From friedman at highwire.stanford.edu  Sat Oct  1 22:50:33 2005
From: friedman at highwire.stanford.edu (Michael Friedman)
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 22:50:33 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Missing PM groups?
Message-ID: <2AA83F80-DCFD-4840-B0A2-E5F981834FCB@highwire.stanford.edu>

Guys,

You may have seen the latest Perl.com newsletter. (If not, you should  
go sign up!)

> Dave Cross, TPF's Perl Monger in Chief, has posted a call for  
> missing Perl
> Monger groups.  If you're a member (or leader) of any group on his  
> list,
> please contact him at user_groups at pm dot org:
>
>     <http://dave.org.uk/missing/>

You may not have clicked through to the list itself, though, where  
Yuma.pm and Tuscon.pm are both AWOL.

Anyone know anyone in those groups? If so, you might want to pass the  
word that they're going to be delisted if they don't respond...

-- Mike
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From vodhner at cox.net  Mon Oct  3 06:57:50 2005
From: vodhner at cox.net (Victor Odhner)
Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 06:57:50 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Perl programmer needed for direct hire
Message-ID: <434138DE.2070807@cox.net>

Here is a direct employment opportunity for a Perl programmer.

Requires solid comfort with Perl's basic work-horse
features.  Having built and maintained real
applications supporting real business activities
would be a big plus, but other experience may
also qualify -- see below.

These Perl applications run on Windows (using
ActiveState Perl) or Linux, so knowledge of Windows
(command line, scheduling, VBA, etc.) or Linux/Unix
(shell scripting, cron, etc.) are of value here.

Some of these applications emulate human interaction
(screen scraping) with remote systems; others do
data conversion and SQL queries, and interact with
Unix via a telnet session.

Work is in a team environment with application
specialists who have various skills, so there's a
need to learn from and teach others.  Rarely, the
whole team works together on verifying or entering
data.  It's a very lively environment and you get to
see your work in action -- no ivory tower here.
The environment includes a number of hotel
reservations tools, data flowing to web-based
booking services, conversion of data from new
customers, etc.

If you know Perl but lack professional experience,
other qualification that could help in this job are
MS Excel, SQL, shell scripting, and basic networking;
any prior contact with the hospitality industry; or
other office work, dealing with tools and procedures.
Because of the varied nature of the work, the
requirements are rather flexible.

This is a job that I did before transferring into my
current position in software support.  The people are
nice, and the challenges are varied.  The company is
good to work for, with full bennies, several avenues
of possible advancement, broad technology exposure
and good mobility.

We are located by the 101 near the Scottsdale Airpark.
Please contact me for further information.

Thanks,

Vic






From scott at illogics.org  Thu Oct  6 15:47:39 2005
From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters)
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 15:47:39 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Second-Saturdays party in Fountain Hills -- come one,
	come all
In-Reply-To: <434138DE.2070807@cox.net>
References: <434138DE.2070807@cox.net>
Message-ID: <20051006224739.GA15273@illogics.org>

http://www.slowass.net/~scott/2ndSatF05.jpg

That's a party a friend of mine throws every 2nd Saturday of the month. 
It's a mixed but interesting crowd and the food is great. There's
beer, wine, and a bar, but the focus is conversation.

-scott


From scott at illogics.org  Wed Oct 19 08:18:11 2005
From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters)
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 08:18:11 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Fwd: Monday was the 11th anniversary of the release of
	Perl 5.000
Message-ID: <20051019151811.GH15273@illogics.org>

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From awwaiid at thelackthereof.org  Thu Oct 20 09:59:34 2005
From: awwaiid at thelackthereof.org (Brock)
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 09:59:34 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] [JMT@magentatech.com: FW:  perl programmer needed]
Message-ID: <20051020165933.GK7251@thelackthereof.org>


Greetings all, got a request to forward this on.

Hows everyone doing? Sorry we haven't had a meeting yet, still haven't
attained a location. Working on it.

--Brock

----- Forwarded message from Jeff <JMT at magentatech.com> -----


Looking for someone with lots of experience developing scalable web
applications in perl with mysql running on apache and linux.  If you
consider your self a highly skilled developer in these areas, please send me
your resume.  need somone asap.  Position is in south Scottsdale onsite full
time only.
jmt at magentatech.com




----- End forwarded message -----

From jzugel at excite.com  Fri Oct 21 11:13:35 2005
From: jzugel at excite.com (John Zugel)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 14:13:35 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Meeting room possibilities...
Message-ID: <20051021181335.60E6BC14D6@xprdmailfe25.nwk.excite.com>



Hi y'all -

Attempting to help find a meeting room, I offer the following :

1. Most public libraries have meeting rooms, but they apparently
charge for use, so depending on how flush we're feeling, this is
a possibility.

2. Most public libraries have study rooms, and Scottsdale's offers
WiFi, but there's usually a maximum of 6, so depending on how cozy we're feeling, this is a possiblity.

3. ASU's library has study rooms, but I don't know how large they are. The library has never asked me for ID, but that may just be my professorial (ie. unkempt) appearance.

4. When I lived in an apartment, the apartment complex had a common room available at no charge, large enough for a good-size gathering, with some restrictions. But after 7 PM, the gate was closed and you had to buzz for admittance, a minor annoyance.

5. When I lived in Silicon Valley, one of the Carls Jrs had a meeting room that they regularly made available to groups for meetings. Perhaps one or more fast food/restaurants would help out on their slow nights, if approached properly.

6. I have no idea about how or how well the technology works, but would NetMeeting or something like it allow us to hold a virtual meeting ? If not, is there an entrepreneurial^H^H...^H^H, money-making possibility here, or an open source solution waiting for completion/contributions ?

7. If we were in some way allied with some other group, perhaps we could piggyback on their already-reserved space. Broadening the charter to combine with the PHP group that meets at Walt's TV (already a sizable group) might cross-pollinate both groups, altho that may have already happened. There was a Python group, but they seem to have disbanded/died. Perhaps they could be included. And maybe start a Ruby group, just for the extra weight on the letterhead.

So, that's my thoughts. I've got emails out to Phx Public Library and Scottsdale Public Library for rates/availability/etc. I'll post more when/if I know more.

HTH,

jrz

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From scott at illogics.org  Fri Oct 21 12:00:15 2005
From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 12:00:15 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Meeting room possibilities...
In-Reply-To: <20051021181335.60E6BC14D6@xprdmailfe25.nwk.excite.com>
References: <20051021181335.60E6BC14D6@xprdmailfe25.nwk.excite.com>
Message-ID: <20051021190015.GP15273@illogics.org>

Hi John,

There are a lot of good ideas in here. Many of them have already
been pointed out at one time or another, or are actively being
considered, or have recently been done. 

I think Brock might just be holding out, trying to get proper
meeting space at ASU, or something else we've been talking about
doing for a while. And Phoenix.PM tends to organize meetings at
a leisurely pace.

We certainly have meeting spaces we can use (see the Website at
phoenix.pm.org for a list of past locations), but we're trying to
circulate to more parts of the Valley to give more first-timers
an excuse to make a meeting, and we're looking for professional
digs to contrast the pizza joints, libraries, and coffee shops 
we've been winding up at. 

Also, it's easier to consider specific options -- like the 
George and Dragon pub in downtown Phoenix, or the Nello's in
downtown Scottsdale ;)

Still, this is a good starting point for summerizing options.

8. I'm pretty sure I can get some space (and a sponser) at Scottsdale
Community College, but I keep forgetting to ask.

9. http://www.azontherocks.com -- how does Phoenix.PM feel about
having a rock-climbing social meeting? $20 gets you a gear rental
and a day pass, and they show you the ropes (har har har) too. 
If we get about 8 people or so who want to do this, we can book
it as a party and save even more money. 

> 1. Most public libraries have meeting rooms, but they apparently
> charge for use, so depending on how flush we're feeling, this is
> a possibility.

They did downtown Scottsdale's library recently, I think. I missed that one.

> 3. ASU's library has study rooms, but I don't know how large they are. The library has never asked me for ID, but that may just be my professorial (ie. unkempt) appearance.

They're pretty small for our requirements. A coffee shop near campus, or 
the student union, might be options.

> 4. When I lived in an apartment, the apartment complex had a common room available at no charge, large enough for a good-size gathering, with some restrictions. But after 7 PM, the gate was closed and you had to buzz for admittance, a minor annoyance.

Too unprofessional, IMO. I'd sooner have everyone to the house ;)

> 5. When I lived in Silicon Valley, one of the Carls Jrs had a meeting room that they regularly made available to groups for meetings. Perhaps one or more fast food/restaurants would help out on their slow nights, if approached properly.

We recently did Nello's Pizza in North Scottsdale. The turn-out was great,
but Nellos had a few other large parties the same night at the same time, 
so we wound up waiting to be seated for a long time. That was just rotten
timing. And they don't take reservations, either.

There's a downtown Scottsdale Nello's now too, by the way.

One of the reasons I suggested Nello's before was their good beer selection,
with local micros on tap and about 20 beers in the cooler, but there are
apparently surprisingly few beer drinkers in Phoenix.PM.

> 6. I have no idea about how or how well the technology works, but would NetMeeting or something like it allow us to hold a virtual meeting ? If not, is there an entrepreneurial^H^H...^H^H, money-making possibility here, or an open source solution waiting for completion/contributions ?

We're dabbling with doing audio recordings (should set up proper podcast
feeds eventually) and I'm talking about doing video as well. There are a
lot of Linux users in the group (looks pretty fifty-fifty between Linux
and Windows), so if you say NetMeeting, you should probably say NetMeeting/
GnomeMeeting ;)

We did have an IRC "virtual" meeting once, and turn-out was poor. 

> 7. If we were in some way allied with some other group, perhaps we could piggyback on their already-reserved space. Broadening the charter to combine with the PHP group that meets at Walt's TV (already a sizable group) might cross-pollinate both groups, altho that may have already happened. There was a Python group, but they seem to have disbanded/died. Perhaps they could be included. And maybe start a Ruby group, just for the extra weight on the letterhead.

I don't want to redefine the group as being a splinter of another group (PLUG had also
been suggested in the past), but I've been advocating coinciding meetings with other
groups for just this effect -- cross-pollination. 
> 
> So, that's my thoughts. I've got emails out to Phx Public Library and Scottsdale Public Library for rates/availability/etc. I'll post more when/if I know more.

-scott

> 
> HTH,
> 
> jrz
> 
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From scott at illogics.org  Fri Oct 21 13:51:49 2005
From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 13:51:49 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] The employement escapades of Scott
Message-ID: <20051021205149.GZ12638@illogics.org>

Just in case anyone out there is actually amused by my antics (doubtful as
it is), here's the latest chapter: someone calls and leaves me a message
at home (with someone who foolishly picked up the telephone -- will
people never learn!?). I call them back (I should have known better). 
Now, I'm a consultant, and I establish that immediately. Not only
am I a consultant, but as far as they're concerned, I'm staying that way.
They interview me. They ask for an example of integration. They belittle 
it because the company was small. They ask for an example of a large dataset. 
They belittle it because it's offline. They never ask about high-profile
clients but I start to tell them just to shut them up. They interrupt me.
Of course, you don't interview consultants -- you hire them, or you 
ask for a proposal, and if you ask for a proposal, you accept it or ignore
it. 

The next day, they email me. My reply is below. The barbs included, among
other things, my description of having delt with plenty of fibrechannel,
load balancing, SSL acceleration etc, hardware, but never having employed
it for high-volume sites as the kind of dot coms that buy it generally
go out of business, suggesting I think they're going to go out of business. 

But the jokes on me. They emailed me telling me to call their CEO so they
can tell me I didn't get the job. I called the CEO to tell him I'd sent
as I didn't have his email address and wanted to him to know that his
underlings (Jeff, in this case) had a written explanation of why I was
refusing the position. His reply was, in a Brooklyn accent, "Yeah, I'm the 
CEO, I own the company, and they already got someone", and he hangs up. 
You can never be rude too early -- try to be nice and professional about
delivering a turn-down letter and they just beat you to the punch. Damnit.
I lose again.

Then there's the bigger picture -- the dot-coms startups are getting snotty 
again, acting like they're hot sh!t. Business has been picking up a little,
but the level of snottiness far exceeds the level of success of the little
bastads.

-scott

----- Forwarded message from Scott Walters <scott at illogics.org> -----

Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 13:32:52 -0700
From: Scott Walters <scott at illogics.org>
To: Jeff <Jeff at ....com>
Subject: Re: ..... group
Content-Disposition: inline
User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.5i

Hi Jeff,

After some reflection, I've concluded I don't have the time or energy to deal 
with this project. 

Sorry I didn't pick up the phone, but after the barbs I threw in return, I 
really didn't expect to hear back. 

I'm quite fond of my "mom and pop" businesses you spoke derisively of -- and
they represent real businesses, not dot-com speculation. Your average "mom
and pop" brick and morter store gone online drives more traffic than your
average dot-com. The little brick and morters I did in 1998 are still around. 
All of the dot-coms are gone. I have one "mom and pop" outfit in mind that
badly needs some performance tuning and profiling. I'm sure you guys won't
have any problem at all with the load. 

Since the slights of yesterday didn't cut it, maybe mean names will:  You goons
probably all golf and drive BMWs. Working with folks like that is fine if your
only ambition is to fund your own golf and BWM habits, which I lack. 

You may find that anyone who has programmed heavily since before the advent of
the Web will become irritable when questioned about their ability to do Web
programming.

Perhaps what hit my nerve was that you guys are about the third North
Scottsdale company this month to try to interview me unexpectedly -- and
the others, after using my time friviously, concluded "there are better Perl
programmers in the valley" -- yes, there are -- about two. We all hang out 
together and organize the local Perl users group. But I think you'll find a 
junior programmer, fresh out of school, to mesh better -- and be perfectly 
qualified to modify a Perl app. Heck, I may even turn you off to Perl all 
together. I'm sure you'll find Python and PHP programmers much more agreeable.
Us Perl programmers are mostly just grumpy old sysadmins and hackers with far
more interesting projects to work on -- like maintaining strong typing 
implementations for dynamic languages, and writing langauge backends to target
other VM's bytecodes. Busy, busy, busy!

Seriously, though, I wish you guys the best of luck with @Mail, if you decide
to use it, and with your project that you've worked so hard on. If you're
still shopping for a Perl programmer, please consider using http://jobs.perl.org,
which is considered _the_ place to go for Perl programmers. Oh, and there are
plenty of programmers with high-profile jobs on their resume who are complete
idiots -- when interviewing in the future, consider giving more attention to
actual accomplishments and less to employer names. 

Regards,
-scott

On  0, Jeff Mangan <Jeff at magentatech.com> wrote:
> 
>    Bob wants to talk with you, please call us at 480-216-3972 or
>    602-708-1250 ASAP.
>    
>    Thanks.

----- End forwarded message -----

From bwmetz at att.com  Fri Oct 21 16:32:15 2005
From: bwmetz at att.com (Metz, Bobby W, WCS)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 18:32:15 -0500
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Meeting room possibilities...
Message-ID: <01D5341D04A2E64AB9B3457690473367A7A255@OCCLUST01EVS1.ugd.att.com>

I'll ask my employer as well.  Security is a bit of a hassle and of
course the bathrooms are behind locked doors, so you'll have to hold it,
but I'll ask anyway.  Location is just off I-10 & Ray Rd. so a bit South
for some of you.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: phoenix-pm-bounces at pm.org [mailto:phoenix-pm-bounces at pm.org]On
Behalf Of Scott Walters
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 12:00 PM
To: John Zugel
Cc: phoenix-pm at pm.org
Subject: Re: [Phoenix-pm] Meeting room possibilities...


Hi John,

There are a lot of good ideas in here. Many of them have already
been pointed out at one time or another, or are actively being
considered, or have recently been done. 

I think Brock might just be holding out, trying to get proper
meeting space at ASU, or something else we've been talking about
doing for a while. And Phoenix.PM tends to organize meetings at
a leisurely pace.

We certainly have meeting spaces we can use (see the Website at
phoenix.pm.org for a list of past locations), but we're trying to
circulate to more parts of the Valley to give more first-timers
an excuse to make a meeting, and we're looking for professional
digs to contrast the pizza joints, libraries, and coffee shops 
we've been winding up at. 

Also, it's easier to consider specific options -- like the 
George and Dragon pub in downtown Phoenix, or the Nello's in
downtown Scottsdale ;)

Still, this is a good starting point for summerizing options.

8. I'm pretty sure I can get some space (and a sponser) at Scottsdale
Community College, but I keep forgetting to ask.

9. http://www.azontherocks.com -- how does Phoenix.PM feel about
having a rock-climbing social meeting? $20 gets you a gear rental
and a day pass, and they show you the ropes (har har har) too. 
If we get about 8 people or so who want to do this, we can book
it as a party and save even more money. 

> 1. Most public libraries have meeting rooms, but they apparently
> charge for use, so depending on how flush we're feeling, this is
> a possibility.

They did downtown Scottsdale's library recently, I think. I missed that
one.

> 3. ASU's library has study rooms, but I don't know how large they are.
The library has never asked me for ID, but that may just be my
professorial (ie. unkempt) appearance.

They're pretty small for our requirements. A coffee shop near campus, or

the student union, might be options.

> 4. When I lived in an apartment, the apartment complex had a common
room available at no charge, large enough for a good-size gathering,
with some restrictions. But after 7 PM, the gate was closed and you had
to buzz for admittance, a minor annoyance.

Too unprofessional, IMO. I'd sooner have everyone to the house ;)

> 5. When I lived in Silicon Valley, one of the Carls Jrs had a meeting
room that they regularly made available to groups for meetings. Perhaps
one or more fast food/restaurants would help out on their slow nights,
if approached properly.

We recently did Nello's Pizza in North Scottsdale. The turn-out was
great,
but Nellos had a few other large parties the same night at the same
time, 
so we wound up waiting to be seated for a long time. That was just
rotten
timing. And they don't take reservations, either.

There's a downtown Scottsdale Nello's now too, by the way.

One of the reasons I suggested Nello's before was their good beer
selection,
with local micros on tap and about 20 beers in the cooler, but there are
apparently surprisingly few beer drinkers in Phoenix.PM.

> 6. I have no idea about how or how well the technology works, but
would NetMeeting or something like it allow us to hold a virtual meeting
? If not, is there an entrepreneurial^H^H...^H^H, money-making
possibility here, or an open source solution waiting for
completion/contributions ?

We're dabbling with doing audio recordings (should set up proper podcast
feeds eventually) and I'm talking about doing video as well. There are a
lot of Linux users in the group (looks pretty fifty-fifty between Linux
and Windows), so if you say NetMeeting, you should probably say
NetMeeting/
GnomeMeeting ;)

We did have an IRC "virtual" meeting once, and turn-out was poor. 

> 7. If we were in some way allied with some other group, perhaps we
could piggyback on their already-reserved space. Broadening the charter
to combine with the PHP group that meets at Walt's TV (already a sizable
group) might cross-pollinate both groups, altho that may have already
happened. There was a Python group, but they seem to have
disbanded/died. Perhaps they could be included. And maybe start a Ruby
group, just for the extra weight on the letterhead.

I don't want to redefine the group as being a splinter of another group
(PLUG had also
been suggested in the past), but I've been advocating coinciding
meetings with other
groups for just this effect -- cross-pollination. 
> 
> So, that's my thoughts. I've got emails out to Phx Public Library and
Scottsdale Public Library for rates/availability/etc. I'll post more
when/if I know more.

-scott

> 
> HTH,
> 
> jrz
> 
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From awwaiid at thelackthereof.org  Fri Oct 21 16:50:39 2005
From: awwaiid at thelackthereof.org (Brock)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 16:50:39 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Meeting room possibilities...
In-Reply-To: <20051021190015.GP15273@illogics.org>
References: <20051021181335.60E6BC14D6@xprdmailfe25.nwk.excite.com>
	<20051021190015.GP15273@illogics.org>
Message-ID: <20051021235039.GN7251@thelackthereof.org>


No need to hypothesis -- being Brock I am in the unique position to tell
you what is going on in Brock's head. I am indeed holding out a bit for
a proper meeting place. I got a contact at SCC (Gerald Thurman) and am
waiting for a reply from there. I think Ben implied in another email on
this topic that he may not be able to get us a room at ASU as I had
hoped. I might go trowling again there anyway though.

I'm on my way out the door now, will respond to other parts of recent
threads later tonight or tomorrow :)

--Brock

On 2005.10.21.12.00, Scott Walters wrote:
| I think Brock might just be holding out, trying to get proper
| meeting space at ASU, or something else we've been talking about
| doing for a while. And Phoenix.PM tends to organize meetings at
| a leisurely pace.

From bwmetz at att.com  Mon Oct 24 12:44:16 2005
From: bwmetz at att.com (Metz, Bobby W, WCS)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 14:44:16 -0500
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Meeting room possibilities...
Message-ID: <01D5341D04A2E64AB9B3457690473367AACED3@OCCLUST01EVS1.ugd.att.com>

If no one minds coming to 50th St. & Ray Rd just off I-10, we can have a
meeting where I work.  Large room for presentations.  I'll work on
getting Inet access if you think we'd like to use this...not sure if
it's active in the room.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: Metz, Bobby W, WCS 
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 4:32 PM
To: 'Scott Walters'; John Zugel
Cc: phoenix-pm at pm.org
Subject: RE: [Phoenix-pm] Meeting room possibilities...


I'll ask my employer as well.  Security is a bit of a hassle and of
course the bathrooms are behind locked doors, so you'll have to hold it,
but I'll ask anyway.  Location is just off I-10 & Ray Rd. so a bit South
for some of you.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: phoenix-pm-bounces at pm.org [mailto:phoenix-pm-bounces at pm.org]On
Behalf Of Scott Walters
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 12:00 PM
To: John Zugel
Cc: phoenix-pm at pm.org
Subject: Re: [Phoenix-pm] Meeting room possibilities...


Hi John,

There are a lot of good ideas in here. Many of them have already
been pointed out at one time or another, or are actively being
considered, or have recently been done. 

I think Brock might just be holding out, trying to get proper
meeting space at ASU, or something else we've been talking about
doing for a while. And Phoenix.PM tends to organize meetings at
a leisurely pace.

We certainly have meeting spaces we can use (see the Website at
phoenix.pm.org for a list of past locations), but we're trying to
circulate to more parts of the Valley to give more first-timers
an excuse to make a meeting, and we're looking for professional
digs to contrast the pizza joints, libraries, and coffee shops 
we've been winding up at. 

Also, it's easier to consider specific options -- like the 
George and Dragon pub in downtown Phoenix, or the Nello's in
downtown Scottsdale ;)

Still, this is a good starting point for summerizing options.

8. I'm pretty sure I can get some space (and a sponser) at Scottsdale
Community College, but I keep forgetting to ask.

9. http://www.azontherocks.com -- how does Phoenix.PM feel about
having a rock-climbing social meeting? $20 gets you a gear rental
and a day pass, and they show you the ropes (har har har) too. 
If we get about 8 people or so who want to do this, we can book
it as a party and save even more money. 

> 1. Most public libraries have meeting rooms, but they apparently
> charge for use, so depending on how flush we're feeling, this is
> a possibility.

They did downtown Scottsdale's library recently, I think. I missed that
one.

> 3. ASU's library has study rooms, but I don't know how large they are.
The library has never asked me for ID, but that may just be my
professorial (ie. unkempt) appearance.

They're pretty small for our requirements. A coffee shop near campus, or

the student union, might be options.

> 4. When I lived in an apartment, the apartment complex had a common
room available at no charge, large enough for a good-size gathering,
with some restrictions. But after 7 PM, the gate was closed and you had
to buzz for admittance, a minor annoyance.

Too unprofessional, IMO. I'd sooner have everyone to the house ;)

> 5. When I lived in Silicon Valley, one of the Carls Jrs had a meeting
room that they regularly made available to groups for meetings. Perhaps
one or more fast food/restaurants would help out on their slow nights,
if approached properly.

We recently did Nello's Pizza in North Scottsdale. The turn-out was
great,
but Nellos had a few other large parties the same night at the same
time, 
so we wound up waiting to be seated for a long time. That was just
rotten
timing. And they don't take reservations, either.

There's a downtown Scottsdale Nello's now too, by the way.

One of the reasons I suggested Nello's before was their good beer
selection,
with local micros on tap and about 20 beers in the cooler, but there are
apparently surprisingly few beer drinkers in Phoenix.PM.

> 6. I have no idea about how or how well the technology works, but
would NetMeeting or something like it allow us to hold a virtual meeting
? If not, is there an entrepreneurial^H^H...^H^H, money-making
possibility here, or an open source solution waiting for
completion/contributions ?

We're dabbling with doing audio recordings (should set up proper podcast
feeds eventually) and I'm talking about doing video as well. There are a
lot of Linux users in the group (looks pretty fifty-fifty between Linux
and Windows), so if you say NetMeeting, you should probably say
NetMeeting/
GnomeMeeting ;)

We did have an IRC "virtual" meeting once, and turn-out was poor. 

> 7. If we were in some way allied with some other group, perhaps we
could piggyback on their already-reserved space. Broadening the charter
to combine with the PHP group that meets at Walt's TV (already a sizable
group) might cross-pollinate both groups, altho that may have already
happened. There was a Python group, but they seem to have
disbanded/died. Perhaps they could be included. And maybe start a Ruby
group, just for the extra weight on the letterhead.

I don't want to redefine the group as being a splinter of another group
(PLUG had also
been suggested in the past), but I've been advocating coinciding
meetings with other
groups for just this effect -- cross-pollination. 
> 
> So, that's my thoughts. I've got emails out to Phx Public Library and
Scottsdale Public Library for rates/availability/etc. I'll post more
when/if I know more.

-scott

> 
> HTH,
> 
> jrz
> 
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From benjamin.trussell at asu.edu  Mon Oct 24 14:03:16 2005
From: benjamin.trussell at asu.edu (Benjamin Trussell)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 14:03:16 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Meeting room possibilities...
Message-ID: <037FF41095AD394DB28A3991559A0FB48DAE82@EX04.asurite.ad.asu.edu>

I've got an extra 802.11b router I could bring along to set up a wifi
hotspot, if you can get permission from your work to do so (if needed).


Ben

-----Original Message-----
From: phoenix-pm-bounces at pm.org [mailto:phoenix-pm-bounces at pm.org] On
Behalf Of Metz, Bobby W, WCS
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 12:44 PM
To: phoenix-pm at pm.org
Subject: Re: [Phoenix-pm] Meeting room possibilities...

If no one minds coming to 50th St. & Ray Rd just off I-10, we can have a
meeting where I work.  Large room for presentations.  I'll work on
getting Inet access if you think we'd like to use this...not sure if
it's active in the room.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: Metz, Bobby W, WCS 
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 4:32 PM
To: 'Scott Walters'; John Zugel
Cc: phoenix-pm at pm.org
Subject: RE: [Phoenix-pm] Meeting room possibilities...


I'll ask my employer as well.  Security is a bit of a hassle and of
course the bathrooms are behind locked doors, so you'll have to hold it,
but I'll ask anyway.  Location is just off I-10 & Ray Rd. so a bit South
for some of you.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: phoenix-pm-bounces at pm.org [mailto:phoenix-pm-bounces at pm.org]On
Behalf Of Scott Walters
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 12:00 PM
To: John Zugel
Cc: phoenix-pm at pm.org
Subject: Re: [Phoenix-pm] Meeting room possibilities...


Hi John,

There are a lot of good ideas in here. Many of them have already
been pointed out at one time or another, or are actively being
considered, or have recently been done. 

I think Brock might just be holding out, trying to get proper
meeting space at ASU, or something else we've been talking about
doing for a while. And Phoenix.PM tends to organize meetings at
a leisurely pace.

We certainly have meeting spaces we can use (see the Website at
phoenix.pm.org for a list of past locations), but we're trying to
circulate to more parts of the Valley to give more first-timers
an excuse to make a meeting, and we're looking for professional
digs to contrast the pizza joints, libraries, and coffee shops 
we've been winding up at. 

Also, it's easier to consider specific options -- like the 
George and Dragon pub in downtown Phoenix, or the Nello's in
downtown Scottsdale ;)

Still, this is a good starting point for summerizing options.

8. I'm pretty sure I can get some space (and a sponser) at Scottsdale
Community College, but I keep forgetting to ask.

9. http://www.azontherocks.com -- how does Phoenix.PM feel about
having a rock-climbing social meeting? $20 gets you a gear rental
and a day pass, and they show you the ropes (har har har) too. 
If we get about 8 people or so who want to do this, we can book
it as a party and save even more money. 

> 1. Most public libraries have meeting rooms, but they apparently
> charge for use, so depending on how flush we're feeling, this is
> a possibility.

They did downtown Scottsdale's library recently, I think. I missed that
one.

> 3. ASU's library has study rooms, but I don't know how large they are.
The library has never asked me for ID, but that may just be my
professorial (ie. unkempt) appearance.

They're pretty small for our requirements. A coffee shop near campus, or

the student union, might be options.

> 4. When I lived in an apartment, the apartment complex had a common
room available at no charge, large enough for a good-size gathering,
with some restrictions. But after 7 PM, the gate was closed and you had
to buzz for admittance, a minor annoyance.

Too unprofessional, IMO. I'd sooner have everyone to the house ;)

> 5. When I lived in Silicon Valley, one of the Carls Jrs had a meeting
room that they regularly made available to groups for meetings. Perhaps
one or more fast food/restaurants would help out on their slow nights,
if approached properly.

We recently did Nello's Pizza in North Scottsdale. The turn-out was
great,
but Nellos had a few other large parties the same night at the same
time, 
so we wound up waiting to be seated for a long time. That was just
rotten
timing. And they don't take reservations, either.

There's a downtown Scottsdale Nello's now too, by the way.

One of the reasons I suggested Nello's before was their good beer
selection,
with local micros on tap and about 20 beers in the cooler, but there are
apparently surprisingly few beer drinkers in Phoenix.PM.

> 6. I have no idea about how or how well the technology works, but
would NetMeeting or something like it allow us to hold a virtual meeting
? If not, is there an entrepreneurial^H^H...^H^H, money-making
possibility here, or an open source solution waiting for
completion/contributions ?

We're dabbling with doing audio recordings (should set up proper podcast
feeds eventually) and I'm talking about doing video as well. There are a
lot of Linux users in the group (looks pretty fifty-fifty between Linux
and Windows), so if you say NetMeeting, you should probably say
NetMeeting/
GnomeMeeting ;)

We did have an IRC "virtual" meeting once, and turn-out was poor. 

> 7. If we were in some way allied with some other group, perhaps we
could piggyback on their already-reserved space. Broadening the charter
to combine with the PHP group that meets at Walt's TV (already a sizable
group) might cross-pollinate both groups, altho that may have already
happened. There was a Python group, but they seem to have
disbanded/died. Perhaps they could be included. And maybe start a Ruby
group, just for the extra weight on the letterhead.

I don't want to redefine the group as being a splinter of another group
(PLUG had also
been suggested in the past), but I've been advocating coinciding
meetings with other
groups for just this effect -- cross-pollination. 
> 
> So, that's my thoughts. I've got emails out to Phx Public Library and
Scottsdale Public Library for rates/availability/etc. I'll post more
when/if I know more.

-scott

> 
> HTH,
> 
> jrz
> 
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From andypm at exiledplanet.org  Mon Oct 24 22:43:02 2005
From: andypm at exiledplanet.org (Andrew Johnson)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 05:43:02 +0000
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Meeting room possibilities...
Message-ID: <20051025054431.CWSC16347.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@COM>

"Location is just off I-10 & Ray Rd. so a bit South for
some of you" is like saying "Phoenix is a little warm in
the summer."  Though I do support the idea of multiple meeting
locations.  The valley is just so _big_, I think we have
to face the fact that not everyone is going to be able to
come to every meeting.  However, if overall attendance goes
up, IMHO it's worth it to get more people involved. 

Perhaps instead of a normal podcast or video we should look
into "enhanced podcasts" for the meetings.  These are audio
tracks with slides/screenshots attached.  I'm not clear
on the format specifics yet.  Worst case scenario, we could
just post an MP3 w/a slideshow in an appropriate format
(PDF?).  It would require a relatively quiet meeting place,
though. 

[aj]


"Metz, Bobby W, WCS" <bwmetz at att.com> wrote:
__________
>I'll ask my employer as well.  Security is a bit of a hassle
and of 
>course the bathrooms are behind locked doors, so you'll
have to hold it, 
>but I'll ask anyway.  Location is just off I-10 & Ray Rd.
so a bit South 
>for some of you.
>
>Bobby
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: phoenix-pm-bounces at pm.org [mailto:phoenix-pm-bounces at pm.or
]On 
>Behalf Of Scott Walters
>Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 12:00 PM
>To: John Zugel
>Cc: phoenix-pm at pm.org
>Subject: Re: [Phoenix-pm] Meeting room possibilities...
>
>
>Hi John,
>
>There are a lot of good ideas in here. Many of them have already
>been pointed out at one time or another, or are actively being
>considered, or have recently been done. 
>
>I think Brock might just be holding out, trying to get proper
>meeting space at ASU, or something else we've been talking about
>doing for a while. And Phoenix.PM tends to organize meetings at
>a leisurely pace.
>
>We certainly have meeting spaces we can use (see the Website at
>phoenix.pm.org for a list of past locations), but we're
trying to 
>circulate to more parts of the Valley to give more first-timers
>an excuse to make a meeting, and we're looking for professional
>digs to contrast the pizza joints, libraries, and coffee shops 
>we've been winding up at. 
>
>Also, it's easier to consider specific options -- like the 
>George and Dragon pub in downtown Phoenix, or the Nello's in
>downtown Scottsdale ;)
>
>Still, this is a good starting point for summerizing options.
>
>8. I'm pretty sure I can get some space (and a sponser)
at Scottsdale 
>Community College, but I keep forgetting to ask.
>
>9. http://www.azontherocks.com -- how does Phoenix.PM feel about
>having a rock-climbing social meeting? $20 gets you a gear
rental 
>and a day pass, and they show you the ropes (har har har) too. 
>If we get about 8 people or so who want to do this, we can book
>it as a party and save even more money. 
>
>> 1. Most public libraries have meeting rooms, but they
apparently 
>> charge for use, so depending on how flush we're feeling,
this is 
>> a possibility.
>
>They did downtown Scottsdale's library recently, I think.
I missed that 
>one.
>
>> 3. ASU's library has study rooms, but I don't know how
large they are. 
>The library has never asked me for ID, but that may just be my
>professorial (ie. unkempt) appearance.
>
>They're pretty small for our requirements. A coffee shop
near campus, or 
>
>the student union, might be options.
>
>> 4. When I lived in an apartment, the apartment complex
had a common 
>room available at no charge, large enough for a good-size
gathering, 
>with some restrictions. But after 7 PM, the gate was closed
and you had 
>to buzz for admittance, a minor annoyance.
>
>Too unprofessional, IMO. I'd sooner have everyone to the
house ;) 
>
>> 5. When I lived in Silicon Valley, one of the Carls Jrs
had a meeting 
>room that they regularly made available to groups for meetings.
Perhaps 
>one or more fast food/restaurants would help out on their
slow nights, 
>if approached properly.
>
>We recently did Nello's Pizza in North Scottsdale. The
turn-out was 
>great,
>but Nellos had a few other large parties the same night
at the same 
>time, 
>so we wound up waiting to be seated for a long time. That
was just 
>rotten
>timing. And they don't take reservations, either.
>
>There's a downtown Scottsdale Nello's now too, by the way.
>
>One of the reasons I suggested Nello's before was their
good beer 
>selection,
>with local micros on tap and about 20 beers in the cooler,
but there are 
>apparently surprisingly few beer drinkers in Phoenix.PM.
>
>> 6. I have no idea about how or how well the technology
works, but 
>would NetMeeting or something like it allow us to hold
a virtual meeting 
>? If not, is there an entrepreneurial^H^H...^H^H, money-making
>possibility here, or an open source solution waiting for
>completion/contributions ?
>
>We're dabbling with doing audio recordings (should set
up proper podcast 
>feeds eventually) and I'm talking about doing video as
well. There are a 
>lot of Linux users in the group (looks pretty fifty-fifty
between Linux 
>and Windows), so if you say NetMeeting, you should probably say
>NetMeeting/
>GnomeMeeting ;)
>
>We did have an IRC "virtual" meeting once, and turn-out
was poor.  
>
>> 7. If we were in some way allied with some other group,
perhaps we 
>could piggyback on their already-reserved space. Broadening
the charter 
>to combine with the PHP group that meets at Walt's TV (already
a sizable 
>group) might cross-pollinate both groups, altho that may
have already 
>happened. There was a Python group, but they seem to have
>disbanded/died. Perhaps they could be included. And maybe
start a Ruby 
>group, just for the extra weight on the letterhead.
>
>I don't want to redefine the group as being a splinter
of another group 
>(PLUG had also
>been suggested in the past), but I've been advocating coinciding
>meetings with other
>groups for just this effect -- cross-pollination. 
>> 
>> So, that's my thoughts. I've got emails out to Phx Public
Library and 
>Scottsdale Public Library for rates/availability/etc. I'll
post more 
>when/if I know more.
>
>-scott
>
>> 
>> HTH,
>> 
>> jrz
>> 
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From awwaiid at thelackthereof.org  Mon Oct 24 22:51:58 2005
From: awwaiid at thelackthereof.org (Brock)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 22:51:58 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Meeting room possibilities...
In-Reply-To: <01D5341D04A2E64AB9B3457690473367AACED3@OCCLUST01EVS1.ugd.att.com>
References: <01D5341D04A2E64AB9B3457690473367AACED3@OCCLUST01EVS1.ugd.att.com>
Message-ID: <20051025055158.GR7251@thelackthereof.org>


I for one am happy to come down there (this is in or near Ahwatukee).
How about others? I know some might not be able to come, but thats what
floating meetings are for! So yes, Bobby, please find out about
internet. We love internet.

I'm still waiting for a reply from SCC contact, I'll send a reminder to
him tomorrow. I'm also talking to Der Hans about his friends at the
Sequoia Charter School, who apparently have locations spread throughout
the valley and like us open-source types.

--Brock

On 2005.10.24.14.44, Metz, Bobby W, WCS wrote:
| If no one minds coming to 50th St. & Ray Rd just off I-10, we can have a
| meeting where I work.  Large room for presentations.  I'll work on
| getting Inet access if you think we'd like to use this...not sure if
| it's active in the room.
| 
| Bobby


From awwaiid at thelackthereof.org  Mon Oct 24 23:04:36 2005
From: awwaiid at thelackthereof.org (Brock)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 23:04:36 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Meeting room possibilities...
In-Reply-To: <20051025054431.CWSC16347.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@COM>
References: <20051025054431.CWSC16347.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@COM>
Message-ID: <20051025060436.GT7251@thelackthereof.org>


vnc2swf.py Lets me attach audio to screen captures. I love screenshot
movies, have I mentioned that? There are some .oggs of the last meeting
on the website, though they seem to get cut off and are a bit too-high
of quality (cutting them back to 16 or 8-bit would decrease the size
significantly, while remaining quite listenable I believe). They were
recorded in the noisy atmosphere of CounterCulture, but turned out
really well (thanks Scott!).

--Brock

On 2005.10.25.05.43, Andrew Johnson wrote:
| "Location is just off I-10 & Ray Rd. so a bit South for
| some of you" is like saying "Phoenix is a little warm in
| the summer."  Though I do support the idea of multiple meeting
| locations.  The valley is just so _big_, I think we have
| to face the fact that not everyone is going to be able to
| come to every meeting.  However, if overall attendance goes
| up, IMHO it's worth it to get more people involved. 
| 
| Perhaps instead of a normal podcast or video we should look
| into "enhanced podcasts" for the meetings.  These are audio
| tracks with slides/screenshots attached.  I'm not clear
| on the format specifics yet.  Worst case scenario, we could
| just post an MP3 w/a slideshow in an appropriate format
| (PDF?).  It would require a relatively quiet meeting place,
| though. 
| 
| [aj]

From awwaiid at thelackthereof.org  Mon Oct 24 23:01:08 2005
From: awwaiid at thelackthereof.org (Brock)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 23:01:08 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Meeting room possibilities...
In-Reply-To: <20051021190015.GP15273@illogics.org>
References: <20051021181335.60E6BC14D6@xprdmailfe25.nwk.excite.com>
	<20051021190015.GP15273@illogics.org>
Message-ID: <20051025060108.GS7251@thelackthereof.org>

On 2005.10.21.12.00, Scott Walters wrote:
| 9. http://www.azontherocks.com -- how does Phoenix.PM feel about
| having a rock-climbing social meeting? $20 gets you a gear rental
| and a day pass, and they show you the ropes (har har har) too. 
| If we get about 8 people or so who want to do this, we can book
| it as a party and save even more money. 

I've never been rock-climbing, but would be happy to try. You organize
it and count me in :)

| > 1. Most public libraries have meeting rooms, but they apparently
| > charge for use, so depending on how flush we're feeling, this is
| > a possibility.
| 
| They did downtown Scottsdale's library recently, I think. I missed that one.

It worked out really well but costs $30 per session. If someone else
wants to donate some $$ then we can go back there (other libraries offer
similar deals at similar prices. They are much cheaper for official
nonprofits, but The Perl Foundation didn't respond to my inquiries about
us falling under them. I have a nonprofit of my own, but the paperwork
hasn't gone through yet).

| > 3. ASU's library has study rooms, but I don't know how large they are. The library has never asked me for ID, but that may just be my professorial (ie. unkempt) appearance.
| 
| They're pretty small for our requirements. A coffee shop near campus, or 
| the student union, might be options.

Ya.

| > 4. When I lived in an apartment, the apartment complex had a common room available at no charge, large enough for a good-size gathering, with some restrictions. But after 7 PM, the gate was closed and you had to buzz for admittance, a minor annoyance.
| 
| Too unprofessional, IMO. I'd sooner have everyone to the house ;)

I agree.

| > 5. When I lived in Silicon Valley, one of the Carls Jrs had a meeting room that they regularly made available to groups for meetings. Perhaps one or more fast food/restaurants would help out on their slow nights, if approached properly.
| 
| We recently did Nello's Pizza in North Scottsdale. The turn-out was great,
| but Nellos had a few other large parties the same night at the same time, 
| so we wound up waiting to be seated for a long time. That was just rotten
| timing. And they don't take reservations, either.
| 
| There's a downtown Scottsdale Nello's now too, by the way.
| 
| One of the reasons I suggested Nello's before was their good beer selection,
| with local micros on tap and about 20 beers in the cooler, but there are
| apparently surprisingly few beer drinkers in Phoenix.PM.

Carl's Jrs had meeting rooms? How weird. We will return to Nellos or
similar before I miss a monthly meeting again, I promise. But for
presentations and discussions everyone can hear it is a bit difficult in
that sort of environment.

| > 6. I have no idea about how or how well the technology works, but would NetMeeting or something like it allow us to hold a virtual meeting ? If not, is there an entrepreneurial^H^H...^H^H, money-making possibility here, or an open source solution waiting for completion/contributions ?
| 
| We're dabbling with doing audio recordings (should set up proper podcast
| feeds eventually) and I'm talking about doing video as well. There are a
| lot of Linux users in the group (looks pretty fifty-fifty between Linux
| and Windows), so if you say NetMeeting, you should probably say NetMeeting/
| GnomeMeeting ;)
| 
| We did have an IRC "virtual" meeting once, and turn-out was poor. 

Yeah... thats what perlmonks is for! More or less. I think that at this
point I've worked out the technology for audio and screen-capture-video
recordings to go up after a meeting (had a glich in the last one that
kept it from working, but figured it out now).

| > 7. If we were in some way allied with some other group, perhaps we could piggyback on their already-reserved space. Broadening the charter to combine with the PHP group that meets at Walt's TV (already a sizable group) might cross-pollinate both groups, altho that may have already happened. There was a Python group, but they seem to have disbanded/died. Perhaps they could be included. And maybe start a Ruby group, just for the extra weight on the letterhead.
| 
| I don't want to redefine the group as being a splinter of another group (PLUG had also
| been suggested in the past), but I've been advocating coinciding meetings with other
| groups for just this effect -- cross-pollination. 

The PLUG (http://plug.phoenix.az.us/) Developers meeting is Thursday
November 3rd! Once again I plan on going... though I planned on going
for the last three months and haven't yet. AzPHP (http://azphp.org) is
tomorrow night. Any other cool developer-oriented meetings in the
valley? PLUG-DEV invites us to do perl presentations, they are getting
tired of java people dominating their discussions :)

--Brock


From andypm at exiledplanet.org  Tue Oct 25 00:47:25 2005
From: andypm at exiledplanet.org (Andrew Johnson)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 00:47:25 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Meeting room possibilities...
In-Reply-To: <20051025060436.GT7251@thelackthereof.org>
References: <20051025054431.CWSC16347.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@COM>
	<20051025060436.GT7251@thelackthereof.org>
Message-ID: <435DE30D.30807@exiledplanet.org>

A little bit more research reveals to me that the "enhanced podcast" 
concept, while a nice one, is probably too proprietary to be useful for 
our group.  (Specially, it's an Apple iTunes/iPod technology, wrapped in 
their AAC file format.)  However, I have viewed SWF audio+slideshows to 
good effect, so perhaps that route would be more acceptable, especially 
since it seems Brock is already familiar with it.  SWF players 
(including the highly annoying Macromedia Flash) are more ubiquitous 
than iTunes, and the SWF format is at least partially open.

[aj]

Brock wrote:

>vnc2swf.py Lets me attach audio to screen captures. I love screenshot
>movies, have I mentioned that? There are some .oggs of the last meeting
>on the website, though they seem to get cut off and are a bit too-high
>of quality (cutting them back to 16 or 8-bit would decrease the size
>significantly, while remaining quite listenable I believe). They were
>recorded in the noisy atmosphere of CounterCulture, but turned out
>really well (thanks Scott!).
>
>--Brock
>
>On 2005.10.25.05.43, Andrew Johnson wrote:
>| "Location is just off I-10 & Ray Rd. so a bit South for
>| some of you" is like saying "Phoenix is a little warm in
>| the summer."  Though I do support the idea of multiple meeting
>| locations.  The valley is just so _big_, I think we have
>| to face the fact that not everyone is going to be able to
>| come to every meeting.  However, if overall attendance goes
>| up, IMHO it's worth it to get more people involved. 
>| 
>| Perhaps instead of a normal podcast or video we should look
>| into "enhanced podcasts" for the meetings.  These are audio
>| tracks with slides/screenshots attached.  I'm not clear
>| on the format specifics yet.  Worst case scenario, we could
>| just post an MP3 w/a slideshow in an appropriate format
>| (PDF?).  It would require a relatively quiet meeting place,
>| though. 
>| 
>| [aj]
>  
>


From awwaiid at thelackthereof.org  Tue Oct 25 08:09:20 2005
From: awwaiid at thelackthereof.org (Brock)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 08:09:20 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] [gdt@deru.com: Re: Perl Monger meetings at SCC]
Message-ID: <20051025150920.GA30198@thelackthereof.org>


Any objections to meeting at SCC on Wed Nov 16 @7:00pm? If I don't hear
some objections soon I'm going to reserve the location. I don't know
about amenities like inernet, but we can deal with whatever they've got.

--Brock

----- Forwarded message from "Gerald D. Thurman" <gdt at deru.com> -----

Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 07:55:37 -0700 (MST)
From: "Gerald D. Thurman" <gdt at deru.com>
To: Brock <awwaiid at thelackthereof.org>
Subject: Re: Perl Monger meetings at SCC

On Sat, 22 Oct 2005, Brock wrote:

> Wed Nov 16 @7:00pm would both be great. 
>
I have a room available -- should I book it?

Thurman

----- End forwarded message -----


From scott at illogics.org  Tue Oct 25 09:21:57 2005
From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 09:21:57 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] [gdt@deru.com: Re: Perl Monger meetings at SCC]
In-Reply-To: <20051025150920.GA30198@thelackthereof.org>
References: <20051025150920.GA30198@thelackthereof.org>
Message-ID: <20051025162157.GZ15273@illogics.org>

As a suggestion, take a tally of people that think they can make it rather
than a tally of people who think they can't. It's always the case that
more people won't be able to make it than will, and experience has shown that
catering to a few who can't make it makes for smaller meetings. We seem
to sometimes have these senarios where Fred can't make it as Wed at 7pm, but
instead asks that the meeting be held on Saturday at 5am in Guadalupe, and
these suggestions are given entirely too much consideration. Anyway, that dumb
example illustrates the fallacy. Also, people who can't make it any random night
are also more likely to not be able to make it on the night they thought they
could, so Fred wouldn't even show up after he got the meeting changed.

-scott


On  0, Brock <awwaiid at thelackthereof.org> wrote:
> 
> Any objections to meeting at SCC on Wed Nov 16 @7:00pm? If I don't hear
> some objections soon I'm going to reserve the location. I don't know
> about amenities like inernet, but we can deal with whatever they've got.
> 
> --Brock
> 
> ----- Forwarded message from "Gerald D. Thurman" <gdt at deru.com> -----
> 
> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 07:55:37 -0700 (MST)
> From: "Gerald D. Thurman" <gdt at deru.com>
> To: Brock <awwaiid at thelackthereof.org>
> Subject: Re: Perl Monger meetings at SCC
> 
> On Sat, 22 Oct 2005, Brock wrote:
> 
> > Wed Nov 16 @7:00pm would both be great. 
> >
> I have a room available -- should I book it?
> 
> Thurman
> 
> ----- End forwarded message -----
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Phoenix-pm mailing list
> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm

From bwmetz at att.com  Tue Oct 25 09:17:44 2005
From: bwmetz at att.com (Metz, Bobby W, WCS)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 11:17:44 -0500
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Meeting room possibilities...
Message-ID: <01D5341D04A2E64AB9B3457690473367AAD668@OCCLUST01EVS1.ugd.att.com>

I'll work it out.  Due to the convenience factor, we can probably expect
two to four others from my company to attend as well.

B

-----Original Message-----
From: Brock [mailto:awwaiid at thelackthereof.org]
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 10:52 PM
To: Metz, Bobby W, WCS
Cc: phoenix-pm at pm.org
Subject: Re: [Phoenix-pm] Meeting room possibilities...



I for one am happy to come down there (this is in or near Ahwatukee).
How about others? I know some might not be able to come, but thats what
floating meetings are for! So yes, Bobby, please find out about
internet. We love internet.

I'm still waiting for a reply from SCC contact, I'll send a reminder to
him tomorrow. I'm also talking to Der Hans about his friends at the
Sequoia Charter School, who apparently have locations spread throughout
the valley and like us open-source types.

--Brock

On 2005.10.24.14.44, Metz, Bobby W, WCS wrote:
| If no one minds coming to 50th St. & Ray Rd just off I-10, we can have
a
| meeting where I work.  Large room for presentations.  I'll work on
| getting Inet access if you think we'd like to use this...not sure if
| it's active in the room.
| 
| Bobby


From awwaiid at thelackthereof.org  Tue Oct 25 10:01:56 2005
From: awwaiid at thelackthereof.org (Brock)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:01:56 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] [gdt@deru.com: Re: Perl Monger meetings at SCC]
In-Reply-To: <20051025162157.GZ15273@illogics.org>
References: <20051025150920.GA30198@thelackthereof.org>
	<20051025162157.GZ15273@illogics.org>
Message-ID: <20051025170156.GB30198@thelackthereof.org>


Excellent suggestion, thanks.

Who can come to SCC on Wed Nov 16 @7:00pm? I certainly can :)

Of course, as a self-suggestion, the topic itself might be a factor for
some folks. Thus lets also have a topic discussion. I offer to do a
beginner level "From Packages to Objects -- Introduction to Objects in
Perl" (though I may need some help prepping for best-practice things).

--Brock

On 2005.10.25.09.21, Scott Walters wrote:
| As a suggestion, take a tally of people that think they can make it rather
| than a tally of people who think they can't. It's always the case that
| more people won't be able to make it than will, and experience has shown that
| catering to a few who can't make it makes for smaller meetings. We seem
| to sometimes have these senarios where Fred can't make it as Wed at 7pm, but
| instead asks that the meeting be held on Saturday at 5am in Guadalupe, and
| these suggestions are given entirely too much consideration. Anyway, that dumb
| example illustrates the fallacy. Also, people who can't make it any random night
| are also more likely to not be able to make it on the night they thought they
| could, so Fred wouldn't even show up after he got the meeting changed.
| 
| -scott
| 
| 
| On  0, Brock <awwaiid at thelackthereof.org> wrote:
| > 
| > Any objections to meeting at SCC on Wed Nov 16 @7:00pm? If I don't hear
| > some objections soon I'm going to reserve the location. I don't know
| > about amenities like inernet, but we can deal with whatever they've got.
| > 
| > --Brock
| > 
| > ----- Forwarded message from "Gerald D. Thurman" <gdt at deru.com> -----
| > 
| > Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 07:55:37 -0700 (MST)
| > From: "Gerald D. Thurman" <gdt at deru.com>
| > To: Brock <awwaiid at thelackthereof.org>
| > Subject: Re: Perl Monger meetings at SCC
| > 
| > On Sat, 22 Oct 2005, Brock wrote:
| > 
| > > Wed Nov 16 @7:00pm would both be great. 
| > >
| > I have a room available -- should I book it?
| > 
| > Thurman
| > 
| > ----- End forwarded message -----
| > 
| > _______________________________________________
| > Phoenix-pm mailing list
| > Phoenix-pm at pm.org
| > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm

From scott at illogics.org  Tue Oct 25 10:35:24 2005
From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:35:24 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] [gdt@deru.com: Re: Perl Monger meetings at SCC]
In-Reply-To: <20051025170156.GB30198@thelackthereof.org>
References: <20051025150920.GA30198@thelackthereof.org>
	<20051025162157.GZ15273@illogics.org>
	<20051025170156.GB30198@thelackthereof.org>
Message-ID: <20051025173523.GA15273@illogics.org>

I think I can make it. Given the excellence of your last intro talk,
I strongly encourage you to do the swf mp3+slides trick. What happened
with the vnc2flash trick, anyway?

I could present some fun, miscellanous intermediate thingie, but I'm
interested to see what else is out there. 

-scott

On  0, Brock <awwaiid at thelackthereof.org> wrote:
> 
> Excellent suggestion, thanks.
> 
> Who can come to SCC on Wed Nov 16 @7:00pm? I certainly can :)
> 
> Of course, as a self-suggestion, the topic itself might be a factor for
> some folks. Thus lets also have a topic discussion. I offer to do a
> beginner level "From Packages to Objects -- Introduction to Objects in
> Perl" (though I may need some help prepping for best-practice things).
> 
> --Brock
> 
> On 2005.10.25.09.21, Scott Walters wrote:
> | As a suggestion, take a tally of people that think they can make it rather
> | than a tally of people who think they can't. It's always the case that
> | more people won't be able to make it than will, and experience has shown that
> | catering to a few who can't make it makes for smaller meetings. We seem
> | to sometimes have these senarios where Fred can't make it as Wed at 7pm, but
> | instead asks that the meeting be held on Saturday at 5am in Guadalupe, and
> | these suggestions are given entirely too much consideration. Anyway, that dumb
> | example illustrates the fallacy. Also, people who can't make it any random night
> | are also more likely to not be able to make it on the night they thought they
> | could, so Fred wouldn't even show up after he got the meeting changed.
> | 
> | -scott
> | 
> | 
> | On  0, Brock <awwaiid at thelackthereof.org> wrote:
> | > 
> | > Any objections to meeting at SCC on Wed Nov 16 @7:00pm? If I don't hear
> | > some objections soon I'm going to reserve the location. I don't know
> | > about amenities like inernet, but we can deal with whatever they've got.
> | > 
> | > --Brock
> | > 
> | > ----- Forwarded message from "Gerald D. Thurman" <gdt at deru.com> -----
> | > 
> | > Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 07:55:37 -0700 (MST)
> | > From: "Gerald D. Thurman" <gdt at deru.com>
> | > To: Brock <awwaiid at thelackthereof.org>
> | > Subject: Re: Perl Monger meetings at SCC
> | > 
> | > On Sat, 22 Oct 2005, Brock wrote:
> | > 
> | > > Wed Nov 16 @7:00pm would both be great. 
> | > >
> | > I have a room available -- should I book it?
> | > 
> | > Thurman
> | > 
> | > ----- End forwarded message -----
> | > 
> | > _______________________________________________
> | > Phoenix-pm mailing list
> | > Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> | > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
> _______________________________________________
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> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
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From andypm at exiledplanet.org  Tue Oct 25 12:49:00 2005
From: andypm at exiledplanet.org (andypm@exiledplanet.org)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 12:49:00 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] [gdt@deru.com: Re: Perl Monger meetings at SCC]
Message-ID: <9432614.1130269802146.JavaMail.teamon@b217.teamon.com>

Count me in, if I can find the place.  :-)

[aj]

Brock <awwaiid at thelackthereof.org> wrote:
__________
>
>Excellent suggestion, thanks.
>
>Who can come to SCC on Wed Nov 16 @7:00pm? I certainly can :)
>
>Of course, as a self-suggestion, the topic itself might be a factor for
>some folks. Thus lets also have a topic discussion. I offer to do a
>beginner level "From Packages to Objects -- Introduction to Objects in
>Perl" (though I may need some help prepping for best-practice things).
>
>--Brock
>
>On 2005.10.25.09.21, Scott Walters wrote:
>| As a suggestion, take a tally of people that think they can make it rather
>| than a tally of people who think they can't. It's always the case that
>| more people won't be able to make it than will, and experience has shown that
>| catering to a few who can't make it makes for smaller meetings. We seem
>| to sometimes have these senarios where Fred can't make it as Wed at 7pm, but
>| instead asks that the meeting be held on Saturday at 5am in Guadalupe, and
>| these suggestions are given entirely too much consideration. Anyway, that dumb
>| example illustrates the fallacy. Also, people who can't make it any random night
>| are also more likely to not be able to make it on the night they thought they
>| could, so Fred wouldn't even show up after he got the meeting changed.
>| 
>| -scott
>| 
>| 
>| On  0, Brock <awwaiid at thelackthereof.org> wrote:
>| > 
>| > Any objections to meeting at SCC on Wed Nov 16 @7:00pm? If I don't hear
>| > some objections soon I'm going to reserve the location. I don't know
>| > about amenities like inernet, but we can deal with whatever they've got.
>| > 
>| > --Brock
>| > 
>| > ----- Forwarded message from "Gerald D. Thurman" <gdt at deru.com> -----
>| > 
>| > Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 07:55:37 -0700 (MST)
>| > From: "Gerald D. Thurman" <gdt at deru.com>
>| > To: Brock <awwaiid at thelackthereof.org>
>| > Subject: Re: Perl Monger meetings at SCC
>| > 
>| > On Sat, 22 Oct 2005, Brock wrote:
>| > 
>| > > Wed Nov 16 @7:00pm would both be great. 
>| > >
>| > I have a room available -- should I book it?
>| > 
>| > Thurman
>| > 
>| > ----- End forwarded message -----
>| > 
>| > _______________________________________________
>| > Phoenix-pm mailing list
>| > Phoenix-pm at pm.org
>| > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
>_______________________________________________
>Phoenix-pm mailing list
>Phoenix-pm at pm.org
>http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm


From jzugel at excite.com  Wed Oct 26 13:42:28 2005
From: jzugel at excite.com (John Zugel)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 16:42:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Meeting at SCC on Wednesday 16 Nov...
Message-ID: <20051026204228.41036B6C4@xprdmailfe19.nwk.excite.com>



Count me in.

John Zugel

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From benjamin.trussell at asu.edu  Thu Oct 27 00:42:34 2005
From: benjamin.trussell at asu.edu (Ben)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 00:42:34 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Meeting at SCC on Wednesday 16 Nov...
In-Reply-To: <20051026204228.41036B6C4@xprdmailfe19.nwk.excite.com>
References: <20051026204228.41036B6C4@xprdmailfe19.nwk.excite.com>
Message-ID: <436084EA.3040405@asu.edu>

Count me in also.

Ben

John Zugel wrote:

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>
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>
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From Peter.Loo at bannerhealth.com  Fri Oct 28 15:24:21 2005
From: Peter.Loo at bannerhealth.com (Loo, Peter)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 15:24:21 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] DBI::ODBC and NET::FTP modules
Message-ID: <54B11B8F032D284890092AC8E3194BC22BAC6D@PHX01067.bhs.bannerhealth.com>

Hi All,
 
I have just downloaded the two PERL modules from search.cpan.org and am
attempting to install them on a Windows 2003 server.  I am not too
familiar with Windows so can someone please tell me where I can find the
Unix "make" equivalent to complete my installation.
 
I completed the run of "perl Makefile.PL" and the output is as follows:
 
D:\perl\lib\DBI-1.48>perl Makefile.PL
 
*** You are using a perl configured with threading enabled.
*** You should be aware that using multiple threads is
*** not recommended for production environments.
 
*** Note:
    The optional PlRPC-modules (RPC::PlServer etc) are not installed.
    If you want to use the DBD::Proxy driver and DBI::ProxyServer
    modules, then you'll need to install the RPC::PlServer,
RPC::PlClient,
    Storable and Net::Daemon modules. The CPAN Bundle::DBI may help you.
    You can install them any time after installing the DBI.
    You do *not* need these modules for typical DBI usage.
 
Optional modules are available from any CPAN mirror, in particular
    http://search.cpan.org/
    http://www.perl.com/CPAN/modules/by-module
    http://www.perl.org/CPAN/modules/by-module
    ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/languages/perl/CPAN/modules/by-module
 
*** You're using Microsoft Visual C++ compiler but the LIB and INCLUDE
environme
nt
    variables are not both set. If you have 'unresolved external symbol'
    errors during linking, run the vcvars32.bat batch file to set up
your
    LIB and INCLUDE environment variables, and try again.
    A copy of vcvars32.bat can typically be found in the following
    directories under your Visual Studio install directory:
        Visual C++ 6.0:     vc98\bin
        Visual Studio .NET: vc7\bin
 
Creating DBI::PurePerl    test variant: t/zvpp_01basics.t
Creating DBI::PurePerl    test variant: t/zvpp_02dbidrv.t
Creating DBI::PurePerl    test variant: t/zvpp_03handle.t
Creating DBI::PurePerl    test variant: t/zvpp_04mods.t
Creating DBI::PurePerl    test variant: t/zvpp_05thrclone.t (use
threads)
Creating DBI::PurePerl    test variant: t/zvpp_06attrs.t
Creating DBI::PurePerl    test variant: t/zvpp_07kids.t
Creating DBI::PurePerl    test variant: t/zvpp_08keeperr.t
Creating DBI::PurePerl    test variant: t/zvpp_09trace.t
Creating DBI::PurePerl    test variant: t/zvpp_10examp.t
Creating DBI::PurePerl    test variant: t/zvpp_11fetch.t
Creating DBI::PurePerl    test variant: t/zvpp_14utf8.t
Creating DBI::PurePerl    test variant: t/zvpp_15array.t
Creating DBI::PurePerl    test variant: t/zvpp_20meta.t
Creating DBI::PurePerl    test variant: t/zvpp_30subclass.t
Creating DBI::PurePerl    test variant: t/zvpp_40profile.t
Creating DBI::PurePerl    test variant: t/zvpp_41prof_dump.t
Creating DBI::PurePerl    test variant: t/zvpp_42prof_data.t
Creating DBI::PurePerl    test variant: t/zvpp_50dbm.t
Creating DBI::PurePerl    test variant: t/zvpp_60preparse.t
Creating DBI::PurePerl    test variant: t/zvpp_80proxy.t
Checking if your kit is complete...
Looks good
 
Warning: By default new modules are installed into your 'site_lib'
         directories. Since site_lib directories come after the normal
library
         directories you must delete old DBI files and directories from
your
         'privlib' and 'archlib' directories and their auto
subdirectories.
 
Reinstall DBI and your DBD::* drivers after deleting the old
directories.
 
Here's a list of probable old files and directories:
 
 D:/perl/lib/DBI-1.48
 D:/perl/lib/DBI-1.48/Changes
 D:/perl/lib/DBI-1.48/DBI.pm
 D:/perl/lib/DBI-1.48/DBI.xs
 D:/perl/lib/DBI-1.48/DBIXS.h
 D:/perl/lib/DBI-1.48/Driver.xst
 D:/perl/lib/DBI-1.48/Driver_xst.h
 D:/perl/lib/DBI-1.48/MANIFEST
 D:/perl/lib/DBI-1.48/META.yml
 D:/perl/lib/DBI-1.48/Makefile.PL
 D:/perl/lib/DBI-1.48/Perl.xs
 D:/perl/lib/DBI-1.48/README
 D:/perl/lib/DBI-1.48/Roadmap.pod
 D:/perl/lib/DBI-1.48/ToDo
 D:/perl/lib/DBI-1.48/dbd_xsh.h
 D:/perl/lib/DBI-1.48/dbi_sql.h
 D:/perl/lib/DBI-1.48/dbipport.h
 D:/perl/lib/DBI-1.48/dbiprof.PL
 D:/perl/lib/DBI-1.48/dbiproxy.PL
 D:/perl/lib/DBI-1.48/dbivport.h
 D:/perl/lib/DBI-1.48/ex
 D:/perl/lib/DBI-1.48/ex/perl_dbi_nulls_test.pl
 D:/perl/lib/DBI-1.48/lib
 D:/perl/lib/DBI-1.48/lib/Bundle
 D:/perl/lib/DBI-1.48/lib/Bundle/DBI.pm
 D:/perl/lib/DBI-1.48/lib/DBD
 D:/perl/lib/DBI-1.48/lib/DBD/DBM.pm
 D:/perl/lib/DBI-1.48/lib/DBD/ExampleP.pm
 D:/perl/lib/DBI-1.48/lib/DBD/File.pm
 D:/perl/lib/DBI-1.48/lib/DBD/NullP.pm
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 D:/perl/lib/DBI-1.48/lib/DBD/Sponge.pm
 D:/perl/lib/DBI-1.48/lib/DBI
 D:/perl/lib/DBI-1.48/lib/DBI/Const
 D:/perl/lib/DBI-1.48/lib/DBI/Const/GetInfo
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 D:/perl/lib/DBI-1.48/lib/DBI/DBD
 D:/perl/lib/DBI-1.48/lib/DBI/DBD.pm
 D:/perl/lib/DBI-1.48/lib/DBI/DBD/Metadata.pm
 D:/perl/lib/DBI-1.48/lib/DBI/FAQ.pm
 D:/perl/lib/DBI-1.48/lib/DBI/Profile.pm
 D:/perl/lib/DBI-1.48/lib/DBI/ProfileData.pm
 D:/perl/lib/DBI-1.48/lib/DBI/ProfileDumper
 D:/perl/lib/DBI-1.48/lib/DBI/ProfileDumper.pm
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 D:/perl/lib/DBI-1.48/lib/DBI/ProxyServer.pm
 D:/perl/lib/DBI-1.48/lib/DBI/PurePerl.pm
 D:/perl/lib/DBI-1.48/lib/DBI/SQL
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 D:/perl/lib/DBI-1.48/lib/Win32
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    I see you're using perl 5.008004 on MSWin32-x86-multi-thread, okay.
    Remember to actually *read* the README file!
    Use  'make' to build the software (dmake or nmake on Windows).
    Then 'make test' to execute self tests.
    Then 'make install' to install the DBI and then delete this working
    directory before unpacking and building any DBD::* drivers.
 
    Windows users need to use the correct make command.
    That may be nmake or dmake depending on which Perl you are using.
    If using the Win32 ActiveState build then it is recommended that you
    use the ppm utility to fetch and install a prebuilt DBI instead.
 
Writing Makefile for DBI
 
Thank you.
 
Peter Loo
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