From tbc at netbox.com Tue Feb 1 12:00:15 2000 From: tbc at netbox.com (Tim Chambers) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:45 2004 Subject: way cool meta-portal Message-ID: <008701bf6cde$317c4330$7407130f@tc5570m.col.hp.com> [See for a hypertext version of this message.] Just found a way cool tool! The author, Chris Nandor, calls it "my_portal." It's a meta-portal that manipulates RDF Site Summary (RSS) files. You can collect summaries of Perl News, www.perl.com, Slashdot, and many more. Chris describes RSS and my_portal in "RSS and You." Visiting my_portal (http://www.news.perl.org/my_portal/) was my first exposure to Slash (http://slashcode.com/), the open-sourced package that runs Slashdot. Anyone volunteering to set up Slash for the PPPM? I'd like to get to it, but at the rate I'm working on all my projects, it could be a year... Hope to see you tomorrow. <>< Tim http://www.divide.net/tbc/hacks/index.html From tbc at netbox.com Wed Feb 2 10:16:13 2000 From: tbc at netbox.com (Tim Chambers) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:45 2004 Subject: REMINDER: lunch today Message-ID: <002201bf6d98$d311d100$7407130f@tc5570m.col.hp.com> What: PPPM monthly lunch Where: Zio's (exit I-25 at Woodmen, go west to Corporate Center Drive, turn south. Zio's is on your right) When: TODAY Wednesday, Feb. 2, 11:30 Table is reserved under the name, "Perl." I counted eight replies. If you didn't reply before but plan to come, please let me know ASAP so I can change the reservation. <>< Tim http://www.divide.net/tbc/hacks/index.html From blackwolf at pcisys.net Wed Feb 2 14:15:18 2000 From: blackwolf at pcisys.net (Michael J. Barillier) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:45 2004 Subject: REMINDER: lunch today In-Reply-To: <002201bf6d98$d311d100$7407130f@tc5570m.col.hp.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 2 Feb 2000, Tim Chambers wrote: > What: PPPM monthly lunch > Where: Zio's (exit I-25 at Woodmen, go west to Corporate Center Drive, turn > south. Zio's is on your right) > When: TODAY Wednesday, Feb. 2, 11:30 > > Table is reserved under the name, "Perl." I counted eight replies. If you > didn't reply before but plan to come, please let me know ASAP so I can > change the reservation. I should have remembered that the company I'm working for has their staff meeting on Wednesdays and the meetings invariably run long. It's 1:10, and after a 3-hour status/design meeting I either need lunch or several beers. (Let's see a show of hands of those who have worked on projects where design/interface changes are made less than a month before software is scheduled to be released, and that release date has been met ... anyone?) I hope lunch went well - I'll see you at the next one ... -- mjb --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael J. Barillier email: blackwolf@pcisys.net #!/bin/perl -sp0777i AArrgg! Meetings & snafus over run again today. see you all another month :^) Steve -----Original Message----- From: Michael J. Barillier [mailto:blackwolf@pcisys.net] Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 1:15 PM To: Tim Chambers Cc: Pikes Peak Perl Mongers Subject: Re: REMINDER: lunch today On Wed, 2 Feb 2000, Tim Chambers wrote: > What: PPPM monthly lunch > Where: Zio's (exit I-25 at Woodmen, go west to Corporate Center Drive, turn > south. Zio's is on your right) > When: TODAY Wednesday, Feb. 2, 11:30 > > Table is reserved under the name, "Perl." I counted eight replies. If you > didn't reply before but plan to come, please let me know ASAP so I can > change the reservation. I should have remembered that the company I'm working for has their staff meeting on Wednesdays and the meetings invariably run long. It's 1:10, and after a 3-hour status/design meeting I either need lunch or several beers. (Let's see a show of hands of those who have worked on projects where design/interface changes are made less than a month before software is scheduled to be released, and that release date has been met ... anyone?) I hope lunch went well - I'll see you at the next one ... -- mjb --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael J. Barillier email: blackwolf@pcisys.net #!/bin/perl -sp0777i Message-ID: On Wed, 2 Feb 2000, Michael J. Barillier wrote: > I should have remembered that the company I'm working for has their > staff meeting on Wednesdays and the meetings invariably run long. > It's 1:10, and after a 3-hour status/design meeting I either need > lunch or several beers. (Let's see a show of hands of those who have > worked on projects where design/interface changes are made less than a > month before software is scheduled to be released, and that release > date has been met ... anyone?) Oi! Tough break.... I just got handed the same thing... well.. almost the same thing. Some marketing genius somewhere decided that we need a whole new look/feel on our new site that we are launching on Friday... However, they don't quite know what they want the look/feel to be, but they do know that the deadline can't slip. Ahh... The joys of being an engineer. At least we have Dilbert to cheer us up! -- .-. John Evans /v\ http://evansj.kilnar.com/ telnet://spear.kilnar.com:1066/ // \ GCS d- s+: a- C+++ U++++ P++ L++ E---- W+++ N+ o-- K w-- /( )\ O M- V PS+ PE Y+ PGP- t-- 5-- X+ R+++ tv+ b++ DI++ D++ ^^-^^ G e h--- r+++ z+++ From tbc at netbox.com Fri Feb 4 10:25:33 2000 From: tbc at netbox.com (Tim Chambers) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:45 2004 Subject: Edward Yourdon Tuesday February 8th Message-ID: <004901bf6f2c$75fd1e30$7407130f@tc5570m.col.hp.com> [Fred, I thought PPLUG might want to know about this. - Tim] I couldn't find detail on the Web and am making inquiries, but the basic information is: WHO: Edward Yourdon, author, consultant, guru, novelist WHAT: a talk titled "IT MEGATRENDS - Strategic Planning For The Key IT Trends In The Next Decade" WHEN: 5 p.m. - 7 p.m. Tuesday, February 8, 2000 (refreshments served at 4 p.m.) WHERE: Sumner Suites, 503 W Garden of the Gods Rd, 719.265.9385 From tbc at netbox.com Fri Feb 4 22:08:36 2000 From: tbc at netbox.com (Tim Chambers) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:45 2004 Subject: details re. Yourdon's talk Message-ID: <004d01bf6f8e$b0f74ee0$cc7526d1@tbc> I now have details at our Web site (http://pikes-peak.pm.org/index.html#4Feb00). I created specific pages for next week's talk (http://pikes-peak.pm.org/cssedss/yrdn0002.htm) and for this year's series (http://pikes-peak.pm.org/cssedss/poster00.htm). <>< Tim From evansj at kilnar.com Tue Feb 8 13:52:41 2000 From: evansj at kilnar.com (John Evans) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:45 2004 Subject: Excel -> CVS Message-ID: Hiya, We're getting a "database" emailed to us once a week that is in Excel spreadsheet. Yeah, yeah... I know it's not a database, but try telling that to the sales gal on the other end... Anyway, the data is to be used for a web application that is to be written in Perl. Anyone know of any modules that can read from Excel spreadsheets directly? If not, is there a way to convert the Excel spreadsheet to a comma-delimited file (CVS) or some othe format that is readable by Perl other than by manually opening the file and doing a "File | Save as..."? I'm really flexible on what the end solution will be so long as I can feed the Excel spreadsheet to some program[1] that will produce results that a Perl script can access so that I don't have to manually convert the Excel spreadsheet every week. [1] The conversion program can be written in Perl, C, C++ or Java for all I care. Mucho Gracias! -- .-. John Evans /v\ http://evansj.kilnar.com/ telnet://spear.kilnar.com:1066/ // \ GCS d- s+: a- C+++ U++++ P++ L++ E---- W+++ N+ o-- K w-- /( )\ O M- V PS+ PE Y+ PGP- t-- 5-- X+ R+++ tv+ b++ DI++ D++ ^^-^^ G e h--- r+++ z+++ From jrussel at channelpoint.com Tue Feb 8 15:07:39 2000 From: jrussel at channelpoint.com (Jeremy Russell) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:45 2004 Subject: Excel -> CVS Message-ID: There is an an ADO module that you can check out. It allows you to use ActiveX objects and it works reasonably well. In my opinion, it is the best module to use if you are doing a lot with ASP PerlScript for IIS. -----Original Message----- From: John Evans [mailto:evansj@kilnar.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2000 12:53 PM To: Pikes Peak Perl Mongers Subject: Excel -> CVS Hiya, We're getting a "database" emailed to us once a week that is in Excel spreadsheet. Yeah, yeah... I know it's not a database, but try telling that to the sales gal on the other end... Anyway, the data is to be used for a web application that is to be written in Perl. Anyone know of any modules that can read from Excel spreadsheets directly? If not, is there a way to convert the Excel spreadsheet to a comma-delimited file (CVS) or some othe format that is readable by Perl other than by manually opening the file and doing a "File | Save as..."? I'm really flexible on what the end solution will be so long as I can feed the Excel spreadsheet to some program[1] that will produce results that a Perl script can access so that I don't have to manually convert the Excel spreadsheet every week. [1] The conversion program can be written in Perl, C, C++ or Java for all I care. Mucho Gracias! -- .-. John Evans /v\ http://evansj.kilnar.com/ telnet://spear.kilnar.com:1066/ // \ GCS d- s+: a- C+++ U++++ P++ L++ E---- W+++ N+ o-- K w-- /( )\ O M- V PS+ PE Y+ PGP- t-- 5-- X+ R+++ tv+ b++ DI++ D++ ^^-^^ G e h--- r+++ z+++ From evansj at kilnar.com Tue Feb 8 16:18:21 2000 From: evansj at kilnar.com (John Evans) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:45 2004 Subject: Excel -> CVS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Does it require ASP and IIS? The perl script will be running in it's native home... meaning Linux. If it will work in a Linux/Solaris environment, where do I get such a creature? I searched CPAN for it and came up empty. Thanks... On Tue, 8 Feb 2000, Jeremy Russell wrote: > There is an an ADO module that you can check out. It allows you to use > ActiveX objects and it works reasonably well. In my opinion, it is the best > module to use if you are doing a lot with ASP PerlScript for IIS. > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Evans [mailto:evansj@kilnar.com] > Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2000 12:53 PM > To: Pikes Peak Perl Mongers > Subject: Excel -> CVS > > > Hiya, > We're getting a "database" emailed to us once a week that is in > Excel spreadsheet. Yeah, yeah... I know it's not a database, but try > telling that to the sales gal on the other end... > > Anyway, the data is to be used for a web application that is to be > written in Perl. Anyone know of any modules that can read from Excel > spreadsheets directly? If not, is there a way to convert the Excel > spreadsheet to a comma-delimited file (CVS) or some othe format that is > readable by Perl other than by manually opening the file and doing a "File > | Save as..."? > > I'm really flexible on what the end solution will be so long as I > can feed the Excel spreadsheet to some program[1] that will produce > results that a Perl script can access so that I don't have to manually > convert the Excel spreadsheet every week. > > > [1] The conversion program can be written in Perl, C, C++ or Java for all > I care. > > Mucho Gracias! > > -- .-. John Evans /v\ http://evansj.kilnar.com/ telnet://spear.kilnar.com:1066/ // \ GCS d- s+: a- C+++ U++++ P++ L++ E---- W+++ N+ o-- K w-- /( )\ O M- V PS+ PE Y+ PGP- t-- 5-- X+ R+++ tv+ b++ DI++ D++ ^^-^^ G e h--- r+++ z+++ From tbc at netbox.com Thu Feb 10 10:06:55 2000 From: tbc at netbox.com (Tim Chambers) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:45 2004 Subject: Call for Papers for Perl Conference 4.0 Message-ID: <000b01bf73e0$da141140$7407130f@tc5570m.col.hp.com> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 11:49:56 -0800 (PST) From: Denise Olliffe Subject: Call for Papers for Perl Conference 4.0 CALL FOR PAPERS for the PERL CONFERENCE 4.0 Want to make all those endless nights hacking away at Perl finally pay off? This is your chance to share those jewels of code with your peers! Submit your proposal for talks, tutorials and refereed papers for The Perl Conference 4.0 Part of The O'Reilly Open Source Software Convention July 17-20, 2000 in Monterey, California ******************************************************************** Last year's event attracted over 1700 attendees, with an audience hungry for information and eager to hear about the latest developments and trends in the Open Source world. This time, it could be YOUR chance to enlighten, and maybe even enrapture, a room full of your peers with your latest innovation or foray into Perl. But not only that: it's also an excellent opportunity for you to rub shoulders with the heroes, founders and demi-gods of the Open Source community - plus have a ton of fun! Here are the topics: * Perl * Linux * Apache * Python * Sendmail * Open Source Business Strategies * Tcl/Tk * Other open source technologies This year, we are focusing on Open Source technologies enabling secure, high-volume e-commerce. Technical talks in any of the above tracks that zoom in on e-commerce will be particularly welcomed! All submissions should be directed to: oscon00proposals@oreilly.com For detailed information on submitting a proposal, please see: http://conferences.oreilly.com/oscon2000/call.html If you have any questions about submitting a proposal, please contact Joseph McIntyre at joseph@oreilly.com Need some additional time to put together that mind blasting proposal that is going to knock the socks off your fellow hacker's feet? You got it! We are extending the original submission deadline to Feb. 18, 2000. Don't miss it. Posted in the following newsgroups: 1/31 alt.os.linux alt.os.linux.caldera alt.os.linux.slackware alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions comp.os.linux.advocacy comp.os.linux.announce comp.os.linux.development.apps 2/1 comp.os.linux.development.system comp.os.linux.hardware comp.os.linux.m68k comp.os.linux.misc comp.os.linux.networking comp.os.linux.setup comp.os.linux.x de.comp.os.linux comp.lang.python comp.lang.python.announce comp.lang.tcl comp.lang.tcl.announce comp.mail.sendmail comp.mail.smail comp.graphics.apps.gnuplot de.comp.gnu gnu.g++.help gnu.gcc gnu.gcc.help gnu.misc.discuss From tbc at netbox.com Mon Feb 14 18:24:45 2000 From: tbc at netbox.com (Tim Chambers) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:45 2004 Subject: where do you buy your books? Message-ID: <010901bf774b$0f86ac80$7407130f@tc5570m.col.hp.com> I remember at the last lunch a couple of you were saying good things about an online bookseller, but I don't remember the name. I thought it was bookpull.com, but that domain isn't registered. So I thought I'd ask the group via e-mail. Thanks, Tim ><> http://www.divide.net/tbc/hacks/index.html From blb at pobox.com Mon Feb 14 19:10:00 2000 From: blb at pobox.com (Bryan Blackburn) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:45 2004 Subject: where do you buy your books? In-Reply-To: <010901bf774b$0f86ac80$7407130f@tc5570m.col.hp.com>; from tbc@netbox.com on Mon, Feb 14, 2000 at 05:24:45PM -0700 References: <010901bf774b$0f86ac80$7407130f@tc5570m.col.hp.com> Message-ID: <20000214181000.A3829@kosh.withay.com> The one you're looking for is bookpool.com. Others I've seen: fatbrain.com, amazon.com, bn.com, and bestbookbuys.com And probably more that I haven't seen... Bryan On Feb 14, 2000 17:24, Tim Chambers stated: > I remember at the last lunch a couple of you were saying good things about > an online bookseller, but I don't remember the name. I thought it was > bookpull.com, but that domain isn't registered. So I thought I'd ask the > group via e-mail. > > Thanks, > > Tim ><> > http://www.divide.net/tbc/hacks/index.html > > From blackwolf at pcisys.net Tue Feb 15 00:21:29 2000 From: blackwolf at pcisys.net (Michael J. Barillier) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:45 2004 Subject: where do you buy your books? In-Reply-To: <20000214181000.A3829@kosh.withay.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 14 Feb 2000, Bryan Blackburn wrote: > Others I've seen: fatbrain.com, amazon.com, bn.com, and bestbookbuys.com > And probably more that I haven't seen... ... except that everyone really should boycott Amazon (in case it wasn't brought up before). -- mjb --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael J. Barillier email: blackwolf@pcisys.net #!/bin/perl -sp0777i "Michael J. Barillier" wrote: >... except that everyone really should boycott Amazon (in case it wasn't >brought up before). Why? From kscott-list at pcisys.net Tue Feb 15 11:32:56 2000 From: kscott-list at pcisys.net (Ken Scott) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:45 2004 Subject: where do you buy your books? In-Reply-To: <006f01bf77d9$109f57f0$7407130f@tc5570m.col.hp.com> Message-ID: I don't understand all of it, but the basis of the boycott of Amazon is Amazon's granting of a software patent for a "One-Click Shopping" process. I saw a link to explain the boycott off of the Linux Documentation Project (www.linuxdoc.org) home page, but I couldn't load it. Can anyone else explain better than me? On Tue, 15 Feb 2000, Tim Chambers wrote: > "Michael J. Barillier" wrote: > >... except that everyone really should boycott Amazon (in case it wasn't > >brought up before). > > > Why? > > -- ><> Ken Scott kscott@pcisys.net http://www.pcisys.net/~kscott This is the day that the Lord has made; I will rejoice and be glad in it! -- Psalm 118:24 From evansj at kilnar.com Tue Feb 15 12:42:15 2000 From: evansj at kilnar.com (John Evans) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:45 2004 Subject: where do you buy your books? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 15 Feb 2000, Ken Scott wrote: > I don't understand all of it, but the basis of the boycott of Amazon is > Amazon's granting of a software patent for a "One-Click Shopping" process. > > I saw a link to explain the boycott off of the Linux Documentation Project > (www.linuxdoc.org) home page, but I couldn't load it. Here's the article from linuxdoc.org. THESE ARE NOT MY WORDS so please don't flame me. I'm just the messenger: --------- Please do not buy from Amazon Amazon has obtained a US patent (5,960,411) on an important and obvious idea for E-commerce: the idea that your command in a web browser to buy a certain item can carry along information about your identity. (This works by sending back a "cookie", a kind of ID code that your browser received previously from the same server.) Amazon has sued to block the use of this simple idea, showing that they truly intend to monopolize it. This is an attack against the World Wide Web and against E-commerce in general. The idea in question is that a company can give you something which you can subsequently show them to identify yourself for credit. This is nothing new: a physical credit card does the same job, after all. But the US Patent Office issues patents on obvious and well-known ideas every day. Sometimes the result is a disaster. Today Amazon is suing one large company. If this were just a dispute between two companies, it would not be an important public issue. But the patent gives Amazon the power over anyone who runs a web site in the US (and any other countries that give them similar patents)--power to control all use of this technique. Although only one company is being sued today, the issue affects the whole Internet. Amazon is not alone at fault in what is happening. The US Patent Office is to blame for having very low standards, and US courts are to blame for endorsing them. And US patent law is to blame for authorizing patents on computational techniques and patterns of communication--a policy that is harmful in general. (See lpf.ai.mit.edu for more information about this issue.) Foolish government policies gave Amazon the opportunity--but an opportunity is not an excuse. Amazon made the choice to obtain this patent, and the choice to use it in court for aggression. The ultimate moral responsibility for Amazon's actions lies with Amazon's executives. We can hope that the court will find this patent is legally invalid, Whether they do so will depend on detailed facts and obscure technicalities. The patent uses piles of semirelevent detail to make this "invention" look like something subtle. But we do not have to wait passively for the court to decide the freedom of E-commerce. There is something we can do right now: we can refuse to do business with Amazon. Please do not buy anything from Amazon until they promise to stop using this patent to threaten or restrict other web sites. If you are the author of a book sold by Amazon, you can provide powerful help to this campaign by putting this text into the "author comment" about your book, on Amazon's web site. Please send mail to amazon@gnu.org when you do this, and please tell us what happens afterward. Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation MacArthur Fellow --------- END ARTICLE BEGIN JOHN-SPEAK :)_ Since this is a Perl discussion group, I'll avoid continuing this thread any more than I already have and keep my opinions to myself. -- .-. John Evans /v\ http://evansj.kilnar.com/ telnet://spear.kilnar.com:1066/ // \ GCS d- s+: a- C+++ U++++ P++ L++ E---- W+++ N+ o-- K w-- /( )\ O M- V PS+ PE Y+ PGP- t-- 5-- X+ R+++ tv+ b++ DI++ D++ ^^-^^ G e h--- r+++ z+++ From blackwolf at pcisys.net Tue Feb 15 15:02:11 2000 From: blackwolf at pcisys.net (Michael J. Barillier) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:45 2004 Subject: where do you buy your books? In-Reply-To: <006f01bf77d9$109f57f0$7407130f@tc5570m.col.hp.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 15 Feb 2000, Tim Chambers wrote: > "Michael J. Barillier" wrote: > >... except that everyone really should boycott Amazon (in case it wasn't > >brought up before). > > Why? They've obtained a ridiculous patent on "1-click shopping", patenting what is essentially the process of storing a cookie on the user's browser so he doesn't have to re-enter credit card information on subsequent purchases. Oddly enough, though this technique is used in countless websites, their first and so far (AFAIK) only lawsuit has been against their direct competitor Barnes & Noble. The biggest threat to software and software development is that they could abuse the patent (as though they haven't already) by, essentially, claiming ownership of any technology related to cookies. See http://linuxtoday.com/story.php3?sn=13652 -- mjb --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael J. Barillier email: blackwolf@pcisys.net #!/bin/perl -sp0777i Hi Guys! I'm trying to setup a script that will take incoming mail, crunch on it and spit it into a file in a certain format. The crunching and spitting part is easy... It's getting the mail into the program in the first place that is giving me a headache. I have setup a .forward for for the test account that I am using that looks like this: |/staff/tester/bin/inbound.pl Here's the directory that the file is in: tester@kilnar:~/bin$ pwd /staff/tester/bin tester@kilnar:~/bin$ ls -la total 3 drwx--x--x 2 tester tester 1024 Feb 16 12:49 ./ drwx--x--x 6 tester tester 1024 Feb 16 12:16 ../ -rwxr-xr-x 1 tester tester 791 Feb 16 12:30 inbound.pl As you can tell, sendmail should be able to read and execute the inbound.pl script whenever email is sent to "tester@kilnar.com" However, when email is sent to that address, I get the following as a return mail: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 550 /staff/tester/.forward: line 1: |/staff/tester/bin/inbound.pl... Address is unsafe for mailing to programs It's obvious that sendmail doesn't think that the script is safe to run. I'm not sure why this is. Any insight into how to spawn the inbound.pl so that it can catch the email message and then do its work? Thanks! -- .-. John Evans /v\ http://evansj.kilnar.com/ telnet://spear.kilnar.com:1066/ // \ GCS d- s+: a- C+++ U++++ P++ L++ E---- W+++ N+ o-- K w-- /( )\ O M- V PS+ PE Y+ PGP- t-- 5-- X+ R+++ tv+ b++ DI++ D++ ^^-^^ G e h--- r+++ z+++ From tbc at netbox.com Wed Feb 16 14:36:22 2000 From: tbc at netbox.com (Tim Chambers) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:45 2004 Subject: Processing Incoming Mail Message-ID: <00a501bf78bd$7ce52f90$7407130f@tc5570m.col.hp.com> John, I gave up trying to handle incoming mail with a .forward file. I let procmail (http://www.procmail.org/) handle the piece you're complaining about. I have little, simple Perl scripts (and even shell scripts -- gack!) triggered from various procmail rules. <>< Tim From tbc at netbox.com Wed Feb 16 16:37:11 2000 From: tbc at netbox.com (Tim Chambers) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:45 2004 Subject: Job Opportunity (taken offline) Message-ID: <010401bf78ce$5d4a9bf0$7407130f@tc5570m.col.hp.com> Dear Perl Mongers, I've gotten a few SPAM messages because I'm listed as the Pikes Peak contact, and they go in the bit bucket. But today I got polite e-mail and wanted to reward his courtesy by passing it on. Rather than clutter the list with a jobs discussion, let's take it offline (http://www.takeitoffline.com/). Visit this URL if you're interested in job opportunities: http://www.takeitoffline.com/1/H/NuLK8Ll3CxritWqkut7.html For a previous offline discussion re. Internet Start-up, see . <>< Tim http://www.divide.net/tbc/hacks/index.html From tbc at netbox.com Wed Feb 16 18:05:23 2000 From: tbc at netbox.com (Tim Chambers) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:45 2004 Subject: Donald Reinertsen Message-ID: <01ef01bf78da$afec5d10$7407130f@tc5570m.col.hp.com> [Fred, I thought PPLUG might want to know about this, too. - Tim] WHO: Donald Reinertsen, Reinertsen & Associates WHAT: a talk titled "Managing the Design Factory" WHEN: 5 p.m. - 7 p.m. Monday, March 6, 2000 (refreshments served at 4 p.m.) WHERE: Sumner Suites, 503 W Garden of the Gods Rd, 719.265.9385 ABSTRACT Don Reinertsen will discuss leading edge issues affecting development process design for fast time to market. He points out that the development process for software in many companies is structured in a way similar to how we structured manufacturing 40 years ago before the arrival of World Class Manufacturing. He will discuss specific weaknesses such as poor management of design-in-process inventory, large process queues, and incorrect batch sizes. He suggests that substantial improvements are possible by paying careful attention to the lessons we have learned in the factory while still respecting important differences between product development and manufacturing. BIOGRAPHY Don Reinertsen is president of Reinertsen & Associates in Redondo Beach, CA. He consults to companies on the management of new product development processes. Don is co-author of "Developing Products in Half the Time" and author of "Managing the Design Factory". He writes and speaks frequently on techniques for shortening product development cycles for hardware and software products. He teaches a popular executive course at California Institute of Technology on "Streamlining the Product Development Process." His approach to product development stresses tailoring development approaches to the unique economic contexts of individual projects and he stresses that there are no best practices that are universally applicable to every project. --- Details are at our Web site (http://pikes-peak.pm.org/index.html#16Feb00). I created specific pages for the next talk (http://pikes-peak.pm.org/cssedss/dr0003.htm) and for this year's series (http://pikes-peak.pm.org/cssedss/poster00.htm). <>< Tim From tbc at netbox.com Thu Feb 17 17:39:39 2000 From: tbc at netbox.com (Tim Chambers) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:45 2004 Subject: Manning Book for Beginner Programmers Message-ID: <015701bf79a0$41fc1130$7407130f@tc5570m.col.hp.com> Perl Mongers, If you remember, we have an offer to receive a free Perl book from http://www.manning.com. Enclosed is a draft of my reply on behalf of the book. Please reply with comments. I'd like to send this out tomorrow afternoon. I'm putting in for the book Bryan nominated (he was the only one who expressed an opinion), so if you want a different one, vote early and vote often. :-) Thanks, <>< Tim http://www.divide.net/tbc/hacks/index.html ------ To: Helen Trimes Helen, I visited your Web site. Our local Perl group had our monthly meeting two weeks ago, and I just closed off comments today. We agreed that we are interested in your offer of a free book. I hope it's not too late. The book we'd like is OBJECT ORIENTED PERL by Damian Conway. >I would appreciate any information you can pass along to >me, such as which schools to contact and, if possible, instructors' >names, addresses and phone or email. I am planning to communicate with >these individuals either by mail or email. Dr. Jugal Kalita at CU-Springs (http://cs.uccs.edu/~kalita/) teaches Perl. Dr. Edward Chow at CU-Springs (http://cs.uccs.edu/~chow/) is another suggestion from a PPPM member. I sent e-mail to the CS department head at Colorado Technical University (http://www.colotechu.edu/) but didn't get a reply. We have other institutions nearby, but no personal contacts: Regis University (http://www.regis.edu/about/campuslocation.asp?mj=1&mi=5#COSpringsmap) -- they have Comp Sci programs, but I couldn't find department information specifically for the Colorado Springs campus Colorado College Computer Science dept. (http://www.coloradocollege.edu/Dept/MA/Scomsci.html) the University of Southern Colorado Computer Information Systems department is in Pueblo (the city south of Colorado Springs) (http://www.uscolo.edu/cis/) Sincerely, Tim Chambers, on behalf of Pikes Peak Perl Mongers http://pikes-peak.pm.org/ From evansj at kilnar.com Thu Feb 17 18:02:36 2000 From: evansj at kilnar.com (John Evans) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:45 2004 Subject: Manning Book for Beginner Programmers In-Reply-To: <015701bf79a0$41fc1130$7407130f@tc5570m.col.hp.com> Message-ID: The OO book on Perl is fine with me. I thought that I had voted for that one as well. I guess I mis-sent the email or something. The response letter is fine with me as well. On Thu, 17 Feb 2000, Tim Chambers wrote: > Perl Mongers, > > If you remember, we have an offer to receive a free Perl book from > http://www.manning.com. Enclosed is a draft of my reply on behalf of the > book. Please reply with comments. I'd like to send this out tomorrow > afternoon. I'm putting in for the book Bryan nominated (he was the only one > who expressed an opinion), so if you want a different one, vote early and > vote often. :-) > > Thanks, > > <>< Tim > http://www.divide.net/tbc/hacks/index.html > > ------ > To: Helen Trimes > > Helen, > > I visited your Web site. Our local Perl group had our monthly meeting two > weeks ago, and I just closed off comments today. We agreed that we are > interested in your offer of a free book. I hope it's not too late. The book > we'd like is OBJECT ORIENTED PERL by Damian Conway. > > >I would appreciate any information you can pass along to > >me, such as which schools to contact and, if possible, instructors' > >names, addresses and phone or email. I am planning to communicate with > >these individuals either by mail or email. > > Dr. Jugal Kalita at CU-Springs (http://cs.uccs.edu/~kalita/) teaches Perl. > > > Dr. Edward Chow at CU-Springs (http://cs.uccs.edu/~chow/) is another > suggestion from a PPPM member. > > I sent e-mail to the CS department head at Colorado Technical University > (http://www.colotechu.edu/) but didn't get a reply. > > > We have other institutions nearby, but no personal contacts: > > Regis University > (http://www.regis.edu/about/campuslocation.asp?mj=1&mi=5#COSpringsmap) -- > they have Comp Sci programs, but I couldn't find department information > specifically for the Colorado Springs campus > > > Colorado College Computer Science dept. > (http://www.coloradocollege.edu/Dept/MA/Scomsci.html) > > the University of Southern Colorado Computer Information Systems department > is in Pueblo (the city south of Colorado Springs) > (http://www.uscolo.edu/cis/) > > > Sincerely, > > Tim Chambers, on behalf of Pikes Peak Perl Mongers > http://pikes-peak.pm.org/ > > -- .-. John Evans /v\ http://evansj.kilnar.com/ telnet://spear.kilnar.com:1066/ // \ GCS d- s+: a- C+++ U++++ P++ L++ E---- W+++ N+ o-- K w-- /( )\ O M- V PS+ PE Y+ PGP- t-- 5-- X+ R+++ tv+ b++ DI++ D++ ^^-^^ G e h--- r+++ z+++ From tbc at netbox.com Mon Feb 21 19:51:48 2000 From: tbc at netbox.com (Tim Chambers) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:45 2004 Subject: Fwd: YAPC 19100: Call for Participation Message-ID: <002101bf7cd7$62f1f460$d27526d1@tbc> FYI. <>< Tim http://www.divide.net/tbc/hacks/index.html Message-ID: <38B1A838.47B6CEE1@cs.cmu.edu> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 16:03:52 -0500 From: Kevin Lenzo Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University Subject: YAPC 19100: Call for Participation Hi Mongers -- We're gearing up for it again. YAPC::America::North 19100 is in the works, and interest has been mounting in other YAPCs: Europe and Australia, with some rumour of Asia also. Here is the Call for Participation for the North American YAPC this year; it'll be 3 days long this time, but still grassroots. We'll have to cut off registration at about 500 people this time, which is almost double last year's number. I'd like to see Mongers get in early. The registration page should be up in a few weeks. Yours, kevin ***************** CALL FOR PARTICIPATION ****************** North American Yet Another Perl Conference YAPC 19100 http://www.yapc.org/America/ Wednesday-Friday, June 21-23, 2000 at Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania ** Abstract submission deadline: April 3, 2000 ** Yet Another Perl Conference (YAPC) is an inexpensive ($75) perl users and developers conference, with a mix of tutorials and technical talks. The conference is set in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, and so is relatively accessible from both the East and the Midwest. YAPC began as a grassroots users conference, from discussions among Perl Mongers, and has grown from there. We would like to invite you to join us for two days of Perl, people, and demonstrations, at a price that shouldn't hurt your wallet. There will be a limit of just under 500 people for the conference. A number of members of the Perl community are contributing to this event, including: Larry Wall, Abigail, Damian Conway, Mark-Jason Dominus, Joseph Hall, purl, Randal Schwartz, ... ... and YOU! See the CALL FOR PAPERS below! Look to the main web page for more details -- http://www.yapc.org/America ** Dorm rooms ** A limited number of inexpensive dorm rooms are available at Carnegie Mellon, that will be given preferentially to students, but more generally on a first-come basis. This is to further reduce the cost for those with limited resources, especially students, who we are trying to encourage the most. More information will become available when registration begins. *********** CALL FOR PAPERS *********** Potential presenters should submit a 200-300 word abstract to lenzo+abstract@cs.cmu.edu in plain ASCII text or HTML by April 3rd for consideration. We would like that your materials be available online, but it is not required. If you have materials to include in the proceedings, or course notes, please let us know your requirements the abstract. If you have any special presentation needs, please include them also. Topics are unlimited, but some suggestions include: * Groupware, Agents, and Bots * Perl for Speech and Language * Text and Document Processing * Machine Learning in Perl * HTML, XML, and Markup Languages * CGI and Web programming in Perl * Internet Programming * Database Interation and Access with Perl * Scientific Computing (e.g. with PDL) * Practical Perl Programming * Module guts and usage on any particular Module. * Tutorials of all stripes: Modules, Objects, CPAN * Visionary or position papers on Perl, the past, the present, and the future * Anything cool :) Conference fees will be waived for presenters at yapc, so another way to reduce your costs is to give a good talk on something you're excited about. **** YAPC 100 ** http://www.yapc.org/America/ ******** ***************** CALL FOR PARTICIPATION ****************** **Majordomo list services provided by PANIX ** **To Unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe groups" to majordomo@lists.pm.org** From evansj at kilnar.com Mon Feb 28 11:03:46 2000 From: evansj at kilnar.com (John Evans) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:45 2004 Subject: Lunch time again Message-ID: Looks like it's lunch time again this Wednesday... or is it next week? Tim? -- .-. John Evans /v\ http://evansj.kilnar.com/ telnet://spear.kilnar.com:1066/ // \ GCS d- s+: a- C+++ U++++ P++ L++ E---- W+++ N+ o-- K w-- /( )\ O M- V PS+ PE Y+ PGP- t-- 5-- X+ R+++ tv+ b++ DI++ D++ ^^-^^ G e h--- r+++ z+++ From kscott-list at pcisys.net Mon Feb 28 11:19:31 2000 From: kscott-list at pcisys.net (Ken Scott) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:45 2004 Subject: Lunch time again In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Was this the time that Tim said he would be out of town, or was that for a different event? Either way, I'm booked with my manager for lunch that day, so no Fun With Perl for me... Ken On Mon, 28 Feb 2000, John Evans wrote: > Looks like it's lunch time again this Wednesday... or is it next week? > > Tim? > > -- ><> Ken Scott kscott@pcisys.net http://www.pcisys.net/~kscott This is the day that the Lord has made; I will rejoice and be glad in it! -- Psalm 118:24 From tbc at netbox.com Mon Feb 28 11:29:18 2000 From: tbc at netbox.com (Tim Chambers) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:45 2004 Subject: Lunch time again Message-ID: <00b101bf8211$57ca3db0$7407130f@tc5570m.col.hp.com> John Evans wrote: > Looks like it's lunch time again this Wednesday... or is it next week? Thanks for the reminder, John. I will be out of town all week. Would you be willing to organize it? <>< Tim From evansj at kilnar.com Mon Feb 28 13:28:39 2000 From: evansj at kilnar.com (John Evans) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:45 2004 Subject: Lunch time again In-Reply-To: <00b101bf8211$57ca3db0$7407130f@tc5570m.col.hp.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 28 Feb 2000, Tim Chambers wrote: > John Evans wrote: > > > Looks like it's lunch time again this Wednesday... or is it next week? > > > Thanks for the reminder, John. I will be out of town all week. Would you be > willing to organize it? Sure thing. Last time we had things on the north end of town, so let's shoot for something towards the south end just to be fair about it. Here's some suggestions: World Arena Area: Chili's (1706 E Cheyenne Mountain Blvd) Village Inn (1430 Harrison Rd) Carrabba's Italian Grill (2815 Geyser Dr) Outback Steakhouse (2825 Geyser Dr) Pizza Hut (2035 B St) Downtown Area: Phantom Canyon Brewing, Co. (2 E Pikes Peak Ave) New York Burrito (25 N Tejon St) SS Subs (106 E Kiowa St) Poor Richard's Restaurant (324 1/2 N Tejon St) Ritz Grill (15 S Tejon St) Citadel Area: Hooters (750 Citadel Dr E [Citadel Mall]) Country Buffet (751 N Academy Blvd) Black Eyed Pea (887 N Academy Blvd) Red Robin (3680 Citadel Dr N) Applebee's (3708 Galley Rd) Feel free to throw in your own ideas or to veto ones that you absolutely will not eat at. I'm sure that there are more places to eat in the areas that I've got listed above, but I tried to stick to places that I've already been at so thet I wouldn't inadvertantly list a rat-hole or something that charges $3 a cracker. I suppose we'll collect ideas for places to go today and then vote tomorrow and I'll announce the location tomorrow late afternoon/evening. -- .-. John Evans /v\ http://evansj.kilnar.com/ telnet://spear.kilnar.com:1066/ // \ GCS d- s+: a- C+++ U++++ P++ L++ E---- W+++ N+ o-- K w-- /( )\ O M- V PS+ PE Y+ PGP- t-- 5-- X+ R+++ tv+ b++ DI++ D++ ^^-^^ G e h--- r+++ z+++ From blackwolf at pcisys.net Mon Feb 28 14:13:30 2000 From: blackwolf at pcisys.net (Michael J. Barillier) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:45 2004 Subject: Lunch time again In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 28 Feb 2000, John Evans wrote: > On Mon, 28 Feb 2000, Tim Chambers wrote: > > > John Evans wrote: > > > > > Looks like it's lunch time again this Wednesday... or is it next week? > > > > > > Thanks for the reminder, John. I will be out of town all week. Would you be > > willing to organize it? > > Sure thing. > > Last time we had things on the north end of town, so let's shoot for > something towards the south end just to be fair about it. Here's some > suggestions: [snip] The World Arena area is *way* south for me (I'm up near I-25 and Woodmen). The scenery's OK at Hooters (ain't nuthin' compared to the Westport Hooters in St. Louis ... but that's another topic altogether) but the food sucks (IMHO). Phantom Canyon'd be good for me. One other request - this company I'm working for starts their weekly "status" meetings at 10:00 on Wednesdays, and they usually drag on until well into lunch time. Any chance this Wednesday thing can be changed to another day (Tuesday/Thursday)? -- mjb --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael J. Barillier email: blackwolf@pcisys.net #!/bin/perl -sp0777i Message-ID: On Mon, 28 Feb 2000, Michael J. Barillier wrote: > The World Arena area is *way* south for me (I'm up near I-25 and Woodmen). > The scenery's OK at Hooters (ain't nuthin' compared to the Westport Hooters > in St. Louis ... but that's another topic altogether) but the food sucks > (IMHO). Phantom Canyon'd be good for me. One for Phantom Canyon... > One other request - this company I'm working for starts their weekly > "status" meetings at 10:00 on Wednesdays, and they usually drag on until > well into lunch time. Any chance this Wednesday thing can be changed to > another day (Tuesday/Thursday)? Permanently moving the meeting would be up to Tim since he's the head honcho of the group. For this week, we've got two people with work/meeting conflicts. I don't want to move it to tomorrow since that would cut out a day of planning, so let's push THIS LUNCH ONLY back to Thursday so that as many people as possible can make it. Same locations are still open to discussion.... -- .-. John Evans /v\ http://evansj.kilnar.com/ telnet://spear.kilnar.com:1066/ // \ GCS d- s+: a- C+++ U++++ P++ L++ E---- W+++ N+ o-- K w-- /( )\ O M- V PS+ PE Y+ PGP- t-- 5-- X+ R+++ tv+ b++ DI++ D++ ^^-^^ G e h--- r+++ z+++ From vance at coloradosprings.com Mon Feb 28 16:03:44 2000 From: vance at coloradosprings.com (Vance Dubberly) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:46 2004 Subject: Lunch time again References: Message-ID: <38BAF0BF.460530AF@coloradosprings.com> I'm down with Phantom.... whenever Wends... Thurs... Not ever up for Hooters. -v ------------------------- 1.61803400516510009765625 ------------------------- Vance Dubberly ColoradoSprings.com WebDeveloper 719.577.4848 x106 John Evans wrote: > On Mon, 28 Feb 2000, Michael J. Barillier wrote: > > > The World Arena area is *way* south for me (I'm up near I-25 and Woodmen). > > The scenery's OK at Hooters (ain't nuthin' compared to the Westport Hooters > > in St. Louis ... but that's another topic altogether) but the food sucks > > (IMHO). Phantom Canyon'd be good for me. > > One for Phantom Canyon... > > > One other request - this company I'm working for starts their weekly > > "status" meetings at 10:00 on Wednesdays, and they usually drag on until > > well into lunch time. Any chance this Wednesday thing can be changed to > > another day (Tuesday/Thursday)? > > Permanently moving the meeting would be up to Tim since he's the head > honcho of the group. For this week, we've got two people with work/meeting > conflicts. I don't want to move it to tomorrow since that would cut out a > day of planning, so let's push THIS LUNCH ONLY back to Thursday so that as > many people as possible can make it. > > Same locations are still open to discussion.... > > -- > .-. John Evans > /v\ http://evansj.kilnar.com/ telnet://spear.kilnar.com:1066/ > // \ GCS d- s+: a- C+++ U++++ P++ L++ E---- W+++ N+ o-- K w-- > /( )\ O M- V PS+ PE Y+ PGP- t-- 5-- X+ R+++ tv+ b++ DI++ D++ > ^^-^^ G e h--- r+++ z+++ -- From kscott at pcisys.net Mon Feb 28 16:13:05 2000 From: kscott at pcisys.net (Ken Scott) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:46 2004 Subject: Lunch time again In-Reply-To: <38BAF0BF.460530AF@coloradosprings.com> Message-ID: If it's Thursday, then I can play too :) Phantom works for me, actually any place downtown, out of the options. I'm at Union and Austin Bluffs, so World Arena is way too far for me as well. Ken On Mon, 28 Feb 2000, Vance Dubberly wrote: > I'm down with Phantom.... whenever Wends... Thurs... Not ever up for > Hooters. > > -v > > ------------------------- > 1.61803400516510009765625 > ------------------------- > Vance Dubberly > ColoradoSprings.com > WebDeveloper > 719.577.4848 x106 > > > John Evans wrote: > > > On Mon, 28 Feb 2000, Michael J. Barillier wrote: > > > > > The World Arena area is *way* south for me (I'm up near I-25 and Woodmen). > > > The scenery's OK at Hooters (ain't nuthin' compared to the Westport Hooters > > > in St. Louis ... but that's another topic altogether) but the food sucks > > > (IMHO). Phantom Canyon'd be good for me. > > > > One for Phantom Canyon... > > > > > One other request - this company I'm working for starts their weekly > > > "status" meetings at 10:00 on Wednesdays, and they usually drag on until > > > well into lunch time. Any chance this Wednesday thing can be changed to > > > another day (Tuesday/Thursday)? > > > > Permanently moving the meeting would be up to Tim since he's the head > > honcho of the group. For this week, we've got two people with work/meeting > > conflicts. I don't want to move it to tomorrow since that would cut out a > > day of planning, so let's push THIS LUNCH ONLY back to Thursday so that as > > many people as possible can make it. > > > > Same locations are still open to discussion.... > > > > -- > > .-. John Evans > > /v\ http://evansj.kilnar.com/ telnet://spear.kilnar.com:1066/ > > // \ GCS d- s+: a- C+++ U++++ P++ L++ E---- W+++ N+ o-- K w-- > > /( )\ O M- V PS+ PE Y+ PGP- t-- 5-- X+ R+++ tv+ b++ DI++ D++ > > ^^-^^ G e h--- r+++ z+++ > > -- > > -- ><> Ken Scott kscott@pcisys.net http://www.pcisys.net/~kscott This is the day that the Lord has made; I will rejoice and be glad in it! -- Psalm 118:24 From tbc at netbox.com Mon Feb 28 16:26:31 2000 From: tbc at netbox.com (Tim Chambers) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:46 2004 Subject: Lunch time again Message-ID: <022c01bf823a$dccc3df0$7407130f@tc5570m.col.hp.com> John Evans wrote: >Permanently moving the meeting would be up to Tim since he's the head >honcho of the group. I just thought it would be convenient to meet just a few days before the Pikes Peak Perl Mongers' Friday meeting. I'm not partial to Wednesday. I will go with whatever the majority of the mailing list wants to do. <>< Tim From adriank at channelpoint.com Mon Feb 28 16:40:58 2000 From: adriank at channelpoint.com (Adrian Kalaveshi) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:46 2004 Subject: Lunch time again Message-ID: <03E742431696D311BD1B000629382517097386@cpex1.channelpoint.com> Thursdays work for me. Adrian -----Original Message----- From: Tim Chambers [mailto:tbc@netbox.com] Sent: Monday, February 28, 2000 3:27 PM To: Pikes Peak Perl Mongers Subject: Re: Lunch time again John Evans wrote: >Permanently moving the meeting would be up to Tim since he's the head >honcho of the group. I just thought it would be convenient to meet just a few days before the Pikes Peak Perl Mongers' Friday meeting. I'm not partial to Wednesday. I will go with whatever the majority of the mailing list wants to do. <>< Tim From jrussel at channelpoint.com Mon Feb 28 16:46:07 2000 From: jrussel at channelpoint.com (Jeremy Russell) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:46 2004 Subject: Lunch time again Message-ID: Thursday is fine, but never Hooters. -----Original Message----- From: Adrian Kalaveshi [mailto:adriank@channelpoint.com] Sent: Monday, February 28, 2000 3:41 PM To: Pikes Peak Perl Mongers Subject: RE: Lunch time again Thursdays work for me. Adrian -----Original Message----- From: Tim Chambers [mailto:tbc@netbox.com] Sent: Monday, February 28, 2000 3:27 PM To: Pikes Peak Perl Mongers Subject: Re: Lunch time again John Evans wrote: >Permanently moving the meeting would be up to Tim since he's the head >honcho of the group. I just thought it would be convenient to meet just a few days before the Pikes Peak Perl Mongers' Friday meeting. I'm not partial to Wednesday. I will go with whatever the majority of the mailing list wants to do. <>< Tim From Steve.Elliott at compaq.com Mon Feb 28 17:57:17 2000 From: Steve.Elliott at compaq.com (Elliott, Steve) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:46 2004 Subject: Lunch time again Message-ID: Thursdays work better for me too. Steve -----Original Message----- From: Adrian Kalaveshi [mailto:adriank@channelpoint.com] Sent: Monday, February 28, 2000 3:41 PM To: Pikes Peak Perl Mongers Subject: RE: Lunch time again Thursdays work for me. Adrian -----Original Message----- From: Tim Chambers [mailto:tbc@netbox.com] Sent: Monday, February 28, 2000 3:27 PM To: Pikes Peak Perl Mongers Subject: Re: Lunch time again John Evans wrote: >Permanently moving the meeting would be up to Tim since he's the head >honcho of the group. I just thought it would be convenient to meet just a few days before the Pikes Peak Perl Mongers' Friday meeting. I'm not partial to Wednesday. I will go with whatever the majority of the mailing list wants to do. <>< Tim From evansj at kilnar.com Mon Feb 28 18:39:24 2000 From: evansj at kilnar.com (John Evans) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:46 2004 Subject: Lunch time again In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'll go with the concesus of Thursday for future meetings as well, but it really doesn't matter to me. On Mon, 28 Feb 2000, Elliott, Steve wrote: > Thursdays work better for me too. > Steve > > -----Original Message----- > From: Adrian Kalaveshi [mailto:adriank@channelpoint.com] > Sent: Monday, February 28, 2000 3:41 PM > To: Pikes Peak Perl Mongers > Subject: RE: Lunch time again > > > Thursdays work for me. > Adrian > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tim Chambers [mailto:tbc@netbox.com] > Sent: Monday, February 28, 2000 3:27 PM > To: Pikes Peak Perl Mongers > Subject: Re: Lunch time again > > > John Evans wrote: > >Permanently moving the meeting would be up to Tim since he's the head > >honcho of the group. > > I just thought it would be convenient to meet just a few days before the > Pikes Peak Perl Mongers' Friday meeting. I'm not partial to Wednesday. > > I will go with whatever the majority of the mailing list wants to do. > > <>< Tim > -- .-. John Evans /v\ http://evansj.kilnar.com/ telnet://spear.kilnar.com:1066/ // \ GCS d- s+: a- C+++ U++++ P++ L++ E---- W+++ N+ o-- K w-- /( )\ O M- V PS+ PE Y+ PGP- t-- 5-- X+ R+++ tv+ b++ DI++ D++ ^^-^^ G e h--- r+++ z+++ From dave.waddell at wcom.com Tue Feb 29 12:08:02 2000 From: dave.waddell at wcom.com (David R. Waddell) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:46 2004 Subject: Lunch time again In-Reply-To: <03E742431696D311BD1B000629382517097386@cpex1.channelpoint.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20000229110802.007d1740@pop.mcit.com> Wednesdays preferable for me but Thursdays are OK also. Never been to Phantom or practically any place in the South except IHOP and Broadmoor, so I'll have to trust the good judgement of the other perl mongers. David Waddell PS. I did try the Fish Market on the weekend. The fish was good but seemed to be a bit on the expensive side. Perhaps they are cheaper for lunch. From blb at pobox.com Tue Feb 29 19:01:49 2000 From: blb at pobox.com (Bryan Blackburn) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:46 2004 Subject: Lunch time again In-Reply-To: <022c01bf823a$dccc3df0$7407130f@tc5570m.col.hp.com>; from tbc@netbox.com on Mon, Feb 28, 2000 at 03:26:31PM -0700 References: <022c01bf823a$dccc3df0$7407130f@tc5570m.col.hp.com> Message-ID: <20000229180149.B10206@kosh.withay.com> Just to put in my view, Thursdays are bad for me. Bryan On Feb 28, 2000 15:26, Tim Chambers stated: > John Evans wrote: > >Permanently moving the meeting would be up to Tim since he's the head > >honcho of the group. > > I just thought it would be convenient to meet just a few days before the > Pikes Peak Perl Mongers' Friday meeting. I'm not partial to Wednesday. > > I will go with whatever the majority of the mailing list wants to do. > > <>< Tim > > From kscott-list at pcisys.net Tue Feb 29 19:54:54 2000 From: kscott-list at pcisys.net (Ken Scott) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:46 2004 Subject: Lunch Meeting Message-ID: It sounds like the meeting is Thurs at Phantom Canyon. Is that accurate? What time? Thanks, Ken -- ><> Ken Scott kscott@pcisys.net http://www.pcisys.net/~kscott This is the day that the Lord has made; I will rejoice and be glad in it! -- Psalm 118:24 From evansj at kilnar.com Tue Feb 29 20:51:10 2000 From: evansj at kilnar.com (John Evans) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:46 2004 Subject: Lunch Meeting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001bf8329$0069e160$0301a8c0@dragon.kilnar.com> > It sounds like the meeting is Thurs at Phantom Canyon. Is that > accurate? What time? Yep. Here's the details: Place: Phantom Canyon Date: Thursday, 03-02-1900 (I'm not Y2K compliant) Time: 11:45 Reservation Name: Perl Reservation #: 8 people (see list) List of people showing: John Evans Michael Barillier Vance Dubberly Ken Scott Adrian Kalaveshi Jeremy Russell Steve Elliot David Waddell Let me know if you need to be added to or removed from the list... especially if you need to be added so that I can call and alter the reservation. There is a parking lot just south of Phantom Canyon, but I'm not sure how full it is during weekdays at lunchtime. Of course, there are also parking meters on the street. Any changes need to be made? -- .-. John Evans /v\ http://evansj.kilnar.com/ telnet://spear.kilnar.com:1066/ // \\ GCS d- s+: a- C+++ U++++ P++ L++ E---- W+++ N+ o-- K w-- /( )\ O M- V PS+ PE Y+ PGP- t-- 5-- X+ R+++ tv+ b++ DI++ D++ ^^-^^ G e h--- r+++ z+++ From vance at coloradosprings.com Tue Feb 29 22:04:53 2000 From: vance at coloradosprings.com (Vance Dubberly) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:46 2004 Subject: Lunch Meeting References: <000001bf8329$0069e160$0301a8c0@dragon.kilnar.com> Message-ID: <38BC96E5.F4207095@coloradosprings.com> The parking lot is usually empty and varies from 2 to 3 dollars. Best chance for parking at the meters is the street between the HollySugar building and the library. I've gotten a ticket every time I don't feed the meter. John Evans wrote: > > It sounds like the meeting is Thurs at Phantom Canyon. Is that > > accurate? What time? > > Yep. Here's the details: > > Place: Phantom Canyon > Date: Thursday, 03-02-1900 (I'm not Y2K compliant) > Time: 11:45 > Reservation Name: Perl > Reservation #: 8 people (see list) > > List of people showing: > John Evans > Michael Barillier > Vance Dubberly > Ken Scott > Adrian Kalaveshi > Jeremy Russell > Steve Elliot > David Waddell > > Let me know if you need to be added to or removed from the list... > especially if you need to be added so that I can call and alter the > reservation. > > There is a parking lot just south of Phantom Canyon, but I'm not sure how > full it is during weekdays at lunchtime. Of course, there are also parking > meters on the street. > > Any changes need to be made? > > -- > .-. John Evans > /v\ http://evansj.kilnar.com/ telnet://spear.kilnar.com:1066/ > // \\ GCS d- s+: a- C+++ U++++ P++ L++ E---- W+++ N+ o-- K w-- > /( )\ O M- V PS+ PE Y+ PGP- t-- 5-- X+ R+++ tv+ b++ DI++ D++ > ^^-^^ G e h--- r+++ z+++ -- ------------------------- 1.61803400516510009765625 ------------------------- Vance Dubberly ColoradoSprings.com WebDeveloper 719.577.4848 x106