; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 14:52:45 -0700 (MST) Received: (from dwc at localhost) by jeeves.stilyagin.com (8.13.8/8.13.4/Submit) id l33LqjtO009272 for main at bsd.phoenix.az.us; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 14:52:45 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 14:52:45 -0700 From: Darrin Chandler To: main at bsd.phoenix.az.us Subject: [PhxBUG] Meeting Tonight Message-ID: <20070403215245.GC23813 at jeeves.stilyagin.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.12-2006-07-14 Sender: owner-main at bsd.phoenix.az.us Precedence: bulk Reply-To: main at bsd.phoenix.az.us Tonight I will present some highlights of the latest features in OpenBSD, many of which will be included in the upcoming 4.1 release. Others are available in current snapshots. Some of these are very exciting from a practical standpoint. Hoststated is great, changes and additions to spamd, and the list goes on. We're meeting at 7:00pm at GIOS, in the southeast corner of the southeast corner of Mill & University in Tempe. Parking in the lot is free beginning at 7pm. After the meeting we'll meet up at Casey Moore's, which is within walking distance. I hope to see you all there! -- Darrin Chandler | Phoenix BSD User Group | MetaBUG dwchandler at stilyagin.com | http://phxbug.org/ | http://metabug.org/ http://www.stilyagin.com/ | Daemons in the Desert | Global BUG Federation ----- End forwarded message ----- From scott at illogics.org Mon Apr 9 11:56:19 2007 From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 11:56:19 -0700 Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Fwd: UG News: O'Reilly School of Technology Launches; Discount for Group Members Message-ID: <20070409185618.GQ11175@slowass.net> Hi all, Okay, I'm moderately impressed that ORA is going through a real University rather than trying to launch a distance ed thing from the ground up (do all the work, keep all the money, suck at it, etc). I need to look and see if they make you learn algorithms and work through the dragon book. If so, I'll be really impressed. Anyway, if you're looking to spruce your resume or move into technology (about 8 years late, aren't ya?), this could be a good deal. And ORA sends us books, as you know if you've made a few meetings. And I'm not above selling ya'll out for free books >=) -scott ----- Forwarded message from Marsee Henon ----- From: Marsee Henon To: scott at illogics.org Subject: UG News: O'Reilly School of Technology Launches; Discount for Group Members Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 13:02:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit List-Unsubscribe: Message-Id: Hi, We're excited to release the following news. 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Register online: Group leaders--post a discount banner on your group's site and I'll send you the book of your choice: --Marsee Henon ================================================================ O'Reilly 1005 Gravenstein Highway North Sebastopol, CA 95472 http://ug.oreilly.com/ http://ug.oreilly.com/creativemedia/ ================================================================ ----- End forwarded message ----- From pm at upt.org Tue Apr 10 19:52:02 2007 From: pm at upt.org (Lane Davis) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 19:52:02 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Phoenix-pm] PM list question Message-ID: What is the policy (if any), or preference with regareds to reposting Perl related job offers? This isn't coming from me (I'm not a recruiter). I do however get inquiries and was wondering if there was any benefit to posting them here? Cheers all, -Lane From awwaiid at thelackthereof.org Tue Apr 10 23:40:21 2007 From: awwaiid at thelackthereof.org (Brock) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 23:40:21 -0700 Subject: [Phoenix-pm] PM list question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070411064021.GE19229@thelackthereof.org> Well... the policy is that it depends on how interesting it is :) Actually, and very importantly, I highly prefer it to be posted on jobs.perl.org. I am willing to compromise, however. If a poster would like to come and tell us (present at a meeting) about the interesting things that they do with perl, then they can recruit all they want. --Brock On 2007.04.10.19.52, Lane Davis wrote: | | What is the policy (if any), or preference with regareds to reposting Perl | related job offers? This isn't coming from me (I'm not a recruiter). I do | however get inquiries and was wondering if there was any benefit to posting | them here? | | Cheers all, | -Lane | | _______________________________________________ | Phoenix-pm mailing list | Phoenix-pm at pm.org | http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm From pm at upt.org Wed Apr 11 08:21:05 2007 From: pm at upt.org (Lane Davis) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 08:21:05 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Phoenix-pm] PM list question In-Reply-To: <20070411064021.GE19229@thelackthereof.org> Message-ID: On 11-Apr-2007 Brock wrote: > Well... the policy is that it depends on how interesting it is :) > > Actually, and very importantly, I highly prefer it to be posted on > jobs.perl.org. I am willing to compromise, however. If a poster would > like to come and tell us (present at a meeting) about the interesting > things that they do with perl, then they can recruit all they want. > > --Brock > I don't think this qualifies at all--as to interesting nor do I believe the recruiter that contacted me would be able to present anything at a meeting. In fact the recruiter originally asked me if I knew of anyone that had experience with "Pearl". I'll send them to the jobs website... Cheers, -Lane From awwaiid at thelackthereof.org Wed Apr 11 08:28:13 2007 From: awwaiid at thelackthereof.org (Brock) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 08:28:13 -0700 Subject: [Phoenix-pm] PM list question In-Reply-To: References: <20070411064021.GE19229@thelackthereof.org> Message-ID: <20070411152813.GF19229@thelackthereof.org> On 2007.04.11.08.21, Lane Davis wrote: | | On 11-Apr-2007 Brock wrote: | > Well... the policy is that it depends on how interesting it is :) | > | > Actually, and very importantly, I highly prefer it to be posted on | > jobs.perl.org. I am willing to compromise, however. If a poster would | > like to come and tell us (present at a meeting) about the interesting | > things that they do with perl, then they can recruit all they want. | > | > --Brock | > | | I don't think this qualifies at all--as to interesting nor do I believe the | recruiter that contacted me would be able to present anything at a meeting. | | In fact the recruiter originally asked me if I knew of anyone that had | experience with "Pearl". | | I'll send them to the jobs website... Excellent. Though I have to be more specific -- by interesting I don't necessarily mean interesting to me, it could be interesting to the general perl group. Introductory-level presentations are just as valuable (and sometimes even more) than interesting/advanced. :) --Brock From awwaiid at thelackthereof.org Thu Apr 12 00:37:20 2007 From: awwaiid at thelackthereof.org (Brock) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 00:37:20 -0700 Subject: [Phoenix-pm] small custom apps to make life worth living - post notes to google calendar Message-ID: <20070412073720.GH19229@thelackthereof.org> At our last meeting we talked a bit about those small programs we whipped up in 5 minutes and then refined over years -- the ones that save tremendous amounts of time or add significant convenience in small amounts of code. I presented polly, my multi-media player wrapper. Today I wrote up a blog entry on a command-line note taking program I use. And the slight extension of the thing for the day is to make it post to Google Calendar using the very lovely Net::Google::Calendar. Since there was interest in the other program, I thought I'd share this too. http://thelackthereof.org/TLT/2007.04.11/Note_to_Self..._er..._Google_Calendar I think that we should come up with a code-size vs time/convenience impact index that we can apply to programs. Code size I say we measure in gzipped bytes... but I'm not so sure how to measure time-saved or convenience-added :) What are y'all up to? --Brock From pm at upt.org Thu Apr 19 08:20:32 2007 From: pm at upt.org (Lane Davis) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 08:20:32 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Perl developer job Message-ID: I don't know how interesting this job actually is, but any job that includes "taunting PHP developers" can't be that bad. The recruiter's name and contact info is at the end, should anyone be interested: ---BEGIN--- Job Description: Required skills: * Perl * Web-based applications - This is crucial! Our platform is web-based * Object Oriented Design and Programming * Ability to design solutions and solve problems * MySQL knowledge and general SQL know-how * Linux - You don't need to be a SysAdmin, but you will need to be able to set up your own development sandbox, and work with cvs. * Communication skills, written and verbal, are essential Desired skills: * mod_perl * Apache - The basics of running it * Ability to effectively taunt our one developer that prefers PHP * Java * JavaScript * HTML * CSS * Subversion Ryan Harding Sapphire Technologies Technical Recruiter 2355 East Camelback Road Suite 435 Phoenix, Arizona 85016 Office: (602) 954-4044 Fax: (602) 954-9168 www.sapphire.com ---END--- From awwaiid at thelackthereof.org Thu Apr 19 08:30:54 2007 From: awwaiid at thelackthereof.org (Brock) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 08:30:54 -0700 Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Perl developer job In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070419153054.GB19229@thelackthereof.org> On 2007.04.19.08.20, Lane Davis wrote: | | I don't know how interesting this job actually is, but any job that includes | "taunting PHP developers" can't be that bad. The recruiter's name and contact | info is at the end, should anyone be interested: Hah! True indeed. On an unrelated note, we should have a meeting soon. Doesn't that sound FANTASTIC?! --Brock From phx-pm-list at grueslayer.com Thu Apr 19 09:13:09 2007 From: phx-pm-list at grueslayer.com (David A. Sinck) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 09:13:09 -0700 Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Perl developer job References: Message-ID: <17959.38165.239512.455015@magnitude.grueslayer.com> \_ SMTP quoth Lane Davis on 4/19/2007 08:20 as having spake thusly: \_ \_ \_ I don't know how interesting this job actually is, but any job that includes \_ "taunting PHP developers" can't be that bad. The recruiter's name and contact \_ info is at the end, should anyone be interested: \_ \_ ---BEGIN--- \_ Job Description: \_ \_ Required skills: \_ * Perl \_ * Web-based applications - This is crucial! Our platform is web-based \_ * Object Oriented Design and Programming \_ * Ability to design solutions and solve problems \_ * MySQL knowledge and general SQL know-how \_ * Linux - You don't need to be a SysAdmin, but you will need to be able to set \_ up your own development sandbox, and work with cvs. \_ * Communication skills, written and verbal, are essential \_ \_ Desired skills: \_ * mod_perl \_ * Apache - The basics of running it \_ * Ability to effectively taunt our one developer that prefers PHP \_ * Java \_ * JavaScript \_ * HTML \_ * CSS \_ \_ * Subversion This gig is in Scottsdale for IncentiveLogic (.com), see also: http://seeker.dice.com/jobsearch/servlet/JobSearch?op=302&dockey=xml/9/1/918a936fc2be190b697803dfe84ffc89 at endecaindex&source=19&FREE_TEXT=perl There was a perl jobs posting from which this was pulled, but it seems to be expired. Direct cover letter/resume/code sample (required) to perljobs at incentivelogic.com if you're interested. And yes, Taunting the PHP guy is fun. :-) David From dwchandler at stilyagin.com Thu Apr 19 11:59:03 2007 From: dwchandler at stilyagin.com (Darrin Chandler) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 11:59:03 -0700 Subject: [Phoenix-pm] YAJP (yet another job posting) - Los Angeles ONLY Message-ID: <20070419185902.GB20690@jeeves.stilyagin.com> I know there are some people on this list now living elsewhere. If anyone living in LA is looking, check out http://bsd.phoenix.az.us/node/148 Otherwise, sorry for the noise. -- Darrin Chandler | Phoenix BSD User Group | MetaBUG dwchandler at stilyagin.com | http://phxbug.org/ | http://metabug.org/ http://www.stilyagin.com/ | Daemons in the Desert | Global BUG Federation From pm at upt.org Thu Apr 19 20:00:46 2007 From: pm at upt.org (Lane Davis) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 20:00:46 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Perl developer job In-Reply-To: <17959.38165.239512.455015@magnitude.grueslayer.com> Message-ID: Ah, Actually, the recruiter had (especially nicely) asked me not to say the name of the company in the job posting, but.. at this stage it's too late and besides nobody said any different. Fair is fair I s'pose :-) -L On 19-Apr-2007 David A. Sinck wrote: > > > \_ SMTP quoth Lane Davis on 4/19/2007 08:20 as having spake thusly: > \_ > \_ > \_ I don't know how interesting this job actually is, but any job that > includes > \_ "taunting PHP developers" can't be that bad. The recruiter's name and > contact > \_ info is at the end, should anyone be interested: > \_ > \_ ---BEGIN--- > \_ Job Description: > \_ > \_ Required skills: > \_ * Perl > \_ * Web-based applications - This is crucial! Our platform is web-based > \_ * Object Oriented Design and Programming > \_ * Ability to design solutions and solve problems > \_ * MySQL knowledge and general SQL know-how > \_ * Linux - You don't need to be a SysAdmin, but you will need to be able to > set > \_ up your own development sandbox, and work with cvs. > \_ * Communication skills, written and verbal, are essential > \_ > \_ Desired skills: > \_ * mod_perl > \_ * Apache - The basics of running it > \_ * Ability to effectively taunt our one developer that prefers PHP > \_ * Java > \_ * JavaScript > \_ * HTML > \_ * CSS > \_ > \_ * Subversion > > > This gig is in Scottsdale for IncentiveLogic (.com), see also: > > http://seeker.dice.com/jobsearch/servlet/JobSearch?op=302&dockey=xml/9/1/918a9 > 36fc2be190b697803dfe84ffc89 at endecaindex&source=19&FREE_TEXT=perl > > There was a perl jobs posting from which this was pulled, but it seems > to be expired. > > Direct cover letter/resume/code sample (required) to > perljobs at incentivelogic.com if you're interested. > > And yes, Taunting the PHP guy is fun. :-) > > David From awwaiid at thelackthereof.org Thu Apr 19 21:05:01 2007 From: awwaiid at thelackthereof.org (Brock) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 21:05:01 -0700 Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Perl developer job In-Reply-To: References: <17959.38165.239512.455015@magnitude.grueslayer.com> Message-ID: <20070420040501.GE19229@thelackthereof.org> On 2007.04.19.20.00, Lane Davis wrote: | | Ah, | | Actually, the recruiter had (especially nicely) asked me not to say the name of | the company in the job posting, but.. at this stage it's too late and besides | nobody said any different. Fair is fair I s'pose :-) | | -L Ahh, the increasing danger that is the internets! What would the motivation be for posting a job and not listing the name of the company? Seems to me you'd want to attract good programmers by going beyond the technical buzzwords and delving into the social, political, and philisopical interest one might have in working for them (beyond the taunting of the PHP lovers). Unless, I suppose, it isn't an interesting job :) Maybe some sort of "stealth mode"? --Brock From phx-pm-list at grueslayer.com Thu Apr 19 22:04:40 2007 From: phx-pm-list at grueslayer.com (David A. Sinck) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 22:04:40 -0700 Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Perl developer job References: <17959.38165.239512.455015@magnitude.grueslayer.com> <20070420040501.GE19229@thelackthereof.org> Message-ID: <17960.18920.70044.168929@magnitude.grueslayer.com> \_ SMTP quoth Brock on 4/19/2007 21:05 as having spake thusly: \_ \_ On 2007.04.19.20.00, Lane Davis wrote: \_ | \_ | Ah, \_ | \_ | Actually, the recruiter had (especially nicely) asked me not to say the name of \_ | the company in the job posting, but.. at this stage it's too late and besides \_ | nobody said any different. Fair is fair I s'pose :-) If I wasn't affiliated with said company, I probably wouldn't have mentioned it. \_ | \_ | -L \_ \_ Ahh, the increasing danger that is the internets! Or a local talent pool that all subscribes to the same groups/email lists. \_ What would the motivation be for posting a job and not listing the name \_ of the company? *We* did. The recruiter is probably looking for a slice of the action to get paid would be my guess. If you're more comfortable letting someone else negotiate your working terms, that's up to you. \_ Seems to me you'd want to attract good programmers by \_ going beyond the technical buzzwords and delving into the social, \_ political, and philisopical interest one might have in working for them \_ (beyond the taunting of the PHP lovers). We have multiple shiny objects! :-) \_ Unless, I suppose, it isn't an interesting job :) \_ \_ Maybe some sort of "stealth mode"? Ha. Hardly stealth. Incentive Logic survived the 2000 .bomb and has a full PR and HR approved website that will go into everything one would want to know. As far as interesting, that all depends on the measuring stick you're using, doesn't it? :-) Besides working with me, what else could you want? :-) Cheers, David From dwchandler at stilyagin.com Thu Apr 19 20:05:50 2007 From: dwchandler at stilyagin.com (Darrin Chandler) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 20:05:50 -0700 Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Perl developer job In-Reply-To: References: <17959.38165.239512.455015@magnitude.grueslayer.com> Message-ID: <20070420030550.GB1112@jeeves.stilyagin.com> On Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 08:00:46PM -0700, Lane Davis wrote: > > Ah, > > Actually, the recruiter had (especially nicely) asked me not to say the name of > the company in the job posting, but.. at this stage it's too late and besides > nobody said any different. Fair is fair I s'pose :-) > > -L Well, *you* didn't say it. You also didn't encourage anyone else to let it slip. Cat's out of the bag now... -- Darrin Chandler | Phoenix BSD User Group | MetaBUG dwchandler at stilyagin.com | http://phxbug.org/ | http://metabug.org/ http://www.stilyagin.com/ | Daemons in the Desert | Global BUG Federation From awwaiid at thelackthereof.org Thu Apr 26 12:24:24 2007 From: awwaiid at thelackthereof.org (Brock) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 12:24:24 -0700 Subject: [Phoenix-pm] [dha@panix.com: [pm_groups] White Camel awards nominations] Message-ID: <20070426192424.GK9495@thelackthereof.org> ----- Forwarded message from "David H. Adler" ----- Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 14:24:03 -0400 Subject: [pm_groups] White Camel awards nominations From: "David H. Adler" User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.10i To: PM Group list Nominations are now open for the White Camel awards, given for community-oriented contributions to perl (previous winners can be found at http://www.perl.org/advocacy/white_camel/). Nominations are open to the public. If you could let your members know that they can submit them to whitecamel-suggestions at perl.org until the end of May 31st, that would be swell. thanks, dha -- David H. Adler - - http://www.panix.com/~dha/ she's a lovetarian especially in the form of puppies - Jellyfish, Sebrina, Paste and Plato -- Request pm.org Technical Support via support at pm.org pm_groups mailing list pm_groups at pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pm_groups ----- End forwarded message -----