky.cz (Jenda@Krynicky.cz) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:45 2004 Subject: APM: test 4 Message-ID: <200104301449.f3UEnCU31971@gocho.pm.org> test 4 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From Jenda at Krynicky.cz Mon Apr 30 11:52:07 2001 From: Jenda at Krynicky.cz (Jenda@Krynicky.cz) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:45 2004 Subject: APM: test 5 Message-ID: <200104301453.f3UErRU31991@gocho.pm.org> test 5 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From Jenda at Krynicky.cz Tue Oct 23 05:56:37 2001 From: Jenda at Krynicky.cz (Jenda Krynicky) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:45 2004 Subject: APM: Re: Fwd: Majordomo results In-Reply-To: <20011023123918.B82962@mini.instinct.org> References: <3BD564DC.24372.6DBE43@localhost>; from Jenda@Krynicky.cz on Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 12:38:52PM +0200 Message-ID: <3BD56905.25494.7DFE77@localhost> > On Oct 23, Jenda Krynicky wrote: > > No there are very few members. And there is nothing to archive. > > oh well. roughly how many people are on the list? About ... four ??? > > The list is only supposted to be used to settle meetings of Prague > > mongers. > > that's pretty much what I expected. > > > You are living in Prague, Czech Rep. now? > > yes. it sounds like you don't have many meetings. when was the last > time you met? > > - peter. Well .. the problem is that I'm really not the right person to start or manage anything like this. I feel most confident behind a computer, not speaking to people. And managing anything, finding people who might be interested, "advertising" ... not something I would be able to do. Plus I did not have much time lately. I thought that is will work out somehow, but it did not. :-( I just felt bad since smaller cities in less advanced countries already had Perl Mongers groups and wanted to start one here, but I should not have registered Prague.pm myself. Jenda =========== Jenda@Krynicky.cz == http://Jenda.Krynicky.cz ========== There is a reason for living. There must be. I've seen it somewhere. It's just that in the mess on my table ... and in my brain. I can't find it. --- me --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From pgl at mini.instinct.org Tue Oct 23 06:27:00 2001 From: pgl at mini.instinct.org (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:45 2004 Subject: APM: Re: Fwd: Majordomo results In-Reply-To: <3BD56905.25494.7DFE77@localhost>; from Jenda@Krynicky.cz on Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 12:56:37PM +0200 References: <3BD564DC.24372.6DBE43@localhost>; <20011023123918.B82962@mini.instinct.org> <3BD56905.25494.7DFE77@localhost> Message-ID: <20011023132700.A83186@mini.instinct.org> On Oct 23, Jenda Krynicky wrote: > > oh well. roughly how many people are on the list? > > About ... four ??? really? wow. I didn't expect there to be many, but that's a pretty small list. :) > Well .. the problem is that I'm really not the right person to start or > manage anything like this. I feel most confident behind a computer, > not speaking to people. And managing anything, finding people > who might be interested, "advertising" I know how you feel. > ... not something I would be able to do. would you want some help? I'd quite like to meet up with some other programmers (who spoke english!) for a few beers. I could at least do up a better webpage for you. :) > Plus I did not have much time lately. bah, worst excuse ever. :) > I thought that is will work out somehow, but it did not. :-( when did you start it? - peter. -- This is not the signature you are looking for. Move along. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From Jenda at Krynicky.cz Tue Oct 23 07:32:21 2001 From: Jenda at Krynicky.cz (Jenda Krynicky) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:46 2004 Subject: APM: Re: Fwd: Majordomo results In-Reply-To: <20011023132700.A83186@mini.instinct.org> References: <3BD56905.25494.7DFE77@localhost>; from Jenda@Krynicky.cz on Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 12:56:37PM +0200 Message-ID: <3BD57F75.30464.C9870@localhost> > > Well .. the problem is that I'm really not the right person to start > > or manage anything like this. I feel most confident behind a > > computer, not speaking to people. And managing anything, finding > > people who might be interested, "advertising" > > I know how you feel. > > > ... not something I would be able to do. > > would you want some help? I'd quite like to meet up with some other > programmers (who spoke english!) for a few beers. I could at least do > up a better webpage for you. :) I've never been good in webpage design. I'm a programmer, not a designer. If you look at my home page you see it's totaly minimalistic. I used to play with desing back in 95-96, but I got tired with it. It's better to spend time writing code. If you create a better looking page or some poster or whatever I'll be gratefull. > > Plus I did not have much time lately. > > bah, worst excuse ever. :) Well you are right. I could have found time for this if I tried. > > I thought that is will work out somehow, but it did not. :-( > > when did you start it? I think in May this year ... after I left the army (I had to serve for one year ... but it was more like holidays. Much needed holidays!) Jenda == Jenda@Krynicky.cz == http://Jenda.Krynicky.cz == Always code as if the guy who ends up maintaining your code will be a violent psychopath who knows where you live. -- Rick Osborne, --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From pgl at mini.instinct.org Tue Oct 23 10:56:51 2001 From: pgl at mini.instinct.org (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:46 2004 Subject: APM: Re: Fwd: Majordomo results In-Reply-To: <3BD57F75.30464.C9870@localhost>; from Jenda@Krynicky.cz on Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 02:32:21PM +0200 References: <3BD56905.25494.7DFE77@localhost>; <20011023132700.A83186@mini.instinct.org> <3BD57F75.30464.C9870@localhost> Message-ID: <20011023175651.B84681@mini.instinct.org> On Oct 23, Jenda Krynicky wrote: > I've never been good in webpage design. I'm a programmer, not a > designer. If you look at my home page you see it's totaly > minimalistic. I had a look earlier. that's a lot of modules! it's funny, I was talking to my friends about Mail::Sender the other day (about the same you have a note about on your page). > I used to play with desing back in 95-96, but I got tired with it. It's > better to spend time writing code. I know how you feel. :) > If you create a better looking page or some poster or whatever I'll > be gratefull. I'll see what I can do... > > when did you start it? > > I think in May this year ... after I left the army (I had to serve for one > year ... but it was more like holidays. Much needed holidays!) what do you do? where do you work? I take it you're a professional perl programmer of some sort, but do you do anything in particular (web stuff, sysadmin, whatever)? cheers, - peter. -- This is not the signature you are looking for. Move along. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From Jenda at Krynicky.cz Tue Oct 23 11:13:46 2001 From: Jenda at Krynicky.cz (Jenda Krynicky) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:46 2004 Subject: APM: Re: Fwd: Majordomo results In-Reply-To: <20011023175651.B84681@mini.instinct.org> References: <3BD57F75.30464.C9870@localhost>; from Jenda@Krynicky.cz on Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 02:32:21PM +0200 Message-ID: <3BD5B35A.31463.D74CB6@localhost> > I had a look earlier. that's a lot of modules! it's funny, I was > talking to my friends about Mail::Sender the other day (about the same > you have a note about on your page). My oldest. Something I'm kind of ashamed of. It's in big need of total rewrite ... which I plan for years already and never had time and strength to start. > > If you create a better looking page or some poster or whatever I'll > > be gratefull. > > I'll see what I can do... Thanks :-) > > > when did you start it? > > > > I think in May this year ... after I left the army (I had to serve > > for one year ... but it was more like holidays. Much needed > > holidays!) > > what do you do? where do you work? I take it you're a professional > perl programmer of some sort, but do you do anything in particular > (web stuff, sysadmin, whatever)? I used to work as a sysadmin/user suport person in an advertising agency for 2.5 years. Now I'm working for TMP.worldwide as "backend developer". I'm currently working on an Intranet/Internet project for automated job offer posting. One of it's faces will become part of monster.com. Mostly ASP/VBScript and MSSQL ... but I'm using Perl for some tasks as well of course. For example to generate the VB code ;-) And you? Jenda =========== Jenda@Krynicky.cz == http://Jenda.Krynicky.cz ========== There is a reason for living. There must be. I've seen it somewhere. It's just that in the mess on my table ... and in my brain. I can't find it. --- me --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From pgl at mini.instinct.org Tue Oct 23 11:33:40 2001 From: pgl at mini.instinct.org (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:46 2004 Subject: APM: Re: Fwd: Majordomo results In-Reply-To: <3BD5B35A.31463.D74CB6@localhost>; from Jenda@Krynicky.cz on Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 06:13:46PM +0200 References: <3BD57F75.30464.C9870@localhost>; <20011023175651.B84681@mini.instinct.org> <3BD5B35A.31463.D74CB6@localhost> Message-ID: <20011023183340.B84932@mini.instinct.org> On Oct 23, Jenda Krynicky wrote: > My oldest. Something I'm kind of ashamed of. It's in big need of > total rewrite ... which I plan for years already and never had time > and strength to start. everything is always in need of a rewrite. :-) > I used to work as a sysadmin/user suport person in an advertising > agency for 2.5 years. > Now I'm working for TMP.worldwide as "backend developer". ah! my friend has just applied for a job there. what's it like? is it good pay, and are they looking for more people? :-) > I'm currently working on an Intranet/Internet project for automated > job offer posting. One of it's faces will become part of monster.com. > > Mostly ASP/VBScript and MSSQL ... but I'm using Perl for some > tasks as well of course. For example to generate the VB code ;-) > > And you? I'm a "developer" for a company called "capitol internet publisher". we do intranet and internet stuff for people like cesky telecom, british airways, dell and a few others. I mostly do projects in php, mysql and postgres, but we use oracle, perl, mssql, c, or whatever too (whatever the customer has). I try to do as much perl as possible, which isn't much unfortunately. I've done a few years of programming and sysadmin stuff for a load of different companies in london and prague. I realised I really didn't like being a sysadmin a couple of years ago after I got a chance to move to a programming position in the company I was working for, I will hopefully never go back to doing it. -- This is not the signature you are looking for. Move along. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From Jenda at Krynicky.cz Tue Oct 23 12:07:22 2001 From: Jenda at Krynicky.cz (Jenda Krynicky) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:46 2004 Subject: APM: Re: Fwd: Majordomo results In-Reply-To: <20011023183340.B84932@mini.instinct.org> References: <3BD5B35A.31463.D74CB6@localhost>; from Jenda@Krynicky.cz on Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 06:13:46PM +0200 Message-ID: <3BD5BFEA.14580.108605D@localhost> > > I used to work as a sysadmin/user suport person in an advertising > > agency for 2.5 years. Now I'm working for TMP.worldwide as "backend > > developer". > > ah! my friend has just applied for a job there. what's it like? is it > good pay, and are they looking for more people? :-) It's quite good over here. Not like in McCann-Erickson where they tried to save on everything, where you had to sign a paper just to get new pencil, where most people leaved after two or three months, where the person who was the bosses best friend yesterday was fired immediately today, ... crazy company. Thanks god I'm away. For the salary ... I don't know. I think it's rather good, but it depends on what you expect or what do you compare it to. And we are always looking for more people. > I'm a "developer" for a company called "capitol internet publisher". > we do intranet and internet stuff for people like cesky telecom, > british airways, dell and a few others. I mostly do projects in php, > mysql and postgres, but we use oracle, perl, mssql, c, or whatever too > (whatever the customer has). Almost same here. Though it's a bit more IIS/VBScript oriented. You can find "programmers" in VB easier in Prague. Well programmers ... some of them are mere "script kidies" ;-) > I realised I really didn't like being a sysadmin a couple of > years ago after I got a chance to move to a programming position in > the company I was working for, I will hopefully never go back to doing > it. Being sysadmin .... especialy if you are the user support person yourself ... gets on your nerves. You never know what will explode when, you're never done with anything, the only time when you can concentrate on real work is during night when everybody's out ... I've had enough. Jenda == Jenda@Krynicky.cz == http://Jenda.Krynicky.cz == : What do people think? What, do people think? :-) -- Larry Wall in <199808071736.KAA12738@wall.org> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From pgl at mini.instinct.org Wed Oct 24 04:34:51 2001 From: pgl at mini.instinct.org (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:46 2004 Subject: APM: Re: Fwd: Majordomo results In-Reply-To: <3BD5BFEA.14580.108605D@localhost>; from Jenda@Krynicky.cz on Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 07:07:22PM +0200 References: <3BD5B35A.31463.D74CB6@localhost>; <20011023183340.B84932@mini.instinct.org> <3BD5BFEA.14580.108605D@localhost> Message-ID: <20011024113451.B88835@mini.instinct.org> On Oct 23, Jenda Krynicky wrote: > It's quite good over here. Not like in McCann-Erickson where they > months, where the person who was the bosses best friend > yesterday was fired immediately today, ... crazy company. > Thanks god I'm away. I've worked for places like that before, I know what you mean. > For the salary ... I don't know. I think it's rather good, but it > depends on what you expect or what do you compare it to. fair enough. > And we are always looking for more people. hmmmm. > Almost same here. Though it's a bit more IIS/VBScript oriented. > You can find "programmers" in VB easier in Prague. Well > programmers ... some of them are mere "script kidies" ;-) really? oh dear. do you get to do any perl at all? > Being sysadmin .... especialy if you are the user support person > yourself ... gets on your nerves. You never know what will explode > when, you're never done with anything, the only time when you can > concentrate on real work is during night when everybody's out ... > I've had enough. yes! exactly! waiting around until something breaks, getting everybody shouting at you because it's YOUR fault that it's broken, yet when everything's running smoothly noone cares. - peter. -- This is not the signature you are looking for. Move along. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From Jenda at Krynicky.cz Wed Oct 24 07:19:42 2001 From: Jenda at Krynicky.cz (Jenda Krynicky) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:46 2004 Subject: APM: Re: Fwd: Majordomo results In-Reply-To: <20011024113451.B88835@mini.instinct.org> References: <3BD5BFEA.14580.108605D@localhost>; from Jenda@Krynicky.cz on Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 07:07:22PM +0200 Message-ID: <3BD6CDFE.3744.34221A@localhost> > > And we are always looking for more people. > > hmmmm. Come on ... I get paid for people I've seduced to work for us ;-) > > Almost same here. Though it's a bit more IIS/VBScript oriented. You > > can find "programmers" in VB easier in Prague. Well programmers ... > > some of them are mere "script kidies" ;-) > > really? oh dear. do you get to do any perl at all? Sure. I use Perl to generate VB code for example ;-) And I have written a Perl service as part of the project ... to generate MD5 hashes for files so that I could generate updates and be sure I do have all servers in sync, and to do a few more tasks now and then. And of course a little script here, a little script there ... you know these. "Why to do something by hand, if you can automate it." ;-) Jenda =========== Jenda@Krynicky.cz == http://Jenda.Krynicky.cz ========== There is a reason for living. There must be. I've seen it somewhere. It's just that in the mess on my table ... and in my brain. I can't find it. --- me --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From pgl at mini.instinct.org Wed Oct 24 07:23:15 2001 From: pgl at mini.instinct.org (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:46 2004 Subject: APM: Re: Fwd: Majordomo results In-Reply-To: <3BD6CDFE.3744.34221A@localhost>; from Jenda@Krynicky.cz on Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 02:19:42PM +0200 References: <3BD5BFEA.14580.108605D@localhost>; <20011024113451.B88835@mini.instinct.org> <3BD6CDFE.3744.34221A@localhost> Message-ID: <20011024142315.A89491@mini.instinct.org> On Oct 24, Jenda Krynicky wrote: > Come on ... I get paid for people I've seduced to work for us ;-) what do they have available? :-) > > do you get to do any perl at all? > > Sure. I use Perl to generate VB code for example ;-) how? you have some kind of perl -> vb generator, or what? > And I have written a Perl service as part of the project ... to > generate MD5 hashes for files so that I could generate updates and > be sure I do have all servers in sync, and to do a few more tasks > now and then. "use Digest::MD5"? ;-) > And of course a little script here, a little script there ... you know > these. "Why to do something by hand, if you can automate it." ;-) ... "and spend more time programming in a GOOD language". yeah, I know those. :-) -- This is not the signature you are looking for. Move along. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From Jenda at Krynicky.cz Wed Oct 24 08:03:53 2001 From: Jenda at Krynicky.cz (Jenda Krynicky) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:46 2004 Subject: APM: Re: Fwd: Majordomo results In-Reply-To: <20011024142315.A89491@mini.instinct.org> References: <3BD6CDFE.3744.34221A@localhost>; from Jenda@Krynicky.cz on Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 02:19:42PM +0200 Message-ID: <3BD6D859.337.5C9219@localhost> > On Oct 24, Jenda Krynicky wrote: > > Come on ... I get paid for people I've seduced to work for us ;-) > > what do they have available? :-) First ... we need a new sysadmin ;-) And then a few web programmers. ASP/VBScript, PHP, Perl ... we can use anything. Here is some preliminary page about us : http://wdc.tmp.com/ > > > do you get to do any perl at all? > > > > Sure. I use Perl to generate VB code for example ;-) > > how? you have some kind of perl -> vb generator, or what? Not really. I generate COM wrappers for stored procedures in the MSSQL Server : http://Jenda.Krynicky.cz/#SP_COM_generator Saves a lot of time ... especialy since you don't have to debug each method, update the method when the stored procedure changes etc. > > And I have written a Perl service as part of the project ... to > > generate MD5 hashes for files so that I could generate updates and > > be sure I do have all servers in sync, and to do a few more tasks > > now and then. > > "use Digest::MD5"? ;-) Yep. It's quite fine ... when I need to update a server I download four 40KB "index" files, run a script that compares the hashes on the server and on my PC and generates ZIPs containing all files that need to be updated and a bat file that deletes the files that are no longer needed. I even generate hashes for stored procedures, views and tables and compare those ... though the tables of course need some hand work if there are differences. Jenda == Jenda@Krynicky.cz == http://Jenda.Krynicky.cz == I wonder why the whole chemistry industry ignores computer bugs. We all would gladly pay big bucks for a functional insecticide. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From pgl at mini.instinct.org Wed Oct 24 08:49:37 2001 From: pgl at mini.instinct.org (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:46 2004 Subject: APM: Re: Fwd: Majordomo results In-Reply-To: <3BD6D859.337.5C9219@localhost>; from Jenda@Krynicky.cz on Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 03:03:53PM +0200 References: <3BD6CDFE.3744.34221A@localhost>; <20011024142315.A89491@mini.instinct.org> <3BD6D859.337.5C9219@localhost> Message-ID: <20011024154937.B89768@mini.instinct.org> On Oct 24, Jenda Krynicky wrote: > First ... we need a new sysadmin ;-) very funny. :-) > And then a few web programmers. ASP/VBScript, PHP, Perl ... we > can use anything. hmm... > Here is some preliminary page about us : http://wdc.tmp.com/ [mini:pgl]:~ $ host -t a wdc.tmp.com Host not found, try again. ? > > how? you have some kind of perl -> vb generator, or what? > > Not really. I generate COM wrappers for stored procedures in the > MSSQL Server : http://Jenda.Krynicky.cz/#SP_COM_generator ah. com. I have to admit don't know much about that... does that mean that tmp let you release the stuff you're developing there as open soure? > > "use Digest::MD5"? ;-) > > Yep. It's quite fine ... when I need to update a server I download > four 40KB "index" files, run a script that compares the hashes on > the server and on my PC and generates ZIPs containing all files > that need to be updated and a bat file that deletes the files that are > no longer needed. nice. sounds like an interesting way of doing it. - peter. -- This is not the signature you are looking for. Move along. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From Jenda at Krynicky.cz Wed Oct 24 09:01:53 2001 From: Jenda at Krynicky.cz (Jenda Krynicky) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:46 2004 Subject: APM: Re: Fwd: Majordomo results In-Reply-To: <20011024154937.B89768@mini.instinct.org> References: <3BD6D859.337.5C9219@localhost>; from Jenda@Krynicky.cz on Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 03:03:53PM +0200 Message-ID: <3BD6E5F1.27518.91AF58@localhost> > > Here is some preliminary page about us : http://wdc.tmp.com/ > > [mini:pgl]:~ $ host -t a wdc.tmp.com > Host not found, try again. > > ? Seems it's only accessible from inside. I'll ask if that was intended. > > > how? you have some kind of perl -> vb generator, or what? > > > > Not really. I generate COM wrappers for stored procedures in the > > MSSQL Server : http://Jenda.Krynicky.cz/#SP_COM_generator > > ah. com. I have to admit don't know much about that... > > does that mean that tmp let you release the stuff you're developing > there as open soure? Sometimes. The SP_COM_generator is not really part of any project ... its just a tool I created and use. I expected to get some feedback that would be helpfull, but I got nothing :-( Jenda =========== Jenda@Krynicky.cz == http://Jenda.Krynicky.cz ========== There is a reason for living. There must be. I've seen it somewhere. It's just that in the mess on my table ... and in my brain. I can't find it. --- me --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From pgl at mini.instinct.org Wed Oct 24 09:01:30 2001 From: pgl at mini.instinct.org (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:46 2004 Subject: APM: Re: Fwd: Majordomo results In-Reply-To: <3BD6E5F1.27518.91AF58@localhost>; from Jenda@Krynicky.cz on Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 04:01:53PM +0200 References: <3BD6D859.337.5C9219@localhost>; <20011024154937.B89768@mini.instinct.org> <3BD6E5F1.27518.91AF58@localhost> Message-ID: <20011024160130.A90033@mini.instinct.org> On Oct 24, Jenda Krynicky wrote: > Seems it's only accessible from inside. I'll ask if that was intended. let me know; I'd be interested in seeing a more detailed description. > > does that mean that tmp let you release the stuff you're developing > > there as open soure? > > Sometimes. The SP_COM_generator is not really part of any > project ... its just a tool I created and use. I expected to get some > feedback that would be helpfull, but I got nothing :-( you only uploaded it a week ago, I wouldn't expect too much yet! (although I don't know how popular / busy your site is, so maybe you should have expected more.) seriously, how many COM / Perl / ActiveX developers do you think there are, let alone how many have found your page? :-) - peter. -- This is not the signature you are looking for. Move along. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From Jenda at Krynicky.cz Wed Oct 24 09:24:39 2001 From: Jenda at Krynicky.cz (Jenda Krynicky) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:46 2004 Subject: APM: Re: Fwd: Majordomo results In-Reply-To: <20011024160130.A90033@mini.instinct.org> References: <3BD6E5F1.27518.91AF58@localhost>; from Jenda@Krynicky.cz on Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 04:01:53PM +0200 Message-ID: <3BD6EB47.31755.A686A2@localhost> > On Oct 24, Jenda Krynicky wrote: > > Seems it's only accessible from inside. I'll ask if that was > > intended. > > let me know; I'd be interested in seeing a more detailed description. Try http://wdc.tmpw.nl/ > > > does that mean that tmp let you release the stuff you're > > > developing there as open soure? > > > > Sometimes. The SP_COM_generator is not really part of any > > project ... its just a tool I created and use. I expected to get > > some feedback that would be helpfull, but I got nothing :-( > > you only uploaded it a week ago, I wouldn't expect too much yet! No. The data specifies when I uploaded the newest version. The first version that was online is about three months old already. > (although I don't know how popular / busy your site is, so maybe you > should have expected more.) seriously, how many COM / Perl / ActiveX > developers do you think there are, let alone how many have found your > page? :-) > > - peter. To tell the truth I did not expect to get a lot of feedback or even fixes on the Perl code. More like ... what would they want in the VB code, what would they write differently in the VB code etc. As you can see you can download a "compiled" version of the script so it may be used by people who do not know anything about Perl at all. That's why it's under "Visual Basic and VBScript tools". Maybe I should add "YOU DO NOT NEED TO KNOW PERL." in big bold red letters :-} And I have posted a note about it on www.codeguru.com in VB discussion list a month ago. Jenda =========== Jenda@Krynicky.cz == http://Jenda.Krynicky.cz ========== There is a reason for living. There must be. I've seen it somewhere. It's just that in the mess on my table ... and in my brain. I can't find it. --- me --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From pgl at mini.instinct.org Wed Oct 24 09:37:10 2001 From: pgl at mini.instinct.org (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:46 2004 Subject: APM: Re: Fwd: Majordomo results In-Reply-To: <3BD6EB47.31755.A686A2@localhost>; from Jenda@Krynicky.cz on Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 04:24:39PM +0200 References: <3BD6E5F1.27518.91AF58@localhost>; <20011024160130.A90033@mini.instinct.org> <3BD6EB47.31755.A686A2@localhost> Message-ID: <20011024163710.A90397@mini.instinct.org> On Oct 24, Jenda Krynicky wrote: > Try http://wdc.tmpw.nl/ ah. > No. The data specifies when I uploaded the newest version. > The first version that was online is about three months old already. ah, ok fair enough. > To tell the truth I did not expect to get a lot of feedback or even fixes on the > Perl code. More like ... what would they want in the VB code, what would > they write differently in the VB code etc. > As you can see you can download a "compiled" version of the script so it > may be used by people who do not know anything about Perl at all. That's > why it's under "Visual Basic and VBScript tools". > > Maybe I should add "YOU DO NOT NEED TO KNOW PERL." in big bold > red letters :-} :-) > And I have posted a note about it on www.codeguru.com in VB discussion > list a month ago. was there much feedback on there? -- This is not the signature you are looking for. Move along. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From Jenda at Krynicky.cz Wed Oct 24 11:21:28 2001 From: Jenda at Krynicky.cz (Jenda Krynicky) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:46 2004 Subject: APM: Re: Fwd: Majordomo results In-Reply-To: <20011024163710.A90397@mini.instinct.org> References: <3BD6EB47.31755.A686A2@localhost>; from Jenda@Krynicky.cz on Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 04:24:39PM +0200 Message-ID: <3BD706A8.9875.11178AC@localhost> > > And I have posted a note about it on www.codeguru.com in VB > > discussion list a month ago. > > was there much feedback on there? No. No feedback at all. But I know people are downloading it. Even the newest was already downloaded by 5 people as EXE and 6 people as source. (With most probably means 6 people;-) Jenda =========== Jenda@Krynicky.cz == http://Jenda.Krynicky.cz ========== There is a reason for living. There must be. I've seen it somewhere. It's just that in the mess on my table ... and in my brain. I can't find it. --- me --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From pgl at mini.instinct.org Wed Oct 24 11:18:49 2001 From: pgl at mini.instinct.org (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:46 2004 Subject: APM: Re: Fwd: Majordomo results In-Reply-To: <3BD706A8.9875.11178AC@localhost>; from Jenda@Krynicky.cz on Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 06:21:28PM +0200 References: <3BD6EB47.31755.A686A2@localhost>; <20011024163710.A90397@mini.instinct.org> <3BD706A8.9875.11178AC@localhost> Message-ID: <20011024181849.A90927@mini.instinct.org> On Oct 24, Jenda Krynicky wrote: > > was there much feedback on there? > > No. No feedback at all. that could just mean that people aren't having any problems with it? > But I know people are downloading it. > > Even the newest was already downloaded by 5 people as EXE and > 6 people as source. (With most probably means 6 people;-) :-) -- This is not the signature you are looking for. Move along. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From Jenda at Krynicky.cz Wed Oct 24 12:03:20 2001 From: Jenda at Krynicky.cz (Jenda Krynicky) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:46 2004 Subject: APM: Re: Fwd: Majordomo results In-Reply-To: <20011024181849.A90927@mini.instinct.org> References: <3BD706A8.9875.11178AC@localhost>; from Jenda@Krynicky.cz on Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 06:21:28PM +0200 Message-ID: <3BD71078.14149.137CD24@localhost> > On Oct 24, Jenda Krynicky wrote: > > > was there much feedback on there? > > > > No. No feedback at all. > > that could just mean that people aren't having any problems with it? I don't think that's likely. You always find shortcomings or omissions if you use something. Plus even though I try to write good documentation I'm sure I confuse things occasionally. And even if they really did not have any problems, they could at least send me a "Thanks, you saved my but" message. Jenda =========== Jenda@Krynicky.cz == http://Jenda.Krynicky.cz ========== There is a reason for living. There must be. I've seen it somewhere. It's just that in the mess on my table ... and in my brain. I can't find it. --- me --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From pgl at mini.instinct.org Wed Oct 24 12:00:18 2001 From: pgl at mini.instinct.org (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:46 2004 Subject: APM: Re: Fwd: Majordomo results In-Reply-To: <3BD71078.14149.137CD24@localhost>; from Jenda@Krynicky.cz on Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 07:03:20PM +0200 References: <3BD706A8.9875.11178AC@localhost>; <20011024181849.A90927@mini.instinct.org> <3BD71078.14149.137CD24@localhost> Message-ID: <20011024190017.A91129@mini.instinct.org> On Oct 24, Jenda Krynicky wrote: > > that could just mean that people aren't having any problems with it? > > I don't think that's likely. You always find shortcomings or > omissions if you use something. Plus even though I try to write > good documentation I'm sure I confuse things occasionally. perhaps you got it right this time? :-) > And even if they really did not have any problems, they could at > least send me a "Thanks, you saved my but" message. I think you have too much faith in the human race. afaict, we're mostly bastards. - peter. -- This is not the signature you are looking for. Move along. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From pgl at mini.instinct.org Thu Oct 25 16:38:56 2001 From: pgl at mini.instinct.org (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:46 2004 Subject: APM: people on this list Message-ID: <20011025233856.A98129@mini.instinct.org> jenda could you tell me exactly how many other people are on this list? cheers, peter. -- This is not the signature you are looking for. Move along. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From pgl at mini.instinct.org Sun Oct 28 11:21:20 2001 From: pgl at mini.instinct.org (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:46 2004 Subject: APM: feedback for module authors Message-ID: <20011028182120.A15018@mini.instinct.org> jenda, I'm sure you've seen this (it was on use.perl.org) but just in case you didn't already: http://makeashorterlink.com/?Z5CE32A1 since you were recently talking about not getting any feedback. cheers, peter. -- This is not the signature you are looking for. Move along. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From pgl at mini.instinct.org Sun Oct 28 13:04:43 2001 From: pgl at mini.instinct.org (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:46 2004 Subject: APM: feedback for module authors In-Reply-To: <3BDC6495.8089.163F4E49@localhost>; from Jenda@Krynicky.cz on Sun, Oct 28, 2001 at 08:03:33PM +0100 References: <3BDC57FB.15043.160E1348@localhost>; <20011028190837.A15277@mini.instinct.org> <3BDC6495.8089.163F4E49@localhost> Message-ID: <20011028200443.A15484@mini.instinct.org> On Oct 28, Jenda Krynicky wrote: > Except THEY do not want the feedback ... they'd claim the bugs > are features anyway. true... "no security? it's a FEATURE! we just want it to be easy to use!". I've just found out that my windows box is infected with the Hybris and Nimda viruses. I hardly use the machine for *anything* except playing day of the tentacle and checking websites in internet explorer for work, and I *still* got infected. amazing. (by the way, no, I don't have outlook installed. :-) > Well ... it seems that everybody left since nothing happened in the > list for months. So there are exactly 2 people subscribed at the > moment :-( would you mind if I tried to get people to join? I know of a few other perl programmers who live in prague... by the way, apparently my friend scott van wagenan has just got a job at tmp. say hello for me! - peter. -- This is not the signature you are looking for. Move along. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From pgl at mini.instinct.org Fri Nov 2 03:15:19 2001 From: pgl at mini.instinct.org (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:46 2004 Subject: APM: flat file storage Message-ID: <20011102101519.A42792@mini.instinct.org> can anyone recommend a decent flat file storage module? - peter. -- This is not the signature you are looking for. Move along. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From Jenda at Krynicky.cz Fri Nov 2 10:02:10 2001 From: Jenda at Krynicky.cz (Jenda Krynicky) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:46 2004 Subject: APM: flat file storage In-Reply-To: <20011102101519.A42792@mini.instinct.org> Message-ID: <3BE2D192.28154.DA4C57@localhost> > can anyone recommend a decent flat file storage module? > > - peter. Depends on what do you need this for. Maybe the best option would be DBD::CSV ... this would allow you to upgrade to a real database easily. Jenda P.S.: I think you'd get more suggestions in other lists. We both know there are very few people on this list. And I'd like to keep this list for discussion about meetings and similar stuff. Or questions in Czech .. for those whose english is too bad to use beginners@perl.org or comp.lang.perl.misc. =========== Jenda@Krynicky.cz == http://Jenda.Krynicky.cz ========== There is a reason for living. There must be. I've seen it somewhere. It's just that in the mess on my table ... and in my brain. I can't find it. --- me --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From pgl at mini.instinct.org Fri Nov 2 10:00:25 2001 From: pgl at mini.instinct.org (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:46 2004 Subject: APM: flat file storage In-Reply-To: <3BE2D192.28154.DA4C57@localhost>; from Jenda@Krynicky.cz on Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 05:02:10PM +0100 References: <20011102101519.A42792@mini.instinct.org> <3BE2D192.28154.DA4C57@localhost> Message-ID: <20011102170025.A44754@mini.instinct.org> On Nov 02, Jenda Krynicky wrote: > Maybe the best option would be DBD::CSV ... this would allow you > to upgrade to a real database easily. thanks. > P.S.: I think you'd get more suggestions in other lists. We both > know there are very few people on this list. And I'd like to keep this > list for discussion about meetings and similar stuff. Or questions in > Czech .. for those whose english is too bad to use > beginners@perl.org or comp.lang.perl.misc. ok! I was just trying to make conversation really (although I really did want a recommendation for a good module). :-) -- This is not the signature you are looking for. Move along. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From Jenda at Krynicky.cz Wed Nov 7 07:34:55 2001 From: Jenda at Krynicky.cz (Jenda Krynicky) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:46 2004 Subject: APM: Prvni setkani / First session Message-ID: <3BE9468F.26379.32B7835@localhost> (english version follows) Pomalicku se nam tu zacinaji schazet lidi, takze by bylo dobre usporadat prvni slezinu. Prvni navrh: pondeli 19.11. v restauraci "Doba" na namesti Miru (Metro >A<), 7 hodin vecer. Pokud nekomu nevyhovuje termin nebo misto, nebo ma nejaky jiny navrh ozvete se a muzeme to posunout a presunout. Ja muzu kdykoli. ================== Since people start to gather slowly I think we should try to arrange the first session. First suggestion: monday November 19th, restaurant "Doba" on namesti Miru (Metro >A<), 7pm If anyone doesn't like the place or date/time or has a better suggestion let us all know. This is just the first suggestion so it can be moved in time or in space ;-) I am (or rather "can be") free any time. Jenda == Jenda@Krynicky.cz == http://Jenda.Krynicky.cz == Always code as if the guy who ends up maintaining your code will be a violent psychopath who knows where you live. -- Rick Osborne, --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From pgl at mini.instinct.org Wed Nov 7 08:25:01 2001 From: pgl at mini.instinct.org (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:46 2004 Subject: APM: Prvni setkani / First session In-Reply-To: <3BE9468F.26379.32B7835@localhost>; from Jenda@Krynicky.cz on Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 02:34:55PM +0100 References: <3BE9468F.26379.32B7835@localhost> Message-ID: <20011107152501.B69466@mini.instinct.org> On Nov 07, Jenda Krynicky wrote: > Since people start to gather slowly I think we should try to arrange > the first session. > > First suggestion: monday November 19th, restaurant "Doba" on > namesti Miru (Metro >A<), 7pm > > If anyone doesn't like the place or date/time or has a better > suggestion let us all know. This is just the first suggestion so it > can be moved in time or in space ;-) > > I am (or rather "can be") free any time. > > Jenda hi jenda, what's the street name for doba? I want to look it up on mapy.cz or mapy.atlas.cz. namesti miru sounds good to me though. and hello! to everyone who's joined the list. :) cheers, peter. -- This is not the signature you are looking for. Move along. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From Jenda at Krynicky.cz Wed Nov 7 08:46:43 2001 From: Jenda at Krynicky.cz (Jenda Krynicky) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:47 2004 Subject: APM: Prvni setkani / First session In-Reply-To: <20011107152501.B69466@mini.instinct.org> References: <3BE9468F.26379.32B7835@localhost>; from Jenda@Krynicky.cz on Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 02:34:55PM +0100 Message-ID: <3BE95763.28197.36D32DD@localhost> From: Peter Lowe > On Nov 07, Jenda Krynicky wrote: > > Since people start to gather slowly I think we should try to arrange > > the first session. > > > > First suggestion: monday November 19th, restaurant "Doba" on > > namesti Miru (Metro >A<), 7pm > > > > If anyone doesn't like the place or date/time or has a better > > suggestion let us all know. This is just the first suggestion so it > > can be moved in time or in space ;-) > > > > I am (or rather "can be") free any time. > > > > Jenda > > hi jenda, > > what's the street name for doba? I want to look it up on mapy.cz or > mapy.atlas.cz. namesti miru sounds good to me though. Well ... it's directly on the square (I don't think the restaurant itself is in the database on mapy.atlas.cz.) It's on the east side of the square. On the side where the tram stop is. Jenda =========== Jenda@Krynicky.cz == http://Jenda.Krynicky.cz ========== There is a reason for living. There must be. I've seen it somewhere. It's just that in the mess on my table ... and in my brain. I can't find it. --- me --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From Jenda at Krynicky.cz Wed Nov 7 09:07:17 2001 From: Jenda at Krynicky.cz (Jenda Krynicky) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:47 2004 Subject: APM: Prvni setkani / First session In-Reply-To: <20011107154833.A69674@mini.instinct.org> References: <3BE95763.28197.36D32DD@localhost>; from Jenda@Krynicky.cz on Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 03:46:43PM +0100 Message-ID: <3BE95C35.3331.3800836@localhost> From: Peter Lowe > btw, I'm not sure about the 19th - is it a good idea having a meeting > on a monday?? Well ... think some people may want to leave Prague for weekend on friday. First I thought about thursday next week, but one (maybe not yet subscribed) monger who said he'd like to come is having holidays next week. As I said I don't mind what day of week it'll be, anything that fits most people. Jenda =========== Jenda@Krynicky.cz == http://Jenda.Krynicky.cz ========== There is a reason for living. There must be. I've seen it somewhere. It's just that in the mess on my table ... and in my brain. I can't find it. --- me --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From pgl at mini.instinct.org Wed Nov 7 09:05:45 2001 From: pgl at mini.instinct.org (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:47 2004 Subject: APM: Prvni setkani / First session In-Reply-To: <3BE95C35.3331.3800836@localhost>; from Jenda@Krynicky.cz on Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 04:07:17PM +0100 References: <3BE95763.28197.36D32DD@localhost>; <20011107154833.A69674@mini.instinct.org> <3BE95C35.3331.3800836@localhost> Message-ID: <20011107160545.A69800@mini.instinct.org> On Nov 07, Jenda Krynicky wrote: > From: Peter Lowe > > > btw, I'm not sure about the 19th - is it a good idea having a meeting > > on a monday?? > > Well ... think some people may want to leave Prague for weekend > on friday. First I thought about thursday next week, but one (maybe > not yet subscribed) monger who said he'd like to come is having > holidays next week. > > As I said I don't mind what day of week it'll be, anything that fits > most people. monday doesn't sound that bad really, but I thought it might to others. as long as there's beer. - peter. -- This is not the signature you are looking for. Move along. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From pgl at mini.instinct.org Fri Nov 9 17:00:21 2001 From: pgl at mini.instinct.org (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:47 2004 Subject: APM: prague.pm.org is down? Message-ID: <20011110000020.A3178@mini.instinct.org> http://prague.pm.org/ seems to be dead? jenda, can you restart apache please? :-) -- This is not the signature you are looking for. Move along. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From rsta at bach.cz Mon Nov 12 03:13:24 2001 From: rsta at bach.cz (Radomir Starostik) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:47 2004 Subject: APM: prvni session Message-ID: <15611533554.20011112101324@bach.cz> Dobry den, chci se zeptat je-li uz znam nejaky hotovejsi termin prvni session. Rad bych prijel, jsem ale z Olomouce takze by mi to sedelo spise v tydnu a potreboval bych to vedet nekolik dni predem. (ten prvni termin 19.11 je celkem OK) Diky Radek Starostik --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From Jenda at Krynicky.cz Thu Nov 15 02:17:11 2001 From: Jenda at Krynicky.cz (Jenda@Krynicky.cz) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:47 2004 Subject: APM: 1st session Message-ID: <20011115071930.VABA20904.smtpmail2@localhost> As Pete probably sent here I was taken to a hospital and wasn't sure I ll be able to come. Everything is OK now, I'm leaving today so I can come on monday! Jenda --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From pgl at mini.instinct.org Thu Nov 15 03:18:52 2001 From: pgl at mini.instinct.org (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:47 2004 Subject: APM: 1st session In-Reply-To: <20011115071930.VABA20904.smtpmail2@localhost>; from Jenda@Krynicky.cz on Thu, Nov 15, 2001 at 08:17:11AM -0000 References: <20011115071930.VABA20904.smtpmail2@localhost> Message-ID: <20011115101852.C5439@mini.instinct.org> On Nov 15, Jenda@Krynicky.cz wrote: > As Pete probably > sent here I was > taken to a > hospital and > wasn't sure I ll be > able to come. > Everything is OK > now, I'm leaving > today so I can > come on monday! > Jenda woah! no, I didn't post anything - I didn't know. good to hear you're ok! a omlouvam se pro muj spatne cesky. mluvim jenom frazy, ale dej me pivo a muzu mluvit moc lepsi. doufam ze vsichny to rozumi... - peter. -- This is not the signature you are looking for. Move along. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From litinoveweedle at quick.cz Thu Nov 15 03:55:22 2001 From: litinoveweedle at quick.cz (LiTinOveWeedle) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:47 2004 Subject: APM: 1st session References: <20011115071930.VABA20904.smtpmail2@localhost> <20011115101852.C5439@mini.instinct.org> Message-ID: <003c01c16dbb$a443c020$4400030a@core.cz> Pete I think that your czech is great, at least better than my english.. :-)) And don't worry about beer.... There should be enough beer for all of us... Also I was surprised what happened to Jenda. I hope that you are OK. We will meet on monday. Regards LiTinOveWeedle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 10:18 AM Subject: Re: APM: 1st session > On Nov 15, Jenda@Krynicky.cz wrote: > > As Pete probably > > sent here I was > > taken to a > > hospital and > > wasn't sure I ll be > > able to come. > > Everything is OK > > now, I'm leaving > > today so I can > > come on monday! > > Jenda > > woah! no, I didn't post anything - I didn't know. good to hear you're ok! > > a omlouvam se pro muj spatne cesky. mluvim jenom frazy, ale dej me pivo a > muzu mluvit moc lepsi. doufam ze vsichny to rozumi... > > - peter. > > -- > This is not the signature you are looking for. Move along. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org > with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From rsta at bach.cz Thu Nov 15 05:27:32 2001 From: rsta at bach.cz (Radomir Starostik) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:47 2004 Subject: APM: 1st session In-Reply-To: <20011115071930.VABA20904.smtpmail2@localhost> References: <20011115071930.VABA20904.smtpmail2@localhost> Message-ID: <59771600.20011115122732@bach.cz> > As Pete probably > sent here I was > taken to a > hospital and > wasn't sure I ll be > able to come. > Everything is OK > now, I'm leaving > today so I can > come on monday! > Jenda Takze ten pondelek plati ? Radek Starostik --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From Jenda at Krynicky.cz Sun Nov 18 14:30:24 2001 From: Jenda at Krynicky.cz (Jenda Krynicky) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:47 2004 Subject: APM: 1st session In-Reply-To: <20011115101852.C5439@mini.instinct.org> References: <20011115071930.VABA20904.smtpmail2@localhost>; from Jenda@Krynicky.cz on Thu, Nov 15, 2001 at 08:17:11AM -0000 Message-ID: <3BF82870.27691.5D4B67@localhost> From: Peter Lowe > On Nov 15, Jenda@Krynicky.cz wrote: > > As Pete probably > > sent here I was > > taken to a > > hospital and > > wasn't sure I ll be > > able to come. > > Everything is OK > > now, I'm leaving > > today so I can > > come on monday! > > Jenda > > woah! no, I didn't post anything - I didn't know. good to hear you're > ok! I asked one of my coleagues at work to ask Scott to tell you. Never mind. It's all right now, so see you all on monday. Jenda =========== Jenda@Krynicky.cz == http://Jenda.Krynicky.cz ========== There is a reason for living. There must be. I've seen it somewhere. It's just that in the mess on my table ... and in my brain. I can't find it. --- me --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From Jenda at Krynicky.cz Sun Nov 18 14:30:24 2001 From: Jenda at Krynicky.cz (Jenda Krynicky) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:47 2004 Subject: APM: 1st session In-Reply-To: <59771600.20011115122732@bach.cz> References: <20011115071930.VABA20904.smtpmail2@localhost> Message-ID: <3BF82870.32750.5D4C25@localhost> > > As Pete probably > > sent here I was > > taken to a > > hospital and > > wasn't sure I ll be > > able to come. > > Everything is OK > > now, I'm leaving > > today so I can > > come on monday! > > Jenda > > Takze ten pondelek plati ? > > Radek Starostik Ano pondelek plati. Doufam, ze se nas tam par sejde :-) Jenda =========== Jenda@Krynicky.cz == http://Jenda.Krynicky.cz ========== There is a reason for living. There must be. I've seen it somewhere. It's just that in the mess on my table ... and in my brain. I can't find it. --- me --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From Jenda at Krynicky.cz Mon Nov 19 04:10:55 2001 From: Jenda at Krynicky.cz (Jenda Krynicky) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:47 2004 Subject: APM: Prague.pm 1st session notification Message-ID: <3BF8E8BF.22889.34C7F19@localhost> This is just to notify everybody that the first session of Prague Perl Mongers wil take place today at 7pm at Restaurant "Doba" on Namesti Miru (Metro line A) (It's right on the square, on the same side as the tram stop.) I'll put a "Prague.pm" note on the table. See you all there, Jenda :-) == Jenda@Krynicky.cz == http://Jenda.Krynicky.cz == : What do people think? What, do people think? :-) -- Larry Wall in <199808071736.KAA12738@wall.org> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From pgl at mini.instinct.org Mon Nov 19 06:12:34 2001 From: pgl at mini.instinct.org (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:47 2004 Subject: APM: Prague.pm 1st session notification In-Reply-To: <3BF8E8BF.22889.34C7F19@localhost>; from Jenda@Krynicky.cz on Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 11:10:55AM +0100 References: <3BF8E8BF.22889.34C7F19@localhost> Message-ID: <20011119131234.B36267@mini.instinct.org> On Nov 19, Jenda Krynicky wrote: > This is just to notify everybody that the first session of Prague Perl > Mongers wil take place today at 7pm at Restaurant "Doba" on Namesti > Miru (Metro line A) (It's right on the square, on the same side as the > tram stop.) > > I'll put a "Prague.pm" note on the table. > > See you all there, Jenda :-) see you there! - peter. -- This is not the signature you are looking for. Move along. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From pgl at mini.instinct.org Mon Nov 19 06:13:23 2001 From: pgl at mini.instinct.org (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:47 2004 Subject: APM: Prague.pm 1st session notification In-Reply-To: <3BF8E8BF.22889.34C7F19@localhost>; from Jenda@Krynicky.cz on Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 11:10:55AM +0100 References: <3BF8E8BF.22889.34C7F19@localhost> Message-ID: <20011119131323.C36267@mini.instinct.org> oh, by the way, I might be a bit late but not much. - peter. -- This is not the signature you are looking for. Move along. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From Jenda at Krynicky.cz Mon Nov 19 07:06:23 2001 From: Jenda at Krynicky.cz (Jenda Krynicky) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:47 2004 Subject: APM: Prague.pm 1st session notification In-Reply-To: <20011119131323.C36267@mini.instinct.org> References: <3BF8E8BF.22889.34C7F19@localhost>; from Jenda@Krynicky.cz on Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 11:10:55AM +0100 Message-ID: <3BF911DF.20974.3ED2382@localhost> From: Peter Lowe > oh, by the way, I might be a bit late but not much. > > - peter. No problem. I'll come a bit earlier so that I'm already there when you start coming. And BTW ... the kitchen in Doba is really good ! I'm definitely going to have dinner there ;-) Jenda =========== Jenda@Krynicky.cz == http://Jenda.Krynicky.cz ========== There is a reason for living. There must be. I've seen it somewhere. It's just that in the mess on my table ... and in my brain. I can't find it. --- me --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From pgl at mini.instinct.org Mon Nov 19 13:22:56 2001 From: pgl at mini.instinct.org (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:47 2004 Subject: APM: arg! Message-ID: <20011119202256.A38744@mini.instinct.org> ARG! someone LET ME OUT! -- This is not the signature you are looking for. Move along. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From pgl at mini.instinct.org Tue Nov 20 02:55:54 2001 From: pgl at mini.instinct.org (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:47 2004 Subject: APM: :( Message-ID: <20011120095553.A41742@mini.instinct.org> hello, I'm really really sorry I didn't make it last night, especially after making the effort to try and get prague.pm together in the first place. how did it go? will there be another meeting anytime soon? (how about next week? :) - peter. -- This is not the signature you are looking for. Move along. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From Jenda at Krynicky.cz Tue Nov 20 08:41:33 2001 From: Jenda at Krynicky.cz (Jenda Krynicky) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:47 2004 Subject: APM: :( In-Reply-To: <20011120095553.A41742@mini.instinct.org> Message-ID: <3BFA79AD.12601.6A925A@localhost> > I'm really really sorry I didn't make it last night, especially after > making the effort to try and get prague.pm together in the first place. > how did it go? will there be another meeting anytime soon? (how about > next week? :) > > - peter. I think everybody will agree if I say it was pretty good :-) We spent most time talking about things not directly related to Perl, but it definitely was fun. I don't mind having another session next week, but I think it's a bit too early. I though we could meet again next month, that seems like a reasonable delay. If you think otherwise, just say so. I don't mind meeting more often. Jenda =========== Jenda@Krynicky.cz == http://Jenda.Krynicky.cz ========== There is a reason for living. There must be. I've seen it somewhere. It's just that in the mess on my table ... and in my brain. I can't find it. --- me --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From fatvamp at hj-computers.de Sun Nov 25 05:52:16 2001 From: fatvamp at hj-computers.de (Your Friend) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:47 2004 Subject: APM: :( In-Reply-To: <3BFA79AD.12601.6A925A@localhost>; from Jenda@Krynicky.cz on Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 03:41:33PM +0100 References: <20011120095553.A41742@mini.instinct.org> <3BFA79AD.12601.6A925A@localhost> Message-ID: <20011125125216.A14764@hj-computers.de> On Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 03:41:33PM +0100, Jenda Krynicky wrote: > I think everybody will agree if I say it was pretty good :-) > We spent most time talking about things not directly related to > Perl, but it definitely was fun. I don't mind having another session > next week, but I think it's a bit too early. I though we could meet > again next month, that seems like a reasonable delay. > If you think otherwise, just say so. I don't mind meeting more often. While I also think, that a meeting once in a month is the right schedule, I?m of course very sad, that I couldn?t attend to the first prague.pm meeting. >From other communities (Linux User Groups, BBS Users, Chatters etc.) there always was a clear schedule stating something like "We meet every first of the month at ." It is easy to remember, guarantees to happen at a fixed day of the week and serves the purpose, that one gets known at . I think we should copy this, so the next meeting would be somewhere in the first week of december - thus less delay to the last meeting - but then once a month. Comments? Bye Richard --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From Jenda at Krynicky.cz Sun Nov 25 12:13:26 2001 From: Jenda at Krynicky.cz (Jenda Krynicky) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:47 2004 Subject: APM: :( In-Reply-To: <20011125125216.A14764@hj-computers.de> References: <3BFA79AD.12601.6A925A@localhost>; from Jenda@Krynicky.cz on Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 03:41:33PM +0100 Message-ID: <3C0142D6.18145.139EA185@localhost> From: Your Friend > From other communities (Linux User Groups, BBS Users, Chatters etc.) > there always was a clear schedule stating something like > > "We meet every first of the month at ." > > It is easy to remember, guarantees to happen at a fixed day of the > week and serves the purpose, that one gets known at . I agree completely. > I think we should copy this, so the next meeting would be somewhere in > the first week of december - thus less delay to the last meeting - but > then once a month. Fine. What day of week would everyone prefer? I am free any day, but would prefer if we did not meet on Friday. Also, I have something very early in the morning on Thursday, so Wednesday is also not the perfect day. But I don't mind that much. Would anyone prefer another week of month? I don't care. Where? Does anyone have any suggestions? I think the Doba is quite good, but if anyone knows something better we can relocate. :-) Please let me know ! Jenda =========== Jenda@Krynicky.cz == http://Jenda.Krynicky.cz ========== There is a reason for living. There must be. I've seen it somewhere. It's just that in the mess on my table ... and in my brain. I can't find it. --- me --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From fatvamp at hj-computers.de Mon Nov 26 03:07:18 2001 From: fatvamp at hj-computers.de (Your Friend) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:47 2004 Subject: APM: :( In-Reply-To: <3C0142D6.18145.139EA185@localhost>; from Jenda@Krynicky.cz on Sun, Nov 25, 2001 at 07:13:26PM +0100 References: <3BFA79AD.12601.6A925A@localhost>; <20011125125216.A14764@hj-computers.de> <3C0142D6.18145.139EA185@localhost> Message-ID: <20011126100718.A20771@hj-computers.de> On Sun, Nov 25, 2001 at 07:13:26PM +0100, Jenda Krynicky wrote: > What day of week would everyone prefer? > > I am free any day, but would prefer if we did not meet on Friday. > Also, I have something very early in the morning on Thursday, > so Wednesday is also not the perfect day. But I don't mind that > much. > > Would anyone prefer another week of month? > > I don't care. > > Where? Does anyone have any suggestions? > > I think the Doba is quite good, but if anyone knows something > better we can relocate. :-) I don?t know doba, so I?d like to see it. Alas - I would prefer a location, where I could park, because I use to come with the car. :-) Monday/Tuesday are ok for me. Bye Richard --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From pgl at mini.instinct.org Wed Nov 28 03:44:14 2001 From: pgl at mini.instinct.org (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:47 2004 Subject: APM: so... Message-ID: <20011128104414.A2599@mini.instinct.org> so... how monday next week, and then the first monday of every month? (unless there's something special happening, like in january when it'll be new year's day. :) I'm happy with any other day really, although I agree fridays would probably be best left free. as for a place, I don't know what doba's like but again I'm not particularly bothered where it is, as long as they have beer and maybe something to eat. by the way, what does doba mean? cheers, peter. -- This is not the signature you are looking for. Move along. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From Jenda at Krynicky.cz Wed Nov 28 06:12:36 2001 From: Jenda at Krynicky.cz (Jenda Krynicky) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:47 2004 Subject: APM: so... In-Reply-To: <20011128104414.A2599@mini.instinct.org> Message-ID: <3C04E2C4.11216.D44CDFE@localhost> Peter wrote: > so... how monday next week, and then the first monday of every month? > (unless there's something special happening, like in january when > it'll be new year's day. :) I think that sounds OK. First working monday in every month. > as for a place, I don't know what doba's like but again I'm not > particularly bothered where it is, as long as they have beer and maybe > something to eat. There is. The kitchen there is quite good :-) > by the way, what does doba mean? Erm ... my dictionary gives a lot of meanings ... all related to time though : date, epoch, period, term, while, hour, time, ocassion Jenda =========== Jenda@Krynicky.cz == http://Jenda.Krynicky.cz ========== There is a reason for living. There must be. I've seen it somewhere. It's just that in the mess on my table ... and in my brain. I can't find it. --- me --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From lzap at bach.cz Thu Nov 29 03:59:49 2001 From: lzap at bach.cz (Lukas Zapletal) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:47 2004 Subject: APM: clanky o Perlu Message-ID: <6710643975.20011129105949@bach.cz> Zdravim PM! Chtel bych jenom upozornit vsechny cleny PM ze momentalne pisi serii clanku o Perlu. Budou vychazet na severu www.root.cz (prvni dil vysel minuly tyden). Snazim se tak strhnout na nasi stranu potencionalni PM ;-) Regards Lukas Zapletal [lzap@bach.cz] web programmer Bach systems Ltd., Czech Republic ----------- PGP FINGERPRINT ------------ 4BA4ECA3EDE9608558646ABBA14259E3459FA0B4 --------------- COOKIE ----------------- We are using Linux daily to UP our productivity -- so UP yours, Microsoft! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From Jenda at Krynicky.cz Thu Nov 29 06:11:46 2001 From: Jenda at Krynicky.cz (Jenda Krynicky) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:47 2004 Subject: APM: clanky o Perlu In-Reply-To: <6710643975.20011129105949@bach.cz> Message-ID: <3C063412.11255.126A67B7@localhost> > Chtel bych jenom upozornit vsechny cleny PM ze momentalne pisi serii > clanku o Perlu. Budou vychazet na severu www.root.cz (prvni dil vysel > minuly tyden). > > Snazim se tak strhnout na nasi stranu potencionalni PM ;-) > > Regards > > Lukas Zapletal [lzap@bach.cz] Fajn :-) Treba se to podari trosku rozhejbat! Jenda =========== Jenda@Krynicky.cz == http://Jenda.Krynicky.cz ========== There is a reason for living. There must be. I've seen it somewhere. It's just that in the mess on my table ... and in my brain. I can't find it. --- me --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From Jenda at Krynicky.cz Thu Nov 29 08:07:00 2001 From: Jenda at Krynicky.cz (Jenda Krynicky) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:47 2004 Subject: APM: Second Session Message-ID: <3C064F14.21143.12D3E6D5@localhost> Since noone suggested anything else I've booked a table in Doba for Monday 3th at 7pm. Hope to see you all there :-) In case you think one table will not be enough please let me know so I can book some more ;-) Vzhledem k tomu, ze nikdo nenavrhl nic jineho zarezervoval jsem stul v Dobe na tretiho od 19:00. Doufam, ze to vsem vyhovuje :-) Pokud vite o vetsim poctu lidi kteri chteli prijit dejte mi vedet at muzu prirezervovat vic mista ;-) Jenda =========== Jenda@Krynicky.cz == http://Jenda.Krynicky.cz ========== There is a reason for living. There must be. I've seen it somewhere. It's just that in the mess on my table ... and in my brain. I can't find it. --- me --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From pgl at mini.instinct.org Mon Dec 3 10:19:33 2001 From: pgl at mini.instinct.org (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:48 2004 Subject: APM: tonight Message-ID: <20011203171932.A4525@mini.instinct.org> I'll be there tonight... anyone else going? - peter. -- This is not the signature you are looking for. Move along. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From Jenda at Krynicky.cz Mon Dec 3 10:54:25 2001 From: Jenda at Krynicky.cz (Jenda Krynicky) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:48 2004 Subject: APM: tonight In-Reply-To: <20011203171932.A4525@mini.instinct.org> Message-ID: <3C0BBC51.28142.144B32C1@localhost> > I'll be there tonight... anyone else going? > > - peter. I hope so. I'm going as well of course. Jenda =========== Jenda@Krynicky.cz == http://Jenda.Krynicky.cz ========== There is a reason for living. There must be. I've seen it somewhere. It's just that in the mess on my table ... and in my brain. I can't find it. --- me --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From fatvamp at hj-computers.de Mon Dec 3 11:45:47 2001 From: fatvamp at hj-computers.de (Your Friend) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:48 2004 Subject: APM: tonight In-Reply-To: <3C0BBC51.28142.144B32C1@localhost>; from Jenda@Krynicky.cz on Mon, Dec 03, 2001 at 05:54:25PM +0100 References: <20011203171932.A4525@mini.instinct.org> <3C0BBC51.28142.144B32C1@localhost> Message-ID: <20011203184547.A18528@hj-computers.de> On Mon, Dec 03, 2001 at 05:54:25PM +0100, Jenda Krynicky wrote: > > I'll be there tonight... anyone else going? I?m just on the way... Bye Richard --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From pgl at mini.instinct.org Tue Dec 4 05:44:37 2001 From: pgl at mini.instinct.org (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:48 2004 Subject: APM: last night Message-ID: <20011204124437.A9632@mini.instinct.org> it was nice to meet you, jenda and richard! shame more people didn't turn up (*AHEM*) but still, next time maybe... I promise to TRY and be less argumentative. :) cheers, - peter. -- This is not the signature you are looking for. Move along. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From rsta at bach.cz Tue Dec 4 06:48:11 2001 From: rsta at bach.cz (Radomir Starostik) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:48 2004 Subject: APM: 2nd session Message-ID: <7819090620.20011204134811@bach.cz> Hi, I visited the first session. Now I wasn't able to come, because I am from Olomouc. Can anyone tell me (in short of course) about what was the discussion? Radek --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From Jenda at Krynicky.cz Tue Dec 4 07:51:17 2001 From: Jenda at Krynicky.cz (Jenda Krynicky) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:48 2004 Subject: APM: last night In-Reply-To: <20011204124437.A9632@mini.instinct.org> Message-ID: <3C0CE2E5.7862.18C9E3C5@localhost> From: Peter Lowe > it was nice to meet you, jenda and richard! shame more people didn't > turn up (*AHEM*) but still, next time maybe... I promise to TRY and be > less argumentative. :) Please don't ! ;-) Jenda =========== Jenda@Krynicky.cz == http://Jenda.Krynicky.cz ========== There is a reason for living. There must be. I've seen it somewhere. It's just that in the mess on my table ... and in my brain. I can't find it. --- me --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From pgl at mini.instinct.org Tue Dec 4 07:47:20 2001 From: pgl at mini.instinct.org (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:48 2004 Subject: Fwd: Re: APM: 2nd session Message-ID: <20011204144720.A10052@mini.instinct.org> oops, forgot to cc: this to the list. ----- Forwarded message from Peter Lowe ----- Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 13:54:50 +0100 From: Peter Lowe To: Radomir Starostik Subject: Re: APM: 2nd session Reply-To: pgl@mini.instinct.org On Dec 04, Radomir Starostik wrote: > Hi, > I visited the first session. Now I wasn't able to come, because I am > from Olomouc. Can anyone tell me (in short of course) about what was the > discussion? > > Radek hi radek, we talked quite a bit about ai, since richard is doing his dissertation on it, and programming languages in general. I asked lots of annoying questions, since both jenda and richard know lots more than me about, well, most things I think... it was very interesting for me personally - I learnt quite a bit. :) - peter. -- This is not the signature you are looking for. Move along. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- This is not the signature you are looking for. Move along. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From fatvamp at hj-computers.de Tue Dec 4 08:28:46 2001 From: fatvamp at hj-computers.de (Your Friend) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:48 2004 Subject: APM: last night In-Reply-To: <20011204124437.A9632@mini.instinct.org>; from pgl@mini.instinct.org on Tue, Dec 04, 2001 at 12:44:37PM +0100 References: <20011204124437.A9632@mini.instinct.org> Message-ID: <20011204152846.A25829@hj-computers.de> On Tue, Dec 04, 2001 at 12:44:37PM +0100, Peter Lowe wrote: > it was nice to meet you, jenda and richard! shame more people didn't > turn up (*AHEM*) but still, next time maybe... I promise to TRY and be > less argumentative. :) Actually I still don?t know whether you want to tease us with the "excuse me asking stupid questions" or make fun of us. I thought about 2 questions of you even today morning. One of them perfectly *answered* a question I was very afraid of (complexity of generated "things" compared to the complexity of the things that generate them) The second - about knowledge representation... well I think your suggestion is a horrible stupid way to represent knowledge, but it may be the solution to aquire knowledge and mark it as "default" (what Jenda remarked). Later in the night I read about "frames" for knowledge representation which is considered to be the nonplusultra in knowledge representation and which is nothing more, than semantical networks with default values attached to the nodes. I?ll give it more CPU-time in my head... Bye Richard --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From pgl at mini.instinct.org Tue Dec 4 09:27:02 2001 From: pgl at mini.instinct.org (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:48 2004 Subject: APM: last night In-Reply-To: <20011204152846.A25829@hj-computers.de> References: <20011204124437.A9632@mini.instinct.org> <20011204152846.A25829@hj-computers.de> Message-ID: <20011204162702.A10182@mini.instinct.org> On Dec 04, Your Friend wrote: > On Tue, Dec 04, 2001 at 12:44:37PM +0100, Peter Lowe wrote: > > it was nice to meet you, jenda and richard! shame more people didn't > > turn up (*AHEM*) but still, next time maybe... I promise to TRY and be > > less argumentative. :) > > Actually I still don?t know whether you want to tease us with the > "excuse me asking stupid questions" or make fun of us. nono, I'm not making fun of anybody! seriously, when I think about the fact that you're writing your dissertation on the subject, it seems that most of the things I was asking about must have been pretty basic. it was a very interesting discussion for me though. :) > I thought about 2 questions of you even today morning. One of them > perfectly *answered* a question I was very afraid of (complexity of > generated "things" compared to the complexity of the things that > generate them) > > The second - about knowledge representation... well I think your > suggestion is a horrible stupid way to represent knowledge, but it may > be the solution to aquire knowledge and mark it as "default" (what > Jenda remarked). Later in the night I read about "frames" for > knowledge representation which is considered to be the nonplusultra in > knowledge representation and which is nothing more, than semantical > networks with default values attached to the nodes. I?ll give it more > CPU-time in my head... :) can you recommend any good introductory material I could read on the web? cheers, peter. -- This is not the signature you are looking for. Move along. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From pgl at mini.instinct.org Wed Dec 12 07:36:05 2001 From: pgl at mini.instinct.org (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:48 2004 Subject: APM: inviting a guru Message-ID: <20011212143605.A38388@mini.instinct.org> what do other people think of trying to use the perl mongers invite-a-guru service? http://www.pm.org/invite-a-guru.shtml my vote would go for damian conway or mark jason dominus. -- This is not the signature you are looking for. Move along. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From Jenda at Krynicky.cz Thu Dec 13 05:54:46 2001 From: Jenda at Krynicky.cz (Jenda Krynicky) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:48 2004 Subject: APM: inviting a guru In-Reply-To: <20011212143605.A38388@mini.instinct.org> Message-ID: <3C18A516.20906.17DE9DD8@localhost> > what do other people think of trying to use the perl mongers > invite-a-guru service? > > http://www.pm.org/invite-a-guru.shtml > > my vote would go for damian conway or mark jason dominus. Well I'd definitely like to talk to MJD face to face at last :-) Not sure this is workable though, we're quite far from Philadelpia. And I don't know where is damian from, but I bet it's somewhere in the US as well. Maybe if Jan Dubois (ActiveState) visits his homeland (he's from Germany) he could have time to come. Which would definitely be great as well. Now ... who's gonna contact the gurus? I've talked a few times with MJD, Jan Dubois, Gurusamy Sarathy, but I don't really know them on personal basis. Jenda =========== Jenda@Krynicky.cz == http://Jenda.Krynicky.cz ========== There is a reason for living. There must be. I've seen it somewhere. It's just that in the mess on my table ... and in my brain. I can't find it. --- me --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From pgl at mini.instinct.org Thu Dec 13 06:38:59 2001 From: pgl at mini.instinct.org (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:48 2004 Subject: APM: inviting a guru In-Reply-To: <3C18A516.20906.17DE9DD8@localhost> References: <20011212143605.A38388@mini.instinct.org> <3C18A516.20906.17DE9DD8@localhost> Message-ID: <20011213133859.B2083@mini.instinct.org> On Dec 13, Jenda Krynicky wrote: > Well I'd definitely like to talk to MJD face to face at last :-) > > Not sure this is workable though, we're quite far from Philadelpia. > And I don't know where is damian from, but I bet it's somewhere in > the US as well. > > Maybe if Jan Dubois (ActiveState) visits his homeland (he's from > Germany) he could have time to come. Which would definitely be > great as well. > > Now ... who's gonna contact the gurus? I've talked a few times with > MJD, Jan Dubois, Gurusamy Sarathy, but I don't really know them > on personal basis. well, you *are* the "group leader"... :) -- This is not the signature you are looking for. Move along. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From Jenda at Krynicky.cz Thu Dec 13 07:28:43 2001 From: Jenda at Krynicky.cz (Jenda Krynicky) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:48 2004 Subject: APM: inviting a guru In-Reply-To: <20011213133859.B2083@mini.instinct.org> References: <3C18A516.20906.17DE9DD8@localhost> Message-ID: <3C18BB1B.10183.1834A27E@localhost> From: Peter Lowe > On Dec 13, Jenda Krynicky wrote: > > Well I'd definitely like to talk to MJD face to face at last :-) > > > > Not sure this is workable though, we're quite far from Philadelpia. > > And I don't know where is damian from, but I bet it's somewhere in > > the US as well. > > > > Maybe if Jan Dubois (ActiveState) visits his homeland (he's from > > Germany) he could have time to come. Which would definitely be great > > as well. > > > > Now ... who's gonna contact the gurus? I've talked a few times with > > MJD, Jan Dubois, Gurusamy Sarathy, but I don't really know them on > > personal basis. > > well, you *are* the "group leader"... :) I KNEW someone will say that :-) OK, I'll ask Jan & MJD. Jenda P.S.: Pro nove prichozi ... jasne ze se tu mluvi i cesky. Ve skutecnosti jediny clovek ktery tu neumi poradne cesky je Pete. Takze hlavne pokud zacne on tak se tu mluvi anglicky. Apropos vitam vsechny nove prichozi ! =========== Jenda@Krynicky.cz == http://Jenda.Krynicky.cz ========== There is a reason for living. There must be. I've seen it somewhere. It's just that in the mess on my table ... and in my brain. I can't find it. --- me --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From pgl at mini.instinct.org Thu Dec 13 07:32:45 2001 From: pgl at mini.instinct.org (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:48 2004 Subject: APM: inviting a guru In-Reply-To: <3C18BB1B.10183.1834A27E@localhost> References: <3C18A516.20906.17DE9DD8@localhost> <3C18BB1B.10183.1834A27E@localhost> Message-ID: <20011213143245.A2503@mini.instinct.org> On Dec 13, Jenda Krynicky wrote: > From: Peter Lowe > > On Dec 13, Jenda Krynicky wrote: > > > Well I'd definitely like to talk to MJD face to face at last :-) > > > > > > Not sure this is workable though, we're quite far from Philadelpia. > > > And I don't know where is damian from, but I bet it's somewhere in > > > the US as well. > > > > > > Maybe if Jan Dubois (ActiveState) visits his homeland (he's from > > > Germany) he could have time to come. Which would definitely be great > > > as well. > > > > > > Now ... who's gonna contact the gurus? I've talked a few times with > > > MJD, Jan Dubois, Gurusamy Sarathy, but I don't really know them on > > > personal basis. > > > > well, you *are* the "group leader"... :) > > I KNEW someone will say that :-) :) > OK, I'll ask Jan & MJD. we could ask damian conway as well? he said in that interview on pair.com (http://insider.pair.com) that he spends lots of his time flying round the world, so maybe he'll be close by at some point? > P.S.: Pro nove prichozi ... jasne ze se tu mluvi i cesky. Ve > skutecnosti jediny clovek ktery tu neumi poradne cesky je Pete. > Takze hlavne pokud zacne on tak se tu mluvi anglicky. > > Apropos vitam vsechny nove prichozi ! ah, jo, sorry. muj cestina je na nic. put some disclaimer in the sig or something :) -- This is not the signature you are looking for. Move along. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From short at ucw.cz Thu Dec 13 07:45:34 2001 From: short at ucw.cz (Jan Kratochvil) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:48 2004 Subject: Dalsi sraz nadoraz [WAS: Re: APM: inviting a guru] In-Reply-To: <3C18BB1B.10183.1834A27E@localhost> References: <3C18A516.20906.17DE9DD8@localhost> <3C18BB1B.10183.1834A27E@localhost> Message-ID: <20011213144534.A11350@short.ucw.cz> On Thu, Dec 13, 2001 at 02:28:43PM +0100, Jenda Krynicky wrote: ... > P.S.: Pro nove prichozi ... jasne ze se tu mluvi i cesky. Aha, I expected Czech lang. was already retreated here as the useless obsolete compatibility cludge. Anyway, na kdy je planovany dalsi 'sraz'? Dle planu je 7.1.2002 (pondeli), akorat to neni explicitne uvedeno na http://prague.pm.org/ . Prague.pm jsem si totiz vsiml teprve ted (linkem ze /. na interview s linkem na web s linkem). Nazdar, perlici Lace --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From Jenda at Krynicky.cz Thu Dec 13 08:12:23 2001 From: Jenda at Krynicky.cz (Jenda Krynicky) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:48 2004 Subject: Dalsi sraz nadoraz [WAS: Re: APM: inviting a guru] In-Reply-To: <20011213144534.A11350@short.ucw.cz> References: <3C18BB1B.10183.1834A27E@localhost> Message-ID: <3C18C557.19306.185C9C95@localhost> From: Jan Kratochvil > On Thu, Dec 13, 2001 at 02:28:43PM +0100, Jenda Krynicky wrote: > ... > > P.S.: Pro nove prichozi ... jasne ze se tu mluvi i cesky. > > Aha, I expected Czech lang. was already retreated here as the useless > obsolete compatibility cludge. Well ... it could be viewed as such ... at least in the area of computers. But I somehow ... like the language. And would hate it to disappear ;-) > Anyway, na kdy je planovany dalsi 'sraz'? Dle planu je 7.1.2002 > (pondeli), akorat to neni explicitne uvedeno na http://prague.pm.org/ > . Prague.pm jsem si totiz vsiml teprve ted (linkem ze /. na interview > s linkem na web s linkem). Presne tak, 7.1. Ja to tam hodim. Jenda =========== Jenda@Krynicky.cz == http://Jenda.Krynicky.cz ========== There is a reason for living. There must be. I've seen it somewhere. It's just that in the mess on my table ... and in my brain. I can't find it. --- me --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From rsta at bach.cz Thu Dec 13 08:43:11 2001 From: rsta at bach.cz (Radomir Starostik) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:48 2004 Subject: APM: damian's origin Message-ID: <2826593769.20011213154311@bach.cz> > And I don't know where is damian from, but I bet it's somewhere in > the US as well. Damian is even from Australia :-) Radek --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From rsta at bach.cz Fri Dec 14 04:04:58 2001 From: rsta at bach.cz (Radomir Starostik) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:48 2004 Subject: APM: inviting a guru In-Reply-To: <20011213143245.A2503@mini.instinct.org> References: <3C18A516.20906.17DE9DD8@localhost> <3C18BB1B.10183.1834A27E@localhost> <20011213143245.A2503@mini.instinct.org> Message-ID: <1396301223.20011214110458@bach.cz> Once more about gurus. Inviting of the foreigner guru can be difficult and can require some organization work. Let's try it first at the local level. I think that if we'll be able to specified several interesting themas, we can find some . Jenda what do you think about it :-) ? Radek --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From pgl at mini.instinct.org Fri Dec 14 04:01:46 2001 From: pgl at mini.instinct.org (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:48 2004 Subject: APM: inviting a guru In-Reply-To: <1396301223.20011214110458@bach.cz> References: <3C18A516.20906.17DE9DD8@localhost> <3C18BB1B.10183.1834A27E@localhost> <20011213143245.A2503@mini.instinct.org> <1396301223.20011214110458@bach.cz> Message-ID: <20011214110146.A7548@mini.instinct.org> On Dec 14, Radomir Starostik wrote: > Once more about gurus. > Inviting of the foreigner guru can be difficult and can require some > organization work. Let's try it first at the local level. > I think that if we'll be able to specified several interesting themas, > we can find some . Jenda what do you think about it :-) ? well, it would be nice to have some kind of guru give us a talk, but the reason I suggested it in the first place is because perl mongers have an actual invite-a-guru service: http://www.pm.org/invite-a-guru.shtml but sure, who were you thinking of? - peter. -- This is not the signature you are looking for. Move along. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From rsta at bach.cz Fri Dec 14 04:19:19 2001 From: rsta at bach.cz (Radomir Starostik) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:48 2004 Subject: APM: inviting a guru In-Reply-To: <20011214110146.A7548@mini.instinct.org> References: <3C18A516.20906.17DE9DD8@localhost> <3C18BB1B.10183.1834A27E@localhost> <20011213143245.A2503@mini.instinct.org> <1396301223.20011214110458@bach.cz> <20011214110146.A7548@mini.instinct.org> Message-ID: <7897161971.20011214111919@bach.cz> > but sure, who were you thinking of? Prague mongers are in the begining and we don't know much about ourselves. I personnaly think that Jenda is the good adept. Let's select first some interesting topics and we'll see. Radek --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From Jenda at Krynicky.cz Fri Dec 14 06:02:43 2001 From: Jenda at Krynicky.cz (Jenda Krynicky) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:48 2004 Subject: APM: inviting a guru In-Reply-To: <7897161971.20011214111919@bach.cz> References: <20011214110146.A7548@mini.instinct.org> Message-ID: <3C19F873.13562.1D0C4169@localhost> From: Radomir Starostik > Prague mongers are in the begining and we don't know much about > ourselves. I personnaly think that Jenda is the good adept. Let's > select first some interesting topics and we'll see. Thanks ;-) Well choose a topic and I'll prepare the talk ;-) Of course as long as it's somewhere in the area I worked in already. So no Apache/mod_perl, no Tk, no Unix administration, ... Another almost local guru would be Jan Pazdziora, from Brno. I missed his talk on AxKit (http://www.axkit.org/) on YAPC::Europe so maybe ... There's a little problem though. I don't think Doba is a good place for anything like that, we'd need to be separated from other guests. So that they do not disturb us, and we don't disturb them. Does anyone have a suggestion? Jenda P.S.: I've thought about my being a guru just last evening, and I think that I'm something like a teacher in the first grade. For the little kids I look big, mighty and knowledgeable. I seem to have an answer to any of their questions, to be able to help with anything. But as they grow and learn and start to specialize, they find out I don't really know much, and I don't look as big as I did before either. So I think I might look as a guru to firstgraders, as a fellow to highschoolers, but I'm way down below the university guys. Which of course thanks to the friendly nature of Perl community doesn't mean the university guys overlook me or that I can't help them now and then. If they overlook something, or don't have time to do something, or simply by lessening their burden by helping those I can. == Jenda@Krynicky.cz == http://Jenda.Krynicky.cz == Always code as if the guy who ends up maintaining your code will be a violent psychopath who knows where you live. -- Rick Osborne, --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From fatvamp at hj-computers.de Fri Dec 14 10:52:17 2001 From: fatvamp at hj-computers.de (Your Friend) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:48 2004 Subject: Dalsi sraz nadoraz [WAS: Re: APM: inviting a guru] In-Reply-To: <3C18C557.19306.185C9C95@localhost>; from Jenda@Krynicky.cz on Thu, Dec 13, 2001 at 03:12:23PM +0100 References: <3C18BB1B.10183.1834A27E@localhost> <20011213144534.A11350@short.ucw.cz> <3C18C557.19306.185C9C95@localhost> Message-ID: <20011214175217.B17120@hj-computers.de> On Thu, Dec 13, 2001 at 03:12:23PM +0100, Jenda Krynicky wrote: > > Aha, I expected Czech lang. was already retreated here as the useless > > obsolete compatibility cludge. > > Well ... it could be viewed as such ... at least in the area of > computers. But I somehow ... like the language. And would hate it > to disappear ;-) Czech girls will take care that this won?t happen. 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