From awwaiid at thelackthereof.org  Mon Dec  4 11:33:19 2006
From: awwaiid at thelackthereof.org (Brock)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 12:33:19 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Meeting Reminder
Message-ID: <20061204193319.GD17981@thelackthereof.org>

We have a meeting this Wednesday, don't forget!

     Time: Wednesday 6 December 2006 @7:00pm
 Location: Scottsdale Community College, Room CM-473
           http://www.sc.maricopa.edu/sccmap/ for maps
    Topic: News in the Perl World (Brock)
           Derek Cline Mystery Topic
           Constraint Systems (Scott)
           Phoenix Hackathon
    Other: Wired(-less?) internet available, bring your laptop
           There will additionally be door prizes and cookies.

Please RSVP to the list.

--Brock


From friedman at highwire.stanford.edu  Mon Dec  4 11:35:55 2006
From: friedman at highwire.stanford.edu (Michael Friedman)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 11:35:55 -0800
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Meeting Reminder
In-Reply-To: <20061204193319.GD17981@thelackthereof.org>
References: <20061204193319.GD17981@thelackthereof.org>
Message-ID: <85868F51-BC36-4DB7-8E55-D02F13C831F9@highwire.stanford.edu>

"Derek Cline Mystery Topic"?

Is he going to write Perl mysteries, like Perl poetry?
Cool!

;-)
-- Mike

On Dec 4, 2006, at 11:33 AM, Brock wrote:

> We have a meeting this Wednesday, don't forget!
>
>      Time: Wednesday 6 December 2006 @7:00pm
>  Location: Scottsdale Community College, Room CM-473
>            http://www.sc.maricopa.edu/sccmap/ for maps
>     Topic: News in the Perl World (Brock)
>            Derek Cline Mystery Topic
>            Constraint Systems (Scott)
>            Phoenix Hackathon
>     Other: Wired(-less?) internet available, bring your laptop
>            There will additionally be door prizes and cookies.
>
> Please RSVP to the list.
>
> --Brock
>
> _______________________________________________
> Phoenix-pm mailing list
> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm

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From wlindley at wlindley.com  Mon Dec  4 13:25:15 2006
From: wlindley at wlindley.com (Bill Lindley)
Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 14:25:15 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Meeting Reminder
In-Reply-To: <20061204193319.GD17981@thelackthereof.org>
References: <20061204193319.GD17981@thelackthereof.org>
Message-ID: <4574923B.2080103@wlindley.com>

I will attend.

From derek at ninth.org  Mon Dec  4 13:39:07 2006
From: derek at ninth.org (Derek Cline)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 14:39:07 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Meeting Reminder
In-Reply-To: <20061204193319.GD17981@thelackthereof.org>
References: <20061204193319.GD17981@thelackthereof.org>
Message-ID: <68A076E7-AB68-419F-908E-964949CE18EC@ninth.org>

I'll be there, presenting something mysterious. :)

-=D

From andypm at exiledplanet.org  Tue Dec  5 02:40:13 2006
From: andypm at exiledplanet.org (Andrew Johnson)
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 03:40:13 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Meeting Reminder
In-Reply-To: <68A076E7-AB68-419F-908E-964949CE18EC@ninth.org>
References: <20061204193319.GD17981@thelackthereof.org>
	<68A076E7-AB68-419F-908E-964949CE18EC@ninth.org>
Message-ID: <e0d2adc80612050240o5d34d82dk6975791a3892787@mail.gmail.com>

Something mysterious?  Count me in.    [aj]

On 12/4/06, Derek Cline <derek at ninth.org> wrote:
>
> I'll be there, presenting something mysterious. :)
>
> -=D
> _______________________________________________
> Phoenix-pm mailing list
> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
>
>
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From derek at ninth.org  Tue Dec  5 08:59:03 2006
From: derek at ninth.org (Derek Cline)
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 09:59:03 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Meeting Reminder
In-Reply-To: <e0d2adc80612050240o5d34d82dk6975791a3892787@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20061204193319.GD17981@thelackthereof.org>
	<68A076E7-AB68-419F-908E-964949CE18EC@ninth.org>
	<e0d2adc80612050240o5d34d82dk6975791a3892787@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8938EE74-58B2-4E0F-A27C-5315E24B210C@ninth.org>

Careful, don't build up the excitement too much. :)

-=D


On Dec 5, 2006, at 3:40 AM, Andrew Johnson wrote:

> Something mysterious?  Count me in.    [aj]
>
> On 12/4/06, Derek Cline <derek at ninth.org> wrote: I'll be there,  
> presenting something mysterious. :)
>
> -=D
> _______________________________________________
> Phoenix-pm mailing list
> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Phoenix-pm mailing list
> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm


From scott at illogics.org  Tue Dec  5 16:01:08 2006
From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 00:01:08 +0000
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] CSS Cookbook, SQL Hacks, Network Security Hacks,
	CSS Definitive Guide up for reviews
In-Reply-To: <20061206000024.GW1027@straylight>
References: <20061204193319.GD17981@thelackthereof.org>
	<20061206000024.GW1027@straylight>
Message-ID: <20061206000108.GC1029@straylight>

This is what I got from ORA.  If you have time to do a book review (read it, write
up your thoughts on it, submit it to Amazon, Slashdot, post it to your own blog,
or whatever, and then tell me about it so I can tell the nice lady at ORA about
it so she'll keeping us more books), come to the meeting.  I'll have those
four titles to hand out to whoever can promise a review.  Of course, if you 
hate a book, you don't have to submit a review, but you do have to give it back
if you don't do a review ;)

-scott

On  0, Brock <awwaiid at thelackthereof.org> wrote:
> We have a meeting this Wednesday, don't forget!
> 
>      Time: Wednesday 6 December 2006 @7:00pm
>  Location: Scottsdale Community College, Room CM-473
>            http://www.sc.maricopa.edu/sccmap/ for maps
>     Topic: News in the Perl World (Brock)
>            Derek Cline Mystery Topic
>            Constraint Systems (Scott)
>            Phoenix Hackathon
>     Other: Wired(-less?) internet available, bring your laptop
>            There will additionally be door prizes and cookies.
> 
> Please RSVP to the list.
> 
> --Brock
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Phoenix-pm mailing list
> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm

From andypm at exiledplanet.org  Wed Dec  6 08:15:18 2006
From: andypm at exiledplanet.org (Andrew Johnson)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 09:15:18 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Meeting Reminder
In-Reply-To: <8938EE74-58B2-4E0F-A27C-5315E24B210C@ninth.org>
References: <20061204193319.GD17981@thelackthereof.org>
	<68A076E7-AB68-419F-908E-964949CE18EC@ninth.org>
	<e0d2adc80612050240o5d34d82dk6975791a3892787@mail.gmail.com>
	<8938EE74-58B2-4E0F-A27C-5315E24B210C@ninth.org>
Message-ID: <e0d2adc80612060815r25d9535ape31fea81e6365a62@mail.gmail.com>

Good to see Phoenix.pm getting a mention on use.perl.org:

http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=06/12/05/1831258

[aj]

On 12/5/06, Derek Cline <derek at ninth.org> wrote:
>
> Careful, don't build up the excitement too much. :)
>
> -=D
>
>
> On Dec 5, 2006, at 3:40 AM, Andrew Johnson wrote:
>
> > Something mysterious?  Count me in.    [aj]
> >
> > On 12/4/06, Derek Cline <derek at ninth.org> wrote: I'll be there,
> > presenting something mysterious. :)
> >
> > -=D
> > _______________________________________________
> > Phoenix-pm mailing list
> > Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Phoenix-pm mailing list
> > Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
>
> _______________________________________________
> Phoenix-pm mailing list
> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
>
>
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From awwaiid at thelackthereof.org  Wed Dec  6 16:29:03 2006
From: awwaiid at thelackthereof.org (Brock)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 17:29:03 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Meeting tonight!
Message-ID: <20061207002903.GJ17981@thelackthereof.org>


Don't forget our meeting tonight! (see phoenix.pm.org for location
details).

If anyone has a wireless router we can borrow... I seem to have
misplaced mine. Or maybe just a hub. I have a long ethernet chord at
least. I think. hmm.

We'll have the overhead machine if nothing else :)

--Brock


From derek at ninth.org  Wed Dec  6 16:46:32 2006
From: derek at ninth.org (Derek Cline)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 17:46:32 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Meeting tonight!
In-Reply-To: <20061207002903.GJ17981@thelackthereof.org>
References: <20061207002903.GJ17981@thelackthereof.org>
Message-ID: <FA4903DE-C3CF-44B0-9877-CAA5666F7770@ninth.org>

Worst case scenario I could connect up my laptop to a wired  
connection and turn on wireless sharing.

-=Derek


On Dec 6, 2006, at 5:29 PM, Brock wrote:

>
> Don't forget our meeting tonight! (see phoenix.pm.org for location
> details).
>
> If anyone has a wireless router we can borrow... I seem to have
> misplaced mine. Or maybe just a hub. I have a long ethernet chord at
> least. I think. hmm.
>
> We'll have the overhead machine if nothing else :)
>
> --Brock
>
> _______________________________________________
> Phoenix-pm mailing list
> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm


From awwaiid at thelackthereof.org  Fri Dec  8 22:27:24 2006
From: awwaiid at thelackthereof.org (Brock)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 23:27:24 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Meeting follow-up
Message-ID: <20061209062723.GN17981@thelackthereof.org>

Good meeting on Wednesday, thanks again to SCC for hosting us.

Derek gave us an intro to Unit Testing and showed off some work-related
examples. Also got a peak into his development environment which was
pretty neat. Mostly a good vim setup and usage, but we also talked about
SVN (and svk/darcs, and mentioned ack).

Derek, send me your slides and I'll put them up on the website.

--Brock


From friedman at highwire.stanford.edu  Sat Dec  9 00:51:02 2006
From: friedman at highwire.stanford.edu (Michael Friedman)
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 00:51:02 -0800
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Meeting follow-up
In-Reply-To: <20061209062723.GN17981@thelackthereof.org>
References: <20061209062723.GN17981@thelackthereof.org>
Message-ID: <9F2AAEA7-780B-45F0-97DB-C66FF22AC861@highwire.stanford.edu>

Man, anyone who hasn't been following the Perl Advent Calendar should  
at least look at the entry on 'ack'. I read this page and installed  
ack immediately on my company's system. I've already had two other  
people say it saved them work -- not by doing anything grep can't do  
(yet), but by having default settings that make much more sense for  
searching through trees of code.

	http://perladvent.pm.org/2006/5/

-- Mike

PS - The Perl Advent Calendar itself is pretty cool too. :-)
	http://perladvent.pm.org/

On Dec 8, 2006, at 10:27 PM, Brock wrote:

> Good meeting on Wednesday, thanks again to SCC for hosting us.
>
> Derek gave us an intro to Unit Testing and showed off some work- 
> related
> examples. Also got a peak into his development environment which was
> pretty neat. Mostly a good vim setup and usage, but we also talked  
> about
> SVN (and svk/darcs, and mentioned ack).
>
> Derek, send me your slides and I'll put them up on the website.
>
> --Brock
>
> _______________________________________________
> Phoenix-pm mailing list
> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm

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Phone: 650-725-1974                  Stanford University
FAX:   270-721-8034                  <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
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From scott at illogics.org  Mon Dec 25 11:12:25 2006
From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters)
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 19:12:25 +0000
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] ORA review books -- progress?
In-Reply-To: <20061113042519.GX9176@straylight>
References: <20061111102234.GQ9176@straylight>
	<20061113042519.GX9176@straylight>
Message-ID: <20061225191225.GI1029@straylight>

Hi all,

I've just finished reading Network Security Hacks and am going to type something 
up.  Anyone else get anything posted (be it on Amazon or elsewhere) I can
report to Marsee at ORA on?

Cheers,
-scott

From scott at illogics.org  Tue Dec 26 10:35:28 2006
From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 18:35:28 +0000
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Fwd: Re: A christmas wish: simple notation for
	ratcheting (non-backtrack) regex
Message-ID: <20061226183527.GS1027@straylight>

Hi all,

In Perl 5.10, + in a pattern after another qualifier means "don't back up past
this point if you've matched this much".  Yay =)

-scott


----- Forwarded message from Rafael Garcia-Suarez <rgarciasuarez at gmail.com> -----

From: Rafael Garcia-Suarez <rgarciasuarez at gmail.com>
To: "Randal L. Schwartz" <merlyn at stonehenge.com>
Subject: Re: A christmas wish: simple notation for ratcheting (non-backtrack) regex

On 25 Dec 2006 21:39:29 -0800, Randal L. Schwartz <merlyn at stonehenge.com> 
wrote:
>>>>>> "mark" == mark  <mark at mark.mielke.cc> writes:
>
>mark> Are you asking for the same thing as the Java "possessive 
>quantifiers"?
>mark> They use "+" to mean this already.
>
>Yeah, OK.  I didn't think I was totally making this up. :)
>
>But it's even more interesting if it's to be compatible with other
>regex engines.  Cool.

bleadperl has possessive quantifiers, thanks to Yves.
>From perlre:

Possessive quantifiers are equivalent to putting the item they are applied
to inside of one of these constructs. The following equivalences apply:

   Quantifier Form     Bracketing Form
   ---------------     ---------------
   PAT*+               (?>PAT*)
   PAT++               (?>PAT+)
   PAT?+               (?>PAT?)
   PAT{min,max}+       (?>PAT{min,max})

----- End forwarded message -----

From derek at ninth.org  Tue Dec 26 10:55:39 2006
From: derek at ninth.org (Derek Cline)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 10:55:39 -0800
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] ORA review books -- progress?
In-Reply-To: <20061225191225.GI1029@straylight>
References: <20061111102234.GQ9176@straylight>
	<20061113042519.GX9176@straylight>
	<20061225191225.GI1029@straylight>
Message-ID: <DC4A63C8-76B8-4983-9DAE-450ABBFCC5DE@ninth.org>

I am a slacker. I grabbed the O'Reilly CSS Definitive Guide book and  
while I've looked into a couple specific topics that I needed help on  
I'm far from having read the book enough to write a review for it nor  
do I find myself having time in the near future to do so. Can I offer  
the book up to anyone else that might get some benefit from it?  
Either way I'll bring it to the next meeting.

-=Derek


On Dec 25, 2006, at 11:12 AM, Scott Walters wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I've just finished reading Network Security Hacks and am going to  
> type something
> up.  Anyone else get anything posted (be it on Amazon or elsewhere)  
> I can
> report to Marsee at ORA on?
>
> Cheers,
> -scott
> _______________________________________________
> Phoenix-pm mailing list
> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm


From scott at illogics.org  Tue Dec 26 11:27:19 2006
From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 19:27:19 +0000
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] ORA review books -- progress?
In-Reply-To: <DC4A63C8-76B8-4983-9DAE-450ABBFCC5DE@ninth.org>
References: <20061111102234.GQ9176@straylight>
	<20061113042519.GX9176@straylight>
	<20061225191225.GI1029@straylight>
	<DC4A63C8-76B8-4983-9DAE-450ABBFCC5DE@ninth.org>
Message-ID: <20061226192719.GT1027@straylight>

Write a blurb for Amazon, the phoenix.pm site, or your personal blog, 
send me the link, I'll send it to our contact at ORA, and we're in the 
clear.

Cheers,
-scott

On  0, Derek Cline <derek at ninth.org> wrote:
> I am a slacker. I grabbed the O'Reilly CSS Definitive Guide book and  
> while I've looked into a couple specific topics that I needed help on  
> I'm far from having read the book enough to write a review for it nor  
> do I find myself having time in the near future to do so. Can I offer  
> the book up to anyone else that might get some benefit from it?  
> Either way I'll bring it to the next meeting.
> 
> -=Derek
> 
> 
> On Dec 25, 2006, at 11:12 AM, Scott Walters wrote:
> 
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I've just finished reading Network Security Hacks and am going to  
> > type something
> > up.  Anyone else get anything posted (be it on Amazon or elsewhere)  
> > I can
> > report to Marsee at ORA on?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > -scott
> > _______________________________________________
> > Phoenix-pm mailing list
> > Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Phoenix-pm mailing list
> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm