From evansj at kilnar.com Wed Aug 2 11:16:54 2000 From: evansj at kilnar.com (John Evans) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:51 2004 Subject: I'm Back Message-ID: After a serious SNAFU with my server, I finally got it back online and am steadily catching up on contacting everyone that probably thinks that I'm dead since my emails have been bouncing for almost a month. Did I miss anything great and wonderful while I was in the land-of-no-email? -- John Evans http://evansj.kilnar.com/ From tbc at spamcop.net Wed Aug 2 17:18:13 2000 From: tbc at spamcop.net (Tim Chambers) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:51 2004 Subject: lunch TOMORROW Message-ID: <00c101bffccf$8d5215a0$fd411d82@tc5570m.cos.agilent.com> ... that is, if we can agree on a place. I was out last week and forgot to follow up. Suggestions? How about Nachyo Mama again? It's fast and relatively cheap. <>< Tim From aksuska at insideflyer.com Wed Aug 2 18:01:01 2000 From: aksuska at insideflyer.com (Keary Suska) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:51 2004 Subject: lunch TOMORROW In-Reply-To: <00c101bffccf$8d5215a0$fd411d82@tc5570m.cos.agilent.com> Message-ID: Where is it located? Regards, Keary Suska Mgr., Information Technologies Frequent Flyer Services http://www.webflyer.com/ mailto: aksuska@webflyer.com (719) 597-8899 x737 (719) 597-6855 (fax) > From: "Tim Chambers" > Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 16:18:13 -0600 > To: "Pikes Peak Perl Mongers" > Subject: lunch TOMORROW > > ... that is, if we can agree on a place. I was out last week and forgot to > follow up. Suggestions? > > How about Nachyo Mama again? It's fast and relatively cheap. > > <>< Tim > > From adriank at channelpoint.com Wed Aug 2 18:08:46 2000 From: adriank at channelpoint.com (Adrian Kalaveshi) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:51 2004 Subject: lunch TOMORROW Message-ID: <03E742431696D311BD1B00062938251701F401C6@cpex1.channelpoint.com> it's on Garden of the Gods near the highway. -Adrian -----Original Message----- From: Keary Suska [mailto:aksuska@insideflyer.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 5:01 PM To: Pikes Peak Perl Mongers Subject: Re: lunch TOMORROW Where is it located? Regards, Keary Suska Mgr., Information Technologies Frequent Flyer Services http://www.webflyer.com/ mailto: aksuska@webflyer.com (719) 597-8899 x737 (719) 597-6855 (fax) > From: "Tim Chambers" > Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 16:18:13 -0600 > To: "Pikes Peak Perl Mongers" > Subject: lunch TOMORROW > > ... that is, if we can agree on a place. I was out last week and forgot to > follow up. Suggestions? > > How about Nachyo Mama again? It's fast and relatively cheap. > > <>< Tim > > From evansj at kilnar.com Wed Aug 2 17:20:45 2000 From: evansj at kilnar.com (John Evans) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:51 2004 Subject: lunch TOMORROW In-Reply-To: <00c101bffccf$8d5215a0$fd411d82@tc5570m.cos.agilent.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 2 Aug 2000, Tim Chambers wrote: > ... that is, if we can agree on a place. I was out last week and forgot to > follow up. Suggestions? > > How about Nachyo Mama again? It's fast and relatively cheap. > I'm game for it. What time is it again? 11:30?? -- John Evans http://evansj.kilnar.com/ From vance at coloradosprings.com Wed Aug 2 18:44:59 2000 From: vance at coloradosprings.com (Vance Dubberly) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:51 2004 Subject: lunch TOMORROW In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Didn't think I was going to make it but I'll see ya'll tomorrow at 11:30; vanceg on 8/2/00 5:01 PM, Keary Suska at aksuska@insideflyer.com wrote: > Where is it located? > > Regards, > > Keary Suska > Mgr., Information Technologies > Frequent Flyer Services > http://www.webflyer.com/ > mailto: aksuska@webflyer.com > (719) 597-8899 x737 > (719) 597-6855 (fax) > > >> From: "Tim Chambers" >> Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 16:18:13 -0600 >> To: "Pikes Peak Perl Mongers" >> Subject: lunch TOMORROW >> >> ... that is, if we can agree on a place. I was out last week and forgot to >> follow up. Suggestions? >> >> How about Nachyo Mama again? It's fast and relatively cheap. >> >> <>< Tim >> >> Vance Dubberly Director of Application Development ColoradoSprings.com - WOW! Marketing Freedom Interactive Media of Colorado, Inc. 219 W Colorado, Suite 204 Colorado Springs, Colorado 80918 719.577.4848 x101 --------------------------------------- It really doesn't get any easier than this and it all starts right here at ColoradoSprings.com the hottest jobs around town, what's going on in your neighborhood, the get it all mall, your new wheels, your next house and so much more... all in one place! If it's local - it's on ColoradoSprings.com! --------------------------------------- ColoradoSprings.com, your local homepage, includes AUTOfinder, BUSINESSfinder, Digital Village, Get it All Mall, HOMEfinder, PEAKlinks.com and WorkAvenue. Great places to shop and find local information! ---------------------------------------- http://ColoradoSprings.com http://Gazette.com http://WOWMarketing.com --------------------------------------------- I believe this is hevean to no one else but me. -Sarah McLachlan From gwalters at harrison.k12.co.us Thu Aug 3 08:05:54 2000 From: gwalters at harrison.k12.co.us (Greg Walters) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:51 2004 Subject: lunch TOMORROW References: <00c101bffccf$8d5215a0$fd411d82@tc5570m.cos.agilent.com> Message-ID: <39896E32.E399C95@harrison.k12.co.us> Tim Chambers wrote: > > ... that is, if we can agree on a place. I was out last week and forgot to > follow up. Suggestions? > > How about Nachyo Mama again? It's fast and relatively cheap. I'll be there. Greg Walters From tbc at spamcop.net Thu Aug 3 11:20:13 2000 From: tbc at spamcop.net (Tim Chambers) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:51 2004 Subject: URGENT: lunch TODAY Message-ID: <00cb01bffd66$b4af1d90$fd411d82@tc5570m.cos.agilent.com> Sorry again for the last-minute scheduling, but we're on for lunch today. WHAT: monthly Pikes Peak Perl Mongers lunch WHERE: Nachyo Mama's -- SE corner of Mark Dabling and Garden of the Gods Rd, 2 blocks E of I-25 WHEN: today, Thursday, 8/3, at 11:30 <>< Tim Founder, Pikes Peak Perl Mongers From evansj at kilnar.com Thu Aug 3 14:13:28 2000 From: evansj at kilnar.com (John Evans) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:51 2004 Subject: DoubleClick Opt-Out Message-ID: We talked about this briefly at lunch and I mentioned this page for opting out of DoubleClick's tracking system. Basically, when you get an add from DoubleClick's system, they (through the web server) read your ID which is in a cookie. This allows them to track which sites you are going to and build a profile about you. There are good reasons for this and bad reasons for this. I'm sure you can think of the bad ones. DoubleClick's marketing team has come up with the good ones in a piece of fluff at the bottom of thier opt-out page as a last-ditch attempt to keep you in their tracking system. Here was my cookie before I opted-out: id 80000000d50fba8 doubleclick.net/ 0 1468938752 31583413 2869514640 29356910 * Here was my cookie after I opted-out: id OPT_OUT doubleclick.net/ 0 1468938752 31583413 1849761776 29359494 * It appears that they are being honest about the whole opt-out thing. Finally, here is the URL that I was talking about: http://www.doubleclick.net/company_info/about_doubleclick/privacy/privacy2.htm You'll need to visit this page with each browser and each machine that you use and click on the "Opt Out Button." I'm not sure if other banner ad sites have a tracking system and/or an opt-out option. -- John Evans http://evansj.kilnar.com/ From nagler at bivio.com Thu Aug 3 18:36:17 2000 From: nagler at bivio.com (Rob Nagler) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:51 2004 Subject: DoubleClick Opt-Out References: Message-ID: <398A01F1.4A202560@bivio.com> John Evans wrote: > It appears that they are being honest about the whole opt-out > thing. I think it is important to note that the contents of cookies are meaningless. I would not be surprised if the marketeers suggested they put OPT_OUT in the cookie. The value is in DoubleClick's database. Despite your "OPT_OUT", they still are tracking you. Otherwise, they wouldn't have left the other stuff in the cookie which uniquely identifies your browser. Even without cookies, they have a tremendous amount of information about your browsing patterns. I've often wondered if Akami is collecting data. Their servers are being used by almost every major site right now. Their claim to fame is knowing where your browser is with respect to the server by mapping the network geographically and working closely with ISPs. What they do is identical to what DoubleClick does, but I think they have much better technologists and more complex traffic analysis tools. I used to be a big "privacy nut". I gave that up when I moved back to the U.S. and bought a house, a car (with cash), etc. In my former home (Switzerland), I had to register with the government every time I moved. In the U.S., the only people you DON'T have to tell is the government, except, of course, if you buy a house, then the government tells everybody else where you've moved. :-) The point is that I think this whole cookie thing is way overblown and misunderstood. Cookies identify the browser, but so does your IP address, browser version and OS, and, way more importantly, the Referer [sp thanks to Netscape]. With the Referer, you can be tracked all over hell and back. If the referer is a search engine, you know what they searched for to find your web site. It's really useful stuff for webmasters, I must say. Does all this compromise privacy? Yes, in a way. But so does Echelon and Carnivore. So does the fact that you subscribe to Time or buy your groceries an King Soupers or Safeway. Unless you pay cash for everything (as I did for years in Europe), they know who you are in great detail and what you purchase in great detail. All DoubleClick knows is which sites Browser XYZZY has been to. They don't really know who your are, because you can't give them that information, even with javascript bugs which give away your email. An electronic identity is easy to forge. It's easy to create lots of them. We tell our users to create hotmail or yahoo accounts if they want to have multiple bivio accounts. The fact that DoubleClick might know you are joeblow@hotmail.com and clicked at penthouse.com, doesn't mean all that much. You wrote in gobbledygook at hotmail when you set up you joeblow account. The only thing our site requires is an email address, so we can contact you. We provide accounting software for investment clubs. You can enter you name, address, phone, social security number, and birth date. Most people don't. There are even some clubs that use numbers instead of names. Those clubs standout btw and we usually take notice of them. :-) The point is that I think most sites have worthless databases. I signed up at wfn.com and they asked all kinds of really bizarre personal questions that no one in their right might would answer even if they did have the time to think about them. Anyway, just two bits for naught on a Thursday Eve. Sorry if you think this is the wrong forum for this type of diatribe. I just think it is important to understand the technology and understand what it really means to our privacy. Cheers, Rob From evansj at kilnar.com Wed Aug 9 14:04:18 2000 From: evansj at kilnar.com (John Evans) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:51 2004 Subject: MIME encoded attachments Message-ID: I finally talked my boss into letting me do a little Perl for a large project. It's a small bit, but at least it's a start. Anyway... What I'm doing is using Mail::POP3Client to log into a POP3 server and slurp off emails with attachments. Those attachments are MIME encoded so I figure I'll use the MIME::Tools modules to decode the attachments. The documentation (perldoc) is pretty convoluted (is MIME really that complex?) and I was wondering if anyone had other documentation that they could refer me to for MIME stuff or if they had done something like this themselves. Any input or insight would be great. Thanks! -- John Evans http://evansj.kilnar.com/ From vance at coloradosprings.com Wed Aug 9 15:53:29 2000 From: vance at coloradosprings.com (Vance Dubberly) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:51 2004 Subject: MIME encoded attachments In-Reply-To: Message-ID: John, Mail attachements are usually uuencoded, sometimes base64, if you read mail using elm or mail or whatever program you'll see attachments are just a long series of rows of ascii text actually embedded in the email message. What I've done in the past is parse the email looking for the boundaries ( "Content-Type: multipart/mixed" boundary="some_ugly_string") pulled out the encoded part, written it to a file and then used either a system call or Convert::UU to decode the file. -v on 8/9/00 1:04 PM, John Evans at evansj@kilnar.com wrote: > I finally talked my boss into letting me do a little Perl for a large > project. It's a small bit, but at least it's a start. Anyway... > > What I'm doing is using Mail::POP3Client to log into a POP3 server and > slurp off emails with attachments. Those attachments are MIME encoded so I > figure I'll use the MIME::Tools modules to decode the attachments. > > The documentation (perldoc) is pretty convoluted (is MIME really that > complex?) and I was wondering if anyone had other documentation that they > could refer me to for MIME stuff or if they had done something like this > themselves. > > Any input or insight would be great. > > Thanks! Vance Dubberly Director of Application Development ColoradoSprings.com - WOW! Marketing Freedom Interactive Media of Colorado, Inc. 219 W Colorado, Suite 204 Colorado Springs, Colorado 80918 719.577.4848 x101 --------------------------------------- It really doesn't get any easier than this and it all starts right here at ColoradoSprings.com the hottest jobs around town, what's going on in your neighborhood, the get it all mall, your new wheels, your next house and so much more... all in one place! If it's local - it's on ColoradoSprings.com! --------------------------------------- ColoradoSprings.com, your local homepage, includes AUTOfinder, BUSINESSfinder, Digital Village, Get it All Mall, HOMEfinder, PEAKlinks.com and WorkAvenue. Great places to shop and find local information! ---------------------------------------- http://ColoradoSprings.com http://Gazette.com http://WOWMarketing.com ------------------------------------------------------ One of the symptoms of approaching nervous breakdown is the belief that one's work is terribly important. If I were a medical man, I should prescribe a holiday to any patient who considered his work important. Bertrand Russell ------------------------------------------------------ From nagler at bivio.com Wed Aug 9 16:34:07 2000 From: nagler at bivio.com (Rob Nagler) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:51 2004 Subject: MIME encoded attachments References: Message-ID: <3991CE4F.3E8A51E@bivio.com> > Any input or insight would be great. We use the MIME::Tools and they work quite well. Our biggest problems have been associated with using IO::Scalar. We don't use intermediate files in our server. Make sure you have the latest versions of IO::Scalar and MIME::Tools. Another problem we have found is that people don't write compliant emails. For example, some sites generate emails without a closing boundary. Our users, use our service to forward emails from their brokers. Some are pretty bad MIME implementations. We try to get them to change, but... This led us to hacking the MIME implementation to be a bit more flexible with what it accepts. If you know your email source is compliant, MIME::Tools should work great out of the box. Rob From aksuska at insideflyer.com Wed Aug 9 16:35:08 2000 From: aksuska at insideflyer.com (Keary Suska) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:51 2004 Subject: MIME encoded attachments In-Reply-To: Message-ID: As Vance indicated, extracting MIME parts is fairly straightforward, since you would just look for the boundary string. The complexities involve dealing with the different MIME content-types and how to handle them. Not all MIME parts are attachments, as they could be an HTML version of the email, as version in a different language, etc. It's been a while since I have looked at the MIME modules, but I am pretty sure the recent versions handle almost every encoding/decoding method and can easily extract different parts. Depending on what the agent is designed to do, you may be able to ignore many content-types, but beware that not all MTA's properly conform to the MIME 1.0 standard. Regards, Keary Suska Mgr., Information Technologies Frequent Flyer Services http://www.webflyer.com/ mailto: aksuska@webflyer.com (719) 597-8899 x737 (719) 597-6855 (fax) > From: Vance Dubberly > Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 14:53:29 -0600 > To: Pikes-Peak Perl Mongers > Subject: Re: MIME encoded attachments > > John, > Mail attachements are usually uuencoded, sometimes base64, if you read > mail using elm or mail or whatever program you'll see attachments are just a > long series of rows of ascii text actually embedded in the email message. > What I've done in the past is parse the email looking for the boundaries ( > "Content-Type: multipart/mixed" boundary="some_ugly_string") pulled out the > encoded part, written it to a file and then used either a system call or > Convert::UU to decode the file. > > -v > > on 8/9/00 1:04 PM, John Evans at evansj@kilnar.com wrote: > >> I finally talked my boss into letting me do a little Perl for a large >> project. It's a small bit, but at least it's a start. Anyway... >> >> What I'm doing is using Mail::POP3Client to log into a POP3 server and >> slurp off emails with attachments. Those attachments are MIME encoded so I >> figure I'll use the MIME::Tools modules to decode the attachments. >> >> The documentation (perldoc) is pretty convoluted (is MIME really that >> complex?) and I was wondering if anyone had other documentation that they >> could refer me to for MIME stuff or if they had done something like this >> themselves. >> >> Any input or insight would be great. >> >> Thanks! > > Vance Dubberly > Director of Application Development > ColoradoSprings.com - WOW! Marketing > Freedom Interactive Media of Colorado, Inc. > 219 W Colorado, Suite 204 > Colorado Springs, Colorado 80918 > 719.577.4848 x101 > --------------------------------------- > It really doesn't get any easier than this and it all > starts right here at ColoradoSprings.com > the hottest jobs around town, > what's going on in your neighborhood, > the get it all mall, your new wheels, > your next house and so much more... > all in one place! > If it's local - it's on ColoradoSprings.com! > > --------------------------------------- > ColoradoSprings.com, your local homepage, includes > AUTOfinder, BUSINESSfinder, Digital Village, Get it > All Mall, HOMEfinder, PEAKlinks.com and WorkAvenue. > Great places to shop and find local information! > ---------------------------------------- > http://ColoradoSprings.com > http://Gazette.com > http://WOWMarketing.com > ------------------------------------------------------ > One of the symptoms of approaching nervous breakdown > is the belief that one's work is terribly important. > If I were a medical man, I should prescribe a holiday > to any patient who considered his work important. > > Bertrand Russell > ------------------------------------------------------ > From tbc at spamcop.net Thu Aug 10 14:56:36 2000 From: tbc at spamcop.net (Tim Chambers) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:51 2004 Subject: Job Opportunity (taken offline) Message-ID: <014a01c00305$185de3a0$80441d82@cos.agilent.com> Dear Perl Mongers, The newest of the members haven't seen our "offline" discussions since joining, and a member wrote to me today about a job *he* has open. So here's my periodic blurb: Rather than clutter the list with a jobs discussion, let's take it offline (http://www.takeitoffline.com/). Visit this URL if you're interested in job opportunities: http://www.takeitoffline.com/1/H/NuLK8Ll3CxritWqkut7.html (If you have a job opening, write up the posting at this URL, then send an announcement to the list that points people there.) For a previous offline discussion re. an Internet Start-up, see . <>< Tim Chambers Founder, Pikes Peak Perl Mongers http://pikes-peak.pm.org/ From tbc at spamcop.net Wed Aug 16 16:19:22 2000 From: tbc at spamcop.net (Tim Chambers) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:51 2004 Subject: O'Reilly Needs Guinea Pigs...Any Volunteers? Message-ID: <00a101c007c7$a6a213e0$80441d82@cos.agilent.com> Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 13:02:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Denise Olliffe Message-Id: <200008162002.NAA26087@rock.west.ora.com> To: distribution Subject: O'Reilly Needs Guinea Pigs...Any Volunteers? What technologies are your group members excited about? Where do they smell vaporware? We want you or members of your group to tell us all about it. We invite you to join O'Reilly's new email survey research panel, and give us your two cents. You can sign up at http://www.survey.com/orpanel.html -- it only takes a few minutes. As a thank you for your time and insight, we'll give you a 25% discount on all O'Reilly books purchased through the O'Reilly Web site for one year (5% more than the regular UG discount), plus enter you in a drawing for one of 200 "Official O'Reilly Guinea Pig" T-shirts. A few important details: After you register for the panel, you'll receive short email invitations to participate in surveys, either from O'Reilly & Associates or Survey.com, our partner in this endeavor. When you enroll, you choose how often you're interested in hearing from us. Membership and participation is entirely voluntary, and you may leave the panel at any time. There's also no obligation to participate in any particular survey. We promise that all information you submit will be kept confidential. We will never sell or rent your personal information. If you order books directly from us, we'll send you our book catalog three or four times a year (if you don't want it, just ask us not to send it). If you feel your members would be interested in particpating, please pass this invitation on to them. --Denise :) From gwalters at harrison.k12.co.us Thu Aug 17 08:02:46 2000 From: gwalters at harrison.k12.co.us (Greg Walters) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:51 2004 Subject: O'Reilly Needs Guinea Pigs...Any Volunteers? References: <00a101c007c7$a6a213e0$80441d82@cos.agilent.com> Message-ID: <399BE276.4A985C0@harrison.k12.co.us> Tim Chambers wrote: > Subject: O'Reilly Needs Guinea Pigs...Any Volunteers? I bit. Survey wants to know mostly about your work/corporate environment. E.g., how much does your bussiness spend on thechnology each year? We'll see what happens. Greg Walters From tbc at spamcop.net Thu Aug 17 10:13:29 2000 From: tbc at spamcop.net (Tim Chambers) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:51 2004 Subject: Denver Perl Mongers meeting Message-ID: <002301c0085d$b3c6b9e0$80441d82@cos.agilent.com> [Seen at . - tbc] Come one, come all, to the August Perl Mongers meeting. Where: Dave & Busters I-25 at Colorado Blvd. (303) 759-1515 Just exit Colorado Blvd. from I-25 - You can't miss it. When: Tuesday, August 22nd 6:00pm Michael Granger, Senior Web Developer for Active.com, will be presenting "Advanced Web Application Design in Perl." Michael has been hard at work building Active.com's next generation application server, templating system, and Oracle table adapter, now in beta release. He also bears the distinction of having led the Active.com development team to 2nd place in the Perl Quiz Show at the Perl Whirl, led by Larry Wall. (We lost 1st place to a team led by Lincoln Stein.) A more complete announcement is available at denver.pm.org. From tbc at spamcop.net Thu Aug 31 15:31:31 2000 From: tbc at spamcop.net (Tim Chambers) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:51 2004 Subject: time to plan Perl Mongers September lunch... Message-ID: <013701c0138a$737a8dc0$80441d82@cos.agilent.com> It's next Thursday at 11:30. Mark your calendars now. Labor Day makes next week shorter than usual. We've been meeting in central spots. But how about cutting our southern members some slack and doing something downtown? How about the Indian Palate on Bijou between Tejon and Nevada? Just a thought. Please reply to all with your own suggestions. <>< Tim Chambers Founder, Pikes Peak Perl Mongers http://pikes-peak.pm.org/ From vance at coloradosprings.com Thu Aug 31 15:38:05 2000 From: vance at coloradosprings.com (Vance Dubberly) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:51 2004 Subject: time to plan Perl Mongers September lunch... In-Reply-To: <013701c0138a$737a8dc0$80441d82@cos.agilent.com> Message-ID: Always a favorite of mine.. vance on 8/31/00 2:31 PM, Tim Chambers at tbc@spamcop.net wrote: > How about the Indian Palate on Bijou between Tejon and Nevada? Vance Dubberly Director of Application Development ColoradoSprings.com - WOW! Marketing Freedom Interactive Media of Colorado, Inc. 219 W Colorado, Suite 204 Colorado Springs, Colorado 80918 719.577.4848 x101 --------------------------------------- It really doesn't get any easier than this and it all starts right here at ColoradoSprings.com the hottest jobs around town, what's going on in your neighborhood, the get it all mall, your new wheels, your next house and so much more... all in one place! If it's local - it's on ColoradoSprings.com! --------------------------------------- ColoradoSprings.com, your local homepage, includes AUTOfinder, BUSINESSfinder, Digital Village, Get it All Mall, HOMEfinder, PEAKlinks.com and WorkAvenue. Great places to shop and find local information! ---------------------------------------- http://ColoradoSprings.com http://Gazette.com http://WOWMarketing.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The reality of the imagination leaves out nothing. It is the most complete reality we can know. Imagination takes in the world of sense experience, and rather than trading it for a world of symbols, delights in it for what it is. -- Jeanette Winterson Imagination and Reality