From scott at illogics.org  Sat Jul  1 22:38:13 2006
From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters)
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 05:38:13 +0000
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Andy Lester to Phoenix for "Technical Debt" talk
In-Reply-To: <e0d2adc80606292325v5680c36fr2deedec5040272aa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e0d2adc80606292325v5680c36fr2deedec5040272aa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060702053813.GY29588@illogics.org>

Hi Perl Mongers,

If we're willing to pay airfare, we can get well-known Perl personalities as 
speakers.  In the past, we've had Randal Schwartz out of luck and Dan Sugalski
as part of the Perl 6 world tour, but if we get about 17 people to pony up 
$20, we can do fun things like this a lot more often.  Andy Lester has already
offered to come out.  Andy Lester did a "Get out of Technical Debt" talk at
YAPC.  There's a description at 
http://www.yapcchicago.org/the-schedule/monday/m-abstracts#em1420 .
That's the talk we'd probably get.  

Andy Lester wrote WWW::Mechanize and _Pro Perl Debugging_ for APress.

Here's what I want:  Respond with a "me too" if you're willing to commit a
$20 to flying in a speaker and Brock and I (hi Brock) will handle the rest.
Consider asking your employer to sponser part of the cost, too -- especially
if an employer is willing to pay for hotel, we'll have a much more attractive
proposition.

-scott


From scott at illogics.org  Sat Jul  1 22:47:18 2006
From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters)
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 05:47:18 +0000
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Andy Lester to Phoenix for "Technical Debt" talk
In-Reply-To: <20060702053813.GY29588@illogics.org>
References: <e0d2adc80606292325v5680c36fr2deedec5040272aa@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060702053813.GY29588@illogics.org>
Message-ID: <20060702054718.GZ29588@illogics.org>

Here's a sample of Andy's writing:

http://www.oreillynet.com/onlamp/blog/2006/06/spreading_knowledge_through_ta.html

On  0, Scott Walters <scott at illogics.org> wrote:
> Hi Perl Mongers,
> 
> If we're willing to pay airfare, we can get well-known Perl personalities as 
> speakers.  In the past, we've had Randal Schwartz out of luck and Dan Sugalski
> as part of the Perl 6 world tour, but if we get about 17 people to pony up 
> $20, we can do fun things like this a lot more often.  Andy Lester has already
> offered to come out.  Andy Lester did a "Get out of Technical Debt" talk at
> YAPC.  There's a description at 
> http://www.yapcchicago.org/the-schedule/monday/m-abstracts#em1420 .
> That's the talk we'd probably get.  
> 
> Andy Lester wrote WWW::Mechanize and _Pro Perl Debugging_ for APress.
> 
> Here's what I want:  Respond with a "me too" if you're willing to commit a
> $20 to flying in a speaker and Brock and I (hi Brock) will handle the rest.
> Consider asking your employer to sponser part of the cost, too -- especially
> if an employer is willing to pay for hotel, we'll have a much more attractive
> proposition.
> 
> -scott
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Phoenix-pm mailing list
> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm

From awwaiid at thelackthereof.org  Sun Jul  2 00:11:46 2006
From: awwaiid at thelackthereof.org (Brock)
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 00:11:46 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Andy Lester to Phoenix for "Technical Debt" talk
In-Reply-To: <20060702053813.GY29588@illogics.org>
References: <e0d2adc80606292325v5680c36fr2deedec5040272aa@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060702053813.GY29588@illogics.org>
Message-ID: <20060702071146.GA19653@thelackthereof.org>

me too. (hi scott)

--Brock

On 2006.07.02.05.38, Scott Walters wrote:
| Hi Perl Mongers,
| 
| If we're willing to pay airfare, we can get well-known Perl personalities as 
| speakers.  In the past, we've had Randal Schwartz out of luck and Dan Sugalski
| as part of the Perl 6 world tour, but if we get about 17 people to pony up 
| $20, we can do fun things like this a lot more often.  Andy Lester has already
| offered to come out.  Andy Lester did a "Get out of Technical Debt" talk at
| YAPC.  There's a description at 
| http://www.yapcchicago.org/the-schedule/monday/m-abstracts#em1420 .
| That's the talk we'd probably get.  
| 
| Andy Lester wrote WWW::Mechanize and _Pro Perl Debugging_ for APress.
| 
| Here's what I want:  Respond with a "me too" if you're willing to commit a
| $20 to flying in a speaker and Brock and I (hi Brock) will handle the rest.
| Consider asking your employer to sponser part of the cost, too -- especially
| if an employer is willing to pay for hotel, we'll have a much more attractive
| proposition.
| 
| -scott
| 
| _______________________________________________
| Phoenix-pm mailing list
| Phoenix-pm at pm.org
| http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm

From intertwingled at qwest.net  Sun Jul  2 01:24:19 2006
From: intertwingled at qwest.net (Anthony R. Nemmer)
Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 01:24:19 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Andy Lester to Phoenix for "Technical Debt" talk
In-Reply-To: <20060702071146.GA19653@thelackthereof.org>
References: <e0d2adc80606292325v5680c36fr2deedec5040272aa@mail.gmail.com>	<20060702053813.GY29588@illogics.org>
	<20060702071146.GA19653@thelackthereof.org>
Message-ID: <44A782B3.4030304@qwest.net>

I bought the food and beer...

http://www.users.qwest.net/~intertwingled/hooters/

the waitress was a ding. =)

Brock wrote:
> me too. (hi scott)
> 
> --Brock
> 
> On 2006.07.02.05.38, Scott Walters wrote:
> | Hi Perl Mongers,
> | 
> | If we're willing to pay airfare, we can get well-known Perl personalities as 
> | speakers.  In the past, we've had Randal Schwartz out of luck and Dan Sugalski
> | as part of the Perl 6 world tour, but if we get about 17 people to pony up 
> | $20, we can do fun things like this a lot more often.  Andy Lester has already
> | offered to come out.  Andy Lester did a "Get out of Technical Debt" talk at
> | YAPC.  There's a description at 
> | http://www.yapcchicago.org/the-schedule/monday/m-abstracts#em1420 .
> | That's the talk we'd probably get.  
> | 
> | Andy Lester wrote WWW::Mechanize and _Pro Perl Debugging_ for APress.
> | 
> | Here's what I want:  Respond with a "me too" if you're willing to commit a
> | $20 to flying in a speaker and Brock and I (hi Brock) will handle the rest.
> | Consider asking your employer to sponser part of the cost, too -- especially
> | if an employer is willing to pay for hotel, we'll have a much more attractive
> | proposition.
> | 
> | -scott
> | 
> | _______________________________________________
> | Phoenix-pm mailing list
> | Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> | http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
> _______________________________________________
> Phoenix-pm mailing list
> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
> 
> 


-- 

I always have coffee when I watch radar!

From scott at illogics.org  Sun Jul  2 01:58:54 2006
From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters)
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 08:58:54 +0000
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Andy Lester to Phoenix for "Technical Debt" talk
In-Reply-To: <44A782B3.4030304@qwest.net>
References: <e0d2adc80606292325v5680c36fr2deedec5040272aa@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060702053813.GY29588@illogics.org>
	<20060702071146.GA19653@thelackthereof.org>
	<44A782B3.4030304@qwest.net>
Message-ID: <20060702085854.GB29588@illogics.org>

Very nice.  So then can I count this as a "me too"?

-scott

On  0, "Anthony R. Nemmer" <intertwingled at qwest.net> wrote:
> I bought the food and beer...
> 
> http://www.users.qwest.net/~intertwingled/hooters/
> 
> the waitress was a ding. =)
> 
> Brock wrote:
> > me too. (hi scott)
> > 
> > --Brock
> > 
> > On 2006.07.02.05.38, Scott Walters wrote:
> > | Hi Perl Mongers,
> > | 
> > | If we're willing to pay airfare, we can get well-known Perl personalities as 
> > | speakers.  In the past, we've had Randal Schwartz out of luck and Dan Sugalski
> > | as part of the Perl 6 world tour, but if we get about 17 people to pony up 
> > | $20, we can do fun things like this a lot more often.  Andy Lester has already
> > | offered to come out.  Andy Lester did a "Get out of Technical Debt" talk at
> > | YAPC.  There's a description at 
> > | http://www.yapcchicago.org/the-schedule/monday/m-abstracts#em1420 .
> > | That's the talk we'd probably get.  
> > | 
> > | Andy Lester wrote WWW::Mechanize and _Pro Perl Debugging_ for APress.
> > | 
> > | Here's what I want:  Respond with a "me too" if you're willing to commit a
> > | $20 to flying in a speaker and Brock and I (hi Brock) will handle the rest.
> > | Consider asking your employer to sponser part of the cost, too -- especially
> > | if an employer is willing to pay for hotel, we'll have a much more attractive
> > | proposition.
> > | 
> > | -scott
> > | 
> > | _______________________________________________
> > | Phoenix-pm mailing list
> > | Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> > | http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
> > _______________________________________________
> > Phoenix-pm mailing list
> > Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> I always have coffee when I watch radar!
> _______________________________________________
> Phoenix-pm mailing list
> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm

From scott at illogics.org  Mon Jul  3 02:04:02 2006
From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 09:04:02 +0000
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] 3 of 18:  Commit your $20 to flyin a speaker,
	you deadbeat
In-Reply-To: <20060702053813.GY29588@illogics.org>
References: <e0d2adc80606292325v5680c36fr2deedec5040272aa@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060702053813.GY29588@illogics.org>
Message-ID: <20060703090401.GL29588@illogics.org>

Don't make me go down the list of people who pretended to be excited 
to meet me or claimed to really enjoy a talk we've had to shake you
bastards down.  Let's make this easy on all of us, okay?  

I have three names.  One of them is mine and one is Brock's.  Let's
get with the program, here.

I have about 5 books for door prizes here, and I'm going to drive to
Flagstaff and release them to Book Crossing unless I see some 
improvement here.  Lazy ass losers...

-scott


From intertwingled at qwest.net  Mon Jul  3 06:43:53 2006
From: intertwingled at qwest.net (Anthony R. Nemmer)
Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 06:43:53 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] 3 of 18:  Commit your $20 to flyin a speaker,
 you deadbeat
In-Reply-To: <20060703090401.GL29588@illogics.org>
References: <e0d2adc80606292325v5680c36fr2deedec5040272aa@mail.gmail.com>	<20060702053813.GY29588@illogics.org>
	<20060703090401.GL29588@illogics.org>
Message-ID: <44A91F19.9040205@qwest.net>

Hey, I'm always excited to meet you! =D

Scott Walters wrote:
> Don't make me go down the list of people who pretended to be excited 
> to meet me or claimed to really enjoy a talk we've had to shake you
> bastards down.  Let's make this easy on all of us, okay?  
> 
> I have three names.  One of them is mine and one is Brock's.  Let's
> get with the program, here.
> 
> I have about 5 books for door prizes here, and I'm going to drive to
> Flagstaff and release them to Book Crossing unless I see some 
> improvement here.  Lazy ass losers...
> 
> -scott
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Phoenix-pm mailing list
> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
> 
> 


-- 

I always have coffee when I watch radar!

From awwaiid at thelackthereof.org  Mon Jul  3 07:44:24 2006
From: awwaiid at thelackthereof.org (Brock)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 07:44:24 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] 3 of 18:  Commit your $20 to flyin a speaker,
	you deadbeat
In-Reply-To: <20060703090401.GL29588@illogics.org>
References: <e0d2adc80606292325v5680c36fr2deedec5040272aa@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060702053813.GY29588@illogics.org>
	<20060703090401.GL29588@illogics.org>
Message-ID: <20060703144424.GD27307@thelackthereof.org>

patience! Holliday weekend you know.

I'm still thinking that a meeting on the friday july 21st (or near then)
would be great, we can talk about the ongoing ICFP and YAPC and all
sorts of things. I'm investigating venues (and looking for a more
permanent location for presentation-centric meetings) already.

--Brock

On 2006.07.03.09.04, Scott Walters wrote:
| Don't make me go down the list of people who pretended to be excited 
| to meet me or claimed to really enjoy a talk we've had to shake you
| bastards down.  Let's make this easy on all of us, okay?  
| 
| I have three names.  One of them is mine and one is Brock's.  Let's
| get with the program, here.
| 
| I have about 5 books for door prizes here, and I'm going to drive to
| Flagstaff and release them to Book Crossing unless I see some 
| improvement here.  Lazy ass losers...
| 
| -scott
| 
| _______________________________________________
| Phoenix-pm mailing list
| Phoenix-pm at pm.org
| http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm

From derek at ninth.org  Mon Jul  3 10:14:07 2006
From: derek at ninth.org (Derek Cline)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 10:14:07 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Andy Lester to Phoenix for "Technical Debt" talk
In-Reply-To: <20060702053813.GY29588@illogics.org>
References: <e0d2adc80606292325v5680c36fr2deedec5040272aa@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060702053813.GY29588@illogics.org>
Message-ID: <7F414919-84BA-45BE-8FD8-56148AE7B616@ninth.org>

Just getting back to my mail after the weekend... me too. :)

-=Derek


On Jul 1, 2006, at 10:38 PM, Scott Walters wrote:

> Hi Perl Mongers,
>
> If we're willing to pay airfare, we can get well-known Perl  
> personalities as
> speakers.  In the past, we've had Randal Schwartz out of luck and  
> Dan Sugalski
> as part of the Perl 6 world tour, but if we get about 17 people to  
> pony up
> $20, we can do fun things like this a lot more often.  Andy Lester  
> has already
> offered to come out.  Andy Lester did a "Get out of Technical Debt"  
> talk at
> YAPC.  There's a description at
> http://www.yapcchicago.org/the-schedule/monday/m-abstracts#em1420 .
> That's the talk we'd probably get.
>
> Andy Lester wrote WWW::Mechanize and _Pro Perl Debugging_ for APress.
>
> Here's what I want:  Respond with a "me too" if you're willing to  
> commit a
> $20 to flying in a speaker and Brock and I (hi Brock) will handle  
> the rest.
> Consider asking your employer to sponser part of the cost, too --  
> especially
> if an employer is willing to pay for hotel, we'll have a much more  
> attractive
> proposition.
>
> -scott
>
> _______________________________________________
> Phoenix-pm mailing list
> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm


From scott at illogics.org  Mon Jul  3 10:38:48 2006
From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 17:38:48 +0000
Subject: [Phoenix-pm]  5 of 18:  Commit your $20 to fly in a speaker,
	you vacationing losers
In-Reply-To: <20060703144424.GD27307@thelackthereof.org>
References: <e0d2adc80606292325v5680c36fr2deedec5040272aa@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060702053813.GY29588@illogics.org>
	<20060703090401.GL29588@illogics.org>
	<20060703144424.GD27307@thelackthereof.org>
Message-ID: <20060703173847.GO29588@illogics.org>

On  0, Brock <awwaiid at thelackthereof.org> wrote:
> patience! Holliday weekend you know.

Holidays are for the weak!

Still, thanks for those who spoke up.  I just wanted to make it clear, since
some doubt was expressed to me, that you're not helping *me* by giving me
your money, I'm helping *you* by taking on the unpleasant job of collecting
it and coordinating this.  I went to YAPC.  I saw Andy Lester.  I already
paid for one plane ticket.  This is for *you guys*.  There's some indication
that you're tired of hearing *me* speak and this is a chance for us to have
a significantly less lame meeting.  Got it? 

> I'm still thinking that a meeting on the friday july 21st (or near then)
> would be great, we can talk about the ongoing ICFP and YAPC and all
> sorts of things. I'm investigating venues (and looking for a more
> permanent location for presentation-centric meetings) already.

Hey, let's ask Google if they have meeting space.  They keep trying to
recruit us, so it might be in their interest.  And they can put a little
out.

-scott

From scott at illogics.org  Mon Jul  3 10:40:49 2006
From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 17:40:49 +0000
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] 5 of 18:  Commit your $20 to fly in a speaker,
	you vacationing losers
In-Reply-To: <20060703173847.GO29588@illogics.org>
References: <e0d2adc80606292325v5680c36fr2deedec5040272aa@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060702053813.GY29588@illogics.org>
	<20060703090401.GL29588@illogics.org>
	<20060703144424.GD27307@thelackthereof.org>
	<20060703173847.GO29588@illogics.org>
Message-ID: <20060703174049.GP29588@illogics.org>

Maybe I'm being unrealistic, but I'd like to do this every month or so with a 
different speaker.  Once we burn through all of the TPF, published authors,
celebreties from other technical backgrounds, etc, we'll start flying in
random schmucks from other PM groups to talk.

-scott

On  0, Scott Walters <scott at illogics.org> wrote:
> On  0, Brock <awwaiid at thelackthereof.org> wrote:
> > patience! Holliday weekend you know.
> 
> Holidays are for the weak!
> 
> Still, thanks for those who spoke up.  I just wanted to make it clear, since
> some doubt was expressed to me, that you're not helping *me* by giving me
> your money, I'm helping *you* by taking on the unpleasant job of collecting
> it and coordinating this.  I went to YAPC.  I saw Andy Lester.  I already
> paid for one plane ticket.  This is for *you guys*.  There's some indication
> that you're tired of hearing *me* speak and this is a chance for us to have
> a significantly less lame meeting.  Got it? 
> 
> > I'm still thinking that a meeting on the friday july 21st (or near then)
> > would be great, we can talk about the ongoing ICFP and YAPC and all
> > sorts of things. I'm investigating venues (and looking for a more
> > permanent location for presentation-centric meetings) already.
> 
> Hey, let's ask Google if they have meeting space.  They keep trying to
> recruit us, so it might be in their interest.  And they can put a little
> out.
> 
> -scott
> _______________________________________________
> Phoenix-pm mailing list
> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm

From awwaiid at thelackthereof.org  Mon Jul  3 10:52:21 2006
From: awwaiid at thelackthereof.org (Brock)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 10:52:21 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] 5 of 18:  Commit your $20 to fly in a speaker,
	you vacationing losers
In-Reply-To: <20060703174049.GP29588@illogics.org>
References: <e0d2adc80606292325v5680c36fr2deedec5040272aa@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060702053813.GY29588@illogics.org>
	<20060703090401.GL29588@illogics.org>
	<20060703144424.GD27307@thelackthereof.org>
	<20060703173847.GO29588@illogics.org>
	<20060703174049.GP29588@illogics.org>
Message-ID: <20060703175221.GE27307@thelackthereof.org>

Lets start with one :)

--Brock

On 2006.07.03.17.40, Scott Walters wrote:
| Maybe I'm being unrealistic, but I'd like to do this every month or so with a 
| different speaker.  Once we burn through all of the TPF, published authors,
| celebreties from other technical backgrounds, etc, we'll start flying in
| random schmucks from other PM groups to talk.
| 
| -scott


From friedman at highwire.stanford.edu  Mon Jul  3 10:54:10 2006
From: friedman at highwire.stanford.edu (Michael Friedman)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 10:54:10 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Staying in California
In-Reply-To: <20060703090401.GL29588@illogics.org>
References: <e0d2adc80606292325v5680c36fr2deedec5040272aa@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060702053813.GY29588@illogics.org>
	<20060703090401.GL29588@illogics.org>
Message-ID: <9322388B-95F1-4998-AA97-78CC127018A0@highwire.stanford.edu>

Phoenix PMers,

Well, my wife has resigned her position at ASU so that we are now  
staying in California for the foreseeable future. I have to admit,  
there are a lot of things about Phoenix that I am not going to miss  
(starting with 100 degree temps), but I will miss being able to  
attend Phoenix.pm meetings.

For example, I'd be really excited to hear Andy Lester or other  
luminaries come talk. It's hard to explain the airfare, hotel, and  
car to my budget, though. :-(

However, I've really enjoyed being on the mailing list this past  
year, even though I'm not in AZ. I read the postings after meetings  
(when there are any) and loved the writeups from YAPC recently. You  
may also have heard me rant about the lack of any perlmongers groups  
in Silicon Valley (wouldn't you think they'd gather, here of all  
places?). So, if it's OK with you guys, I'd like to stay on the  
mailing list as an "emeritus" member.

And, I'll happily chip in $20 to bring in a speaker, if someone tapes  
the talk and posts it where I can hear/see it.

-- Mike
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From awwaiid at thelackthereof.org  Mon Jul  3 10:53:01 2006
From: awwaiid at thelackthereof.org (Brock)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 10:53:01 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] 5 of 18:  Commit your $20 to fly in a speaker,
	you vacationing losers
In-Reply-To: <20060703173847.GO29588@illogics.org>
References: <e0d2adc80606292325v5680c36fr2deedec5040272aa@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060702053813.GY29588@illogics.org>
	<20060703090401.GL29588@illogics.org>
	<20060703144424.GD27307@thelackthereof.org>
	<20060703173847.GO29588@illogics.org>
Message-ID: <20060703175301.GF27307@thelackthereof.org>

On 2006.07.03.17.38, Scott Walters wrote:
| Hey, let's ask Google if they have meeting space.  They keep trying to
| recruit us, so it might be in their interest.  And they can put a little
| out.

Great Idea! Though they are a Python house. I'll call them.

--Brock


From scott at illogics.org  Mon Jul  3 11:27:35 2006
From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 18:27:35 +0000
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Staying in California
In-Reply-To: <9322388B-95F1-4998-AA97-78CC127018A0@highwire.stanford.edu>
References: <e0d2adc80606292325v5680c36fr2deedec5040272aa@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060702053813.GY29588@illogics.org>
	<20060703090401.GL29588@illogics.org>
	<9322388B-95F1-4998-AA97-78CC127018A0@highwire.stanford.edu>
Message-ID: <20060703182735.GQ29588@illogics.org>

Hi Michael,

On  0, Michael Friedman <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu> wrote:
> Phoenix PMers,
> 
> Well, my wife has resigned her position at ASU so that we are now  
> staying in California for the foreseeable future. I have to admit,  
> there are a lot of things about Phoenix that I am not going to miss  
> (starting with 100 degree temps), but I will miss being able to  
> attend Phoenix.pm meetings.

I'm glad California is agreeable to the both of you, but I'm sorry to 
see you go.  I don't mind the weather here as much as the culture
(or lack thereof), but I can relate to yearning to get out.

> For example, I'd be really excited to hear Andy Lester or other  
> luminaries come talk. It's hard to explain the airfare, hotel, and  
> car to my budget, though. :-(

That would be silly.  If you're going to fly somewhere to hear a 
talk, go to OSCON, or YAPC::Europe =)

> However, I've really enjoyed being on the mailing list this past  
> year, even though I'm not in AZ. I read the postings after meetings  
> (when there are any) and loved the writeups from YAPC recently. You  
> may also have heard me rant about the lack of any perlmongers groups  
> in Silicon Valley (wouldn't you think they'd gather, here of all  
> places?). So, if it's OK with you guys, I'd like to stay on the  
> mailing list as an "emeritus" member.

Absolutely.  There are plenty of people who never come to meetings but
hang out on the list.  We'd be ogres to kick you off while keeping on
people who haven't even come to one ;)

To speculate wildly, probably the only thing preventing a thriving a
PM group there is the nutso commute times and the even more nutso
commute times people would face if they had an additional stop in
some random location on the way home.  

> And, I'll happily chip in $20 to bring in a speaker, if someone tapes  
> the talk and posts it where I can hear/see it.

I'd have a hard time accepting that.  But I'll certainly use you as
an example when hitting other people up for money and they act like
they know for fact that I'm the devil rather than just strongly
suspecting as much.

However, I do want to ramp up recording meetings.  Maybe we can start
simulcasting them besides just recording them.  If the only incentive
to actually attending the meeting is to be able to heckle and ask
questions, I'd be fine with that.  Now, what software would I have to
use?  I've got an old analogue (I love the British) camcorder and a
Pinnacle Systems "PCTV USB" video grabber.  What software and services
do I need to stream live and record from Linux?  This is area I'm
very ignorant of.

Cheers,
-scott

> 
> -- Mike
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
> Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
> FAX:   270-721-8034                  <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From scott at illogics.org  Mon Jul  3 11:28:39 2006
From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 18:28:39 +0000
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] 5 of 18:  Commit your $20 to fly in a speaker,
	you vacationing losers
In-Reply-To: <20060703175301.GF27307@thelackthereof.org>
References: <e0d2adc80606292325v5680c36fr2deedec5040272aa@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060702053813.GY29588@illogics.org>
	<20060703090401.GL29588@illogics.org>
	<20060703144424.GD27307@thelackthereof.org>
	<20060703173847.GO29588@illogics.org>
	<20060703175301.GF27307@thelackthereof.org>
Message-ID: <20060703182839.GR29588@illogics.org>

I guess as they've grown, they've expanded in to quite a few technical
areas as well.  They're actually seeking and hiring Perl programmers.
Shocking, I know.  We're normally the scurge.

-scott

On  0, Brock <awwaiid at thelackthereof.org> wrote:
> On 2006.07.03.17.38, Scott Walters wrote:
> | Hey, let's ask Google if they have meeting space.  They keep trying to
> | recruit us, so it might be in their interest.  And they can put a little
> | out.
> 
> Great Idea! Though they are a Python house. I'll call them.
> 
> --Brock
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Phoenix-pm mailing list
> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm

From awwaiid at thelackthereof.org  Mon Jul  3 11:37:02 2006
From: awwaiid at thelackthereof.org (Brock)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 11:37:02 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Staying in California
In-Reply-To: <20060703182735.GQ29588@illogics.org>
References: <e0d2adc80606292325v5680c36fr2deedec5040272aa@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060702053813.GY29588@illogics.org>
	<20060703090401.GL29588@illogics.org>
	<9322388B-95F1-4998-AA97-78CC127018A0@highwire.stanford.edu>
	<20060703182735.GQ29588@illogics.org>
Message-ID: <20060703183702.GA743@thelackthereof.org>

On 2006.07.03.18.27, Scott Walters wrote:
| > (when there are any) and loved the writeups from YAPC recently. You  
| > may also have heard me rant about the lack of any perlmongers groups  
| > in Silicon Valley (wouldn't you think they'd gather, here of all  
| > places?). So, if it's OK with you guys, I'd like to stay on the  
| > mailing list as an "emeritus" member.

| ...
| To speculate wildly, probably the only thing preventing a thriving a
| PM group there is the nutso commute times and the even more nutso
| commute times people would face if they had an additional stop in
| some random location on the way home.  

What of http://sf.pm.org/ ? They seem to have a mailing list which is at
least as active as this one, and have meetings now and then.

--Brock


From andypm at exiledplanet.org  Mon Jul  3 12:12:01 2006
From: andypm at exiledplanet.org (Andrew Johnson)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 12:12:01 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] 5 of 18: Commit your $20 to fly in a speaker,
	you vacationing losers
In-Reply-To: <e0d2adc80607031204n579f9c38v882371847caf7006@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e0d2adc80606292325v5680c36fr2deedec5040272aa@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060702053813.GY29588@illogics.org>
	<20060703090401.GL29588@illogics.org>
	<20060703144424.GD27307@thelackthereof.org>
	<20060703173847.GO29588@illogics.org>
	<20060703175301.GF27307@thelackthereof.org>
	<20060703182839.GR29588@illogics.org>
	<e0d2adc80607031204n579f9c38v882371847caf7006@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e0d2adc80607031212n3fb8fba4p18337a7e56ddffee@mail.gmail.com>

1) me too
2) PM meetings on Friday are bad, because
    a) some people have lives
    b) the people that don't have lives will be watching Stargate
3) All the Google people I've talked to have been very friendly, but
unfortunately the only contacts I have right now are recruiters.  Sorry I
can't help, Brock.

[aj]

On 7/3/06, Andrew Johnson <lajandy at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Actually, they've been recruiting Perl programmers for at least a year.
>
> [aj]
>
>
> On 7/3/06, Scott Walters <scott at illogics.org > wrote:
> >
> > I guess as they've grown, they've expanded in to quite a few technical
> > areas as well.  They're actually seeking and hiring Perl programmers.
> > Shocking, I know.  We're normally the scurge.
> >
> > -scott
> >
> > On  0, Brock <awwaiid at thelackthereof.org > wrote:
> > > On 2006.07.03.17.38, Scott Walters wrote:
> > > | Hey, let's ask Google if they have meeting space.  They keep trying
> > to
> > > | recruit us, so it might be in their interest.  And they can put a
> > little
> > > | out.
> > >
> > > Great Idea! Though they are a Python house. I'll call them.
> > >
> > > --Brock
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Phoenix-pm mailing list
> > > Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
> > _______________________________________________
> > Phoenix-pm mailing list
> > Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
> >
>
>
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From nathan.oyler at sap.com  Mon Jul  3 12:25:06 2006
From: nathan.oyler at sap.com (Oyler, Nathan)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 12:25:06 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] 5 of 18:  Commit your $20 to fly in a speaker,
	you vacationing losers
Message-ID: <F2A7A7622D19D741A855C0D50A232831E3E7E0@uspale20.pal.sap.corp>

I'm in if you missed my first message on it.



-----Original Message-----
From: phoenix-pm-bounces+nathan.oyler=sap.com at pm.org <phoenix-pm-bounces+nathan.oyler=sap.com at pm.org>
To: Brock <awwaiid at thelackthereof.org>
CC: phoenix-pm at pm.org <phoenix-pm at pm.org>
Sent: Mon Jul 03 10:40:49 2006
Subject: Re: [Phoenix-pm] 5 of 18:  Commit your $20 to fly in a speaker,you vacationing losers

Maybe I'm being unrealistic, but I'd like to do this every month or so with a 
different speaker.  Once we burn through all of the TPF, published authors,
celebreties from other technical backgrounds, etc, we'll start flying in
random schmucks from other PM groups to talk.

-scott

On  0, Scott Walters <scott at illogics.org> wrote:
> On  0, Brock <awwaiid at thelackthereof.org> wrote:
> > patience! Holliday weekend you know.
> 
> Holidays are for the weak!
> 
> Still, thanks for those who spoke up.  I just wanted to make it clear, since
> some doubt was expressed to me, that you're not helping *me* by giving me
> your money, I'm helping *you* by taking on the unpleasant job of collecting
> it and coordinating this.  I went to YAPC.  I saw Andy Lester.  I already
> paid for one plane ticket.  This is for *you guys*.  There's some indication
> that you're tired of hearing *me* speak and this is a chance for us to have
> a significantly less lame meeting.  Got it? 
> 
> > I'm still thinking that a meeting on the friday july 21st (or near then)
> > would be great, we can talk about the ongoing ICFP and YAPC and all
> > sorts of things. I'm investigating venues (and looking for a more
> > permanent location for presentation-centric meetings) already.
> 
> Hey, let's ask Google if they have meeting space.  They keep trying to
> recruit us, so it might be in their interest.  And they can put a little
> out.
> 
> -scott
> _______________________________________________
> Phoenix-pm mailing list
> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
_______________________________________________
Phoenix-pm mailing list
Phoenix-pm at pm.org
http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm

From scott at illogics.org  Mon Jul  3 12:42:09 2006
From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 19:42:09 +0000
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] 5 of 18:  Commit your $20 to fly in a speaker,
	you vacationing losers
In-Reply-To: <F2A7A7622D19D741A855C0D50A232831E3E7E0@uspale20.pal.sap.corp>
References: <F2A7A7622D19D741A855C0D50A232831E3E7E0@uspale20.pal.sap.corp>
Message-ID: <20060703194209.GU29588@illogics.org>

Hi Nathan,

Yup, got you -- thank you very much for your good humour here.  I got Derek, 
"P Yurt", and Andrew, too.

I'm keeping a list at http://phoenix.pm.org/wiki/wiki.cgi?SpeakerFundSupporters 

Cheers,
-scott

On  0, "Oyler, Nathan" <nathan.oyler at sap.com> wrote:
> I'm in if you missed my first message on it.
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: phoenix-pm-bounces+nathan.oyler=sap.com at pm.org <phoenix-pm-bounces+nathan.oyler=sap.com at pm.org>
> To: Brock <awwaiid at thelackthereof.org>
> CC: phoenix-pm at pm.org <phoenix-pm at pm.org>
> Sent: Mon Jul 03 10:40:49 2006
> Subject: Re: [Phoenix-pm] 5 of 18:  Commit your $20 to fly in a speaker,you vacationing losers
> 
> Maybe I'm being unrealistic, but I'd like to do this every month or so with a 
> different speaker.  Once we burn through all of the TPF, published authors,
> celebreties from other technical backgrounds, etc, we'll start flying in
> random schmucks from other PM groups to talk.
> 
> -scott
> 
> On  0, Scott Walters <scott at illogics.org> wrote:
> > On  0, Brock <awwaiid at thelackthereof.org> wrote:
> > > patience! Holliday weekend you know.
> > 
> > Holidays are for the weak!
> > 
> > Still, thanks for those who spoke up.  I just wanted to make it clear, since
> > some doubt was expressed to me, that you're not helping *me* by giving me
> > your money, I'm helping *you* by taking on the unpleasant job of collecting
> > it and coordinating this.  I went to YAPC.  I saw Andy Lester.  I already
> > paid for one plane ticket.  This is for *you guys*.  There's some indication
> > that you're tired of hearing *me* speak and this is a chance for us to have
> > a significantly less lame meeting.  Got it? 
> > 
> > > I'm still thinking that a meeting on the friday july 21st (or near then)
> > > would be great, we can talk about the ongoing ICFP and YAPC and all
> > > sorts of things. I'm investigating venues (and looking for a more
> > > permanent location for presentation-centric meetings) already.
> > 
> > Hey, let's ask Google if they have meeting space.  They keep trying to
> > recruit us, so it might be in their interest.  And they can put a little
> > out.
> > 
> > -scott
> > _______________________________________________
> > Phoenix-pm mailing list
> > Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
> _______________________________________________
> Phoenix-pm mailing list
> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
> _______________________________________________
> Phoenix-pm mailing list
> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm

From friedman at highwire.stanford.edu  Mon Jul  3 12:46:03 2006
From: friedman at highwire.stanford.edu (Michael Friedman)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 12:46:03 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Staying in California
In-Reply-To: <20060703183702.GA743@thelackthereof.org>
References: <e0d2adc80606292325v5680c36fr2deedec5040272aa@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060702053813.GY29588@illogics.org>
	<20060703090401.GL29588@illogics.org>
	<9322388B-95F1-4998-AA97-78CC127018A0@highwire.stanford.edu>
	<20060703182735.GQ29588@illogics.org>
	<20060703183702.GA743@thelackthereof.org>
Message-ID: <1F323538-5736-4E19-8C1E-F55CB31127D2@highwire.stanford.edu>

San Francisco is an hour's drive from my house in San Jose, so I  
didn't look that far north. There is technically a Silicon Valley  
Perl Mongers that meets in my area, but all they do are social  
meetings, AFAICT.

I suppose, now that I'm here permanently, I should check them both  
out. Still, it's hard to make late meetings when you have a toddler  
at home who wakes you up early. :-(

Nobody seems to keep their website as well updated as Phoenix.pm,  
though.

Thanks,
-- Mike

On Jul 3, 2006, at 11:37 AM, Brock wrote:

> On 2006.07.03.18.27, Scott Walters wrote:
> | > (when there are any) and loved the writeups from YAPC recently.  
> You
> | > may also have heard me rant about the lack of any perlmongers  
> groups
> | > in Silicon Valley (wouldn't you think they'd gather, here of all
> | > places?). So, if it's OK with you guys, I'd like to stay on the
> | > mailing list as an "emeritus" member.
>
> | ...
> | To speculate wildly, probably the only thing preventing a thriving a
> | PM group there is the nutso commute times and the even more nutso
> | commute times people would face if they had an additional stop in
> | some random location on the way home.
>
> What of http://sf.pm.org/ ? They seem to have a mailing list which  
> is at
> least as active as this one, and have meetings now and then.
>
> --Brock

---------------------------------------------------------------------
Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
FAX:   270-721-8034                  <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
---------------------------------------------------------------------



From derek at ninth.org  Mon Jul  3 12:48:07 2006
From: derek at ninth.org (Derek Cline)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 12:48:07 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] 5 of 18:  Commit your $20 to fly in a speaker,
	you vacationing losers
In-Reply-To: <20060703194209.GU29588@illogics.org>
References: <F2A7A7622D19D741A855C0D50A232831E3E7E0@uspale20.pal.sap.corp>
	<20060703194209.GU29588@illogics.org>
Message-ID: <4E07E211-910B-4E83-BA90-40034ED450B1@ninth.org>

Sry I've been a lurker only lately, most of the last six months worth  
of meetings have fallen on the week that I'm in LA for work.  
Hopefully I'll get to join you guys again soon.

YAPC sounded like fun, thx for all the updates Scott. Between you and  
the guys from Shopzilla that went I almost felt like I was there. :)

-=D


On Jul 3, 2006, at 12:42 PM, Scott Walters wrote:

> Hi Nathan,
>
> Yup, got you -- thank you very much for your good humour here.  I  
> got Derek,
> "P Yurt", and Andrew, too.
>
> I'm keeping a list at http://phoenix.pm.org/wiki/wiki.cgi? 
> SpeakerFundSupporters
>
> Cheers,
> -scott
>
> On  0, "Oyler, Nathan" <nathan.oyler at sap.com> wrote:
>> I'm in if you missed my first message on it.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: phoenix-pm-bounces+nathan.oyler=sap.com at pm.org <phoenix-pm- 
>> bounces+nathan.oyler=sap.com at pm.org>
>> To: Brock <awwaiid at thelackthereof.org>
>> CC: phoenix-pm at pm.org <phoenix-pm at pm.org>
>> Sent: Mon Jul 03 10:40:49 2006
>> Subject: Re: [Phoenix-pm] 5 of 18:  Commit your $20 to fly in a  
>> speaker,you vacationing losers
>>
>> Maybe I'm being unrealistic, but I'd like to do this every month  
>> or so with a
>> different speaker.  Once we burn through all of the TPF, published  
>> authors,
>> celebreties from other technical backgrounds, etc, we'll start  
>> flying in
>> random schmucks from other PM groups to talk.
>>
>> -scott
>>
>> On  0, Scott Walters <scott at illogics.org> wrote:
>>> On  0, Brock <awwaiid at thelackthereof.org> wrote:
>>>> patience! Holliday weekend you know.
>>>
>>> Holidays are for the weak!
>>>
>>> Still, thanks for those who spoke up.  I just wanted to make it  
>>> clear, since
>>> some doubt was expressed to me, that you're not helping *me* by  
>>> giving me
>>> your money, I'm helping *you* by taking on the unpleasant job of  
>>> collecting
>>> it and coordinating this.  I went to YAPC.  I saw Andy Lester.  I  
>>> already
>>> paid for one plane ticket.  This is for *you guys*.  There's some  
>>> indication
>>> that you're tired of hearing *me* speak and this is a chance for  
>>> us to have
>>> a significantly less lame meeting.  Got it?
>>>
>>>> I'm still thinking that a meeting on the friday july 21st (or  
>>>> near then)
>>>> would be great, we can talk about the ongoing ICFP and YAPC and all
>>>> sorts of things. I'm investigating venues (and looking for a more
>>>> permanent location for presentation-centric meetings) already.
>>>
>>> Hey, let's ask Google if they have meeting space.  They keep  
>>> trying to
>>> recruit us, so it might be in their interest.  And they can put a  
>>> little
>>> out.
>>>
>>> -scott
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Phoenix-pm mailing list
>>> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
>> _______________________________________________
>> Phoenix-pm mailing list
>> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
>> _______________________________________________
>> Phoenix-pm mailing list
>> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
> _______________________________________________
> Phoenix-pm mailing list
> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm


From awwaiid at thelackthereof.org  Mon Jul  3 12:52:52 2006
From: awwaiid at thelackthereof.org (Brock)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 12:52:52 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Staying in California
In-Reply-To: <1F323538-5736-4E19-8C1E-F55CB31127D2@highwire.stanford.edu>
References: <e0d2adc80606292325v5680c36fr2deedec5040272aa@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060702053813.GY29588@illogics.org>
	<20060703090401.GL29588@illogics.org>
	<9322388B-95F1-4998-AA97-78CC127018A0@highwire.stanford.edu>
	<20060703182735.GQ29588@illogics.org>
	<20060703183702.GA743@thelackthereof.org>
	<1F323538-5736-4E19-8C1E-F55CB31127D2@highwire.stanford.edu>
Message-ID: <20060703195252.GB743@thelackthereof.org>

On 2006.07.03.12.46, Michael Friedman wrote:
| Nobody seems to keep their website as well updated as Phoenix.pm,  
| though.

The power of the wiki!

--Brock


From scott at illogics.org  Mon Jul  3 13:07:32 2006
From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 20:07:32 +0000
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Staying in California
In-Reply-To: <20060703195252.GB743@thelackthereof.org>
References: <e0d2adc80606292325v5680c36fr2deedec5040272aa@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060702053813.GY29588@illogics.org>
	<20060703090401.GL29588@illogics.org>
	<9322388B-95F1-4998-AA97-78CC127018A0@highwire.stanford.edu>
	<20060703182735.GQ29588@illogics.org>
	<20060703183702.GA743@thelackthereof.org>
	<1F323538-5736-4E19-8C1E-F55CB31127D2@highwire.stanford.edu>
	<20060703195252.GB743@thelackthereof.org>
Message-ID: <20060703200732.GV29588@illogics.org>

I still want to do some "planet phoenix.pm" type thing that aggregates the blogs
of the various blog-owning phoenix.pm members and offers up a page and a combined
feed from that.  I can't think of any way to better reflect what's going on in the
phoenix perl scene.

-scott

On  0, Brock <awwaiid at thelackthereof.org> wrote:
> On 2006.07.03.12.46, Michael Friedman wrote:
> | Nobody seems to keep their website as well updated as Phoenix.pm,  
> | though.
> 
> The power of the wiki!
> 
> --Brock

From awwaiid at thelackthereof.org  Mon Jul  3 12:55:56 2006
From: awwaiid at thelackthereof.org (Brock)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 12:55:56 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] 5 of 18:  Commit your $20 to fly in a speaker,
	you vacationing losers
In-Reply-To: <4E07E211-910B-4E83-BA90-40034ED450B1@ninth.org>
References: <F2A7A7622D19D741A855C0D50A232831E3E7E0@uspale20.pal.sap.corp>
	<20060703194209.GU29588@illogics.org>
	<4E07E211-910B-4E83-BA90-40034ED450B1@ninth.org>
Message-ID: <20060703195556.GC743@thelackthereof.org>

Heya Derek,

Travelling can get hard sometimes. But you should speak up! A couple
meetings could have easily been moved up or down a week without losing
anyone who came, and gaining another person is always lovely :)

Yes, in case I forgot, thanks to Scott and Andy for the YAPC updates. It
was pretty neat to follow your adventures and hear first-hand reports.

--Brock

On 2006.07.03.12.48, Derek Cline wrote:
| Sry I've been a lurker only lately, most of the last six months worth  
| of meetings have fallen on the week that I'm in LA for work.  
| Hopefully I'll get to join you guys again soon.
| 
| YAPC sounded like fun, thx for all the updates Scott. Between you and  
| the guys from Shopzilla that went I almost felt like I was there. :)
| 
| -=D


From nathan.oyler at sap.com  Mon Jul  3 13:28:30 2006
From: nathan.oyler at sap.com (Oyler, Nathan)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 13:28:30 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] 5 of 18:  Commit your $20 to fly in a speaker,
	you vacationing losers
Message-ID: <F2A7A7622D19D741A855C0D50A232831E3E7E1@uspale20.pal.sap.corp>

Hey, I was there. An update... Hrm....

The food at the cafeteria was terrible!!!



-----Original Message-----
From: phoenix-pm-bounces+nathan.oyler=sap.com at pm.org <phoenix-pm-bounces+nathan.oyler=sap.com at pm.org>
To: Derek Cline <derek at ninth.org>
CC: phoenix-pm at pm.org <phoenix-pm at pm.org>
Sent: Mon Jul 03 12:55:56 2006
Subject: Re: [Phoenix-pm] 5 of 18:  Commit your $20 to fly in a speaker,you vacationing losers

Heya Derek,

Travelling can get hard sometimes. But you should speak up! A couple
meetings could have easily been moved up or down a week without losing
anyone who came, and gaining another person is always lovely :)

Yes, in case I forgot, thanks to Scott and Andy for the YAPC updates. It
was pretty neat to follow your adventures and hear first-hand reports.

--Brock

On 2006.07.03.12.48, Derek Cline wrote:
| Sry I've been a lurker only lately, most of the last six months worth  
| of meetings have fallen on the week that I'm in LA for work.  
| Hopefully I'll get to join you guys again soon.
| 
| YAPC sounded like fun, thx for all the updates Scott. Between you and  
| the guys from Shopzilla that went I almost felt like I was there. :)
| 
| -=D

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Phoenix-pm mailing list
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From scott at illogics.org  Mon Jul  3 13:55:01 2006
From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 20:55:01 +0000
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] 5 of 18:  Commit your $20 to fly in a speaker,
	you vacationing losers
In-Reply-To: <F2A7A7622D19D741A855C0D50A232831E3E7E1@uspale20.pal.sap.corp>
References: <F2A7A7622D19D741A855C0D50A232831E3E7E1@uspale20.pal.sap.corp>
Message-ID: <20060703205501.GW29588@illogics.org>

On  0, "Oyler, Nathan" <nathan.oyler at sap.com> wrote:
> Hey, I was there. An update... Hrm....
> 
> The food at the cafeteria was terrible!!!

Holy crap!  I'm convinced they were so hell bent on serving non-solid food
because they wanted to water down everything until it was thin enough to
swim in, then congealed it again with corn startch.  It's damn hard to 
identify your food when its pureed, dilluted, then congealed.  I think 
you'd be ripped to shreads if you walked in there with, say, a piece of 
pizza.  No one ever said they were going to the cafeteria without immediately
following the declaration with a mournful sigh.  At least the coagulate 
they mocked up for The Matrix appeared to have texture, which is more than
I can say for IIT's cafeteria.  I imagine that when IIT dispenses food
from the spigot, it slides right out and nicely fills whatever mould they're
shooting it into.

-scott


From andypm at exiledplanet.org  Mon Jul  3 18:41:05 2006
From: andypm at exiledplanet.org (Andrew Johnson)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 20:41:05 -0500
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Staying in California
In-Reply-To: <20060703200732.GV29588@illogics.org>
References: <e0d2adc80606292325v5680c36fr2deedec5040272aa@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060702053813.GY29588@illogics.org>
	<20060703090401.GL29588@illogics.org>
	<9322388B-95F1-4998-AA97-78CC127018A0@highwire.stanford.edu>
	<20060703182735.GQ29588@illogics.org>
	<20060703183702.GA743@thelackthereof.org>
	<1F323538-5736-4E19-8C1E-F55CB31127D2@highwire.stanford.edu>
	<20060703195252.GB743@thelackthereof.org>
	<20060703200732.GV29588@illogics.org>
Message-ID: <e0d2adc80607031841k427fdf9fk16fbc396d6c1b5f7@mail.gmail.com>

http://planet.yapcchicago.org is run by Plagger (http://www.plagger.org),
which I would be more than happy to help set up when I get back.

[aj]

On 7/3/06, Scott Walters <scott at illogics.org> wrote:
>
> I still want to do some "planet phoenix.pm" type thing that aggregates the
> blogs
> of the various blog-owning phoenix.pm members and offers up a page and a
> combined
> feed from that.  I can't think of any way to better reflect what's going
> on in the
> phoenix perl scene.
>
> -scott
>
> On  0, Brock <awwaiid at thelackthereof.org> wrote:
> > On 2006.07.03.12.46, Michael Friedman wrote:
> > | Nobody seems to keep their website as well updated as Phoenix.pm,
> > | though.
> >
> > The power of the wiki!
> >
> > --Brock
> _______________________________________________
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> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
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From scott at illogics.org  Tue Jul  4 08:43:22 2006
From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 15:43:22 +0000
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] [ANNOUNCE] Pugs 6.2.12 and v6.pm released!
Message-ID: <20060704154322.GP29588@illogics.org>

----- Forwarded message from Audrey Tang <autrijus at gmail.com> -----

Subject: [ANNOUNCE] Pugs 6.2.12 and v6.pm released!
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 23:57:01 -0400
From: Audrey Tang <autrijus at gmail.com>


                  Changes for 6.2.12 (r10930) - June 26, 2006
                                       
Licensing Changes

     * The [1]src/ tree and the pugs executable are now released under
       the permissive MIT license, in addition to Artistic and GPL
     * A new [2]third-party/ tree to hold bundled prerequisites
       originated from non-Pugs projects
       
New Perl 6 modules

     * [3]ext/Relation/ - Relation type for Perl 6 (incomplete)
     * [4]ext/Getopt-Std/ - Simple command-line parsing
       
Updated modules

     * [5]ext/Locale-KeyedText/ - Added export_as_hash() methods
     * [6]ext/Rosetta/: Multiple additions and rewrites
          + Merged ext/Rosetta-Engine-Native/ in, renamed to ::Example
          + Now officially incorporates "The Third Manifesto"
          + Rewrote half of Language.pod
          + Updated the DESCRIPTION and class list of Rosetta.pm
          + Added new core module Rosetta::Shell and example shell.pl
          + Added new documentation file Rosetta::SeeAlso
          + Various other documentation additions and edits
     * [7]ext/Test/: Avoid the use of junctions to make Parrot/Perl6's
       life easier
       
Perl 6 on Perl 5 (under [8]misc/pX/Common/)

     * Data-Bind - Implement Perl 6's calling/binding convention on Perl
       5
     * Inline-Parrot - a C version of Inline-Parrot - uses NCI for data
       exchange
     * Module-Compile - precompile Perl 5 modules transparently
     * P5_to_P6_Translation - beginning of a Perl 5.9 MAD tree parser and
       translater to Perl 6
     * Pugs-Compiler-Perl6 - Compiler for Perl 6 (implements 'use
       v6-pugs'):
    use v6-pugs; say "Perl 6"; use v5; print "Perl 5"
     * Pugs-Compiler-Precedence - an operator precedence parser, built
       around Parse::Yapp
     * Pugs-Compiler-Rule - Compiler for Perl 6 Rules
     * Pugs-Grammar-MiniPerl6 - translate Perl 6 rules into haskell
       Parsec
     * Pugs-Grammar-Perl6 - a Perl 6 parser - parses Test.pm!
     * lrep - a bootstrapped, very minimal Perl 6 compiler written in
       Perl 6
     * re-override - Swaps in an alternate regexp engine:
    ./perl -we 'use re::override-perl6; print "a" =~ /<word>**{1}/';
       
Test, Examples and Documentations

     * Restored this ChangeLog's entries for v6.0.0 thru v6.0.8, which
       were truncated in r8916, apparently from gnome's copy-paste buffer
       limit
     * [9]docs/Perl6/Doc hierarchy, installable Perl6::Doc
     * [10]docs/Perl6/FAQ/Capture.pod - FAQ on the new Signature/Capture
       convention
     * [11]docs/Perl6/FAQ/FUD.pod - Fears, Uncertainties and Doubts about
       Perl 6
     * [12]docs/talks/p6myths2.html: Juerd's talk "Perl 6 Myths"
     * [13]docs/talks/peek.spork: Gaal's OSDC talk "A Peek into Pugs
       Internals"
     * [14]examples/concurrency/: Added sample usage on Software
       Transactional Memory
     * [15]examples/qotw/: Added the QOTW 8 Expert solution
     * [16]examples/rules/: Added a sample BASIC parser
     * [17]src/Pugs/Parser - Perl 6 grammars for Capture.pg and
       Signature.pg
     * [18]util/cperl-mode.el - Emacs mode for Perl 6
       
Feature Changes

     * Pugs now builds in a single pass
     * Removed support for GHC 6.4.0 and added support for GHC 6.5
     * Removed support for Parrot 0.4.4 or below and added support for
       Parrot 0.4.5
     * &?SUB is replaced with &?ROUTINE; $?SUBNAME is replaced with
       &?ROUTINE.name
     * Arguments beginning in parens, such as f ('x')=>1 , is now always
       positional
     * Array and hash sigilled match variables, such as @0 , @<foo> and
       %<bar>
     * Assignment with non-obviously-scalar left-hand side is now in list
       context:
          + @a = 1,2,3 now parses as @a = (1,2,3)
     * Broke down Parser and AST.Internals to smaller files so rebuilds
       are faster
     * Builtin functions no longer defaults to $_ ; write .ord instead of
       ord
     * Compile Prelude.pm and Test.pm , to YAML bytecode for faster
       loading
     * Declarators are now lexical: { $x++ unless my $x } increments
       $OUTER::x
     * Declarators can now occur at expression position: my $x + my $y
       works
     * Declarators no longer take qualified names: our $Foo::x is invalid
     * Experimental support for Software Transactional Memory and atomic
       blocks
     * Hash initializers now revert to bias-to-left behavior as in Perl 5
          + In {X => 1, X => 2} , the value of X is 2, not 1
     * If a block ends on a line by itself, an implicit ; is assumed if
       possible
     * In the interactive shell, :d and :D (dump parse tree) now
       continues the parse from the current environment; use :reset to
       reset the environment
     * More helpful diagnostics when calling unsafe builtins under safe
       mode
     * Multiline support in the interactive shell reports unrecoverable
       parsefails
     * Names of named arguments must always be a bareword now, such as:
    f(name=>1); f(:name(1));
     * New AST-dumping backends: Parse-Pretty , Parse-YAML , Parse-HsYAML
     * Parse-time binding ::= is now fully supported
     * Proper desugaring of .= expressions, such as @a .= map(&sqrt)
     * Prototype objects: my Dog $fifo now assigns ::Foo into $fido
     * Removed support for require ::Class::Literal
     * Removed support for rx_ macros in Prelude for user-defined rule
       handlers
     * Quotelike constructs such as rx and qq no longer takes `#` as
       delimiter
     * Support for Unicode bracket characters for quotelike operators
     * Support for bracketed comments: #(...), #<<< ... >>>, etc
     * Support for controlled backtracking and whitespace sensitivity via
       distinct token/regex/rule delecarators
     * Support for environmental variables such as $ENV::PWD and $+PATH
     * Support for implicit-topic dereferences such as .[0] and .<foo>
     * Support for long dot syntax: $foo .blah
     * Support for scan metaoperators: [+] 1,2,3 evaluates to (1, 3, 6)
     * The -M command line switch can take import arguments: pugs
       -Mlib=foo
     * The parser is now much faster by being mostly predictive
       (non-backtracking)
     * The postfix infiniterange is no more; write 1..*` instead of `1...
     * Two my $x declarations in the same scope is now no-op instead of
       an error
     * Use Data.ByteString for fast string representation
     * Using libraries from embedded Perl 5 can import functions now
     * Whitespace disambiguation implemented on if , unless and for :
   if %ENV{ 3 } { 4 }   # hash lookup on %ENV
   if %ENV { 3 } { 4 }  # %ENV by itself
     * YAML bytecode is now versioned to reduce incompatibilities
     * ? is now unary instead of a list operator
     * :!foo is now a shorthand for foo => False
     * bool::true and bool::false are renamed to Bool::True and
       Bool::False
     * make upload-smoke now uploads smoke test automatically
     * my $!x is now recognized as an alternative spelling for my $x
     * q:code {...} gives ASTs in macros
     * readline and =$fh now autochomps
       
Bug Fixes

     * (1.3 % 1) was evaluating to 0; now it evaluates to 0.3 like
       everybody else
     * An uninitialized Code is no longer nullary: my &f; f 1 is not a
       parsefail
     * Chained assignments now return lvalues properly: $x = %y =
       (1,2,3,4);
     * Implicit variables ($^x) is no longer allowed in statemeent-level
       bare blocks
     * Implicit variables following a declarator was broken: {my $x;
       $^y}.(42)
     * In (@x, @y) = (1,2,3) , the @y is now cleared into an empty list
     * Invalid rules in embedded Parrot no longer triggers an uncatchable
       exit
     * Lexical imports are no longer discarded upon block reentry
     * Method invocant is self and $?SELF but no longer $_
     * Named-only subs such as sub f (:$x!) {} no longer parse as unary
       positional
     * Opening a file for writing now turns autoflushing on by default
     * Short-circuit operators now works again
     * Statement-level return and yield now propagates contexts correctly
     * Statement-level bare blocks now counts as one scope for OUTER ,
       not two
     * Statement-level bare blocks now runs under all contexts: (sub { {
       3 } }).()
     * Strings outside ASCII range no longer raises exceptions at the
       PGE/Parrot bridge
     * The bogus comma-less block argument form map {$_} 1,2,3 is no
       longer supported
     * %.foo and @.foo now always flattens in argument lists
     * &slurp and &readline evaluates eagerly and no longer races with
       &unlink
     * 1. was parsed as a valid integer, causing ambiguities; it's now
       invalid
     * @foo.perl works correctly when @foo is recursive
     * f(()) now passes &f an empty list, not undef
     * sign and <=> now fails on undefined arguments, instead of
       returning undef
     * slurp works correctly on UTF-8 files
     * sub f (@x) {}; f([1,2,3]) now works as it's no longer under slurpy
       context

References

   1. http://svn.openfoundry.org/pugs/src/
   2. http://svn.openfoundry.org/pugs/third-party/
   3. http://svn.openfoundry.org/pugs/ext/Relation/
   4. http://svn.openfoundry.org/pugs/ext/Getopt-Std/
   5. http://svn.openfoundry.org/pugs/ext/Locale-KeyedText/
   6. http://svn.openfoundry.org/pugs/ext/Rosetta/
   7. http://svn.openfoundry.org/pugs/ext/Test/
   8. http://svn.openfoundry.org/pugs/misc/pX/Common/
   9. http://svn.openfoundry.org/pugs/docs/Perl6/Doc
  10. http://svn.openfoundry.org/pugs/docs/Perl6/FAQ/Capture.pod
  11. http://svn.openfoundry.org/pugs/docs/Perl6/FAQ/FUD.pod
  12. http://svn.openfoundry.org/pugs/docs/talks/p6myths2.html
  13. http://svn.openfoundry.org/pugs/docs/talks/peek.spork
  14. http://svn.openfoundry.org/pugs/examples/concurrency/
  15. http://svn.openfoundry.org/pugs/examples/qotw/
  16. http://svn.openfoundry.org/pugs/examples/rules/
  17. http://svn.openfoundry.org/pugs/src/Pugs/Parser
  18. http://svn.openfoundry.org/pugs/util/cperl-mode.el


(Due to non-stop Hackathon since YAPC::NA, this announcement has been  
delayed
for a week. :-))

I'm glad to announce that Pugs 6.2.12 is now available from CPAN:

    http://search.cpan.org/dist/Perl6-Pugs-6.2.12/
    SIZE: 2693459
    SHA1: c9731da8e597591ca7e279766481ce0bece8cfa4

This release features much better performance: Building Pugs is 3  
times faster;
compiling Perl 6 programs becomes 10 times faster; running Perl 6  
programs is
now up to 2 times faster.

We also support various Perl 6 syntax changes since the last release,  
as well as
exciting new features, such as atomic code blocks with Software  
Transactional
Memory (STM) semantics.

6.2.12 marks the last release with the 6.0.x abstract syntax tree  
(AST) to
represent Perl 6 programs.  We are currently switching to a new AST that
supports the new Signature/Capture calling convention, multi-dispatch  
with
constraints, and a full Meta-Object Protocol (MOP).  We are  
developing this
new runtime simultaneously as Haskell modules and Perl 5 CPAN  
modules, to
ensure that they have identical semantics.

To this end, I'm happy to announce "v6.pm", a prototype Perl 6 Compiler
implemented entirely in Perl 5, is also available from CPAN:

    http://search.cpan.org/dist/v6-pugs/

All Perl 5 components are released as separate CPAN modules.  One can
use them as pure-perl5 modules, without the Perl 6 syntax provided by
"v6.pm"; this way one can get fully-conformant Perl 6 features without
the need of using Perl 6 syntax provided by "v6.pm".

(These CPAN modules maintain their own release cycles; we will release
more components on CPAN as they are abstracted out from the Pugs  
runtime.)

The .meta API for Object/Class/Method reflection is supported by the
"Moose" and "Class::MOP" modules:

    http://search.cpan.org/dist/Moose/
    http://search.cpan.org/dist/Class-MOP/

The compiler and runtime for Perl 6 Grammars (top-down) and operator
precedence (bottom-up) is available as the "Pugs::Gramamr::Rule" and
"Pugs::Grammar::Precedence" modules:

    http://search.cpan.org/dist/Pugs-Compiler-Rule/

The calling convention with named, optional, and slurpy arguemnts is
supported by the "Data::Bind" module:

    http://search.cpan.org/dist/Data-Bind/

The precompile-Perl6-to-Perl5 mechanism is based on "Module::Compile", a
safe and composable replacement to source filtering:

    http://search.cpan.org/dist/Module-Compile/
    http://search.cpan.org/dist/Filter-Simple-Compile/

In summary: Perl 5 is now a first-class virtual machine for Pugs, and in
this journey toward self-hosting, we will share as much common structure
as possible between the Perl 5, Haskell, and the Parrot runtimes.

With a prototype end-to-end implementation written in pure Perl 5, we  
are
entering the "Hack, Hack, Hack" phase of the (imaginary) Perl 6 timeline
from nearly one year ago:

    http://pugscode.org/images/timeline.png

I'd like to thank Flavio Glock for initiating and leading the v6.pm  
effort,
and all lambdacamel and lambdamoose on irc.freenode.net #perl6 for their
relentless enthusiasm in getting Perl 6 deployed to the Real World.

See you on IRC!

Audrey




----- End forwarded message -----

From scott at illogics.org  Tue Jul  4 10:45:39 2006
From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 17:45:39 +0000
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] 7 of 18... schwag, and peanut gallery,
	please step forward
In-Reply-To: <F2A7A7622D19D741A855C0D50A232831E3E7E1@uspale20.pal.sap.corp>
References: <F2A7A7622D19D741A855C0D50A232831E3E7E1@uspale20.pal.sap.corp>
Message-ID: <20060704174539.GR29588@illogics.org>

Okay, that's a little less sucky, but we're going to have to get the peanut
gallery involved here.  Anyone who thinks they'll probably be able to make
the meeting should pony up the $20 and write it off as a minor meeting-related
expense, such as dinner or gas.  

Here's what we have for door prizes:

Perl Hacks (chromatic, Conway, Poe -- yes, that's right -- the much talked about new 
release, and it's really good, non-obvious, useful, tricksie stuff)
Perl 6 Now: The Core Ideas Illustrated with Perl 5  (gee, where did that come from?...
could it be... Scott is buying copies of his own book?)
Beginning Perl 2nd ed (Cozens' classic 1st ed updated and reworked by Lee)

-scott


From scott at illogics.org  Tue Jul  4 18:17:58 2006
From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters)
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 01:17:58 +0000
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] ICFP Perl team?
In-Reply-To: <e0d2adc80607031841k427fdf9fk16fbc396d6c1b5f7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e0d2adc80606292325v5680c36fr2deedec5040272aa@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060702053813.GY29588@illogics.org>
	<20060703090401.GL29588@illogics.org>
	<9322388B-95F1-4998-AA97-78CC127018A0@highwire.stanford.edu>
	<20060703182735.GQ29588@illogics.org>
	<20060703183702.GA743@thelackthereof.org>
	<1F323538-5736-4E19-8C1E-F55CB31127D2@highwire.stanford.edu>
	<20060703195252.GB743@thelackthereof.org>
	<20060703200732.GV29588@illogics.org>
	<e0d2adc80607031841k427fdf9fk16fbc396d6c1b5f7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060705011758.GB29588@illogics.org>

http://developers.slashdot.org/developers/06/07/03/2034250.shtml
http://icfpcontest.org/

July 21-24

Wanted:  small group of talented hackers to take drugs and code for three 
days straight.

-scott



From friedman at highwire.stanford.edu  Wed Jul  5 08:23:22 2006
From: friedman at highwire.stanford.edu (Michael Friedman)
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 08:23:22 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] ICFP Perl team?
In-Reply-To: <20060705011758.GB29588@illogics.org>
References: <e0d2adc80606292325v5680c36fr2deedec5040272aa@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060702053813.GY29588@illogics.org>
	<20060703090401.GL29588@illogics.org>
	<9322388B-95F1-4998-AA97-78CC127018A0@highwire.stanford.edu>
	<20060703182735.GQ29588@illogics.org>
	<20060703183702.GA743@thelackthereof.org>
	<1F323538-5736-4E19-8C1E-F55CB31127D2@highwire.stanford.edu>
	<20060703195252.GB743@thelackthereof.org>
	<20060703200732.GV29588@illogics.org>
	<e0d2adc80607031841k427fdf9fk16fbc396d6c1b5f7@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060705011758.GB29588@illogics.org>
Message-ID: <C98CBA44-BF9B-4157-9C56-B9FC288EBBE9@highwire.stanford.edu>

Wow. So cool... and yet, so far out of my league.

I just read last year's contest and there's some serious game-theory  
stuff going on.
	http://icfpc.plt-scheme.org/spec.html

Good luck!
-- Mike

On Jul 4, 2006, at 6:17 PM, Scott Walters wrote:

> http://developers.slashdot.org/developers/06/07/03/2034250.shtml
> http://icfpcontest.org/
>
> July 21-24
>
> Wanted:  small group of talented hackers to take drugs and code for  
> three
> days straight.
>
> -scott
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Phoenix-pm mailing list
> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm

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From awwaiid at thelackthereof.org  Wed Jul  5 09:10:31 2006
From: awwaiid at thelackthereof.org (Brock)
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 09:10:31 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] ICFP Perl team?
In-Reply-To: <C98CBA44-BF9B-4157-9C56-B9FC288EBBE9@highwire.stanford.edu>
References: <20060703090401.GL29588@illogics.org>
	<9322388B-95F1-4998-AA97-78CC127018A0@highwire.stanford.edu>
	<20060703182735.GQ29588@illogics.org>
	<20060703183702.GA743@thelackthereof.org>
	<1F323538-5736-4E19-8C1E-F55CB31127D2@highwire.stanford.edu>
	<20060703195252.GB743@thelackthereof.org>
	<20060703200732.GV29588@illogics.org>
	<e0d2adc80607031841k427fdf9fk16fbc396d6c1b5f7@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060705011758.GB29588@illogics.org>
	<C98CBA44-BF9B-4157-9C56-B9FC288EBBE9@highwire.stanford.edu>
Message-ID: <20060705161030.GF743@thelackthereof.org>

I participated last year, it was fun. Though there was some game theory
involved, as you say, you first had to conform to the specifications of
the problem. That in itself was the number one factor that eliminated
people (their programs didn't follow the rules correctly).

--Brock

On 2006.07.05.08.23, Michael Friedman wrote:
| Wow. So cool... and yet, so far out of my league.
| 
| I just read last year's contest and there's some serious game-theory  
| stuff going on.
| 	http://icfpc.plt-scheme.org/spec.html
| 
| Good luck!
| -- Mike
| 
| On Jul 4, 2006, at 6:17 PM, Scott Walters wrote:
| 
| > http://developers.slashdot.org/developers/06/07/03/2034250.shtml
| > http://icfpcontest.org/
| >
| > July 21-24
| >
| > Wanted:  small group of talented hackers to take drugs and code for  
| > three
| > days straight.
| >
| > -scott
| >
| >
| > _______________________________________________
| > Phoenix-pm mailing list
| > Phoenix-pm at pm.org
| > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
| 
| ---------------------------------------------------------------------
| Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
| Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
| FAX:   270-721-8034                  <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
| ---------------------------------------------------------------------
| 
| 
| _______________________________________________
| Phoenix-pm mailing list
| Phoenix-pm at pm.org
| http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm

From dwchandler at stilyagin.com  Wed Jul  5 10:16:39 2006
From: dwchandler at stilyagin.com (Darrin Chandler)
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 10:16:39 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] July PhxBUG Meeting, Thursday July 6th, 7:30pm
Message-ID: <20060705171639.GC17205@jeeves.stilyagin.local>

This month, sancho will present an introduction to KerberosV, with a
working setup!

We will meet at a new location on the ASU campus, the Bateman Physical
Science Building Wing F, Room 566, which is Southeast of the bridge over
University Drive. Just to the east of that is Parking Structure #2 (PS2
in ASU Lingo), which should be free parking starting at 7:00pm.

Maps, etc., at http://bsd.phoenix.az.us/

-- 
Darrin Chandler            |  Phoenix BSD Users Group
dwchandler at stilyagin.com   |  http://bsd.phoenix.az.us/
http://www.stilyagin.com/  |

From scott at illogics.org  Fri Jul  7 08:40:58 2006
From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters)
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 15:40:58 +0000
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] perlbug-followup@perl.org: [perl #39747] crash in
	unpack
Message-ID: <20060707154058.GC29588@illogics.org>

----- Forwarded message from "l.mai at web.de" <perlbug-followup at perl.org> -----

From: "l.mai at web.de" <perlbug-followup at perl.org>
To: bugs-bitbucket at rt.perl.org
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 20:55:36 -0700

# New Ticket Created by  l.mai at web.de 
# Please include the string:  [perl #39747]
# in the subject line of all future correspondence about this issue. 
# <URL: http://rt.perl.org/rt3/Ticket/Display.html?id=39747 >



This is a bug report for perl from l.mai at web.de,
generated with the help of perlbug 1.35 running under perl v5.8.8.


-----------------------------------------------------------------
[Please enter your report here]

Hello,

$ perl -e 'unpack "(Z*)*", "a"'
$ perl -e 'unpack "(Z*)*", "aa"'
Segmentation fault
$

It looks like unpack crashes if there's more than one non-null character in
the source string.

[Please do not change anything below this line]
-----------------------------------------------------------------
---
Flags:
    category=core
    severity=medium
---
Site configuration information for perl v5.8.8:

Configured by mauke at Wed Mar 22 20:53:12 CET 2006.

Summary of my perl5 (revision 5 version 8 subversion 8) configuration:
  Platform:
    osname=linux, osvers=2.6.15-gentoo-r1, archname=i686-linux-64int-ld
    uname='linux nora 2.6.15-gentoo-r1 #9 preempt sun feb 5 02:47:05 cet 2006 i686 amd athlon(tm) 64 processor 3200+ authenticamd gnulinux '
    config_args=''
    hint=recommended, useposix=true, d_sigaction=define
    usethreads=undef use5005threads=undef useithreads=undef usemultiplicity=undef
    useperlio=define d_sfio=undef uselargefiles=define usesocks=undef
    use64bitint=define use64bitall=undef uselongdouble=define
    usemymalloc=n, bincompat5005=undef
  Compiler:
    cc='gcc', ccflags ='-fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -Wdeclaration-after-statement -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64',
    optimize='-O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -march=athlon-xp -mtune=athlon64',
    cppflags='-fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -Wdeclaration-after-statement'
    ccversion='', gccversion='3.4.5 (Gentoo 3.4.5, ssp-3.4.5-1.0, pie-8.7.9)', gccosandvers=''
    intsize=4, longsize=4, ptrsize=4, doublesize=8, byteorder=12345678
    d_longlong=define, longlongsize=8, d_longdbl=define, longdblsize=12
    ivtype='long long', ivsize=8, nvtype='long double', nvsize=12, Off_t='off_t', lseeksize=8
    alignbytes=4, prototype=define
  Linker and Libraries:
    ld='gcc', ldflags =' -L/usr/local/lib'
    libpth=/usr/local/lib /lib /usr/lib
    libs=-lnsl -lndbm -lgdbm -ldb -ldl -lm -lcrypt -lutil -lc
    perllibs=-lnsl -ldl -lm -lcrypt -lutil -lc
    libc=/lib/libc-2.3.5.so, so=so, useshrplib=false, libperl=libperl.a
    gnulibc_version='2.3.5'
  Dynamic Linking:
    dlsrc=dl_dlopen.xs, dlext=so, d_dlsymun=undef, ccdlflags='-Wl,-E'
    cccdlflags='-fpic', lddlflags='-shared -L/usr/local/lib'

Locally applied patches:
    SAFEARGV0 - disable magic open in <ARGV>
    METHQUAL0 - allow qualified method calls without a valid object
    UNWARN0 - disable stupid warnings for print and qw

---
@INC for perl v5.8.8:
    /home/mauke/usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.8/i686-linux-64int-ld
    /home/mauke/usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.8
    /home/mauke/usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/i686-linux-64int-ld
    /home/mauke/usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8
    /home/mauke/usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl
    .

---
Environment for perl v5.8.8:
    HOME=/home/mauke
    LANG=en_US.UTF-8
    LANGUAGE (unset)
    LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8
    LD_LIBRARY_PATH (unset)
    LOGDIR (unset)
    PATH=/home/mauke/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/opt/bin:/usr/i386-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/3.4.6:/opt/blackdown-jdk-1.4.2.03/bin:/opt/blackdown-jdk-1.4.2.03/jre/bin:/usr/kde/3.5/bin:/usr/qt/3/bin:/usr/kde/3.4/bin:/usr/NX/bin:/usr/games/bin:/opt/vmware/player/bin
    PERL_BADLANG (unset)
    SHELL=/bin/bash

----- End forwarded message -----

From awwaiid at thelackthereof.org  Fri Jul  7 08:36:59 2006
From: awwaiid at thelackthereof.org (Brock)
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 08:36:59 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] perlbug-followup@perl.org: [perl #39747] crash in
	unpack
In-Reply-To: <20060707154058.GC29588@illogics.org>
References: <20060707154058.GC29588@illogics.org>
Message-ID: <20060707153659.GB19270@thelackthereof.org>

On 2006.07.07.15.40, Scott Walters wrote:
| ----- Forwarded message from "l.mai at web.de" <perlbug-followup at perl.org> -----
| 
| From: "l.mai at web.de" <perlbug-followup at perl.org>
| ...
| Hello,
| 
| $ perl -e 'unpack "(Z*)*", "a"'
| $ perl -e 'unpack "(Z*)*", "aa"'
| Segmentation fault
| $
| 
| It looks like unpack crashes if there's more than one non-null character in
| the source string.

These super-short crash conditions are always good reminders to me that
it is very difficult to implement such a powerful language. I like to
ponder them, and even ponder their fleetingness (because where there is
a bugreport, there is eventually a bugfix) and their pervasiveness.

--Brock


From scott at illogics.org  Fri Jul  7 09:40:33 2006
From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters)
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 16:40:33 +0000
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] perlbug-followup@perl.org: [perl #39747] crash in
	unpack
In-Reply-To: <20060707153659.GB19270@thelackthereof.org>
References: <20060707154058.GC29588@illogics.org>
	<20060707153659.GB19270@thelackthereof.org>
Message-ID: <20060707164033.GG29588@illogics.org>

There was a thread on p5p a bit back and then just recently again (and
several times before that) about the maintenance costs of Perl 5.  
Nickolas Clark, who has done a hell of a lot of work on Perl 5 and
managed several releases, wanted to how Python and other languages
handle support and maintenance.  The Perl 5 Porters are overwhemeled
and basically unpaid.  Curious myself, I did some research (next
message).  And it turns out, basically, that Python refactors their
code much more heavily than Perl does, makes little effort at backwards 
compatability, puts almost nothing in core and often takes things out,
and as a result, just plain has radically fewer bugs.  This is 
mostly of concern to people maintaining the language as a Perl
programmer is extremely unlikely to stumble upon a bug in Perl on any
given day (I did find one crasher, but I was blessing globs, so I knew
I was off the beaten path a bit).  But it does affect maintenance, and
Perl 5 has just about worn its maintainers out.  I'd really like to get
my feet wet in the Perl 5 core and help out a bit, but it seems like
to do anything in there, you have to unravel the whole thing.  Nothing
makes sense in isolation.  

Anyway, I thought the result of that digging put Perl in an intersting
light... here's a language that does put helpful things in core, and not
just libraries like Java is so eager to do.  Syntax, semantics, hooks,
and magic of all sorts have been steadily loaded into core over the years.
And people try to maintain -- and try very hard to to maintain compatability
as things go in and sometimes go out (psuedohashes).  

-scott


On  0, Brock <awwaiid at thelackthereof.org> wrote:
> On 2006.07.07.15.40, Scott Walters wrote:
> | ----- Forwarded message from "l.mai at web.de" <perlbug-followup at perl.org> -----
> | 
> | From: "l.mai at web.de" <perlbug-followup at perl.org>
> | ...
> | Hello,
> | 
> | $ perl -e 'unpack "(Z*)*", "a"'
> | $ perl -e 'unpack "(Z*)*", "aa"'
> | Segmentation fault
> | $
> | 
> | It looks like unpack crashes if there's more than one non-null character in
> | the source string.
> 
> These super-short crash conditions are always good reminders to me that
> it is very difficult to implement such a powerful language. I like to
> ponder them, and even ponder their fleetingness (because where there is
> a bugreport, there is eventually a bugfix) and their pervasiveness.
> 
> --Brock
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Phoenix-pm mailing list
> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm

From scott at illogics.org  Fri Jul  7 09:40:41 2006
From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters)
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 16:40:41 +0000
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Python does support / Was: Re: Perl is an itch-free
	zone?
Message-ID: <20060707164041.GZ7832@illogics.org>

Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 21:02:05 +0000
From: Scott Walters <scott at illogics.org>
To: perl5-porters at perl.org
Subject: Python does support / Was: Re: Perl is an itch-free zone?

> I don't think that Coro necessarily should go in (and the pre-requisite of
> "support" needs to be addressed as described in
> http://www.xray.mpe.mpg.de/mailing-lists/perl5-porters/2006-06/msg00946.html )

I couldn't resist trying to dig up a partial answer to this question.  After
interviewing some Python people...

It looks like Guido still "gets off" on doing the bulk of the maintenance work.  
Some amount of money off of requiring licenses for derivitive works, where 
derivitive works includes bundling Python in an otherwise unrelated product.
And, reportedly, Python has very few bugs, "thanks to the clean source code".

It looks like the bulk of income for The Python Software Foundation comes 
from corporate and private sponsors, and PyCon.  Money is then used to fund 
grants:

http://www.python.org/psf/  -- complete with corporate sponsor badges which 
cost $2,000/year.

http://www.python.org/psf/grants/

It's reportedly extremely difficult to get *anything* into core.  Guido doesn't
generally let things in and tends to kick them out.  Heh.  That would make
support a lot easier, wouldn't it... the Jython and IronPython ports have 
their own maintainers and as such aren't supported as if they were official
ports.

Guido works at Google, and gets to use half of his time on random Python
chores:

http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=143947

Releases of Python generally emphasize core code clean up, rework, implementation 
switches for various components (reportedly, the VM was swapped out and then back
in at one point), etc.  This dominates Guido's work, even above new features.

Finally, bug reports and tracking go through SourceForge's bug tracker.

Here's the summary:

* Foundation, fundraisers, and grants, just like YAS
* More corporate sponsorship, both in monitary contribution and in hosting developers 
* Bug fixes relatively insigificant use of time
* Development is less user-centric and module-author-centric, and more Guido-centric 
* Legacy support a non-priority
* Guido empathizes very strongly with his brainchild, even after all this time

One thing I'm having a hard time getting answered is whether Guido dips into the
coffers.  For some reason, the Python people take offense at the question.  Heck.
I would dip into the coffers...  I'd roll nekkid in the coffers.  I'd skinnydip 
in the coffers!

Disclaimer:  This little essay is a mish mash of my conjecture and other people's
conjecture.  May have been processed in a fascility that also processes facts.

-scott


From andypm at exiledplanet.org  Tue Jul 18 01:32:17 2006
From: andypm at exiledplanet.org (Andrew Johnson)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 01:32:17 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Next Meeting...
Message-ID: <e0d2adc80607180132u260122abv40a59c94707bf925@mail.gmail.com>

...is when?  Where?  And are we talking about YAPC?

[aj]
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From scott at illogics.org  Tue Jul 18 11:48:16 2006
From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 18:48:16 +0000
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Next Meeting...
In-Reply-To: <e0d2adc80607180132u260122abv40a59c94707bf925@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e0d2adc80607180132u260122abv40a59c94707bf925@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060718184816.GD29588@illogics.org>

Trying to track down a location.  We're trying to get something at ASU,
specifically, and that isn't going well.  Brock even called Google =P

-scott

On  0, Andrew Johnson <andypm at exiledplanet.org> wrote:
> 
>    ...is when?  Where?  And are we talking about YAPC?
>    [aj]

> _______________________________________________
> Phoenix-pm mailing list
> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm

From perlguy at earthlink.net  Tue Jul 18 14:55:08 2006
From: perlguy at earthlink.net (Douglas E. Miles)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 14:55:08 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Andy Lester to Phoenix for "Technical Debt" talk
In-Reply-To: <20060702053813.GY29588@illogics.org>
References: <e0d2adc80606292325v5680c36fr2deedec5040272aa@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060702053813.GY29588@illogics.org>
Message-ID: <44BD58BC.2000901@earthlink.net>

Scott Walters wrote:

>Here's what I want:  Respond with a "me too" if you're willing to commit a
>$20 to flying in a speaker and Brock and I (hi Brock) will handle the rest.
>Consider asking your employer to sponser part of the cost, too -- especially
>if an employer is willing to pay for hotel, we'll have a much more attractive
>proposition.
>  
>
Here's a very belated "me too".

From awwaiid at thelackthereof.org  Tue Jul 18 15:20:59 2006
From: awwaiid at thelackthereof.org (Brock)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 15:20:59 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Next Meeting...
In-Reply-To: <20060718184816.GD29588@illogics.org>
References: <e0d2adc80607180132u260122abv40a59c94707bf925@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060718184816.GD29588@illogics.org>
Message-ID: <20060718222059.GY19270@thelackthereof.org>

Yep, google said that their meeting room is only for Google Employees.
:(

If any of you have contacts at ASU please let me know. I'm still working
my way through their hoops, and if we had someone on the inside it would
go a lot better I think.

--Brock

On 2006.07.18.18.48, Scott Walters wrote:
| Trying to track down a location.  We're trying to get something at ASU,
| specifically, and that isn't going well.  Brock even called Google =P
| 
| -scott
| 
| On  0, Andrew Johnson <andypm at exiledplanet.org> wrote:
| > 
| >    ...is when?  Where?  And are we talking about YAPC?
| >    [aj]
| 
| > _______________________________________________
| > Phoenix-pm mailing list
| > Phoenix-pm at pm.org
| > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
| _______________________________________________
| Phoenix-pm mailing list
| Phoenix-pm at pm.org
| http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm

From awwaiid at thelackthereof.org  Tue Jul 18 15:25:09 2006
From: awwaiid at thelackthereof.org (Brock)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 15:25:09 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Andy Lester to Phoenix for "Technical Debt" talk
In-Reply-To: <44BD58BC.2000901@earthlink.net>
References: <e0d2adc80606292325v5680c36fr2deedec5040272aa@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060702053813.GY29588@illogics.org>
	<44BD58BC.2000901@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20060718222509.GA19270@thelackthereof.org>

On 2006.07.18.14.55, Douglas E. Miles wrote:
| Scott Walters wrote:
| 
| >Here's what I want:  Respond with a "me too" if you're willing to commit a
| >$20 to flying in a speaker and Brock and I (hi Brock) will handle the rest.
| >Consider asking your employer to sponser part of the cost, too -- especially
| >if an employer is willing to pay for hotel, we'll have a much more attractive
| >proposition.
| >  
| >
| Here's a very belated "me too".

You Rock.

--Brock


From scott at illogics.org  Tue Jul 18 23:09:16 2006
From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 06:09:16 +0000
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Andy Lester to Phoenix for "Technical Debt" talk
In-Reply-To: <44BD58BC.2000901@earthlink.net>
References: <e0d2adc80606292325v5680c36fr2deedec5040272aa@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060702053813.GY29588@illogics.org>
	<44BD58BC.2000901@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20060719060916.GP29588@illogics.org>

Doug!

Good to hear from you.  You should surface more often.  

Thanks for your offer of support.  I'm hoping I can round up a few more if
I can catch them in real life, eg at a talk ;)  More than half way there!

-scott

On  0, "Douglas E. Miles" <perlguy at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Scott Walters wrote:
> 
> >Here's what I want:  Respond with a "me too" if you're willing to commit a
> >$20 to flying in a speaker and Brock and I (hi Brock) will handle the rest.
> >Consider asking your employer to sponser part of the cost, too -- especially
> >if an employer is willing to pay for hotel, we'll have a much more attractive
> >proposition.
> >  
> >
> Here's a very belated "me too".
> _______________________________________________
> Phoenix-pm mailing list
> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm

From scott at illogics.org  Wed Jul 19 00:00:08 2006
From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 07:00:08 +0000
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Next Meeting...
In-Reply-To: <20060718222059.GY19270@thelackthereof.org>
References: <e0d2adc80607180132u260122abv40a59c94707bf925@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060718184816.GD29588@illogics.org>
	<20060718222059.GY19270@thelackthereof.org>
Message-ID: <20060719070008.GQ29588@illogics.org>

I'm of the opinion that we shouldn't allow ASU's discooperation to be any
more of an obstacle.  Let's set something up for Mill's End and put 
energies into advertising on campus bulletin boards.  Brock, have a date
in mind?

-scott

On  0, Brock <awwaiid at thelackthereof.org> wrote:
> Yep, google said that their meeting room is only for Google Employees.
> :(
> 
> If any of you have contacts at ASU please let me know. I'm still working
> my way through their hoops, and if we had someone on the inside it would
> go a lot better I think.
> 
> --Brock
> 
> On 2006.07.18.18.48, Scott Walters wrote:
> | Trying to track down a location.  We're trying to get something at ASU,
> | specifically, and that isn't going well.  Brock even called Google =P
> | 
> | -scott
> | 
> | On  0, Andrew Johnson <andypm at exiledplanet.org> wrote:
> | > 
> | >    ...is when?  Where?  And are we talking about YAPC?
> | >    [aj]
> | 
> | > _______________________________________________
> | > Phoenix-pm mailing list
> | > Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> | > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
> | _______________________________________________
> | Phoenix-pm mailing list
> | Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> | http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm

From scott at illogics.org  Wed Jul 19 00:18:53 2006
From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 07:18:53 +0000
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Andy Lester on debugging?
In-Reply-To: <44BD58BC.2000901@earthlink.net>
References: <e0d2adc80606292325v5680c36fr2deedec5040272aa@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060702053813.GY29588@illogics.org>
	<44BD58BC.2000901@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20060719071853.GR29588@illogics.org>

Perhaps I should test the water to see if people are more interested in
another presentation, such as a debugging presentation based on his
new book, _Pro Perl Debugging_.  Thoughts?

-scott

From benjamin.trussell at asu.edu  Wed Jul 19 03:46:54 2006
From: benjamin.trussell at asu.edu (Ben Trussell)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 03:46:54 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Next Meeting...
In-Reply-To: <20060719070008.GQ29588@illogics.org>
References: <e0d2adc80607180132u260122abv40a59c94707bf925@mail.gmail.com>	<20060718184816.GD29588@illogics.org>	<20060718222059.GY19270@thelackthereof.org>
	<20060719070008.GQ29588@illogics.org>
Message-ID: <44BE0D9E.8090804@asu.edu>

Actually Scott, if the attempted communication started not but 12 hours 
ago off-list with ASULUG's new president and Brock as well as yourself 
is in reference here, then maybe you should consider that he's an 
undergraduate and it is summer - maybe he isn't checking email every 
five minutes. 

As for myself, I know my hopes to help out have exceeded my time 
constraints and my own life's little surprises of thew past 2 years, so 
if its me you have something against, fine, just don't take it out on 
the university in a public list.  

- Ben

Scott Walters wrote:
> I'm of the opinion that we shouldn't allow ASU's discooperation to be any
> more of an obstacle.  Let's set something up for Mill's End and put 
> energies into advertising on campus bulletin boards.  Brock, have a date
> in mind?
>
> -scott
>
> On  0, Brock <awwaiid at thelackthereof.org> wrote:
>   
>> Yep, google said that their meeting room is only for Google Employees.
>> :(
>>
>> If any of you have contacts at ASU please let me know. I'm still working
>> my way through their hoops, and if we had someone on the inside it would
>> go a lot better I think.
>>
>> --Brock
>>
>> On 2006.07.18.18.48, Scott Walters wrote:
>> | Trying to track down a location.  We're trying to get something at ASU,
>> | specifically, and that isn't going well.  Brock even called Google =P
>> | 
>> | -scott
>> | 
>> | On  0, Andrew Johnson <andypm at exiledplanet.org> wrote:
>> | > 
>> | >    ...is when?  Where?  And are we talking about YAPC?
>> | >    [aj]
>> | 
>> | > _______________________________________________
>> | > Phoenix-pm mailing list
>> | > Phoenix-pm at pm.org
>> | > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
>> | _______________________________________________
>> | Phoenix-pm mailing list
>> | Phoenix-pm at pm.org
>> | http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
>>     
> _______________________________________________
> Phoenix-pm mailing list
> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
>   

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From awwaiid at thelackthereof.org  Wed Jul 19 07:52:24 2006
From: awwaiid at thelackthereof.org (Brock)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 07:52:24 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Next Meeting...
In-Reply-To: <44BE0D9E.8090804@asu.edu>
References: <e0d2adc80607180132u260122abv40a59c94707bf925@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060718184816.GD29588@illogics.org>
	<20060718222059.GY19270@thelackthereof.org>
	<20060719070008.GQ29588@illogics.org> <44BE0D9E.8090804@asu.edu>
Message-ID: <20060719145224.GE19270@thelackthereof.org>

Hey there...

Scott was referring to the two other random people I've emailed over
there who haven't responded, though of course you have an excellent
point about it only having been 24 hours. For those who weren't in on
that email, Ben is helping us communiate with ASULUG to get some shared
space (a classroom or something) for presentations on-campus.

Looking for a venue is two-pronged -- I'm looking for places long term
and short term. So no worries at all if we don't hook up with ASULUG in
the next week, I'm looking forward to an arrangement which will last for
a lot longer than that.

Your help is quite appreciated Ben,

--Brock

On 2006.07.19.03.46, Ben Trussell wrote:
| Actually Scott, if the attempted communication started not but 12 hours ago
| off-list with ASULUG's new president and Brock as well as yourself is in
| reference here, then maybe you should consider that he's an undergraduate and
| it is summer - maybe he isn't checking email every five minutes. 
| 
| As for myself, I know my hopes to help out have exceeded my time constraints
| and my own life's little surprises of thew past 2 years, so if its me you have
| something against, fine, just don't take it out on the university in a public
| list.  
| 
| - Ben
| 
| Scott Walters wrote:
| 
|     I'm of the opinion that we shouldn't allow ASU's discooperation to be any
|     more of an obstacle.  Let's set something up for Mill's End and put
|     energies into advertising on campus bulletin boards.  Brock, have a date
|     in mind?
| 
|     -scott
| 
|     On  0, Brock <awwaiid at thelackthereof.org> wrote:
| 
| 
|         Yep, google said that their meeting room is only for Google Employees.
|         :(
| 
|         If any of you have contacts at ASU please let me know. I'm still working
|         my way through their hoops, and if we had someone on the inside it would
|         go a lot better I think.
| 
|         --Brock
| 
|         On 2006.07.18.18.48, Scott Walters wrote:
|         | Trying to track down a location.  We're trying to get something at ASU,
|         | specifically, and that isn't going well.  Brock even called Google =P
|         |
|         | -scott
|         |
|         | On  0, Andrew Johnson <andypm at exiledplanet.org> wrote:
|         | >
|         | >    ...is when?  Where?  And are we talking about YAPC?
|         | >    [aj]
|         |
|         | > _______________________________________________
|         | > Phoenix-pm mailing list
|         | > Phoenix-pm at pm.org
|         | > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
|         | _______________________________________________
|         | Phoenix-pm mailing list
|         | Phoenix-pm at pm.org
|         | http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
| 
| 
| 
|     _______________________________________________
|     Phoenix-pm mailing list
|     Phoenix-pm at pm.org
|     http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
| 
| 
| 
| 

From awwaiid at thelackthereof.org  Wed Jul 19 08:05:34 2006
From: awwaiid at thelackthereof.org (Brock)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 08:05:34 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Meeting Announcement - Thursday July 27, 2006
In-Reply-To: <20060719070008.GQ29588@illogics.org>
References: <e0d2adc80607180132u260122abv40a59c94707bf925@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060718184816.GD29588@illogics.org>
	<20060718222059.GY19270@thelackthereof.org>
	<20060719070008.GQ29588@illogics.org>
Message-ID: <20060719150534.GF19270@thelackthereof.org>

Yes, Thursday July 27. So let's do it!

     Time: Thursday 27 July 2006 7:00pm-9:00pm
 Location: Mill's End, Tempe, AZ
           http://maps.google.com/maps?q=310+S+Mill+Ave+tempe,+az
           North-West corner of Mill and 3rd (N of University Ave) in Tempe
    Topic: YAPC::NA - Experiences and Topics at the conference
           ICFP 2006 - This year's contest discussion and code
    Other: Free wireless, bring your laptops!

Please send RSVP here to the list so I know how much room to reserve.
I'll let this roll around in your email for a few hours, and then late
this evening or early tomorrow I'm going to cross-post this announcement
to a few other mailing lists (PLUG, AzPHP, RubyGroup, ...).

--Brock

On 2006.07.19.07.00, Scott Walters wrote:
| I'm of the opinion that we shouldn't allow ASU's discooperation to be any
| more of an obstacle.  Let's set something up for Mill's End and put 
| energies into advertising on campus bulletin boards.  Brock, have a date
| in mind?
| 
| -scott
| 
| On  0, Brock <awwaiid at thelackthereof.org> wrote:
| > Yep, google said that their meeting room is only for Google Employees.
| > :(
| > 
| > If any of you have contacts at ASU please let me know. I'm still working
| > my way through their hoops, and if we had someone on the inside it would
| > go a lot better I think.
| > 
| > --Brock
| > 
| > On 2006.07.18.18.48, Scott Walters wrote:
| > | Trying to track down a location.  We're trying to get something at ASU,
| > | specifically, and that isn't going well.  Brock even called Google =P
| > | 
| > | -scott
| > | 
| > | On  0, Andrew Johnson <andypm at exiledplanet.org> wrote:
| > | > 
| > | >    ...is when?  Where?  And are we talking about YAPC?
| > | >    [aj]
| > | 
| > | > _______________________________________________
| > | > Phoenix-pm mailing list
| > | > Phoenix-pm at pm.org
| > | > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
| > | _______________________________________________
| > | Phoenix-pm mailing list
| > | Phoenix-pm at pm.org
| > | http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm

From scott at illogics.org  Wed Jul 19 11:26:07 2006
From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 18:26:07 +0000
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Next Meeting...
In-Reply-To: <44BE0D9E.8090804@asu.edu>
References: <e0d2adc80607180132u260122abv40a59c94707bf925@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060718184816.GD29588@illogics.org>
	<20060718222059.GY19270@thelackthereof.org>
	<20060719070008.GQ29588@illogics.org> <44BE0D9E.8090804@asu.edu>
Message-ID: <20060719182606.GS29588@illogics.org>

Hi Ben,

>    constraints and my own life's little surprises of thew past 2 years,
>    so if its me you have something against, fine, just don't take it out
>    on the university in a public list.

Whoa, whoa there... I think you misunderstood.  I certainly don't have
anything against you, and ASU's staff is no way obligated to help us --
that's not their job, and they don't owe us any favors.  And I was
refering to their past discooperation -- Brock reportedly mailed a list
of likely suspects and they didn't even do him the curtesy of a brief
reply explaining they can't help or suggesting another route.

I just meant to say that we shouldn't wait forever, or even much longer,
to see if an ASU location pans out, as it seems to me that that has
been delaying having a meeting for too long now.  And there's no reason
we can't do a meeting at Mill's End or whereever and then later at ASU
if we're able to work something out in the interium.  And indeed it was
because I am happy to allow your friend time to get back to us that I
suggested Mill's End.  It could take a few days of discussion to work
out an arrangement, then a week's advance notice to set up the room, 
and then rounding error involved in our own scheduling contraints 
(eg, tending to have meetings on Thursdays or whatever) would take it up
another half of a week.  None of that is his fault.  And it's stuff
we should be working on.

I didn't mean to (though I accidentally did -- I'm sorry) imply that your
friend wasn't cooperating.  I didn't realize he was actually ASU staff.
I'm still eager to see how that works out.

-scott

On  0, Ben Trussell <benjamin.trussell at asu.edu> wrote:
> 
>    Actually Scott, if the attempted communication started not but 12
>    hours ago off-list with ASULUG's new president and Brock as well as
>    yourself is in reference here, then maybe you should consider that
>    he's an undergraduate and it is summer - maybe he isn't checking email
>    every five minutes.
>    As for myself, I know my hopes to help out have exceeded my time
>    constraints and my own life's little surprises of thew past 2 years,
>    so if its me you have something against, fine, just don't take it out
>    on the university in a public list.
>    - Ben
>    Scott Walters wrote:
>    
> I'm of the opinion that we shouldn't allow ASU's discooperation to be any
> more of an obstacle.  Let's set something up for Mill's End and put 
> energies into advertising on campus bulletin boards.  Brock, have a date
> in mind?
> 
> -scott
> 
> On  0, Brock [1]<awwaiid at thelackthereof.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> Yep, google said that their meeting room is only for Google Employees.
> :(
> 
> If any of you have contacts at ASU please let me know. I'm still working
> my way through their hoops, and if we had someone on the inside it would
> go a lot better I think.
> 
> --Brock
> 
> On 2006.07.18.18.48, Scott Walters wrote:
> | Trying to track down a location.  We're trying to get something at ASU,
> | specifically, and that isn't going well.  Brock even called Google =P
> |
> | -scott
> |
> | On  0, Andrew Johnson [2]<andypm at exiledplanet.org> wrote:
> | >
> | >    ...is when?  Where?  And are we talking about YAPC?
> | >    [aj]
> |
> | > _______________________________________________
> | > Phoenix-pm mailing list
> | > [3]Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> | > [4]http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
> | _______________________________________________
> | Phoenix-pm mailing list
> | [5]Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> | [6]http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Phoenix-pm mailing list
> [7]Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> [8]http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
> 
> References
> 
>    1. mailto:awwaiid at thelackthereof.org
>    2. mailto:andypm at exiledplanet.org
>    3. mailto:Phoenix-pm at pm.org
>    4. http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
>    5. mailto:Phoenix-pm at pm.org
>    6. http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
>    7. mailto:Phoenix-pm at pm.org
>    8. http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm

> _______________________________________________
> Phoenix-pm mailing list
> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm

From scott at illogics.org  Wed Jul 19 11:27:02 2006
From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 18:27:02 +0000
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Next Meeting...
In-Reply-To: <20060719145224.GE19270@thelackthereof.org>
References: <e0d2adc80607180132u260122abv40a59c94707bf925@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060718184816.GD29588@illogics.org>
	<20060718222059.GY19270@thelackthereof.org>
	<20060719070008.GQ29588@illogics.org> <44BE0D9E.8090804@asu.edu>
	<20060719145224.GE19270@thelackthereof.org>
Message-ID: <20060719182702.GT29588@illogics.org>

Well put, Brock.  You have far more of a talent for the language (and
people) than I do.

-scott

On  0, Brock <awwaiid at thelackthereof.org> wrote:
> Hey there...
> 
> Scott was referring to the two other random people I've emailed over
> there who haven't responded, though of course you have an excellent
> point about it only having been 24 hours. For those who weren't in on
> that email, Ben is helping us communiate with ASULUG to get some shared
> space (a classroom or something) for presentations on-campus.
> 
> Looking for a venue is two-pronged -- I'm looking for places long term
> and short term. So no worries at all if we don't hook up with ASULUG in
> the next week, I'm looking forward to an arrangement which will last for
> a lot longer than that.
> 
> Your help is quite appreciated Ben,
> 
> --Brock
> 
> On 2006.07.19.03.46, Ben Trussell wrote:
> | Actually Scott, if the attempted communication started not but 12 hours ago
> | off-list with ASULUG's new president and Brock as well as yourself is in
> | reference here, then maybe you should consider that he's an undergraduate and
> | it is summer - maybe he isn't checking email every five minutes. 
> | 
> | As for myself, I know my hopes to help out have exceeded my time constraints
> | and my own life's little surprises of thew past 2 years, so if its me you have
> | something against, fine, just don't take it out on the university in a public
> | list.  
> | 
> | - Ben
> | 
> | Scott Walters wrote:
> | 
> |     I'm of the opinion that we shouldn't allow ASU's discooperation to be any
> |     more of an obstacle.  Let's set something up for Mill's End and put
> |     energies into advertising on campus bulletin boards.  Brock, have a date
> |     in mind?
> | 
> |     -scott
> | 
> |     On  0, Brock <awwaiid at thelackthereof.org> wrote:
> | 
> | 
> |         Yep, google said that their meeting room is only for Google Employees.
> |         :(
> | 
> |         If any of you have contacts at ASU please let me know. I'm still working
> |         my way through their hoops, and if we had someone on the inside it would
> |         go a lot better I think.
> | 
> |         --Brock
> | 
> |         On 2006.07.18.18.48, Scott Walters wrote:
> |         | Trying to track down a location.  We're trying to get something at ASU,
> |         | specifically, and that isn't going well.  Brock even called Google =P
> |         |
> |         | -scott
> |         |
> |         | On  0, Andrew Johnson <andypm at exiledplanet.org> wrote:
> |         | >
> |         | >    ...is when?  Where?  And are we talking about YAPC?
> |         | >    [aj]
> |         |
> |         | > _______________________________________________
> |         | > Phoenix-pm mailing list
> |         | > Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> |         | > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
> |         | _______________________________________________
> |         | Phoenix-pm mailing list
> |         | Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> |         | http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
> | 
> | 
> | 
> |     _______________________________________________
> |     Phoenix-pm mailing list
> |     Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> |     http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
> | 
> | 
> | 
> | 
> _______________________________________________
> Phoenix-pm mailing list
> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm

From scott at illogics.org  Wed Jul 19 12:18:45 2006
From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 19:18:45 +0000
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] ICFP this weekend!  3 days of intense programming!
In-Reply-To: <e0d2adc80607180132u260122abv40a59c94707bf925@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e0d2adc80607180132u260122abv40a59c94707bf925@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060719191844.GU29588@illogics.org>

http://icfpcontest.org/

Those of us who have done this by ourselves in the past are really sold on
the idea of having a bit more of a team this time around.  The puzzles
lend themselves to optimization, where it's easy enough to create a 
correct solution, but with a bit of cleverness, you can make a better
solution.  The winning team gets flown to the International Functional
Programming Conference, usually somewhere in Europe, and publically honored.
In the past, OCaml, Haskell, C++, and damn near everything *except* Perl
has won (er, has been used by the winning team), and some of us here want
to represent for Perl, yo.  Unloading all of your most brutal techniques
you don't dare putting into production is great fun, and you'll likely 
come to a number of epiphanies as your mind is forced to expand under
the pressure.  

I'll bring Jolt Cola and generic Provigil.  

-scott


From awwaiid at thelackthereof.org  Wed Jul 19 12:36:48 2006
From: awwaiid at thelackthereof.org (Brock)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 12:36:48 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] ICFP this weekend! 3 days of intense programming!
In-Reply-To: <20060719191844.GU29588@illogics.org>
References: <e0d2adc80607180132u260122abv40a59c94707bf925@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060719191844.GU29588@illogics.org>
Message-ID: <20060719193648.GI19270@thelackthereof.org>

Yes, everyone is welcome to join our team. So far it is myself, Scott,
and David (who is coming down from Flagstaff). All levels of Perl-fu are
welcome, and even if you just want to come over so we can practice
explaining our solution to you and you point out how we are crazy and
wrong then that is great too.

Last year the conference (where we get to go if we win) was held in
Tallinn, Estonia. This year it is in... drumroll....

... Portland Oregon. Not exactly Estonia, but it would be cool anyway :)

At our next meeting we'll present the problem and talk about our own and
other possible solutions.

--Brock

On 2006.07.19.19.18, Scott Walters wrote:
| http://icfpcontest.org/
| 
| Those of us who have done this by ourselves in the past are really sold on
| the idea of having a bit more of a team this time around.  The puzzles
| lend themselves to optimization, where it's easy enough to create a 
| correct solution, but with a bit of cleverness, you can make a better
| solution.  The winning team gets flown to the International Functional
| Programming Conference, usually somewhere in Europe, and publically honored.
| In the past, OCaml, Haskell, C++, and damn near everything *except* Perl
| has won (er, has been used by the winning team), and some of us here want
| to represent for Perl, yo.  Unloading all of your most brutal techniques
| you don't dare putting into production is great fun, and you'll likely 
| come to a number of epiphanies as your mind is forced to expand under
| the pressure.  
| 
| I'll bring Jolt Cola and generic Provigil.  
| 
| -scott
| 
| _______________________________________________
| Phoenix-pm mailing list
| Phoenix-pm at pm.org
| http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm

From bginter at ndevtech.net  Wed Jul 19 14:09:30 2006
From: bginter at ndevtech.net (Benjamin R. Ginter)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 14:09:30 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] ICFP this weekend! 3 days of intense programming!
In-Reply-To: <20060719191844.GU29588@illogics.org>
References: <e0d2adc80607180132u260122abv40a59c94707bf925@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060719191844.GU29588@illogics.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0607191408001.5760@lariatasp>

> I'll bring Jolt Cola and generic Provigil.

Mmmm, ampakines.. history of narcolepsy or just in the doctor's 
examination room?  :)

Ben



From scott at illogics.org  Wed Jul 19 14:56:47 2006
From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 21:56:47 +0000
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] ICFP this weekend! 3 days of intense programming!
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0607191408001.5760@lariatasp>
References: <e0d2adc80607180132u260122abv40a59c94707bf925@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060719191844.GU29588@illogics.org>
	<Pine.LNX.4.61.0607191408001.5760@lariatasp>
Message-ID: <20060719215646.GX29588@illogics.org>

Neither!  It's a small world.  Who'd have thought that Pakistan is a click away?

-scott

On  0, "Benjamin R. Ginter" <bginter at ndevtech.net> wrote:
> > I'll bring Jolt Cola and generic Provigil.
> 
> Mmmm, ampakines.. history of narcolepsy or just in the doctor's 
> examination room?  :)
> 
> Ben
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Phoenix-pm mailing list
> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm

From awwaiid at thelackthereof.org  Tue Jul 25 12:36:45 2006
From: awwaiid at thelackthereof.org (Brock)
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 12:36:45 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Meeting Reminder - Thursday 27 July 2006 meeting
Message-ID: <20060725193645.GF24933@thelackthereof.org>

Don't forget we have a meeting in two days! Here's the announcement:

     Time: Thursday 27 July 2006 7:00pm-9:00pm
 Location: Mill's End Cafe, Tempe, AZ
           http://maps.google.com/maps?q=310+S+Mill+Ave+tempe,+az
           North-West corner of Mill and 3rd (N of University Ave) in Tempe
           Parking off of 3rd (free with validation)
    Topic: YAPC::NA - Experiences and Topics at the conference
           ICFP 2006 - This year's contest, discussion and code
    Other: Free wireless, bring your laptops!

Look forward to seeing everyone there! Come any time between 7 and 9
(though I'll get there early to get us a good spot).

--Brock


From awwaiid at thelackthereof.org  Thu Jul 27 17:01:58 2006
From: awwaiid at thelackthereof.org (Brock)
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 17:01:58 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Meeting TODAY! - Thursday 27 July 2006 meeting
Message-ID: <20060728000158.GK24933@thelackthereof.org>

Don't forget we have a meeting today! I'm going to show up early
(6:30ish) to make sure we get a good spot. You should be able to
identify me by the Perl books I will have, which I very well may be
distributing during the meeting.... see you all there!

     Time: Thursday 27 July 2006 7:00pm-9:00pm
 Location: Mill's End Cafe, Tempe, AZ
           http://maps.google.com/maps?q=310+S+Mill+Ave+tempe,+az
           North-West corner of Mill and 3rd (N of University Ave) in Tempe
           Parking off of 3rd (free with validation)
    Topic: YAPC::NA - Experiences and Topics at the conference
           ICFP 2006 - This year's contest, discussion and code
    Other: Free wireless, bring your laptops!

--Brock


From j.g.britt at gmail.com  Thu Jul 27 21:05:12 2006
From: j.g.britt at gmail.com (James G. Britt)
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 21:05:12 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] [ANN] Phoenix Ruby Users Group August Meeting
Message-ID: <44C98CF8.2040803@gmail.com>

(Note: posted to the Perl list with prior permission.  Please let me 
know if this is an issue.)

The Phoenix Ruby Users Group will hold its August meeting on Monday, 
August 16, 2006, at 6:15pm.

The meeting will be held at at facilities graciously provided by Cyclone 
Commerce.

Please see the group wiki at:

  http://rubyurl.com/R7h

for a map and directions.

Topics: Undefined at the moment. Ruby stuff, at the very least.  Rails 
stuff,  whatever people feel compelled to talk about.  It's always good.

We've made a habit of going off to the Havana Cafe on Bell Road and 64th 
Street after the meeting

map: http://rubyurl.com/7r9

If you cannot make the meeting, but are free later on (8:30-ish), 
consider meeting up at the restaurant.

(And if you do, please first call James Britt (see 
http://rubyurl.com/R7h for the number) so a big enough table is reserved.)


The Phoenix Ruby Users Group meets on the second Monday of every month 
(baring holidays), at 6:15pm, at Cyclone Commerce.  Snacks and soda, too!

http://refreshphoenix.org/wiki/phoenixrubyusersgroup
  AKA http://rubyurl.com/R7h


Thanks!

-- 
James Britt

http://www.ruby-doc.org       - Ruby Help & Documentation
http://www.artima.com/rubycs/ - The Journal By & For Rubyists
http://www.rubystuff.com      - The Ruby Store for Ruby Stuff


From j.g.britt at gmail.com  Thu Jul 27 21:09:27 2006
From: j.g.britt at gmail.com (James G. Britt)
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 21:09:27 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] [ANN] Phoenix Ruby Users Group August Meeting
In-Reply-To: <44C98CF8.2040803@gmail.com>
References: <44C98CF8.2040803@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <44C98DF7.3070103@gmail.com>

James G. Britt wrote:
> (Note: posted to the Perl list with prior permission.  Please let me 
> know if this is an issue.)
> 
> The Phoenix Ruby Users Group will hold its August meeting on Monday, 
> August 16, 2006, at 6:15pm.

Sorry; I lied.  That's Monday, August 14.

James

From scott at illogics.org  Thu Jul 27 21:22:03 2006
From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 04:22:03 +0000
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] [ANN] Phoenix Ruby Users Group August Meeting
In-Reply-To: <44C98DF7.3070103@gmail.com>
References: <44C98CF8.2040803@gmail.com> <44C98DF7.3070103@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060728042203.GD29588@illogics.org>

Hi James,

You get extra points for posting while the Phoenix.PM meeting is in progress ;)

Everyone here has been notified.  I'll see if I can make it!

-scott

On  0, "James G. Britt" <j.g.britt at gmail.com> wrote:
> James G. Britt wrote:
> > (Note: posted to the Perl list with prior permission.  Please let me 
> > know if this is an issue.)
> > 
> > The Phoenix Ruby Users Group will hold its August meeting on Monday, 
> > August 16, 2006, at 6:15pm.
> 
> Sorry; I lied.  That's Monday, August 14.
> 
> James
> _______________________________________________
> Phoenix-pm mailing list
> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm

From friedman at highwire.stanford.edu  Sat Jul 29 08:57:02 2006
From: friedman at highwire.stanford.edu (Michael Friedman)
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 08:57:02 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] In town Sun, Mon
Message-ID: <382C8C50-76BD-4FED-B21A-DFB57C37CD26@highwire.stanford.edu>

Fellow Perl Mongers,

Sorry for the late notice, but I'm actually in town this weekend!
Would anyone like to get together for a social meeting Sunday or  
Monday night?

I'm staying in downtown Scottsdale, but can drive anywhere on the  
East Side to downtown Phoenix. Anyone have a suggestion for a  
convenient place?

I'd love to see everyone again if possible. If there is interest, I  
could present some of the XML stuff I've been working on (high-level  
design, not Perl specific) or talk about reference linking for  
journal articles using Perl and a database. I'd also love to hear  
about ICFP and OSCON and just catch up with y'all.

Hope to see everyone soon,
-- Mike

---------------------------------------------------------------------
Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
FAX:   270-721-8034                  <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
---------------------------------------------------------------------



From nathan.oyler at sap.com  Sat Jul 29 09:29:49 2006
From: nathan.oyler at sap.com (Oyler, Nathan)
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 09:29:49 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] In town Sun, Mon
Message-ID: <F2A7A7622D19D741A855C0D50A232831E3E816@uspale20.pal.sap.corp>

Provided all goes well today and I get my brakes fixed, I'm in for a sunday get together



-----Original Message-----
From: phoenix-pm-bounces+nathan.oyler=sap.com at pm.org <phoenix-pm-bounces+nathan.oyler=sap.com at pm.org>
To: Phoenix.pm <Phoenix-pm at pm.org>
Sent: Sat Jul 29 08:57:02 2006
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] In town Sun, Mon

Fellow Perl Mongers,

Sorry for the late notice, but I'm actually in town this weekend!
Would anyone like to get together for a social meeting Sunday or  
Monday night?

I'm staying in downtown Scottsdale, but can drive anywhere on the  
East Side to downtown Phoenix. Anyone have a suggestion for a  
convenient place?

I'd love to see everyone again if possible. If there is interest, I  
could present some of the XML stuff I've been working on (high-level  
design, not Perl specific) or talk about reference linking for  
journal articles using Perl and a database. I'd also love to hear  
about ICFP and OSCON and just catch up with y'all.

Hope to see everyone soon,
-- Mike

---------------------------------------------------------------------
Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
FAX:   270-721-8034                  <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
---------------------------------------------------------------------


_______________________________________________
Phoenix-pm mailing list
Phoenix-pm at pm.org
http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm

From dwchandler at stilyagin.com  Sat Jul 29 14:53:26 2006
From: dwchandler at stilyagin.com (Darrin Chandler)
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 14:53:26 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] August PhxBUG Meeting, Tuesday August 1st
Message-ID: <20060729215325.GC3712@jeeves.stilyagin.local>

Hi!

The next meeting of the Phoenix BSD User Group will be Tuesday, August
1st at 7:30pm. The location is ASU, Bateman PS-F Room 566 (map at
http://www.asu.edu/map/b2.html), courtesty of Marco.

This month's presentation will be An Introduction to PF, by Yours Truly.
I will lightly cover all the main features, with simple example rule
sets. With luck, we will also be able to show these in action.

For any of you not familiar with pf, it is a stateful packet filter
developed and maintained by the OpenBSD project, and ported to NetBSD,
FreeBSD, and (I've heard tell) Linux. It features an efficient and
secure design, coupled with a clean and readable rule syntax.

Last month we missed some of the usual crowd but had a few new faces
attend. I hope we can get the best of both this month, and I hope to see
you there.

-- 
Darrin Chandler
Phoenix BSD Users Group (PhxBUG)
dwc at bsd.phoenix.az.us
http://bsd.phoenix.az.us/

From friedman at highwire.stanford.edu  Sun Jul 30 11:56:19 2006
From: friedman at highwire.stanford.edu (Michael Friedman)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 11:56:19 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] In town Sun, Mon
In-Reply-To: <F2A7A7622D19D741A855C0D50A232831E3E816@uspale20.pal.sap.corp>
References: <F2A7A7622D19D741A855C0D50A232831E3E816@uspale20.pal.sap.corp>
Message-ID: <3A1641C1-E9EF-4B46-95A0-4B56CA8561DB@highwire.stanford.edu>

Only one response? Could more people make Monday?

-- Mike

On Jul 29, 2006, at 9:29 AM, Oyler, Nathan wrote:

> Provided all goes well today and I get my brakes fixed, I'm in for  
> a sunday get together
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: phoenix-pm-bounces+nathan.oyler=sap.com at pm.org <phoenix-pm- 
> bounces+nathan.oyler=sap.com at pm.org>
> To: Phoenix.pm <Phoenix-pm at pm.org>
> Sent: Sat Jul 29 08:57:02 2006
> Subject: [Phoenix-pm] In town Sun, Mon
>
> Fellow Perl Mongers,
>
> Sorry for the late notice, but I'm actually in town this weekend!
> Would anyone like to get together for a social meeting Sunday or
> Monday night?
>
> I'm staying in downtown Scottsdale, but can drive anywhere on the
> East Side to downtown Phoenix. Anyone have a suggestion for a
> convenient place?
>
> I'd love to see everyone again if possible. If there is interest, I
> could present some of the XML stuff I've been working on (high-level
> design, not Perl specific) or talk about reference linking for
> journal articles using Perl and a database. I'd also love to hear
> about ICFP and OSCON and just catch up with y'all.
>
> Hope to see everyone soon,
> -- Mike
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
> Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
> FAX:   270-721-8034                  <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Phoenix-pm mailing list
> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm

---------------------------------------------------------------------
Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
FAX:   270-721-8034                  <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
---------------------------------------------------------------------



From dwchandler at stilyagin.com  Sun Jul 30 12:13:47 2006
From: dwchandler at stilyagin.com (Darrin Chandler)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 12:13:47 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] In town Sun, Mon
In-Reply-To: <3A1641C1-E9EF-4B46-95A0-4B56CA8561DB@highwire.stanford.edu>
References: <F2A7A7622D19D741A855C0D50A232831E3E816@uspale20.pal.sap.corp>
	<3A1641C1-E9EF-4B46-95A0-4B56CA8561DB@highwire.stanford.edu>
Message-ID: <20060730191347.GB3123@jeeves.stilyagin.local>

On Sun, Jul 30, 2006 at 11:56:19AM -0700, Michael Friedman wrote:
> Only one response? Could more people make Monday?
> 
> -- Mike
> 
> On Jul 29, 2006, at 9:29 AM, Oyler, Nathan wrote:
> 
> > Provided all goes well today and I get my brakes fixed, I'm in for  
> > a sunday get together

I might be able to make either today or Monday. I've got a few things I
must get done, but I might be glad of a break. :)

-- 
Darrin Chandler            |  Phoenix BSD Users Group
dwchandler at stilyagin.com   |  http://bsd.phoenix.az.us/
http://www.stilyagin.com/  |

From awwaiid at thelackthereof.org  Sun Jul 30 17:04:49 2006
From: awwaiid at thelackthereof.org (Brock)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 17:04:49 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] In town Sun, Mon
In-Reply-To: <3A1641C1-E9EF-4B46-95A0-4B56CA8561DB@highwire.stanford.edu>
References: <F2A7A7622D19D741A855C0D50A232831E3E816@uspale20.pal.sap.corp>
	<3A1641C1-E9EF-4B46-95A0-4B56CA8561DB@highwire.stanford.edu>
Message-ID: <20060731000449.GO24933@thelackthereof.org>

Sorry Mike, would love to hang out but already have made plans :(

--Brock

On 2006.07.30.11.56, Michael Friedman wrote:
| Only one response? Could more people make Monday?
| 
| -- Mike
| 
| On Jul 29, 2006, at 9:29 AM, Oyler, Nathan wrote:
| 
| > Provided all goes well today and I get my brakes fixed, I'm in for  
| > a sunday get together
| >
| >
| >
| > -----Original Message-----
| > From: phoenix-pm-bounces+nathan.oyler=sap.com at pm.org <phoenix-pm- 
| > bounces+nathan.oyler=sap.com at pm.org>
| > To: Phoenix.pm <Phoenix-pm at pm.org>
| > Sent: Sat Jul 29 08:57:02 2006
| > Subject: [Phoenix-pm] In town Sun, Mon
| >
| > Fellow Perl Mongers,
| >
| > Sorry for the late notice, but I'm actually in town this weekend!
| > Would anyone like to get together for a social meeting Sunday or
| > Monday night?
| >
| > I'm staying in downtown Scottsdale, but can drive anywhere on the
| > East Side to downtown Phoenix. Anyone have a suggestion for a
| > convenient place?
| >
| > I'd love to see everyone again if possible. If there is interest, I
| > could present some of the XML stuff I've been working on (high-level
| > design, not Perl specific) or talk about reference linking for
| > journal articles using Perl and a database. I'd also love to hear
| > about ICFP and OSCON and just catch up with y'all.
| >
| > Hope to see everyone soon,
| > -- Mike
| >
| > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
| > Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
| > Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
| > FAX:   270-721-8034                  <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
| > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
| >
| >
| > _______________________________________________
| > Phoenix-pm mailing list
| > Phoenix-pm at pm.org
| > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
| 
| ---------------------------------------------------------------------
| Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
| Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
| FAX:   270-721-8034                  <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
| ---------------------------------------------------------------------
| 
| 
| _______________________________________________
| Phoenix-pm mailing list
| Phoenix-pm at pm.org
| http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm

From scott at illogics.org  Mon Jul 31 11:49:22 2006
From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 18:49:22 +0000
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] In town Sun, Mon
In-Reply-To: <3A1641C1-E9EF-4B46-95A0-4B56CA8561DB@highwire.stanford.edu>
References: <F2A7A7622D19D741A855C0D50A232831E3E816@uspale20.pal.sap.corp>
	<3A1641C1-E9EF-4B46-95A0-4B56CA8561DB@highwire.stanford.edu>
Message-ID: <20060731184922.GN29588@illogics.org>

Hi Everyone,

Sorry, was mostly offline the weekend... busy weekend.  Going to try
to catch up on email... 

-scott

On  0, Michael Friedman <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu> wrote:
> Only one response? Could more people make Monday?
> 
> -- Mike
> 
> On Jul 29, 2006, at 9:29 AM, Oyler, Nathan wrote:
> 
> > Provided all goes well today and I get my brakes fixed, I'm in for  
> > a sunday get together
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: phoenix-pm-bounces+nathan.oyler=sap.com at pm.org <phoenix-pm- 
> > bounces+nathan.oyler=sap.com at pm.org>
> > To: Phoenix.pm <Phoenix-pm at pm.org>
> > Sent: Sat Jul 29 08:57:02 2006
> > Subject: [Phoenix-pm] In town Sun, Mon
> >
> > Fellow Perl Mongers,
> >
> > Sorry for the late notice, but I'm actually in town this weekend!
> > Would anyone like to get together for a social meeting Sunday or
> > Monday night?
> >
> > I'm staying in downtown Scottsdale, but can drive anywhere on the
> > East Side to downtown Phoenix. Anyone have a suggestion for a
> > convenient place?
> >
> > I'd love to see everyone again if possible. If there is interest, I
> > could present some of the XML stuff I've been working on (high-level
> > design, not Perl specific) or talk about reference linking for
> > journal articles using Perl and a database. I'd also love to hear
> > about ICFP and OSCON and just catch up with y'all.
> >
> > Hope to see everyone soon,
> > -- Mike
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
> > Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
> > FAX:   270-721-8034                  <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Phoenix-pm mailing list
> > Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
> Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
> FAX:   270-721-8034                  <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Phoenix-pm mailing list
> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm

From scott at illogics.org  Mon Jul 31 14:41:41 2006
From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 21:41:41 +0000
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] In town Sun, Mon
In-Reply-To: <3A1641C1-E9EF-4B46-95A0-4B56CA8561DB@highwire.stanford.edu>
References: <F2A7A7622D19D741A855C0D50A232831E3E816@uspale20.pal.sap.corp>
	<3A1641C1-E9EF-4B46-95A0-4B56CA8561DB@highwire.stanford.edu>
Message-ID: <20060731214140.GU29588@illogics.org>

I'm inclined to declare an emergency meeting at the first Dennys-scale
resturant without walking distance of Michael... I don't think I actually
caught up on this conversation.  My attempt to go back in my spool a bit
got me distracted for several hours with *other* things that needed
attention (curses!) and now I'm afraid to try again.  Or if Michael has
a car and wants to take no risk of having a boring evening alone, I
can declare the meeting to be at da house.  

I should also note that Michael's last talk about technology and
automation and how they were processing abstracts with Perl at 
Highwire Press was intriguing went over quite well.  But that was
right after Slashdot ran a story about how Google was VICIOUSLY
ATTACKING academic publishing houses like Highwire, which Michael
found laughable.

Anyway.  Thoughts?  Should we just go to Michael's hotel room, or
should Michael just go to da house?  (I can't call it "my house",
because it is of course Heather's).

-scott

On  0, Michael Friedman <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu> wrote:
> Only one response? Could more people make Monday?
> 
> -- Mike
> 
> On Jul 29, 2006, at 9:29 AM, Oyler, Nathan wrote:
> 
> > Provided all goes well today and I get my brakes fixed, I'm in for  
> > a sunday get together
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: phoenix-pm-bounces+nathan.oyler=sap.com at pm.org <phoenix-pm- 
> > bounces+nathan.oyler=sap.com at pm.org>
> > To: Phoenix.pm <Phoenix-pm at pm.org>
> > Sent: Sat Jul 29 08:57:02 2006
> > Subject: [Phoenix-pm] In town Sun, Mon
> >
> > Fellow Perl Mongers,
> >
> > Sorry for the late notice, but I'm actually in town this weekend!
> > Would anyone like to get together for a social meeting Sunday or
> > Monday night?
> >
> > I'm staying in downtown Scottsdale, but can drive anywhere on the
> > East Side to downtown Phoenix. Anyone have a suggestion for a
> > convenient place?
> >
> > I'd love to see everyone again if possible. If there is interest, I
> > could present some of the XML stuff I've been working on (high-level
> > design, not Perl specific) or talk about reference linking for
> > journal articles using Perl and a database. I'd also love to hear
> > about ICFP and OSCON and just catch up with y'all.
> >
> > Hope to see everyone soon,
> > -- Mike
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
> > Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
> > FAX:   270-721-8034                  <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Phoenix-pm mailing list
> > Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
> Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
> FAX:   270-721-8034                  <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Phoenix-pm mailing list
> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm

From nathan.oyler at sap.com  Mon Jul 31 14:37:44 2006
From: nathan.oyler at sap.com (Oyler, Nathan)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 14:37:44 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] In town Sun, Mon
In-Reply-To: <20060731214140.GU29588@illogics.org>
Message-ID: <F2A7A7622D19D741A855C0D50A23283101D665C3@uspale20.pal.sap.corp>

I'm digging a Denny's style outing if I can make it. I've got to run by
the datacenter after work (why I wanted Sunday), so it really depends on
if everything goes according to plan there. Driving distance isn't a
concern tonight, so I don't care where.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Walters [mailto:scott at illogics.org]
> Sent: Monday, Jul 31, 2006 14:42 PM
> To: Michael Friedman
> Cc: Oyler, Nathan; Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> Subject: Re: [Phoenix-pm] In town Sun, Mon
> 
> I'm inclined to declare an emergency meeting at the first Dennys-scale
> resturant without walking distance of Michael... I don't think I
actually
> caught up on this conversation.  My attempt to go back in my spool a
bit
> got me distracted for several hours with *other* things that needed
> attention (curses!) and now I'm afraid to try again.  Or if Michael
has
> a car and wants to take no risk of having a boring evening alone, I
> can declare the meeting to be at da house.
> 
> I should also note that Michael's last talk about technology and
> automation and how they were processing abstracts with Perl at
> Highwire Press was intriguing went over quite well.  But that was
> right after Slashdot ran a story about how Google was VICIOUSLY
> ATTACKING academic publishing houses like Highwire, which Michael
> found laughable.
> 
> Anyway.  Thoughts?  Should we just go to Michael's hotel room, or
> should Michael just go to da house?  (I can't call it "my house",
> because it is of course Heather's).
> 
> -scott
> 
> On  0, Michael Friedman <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu> wrote:
> > Only one response? Could more people make Monday?
> >
> > -- Mike
> >
> > On Jul 29, 2006, at 9:29 AM, Oyler, Nathan wrote:
> >
> > > Provided all goes well today and I get my brakes fixed, I'm in for
> > > a sunday get together
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: phoenix-pm-bounces+nathan.oyler=sap.com at pm.org <phoenix-pm-
> > > bounces+nathan.oyler=sap.com at pm.org>
> > > To: Phoenix.pm <Phoenix-pm at pm.org>
> > > Sent: Sat Jul 29 08:57:02 2006
> > > Subject: [Phoenix-pm] In town Sun, Mon
> > >
> > > Fellow Perl Mongers,
> > >
> > > Sorry for the late notice, but I'm actually in town this weekend!
> > > Would anyone like to get together for a social meeting Sunday or
> > > Monday night?
> > >
> > > I'm staying in downtown Scottsdale, but can drive anywhere on the
> > > East Side to downtown Phoenix. Anyone have a suggestion for a
> > > convenient place?
> > >
> > > I'd love to see everyone again if possible. If there is interest,
I
> > > could present some of the XML stuff I've been working on
(high-level
> > > design, not Perl specific) or talk about reference linking for
> > > journal articles using Perl and a database. I'd also love to hear
> > > about ICFP and OSCON and just catch up with y'all.
> > >
> > > Hope to see everyone soon,
> > > -- Mike
> > >
> > >
---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
> > > Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
> > > FAX:   270-721-8034
<friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
> > >
---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Phoenix-pm mailing list
> > > Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
> >
> >
---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
> > Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
> > FAX:   270-721-8034
<friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
> >
---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Phoenix-pm mailing list
> > Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm

From dwchandler at stilyagin.com  Mon Jul 31 15:03:31 2006
From: dwchandler at stilyagin.com (Darrin Chandler)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:03:31 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] In town Sun, Mon
In-Reply-To: <20060731214140.GU29588@illogics.org>
References: <F2A7A7622D19D741A855C0D50A232831E3E816@uspale20.pal.sap.corp>
	<3A1641C1-E9EF-4B46-95A0-4B56CA8561DB@highwire.stanford.edu>
	<20060731214140.GU29588@illogics.org>
Message-ID: <20060731220331.GD30404@jeeves.stilyagin.local>

I'd prefer something in the Scottsdale/Tempe area, if Michael is still
up for this.

On Mon, Jul 31, 2006 at 09:41:41PM +0000, Scott Walters wrote:
> I'm inclined to declare an emergency meeting at the first Dennys-scale
> resturant without walking distance of Michael... I don't think I actually
> caught up on this conversation.  My attempt to go back in my spool a bit
> got me distracted for several hours with *other* things that needed
> attention (curses!) and now I'm afraid to try again.  Or if Michael has
> a car and wants to take no risk of having a boring evening alone, I
> can declare the meeting to be at da house.  
> 
> I should also note that Michael's last talk about technology and
> automation and how they were processing abstracts with Perl at 
> Highwire Press was intriguing went over quite well.  But that was
> right after Slashdot ran a story about how Google was VICIOUSLY
> ATTACKING academic publishing houses like Highwire, which Michael
> found laughable.
> 
> Anyway.  Thoughts?  Should we just go to Michael's hotel room, or
> should Michael just go to da house?  (I can't call it "my house",
> because it is of course Heather's).
> 
> -scott
> 
> On  0, Michael Friedman <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu> wrote:
> > Only one response? Could more people make Monday?
> > 
> > -- Mike
> > 
> > On Jul 29, 2006, at 9:29 AM, Oyler, Nathan wrote:
> > 
> > > Provided all goes well today and I get my brakes fixed, I'm in for  
> > > a sunday get together
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: phoenix-pm-bounces+nathan.oyler=sap.com at pm.org <phoenix-pm- 
> > > bounces+nathan.oyler=sap.com at pm.org>
> > > To: Phoenix.pm <Phoenix-pm at pm.org>
> > > Sent: Sat Jul 29 08:57:02 2006
> > > Subject: [Phoenix-pm] In town Sun, Mon
> > >
> > > Fellow Perl Mongers,
> > >
> > > Sorry for the late notice, but I'm actually in town this weekend!
> > > Would anyone like to get together for a social meeting Sunday or
> > > Monday night?
> > >
> > > I'm staying in downtown Scottsdale, but can drive anywhere on the
> > > East Side to downtown Phoenix. Anyone have a suggestion for a
> > > convenient place?
> > >
> > > I'd love to see everyone again if possible. If there is interest, I
> > > could present some of the XML stuff I've been working on (high-level
> > > design, not Perl specific) or talk about reference linking for
> > > journal articles using Perl and a database. I'd also love to hear
> > > about ICFP and OSCON and just catch up with y'all.
> > >
> > > Hope to see everyone soon,
> > > -- Mike
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
> > > Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
> > > FAX:   270-721-8034                  <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Phoenix-pm mailing list
> > > Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
> > 
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
> > Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
> > FAX:   270-721-8034                  <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Phoenix-pm mailing list
> > Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
> _______________________________________________
> Phoenix-pm mailing list
> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm

-- 
Darrin Chandler            |  Phoenix BSD Users Group
dwchandler at stilyagin.com   |  http://bsd.phoenix.az.us/
http://www.stilyagin.com/  |

From scott at illogics.org  Mon Jul 31 15:24:13 2006
From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 22:24:13 +0000
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] In town Sun, Mon
In-Reply-To: <F2A7A7622D19D741A855C0D50A23283101D665C3@uspale20.pal.sap.corp>
References: <20060731214140.GU29588@illogics.org>
	<F2A7A7622D19D741A855C0D50A23283101D665C3@uspale20.pal.sap.corp>
Message-ID: <20060731222413.GX29588@illogics.org>

Ahhhh.... *few*... okay... as I said, I got in on this conversation late and
wasn't online over the weekend (rare for me, sure to induce panic), so I
thought Michael was in town *right now* and leaving *the day after tomorrow*.
But if this is a week in the future... then I'm a lot more flexible.  I'd
rather not do Sun morning because that's when I go climb plastic rocks ;)

Regardless, Michael, could you please resend your travel schedule and 
hotel address?

-scott



On  0, "Oyler, Nathan" <nathan.oyler at sap.com> wrote:
> I'm digging a Denny's style outing if I can make it. I've got to run by
> the datacenter after work (why I wanted Sunday), so it really depends on
> if everything goes according to plan there. Driving distance isn't a
> concern tonight, so I don't care where.
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Scott Walters [mailto:scott at illogics.org]
> > Sent: Monday, Jul 31, 2006 14:42 PM
> > To: Michael Friedman
> > Cc: Oyler, Nathan; Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> > Subject: Re: [Phoenix-pm] In town Sun, Mon
> > 
> > I'm inclined to declare an emergency meeting at the first Dennys-scale
> > resturant without walking distance of Michael... I don't think I
> actually
> > caught up on this conversation.  My attempt to go back in my spool a
> bit
> > got me distracted for several hours with *other* things that needed
> > attention (curses!) and now I'm afraid to try again.  Or if Michael
> has
> > a car and wants to take no risk of having a boring evening alone, I
> > can declare the meeting to be at da house.
> > 
> > I should also note that Michael's last talk about technology and
> > automation and how they were processing abstracts with Perl at
> > Highwire Press was intriguing went over quite well.  But that was
> > right after Slashdot ran a story about how Google was VICIOUSLY
> > ATTACKING academic publishing houses like Highwire, which Michael
> > found laughable.
> > 
> > Anyway.  Thoughts?  Should we just go to Michael's hotel room, or
> > should Michael just go to da house?  (I can't call it "my house",
> > because it is of course Heather's).
> > 
> > -scott
> > 
> > On  0, Michael Friedman <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu> wrote:
> > > Only one response? Could more people make Monday?
> > >
> > > -- Mike
> > >
> > > On Jul 29, 2006, at 9:29 AM, Oyler, Nathan wrote:
> > >
> > > > Provided all goes well today and I get my brakes fixed, I'm in for
> > > > a sunday get together
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: phoenix-pm-bounces+nathan.oyler=sap.com at pm.org <phoenix-pm-
> > > > bounces+nathan.oyler=sap.com at pm.org>
> > > > To: Phoenix.pm <Phoenix-pm at pm.org>
> > > > Sent: Sat Jul 29 08:57:02 2006
> > > > Subject: [Phoenix-pm] In town Sun, Mon
> > > >
> > > > Fellow Perl Mongers,
> > > >
> > > > Sorry for the late notice, but I'm actually in town this weekend!
> > > > Would anyone like to get together for a social meeting Sunday or
> > > > Monday night?
> > > >
> > > > I'm staying in downtown Scottsdale, but can drive anywhere on the
> > > > East Side to downtown Phoenix. Anyone have a suggestion for a
> > > > convenient place?
> > > >
> > > > I'd love to see everyone again if possible. If there is interest,
> I
> > > > could present some of the XML stuff I've been working on
> (high-level
> > > > design, not Perl specific) or talk about reference linking for
> > > > journal articles using Perl and a database. I'd also love to hear
> > > > about ICFP and OSCON and just catch up with y'all.
> > > >
> > > > Hope to see everyone soon,
> > > > -- Mike
> > > >
> > > >
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
> > > > Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
> > > > FAX:   270-721-8034
> <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
> > > >
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Phoenix-pm mailing list
> > > > Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> > > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
> > >
> > >
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
> > > Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
> > > FAX:   270-721-8034
> <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
> > >
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Phoenix-pm mailing list
> > > Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
> _______________________________________________
> Phoenix-pm mailing list
> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm

From friedman at highwire.stanford.edu  Mon Jul 31 15:18:27 2006
From: friedman at highwire.stanford.edu (Michael Friedman)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:18:27 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] In town Sun, Mon
In-Reply-To: <20060731214140.GU29588@illogics.org>
References: <F2A7A7622D19D741A855C0D50A232831E3E816@uspale20.pal.sap.corp>
	<3A1641C1-E9EF-4B46-95A0-4B56CA8561DB@highwire.stanford.edu>
	<20060731214140.GU29588@illogics.org>
Message-ID: <C517636E-263E-4FCA-A9A4-EE7615CFCB42@highwire.stanford.edu>

Well, I do have a car, there's no need for using my hotel room. (For  
another thing, my wife and toddler are here, one of whom has an 8 pm  
bedtime.)

Also, given the lateness of today, I'm inclined to meet tomorrow  
instead. (It turns out I can do Tuesday night too.) Anywhere within a  
half-hour of downtown Scottsdale would be fine. Mill's End is great,  
since I already know where that is. I just discovered today that my  
former favorite cafe, Romancing the Bean, is no longer in North  
Scottsdale, they're now in the giant construction zone on Rio Salado  
in Tempe... and only open until 5 pm, so that won't work.

So, unless anyone has a better idea, how about?

Time: Tuesday 8/1  8:00 pm
Location: Mill's End (or other suitable juncture)
Topic: conversation, random perl talk

Although I've always been curious as to how Scott lives...

-- Mike

On Jul 31, 2006, at 2:41 PM, Scott Walters wrote:

> I'm inclined to declare an emergency meeting at the first Dennys-scale
> resturant without walking distance of Michael... I don't think I  
> actually
> caught up on this conversation.  My attempt to go back in my spool  
> a bit
> got me distracted for several hours with *other* things that needed
> attention (curses!) and now I'm afraid to try again.  Or if Michael  
> has
> a car and wants to take no risk of having a boring evening alone, I
> can declare the meeting to be at da house.
>
> I should also note that Michael's last talk about technology and
> automation and how they were processing abstracts with Perl at
> Highwire Press was intriguing went over quite well.  But that was
> right after Slashdot ran a story about how Google was VICIOUSLY
> ATTACKING academic publishing houses like Highwire, which Michael
> found laughable.
>
> Anyway.  Thoughts?  Should we just go to Michael's hotel room, or
> should Michael just go to da house?  (I can't call it "my house",
> because it is of course Heather's).
>
> -scott
>
> On  0, Michael Friedman <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu> wrote:
>> Only one response? Could more people make Monday?
>>
>> -- Mike
>>
>> On Jul 29, 2006, at 9:29 AM, Oyler, Nathan wrote:
>>
>>> Provided all goes well today and I get my brakes fixed, I'm in for
>>> a sunday get together
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: phoenix-pm-bounces+nathan.oyler=sap.com at pm.org <phoenix-pm-
>>> bounces+nathan.oyler=sap.com at pm.org>
>>> To: Phoenix.pm <Phoenix-pm at pm.org>
>>> Sent: Sat Jul 29 08:57:02 2006
>>> Subject: [Phoenix-pm] In town Sun, Mon
>>>
>>> Fellow Perl Mongers,
>>>
>>> Sorry for the late notice, but I'm actually in town this weekend!
>>> Would anyone like to get together for a social meeting Sunday or
>>> Monday night?
>>>
>>> I'm staying in downtown Scottsdale, but can drive anywhere on the
>>> East Side to downtown Phoenix. Anyone have a suggestion for a
>>> convenient place?
>>>
>>> I'd love to see everyone again if possible. If there is interest, I
>>> could present some of the XML stuff I've been working on (high-level
>>> design, not Perl specific) or talk about reference linking for
>>> journal articles using Perl and a database. I'd also love to hear
>>> about ICFP and OSCON and just catch up with y'all.
>>>
>>> Hope to see everyone soon,
>>> -- Mike
>>>
>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>>> -
>>> Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
>>> Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
>>> FAX:   270-721-8034                   
>>> <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>>> -
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Phoenix-pm mailing list
>>> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
>> Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
>> FAX:   270-721-8034                  <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Phoenix-pm mailing list
>> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm

---------------------------------------------------------------------
Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
FAX:   270-721-8034                  <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
---------------------------------------------------------------------



From dwchandler at stilyagin.com  Mon Jul 31 15:19:57 2006
From: dwchandler at stilyagin.com (Darrin Chandler)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:19:57 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] In town Sun, Mon
In-Reply-To: <20060731222413.GX29588@illogics.org>
References: <20060731214140.GU29588@illogics.org>
	<F2A7A7622D19D741A855C0D50A23283101D665C3@uspale20.pal.sap.corp>
	<20060731222413.GX29588@illogics.org>
Message-ID: <20060731221957.GE30404@jeeves.stilyagin.local>

You mean he's NOT in town now? Then you weren't the only one under that
impression!

On Mon, Jul 31, 2006 at 10:24:13PM +0000, Scott Walters wrote:
> Ahhhh.... *few*... okay... as I said, I got in on this conversation late and
> wasn't online over the weekend (rare for me, sure to induce panic), so I
> thought Michael was in town *right now* and leaving *the day after tomorrow*.
> But if this is a week in the future... then I'm a lot more flexible.  I'd
> rather not do Sun morning because that's when I go climb plastic rocks ;)
> 
> Regardless, Michael, could you please resend your travel schedule and 
> hotel address?

-- 
Darrin Chandler            |  Phoenix BSD Users Group
dwchandler at stilyagin.com   |  http://bsd.phoenix.az.us/
http://www.stilyagin.com/  |

From friedman at highwire.stanford.edu  Mon Jul 31 15:20:42 2006
From: friedman at highwire.stanford.edu (Michael Friedman)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:20:42 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] In town Sun, Mon
In-Reply-To: <20060731222413.GX29588@illogics.org>
References: <20060731214140.GU29588@illogics.org>
	<F2A7A7622D19D741A855C0D50A23283101D665C3@uspale20.pal.sap.corp>
	<20060731222413.GX29588@illogics.org>
Message-ID: <BFDCB523-939C-40E4-8CF8-DF9D041D2749@highwire.stanford.edu>

Right now, as in: I'm in AZ typing this. Next week you will find me  
moved completely to California, I hope. (Enjoying the Phoenix-like  
weather in Sacramento, which was 106 and 80% humidity last weekend.)

So today or tomorrow is it.
-- Mike



On Jul 31, 2006, at 3:24 PM, Scott Walters wrote:

> Ahhhh.... *few*... okay... as I said, I got in on this conversation  
> late and
> wasn't online over the weekend (rare for me, sure to induce panic),  
> so I
> thought Michael was in town *right now* and leaving *the day after  
> tomorrow*.
> But if this is a week in the future... then I'm a lot more  
> flexible.  I'd
> rather not do Sun morning because that's when I go climb plastic  
> rocks ;)
>
> Regardless, Michael, could you please resend your travel schedule and
> hotel address?
>
> -scott
>
>
>
> On  0, "Oyler, Nathan" <nathan.oyler at sap.com> wrote:
>> I'm digging a Denny's style outing if I can make it. I've got to  
>> run by
>> the datacenter after work (why I wanted Sunday), so it really  
>> depends on
>> if everything goes according to plan there. Driving distance isn't a
>> concern tonight, so I don't care where.
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Scott Walters [mailto:scott at illogics.org]
>>> Sent: Monday, Jul 31, 2006 14:42 PM
>>> To: Michael Friedman
>>> Cc: Oyler, Nathan; Phoenix-pm at pm.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Phoenix-pm] In town Sun, Mon
>>>
>>> I'm inclined to declare an emergency meeting at the first Dennys- 
>>> scale
>>> resturant without walking distance of Michael... I don't think I
>> actually
>>> caught up on this conversation.  My attempt to go back in my spool a
>> bit
>>> got me distracted for several hours with *other* things that needed
>>> attention (curses!) and now I'm afraid to try again.  Or if Michael
>> has
>>> a car and wants to take no risk of having a boring evening alone, I
>>> can declare the meeting to be at da house.
>>>
>>> I should also note that Michael's last talk about technology and
>>> automation and how they were processing abstracts with Perl at
>>> Highwire Press was intriguing went over quite well.  But that was
>>> right after Slashdot ran a story about how Google was VICIOUSLY
>>> ATTACKING academic publishing houses like Highwire, which Michael
>>> found laughable.
>>>
>>> Anyway.  Thoughts?  Should we just go to Michael's hotel room, or
>>> should Michael just go to da house?  (I can't call it "my house",
>>> because it is of course Heather's).
>>>
>>> -scott
>>>
>>> On  0, Michael Friedman <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu> wrote:
>>>> Only one response? Could more people make Monday?
>>>>
>>>> -- Mike
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 29, 2006, at 9:29 AM, Oyler, Nathan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Provided all goes well today and I get my brakes fixed, I'm in for
>>>>> a sunday get together
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: phoenix-pm-bounces+nathan.oyler=sap.com at pm.org <phoenix-pm-
>>>>> bounces+nathan.oyler=sap.com at pm.org>
>>>>> To: Phoenix.pm <Phoenix-pm at pm.org>
>>>>> Sent: Sat Jul 29 08:57:02 2006
>>>>> Subject: [Phoenix-pm] In town Sun, Mon
>>>>>
>>>>> Fellow Perl Mongers,
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry for the late notice, but I'm actually in town this weekend!
>>>>> Would anyone like to get together for a social meeting Sunday or
>>>>> Monday night?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm staying in downtown Scottsdale, but can drive anywhere on the
>>>>> East Side to downtown Phoenix. Anyone have a suggestion for a
>>>>> convenient place?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd love to see everyone again if possible. If there is interest,
>> I
>>>>> could present some of the XML stuff I've been working on
>> (high-level
>>>>> design, not Perl specific) or talk about reference linking for
>>>>> journal articles using Perl and a database. I'd also love to hear
>>>>> about ICFP and OSCON and just catch up with y'all.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hope to see everyone soon,
>>>>> -- Mike
>>>>>
>>>>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
>>>>> Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
>>>>> FAX:   270-721-8034
>> <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
>>>>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Phoenix-pm mailing list
>>>>> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
>>>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
>>>>
>>>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
>>>> Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
>>>> FAX:   270-721-8034
>> <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
>>>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Phoenix-pm mailing list
>>>> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
>>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
>> _______________________________________________
>> Phoenix-pm mailing list
>> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm

---------------------------------------------------------------------
Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
FAX:   270-721-8034                  <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
---------------------------------------------------------------------



From nathan.oyler at sap.com  Mon Jul 31 15:23:26 2006
From: nathan.oyler at sap.com (Oyler, Nathan)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:23:26 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] In town Sun, Mon
In-Reply-To: <C517636E-263E-4FCA-A9A4-EE7615CFCB42@highwire.stanford.edu>
Message-ID: <F2A7A7622D19D741A855C0D50A23283101D6661C@uspale20.pal.sap.corp>

How about this.

There's a great little coffee shop on Mcclintock and Baseline. Southeast
corner. 

Not remembering the name, it says coffee in neon. It's off mcclintock
and is next to an Indian Resturant.

I will be there at 7-7-30. I will be willing to discuss perl, politics,
etc..

If you wish to join me, feel free. My cell is 623-202-6976

If anyone wants a ride, please let me know. I have a 2 seater though, so
first come, that's it :)

I'll just determine to get all my work done flawlessly tonight :)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Friedman [mailto:friedman at highwire.stanford.edu]
> Sent: Monday, Jul 31, 2006 15:18 PM
> To: Scott Walters
> Cc: Oyler, Nathan; Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> Subject: Re: [Phoenix-pm] In town Sun, Mon
> 
> Well, I do have a car, there's no need for using my hotel room. (For
> another thing, my wife and toddler are here, one of whom has an 8 pm
> bedtime.)
> 
> Also, given the lateness of today, I'm inclined to meet tomorrow
> instead. (It turns out I can do Tuesday night too.) Anywhere within a
> half-hour of downtown Scottsdale would be fine. Mill's End is great,
> since I already know where that is. I just discovered today that my
> former favorite cafe, Romancing the Bean, is no longer in North
> Scottsdale, they're now in the giant construction zone on Rio Salado
> in Tempe... and only open until 5 pm, so that won't work.
> 
> So, unless anyone has a better idea, how about?
> 
> Time: Tuesday 8/1  8:00 pm
> Location: Mill's End (or other suitable juncture)
> Topic: conversation, random perl talk
> 
> Although I've always been curious as to how Scott lives...
> 
> -- Mike
> 
> On Jul 31, 2006, at 2:41 PM, Scott Walters wrote:
> 
> > I'm inclined to declare an emergency meeting at the first
Dennys-scale
> > resturant without walking distance of Michael... I don't think I
> > actually
> > caught up on this conversation.  My attempt to go back in my spool
> > a bit
> > got me distracted for several hours with *other* things that needed
> > attention (curses!) and now I'm afraid to try again.  Or if Michael
> > has
> > a car and wants to take no risk of having a boring evening alone, I
> > can declare the meeting to be at da house.
> >
> > I should also note that Michael's last talk about technology and
> > automation and how they were processing abstracts with Perl at
> > Highwire Press was intriguing went over quite well.  But that was
> > right after Slashdot ran a story about how Google was VICIOUSLY
> > ATTACKING academic publishing houses like Highwire, which Michael
> > found laughable.
> >
> > Anyway.  Thoughts?  Should we just go to Michael's hotel room, or
> > should Michael just go to da house?  (I can't call it "my house",
> > because it is of course Heather's).
> >
> > -scott
> >
> > On  0, Michael Friedman <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu> wrote:
> >> Only one response? Could more people make Monday?
> >>
> >> -- Mike
> >>
> >> On Jul 29, 2006, at 9:29 AM, Oyler, Nathan wrote:
> >>
> >>> Provided all goes well today and I get my brakes fixed, I'm in for
> >>> a sunday get together
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: phoenix-pm-bounces+nathan.oyler=sap.com at pm.org <phoenix-pm-
> >>> bounces+nathan.oyler=sap.com at pm.org>
> >>> To: Phoenix.pm <Phoenix-pm at pm.org>
> >>> Sent: Sat Jul 29 08:57:02 2006
> >>> Subject: [Phoenix-pm] In town Sun, Mon
> >>>
> >>> Fellow Perl Mongers,
> >>>
> >>> Sorry for the late notice, but I'm actually in town this weekend!
> >>> Would anyone like to get together for a social meeting Sunday or
> >>> Monday night?
> >>>
> >>> I'm staying in downtown Scottsdale, but can drive anywhere on the
> >>> East Side to downtown Phoenix. Anyone have a suggestion for a
> >>> convenient place?
> >>>
> >>> I'd love to see everyone again if possible. If there is interest,
I
> >>> could present some of the XML stuff I've been working on
(high-level
> >>> design, not Perl specific) or talk about reference linking for
> >>> journal articles using Perl and a database. I'd also love to hear
> >>> about ICFP and OSCON and just catch up with y'all.
> >>>
> >>> Hope to see everyone soon,
> >>> -- Mike
> >>>
> >>>
--------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>> -
> >>> Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
> >>> Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
> >>> FAX:   270-721-8034
> >>> <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
> >>>
--------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>> -
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Phoenix-pm mailing list
> >>> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> >>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
> >>
> >>
---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
> >> Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
> >> FAX:   270-721-8034
<friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
> >>
---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Phoenix-pm mailing list
> >> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
> Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
> FAX:   270-721-8034                  <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> 


From friedman at highwire.stanford.edu  Mon Jul 31 15:27:56 2006
From: friedman at highwire.stanford.edu (Michael Friedman)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:27:56 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] In town Sun, Mon
In-Reply-To: <F2A7A7622D19D741A855C0D50A23283101D6661C@uspale20.pal.sap.corp>
References: <F2A7A7622D19D741A855C0D50A23283101D6661C@uspale20.pal.sap.corp>
Message-ID: <07FB9FC0-A9F8-4FB1-9F33-BC51E324F090@highwire.stanford.edu>

That's called Steve's Espresso, and it's about 3 blocks from my  
former house. :-) Quiet, free wi-fi, nice owner.

http://www.stevesespresso.com/

That works for me. Anyone/everyone else?

-- Mike

On Jul 31, 2006, at 3:23 PM, Oyler, Nathan wrote:

> How about this.
>
> There's a great little coffee shop on Mcclintock and Baseline.  
> Southeast
> corner.
>
> Not remembering the name, it says coffee in neon. It's off mcclintock
> and is next to an Indian Resturant.
>
> I will be there at 7-7-30. I will be willing to discuss perl,  
> politics,
> etc..
>
> If you wish to join me, feel free. My cell is 623-202-6976
>
> If anyone wants a ride, please let me know. I have a 2 seater  
> though, so
> first come, that's it :)
>
> I'll just determine to get all my work done flawlessly tonight :)
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Michael Friedman [mailto:friedman at highwire.stanford.edu]
>> Sent: Monday, Jul 31, 2006 15:18 PM
>> To: Scott Walters
>> Cc: Oyler, Nathan; Phoenix-pm at pm.org
>> Subject: Re: [Phoenix-pm] In town Sun, Mon
>>
>> Well, I do have a car, there's no need for using my hotel room. (For
>> another thing, my wife and toddler are here, one of whom has an 8 pm
>> bedtime.)
>>
>> Also, given the lateness of today, I'm inclined to meet tomorrow
>> instead. (It turns out I can do Tuesday night too.) Anywhere within a
>> half-hour of downtown Scottsdale would be fine. Mill's End is great,
>> since I already know where that is. I just discovered today that my
>> former favorite cafe, Romancing the Bean, is no longer in North
>> Scottsdale, they're now in the giant construction zone on Rio Salado
>> in Tempe... and only open until 5 pm, so that won't work.
>>
>> So, unless anyone has a better idea, how about?
>>
>> Time: Tuesday 8/1  8:00 pm
>> Location: Mill's End (or other suitable juncture)
>> Topic: conversation, random perl talk
>>
>> Although I've always been curious as to how Scott lives...
>>
>> -- Mike
>>
>> On Jul 31, 2006, at 2:41 PM, Scott Walters wrote:
>>
>>> I'm inclined to declare an emergency meeting at the first
> Dennys-scale
>>> resturant without walking distance of Michael... I don't think I
>>> actually
>>> caught up on this conversation.  My attempt to go back in my spool
>>> a bit
>>> got me distracted for several hours with *other* things that needed
>>> attention (curses!) and now I'm afraid to try again.  Or if Michael
>>> has
>>> a car and wants to take no risk of having a boring evening alone, I
>>> can declare the meeting to be at da house.
>>>
>>> I should also note that Michael's last talk about technology and
>>> automation and how they were processing abstracts with Perl at
>>> Highwire Press was intriguing went over quite well.  But that was
>>> right after Slashdot ran a story about how Google was VICIOUSLY
>>> ATTACKING academic publishing houses like Highwire, which Michael
>>> found laughable.
>>>
>>> Anyway.  Thoughts?  Should we just go to Michael's hotel room, or
>>> should Michael just go to da house?  (I can't call it "my house",
>>> because it is of course Heather's).
>>>
>>> -scott
>>>
>>> On  0, Michael Friedman <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu> wrote:
>>>> Only one response? Could more people make Monday?
>>>>
>>>> -- Mike
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 29, 2006, at 9:29 AM, Oyler, Nathan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Provided all goes well today and I get my brakes fixed, I'm in for
>>>>> a sunday get together
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: phoenix-pm-bounces+nathan.oyler=sap.com at pm.org <phoenix-pm-
>>>>> bounces+nathan.oyler=sap.com at pm.org>
>>>>> To: Phoenix.pm <Phoenix-pm at pm.org>
>>>>> Sent: Sat Jul 29 08:57:02 2006
>>>>> Subject: [Phoenix-pm] In town Sun, Mon
>>>>>
>>>>> Fellow Perl Mongers,
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry for the late notice, but I'm actually in town this weekend!
>>>>> Would anyone like to get together for a social meeting Sunday or
>>>>> Monday night?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm staying in downtown Scottsdale, but can drive anywhere on the
>>>>> East Side to downtown Phoenix. Anyone have a suggestion for a
>>>>> convenient place?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd love to see everyone again if possible. If there is interest,
> I
>>>>> could present some of the XML stuff I've been working on
> (high-level
>>>>> design, not Perl specific) or talk about reference linking for
>>>>> journal articles using Perl and a database. I'd also love to hear
>>>>> about ICFP and OSCON and just catch up with y'all.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hope to see everyone soon,
>>>>> -- Mike
>>>>>
>>>>>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> -
>>>>> Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
>>>>> Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
>>>>> FAX:   270-721-8034
>>>>> <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
>>>>>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> -
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Phoenix-pm mailing list
>>>>> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
>>>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
>>>>
>>>>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
>>>> Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
>>>> FAX:   270-721-8034
> <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
>>>>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Phoenix-pm mailing list
>>>> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
>>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
>> Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
>> FAX:   270-721-8034                  <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>

---------------------------------------------------------------------
Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
FAX:   270-721-8034                  <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
---------------------------------------------------------------------



From dwchandler at stilyagin.com  Mon Jul 31 15:35:43 2006
From: dwchandler at stilyagin.com (Darrin Chandler)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:35:43 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] In town Sun, Mon
In-Reply-To: <07FB9FC0-A9F8-4FB1-9F33-BC51E324F090@highwire.stanford.edu>
References: <F2A7A7622D19D741A855C0D50A23283101D6661C@uspale20.pal.sap.corp>
	<07FB9FC0-A9F8-4FB1-9F33-BC51E324F090@highwire.stanford.edu>
Message-ID: <20060731223542.GF30404@jeeves.stilyagin.local>

Tonight? I think I can make that. I've never met you, but I feel like I
know you from all the interesting anecdotes about you that Scott sends
in his weekly newsletter.

On Mon, Jul 31, 2006 at 03:27:56PM -0700, Michael Friedman wrote:
> That's called Steve's Espresso, and it's about 3 blocks from my  
> former house. :-) Quiet, free wi-fi, nice owner.
> 
> http://www.stevesespresso.com/
> 
> That works for me. Anyone/everyone else?
> 
> -- Mike
> 
> On Jul 31, 2006, at 3:23 PM, Oyler, Nathan wrote:
> 
> > How about this.
> >
> > There's a great little coffee shop on Mcclintock and Baseline.  
> > Southeast
> > corner.
> >
> > Not remembering the name, it says coffee in neon. It's off mcclintock
> > and is next to an Indian Resturant.
> >
> > I will be there at 7-7-30. I will be willing to discuss perl,  
> > politics,
> > etc..
> >
> > If you wish to join me, feel free. My cell is 623-202-6976
> >
> > If anyone wants a ride, please let me know. I have a 2 seater  
> > though, so
> > first come, that's it :)
> >
> > I'll just determine to get all my work done flawlessly tonight :)
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Michael Friedman [mailto:friedman at highwire.stanford.edu]
> >> Sent: Monday, Jul 31, 2006 15:18 PM
> >> To: Scott Walters
> >> Cc: Oyler, Nathan; Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> >> Subject: Re: [Phoenix-pm] In town Sun, Mon
> >>
> >> Well, I do have a car, there's no need for using my hotel room. (For
> >> another thing, my wife and toddler are here, one of whom has an 8 pm
> >> bedtime.)
> >>
> >> Also, given the lateness of today, I'm inclined to meet tomorrow
> >> instead. (It turns out I can do Tuesday night too.) Anywhere within a
> >> half-hour of downtown Scottsdale would be fine. Mill's End is great,
> >> since I already know where that is. I just discovered today that my
> >> former favorite cafe, Romancing the Bean, is no longer in North
> >> Scottsdale, they're now in the giant construction zone on Rio Salado
> >> in Tempe... and only open until 5 pm, so that won't work.
> >>
> >> So, unless anyone has a better idea, how about?
> >>
> >> Time: Tuesday 8/1  8:00 pm
> >> Location: Mill's End (or other suitable juncture)
> >> Topic: conversation, random perl talk
> >>
> >> Although I've always been curious as to how Scott lives...
> >>
> >> -- Mike
> >>
> >> On Jul 31, 2006, at 2:41 PM, Scott Walters wrote:
> >>
> >>> I'm inclined to declare an emergency meeting at the first
> > Dennys-scale
> >>> resturant without walking distance of Michael... I don't think I
> >>> actually
> >>> caught up on this conversation.  My attempt to go back in my spool
> >>> a bit
> >>> got me distracted for several hours with *other* things that needed
> >>> attention (curses!) and now I'm afraid to try again.  Or if Michael
> >>> has
> >>> a car and wants to take no risk of having a boring evening alone, I
> >>> can declare the meeting to be at da house.
> >>>
> >>> I should also note that Michael's last talk about technology and
> >>> automation and how they were processing abstracts with Perl at
> >>> Highwire Press was intriguing went over quite well.  But that was
> >>> right after Slashdot ran a story about how Google was VICIOUSLY
> >>> ATTACKING academic publishing houses like Highwire, which Michael
> >>> found laughable.
> >>>
> >>> Anyway.  Thoughts?  Should we just go to Michael's hotel room, or
> >>> should Michael just go to da house?  (I can't call it "my house",
> >>> because it is of course Heather's).
> >>>
> >>> -scott
> >>>
> >>> On  0, Michael Friedman <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu> wrote:
> >>>> Only one response? Could more people make Monday?
> >>>>
> >>>> -- Mike
> >>>>
> >>>> On Jul 29, 2006, at 9:29 AM, Oyler, Nathan wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Provided all goes well today and I get my brakes fixed, I'm in for
> >>>>> a sunday get together
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: phoenix-pm-bounces+nathan.oyler=sap.com at pm.org <phoenix-pm-
> >>>>> bounces+nathan.oyler=sap.com at pm.org>
> >>>>> To: Phoenix.pm <Phoenix-pm at pm.org>
> >>>>> Sent: Sat Jul 29 08:57:02 2006
> >>>>> Subject: [Phoenix-pm] In town Sun, Mon
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Fellow Perl Mongers,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sorry for the late notice, but I'm actually in town this weekend!
> >>>>> Would anyone like to get together for a social meeting Sunday or
> >>>>> Monday night?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'm staying in downtown Scottsdale, but can drive anywhere on the
> >>>>> East Side to downtown Phoenix. Anyone have a suggestion for a
> >>>>> convenient place?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'd love to see everyone again if possible. If there is interest,
> > I
> >>>>> could present some of the XML stuff I've been working on
> > (high-level
> >>>>> design, not Perl specific) or talk about reference linking for
> >>>>> journal articles using Perl and a database. I'd also love to hear
> >>>>> about ICFP and OSCON and just catch up with y'all.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hope to see everyone soon,
> >>>>> -- Mike
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>> -
> >>>>> Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
> >>>>> Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
> >>>>> FAX:   270-721-8034
> >>>>> <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
> >>>>>
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>> -
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>> Phoenix-pm mailing list
> >>>>> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> >>>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
> >>>>
> >>>>
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>> Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
> >>>> Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
> >>>> FAX:   270-721-8034
> > <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
> >>>>
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> Phoenix-pm mailing list
> >>>> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> >>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
> >>
> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
> >> Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
> >> FAX:   270-721-8034                  <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
> Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
> FAX:   270-721-8034                  <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Phoenix-pm mailing list
> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm

-- 
Darrin Chandler            |  Phoenix BSD Users Group
dwchandler at stilyagin.com   |  http://bsd.phoenix.az.us/
http://www.stilyagin.com/  |

From scott at illogics.org  Mon Jul 31 15:55:52 2006
From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 22:55:52 +0000
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] In town Sun, Mon
In-Reply-To: <C517636E-263E-4FCA-A9A4-EE7615CFCB42@highwire.stanford.edu>
References: <F2A7A7622D19D741A855C0D50A232831E3E816@uspale20.pal.sap.corp>
	<3A1641C1-E9EF-4B46-95A0-4B56CA8561DB@highwire.stanford.edu>
	<20060731214140.GU29588@illogics.org>
	<C517636E-263E-4FCA-A9A4-EE7615CFCB42@highwire.stanford.edu>
Message-ID: <20060731225552.GZ29588@illogics.org>

Yikes... my Tuesday is rather decisively taken =(  And it *wasn't* next
week like I thought maybe for a bit there.  D'oh!

Well, how far are you from Shea?  If you aren't far from here 
(16231 E Balsam Dr, Fountain Hills, AZ 85268) I'll encourage you to pop
by and hang out.

-scott

On  0, Michael Friedman <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu> wrote:
> Well, I do have a car, there's no need for using my hotel room. (For  
> another thing, my wife and toddler are here, one of whom has an 8 pm  
> bedtime.)
> 
> Also, given the lateness of today, I'm inclined to meet tomorrow  
> instead. (It turns out I can do Tuesday night too.) Anywhere within a  
> half-hour of downtown Scottsdale would be fine. Mill's End is great,  
> since I already know where that is. I just discovered today that my  
> former favorite cafe, Romancing the Bean, is no longer in North  
> Scottsdale, they're now in the giant construction zone on Rio Salado  
> in Tempe... and only open until 5 pm, so that won't work.
> 
> So, unless anyone has a better idea, how about?
> 
> Time: Tuesday 8/1  8:00 pm
> Location: Mill's End (or other suitable juncture)
> Topic: conversation, random perl talk
> 
> Although I've always been curious as to how Scott lives...
> 
> -- Mike
> 
> On Jul 31, 2006, at 2:41 PM, Scott Walters wrote:
> 
> >I'm inclined to declare an emergency meeting at the first Dennys-scale
> >resturant without walking distance of Michael... I don't think I  
> >actually
> >caught up on this conversation.  My attempt to go back in my spool  
> >a bit
> >got me distracted for several hours with *other* things that needed
> >attention (curses!) and now I'm afraid to try again.  Or if Michael  
> >has
> >a car and wants to take no risk of having a boring evening alone, I
> >can declare the meeting to be at da house.
> >
> >I should also note that Michael's last talk about technology and
> >automation and how they were processing abstracts with Perl at
> >Highwire Press was intriguing went over quite well.  But that was
> >right after Slashdot ran a story about how Google was VICIOUSLY
> >ATTACKING academic publishing houses like Highwire, which Michael
> >found laughable.
> >
> >Anyway.  Thoughts?  Should we just go to Michael's hotel room, or
> >should Michael just go to da house?  (I can't call it "my house",
> >because it is of course Heather's).
> >
> >-scott
> >
> >On  0, Michael Friedman <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu> wrote:
> >>Only one response? Could more people make Monday?
> >>
> >>-- Mike
> >>
> >>On Jul 29, 2006, at 9:29 AM, Oyler, Nathan wrote:
> >>
> >>>Provided all goes well today and I get my brakes fixed, I'm in for
> >>>a sunday get together
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>From: phoenix-pm-bounces+nathan.oyler=sap.com at pm.org <phoenix-pm-
> >>>bounces+nathan.oyler=sap.com at pm.org>
> >>>To: Phoenix.pm <Phoenix-pm at pm.org>
> >>>Sent: Sat Jul 29 08:57:02 2006
> >>>Subject: [Phoenix-pm] In town Sun, Mon
> >>>
> >>>Fellow Perl Mongers,
> >>>
> >>>Sorry for the late notice, but I'm actually in town this weekend!
> >>>Would anyone like to get together for a social meeting Sunday or
> >>>Monday night?
> >>>
> >>>I'm staying in downtown Scottsdale, but can drive anywhere on the
> >>>East Side to downtown Phoenix. Anyone have a suggestion for a
> >>>convenient place?
> >>>
> >>>I'd love to see everyone again if possible. If there is interest, I
> >>>could present some of the XML stuff I've been working on (high-level
> >>>design, not Perl specific) or talk about reference linking for
> >>>journal articles using Perl and a database. I'd also love to hear
> >>>about ICFP and OSCON and just catch up with y'all.
> >>>
> >>>Hope to see everyone soon,
> >>>-- Mike
> >>>
> >>>-------------------------------------------------------------------- 
> >>>-
> >>>Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
> >>>Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
> >>>FAX:   270-721-8034                   
> >>><friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
> >>>-------------------------------------------------------------------- 
> >>>-
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>_______________________________________________
> >>>Phoenix-pm mailing list
> >>>Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> >>>http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
> >>
> >>---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
> >>Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
> >>FAX:   270-721-8034                  <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
> >>---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >>
> >>_______________________________________________
> >>Phoenix-pm mailing list
> >>Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> >>http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
> Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
> FAX:   270-721-8034                  <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> 

From friedman at highwire.stanford.edu  Mon Jul 31 15:46:50 2006
From: friedman at highwire.stanford.edu (Michael Friedman)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:46:50 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] In town Sun, Mon
In-Reply-To: <20060731225552.GZ29588@illogics.org>
References: <F2A7A7622D19D741A855C0D50A232831E3E816@uspale20.pal.sap.corp>
	<3A1641C1-E9EF-4B46-95A0-4B56CA8561DB@highwire.stanford.edu>
	<20060731214140.GU29588@illogics.org>
	<C517636E-263E-4FCA-A9A4-EE7615CFCB42@highwire.stanford.edu>
	<20060731225552.GZ29588@illogics.org>
Message-ID: <0F04709F-9587-4968-BDD4-996F788CEE69@highwire.stanford.edu>

Time to catch up, Scott. :-)
Current plan is Steve's Espresso tonight @ 7 pm.

Can you make that?
-- Mike

On Jul 31, 2006, at 3:55 PM, Scott Walters wrote:

> Yikes... my Tuesday is rather decisively taken =(  And it *wasn't*  
> next
> week like I thought maybe for a bit there.  D'oh!
>
> Well, how far are you from Shea?  If you aren't far from here
> (16231 E Balsam Dr, Fountain Hills, AZ 85268) I'll encourage you to  
> pop
> by and hang out.
>
> -scott
>
> On  0, Michael Friedman <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu> wrote:
>> Well, I do have a car, there's no need for using my hotel room. (For
>> another thing, my wife and toddler are here, one of whom has an 8 pm
>> bedtime.)
>>
>> Also, given the lateness of today, I'm inclined to meet tomorrow
>> instead. (It turns out I can do Tuesday night too.) Anywhere within a
>> half-hour of downtown Scottsdale would be fine. Mill's End is great,
>> since I already know where that is. I just discovered today that my
>> former favorite cafe, Romancing the Bean, is no longer in North
>> Scottsdale, they're now in the giant construction zone on Rio Salado
>> in Tempe... and only open until 5 pm, so that won't work.
>>
>> So, unless anyone has a better idea, how about?
>>
>> Time: Tuesday 8/1  8:00 pm
>> Location: Mill's End (or other suitable juncture)
>> Topic: conversation, random perl talk
>>
>> Although I've always been curious as to how Scott lives...
>>
>> -- Mike
>>
>> On Jul 31, 2006, at 2:41 PM, Scott Walters wrote:
>>
>>> I'm inclined to declare an emergency meeting at the first Dennys- 
>>> scale
>>> resturant without walking distance of Michael... I don't think I
>>> actually
>>> caught up on this conversation.  My attempt to go back in my spool
>>> a bit
>>> got me distracted for several hours with *other* things that needed
>>> attention (curses!) and now I'm afraid to try again.  Or if Michael
>>> has
>>> a car and wants to take no risk of having a boring evening alone, I
>>> can declare the meeting to be at da house.
>>>
>>> I should also note that Michael's last talk about technology and
>>> automation and how they were processing abstracts with Perl at
>>> Highwire Press was intriguing went over quite well.  But that was
>>> right after Slashdot ran a story about how Google was VICIOUSLY
>>> ATTACKING academic publishing houses like Highwire, which Michael
>>> found laughable.
>>>
>>> Anyway.  Thoughts?  Should we just go to Michael's hotel room, or
>>> should Michael just go to da house?  (I can't call it "my house",
>>> because it is of course Heather's).
>>>
>>> -scott
>>>
>>> On  0, Michael Friedman <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu> wrote:
>>>> Only one response? Could more people make Monday?
>>>>
>>>> -- Mike
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 29, 2006, at 9:29 AM, Oyler, Nathan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Provided all goes well today and I get my brakes fixed, I'm in for
>>>>> a sunday get together
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: phoenix-pm-bounces+nathan.oyler=sap.com at pm.org <phoenix-pm-
>>>>> bounces+nathan.oyler=sap.com at pm.org>
>>>>> To: Phoenix.pm <Phoenix-pm at pm.org>
>>>>> Sent: Sat Jul 29 08:57:02 2006
>>>>> Subject: [Phoenix-pm] In town Sun, Mon
>>>>>
>>>>> Fellow Perl Mongers,
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry for the late notice, but I'm actually in town this weekend!
>>>>> Would anyone like to get together for a social meeting Sunday or
>>>>> Monday night?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm staying in downtown Scottsdale, but can drive anywhere on the
>>>>> East Side to downtown Phoenix. Anyone have a suggestion for a
>>>>> convenient place?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd love to see everyone again if possible. If there is  
>>>>> interest, I
>>>>> could present some of the XML stuff I've been working on (high- 
>>>>> level
>>>>> design, not Perl specific) or talk about reference linking for
>>>>> journal articles using Perl and a database. I'd also love to hear
>>>>> about ICFP and OSCON and just catch up with y'all.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hope to see everyone soon,
>>>>> -- Mike
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------ 
>>>>> --
>>>>> -
>>>>> Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
>>>>> Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
>>>>> FAX:   270-721-8034
>>>>> <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------ 
>>>>> --
>>>>> -
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Phoenix-pm mailing list
>>>>> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
>>>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>>>> --
>>>> Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
>>>> Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
>>>> FAX:   270-721-8034                   
>>>> <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Phoenix-pm mailing list
>>>> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
>>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
>> Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
>> FAX:   270-721-8034                  <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>

---------------------------------------------------------------------
Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
FAX:   270-721-8034                  <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
---------------------------------------------------------------------



From scott at illogics.org  Mon Jul 31 15:59:02 2006
From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 22:59:02 +0000
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] In town Sun, Mon
In-Reply-To: <0F04709F-9587-4968-BDD4-996F788CEE69@highwire.stanford.edu>
References: <F2A7A7622D19D741A855C0D50A232831E3E816@uspale20.pal.sap.corp>
	<3A1641C1-E9EF-4B46-95A0-4B56CA8561DB@highwire.stanford.edu>
	<20060731214140.GU29588@illogics.org>
	<C517636E-263E-4FCA-A9A4-EE7615CFCB42@highwire.stanford.edu>
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	<0F04709F-9587-4968-BDD4-996F788CEE69@highwire.stanford.edu>
Message-ID: <20060731225901.GA29588@illogics.org>

Gah, can't catch up... every time I finish sending an email, there are 10
more waiting for me to reply to.  I exist in a constant state of lag.

Yeah, I'll see what I can do... hope to see ya there... tonight... at Steve's
Espresso...

Cheers,
-scott

On  0, Michael Friedman <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu> wrote:
> Time to catch up, Scott. :-)
> Current plan is Steve's Espresso tonight @ 7 pm.
> 
> Can you make that?
> -- Mike
> 
> On Jul 31, 2006, at 3:55 PM, Scott Walters wrote:
> 
> > Yikes... my Tuesday is rather decisively taken =(  And it *wasn't*  
> > next
> > week like I thought maybe for a bit there.  D'oh!
> >
> > Well, how far are you from Shea?  If you aren't far from here
> > (16231 E Balsam Dr, Fountain Hills, AZ 85268) I'll encourage you to  
> > pop
> > by and hang out.
> >
> > -scott
> >
> > On  0, Michael Friedman <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu> wrote:
> >> Well, I do have a car, there's no need for using my hotel room. (For
> >> another thing, my wife and toddler are here, one of whom has an 8 pm
> >> bedtime.)
> >>
> >> Also, given the lateness of today, I'm inclined to meet tomorrow
> >> instead. (It turns out I can do Tuesday night too.) Anywhere within a
> >> half-hour of downtown Scottsdale would be fine. Mill's End is great,
> >> since I already know where that is. I just discovered today that my
> >> former favorite cafe, Romancing the Bean, is no longer in North
> >> Scottsdale, they're now in the giant construction zone on Rio Salado
> >> in Tempe... and only open until 5 pm, so that won't work.
> >>
> >> So, unless anyone has a better idea, how about?
> >>
> >> Time: Tuesday 8/1  8:00 pm
> >> Location: Mill's End (or other suitable juncture)
> >> Topic: conversation, random perl talk
> >>
> >> Although I've always been curious as to how Scott lives...
> >>
> >> -- Mike
> >>
> >> On Jul 31, 2006, at 2:41 PM, Scott Walters wrote:
> >>
> >>> I'm inclined to declare an emergency meeting at the first Dennys- 
> >>> scale
> >>> resturant without walking distance of Michael... I don't think I
> >>> actually
> >>> caught up on this conversation.  My attempt to go back in my spool
> >>> a bit
> >>> got me distracted for several hours with *other* things that needed
> >>> attention (curses!) and now I'm afraid to try again.  Or if Michael
> >>> has
> >>> a car and wants to take no risk of having a boring evening alone, I
> >>> can declare the meeting to be at da house.
> >>>
> >>> I should also note that Michael's last talk about technology and
> >>> automation and how they were processing abstracts with Perl at
> >>> Highwire Press was intriguing went over quite well.  But that was
> >>> right after Slashdot ran a story about how Google was VICIOUSLY
> >>> ATTACKING academic publishing houses like Highwire, which Michael
> >>> found laughable.
> >>>
> >>> Anyway.  Thoughts?  Should we just go to Michael's hotel room, or
> >>> should Michael just go to da house?  (I can't call it "my house",
> >>> because it is of course Heather's).
> >>>
> >>> -scott
> >>>
> >>> On  0, Michael Friedman <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu> wrote:
> >>>> Only one response? Could more people make Monday?
> >>>>
> >>>> -- Mike
> >>>>
> >>>> On Jul 29, 2006, at 9:29 AM, Oyler, Nathan wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Provided all goes well today and I get my brakes fixed, I'm in for
> >>>>> a sunday get together
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: phoenix-pm-bounces+nathan.oyler=sap.com at pm.org <phoenix-pm-
> >>>>> bounces+nathan.oyler=sap.com at pm.org>
> >>>>> To: Phoenix.pm <Phoenix-pm at pm.org>
> >>>>> Sent: Sat Jul 29 08:57:02 2006
> >>>>> Subject: [Phoenix-pm] In town Sun, Mon
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Fellow Perl Mongers,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sorry for the late notice, but I'm actually in town this weekend!
> >>>>> Would anyone like to get together for a social meeting Sunday or
> >>>>> Monday night?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'm staying in downtown Scottsdale, but can drive anywhere on the
> >>>>> East Side to downtown Phoenix. Anyone have a suggestion for a
> >>>>> convenient place?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'd love to see everyone again if possible. If there is  
> >>>>> interest, I
> >>>>> could present some of the XML stuff I've been working on (high- 
> >>>>> level
> >>>>> design, not Perl specific) or talk about reference linking for
> >>>>> journal articles using Perl and a database. I'd also love to hear
> >>>>> about ICFP and OSCON and just catch up with y'all.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hope to see everyone soon,
> >>>>> -- Mike
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------ 
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> -
> >>>>> Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
> >>>>> Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
> >>>>> FAX:   270-721-8034
> >>>>> <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------ 
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> -
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>> Phoenix-pm mailing list
> >>>>> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> >>>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
> >>>>
> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- 
> >>>> --
> >>>> Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
> >>>> Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
> >>>> FAX:   270-721-8034                   
> >>>> <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- 
> >>>> --
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> Phoenix-pm mailing list
> >>>> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> >>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
> >>
> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
> >> Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
> >> FAX:   270-721-8034                  <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
> Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
> FAX:   270-721-8034                  <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Phoenix-pm mailing list
> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm

From nathan.oyler at sap.com  Mon Jul 31 15:51:54 2006
From: nathan.oyler at sap.com (Oyler, Nathan)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:51:54 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] In town Sun, Mon
Message-ID: <F2A7A7622D19D741A855C0D50A232831E3E81A@uspale20.pal.sap.corp>

Hey, you're the one that complains we aren't active enough



-----Original Message-----
From: phoenix-pm-bounces+nathan.oyler=sap.com at pm.org <phoenix-pm-bounces+nathan.oyler=sap.com at pm.org>
To: Michael Friedman <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
CC: Phoenix-pm at pm.org <Phoenix-pm at pm.org>
Sent: Mon Jul 31 15:59:02 2006
Subject: Re: [Phoenix-pm] In town Sun, Mon

Gah, can't catch up... every time I finish sending an email, there are 10
more waiting for me to reply to.  I exist in a constant state of lag.

Yeah, I'll see what I can do... hope to see ya there... tonight... at Steve's
Espresso...

Cheers,
-scott

On  0, Michael Friedman <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu> wrote:
> Time to catch up, Scott. :-)
> Current plan is Steve's Espresso tonight @ 7 pm.
> 
> Can you make that?
> -- Mike
> 
> On Jul 31, 2006, at 3:55 PM, Scott Walters wrote:
> 
> > Yikes... my Tuesday is rather decisively taken =(  And it *wasn't*  
> > next
> > week like I thought maybe for a bit there.  D'oh!
> >
> > Well, how far are you from Shea?  If you aren't far from here
> > (16231 E Balsam Dr, Fountain Hills, AZ 85268) I'll encourage you to  
> > pop
> > by and hang out.
> >
> > -scott
> >
> > On  0, Michael Friedman <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu> wrote:
> >> Well, I do have a car, there's no need for using my hotel room. (For
> >> another thing, my wife and toddler are here, one of whom has an 8 pm
> >> bedtime.)
> >>
> >> Also, given the lateness of today, I'm inclined to meet tomorrow
> >> instead. (It turns out I can do Tuesday night too.) Anywhere within a
> >> half-hour of downtown Scottsdale would be fine. Mill's End is great,
> >> since I already know where that is. I just discovered today that my
> >> former favorite cafe, Romancing the Bean, is no longer in North
> >> Scottsdale, they're now in the giant construction zone on Rio Salado
> >> in Tempe... and only open until 5 pm, so that won't work.
> >>
> >> So, unless anyone has a better idea, how about?
> >>
> >> Time: Tuesday 8/1  8:00 pm
> >> Location: Mill's End (or other suitable juncture)
> >> Topic: conversation, random perl talk
> >>
> >> Although I've always been curious as to how Scott lives...
> >>
> >> -- Mike
> >>
> >> On Jul 31, 2006, at 2:41 PM, Scott Walters wrote:
> >>
> >>> I'm inclined to declare an emergency meeting at the first Dennys- 
> >>> scale
> >>> resturant without walking distance of Michael... I don't think I
> >>> actually
> >>> caught up on this conversation.  My attempt to go back in my spool
> >>> a bit
> >>> got me distracted for several hours with *other* things that needed
> >>> attention (curses!) and now I'm afraid to try again.  Or if Michael
> >>> has
> >>> a car and wants to take no risk of having a boring evening alone, I
> >>> can declare the meeting to be at da house.
> >>>
> >>> I should also note that Michael's last talk about technology and
> >>> automation and how they were processing abstracts with Perl at
> >>> Highwire Press was intriguing went over quite well.  But that was
> >>> right after Slashdot ran a story about how Google was VICIOUSLY
> >>> ATTACKING academic publishing houses like Highwire, which Michael
> >>> found laughable.
> >>>
> >>> Anyway.  Thoughts?  Should we just go to Michael's hotel room, or
> >>> should Michael just go to da house?  (I can't call it "my house",
> >>> because it is of course Heather's).
> >>>
> >>> -scott
> >>>
> >>> On  0, Michael Friedman <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu> wrote:
> >>>> Only one response? Could more people make Monday?
> >>>>
> >>>> -- Mike
> >>>>
> >>>> On Jul 29, 2006, at 9:29 AM, Oyler, Nathan wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Provided all goes well today and I get my brakes fixed, I'm in for
> >>>>> a sunday get together
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: phoenix-pm-bounces+nathan.oyler=sap.com at pm.org <phoenix-pm-
> >>>>> bounces+nathan.oyler=sap.com at pm.org>
> >>>>> To: Phoenix.pm <Phoenix-pm at pm.org>
> >>>>> Sent: Sat Jul 29 08:57:02 2006
> >>>>> Subject: [Phoenix-pm] In town Sun, Mon
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Fellow Perl Mongers,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sorry for the late notice, but I'm actually in town this weekend!
> >>>>> Would anyone like to get together for a social meeting Sunday or
> >>>>> Monday night?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'm staying in downtown Scottsdale, but can drive anywhere on the
> >>>>> East Side to downtown Phoenix. Anyone have a suggestion for a
> >>>>> convenient place?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'd love to see everyone again if possible. If there is  
> >>>>> interest, I
> >>>>> could present some of the XML stuff I've been working on (high- 
> >>>>> level
> >>>>> design, not Perl specific) or talk about reference linking for
> >>>>> journal articles using Perl and a database. I'd also love to hear
> >>>>> about ICFP and OSCON and just catch up with y'all.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hope to see everyone soon,
> >>>>> -- Mike
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------ 
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> -
> >>>>> Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
> >>>>> Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
> >>>>> FAX:   270-721-8034
> >>>>> <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------ 
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> -
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>> Phoenix-pm mailing list
> >>>>> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> >>>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
> >>>>
> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- 
> >>>> --
> >>>> Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
> >>>> Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
> >>>> FAX:   270-721-8034                   
> >>>> <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- 
> >>>> --
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> Phoenix-pm mailing list
> >>>> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> >>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
> >>
> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
> >> Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
> >> FAX:   270-721-8034                  <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
> Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
> FAX:   270-721-8034                  <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Phoenix-pm mailing list
> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
_______________________________________________
Phoenix-pm mailing list
Phoenix-pm at pm.org
http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm

From scott at illogics.org  Mon Jul 31 16:10:03 2006
From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 23:10:03 +0000
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] In town Sun, Mon
In-Reply-To: <0F04709F-9587-4968-BDD4-996F788CEE69@highwire.stanford.edu>
References: <F2A7A7622D19D741A855C0D50A232831E3E816@uspale20.pal.sap.corp>
	<3A1641C1-E9EF-4B46-95A0-4B56CA8561DB@highwire.stanford.edu>
	<20060731214140.GU29588@illogics.org>
	<C517636E-263E-4FCA-A9A4-EE7615CFCB42@highwire.stanford.edu>
	<20060731225552.GZ29588@illogics.org>
	<0F04709F-9587-4968-BDD4-996F788CEE69@highwire.stanford.edu>
Message-ID: <20060731231002.GB29588@illogics.org>

http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?latlongtype=internal&addtohistory=&latitude=iMzF09UYgl4%3d&longitude=k0KcIqKvVprKd%2bsvhqYYOw%3d%3d&name=Steve%27s%20Espresso&country=US&address=1801%20E%20Baseline%20Rd&city=Tempe&state=AZ&zipcode=85283&phone=480%2d777%2d5373&spurl=0&&q=steve%27s%20espresso&qc=Coffee%20Shops

That Steve's Espresso?

That's south past the 60.  That's an hour from here.  Where's Michael's hotel?

-scott

On  0, Michael Friedman <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu> wrote:
> Time to catch up, Scott. :-)
> Current plan is Steve's Espresso tonight @ 7 pm.
> 
> Can you make that?
> -- Mike
> 
> On Jul 31, 2006, at 3:55 PM, Scott Walters wrote:
> 
> > Yikes... my Tuesday is rather decisively taken =(  And it *wasn't*  
> > next
> > week like I thought maybe for a bit there.  D'oh!
> >
> > Well, how far are you from Shea?  If you aren't far from here
> > (16231 E Balsam Dr, Fountain Hills, AZ 85268) I'll encourage you to  
> > pop
> > by and hang out.
> >
> > -scott
> >
> > On  0, Michael Friedman <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu> wrote:
> >> Well, I do have a car, there's no need for using my hotel room. (For
> >> another thing, my wife and toddler are here, one of whom has an 8 pm
> >> bedtime.)
> >>
> >> Also, given the lateness of today, I'm inclined to meet tomorrow
> >> instead. (It turns out I can do Tuesday night too.) Anywhere within a
> >> half-hour of downtown Scottsdale would be fine. Mill's End is great,
> >> since I already know where that is. I just discovered today that my
> >> former favorite cafe, Romancing the Bean, is no longer in North
> >> Scottsdale, they're now in the giant construction zone on Rio Salado
> >> in Tempe... and only open until 5 pm, so that won't work.
> >>
> >> So, unless anyone has a better idea, how about?
> >>
> >> Time: Tuesday 8/1  8:00 pm
> >> Location: Mill's End (or other suitable juncture)
> >> Topic: conversation, random perl talk
> >>
> >> Although I've always been curious as to how Scott lives...
> >>
> >> -- Mike
> >>
> >> On Jul 31, 2006, at 2:41 PM, Scott Walters wrote:
> >>
> >>> I'm inclined to declare an emergency meeting at the first Dennys- 
> >>> scale
> >>> resturant without walking distance of Michael... I don't think I
> >>> actually
> >>> caught up on this conversation.  My attempt to go back in my spool
> >>> a bit
> >>> got me distracted for several hours with *other* things that needed
> >>> attention (curses!) and now I'm afraid to try again.  Or if Michael
> >>> has
> >>> a car and wants to take no risk of having a boring evening alone, I
> >>> can declare the meeting to be at da house.
> >>>
> >>> I should also note that Michael's last talk about technology and
> >>> automation and how they were processing abstracts with Perl at
> >>> Highwire Press was intriguing went over quite well.  But that was
> >>> right after Slashdot ran a story about how Google was VICIOUSLY
> >>> ATTACKING academic publishing houses like Highwire, which Michael
> >>> found laughable.
> >>>
> >>> Anyway.  Thoughts?  Should we just go to Michael's hotel room, or
> >>> should Michael just go to da house?  (I can't call it "my house",
> >>> because it is of course Heather's).
> >>>
> >>> -scott
> >>>
> >>> On  0, Michael Friedman <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu> wrote:
> >>>> Only one response? Could more people make Monday?
> >>>>
> >>>> -- Mike
> >>>>
> >>>> On Jul 29, 2006, at 9:29 AM, Oyler, Nathan wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Provided all goes well today and I get my brakes fixed, I'm in for
> >>>>> a sunday get together
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: phoenix-pm-bounces+nathan.oyler=sap.com at pm.org <phoenix-pm-
> >>>>> bounces+nathan.oyler=sap.com at pm.org>
> >>>>> To: Phoenix.pm <Phoenix-pm at pm.org>
> >>>>> Sent: Sat Jul 29 08:57:02 2006
> >>>>> Subject: [Phoenix-pm] In town Sun, Mon
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Fellow Perl Mongers,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sorry for the late notice, but I'm actually in town this weekend!
> >>>>> Would anyone like to get together for a social meeting Sunday or
> >>>>> Monday night?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'm staying in downtown Scottsdale, but can drive anywhere on the
> >>>>> East Side to downtown Phoenix. Anyone have a suggestion for a
> >>>>> convenient place?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'd love to see everyone again if possible. If there is  
> >>>>> interest, I
> >>>>> could present some of the XML stuff I've been working on (high- 
> >>>>> level
> >>>>> design, not Perl specific) or talk about reference linking for
> >>>>> journal articles using Perl and a database. I'd also love to hear
> >>>>> about ICFP and OSCON and just catch up with y'all.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hope to see everyone soon,
> >>>>> -- Mike
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------ 
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> -
> >>>>> Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
> >>>>> Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
> >>>>> FAX:   270-721-8034
> >>>>> <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------ 
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> -
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>> Phoenix-pm mailing list
> >>>>> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> >>>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
> >>>>
> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- 
> >>>> --
> >>>> Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
> >>>> Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
> >>>> FAX:   270-721-8034                   
> >>>> <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- 
> >>>> --
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> Phoenix-pm mailing list
> >>>> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> >>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
> >>
> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
> >> Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
> >> FAX:   270-721-8034                  <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
> Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
> FAX:   270-721-8034                  <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Phoenix-pm mailing list
> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm

From friedman at highwire.stanford.edu  Mon Jul 31 16:04:20 2006
From: friedman at highwire.stanford.edu (Michael Friedman)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 16:04:20 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] In town Sun, Mon
In-Reply-To: <20060731231002.GB29588@illogics.org>
References: <F2A7A7622D19D741A855C0D50A232831E3E816@uspale20.pal.sap.corp>
	<3A1641C1-E9EF-4B46-95A0-4B56CA8561DB@highwire.stanford.edu>
	<20060731214140.GU29588@illogics.org>
	<C517636E-263E-4FCA-A9A4-EE7615CFCB42@highwire.stanford.edu>
	<20060731225552.GZ29588@illogics.org>
	<0F04709F-9587-4968-BDD4-996F788CEE69@highwire.stanford.edu>
	<20060731231002.GB29588@illogics.org>
Message-ID: <E24884F1-C5EA-4D11-B89A-81CB30D7476A@highwire.stanford.edu>

Yep, that one. It's 17 minutes from my hotel. I'm open to other  
suggestions.

-- Mike

On Jul 31, 2006, at 4:10 PM, Scott Walters wrote:

> http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp? 
> latlongtype=internal&addtohistory=&latitude=iMzF09UYgl4% 
> 3d&longitude=k0KcIqKvVprKd%2bsvhqYYOw%3d%3d&name=Steve%27s% 
> 20Espresso&country=US&address=1801%20E%20Baseline% 
> 20Rd&city=Tempe&state=AZ&zipcode=85283&phone=480%2d777% 
> 2d5373&spurl=0&&q=steve%27s%20espresso&qc=Coffee%20Shops
>
> That Steve's Espresso?
>
> That's south past the 60.  That's an hour from here.  Where's  
> Michael's hotel?
>
> -scott
>
> On  0, Michael Friedman <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu> wrote:
>> Time to catch up, Scott. :-)
>> Current plan is Steve's Espresso tonight @ 7 pm.
>>
>> Can you make that?
>> -- Mike
>>
>> On Jul 31, 2006, at 3:55 PM, Scott Walters wrote:
>>
>>> Yikes... my Tuesday is rather decisively taken =(  And it *wasn't*
>>> next
>>> week like I thought maybe for a bit there.  D'oh!
>>>
>>> Well, how far are you from Shea?  If you aren't far from here
>>> (16231 E Balsam Dr, Fountain Hills, AZ 85268) I'll encourage you to
>>> pop
>>> by and hang out.
>>>
>>> -scott
>>>
>>> On  0, Michael Friedman <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu> wrote:
>>>> Well, I do have a car, there's no need for using my hotel room.  
>>>> (For
>>>> another thing, my wife and toddler are here, one of whom has an  
>>>> 8 pm
>>>> bedtime.)
>>>>
>>>> Also, given the lateness of today, I'm inclined to meet tomorrow
>>>> instead. (It turns out I can do Tuesday night too.) Anywhere  
>>>> within a
>>>> half-hour of downtown Scottsdale would be fine. Mill's End is  
>>>> great,
>>>> since I already know where that is. I just discovered today that my
>>>> former favorite cafe, Romancing the Bean, is no longer in North
>>>> Scottsdale, they're now in the giant construction zone on Rio  
>>>> Salado
>>>> in Tempe... and only open until 5 pm, so that won't work.
>>>>
>>>> So, unless anyone has a better idea, how about?
>>>>
>>>> Time: Tuesday 8/1  8:00 pm
>>>> Location: Mill's End (or other suitable juncture)
>>>> Topic: conversation, random perl talk
>>>>
>>>> Although I've always been curious as to how Scott lives...
>>>>
>>>> -- Mike
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 31, 2006, at 2:41 PM, Scott Walters wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm inclined to declare an emergency meeting at the first Dennys-
>>>>> scale
>>>>> resturant without walking distance of Michael... I don't think I
>>>>> actually
>>>>> caught up on this conversation.  My attempt to go back in my spool
>>>>> a bit
>>>>> got me distracted for several hours with *other* things that  
>>>>> needed
>>>>> attention (curses!) and now I'm afraid to try again.  Or if  
>>>>> Michael
>>>>> has
>>>>> a car and wants to take no risk of having a boring evening  
>>>>> alone, I
>>>>> can declare the meeting to be at da house.
>>>>>
>>>>> I should also note that Michael's last talk about technology and
>>>>> automation and how they were processing abstracts with Perl at
>>>>> Highwire Press was intriguing went over quite well.  But that was
>>>>> right after Slashdot ran a story about how Google was VICIOUSLY
>>>>> ATTACKING academic publishing houses like Highwire, which Michael
>>>>> found laughable.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway.  Thoughts?  Should we just go to Michael's hotel room, or
>>>>> should Michael just go to da house?  (I can't call it "my house",
>>>>> because it is of course Heather's).
>>>>>
>>>>> -scott
>>>>>
>>>>> On  0, Michael Friedman <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu> wrote:
>>>>>> Only one response? Could more people make Monday?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- Mike
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 29, 2006, at 9:29 AM, Oyler, Nathan wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Provided all goes well today and I get my brakes fixed, I'm  
>>>>>>> in for
>>>>>>> a sunday get together
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: phoenix-pm-bounces+nathan.oyler=sap.com at pm.org <phoenix- 
>>>>>>> pm-
>>>>>>> bounces+nathan.oyler=sap.com at pm.org>
>>>>>>> To: Phoenix.pm <Phoenix-pm at pm.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Sat Jul 29 08:57:02 2006
>>>>>>> Subject: [Phoenix-pm] In town Sun, Mon
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Fellow Perl Mongers,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sorry for the late notice, but I'm actually in town this  
>>>>>>> weekend!
>>>>>>> Would anyone like to get together for a social meeting Sunday or
>>>>>>> Monday night?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm staying in downtown Scottsdale, but can drive anywhere on  
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> East Side to downtown Phoenix. Anyone have a suggestion for a
>>>>>>> convenient place?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd love to see everyone again if possible. If there is
>>>>>>> interest, I
>>>>>>> could present some of the XML stuff I've been working on (high-
>>>>>>> level
>>>>>>> design, not Perl specific) or talk about reference linking for
>>>>>>> journal articles using Perl and a database. I'd also love to  
>>>>>>> hear
>>>>>>> about ICFP and OSCON and just catch up with y'all.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hope to see everyone soon,
>>>>>>> -- Mike
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------- 
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>> Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
>>>>>>> Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
>>>>>>> FAX:   270-721-8034
>>>>>>> <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------- 
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> Phoenix-pm mailing list
>>>>>>> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
>>>>>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------- 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
>>>>>> Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
>>>>>> FAX:   270-721-8034
>>>>>> <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------- 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Phoenix-pm mailing list
>>>>>> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
>>>>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>>>> --
>>>> Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
>>>> Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
>>>> FAX:   270-721-8034                   
>>>> <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>>>> --
>>>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
>> Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
>> FAX:   270-721-8034                  <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Phoenix-pm mailing list
>> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm

---------------------------------------------------------------------
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Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
FAX:   270-721-8034                  <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
---------------------------------------------------------------------



From friedman at highwire.stanford.edu  Mon Jul 31 16:10:27 2006
From: friedman at highwire.stanford.edu (Michael Friedman)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 16:10:27 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] In town Sun, Mon
In-Reply-To: <E24884F1-C5EA-4D11-B89A-81CB30D7476A@highwire.stanford.edu>
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	<C517636E-263E-4FCA-A9A4-EE7615CFCB42@highwire.stanford.edu>
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	<0F04709F-9587-4968-BDD4-996F788CEE69@highwire.stanford.edu>
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	<E24884F1-C5EA-4D11-B89A-81CB30D7476A@highwire.stanford.edu>
Message-ID: <D5FA8026-0008-4E88-A6B9-199E039B9A20@highwire.stanford.edu>

If something in downtown Scottsdale works for you, maybe we could do  
dinner at PF Changs as Scottsdale Fashion Square? Still 7 pm works  
for me.

I don't know cafe's here. There's a Coffee Bean & Tea Leaf at  
Scottsdale & Camelback, but they close at 8 pm. Anyone know another  
option?

-- Mike

On Jul 31, 2006, at 4:04 PM, Michael Friedman wrote:

> Yep, that one. It's 17 minutes from my hotel. I'm open to other
> suggestions.
>
> -- Mike
>
> On Jul 31, 2006, at 4:10 PM, Scott Walters wrote:
>
>> http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?
>> latlongtype=internal&addtohistory=&latitude=iMzF09UYgl4%
>> 3d&longitude=k0KcIqKvVprKd%2bsvhqYYOw%3d%3d&name=Steve%27s%
>> 20Espresso&country=US&address=1801%20E%20Baseline%
>> 20Rd&city=Tempe&state=AZ&zipcode=85283&phone=480%2d777%
>> 2d5373&spurl=0&&q=steve%27s%20espresso&qc=Coffee%20Shops
>>
>> That Steve's Espresso?
>>
>> That's south past the 60.  That's an hour from here.  Where's
>> Michael's hotel?
>>
>> -scott
>>
>> On  0, Michael Friedman <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu> wrote:
>>> Time to catch up, Scott. :-)
>>> Current plan is Steve's Espresso tonight @ 7 pm.
>>>
>>> Can you make that?
>>> -- Mike
>>>
>>> On Jul 31, 2006, at 3:55 PM, Scott Walters wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yikes... my Tuesday is rather decisively taken =(  And it *wasn't*
>>>> next
>>>> week like I thought maybe for a bit there.  D'oh!
>>>>
>>>> Well, how far are you from Shea?  If you aren't far from here
>>>> (16231 E Balsam Dr, Fountain Hills, AZ 85268) I'll encourage you to
>>>> pop
>>>> by and hang out.
>>>>
>>>> -scott
>>>>
>>>> On  0, Michael Friedman <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu> wrote:
>>>>> Well, I do have a car, there's no need for using my hotel room.
>>>>> (For
>>>>> another thing, my wife and toddler are here, one of whom has an
>>>>> 8 pm
>>>>> bedtime.)
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, given the lateness of today, I'm inclined to meet tomorrow
>>>>> instead. (It turns out I can do Tuesday night too.) Anywhere
>>>>> within a
>>>>> half-hour of downtown Scottsdale would be fine. Mill's End is
>>>>> great,
>>>>> since I already know where that is. I just discovered today  
>>>>> that my
>>>>> former favorite cafe, Romancing the Bean, is no longer in North
>>>>> Scottsdale, they're now in the giant construction zone on Rio
>>>>> Salado
>>>>> in Tempe... and only open until 5 pm, so that won't work.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, unless anyone has a better idea, how about?
>>>>>
>>>>> Time: Tuesday 8/1  8:00 pm
>>>>> Location: Mill's End (or other suitable juncture)
>>>>> Topic: conversation, random perl talk
>>>>>
>>>>> Although I've always been curious as to how Scott lives...
>>>>>
>>>>> -- Mike
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 31, 2006, at 2:41 PM, Scott Walters wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm inclined to declare an emergency meeting at the first Dennys-
>>>>>> scale
>>>>>> resturant without walking distance of Michael... I don't think I
>>>>>> actually
>>>>>> caught up on this conversation.  My attempt to go back in my  
>>>>>> spool
>>>>>> a bit
>>>>>> got me distracted for several hours with *other* things that
>>>>>> needed
>>>>>> attention (curses!) and now I'm afraid to try again.  Or if
>>>>>> Michael
>>>>>> has
>>>>>> a car and wants to take no risk of having a boring evening
>>>>>> alone, I
>>>>>> can declare the meeting to be at da house.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I should also note that Michael's last talk about technology and
>>>>>> automation and how they were processing abstracts with Perl at
>>>>>> Highwire Press was intriguing went over quite well.  But that was
>>>>>> right after Slashdot ran a story about how Google was VICIOUSLY
>>>>>> ATTACKING academic publishing houses like Highwire, which Michael
>>>>>> found laughable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway.  Thoughts?  Should we just go to Michael's hotel room, or
>>>>>> should Michael just go to da house?  (I can't call it "my house",
>>>>>> because it is of course Heather's).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -scott
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On  0, Michael Friedman <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>> Only one response? Could more people make Monday?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -- Mike
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jul 29, 2006, at 9:29 AM, Oyler, Nathan wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Provided all goes well today and I get my brakes fixed, I'm
>>>>>>>> in for
>>>>>>>> a sunday get together
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: phoenix-pm-bounces+nathan.oyler=sap.com at pm.org <phoenix-
>>>>>>>> pm-
>>>>>>>> bounces+nathan.oyler=sap.com at pm.org>
>>>>>>>> To: Phoenix.pm <Phoenix-pm at pm.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Sat Jul 29 08:57:02 2006
>>>>>>>> Subject: [Phoenix-pm] In town Sun, Mon
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Fellow Perl Mongers,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sorry for the late notice, but I'm actually in town this
>>>>>>>> weekend!
>>>>>>>> Would anyone like to get together for a social meeting  
>>>>>>>> Sunday or
>>>>>>>> Monday night?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm staying in downtown Scottsdale, but can drive anywhere on
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> East Side to downtown Phoenix. Anyone have a suggestion for a
>>>>>>>> convenient place?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'd love to see everyone again if possible. If there is
>>>>>>>> interest, I
>>>>>>>> could present some of the XML stuff I've been working on (high-
>>>>>>>> level
>>>>>>>> design, not Perl specific) or talk about reference linking for
>>>>>>>> journal articles using Perl and a database. I'd also love to
>>>>>>>> hear
>>>>>>>> about ICFP and OSCON and just catch up with y'all.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hope to see everyone soon,
>>>>>>>> -- Mike
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------- 
>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>> Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
>>>>>>>> Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
>>>>>>>> FAX:   270-721-8034
>>>>>>>> <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------- 
>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> Phoenix-pm mailing list
>>>>>>>> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
>>>>>>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------- 
>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
>>>>>>> Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
>>>>>>> FAX:   270-721-8034
>>>>>>> <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------- 
>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> Phoenix-pm mailing list
>>>>>>> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
>>>>>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------ 
>>>>> -
>>>>> --
>>>>> Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
>>>>> Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
>>>>> FAX:   270-721-8034
>>>>> <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------ 
>>>>> -
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>
>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>>> -
>>> Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
>>> Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
>>> FAX:   270-721-8034                   
>>> <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>>> -
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Phoenix-pm mailing list
>>> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
> Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
> FAX:   270-721-8034                  <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Phoenix-pm mailing list
> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm

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Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
FAX:   270-721-8034                  <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
---------------------------------------------------------------------



From nathan.oyler at sap.com  Mon Jul 31 17:11:16 2006
From: nathan.oyler at sap.com (Oyler, Nathan)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 17:11:16 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] In town Sun, Mon
Message-ID: <F2A7A7622D19D741A855C0D50A232831E3E81B@uspale20.pal.sap.corp>

If all else fails, I'll be at steve's espresso



-----Original Message-----
From: phoenix-pm-bounces+nathan.oyler=sap.com at pm.org <phoenix-pm-bounces+nathan.oyler=sap.com at pm.org>
To: Michael Friedman <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
CC: Phoenix-pm at pm.org <Phoenix-pm at pm.org>
Sent: Mon Jul 31 16:10:27 2006
Subject: Re: [Phoenix-pm] In town Sun, Mon

If something in downtown Scottsdale works for you, maybe we could do  
dinner at PF Changs as Scottsdale Fashion Square? Still 7 pm works  
for me.

I don't know cafe's here. There's a Coffee Bean & Tea Leaf at  
Scottsdale & Camelback, but they close at 8 pm. Anyone know another  
option?

-- Mike

On Jul 31, 2006, at 4:04 PM, Michael Friedman wrote:

> Yep, that one. It's 17 minutes from my hotel. I'm open to other
> suggestions.
>
> -- Mike
>
> On Jul 31, 2006, at 4:10 PM, Scott Walters wrote:
>
>> http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?
>> latlongtype=internal&addtohistory=&latitude=iMzF09UYgl4%
>> 3d&longitude=k0KcIqKvVprKd%2bsvhqYYOw%3d%3d&name=Steve%27s%
>> 20Espresso&country=US&address=1801%20E%20Baseline%
>> 20Rd&city=Tempe&state=AZ&zipcode=85283&phone=480%2d777%
>> 2d5373&spurl=0&&q=steve%27s%20espresso&qc=Coffee%20Shops
>>
>> That Steve's Espresso?
>>
>> That's south past the 60.  That's an hour from here.  Where's
>> Michael's hotel?
>>
>> -scott
>>
>> On  0, Michael Friedman <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu> wrote:
>>> Time to catch up, Scott. :-)
>>> Current plan is Steve's Espresso tonight @ 7 pm.
>>>
>>> Can you make that?
>>> -- Mike
>>>
>>> On Jul 31, 2006, at 3:55 PM, Scott Walters wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yikes... my Tuesday is rather decisively taken =(  And it *wasn't*
>>>> next
>>>> week like I thought maybe for a bit there.  D'oh!
>>>>
>>>> Well, how far are you from Shea?  If you aren't far from here
>>>> (16231 E Balsam Dr, Fountain Hills, AZ 85268) I'll encourage you to
>>>> pop
>>>> by and hang out.
>>>>
>>>> -scott
>>>>
>>>> On  0, Michael Friedman <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu> wrote:
>>>>> Well, I do have a car, there's no need for using my hotel room.
>>>>> (For
>>>>> another thing, my wife and toddler are here, one of whom has an
>>>>> 8 pm
>>>>> bedtime.)
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, given the lateness of today, I'm inclined to meet tomorrow
>>>>> instead. (It turns out I can do Tuesday night too.) Anywhere
>>>>> within a
>>>>> half-hour of downtown Scottsdale would be fine. Mill's End is
>>>>> great,
>>>>> since I already know where that is. I just discovered today  
>>>>> that my
>>>>> former favorite cafe, Romancing the Bean, is no longer in North
>>>>> Scottsdale, they're now in the giant construction zone on Rio
>>>>> Salado
>>>>> in Tempe... and only open until 5 pm, so that won't work.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, unless anyone has a better idea, how about?
>>>>>
>>>>> Time: Tuesday 8/1  8:00 pm
>>>>> Location: Mill's End (or other suitable juncture)
>>>>> Topic: conversation, random perl talk
>>>>>
>>>>> Although I've always been curious as to how Scott lives...
>>>>>
>>>>> -- Mike
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 31, 2006, at 2:41 PM, Scott Walters wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm inclined to declare an emergency meeting at the first Dennys-
>>>>>> scale
>>>>>> resturant without walking distance of Michael... I don't think I
>>>>>> actually
>>>>>> caught up on this conversation.  My attempt to go back in my  
>>>>>> spool
>>>>>> a bit
>>>>>> got me distracted for several hours with *other* things that
>>>>>> needed
>>>>>> attention (curses!) and now I'm afraid to try again.  Or if
>>>>>> Michael
>>>>>> has
>>>>>> a car and wants to take no risk of having a boring evening
>>>>>> alone, I
>>>>>> can declare the meeting to be at da house.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I should also note that Michael's last talk about technology and
>>>>>> automation and how they were processing abstracts with Perl at
>>>>>> Highwire Press was intriguing went over quite well.  But that was
>>>>>> right after Slashdot ran a story about how Google was VICIOUSLY
>>>>>> ATTACKING academic publishing houses like Highwire, which Michael
>>>>>> found laughable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway.  Thoughts?  Should we just go to Michael's hotel room, or
>>>>>> should Michael just go to da house?  (I can't call it "my house",
>>>>>> because it is of course Heather's).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -scott
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On  0, Michael Friedman <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>> Only one response? Could more people make Monday?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -- Mike
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jul 29, 2006, at 9:29 AM, Oyler, Nathan wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Provided all goes well today and I get my brakes fixed, I'm
>>>>>>>> in for
>>>>>>>> a sunday get together
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: phoenix-pm-bounces+nathan.oyler=sap.com at pm.org <phoenix-
>>>>>>>> pm-
>>>>>>>> bounces+nathan.oyler=sap.com at pm.org>
>>>>>>>> To: Phoenix.pm <Phoenix-pm at pm.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Sat Jul 29 08:57:02 2006
>>>>>>>> Subject: [Phoenix-pm] In town Sun, Mon
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Fellow Perl Mongers,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sorry for the late notice, but I'm actually in town this
>>>>>>>> weekend!
>>>>>>>> Would anyone like to get together for a social meeting  
>>>>>>>> Sunday or
>>>>>>>> Monday night?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm staying in downtown Scottsdale, but can drive anywhere on
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> East Side to downtown Phoenix. Anyone have a suggestion for a
>>>>>>>> convenient place?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'd love to see everyone again if possible. If there is
>>>>>>>> interest, I
>>>>>>>> could present some of the XML stuff I've been working on (high-
>>>>>>>> level
>>>>>>>> design, not Perl specific) or talk about reference linking for
>>>>>>>> journal articles using Perl and a database. I'd also love to
>>>>>>>> hear
>>>>>>>> about ICFP and OSCON and just catch up with y'all.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hope to see everyone soon,
>>>>>>>> -- Mike
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------- 
>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>> Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
>>>>>>>> Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
>>>>>>>> FAX:   270-721-8034
>>>>>>>> <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------- 
>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> Phoenix-pm mailing list
>>>>>>>> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
>>>>>>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------- 
>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
>>>>>>> Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
>>>>>>> FAX:   270-721-8034
>>>>>>> <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------- 
>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> Phoenix-pm mailing list
>>>>>>> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
>>>>>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------ 
>>>>> -
>>>>> --
>>>>> Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
>>>>> Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
>>>>> FAX:   270-721-8034
>>>>> <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------ 
>>>>> -
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>
>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>>> -
>>> Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
>>> Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
>>> FAX:   270-721-8034                   
>>> <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>>> -
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Phoenix-pm mailing list
>>> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
> Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
> FAX:   270-721-8034                  <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Phoenix-pm mailing list
> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm

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From friedman at highwire.stanford.edu  Mon Jul 31 17:12:55 2006
From: friedman at highwire.stanford.edu (Michael Friedman)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 17:12:55 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] In town Sun, Mon
In-Reply-To: <F2A7A7622D19D741A855C0D50A23283101D665C3@uspale20.pal.sap.corp>
References: <F2A7A7622D19D741A855C0D50A23283101D665C3@uspale20.pal.sap.corp>
Message-ID: <F62CB445-40AB-4D7C-818B-0AECD7E2F1E9@highwire.stanford.edu>

Well, since it's 5 pm and Scott hasn't responded, I think we should  
go ahead with Steve's Espresso at 7 or so, since that was the last  
settled plan.

If Scott comes back and Nathan, Darrin, and Scott decide on somewhere  
else, someone call my cell phone and let me know. 480-209-9367.

Otherwise, I'll see anyone at Steve's.

-- Mike

On Jul 31, 2006, at 2:37 PM, Oyler, Nathan wrote:

> I'm digging a Denny's style outing if I can make it. I've got to  
> run by
> the datacenter after work (why I wanted Sunday), so it really  
> depends on
> if everything goes according to plan there. Driving distance isn't a
> concern tonight, so I don't care where.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Scott Walters [mailto:scott at illogics.org]
>> Sent: Monday, Jul 31, 2006 14:42 PM
>> To: Michael Friedman
>> Cc: Oyler, Nathan; Phoenix-pm at pm.org
>> Subject: Re: [Phoenix-pm] In town Sun, Mon
>>
>> I'm inclined to declare an emergency meeting at the first Dennys- 
>> scale
>> resturant without walking distance of Michael... I don't think I
> actually
>> caught up on this conversation.  My attempt to go back in my spool a
> bit
>> got me distracted for several hours with *other* things that needed
>> attention (curses!) and now I'm afraid to try again.  Or if Michael
> has
>> a car and wants to take no risk of having a boring evening alone, I
>> can declare the meeting to be at da house.
>>
>> I should also note that Michael's last talk about technology and
>> automation and how they were processing abstracts with Perl at
>> Highwire Press was intriguing went over quite well.  But that was
>> right after Slashdot ran a story about how Google was VICIOUSLY
>> ATTACKING academic publishing houses like Highwire, which Michael
>> found laughable.
>>
>> Anyway.  Thoughts?  Should we just go to Michael's hotel room, or
>> should Michael just go to da house?  (I can't call it "my house",
>> because it is of course Heather's).
>>
>> -scott
>>
>> On  0, Michael Friedman <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu> wrote:
>>> Only one response? Could more people make Monday?
>>>
>>> -- Mike
>>>
>>> On Jul 29, 2006, at 9:29 AM, Oyler, Nathan wrote:
>>>
>>>> Provided all goes well today and I get my brakes fixed, I'm in for
>>>> a sunday get together
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: phoenix-pm-bounces+nathan.oyler=sap.com at pm.org <phoenix-pm-
>>>> bounces+nathan.oyler=sap.com at pm.org>
>>>> To: Phoenix.pm <Phoenix-pm at pm.org>
>>>> Sent: Sat Jul 29 08:57:02 2006
>>>> Subject: [Phoenix-pm] In town Sun, Mon
>>>>
>>>> Fellow Perl Mongers,
>>>>
>>>> Sorry for the late notice, but I'm actually in town this weekend!
>>>> Would anyone like to get together for a social meeting Sunday or
>>>> Monday night?
>>>>
>>>> I'm staying in downtown Scottsdale, but can drive anywhere on the
>>>> East Side to downtown Phoenix. Anyone have a suggestion for a
>>>> convenient place?
>>>>
>>>> I'd love to see everyone again if possible. If there is interest,
> I
>>>> could present some of the XML stuff I've been working on
> (high-level
>>>> design, not Perl specific) or talk about reference linking for
>>>> journal articles using Perl and a database. I'd also love to hear
>>>> about ICFP and OSCON and just catch up with y'all.
>>>>
>>>> Hope to see everyone soon,
>>>> -- Mike
>>>>
>>>>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
>>>> Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
>>>> FAX:   270-721-8034
> <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
>>>>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Phoenix-pm mailing list
>>>> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
>>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
>>>
>>>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
>>> Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
>>> FAX:   270-721-8034
> <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
>>>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Phoenix-pm mailing list
>>> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm

---------------------------------------------------------------------
Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
FAX:   270-721-8034                  <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
---------------------------------------------------------------------



From scott at illogics.org  Mon Jul 31 17:23:42 2006
From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 00:23:42 +0000
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] In town Sun, Mon
In-Reply-To: <F2A7A7622D19D741A855C0D50A232831E3E81B@uspale20.pal.sap.corp>
References: <F2A7A7622D19D741A855C0D50A232831E3E81B@uspale20.pal.sap.corp>
Message-ID: <20060801002342.GD29588@illogics.org>

Er, sorry.  Yeah.  Okay.  I'll try to make it.  For some reason, I thought
I remembered your hotel being north Scottsdale, which make make it silly for
both of us to drive to Mesa.  I'll see if I can get out of here with any
energy or time left.

-scott

On  0, "Oyler, Nathan" <nathan.oyler at sap.com> wrote:
> If all else fails, I'll be at steve's espresso
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: phoenix-pm-bounces+nathan.oyler=sap.com at pm.org <phoenix-pm-bounces+nathan.oyler=sap.com at pm.org>
> To: Michael Friedman <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
> CC: Phoenix-pm at pm.org <Phoenix-pm at pm.org>
> Sent: Mon Jul 31 16:10:27 2006
> Subject: Re: [Phoenix-pm] In town Sun, Mon
> 
> If something in downtown Scottsdale works for you, maybe we could do  
> dinner at PF Changs as Scottsdale Fashion Square? Still 7 pm works  
> for me.
> 
> I don't know cafe's here. There's a Coffee Bean & Tea Leaf at  
> Scottsdale & Camelback, but they close at 8 pm. Anyone know another  
> option?
> 
> -- Mike
> 
> On Jul 31, 2006, at 4:04 PM, Michael Friedman wrote:
> 
> > Yep, that one. It's 17 minutes from my hotel. I'm open to other
> > suggestions.
> >
> > -- Mike
> >
> > On Jul 31, 2006, at 4:10 PM, Scott Walters wrote:
> >
> >> http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?
> >> latlongtype=internal&addtohistory=&latitude=iMzF09UYgl4%
> >> 3d&longitude=k0KcIqKvVprKd%2bsvhqYYOw%3d%3d&name=Steve%27s%
> >> 20Espresso&country=US&address=1801%20E%20Baseline%
> >> 20Rd&city=Tempe&state=AZ&zipcode=85283&phone=480%2d777%
> >> 2d5373&spurl=0&&q=steve%27s%20espresso&qc=Coffee%20Shops
> >>
> >> That Steve's Espresso?
> >>
> >> That's south past the 60.  That's an hour from here.  Where's
> >> Michael's hotel?
> >>
> >> -scott
> >>
> >> On  0, Michael Friedman <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu> wrote:
> >>> Time to catch up, Scott. :-)
> >>> Current plan is Steve's Espresso tonight @ 7 pm.
> >>>
> >>> Can you make that?
> >>> -- Mike
> >>>
> >>> On Jul 31, 2006, at 3:55 PM, Scott Walters wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Yikes... my Tuesday is rather decisively taken =(  And it *wasn't*
> >>>> next
> >>>> week like I thought maybe for a bit there.  D'oh!
> >>>>
> >>>> Well, how far are you from Shea?  If you aren't far from here
> >>>> (16231 E Balsam Dr, Fountain Hills, AZ 85268) I'll encourage you to
> >>>> pop
> >>>> by and hang out.
> >>>>
> >>>> -scott
> >>>>
> >>>> On  0, Michael Friedman <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu> wrote:
> >>>>> Well, I do have a car, there's no need for using my hotel room.
> >>>>> (For
> >>>>> another thing, my wife and toddler are here, one of whom has an
> >>>>> 8 pm
> >>>>> bedtime.)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Also, given the lateness of today, I'm inclined to meet tomorrow
> >>>>> instead. (It turns out I can do Tuesday night too.) Anywhere
> >>>>> within a
> >>>>> half-hour of downtown Scottsdale would be fine. Mill's End is
> >>>>> great,
> >>>>> since I already know where that is. I just discovered today  
> >>>>> that my
> >>>>> former favorite cafe, Romancing the Bean, is no longer in North
> >>>>> Scottsdale, they're now in the giant construction zone on Rio
> >>>>> Salado
> >>>>> in Tempe... and only open until 5 pm, so that won't work.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So, unless anyone has a better idea, how about?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Time: Tuesday 8/1  8:00 pm
> >>>>> Location: Mill's End (or other suitable juncture)
> >>>>> Topic: conversation, random perl talk
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Although I've always been curious as to how Scott lives...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -- Mike
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Jul 31, 2006, at 2:41 PM, Scott Walters wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I'm inclined to declare an emergency meeting at the first Dennys-
> >>>>>> scale
> >>>>>> resturant without walking distance of Michael... I don't think I
> >>>>>> actually
> >>>>>> caught up on this conversation.  My attempt to go back in my  
> >>>>>> spool
> >>>>>> a bit
> >>>>>> got me distracted for several hours with *other* things that
> >>>>>> needed
> >>>>>> attention (curses!) and now I'm afraid to try again.  Or if
> >>>>>> Michael
> >>>>>> has
> >>>>>> a car and wants to take no risk of having a boring evening
> >>>>>> alone, I
> >>>>>> can declare the meeting to be at da house.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I should also note that Michael's last talk about technology and
> >>>>>> automation and how they were processing abstracts with Perl at
> >>>>>> Highwire Press was intriguing went over quite well.  But that was
> >>>>>> right after Slashdot ran a story about how Google was VICIOUSLY
> >>>>>> ATTACKING academic publishing houses like Highwire, which Michael
> >>>>>> found laughable.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Anyway.  Thoughts?  Should we just go to Michael's hotel room, or
> >>>>>> should Michael just go to da house?  (I can't call it "my house",
> >>>>>> because it is of course Heather's).
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -scott
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On  0, Michael Friedman <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu> wrote:
> >>>>>>> Only one response? Could more people make Monday?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -- Mike
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Jul 29, 2006, at 9:29 AM, Oyler, Nathan wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Provided all goes well today and I get my brakes fixed, I'm
> >>>>>>>> in for
> >>>>>>>> a sunday get together
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>> From: phoenix-pm-bounces+nathan.oyler=sap.com at pm.org <phoenix-
> >>>>>>>> pm-
> >>>>>>>> bounces+nathan.oyler=sap.com at pm.org>
> >>>>>>>> To: Phoenix.pm <Phoenix-pm at pm.org>
> >>>>>>>> Sent: Sat Jul 29 08:57:02 2006
> >>>>>>>> Subject: [Phoenix-pm] In town Sun, Mon
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Fellow Perl Mongers,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Sorry for the late notice, but I'm actually in town this
> >>>>>>>> weekend!
> >>>>>>>> Would anyone like to get together for a social meeting  
> >>>>>>>> Sunday or
> >>>>>>>> Monday night?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I'm staying in downtown Scottsdale, but can drive anywhere on
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> East Side to downtown Phoenix. Anyone have a suggestion for a
> >>>>>>>> convenient place?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I'd love to see everyone again if possible. If there is
> >>>>>>>> interest, I
> >>>>>>>> could present some of the XML stuff I've been working on (high-
> >>>>>>>> level
> >>>>>>>> design, not Perl specific) or talk about reference linking for
> >>>>>>>> journal articles using Perl and a database. I'd also love to
> >>>>>>>> hear
> >>>>>>>> about ICFP and OSCON and just catch up with y'all.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Hope to see everyone soon,
> >>>>>>>> -- Mike
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------- 
> >>>>>>>> -
> >>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>> -
> >>>>>>>> Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
> >>>>>>>> Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
> >>>>>>>> FAX:   270-721-8034
> >>>>>>>> <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
> >>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------- 
> >>>>>>>> -
> >>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>> -
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>>>> Phoenix-pm mailing list
> >>>>>>>> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> >>>>>>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------- 
> >>>>>>> -
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>> Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
> >>>>>>> Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
> >>>>>>> FAX:   270-721-8034
> >>>>>>> <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
> >>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------- 
> >>>>>>> -
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>>> Phoenix-pm mailing list
> >>>>>>> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> >>>>>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------ 
> >>>>> -
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
> >>>>> Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
> >>>>> FAX:   270-721-8034
> >>>>> <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------ 
> >>>>> -
> >>>>> --
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- 
> >>> -
> >>> Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
> >>> Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
> >>> FAX:   270-721-8034                   
> >>> <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- 
> >>> -
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Phoenix-pm mailing list
> >>> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> >>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
> > Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
> > FAX:   270-721-8034                  <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Phoenix-pm mailing list
> > Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
> Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
> FAX:   270-721-8034                  <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Phoenix-pm mailing list
> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
> _______________________________________________
> Phoenix-pm mailing list
> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm

From derek at ninth.org  Mon Jul 31 17:15:40 2006
From: derek at ninth.org (Derek Cline)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 17:15:40 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] In town Sun, Mon
In-Reply-To: <20060801002342.GD29588@illogics.org>
References: <F2A7A7622D19D741A855C0D50A232831E3E81B@uspale20.pal.sap.corp>
	<20060801002342.GD29588@illogics.org>
Message-ID: <295ABB9F-F264-4246-A2CB-D6D9E8D15BB8@ninth.org>

I can't make it tonight guys. Have fun. :)

-=Derek


On Jul 31, 2006, at 5:23 PM, Scott Walters wrote:

> Er, sorry.  Yeah.  Okay.  I'll try to make it.  For some reason, I  
> thought
> I remembered your hotel being north Scottsdale, which make make it  
> silly for
> both of us to drive to Mesa.  I'll see if I can get out of here  
> with any
> energy or time left.
>
> -scott
>
> On  0, "Oyler, Nathan" <nathan.oyler at sap.com> wrote:
>> If all else fails, I'll be at steve's espresso
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: phoenix-pm-bounces+nathan.oyler=sap.com at pm.org <phoenix-pm- 
>> bounces+nathan.oyler=sap.com at pm.org>
>> To: Michael Friedman <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
>> CC: Phoenix-pm at pm.org <Phoenix-pm at pm.org>
>> Sent: Mon Jul 31 16:10:27 2006
>> Subject: Re: [Phoenix-pm] In town Sun, Mon
>>
>> If something in downtown Scottsdale works for you, maybe we could do
>> dinner at PF Changs as Scottsdale Fashion Square? Still 7 pm works
>> for me.
>>
>> I don't know cafe's here. There's a Coffee Bean & Tea Leaf at
>> Scottsdale & Camelback, but they close at 8 pm. Anyone know another
>> option?
>>
>> -- Mike
>>
>> On Jul 31, 2006, at 4:04 PM, Michael Friedman wrote:
>>
>>> Yep, that one. It's 17 minutes from my hotel. I'm open to other
>>> suggestions.
>>>
>>> -- Mike
>>>
>>> On Jul 31, 2006, at 4:10 PM, Scott Walters wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?
>>>> latlongtype=internal&addtohistory=&latitude=iMzF09UYgl4%
>>>> 3d&longitude=k0KcIqKvVprKd%2bsvhqYYOw%3d%3d&name=Steve%27s%
>>>> 20Espresso&country=US&address=1801%20E%20Baseline%
>>>> 20Rd&city=Tempe&state=AZ&zipcode=85283&phone=480%2d777%
>>>> 2d5373&spurl=0&&q=steve%27s%20espresso&qc=Coffee%20Shops
>>>>
>>>> That Steve's Espresso?
>>>>
>>>> That's south past the 60.  That's an hour from here.  Where's
>>>> Michael's hotel?
>>>>
>>>> -scott
>>>>
>>>> On  0, Michael Friedman <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu> wrote:
>>>>> Time to catch up, Scott. :-)
>>>>> Current plan is Steve's Espresso tonight @ 7 pm.
>>>>>
>>>>> Can you make that?
>>>>> -- Mike
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 31, 2006, at 3:55 PM, Scott Walters wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yikes... my Tuesday is rather decisively taken =(  And it  
>>>>>> *wasn't*
>>>>>> next
>>>>>> week like I thought maybe for a bit there.  D'oh!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, how far are you from Shea?  If you aren't far from here
>>>>>> (16231 E Balsam Dr, Fountain Hills, AZ 85268) I'll encourage  
>>>>>> you to
>>>>>> pop
>>>>>> by and hang out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -scott
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On  0, Michael Friedman <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>> Well, I do have a car, there's no need for using my hotel room.
>>>>>>> (For
>>>>>>> another thing, my wife and toddler are here, one of whom has an
>>>>>>> 8 pm
>>>>>>> bedtime.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, given the lateness of today, I'm inclined to meet tomorrow
>>>>>>> instead. (It turns out I can do Tuesday night too.) Anywhere
>>>>>>> within a
>>>>>>> half-hour of downtown Scottsdale would be fine. Mill's End is
>>>>>>> great,
>>>>>>> since I already know where that is. I just discovered today
>>>>>>> that my
>>>>>>> former favorite cafe, Romancing the Bean, is no longer in North
>>>>>>> Scottsdale, they're now in the giant construction zone on Rio
>>>>>>> Salado
>>>>>>> in Tempe... and only open until 5 pm, so that won't work.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, unless anyone has a better idea, how about?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Time: Tuesday 8/1  8:00 pm
>>>>>>> Location: Mill's End (or other suitable juncture)
>>>>>>> Topic: conversation, random perl talk
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Although I've always been curious as to how Scott lives...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -- Mike
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jul 31, 2006, at 2:41 PM, Scott Walters wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm inclined to declare an emergency meeting at the first  
>>>>>>>> Dennys-
>>>>>>>> scale
>>>>>>>> resturant without walking distance of Michael... I don't  
>>>>>>>> think I
>>>>>>>> actually
>>>>>>>> caught up on this conversation.  My attempt to go back in my
>>>>>>>> spool
>>>>>>>> a bit
>>>>>>>> got me distracted for several hours with *other* things that
>>>>>>>> needed
>>>>>>>> attention (curses!) and now I'm afraid to try again.  Or if
>>>>>>>> Michael
>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>> a car and wants to take no risk of having a boring evening
>>>>>>>> alone, I
>>>>>>>> can declare the meeting to be at da house.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I should also note that Michael's last talk about technology  
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> automation and how they were processing abstracts with Perl at
>>>>>>>> Highwire Press was intriguing went over quite well.  But  
>>>>>>>> that was
>>>>>>>> right after Slashdot ran a story about how Google was VICIOUSLY
>>>>>>>> ATTACKING academic publishing houses like Highwire, which  
>>>>>>>> Michael
>>>>>>>> found laughable.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anyway.  Thoughts?  Should we just go to Michael's hotel  
>>>>>>>> room, or
>>>>>>>> should Michael just go to da house?  (I can't call it "my  
>>>>>>>> house",
>>>>>>>> because it is of course Heather's).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -scott
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On  0, Michael Friedman <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Only one response? Could more people make Monday?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -- Mike
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Jul 29, 2006, at 9:29 AM, Oyler, Nathan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Provided all goes well today and I get my brakes fixed, I'm
>>>>>>>>>> in for
>>>>>>>>>> a sunday get together
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: phoenix-pm-bounces+nathan.oyler=sap.com at pm.org  
>>>>>>>>>> <phoenix-
>>>>>>>>>> pm-
>>>>>>>>>> bounces+nathan.oyler=sap.com at pm.org>
>>>>>>>>>> To: Phoenix.pm <Phoenix-pm at pm.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sat Jul 29 08:57:02 2006
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Phoenix-pm] In town Sun, Mon
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Fellow Perl Mongers,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sorry for the late notice, but I'm actually in town this
>>>>>>>>>> weekend!
>>>>>>>>>> Would anyone like to get together for a social meeting
>>>>>>>>>> Sunday or
>>>>>>>>>> Monday night?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm staying in downtown Scottsdale, but can drive anywhere on
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> East Side to downtown Phoenix. Anyone have a suggestion for a
>>>>>>>>>> convenient place?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'd love to see everyone again if possible. If there is
>>>>>>>>>> interest, I
>>>>>>>>>> could present some of the XML stuff I've been working on  
>>>>>>>>>> (high-
>>>>>>>>>> level
>>>>>>>>>> design, not Perl specific) or talk about reference linking  
>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>> journal articles using Perl and a database. I'd also love to
>>>>>>>>>> hear
>>>>>>>>>> about ICFP and OSCON and just catch up with y'all.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hope to see everyone soon,
>>>>>>>>>> -- Mike
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------- 
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>>>> Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
>>>>>>>>>> Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
>>>>>>>>>> FAX:   270-721-8034
>>>>>>>>>> <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------- 
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> Phoenix-pm mailing list
>>>>>>>>>> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
>>>>>>>>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------- 
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
>>>>>>>>> Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
>>>>>>>>> FAX:   270-721-8034
>>>>>>>>> <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
>>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------- 
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> Phoenix-pm mailing list
>>>>>>>>> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
>>>>>>>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------- 
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
>>>>>>> Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
>>>>>>> FAX:   270-721-8034
>>>>>>> <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------- 
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------ 
>>>>> --
>>>>> -
>>>>> Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
>>>>> Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
>>>>> FAX:   270-721-8034
>>>>> <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------ 
>>>>> --
>>>>> -
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Phoenix-pm mailing list
>>>>> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
>>>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
>>>
>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>>> -
>>> Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
>>> Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
>>> FAX:   270-721-8034                   
>>> <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>>> -
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Phoenix-pm mailing list
>>> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Michael Friedman                     HighWire Press
>> Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
>> FAX:   270-721-8034                  <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Phoenix-pm mailing list
>> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
>> _______________________________________________
>> Phoenix-pm mailing list
>> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
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From awwaiid at thelackthereof.org  Mon Jul 31 17:34:36 2006
From: awwaiid at thelackthereof.org (Brock)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 17:34:36 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] In town Sun, Mon
In-Reply-To: <295ABB9F-F264-4246-A2CB-D6D9E8D15BB8@ninth.org>
References: <F2A7A7622D19D741A855C0D50A232831E3E81B@uspale20.pal.sap.corp>
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	<295ABB9F-F264-4246-A2CB-D6D9E8D15BB8@ninth.org>
Message-ID: <20060801003436.GJ6401@thelackthereof.org>

Neither can I, sorry to miss out! Write some Perl for me.

--Brock

On 2006.07.31.17.15, Derek Cline wrote:
| I can't make it tonight guys. Have fun. :)
| 
| -=Derek


From andypm at exiledplanet.org  Mon Jul 31 22:29:25 2006
From: andypm at exiledplanet.org (Andrew Johnson)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 22:29:25 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] In town Sun, Mon
In-Reply-To: <20060801003436.GJ6401@thelackthereof.org>
References: <F2A7A7622D19D741A855C0D50A232831E3E81B@uspale20.pal.sap.corp>
	<20060801002342.GD29588@illogics.org>
	<295ABB9F-F264-4246-A2CB-D6D9E8D15BB8@ninth.org>
	<20060801003436.GJ6401@thelackthereof.org>
Message-ID: <e0d2adc80607312229i1bb6d5d0m40650237ca926420@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry, I couldn't make it either.  That coffee shop sounds cool, though (or
at least, their website makes it seem cool); I'll have to check it out
sometime.

[aj]

On 7/31/06, Brock <awwaiid at thelackthereof.org> wrote:
>
> Neither can I, sorry to miss out! Write some Perl for me.
>
> --Brock
>
> On 2006.07.31.17.15, Derek Cline wrote:
> | I can't make it tonight guys. Have fun. :)
> |
> | -=Derek
>
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