From timc+perl at divide.net Thu Sep 4 08:03:25 2003 From: timc+perl at divide.net (Tim Chambers) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:18:25 2004 Subject: Fw: Newsletter from O'Reilly UG Program, September 3 Message-ID: <005201c372e4$ed9327e0$021a030a@CEPHAS> ================================================ O'Reilly UG Program News for User Group Leaders only September 3, 2003 ================================================ -Book Review Requests and Other Information -Put Up an O'Reilly Mac OS X Conference Banner, Get a Free Book -UG Quote from Tim O'Reilly -New Learning Lab Offer headed your way ---------------------------------------------------------------- Book News ---------------------------------------------------------------- ***Review books are available Copies of our books are available for your members to review--send me an email and please include the book order number on your request. Let me know if you need your book by a certain date. 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The next meeting is September 11th. Learn about the PDXLUG Media Library that currently offers 175 technical books and almost 40 users. To sign up for the library go to: http://library.pdxlug.org/' For more information on PDXLUG go to: http://www.pdxlug.org/ ***Uber TiVo, Linux Users' Group of Davis, Davis, CA--September 15 LUGOD's next meeting features Ryan Castelluci. He will talk about the various hacks than can be used on TiVos. Demonstrations include Backdoors, Caller ID, TiVo Web, TyStudio, video streaming and more. A live hard-disk upgrade will also be performed. http://www.lugod.org/meeting/ 6:30pm - 9:00pm Monday, September 15th, 2003 Davis Library Blanchard Room 315 East 14th Street Davis, CA 95616 Until next time-- Marsee From jtevans at kilnar.com Thu Sep 4 09:26:10 2003 From: jtevans at kilnar.com (John Evans) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:18:25 2004 Subject: Lunch This Month Message-ID: I'm really sorry guys. I dropped the ball for organizing this month's lunch. In-laws are in town and it totally slipped my mind this month. We'll try again in October. -- John Evans http://jtevans.kilnar.com/ -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GCS d- s++:- a- C+++>++++ ULSB++++$ P+++$ L++++$ E--- W++ N+ o? K? w O- M V PS+ !PE Y+ PGP t(--) 5-- X++(+++) R+++ tv+ b+++(++++) DI+++ D++>+++ G+ e h--- r+++ y+++ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From dave.waddell at mci.com Thu Sep 4 10:37:13 2003 From: dave.waddell at mci.com (David R. Waddell) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:18:25 2004 Subject: Lunch This Month In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030904093612.02868908@pop.mcilink.com> Hi John, The in-laws stressing you too much? Or are you enjoying their company too much? (;-) david At 08:26 9/4/2003, John Evans wrote: >I'm really sorry guys. I dropped the ball for organizing this month's >lunch. In-laws are in town and it totally slipped my mind this month. >We'll try again in October. > >-- >John Evans >http://jtevans.kilnar.com/ > >-----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- >Version: 3.1 >GCS d- s++:- a- C+++>++++ ULSB++++$ P+++$ L++++$ >E--- W++ N+ o? K? w O- M V PS+ !PE Y+ PGP t(--) 5-- X++(+++) >R+++ tv+ b+++(++++) DI+++ D++>+++ G+ e h--- r+++ y+++ >------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From mhansen at cso.atmel.com Thu Sep 4 11:22:35 2003 From: mhansen at cso.atmel.com (Mike Hansen) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:18:25 2004 Subject: PPPM In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F5766CB.20403@cso.atmel.com> Has anyone thought about expanding the group to all open source languages? Something like the Pikes Peak Open Source Programmers or [insert your clever acronym but not one of those recursive acronym thangs because they annoy me. ]? I'd think that those who use Perl, PHP, Python, Ruby(there's gotta be one in Colorado Springs), and ??? would like to meet. I used to be in a [proprietary two initial programming language] user group when I lived in Englewood. There was regular meetings once a month at night and a monthly lab. The monthly meeting usually covered some news, followed by a presentation(a author plugging a book, a knowledgeable user, a trainer, or a vendor showing off their product), then a 30 minute break to "network"/chat, closing with some Q&A and maybe a drawing for some geek goodies(T-shirts, software, books...). The lab was some hands on stuff usually demonstrated/explained by a knowledgeable user. Maybe the Pikes Peak Open Source Programmers could incorporate some of these things into a monthly meeting at night. Would that generate more interest? Some of this was discussed at the last HUGE PPPM lunch where I made up 1/3 of the participants.(You missed out on some good Pizza!) This brings up a pile of issues/questions that would need to be discussed if there was interest in this. What do you think? Mike From dave.waddell at mci.com Thu Sep 4 12:06:10 2003 From: dave.waddell at mci.com (David R. Waddell) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:18:25 2004 Subject: PPPM In-Reply-To: <3F5766CB.20403@cso.atmel.com> References: Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030904104543.02879630@pop.mcilink.com> All, I also attended the PIZZA meeting and agree. However, I think we need to get a critical mass of people attending before we can start having presentations. Hardly seems worth the time to spend a few hours preparing a presentation if only two people will be there. If we can get more people in the evening and by inviting other Open Source Programmers then maybe we can reach critical mass. How can we find the other open source programmers in the Pikes Peak region? Eating food is something we all have to take time out for, so I think at least that part of the current system should stay the same! David At 10:22 9/4/2003, Mike Hansen wrote: >Has anyone thought about expanding the group to all open source languages? >Something like the Pikes Peak Open Source Programmers or [insert your >clever acronym but not one of those recursive acronym thangs because they >annoy me. ]? I'd think that those who use Perl, PHP, Python, Ruby(there's >gotta be one in Colorado Springs), and ??? would like to meet. > >I used to be in a [proprietary two initial programming language] user >group when I lived in Englewood. There was regular meetings once a month >at night and a monthly lab. The monthly meeting usually covered some news, >followed by a presentation(a author plugging a book, a knowledgeable user, >a trainer, or a vendor showing off their product), then a 30 minute break >to "network"/chat, closing with some Q&A and maybe a drawing for some geek >goodies(T-shirts, software, books...). The lab was some hands on >stuff usually demonstrated/explained by a knowledgeable user. > >Maybe the Pikes Peak Open Source Programmers could incorporate some of >these things into a monthly meeting at night. Would that generate more >interest? Some of this was discussed at the last HUGE PPPM lunch where I >made up 1/3 of the participants.(You missed out on some good Pizza!) > >This brings up a pile of issues/questions that would need to be discussed >if there was interest in this. > >What do you think? > >Mike From timc+perl at divide.net Thu Sep 4 12:32:05 2003 From: timc+perl at divide.net (Tim Chambers) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:18:25 2004 Subject: PPPM References: <3F5766CB.20403@cso.atmel.com> Message-ID: <012701c3730a$77f97450$021a030a@CEPHAS> Mike Hansen wrote: > Has anyone thought about expanding the group to all open source > languages? Something like the Pikes Peak Open Source Programmers or > [insert your clever acronym but not one of those recursive acronym > thangs because they annoy me. ]? I'd think that those who use Perl, PHP, > Python, Ruby(there's gotta be one in Colorado Springs), and ??? would > like to meet. Works for me. There's lots of overlap. But I know nothing about other organizations. To jump-start publicity for such a group, I can invite Nat Torkington, chair of O'Reilly's Open Source Convention, to come to the Springs to talk: editor for O'Reilly and Associates, Project Manager of the Perl 6 Project, and content coordinator for the Open Source Convention. Coauthored the Perl Cookbook with Tom Christiansen. Source: http://radio.weblogs.com/0106861/2002/05/21.html#a9 I met him as OSCON this year. He lives in Ft. Collins. If the group wants to move on this, someone has to step forward to own it. All I can commit to is the invitation and an attempt to persuade him to accept. But I can't even promise I can be at the event. Last time we had an event like this it was a big hit: http://pikes-peak.pm.org/news0/index.html#17Aug99 Ball's in your court. <>< Tim From ssmythe at docent.com Thu Sep 4 12:47:45 2003 From: ssmythe at docent.com (Steve Smythe) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:18:25 2004 Subject: PPPM Message-ID: <8F4FAA096033A44C9F265684044B3D49029D3ABC@SLV-EXCH1.docent.com> I'm also wondering if there was a regular online meeting place we would get together on. Like a group IM chat or IRC or something... Anyone? Steve -----Original Message----- From: Tim Chambers [mailto:timc+perl@divide.net] Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 10:32 AM To: Pikes Peak Perl Mongers Subject: Re: PPPM Mike Hansen wrote: > Has anyone thought about expanding the group to all open source > languages? Something like the Pikes Peak Open Source Programmers or > [insert your clever acronym but not one of those recursive acronym > thangs because they annoy me. ]? I'd think that those who use Perl, PHP, > Python, Ruby(there's gotta be one in Colorado Springs), and ??? would > like to meet. Works for me. There's lots of overlap. But I know nothing about other organizations. To jump-start publicity for such a group, I can invite Nat Torkington, chair of O'Reilly's Open Source Convention, to come to the Springs to talk: editor for O'Reilly and Associates, Project Manager of the Perl 6 Project, and content coordinator for the Open Source Convention. Coauthored the Perl Cookbook with Tom Christiansen. Source: http://radio.weblogs.com/0106861/2002/05/21.html#a9 I met him as OSCON this year. He lives in Ft. Collins. If the group wants to move on this, someone has to step forward to own it. All I can commit to is the invitation and an attempt to persuade him to accept. But I can't even promise I can be at the event. Last time we had an event like this it was a big hit: http://pikes-peak.pm.org/news0/index.html#17Aug99 Ball's in your court. <>< Tim From elostrom at fedex.com Thu Sep 4 13:14:31 2003 From: elostrom at fedex.com (Eric L. Ostrom) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:18:25 2004 Subject: PPPM References: <8F4FAA096033A44C9F265684044B3D49029D3ABC@SLV-EXCH1.docent.com> Message-ID: <3F578107.7040105@fedex.com> To : PPPM Maybe we could make a password protected chat room or bulletin board a goal for our next meeting. I think that would be a great project to use Perl as well as some other Open Source languages. As a side note, has anyone in the PPPM group published a module to CPAN ? I have some books on how to do it but I'd like to know if someone has already done it in case I have stupid questions. Eric Ostrom Steve Smythe wrote: > I'm also wondering if there was a regular online meeting > place we would get together on. Like a group IM chat or > IRC or something... Anyone? > > Steve > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tim Chambers [mailto:timc+perl@divide.net] > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 10:32 AM > To: Pikes Peak Perl Mongers > Subject: Re: PPPM > > > Mike Hansen wrote: > > >>Has anyone thought about expanding the group to all open source >>languages? Something like the Pikes Peak Open Source Programmers or >>[insert your clever acronym but not one of those recursive acronym >>thangs because they annoy me. ]? I'd think that those who use Perl, PHP, >>Python, Ruby(there's gotta be one in Colorado Springs), and ??? would >>like to meet. >> > > Works for me. There's lots of overlap. But I know nothing about other > organizations. > > To jump-start publicity for such a group, I can invite Nat Torkington, chair > of O'Reilly's Open Source Convention, to come to the Springs to talk: editor > for O'Reilly and Associates, Project Manager of the Perl 6 Project, and > content coordinator for the Open Source Convention. Coauthored the Perl > Cookbook with Tom Christiansen. > Source: http://radio.weblogs.com/0106861/2002/05/21.html#a9 > > I met him as OSCON this year. He lives in Ft. Collins. > > If the group wants to move on this, someone has to step forward to own it. > All I can commit to is the invitation and an attempt to persuade him to > accept. But I can't even promise I can be at the event. > > Last time we had an event like this it was a big hit: > http://pikes-peak.pm.org/news0/index.html#17Aug99 > > Ball's in your court. > > <>< Tim > > > From deedsmis at aculink.net Thu Sep 4 22:52:20 2003 From: deedsmis at aculink.net (SoloCDM) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:18:25 2004 Subject: PPPM In-Reply-To: <3F578107.7040105@fedex.com> References: <8F4FAA096033A44C9F265684044B3D49029D3ABC@SLV-EXCH1.docent.com> <3F578107.7040105@fedex.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 4 Sep 2003, Eric L. Ostrom wrote: > Maybe we could make a password protected chat room or bulletin board > a goal for our next meeting. I think that would be a great project > to use Perl as well as some other Open Source languages. As a side > note, has anyone in the PPPM group published a module to CPAN? I > have some books on how to do it but I'd like to know if someone has > already done it in case I have stupid questions. This is not sarcasm: That would be unique, because it is related to Perl, but redundant when we already have a mailing list. -- Note: When you reply to this message, please include the mailing list address and my email address in To: and/or Cc: with any proper combination ********************************************************************* Signed, SoloCDM From mhansen at cso.atmel.com Tue Sep 9 10:12:58 2003 From: mhansen at cso.atmel.com (Mike Hansen) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:18:25 2004 Subject: PPPM In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030904104543.02879630@pop.mcilink.com> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030904104543.02879630@pop.mcilink.com> Message-ID: <3F5DEDFA.4090205@cso.atmel.com> see below... David R. Waddell wrote: > All, > I also attended the PIZZA meeting and agree. However, I think we need to > get a critical mass of people attending before we can start having > presentations. Hardly seems worth the time to spend a few hours > preparing a presentation if only two people will be there. If we > can get more people in the evening and by inviting other Open Source > Programmers then maybe we can reach critical mass. How can we > find the other open source programmers in the Pikes Peak region? SPAM the newsgroups! Hourly messages posted to usenet newsgroups for the major languages. =) Seriously, maybe just a message posted on the newsgroups for the major languages, and maybe a message sent to a mail list too. Are the magazines Peak Computing and Computer Edge still around? Didn't one of them have a listing of user groups in the region? > Eating food is something we all have to take time out for, so I think at > least that part of the current system should stay the same! Maybe having a monthly dinner instead of a hard to time lunch? There might need to be something more than dinner to entice us reclusive geeks to come out in public. =) Mike From timc+perl at divide.net Thu Sep 11 18:26:23 2003 From: timc+perl at divide.net (Tim Chambers) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:18:25 2004 Subject: Fw: O'Reilly UG Program--Learning Lab Discount Message-ID: <006201c378bc$3c606180$021a030a@CEPHAS> Special deal alert--we're offering a 50% discount on the Linux/Unix Certification Series from the O'Reilly Learning Lab. With this User Group-only discount, your members can save nearly $1000 on these online courses. And everyone who completes the four-course series earns a University of Illinois System Administration Certificate. This offer ends November 1, 2003. Why Learning Lab? We partnered with Learning Lab two years ago because we felt they'd created the best online learning environment we'd ever seen. 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Harold Martin shows you how. http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/2003/09/19/remote_control.html ================================================ >From your Peers ================================================ ***An evening with Roy Atkinson, Maryland Apple Corps, Towson, MD--October 14 Roy Atkinson, Apple UG Liaison for the East Coast is the guest speaker. This meeting includes the monthly members-only door prizes & a raffle in which all attendees can participate. 6:30 pm-8:45 pm Tuesday, October 14, 2003 Towson Library--Lower Level Meeting Room 320 York Rd., Towson, MD http://mdapple.org/ Until next time-- Marsee From timc+perl at divide.net Thu Sep 25 13:28:31 2003 From: timc+perl at divide.net (Tim Chambers) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:18:26 2004 Subject: membership changes Message-ID: <003801c38392$d78494c0$021a030a@CEPHAS> I removed vance@coloradosprings.com and barry_hannenberg@agilent.com from the list on 9/4. They've been bouncing. If anyone knows how to get ahold of them, please forward this to them. SoloCDM -- please From timc+perl at divide.net Thu Sep 25 13:28:35 2003 From: timc+perl at divide.net (Tim Chambers) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:18:26 2004 Subject: let's get together on IRC Message-ID: <003901c38392$d81d7960$021a030a@CEPHAS> jafo has graciously agreed to host #perl at irc.community.tummy.com Please join me there and invite your friends! If you're new to IRC, Don't Panic (tm). It's just another way to chat. Here are a few Web sites to get you started: http://www.irc.org/ http://www.ifirc.com/ http://www.chatmag.com/ I use http://www.xchat.org/ as a client. Suit yourself. SoloCDM -- please announce this on our Web site. Please credit tummy.com as our generous IRC server host. <>< Tim a.k.a. tbc From timc+perl at divide.net Thu Sep 25 13:37:00 2003 From: timc+perl at divide.net (Tim Chambers) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:18:26 2004 Subject: membership changes Message-ID: <006001c38394$02869a00$021a030a@CEPHAS> Aack. I hate unfinished edits. Just as well. We lost another one, so here's an addendum: > 550 5.1.1 ... User unknown This is Eric Ostrom. I removed him from the list today. If you know how to get ahold of any of these guys, please forward the notice to them. > I removed vance@coloradosprings.com and barry_hannenberg@agilent.com As I was saying, SoloCDM, please remove them from the Web site. Thanks, Tim ><> From ssmythe at docent.com Thu Sep 25 17:22:48 2003 From: ssmythe at docent.com (Steve Smythe) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:18:26 2004 Subject: let's get together on IRC Message-ID: <8F4FAA096033A44C9F265684044B3D49029D3B4D@SLV-EXCH1.docent.com> I finally got all this set up. xchat works great! Nice job. So what times are good for gathering? Steve -----Original Message----- From: Tim Chambers [mailto:timc+perl@divide.net] Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 11:29 AM To: Pikes Peak Perl Mongers list Cc: SoloCDM Subject: let's get together on IRC jafo has graciously agreed to host #perl at irc.community.tummy.com Please join me there and invite your friends! If you're new to IRC, Don't Panic (tm). It's just another way to chat. Here are a few Web sites to get you started: http://www.irc.org/ http://www.ifirc.com/ http://www.chatmag.com/ I use http://www.xchat.org/ as a client. Suit yourself. SoloCDM -- please announce this on our Web site. Please credit tummy.com as our generous IRC server host. <>< Tim a.k.a. tbc From timc+perl at divide.net Thu Sep 25 18:23:08 2003 From: timc+perl at divide.net (Tim Chambers) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:18:26 2004 Subject: let's get together on IRC References: <8F4FAA096033A44C9F265684044B3D49029D3B4D@SLV-EXCH1.docent.com> Message-ID: <000801c383bb$fb609640$021a030a@CEPHAS> Steve wrote: > I finally got all this set up. xchat works great! Nice job. Yeah, I did your messages when I got back to my desk. > So what times are good for gathering? Well, I'm connected during work hours anyway -- sometimes even during off-hours. I chatted with jopa a little bit this afternoon. I got e-mail from one list member who said work hours are bad, though. My experience with #hackingsociety on that same server is that it's open 24x7. But you never know when someone's going to pop in. Having said all that, I would expect the channel to get busy the week the group meets for lunch. IRC would be a good way to discuss where to have lunch. Of course, that method discriminates against those who aren't online. But seeing as how there's hardly ever much discussion on the *list* about lunch, I don't think it loses much to discuss it on IRC. And it would give all of us who aren't in town an excuse to chat monthly with those who *are* planning lunch. Let's just see how it goes. One other thing. Here's another handy tool. http://www.dircproxy.net/ It's a proxy that stays connected for you. (You need a machine to use as a server, though.) That way you never miss anything. It can be overwhelming if the channel has a lot of traffic. I don't expect that to be the case with irc.community.tummy.com#perl though. <>< Tim From ssmythe at docent.com Fri Sep 26 14:18:40 2003 From: ssmythe at docent.com (Steve Smythe) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:18:26 2004 Subject: pppmbot Message-ID: <8F4FAA096033A44C9F265684044B3D49029D3B58@SLV-EXCH1.docent.com> I wrote a quick and simple POE::IRC bot that logs messages up on the irc.community.tummy.com. Anyone want to extend it to automatically email the logs on a daily basis? :-) POE and POE::Component::IRC are available through PPM for ActiveState users... Enjoy! Steve #!c:/perl/bin/perl -w ############################################################################ ## # This is a simple IRC bot that just logs public messages. ############################################################################ ## use warnings; use strict; use POE; use POE::Component::IRC; ############################################################################ ## # Init ############################################################################ ## sub Init { # Create the component that will represent an IRC network. POE::Component::IRC->new("magnet"); # Create the bot session. The new() call specifies the events the bot # knows about and the functions that will handle those events. POE::Session->new ( _start => \&bot_start, irc_001 => \&on_connect, irc_public => \&on_public, ); } ############################################################################ ## # CHANNEL ############################################################################ ## sub CHANNEL () { "#test" } ############################################################################ ## # bot_start # # The bot session has started. Register this bot with the "magnet" # IRC component. Select a nickname. Connect to a server. ############################################################################ ## sub bot_start { my $kernel = $_[KERNEL]; my $heap = $_[HEAP]; my $session = $_[SESSION]; $kernel->post( magnet => register => "all" ); # my $nick = 'usepoe' . $$ % 1000; my $nick = "pppmbot"; $kernel->post( magnet => connect => { Nick => $nick, Username => 'pppmbot', Ircname => 'pppmbot', Server => 'irc.community.tummy.com', Port => '6667', } ); } ############################################################################ ## # on_connect # # The bot has successfully connected to a server. Join a channel. ############################################################################ ## sub on_connect { $_[KERNEL]->post( magnet => join => CHANNEL ); } ############################################################################ ## # on_public # # The bot has received a public message. Parse it for commands, and # respond to interesting things. ############################################################################ ## sub on_public { my ( $kernel, $who, $where, $msg ) = @_[ KERNEL, ARG0, ARG1, ARG2 ]; my $nick = ( split /!/, $who )[0]; my $channel = $where->[0]; my $ts = scalar localtime; print " [$ts] <$nick:$channel> $msg\n"; my $file="c:/tmp/pppmbot.log"; open(FILE, ">>$file") || die "can't open file \"$file\" for write: $!"; print FILE " [$ts] <$nick:$channel> $msg\n"; close(FILE) || die "can't close file \"$file\" for write: $!"; if ( my ($response) = $msg =~ /^pppmbot (.+)/i ) { $response = "Hello from pppmbot"; # Send a response back to the server. $kernel->post( magnet => privmsg => CHANNEL, $response ); # Log response $ts = scalar localtime; $nick="pppmbot"; open(FILE, ">>$file") || die "can't open file \"$file\" for write: $!"; print FILE " [$ts] <$nick:$channel> $response\n"; close(FILE) || die "can't close file \"$file\" for write: $!"; } } ############################################################################ ## # Process ############################################################################ ## sub Process { # Run the bot until it is done. $poe_kernel->run(); exit 0; } ############################################################################ ## # MAIN MAIN MAIN MAIN MAIN MAIN MAIN MAIN MAIN MAIN MAIN MAIN MAIN MAIN MAIN # ############################################################################ ## Init(); Process(); From timc+perl at divide.net Mon Sep 29 16:53:16 2003 From: timc+perl at divide.net (Tim Chambers) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:18:26 2004 Subject: perl IRC snippet Message-ID: <004101c386d4$179538f0$021a030a@CEPHAS> FWIW, here's the activity from last week. Hoping to encourage more list members to join in. <>< Tim --> You are now talking on #perl --- new topic by tbc: All things Perl, but expecially trying to nourish a gathering place for Perl Mongers --> jopa joined ha ist just the two of us then Howdy! hi tim, I have been a watcher of the cos perl group for years now, not very active though i live in crestone now have you ever visited the perl group at freenode? its a great resource *** tbc shakes his head Not to the resource comment. I just started using IRC this summer. It's a central tool for the HP IA64 Linux community. ic I also hang out at #hackingsociety here, and today I got the idea to ask jafo to host #perl. So what do you do in Crestone? well i do alot of perl web aplication programming in the winter and alot of playing in the summer its irc.freenode.com #perl well worth checking out hundreds of perl programmers and alot of experts doh irc.freenode.net that is For now, I'm limiting my IRC involvement to those communities with whom I interact in RL. ic well freenode is all open source channels and it has a wealth of talent there you name it #freebsd #mysql almost any open source group you would want its not like any of the BS irc servers, just programmers anyway, I gotta get to work ttyl 'k -- and thanks for the tip about freenode; I'm sure it'll come in handy heya Finally got online. Thanks for the xchat reference Tim. I looked at mIRC and they wanted $20 after 30 days. *** jopa is using xchat as well, wow, last time i used mirc it was totally free, i guess they wan't donaro now I think that was the case for me, too. I only tried mirc for a day Hey jopa. I actually had a question about ftp.perl.org this afternoon and tried connecting to irc.freenode.com. I can't seem to do it through the HP firewall. I can get through to here, though. Any suggestions? hm It wouldn't suprise me at all if HP blocks port 6667, 6668 I know the facility my dedi is on does they don't allow any traffic at all through their network on either of those ports try nmap and see if the ports are labled filtered well, actually, if you are here then that can't be the case oh, irc.freenode.net that should do it aha 'mornin' jopa mornin Hacking in Perl today? notyet I am sure I will get into some later *** tbc nods I think I'll have time to explore Joey Hess' idea: http://linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=5976 wow, backup to cvs, i never would have thunk it hey, do you know a good way to make a global "conf.pl" include that keeps global config values for a whole project while using strict i used to do this before i started using strict now wether its right or not i put them in the top of the main.pl as "our $sqluser" etc, but this dosn't seem right to me *** tbc pokes his head back into IRC after a morning of dealing with a hot issue Funny you should mention it. Are you familiar with Bundle::CPAN? I just hacked my local copy of one of its files yesterday: /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.0/CPAN/Config.pm hmm, i will take a look did you hack config.pm and use it for a different script (ie. not for cpan module) No. But since you asked, I merely pointed you to an example of a module that does it. oic --> ssmythe joined hi again hi thanks for putting this up. yea, that would be Tim's doing I was talking with Tim about it, and he suggested I also look at using dircproxy to get all the discussions on this channel i like it too could be good, though irc has a tendency to be more chatty then news groups agreed. I really miss going to the lunches. This is Steve Smythe. I moved to California about 2 years ago after ChannelPoint went under. hi steve, i never actually made a lunch when i was in COS, I am 4 hours away now in Crestone Cool. Where you at now? I'm at Docent (http://www.docent.com) nice, do they pay well? Crestone is a town near the sand dunes in CO yeah. I was hurting pretty bad for a while after I was laid off. I couldn't find anything serious for almost 6 weeks. It was between Microsoft or Docent. jobs were slim pickins back then. I am wrestling with a dual pII 300 box i got for $100 right now, its a mule scsi hd i have never delt with booting to scsi devices Hiya, Steve! I'm doing builds and releases, CM, Perforce, and tools. Hi Tim hehe. I'm running my webserver http://www.smythefamily.com on a 366MHz Celeron ;) this is nice, i hope more perl mongers get involved I've been getting into Ant a lot for build stuff. I wrote an entire generic continuous integration build system using Ant and Perl. It rocks. whats Ant? Ant ... http://ant.apache.org/index.html It's a Java based build tool that does a lot and is cross-platform. *** tbc puts his head down to start some long-running jobs; bbiab a lot of projects are switching to it since they have a lot of built in tasks like copying, ftp, jar, compiling files, etc. it's really nice. I prefer it over make since you don't need shells to do most of the work. looks good, if apache is doing it then it should be sold s/sold/solid/ like most everything on the Apache/Jakarta front, it's all open source You hear about ActiveState? ye some new news about it? We'll see how Sophos keeps their hands off... http://www.activestate.com/Corporate/Letter/ They bought up ActiveState. I hope they don't get too much into the whole ActivePerl world of things. ack *** jopa is in hardware hell well, time to check on my Solaris Intel NFS server... it died this morning. I gotta bring it back to life... :-) hardware keeps us busy, eh? hehe ... talk with you guys soon. good luck jopa ssmythe: I got an idea that might help build this channel to critical mass. I have all of the scrollback since I started this up. Do either of you mind if I forward the logs to our mailing list? (That goes for future chatter here, too.) fine with me the hard part is getting ppl used to irc I'm back not at all! That's a great idea Tim maybe some automated process that captures and forwards to the list at periodic intervals *** tbc doesn't want to spoil them :-) are there IRC clients in Perl that could do this? :-) I'll bet there are, but I'm happy with xchat and dircproxy right now. I'll just write up an intro with this traffic to give the others a taste of what they're missing http://search.cpan.org/search?query=irc&mode=all *** tbc gets diverted to Real Work again :-( --> usepoe68 joined rot13 hello uryyb rot13 this is a rot13 test of POE guvf vf n ebg13 grfg bs CBR <-- usepoe68 quit (Client closed connection) --> usepoe120 joined rot13 more test zber grfg <-- usepoe120 quit (Client closed connection) heh heh hey steve, you can create a new channel to test in \/join #test without the first backslash ofc thanks... I'll test there. well, it looks like the test works pretty well... I've got it logging the output of the channel to a file. I emailed the source to the group. --> nealmcb joined heya Neal --> pppmbot joined you got it working steve? yup. It's recording this even now! nice It will autorespond to anyone saying anything to it... pppmbot hello Hello from pppmbot ppmbot tea? pppmbot tea? Hello from pppmbot pppmbot, am I speaking on a recorded line? pppmbot - am I speaking on a recorded line? Hello from pppmbot pppmbot - will anything I say be used as evidence against me? :-) Hello from pppmbot i guess pppmbot is a one answer for all kinda bot hehe. Maybe I should add random responses? <-- pppmbot quit (Client closed connection) --> pppmbot joined pppmbot hello ssmythe... Hello from pppmbot <-- pppmbot quit (Client closed connection) --> pppmbot joined pppmbot hello ssmythe... From C:\*.* to shining C:\*.* pppmbot tell me a joke ssmythe... Life would be much easier if I had the source code. ha pppmbot tell me a joke ssmythe... Shh! Be vewy quiet, I'm hunting wuntime errors! hehe... now it tells bad computer jokes lol hehe... now it tells bad computer jokes pppmbot tell me a joke ssmythe... Megabyte: A nine course dinner. pppmbot tell me a joke ssmythe... Excuse me for butting in, but I'm interrupt-driven. bad bad bad.... hehe ha ha well, I am outta hardware hell, the box is back togetherm sigh mine too! I had to run fsck twice on this silly drive. what was your box's problem? maybe i can get into some perl hackin now i got this used box, and was making it work right did you get the source code to pppmbot on the mailing list? its nice for an old timer i saw the email I have an old 200 MHz clunker in my cube as a web server... it barely has enough for just testing. i think i messed with the module a year or so ago i use a c++ app named bobot++ for my irc server cool what's the irc.community.tummy.com running on? not sure i just got here yesterday when Tims post came out on the list looks like it's in the welcome message... Your host is irc.community.tummy.com, running version ngircd-0.6.1 (i386/redhat/linux-gnu) ngircd, nevre heard of it i may have to check it AFAIK, we're on a RH system Kevin of KRUD fame is associated with tummy.com KRUD - Kevin's Red Hat Uber Distribution: http://www.tummy.com/krud/ They're excited about http://fedora.redhat.com/ Oh, I forgot to say -- cool 'bot, Steve. *** tbc talks to the 'bot pppmbot: would you like a cookie? pppmbot : would you like a cookie? tbc... I modem, but they grew back. heh heh pppmbot whats the time? jopa... One man's upload is another man's download bad humor, bah yup another linux distro not today Anyone know what OS Segway uses? http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml03/03553.html M$ jopa: seriously? nope sounds like it tho cpsc.gov does! No surprise. Hey -- check this out: "Microsoft Reliance Threatens National Security," Yahoo News from TechWeb yesterday: http://tinyurl.com/onr6 ; "A technology executive whose company does business with Microsoft Corp. has been forced out of his job after he helped write a cybersecurity report critical of the software giant, according to sources with knowledge of the situation." Washington Post today: http://tinyurl.com/ospb yea i saw that this am anyone with mission critical stuff on M$ is vain i use it for photoshop I have a hundred mile drive ahead of me. Probably won't be back online 'til Monday. See y'all later. From timc+perl at divide.net Mon Sep 29 18:15:01 2003 From: timc+perl at divide.net (Tim Chambers) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:18:26 2004 Subject: Fw: Bruce Perens speaking in Colorado Message-ID: <005501c386df$82b40250$021a030a@CEPHAS> ------- Meeting Announcement ---- Greetings. I'm giddy to announce that Bruce Perens, noted Linux and Open Source leader, contributor, and advocate will give the a presentation entitled "The Future of GNU/Linux and Free Software". He describes it: "I will talk about some of the issues confronting us (Linux Users) - software patents, trusted systems, competitive and technical issues, SCO (if you haven't already heard too much), etc." For those unfamiliar with Bruce Perens, here's his short bio from his web site (http://www.perens.com/) Bruce Perens is a leader in the Free Software and Open Source community. He is creator of the Open Source Definition, the manifesto of the Open Source movement in Software. He's founder or co-founder of the Open Source Initiative, The Linux Standard Base, Software in the Public Interest, and No-Code International. Perens released his first Free Software program, Electric Fence, in 1987. He is creator of Busybox, which has spawned its own development community and is part of most commercial devices using embedded Linux. Perens is series editor of the Bruce Perens' Open Source Series line of books with Prentice Hall PTR publishers. The books sell well in retail stores, even though their texts are released under an Open Source license. Perens is Senior Research Scientist for Open Source with George Washington University's Cyber Security Policy Research Institute. Through his own research organization, Perens has a $50,000/year grant to work 1/4 time on the patent policy issues of standards organizations. He is an elected director of Software in the Public Interest, Inc. Perens previously spent two years with HP as Senior Global Strategist for Linux and Open Source, and was president of Linux Capital Group, a venture fund that specialized in Linux. Perens spent 20 years in the computer graphic animation industry, 12 of them at Pixar Animation Studios. He has a credit on the films A Bug's Life and Toy Story II. *** PLEASE NOTE *** We have moved the date of our October DTC meeting to accommodate his travel schedule to October 7th. In addition, we will not have a KISS session, so the meeting will start at 7 pm. Date: October 7, 2003 Time: 7:00 pm Location: Radisson Hotel (I-225 and Parker Road) Info: http://clue.denver.co.us/ Please spread this announcement around to your friends and colleagues. If you only make one CLUE meeting in the next 5 years, this is the one to attend! Feel free to contact me directly for questions. Jeff -- Colorado Linux Users and Enthusiasts (CLUE) http://cluedenver.org/ Jeffery Cann, President From jtevans at kilnar.com Tue Sep 30 11:20:46 2003 From: jtevans at kilnar.com (John Evans) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:18:26 2004 Subject: Perl Lunch This Thursday Message-ID: It almost slipped my mind this time around, but I remembered late last night that I needed to send this out... Who: Pikes Peak Perl Mongers What: Lunch. Food. Grub. Sustenance. Flavored Grease. When: Thursday, October 3rd 2003 at 11:30 Where: TBD I'm open to any suggestions. -- John Evans http://jtevans.kilnar.com/ -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GCS d- s++:- a- C+++>++++ ULSB++++$ P+++$ L++++$ E--- W++ N+ o? K? w O- M V PS+ !PE Y+ PGP t(--) 5-- X++(+++) R+++ tv+ b+++(++++) DI+++ D++>+++ G+ e h--- r+++ y+++ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From timc+perl at divide.net Tue Sep 30 12:39:27 2003 From: timc+perl at divide.net (Tim Chambers) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:18:26 2004 Subject: Perl Lunch This Thursday References: Message-ID: <006601c38779$ccc8a540$021a030a@CEPHAS> Planning lunch is a good reason to join irc.community.tummy.com#perl. <>< Tim From mhansen at cso.atmel.com Tue Sep 30 13:12:07 2003 From: mhansen at cso.atmel.com (Mike Hansen) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:18:26 2004 Subject: Perl Lunch This Thursday In-Reply-To: <006601c38779$ccc8a540$021a030a@CEPHAS> References: <006601c38779$ccc8a540$021a030a@CEPHAS> Message-ID: <3F79C777.1090304@cso.atmel.com> Unfortunately, it would be my last day at work if I used IRC. i.e. IRC will get me fired if I use it at work. Tim Chambers wrote: >Planning lunch is a good reason to join irc.community.tummy.com#perl. > ><>< Tim > > > > From pwdrhound at pcisys.net Tue Sep 30 13:33:28 2003 From: pwdrhound at pcisys.net (Greg Walters) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:18:26 2004 Subject: Perl Lunch This Thursday In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <95F6B68C-F374-11D7-9065-0030657C457E@pcisys.net> John and others, > It almost slipped my mind this time around, but I remembered late last > night that I needed to send this out... > > Who: Pikes Peak Perl Mongers > What: Lunch. Food. Grub. Sustenance. Flavored Grease. > When: Thursday, October 3rd 2003 at 11:30 > Where: TBD I'm actually in town this week (finally) and can attend. I have no suggestions, except something relatively cheap. I'm now unemployed, but going back to school full-time to get my Bachelors of Computer Science degree. To Tim: eventually I'll get IRC set up, but right now e-mail is still the best method of communication for me. Greg Walters From jtevans at kilnar.com Tue Sep 30 14:45:45 2003 From: jtevans at kilnar.com (John Evans) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:18:26 2004 Subject: Perl Lunch This Thursday In-Reply-To: <3F79C777.1090304@cso.atmel.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Sep 2003, Mike Hansen wrote: > Unfortunately, it would be my last day at work if I used IRC. i.e. IRC > will get me fired if I use it at work. > I don't think I would be fired for using IRC, but it would definately earn me a lengthy scowl from my boss. Email is still the best for me. If decision on food are made on IRC, please post the decision to the list, thanks. -- John Evans http://jtevans.kilnar.com/ -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GCS d- s++:- a- C+++>++++ ULSB++++$ P+++$ L++++$ E--- W++ N+ o? K? w O- M V PS+ !PE Y+ PGP t(--) 5-- X++(+++) R+++ tv+ b+++(++++) DI+++ D++>+++ G+ e h--- r+++ y+++ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From pppm at bluepolka.net Tue Sep 30 15:08:15 2003 From: pppm at bluepolka.net (Ed Loehr) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:18:26 2004 Subject: Perl Lunch This Thursday In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200309301408.15133.pppm@bluepolka.net> A North-centric suggestion: How about Panera on west side of N. Academy, just north of Woodmen? Ed Loehr On Tuesday September 30 2003 10:20, John Evans wrote: > It almost slipped my mind this time around, but I remembered late last > night that I needed to send this out... > > Who: Pikes Peak Perl Mongers > What: Lunch. Food. Grub. Sustenance. Flavored Grease. > When: Thursday, October 3rd 2003 at 11:30 > Where: TBD > > I'm open to any suggestions.