From scott at illogics.org Mon May 24 06:41:25 2004 From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:35:05 2004 Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Perl6::Contexts Message-ID: <20040524114124.GP120@illogics.org> Okey, Perl6::Contexts is on CPAN, with support for boolean, integer, scalar, numeric, and reference contexts. Use it with Want for maxiumum effect. Also note that arrays and hashes as arguments to methods and functions get scalar context, causing them to turn into references to themselves, for true pass-by-refererence semantics. It's about time! http://www.cpan.org/modules/by-module/Perl6/Perl6-Contexts-0.1.readme http://www.cpan.org/modules/by-module/Perl6/Perl6-Contexts-0.1.tar.gz Feedback welcome! -scott From swessels at usgn.net Mon May 24 17:36:23 2004 From: swessels at usgn.net (Scott Wessels) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:35:05 2004 Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Perl Programmer Needed Message-ID: <00c401c441df$8b709460$f964a8c0@laptop2> Greetings all, My company, USGN (www.usglobal.net), is seeking a programmer proficient in the mysteries of Perl. If you are a guru, or just know some good voodoo, please contact me with a resume and if possible code samples. Regards, Scott Wessels CTO USGN (602) 745 2492 Office (480) 330 4084 Cell From doug at phoenixinternet.com Thu May 27 22:38:16 2004 From: doug at phoenixinternet.com (Douglas E. Miles) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:35:05 2004 Subject: [Phoenix-pm] test Message-ID: <40B6B428.4040504@phoenixinternet.com> test From perlguy at earthlink.net Thu May 27 22:50:18 2004 From: perlguy at earthlink.net (Douglas E. Miles) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:35:05 2004 Subject: [Phoenix-pm] test 2 Message-ID: <40B6B6FA.4060508@earthlink.net> test 2 From lug at phxlinux.org Wed May 26 16:34:57 2004 From: lug at phxlinux.org (Matt Alexander) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:35:05 2004 Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Job opportunity for someone that loves to parse text Message-ID: The company I work for is looking for a Perl programmer. The majority of the work will be writing scripts to parse text. Some of the work will be working with an OCR SDK program to improve OCR results. If you're interested, please email me your resume. Thanks, ~Matt From perlguy at earthlink.net Wed May 26 12:04:43 2004 From: perlguy at earthlink.net (Douglas E. Miles) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:35:05 2004 Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Win32::OLE Question Message-ID: <40B4CE2B.1000300@earthlink.net> Hi All! I'm trying to understand what is returned by the Value method called from a Cell object. It looks to me like the return should be a Variant, but my test program below proves otherwise. It appears that only dates are returned as Variants, and everything else is returned as a scalar. Is my above assumtion wrong, or is there some Perl Magic(TM) going on here? The problem I'm trying to solve is to figure out if a number is in the cell. Also, I'd just like to understand how it all works. Any of you Windows guys want to give a Linux guy a hand? :) #!/usr/bin/perl use strict; use warnings; use Win32::OLE; use Win32::OLE::Const 'Microsoft Excel'; $Win32::OLE::Warn = 3; # Die on errors. my $spreadsheet_filename = shift; my $excel = Win32::OLE->GetActiveObject('Excel.Application') || Win32::OLE->new('Excel.Application', 'Quit'); my $workbook = $excel->Workbooks->Open($spreadsheet_filename); my $worksheet = $workbook->Worksheets(1); my $used_range = $worksheet->UsedRange; my $max_row = $used_range->Rows->Count; my $max_col = $used_range->Columns->Count; foreach my $row (1..$max_row) { foreach my $col (1..$max_col) { my $cell = $worksheet->Cells($row,$col); print ref($cell) . ": $cell\n"; my $value = $cell->Value; print ref($value) . ": $value\n"; } } $workbook->Close; From doug at phoenixinternet.com Mon May 31 17:45:41 2004 From: doug at phoenixinternet.com (Douglas E. Miles) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:35:05 2004 Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Meeting 06/03/2004 Message-ID: <40BBB595.1000401@phoenixinternet.com> It looks like the list is working again. I'd like to get a meeting together this Thursday. Any volunteers? Let me know what you want to present, and what equipment (if any) you need. From perlguy at earthlink.net Tue May 4 19:08:39 2004 From: perlguy at earthlink.net (Douglas E. Miles) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:20 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Meeting 05/06/2004 Message-ID: <40983087.7030306@earthlink.net> Please RSVP... We'll be having a Phoenix.pm meeting Thursday, April 1st at 7:00PM. It will be held at Bowne, which is located at 1500 N. Central Avenue, which is on the Southwest corner of Central and McDowell. The parking lot is gated, so just press the button on the intercom, and tell the receptionist that you are there for the Perl meeting. Park in the lot that is straight ahead from the entrance on the South side of McDowell. Park in any uncovered, non-reserved space. Proceed to the main lobby, which is on the Northeast side of the parking lot. Scott will be talking about Perl 6 features available for Perl 5. Tim or I might also present, or we'll just hang out. :) From scott at illogics.org Tue May 4 19:06:40 2004 From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:21 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Meeting 05/06/2004 Message-ID: <20040505000639.GS120@illogics.org> > We'll be having a Phoenix.pm meeting Thursday, April 1st at 7:00PM. Reverse April fools joke? Or cut-and-paste-itus? ;) "Perl 6 features available for Perl 5" includes, this time: * Perl6::Variables, again * Pointy Subroutines * zip * Currying * Perhaps other things as I revise this ;) -scott On 0, "Douglas E. Miles" wrote: > > Please RSVP... > > We'll be having a Phoenix.pm meeting Thursday, April 1st at 7:00PM. > It will be held at Bowne, which is located at 1500 N. Central Avenue, > which is on the Southwest corner of Central and McDowell. The parking > lot is gated, so just press the button on the intercom, and tell the > receptionist that you are there for the Perl meeting. Park in the lot > that is straight ahead from the entrance on the South side of McDowell. > Park in any uncovered, non-reserved space. Proceed to the main lobby, > which is on the Northeast side of the parking lot. > > Scott will be talking about Perl 6 features available for Perl 5. Tim > or I might also present, or we'll just hang out. :) > > From perlguy at earthlink.net Tue May 4 22:16:28 2004 From: perlguy at earthlink.net (Douglas E. Miles) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:21 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Meeting 05/06/2004 In-Reply-To: <20040505000639.GS120@illogics.org> References: <20040505000639.GS120@illogics.org> Message-ID: <40985C8C.1020603@earthlink.net> Scott Walters wrote: >>We'll be having a Phoenix.pm meeting Thursday, April 1st at 7:00PM. > > > Reverse April fools joke? Or cut-and-paste-itus? ;) cut-and-paste-itus. That's what I get for worring more about whether or not the message will go through, than the message itself. :) The meeting is May 6th. From friedman at highwire.stanford.edu Wed May 5 12:12:53 2004 From: friedman at highwire.stanford.edu (Michael Friedman) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:21 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Meeting 05/06/2004 In-Reply-To: <40985C8C.1020603@earthlink.net> References: <20040505000639.GS120@illogics.org> <40985C8C.1020603@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <722AEBA1-9EB7-11D8-8F09-000A956CAA2C@highwire.stanford.edu> But but but... that's the last episode of "Friends"! Not to make TV more important than learning about Perl, but I already have a social engagement for tomorrow. :-( Any chance of moving the meeting to next week? -- Mike On May 4, 2004, at 8:16 PM, Douglas E. Miles wrote: > Scott Walters wrote: >>> We'll be having a Phoenix.pm meeting Thursday, April 1st at 7:00PM. >> Reverse April fools joke? Or cut-and-paste-itus? ;) > > cut-and-paste-itus. That's what I get for worring more about whether > or not the message will go through, than the message itself. :) The > meeting is May 6th. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Friedman HighWire Press, Stanford Southwest Phone: 480-456-0880 Tempe, Arizona FAX: 270-721-8034 --------------------------------------------------------------------- From jasonriedel at jasonriedel.com Wed May 5 12:45:54 2004 From: jasonriedel at jasonriedel.com (Jason Riedel) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:21 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Perl Meeting 5/6 Message-ID: <004601c432c8$e2564890$d6021eac@corp.cableone.net> What is the topic ? Jason Riedel -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/archives/phoenix-pm/attachments/20040505/8f22c8e2/attachment.htm From aj at exiledplanet.org Thu May 6 03:45:03 2004 From: aj at exiledplanet.org (Andrew Johnson) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:21 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Meeting 05/06/2004 In-Reply-To: <40985C8C.1020603@earthlink.net> References: <20040505000639.GS120@illogics.org> <40985C8C.1020603@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4099FB0F.7030500@exiledplanet.org> Douglas E. Miles wrote: > Scott Walters wrote: > >>> We'll be having a Phoenix.pm meeting Thursday, April 1st at 7:00PM. >> >> >> >> Reverse April fools joke? Or cut-and-paste-itus? ;) > > > cut-and-paste-itus. That's what I get for worring more about whether > or not the message will go through, than the message itself. :) The > meeting is May 6th. > I plan to attend. And /hope/ there's no repeat of April 1. I worked 15 hours that day... :-( From scott at illogics.org Thu May 6 04:28:53 2004 From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:21 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Meeting 05/06/2004 Message-ID: <20040506092852.GW120@illogics.org> Replying to everything at once... Someone wanted to know if we could reschedule - I haven't seen a flood of RSVPs, and it's fine with me, but that has to go through Doug. Direct it to him. Someone else asked what the topic was - Tim might be presenting. I've heard mention of what his topic might be but I'm not sure I ever heard what it actually would be so I can't comment. Direct that to Tim ;) My topic is Perl6-isms available for Perl 5, either backported or available as CPAN modules. This is the 2nd part in an, oh, say, 3 part series. I hope Andrew can attend to. It's been a while ;) -scott On 0, Andrew Johnson wrote: > > > Douglas E. Miles wrote: > > > Scott Walters wrote: > > > >>> We'll be having a Phoenix.pm meeting Thursday, April 1st at 7:00PM. > >> > >> > >> > >> Reverse April fools joke? Or cut-and-paste-itus? ;) > > > > > > cut-and-paste-itus. That's what I get for worring more about whether > > or not the message will go through, than the message itself. :) The > > meeting is May 6th. > > > I plan to attend. And /hope/ there's no repeat of April 1. I worked 15 > hours that day... :-( > From aj at exiledplanet.org Thu May 6 12:33:00 2004 From: aj at exiledplanet.org (Andrew Johnson) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:21 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Meeting 05/06/2004 Message-ID: <200405061733.i46HXMr32265@mail.pm.org> I'm OK with rescheduling for next week if everyone else is. From bwmetz at att.com Thu May 6 13:06:20 2004 From: bwmetz at att.com (Metz, Bobby W, WCS) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:21 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Meeting 05/06/2004 Message-ID: <456FD0E7B215B24ABBAD711614E4A7A208392126@OCCLUST03EVS1.ugd.att.com> I vote yes, but I'm a newbie so the vote may be moot. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: owner-phoenix-pm-list@pm.org [mailto:owner-phoenix-pm-list@pm.org]On Behalf Of Andrew Johnson Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 10:33 AM To: phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org Subject: Re: Phoenix.pm: Meeting 05/06/2004 I'm OK with rescheduling for next week if everyone else is. From scott at illogics.org Thu May 6 14:51:08 2004 From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:21 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: YAPC Message-ID: <20040506195108.GZ120@illogics.org> Anyone thinking about YAPC? Details at yetanother.org. It's the Perl Con associated with the Perl Mongers organization (headed up by Yet Another Society). Buffalo, New York! I'm taking Greyhound if I go, hopefully with an 11 hour battery life ;) -scott From scott at illogics.org Thu May 6 14:55:44 2004 From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:21 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: YAPC Message-ID: <20040506195543.GB120@illogics.org> Oh yeah, it is also comparitively inexpensive, at $70 a head I think. YAPC, I mean. -scott On 0, Scott Walters wrote: > > Anyone thinking about YAPC? Details at yetanother.org. It's the Perl Con > associated with the Perl Mongers organization (headed up by Yet Another > Society). Buffalo, New York! > > I'm taking Greyhound if I go, hopefully with an 11 hour battery life ;) > > -scott > > From billn at billn.net Thu May 6 15:21:16 2004 From: billn at billn.net (Bill Nash) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:21 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: YAPC In-Reply-To: <20040506195108.GZ120@illogics.org> Message-ID: I've already booked flight and hotel for this. You can expect Cashner and I to be getting sauced and terrorizing Uri. I expect Yaakov will make it a hoot as well. And in case anyone missed the discussion, folding knives smaller than 3 inches are fine to carry in NY state as long as they aren't visible. I won't be able to take my ASP, though. SOGs, Leatherman, and Gerber tools should be fine to carry as well. Not that we're planning on taking anything apart, but never underestimate the ability of nerds and beer in large quantities. - billn On Thu, 6 May 2004, Scott Walters wrote: > Anyone thinking about YAPC? Details at yetanother.org. It's the Perl Con > associated with the Perl Mongers organization (headed up by Yet Another > Society). Buffalo, New York! > > I'm taking Greyhound if I go, hopefully with an 11 hour battery life ;) > > -scott > > From scott at illogics.org Thu May 6 16:03:17 2004 From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:21 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Meeting date stands, list problems, etc Message-ID: <20040506210316.GC120@illogics.org> Hi, Just got a phone call from Doug Miles. The list apparently isn't accepting his messages. We've had trouble with the list before. Anyway, he says he can't make any other date this month so he is going to procede with tonight merely for that reason. This has nothing to do with the number of votes for or against the or the fact that some people might have less of a vote or any such nonsense ;) One way or another, we're going to get this list fixed before too long here. This is getting nutty. -scott From friedman at highwire.stanford.edu Thu May 6 16:44:59 2004 From: friedman at highwire.stanford.edu (Michael Friedman) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:21 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Meeting date stands, list problems, etc In-Reply-To: <20040506210316.GC120@illogics.org> References: <20040506210316.GC120@illogics.org> Message-ID: <9F4F0A71-9FA6-11D8-AB27-000A956CAA2C@highwire.stanford.edu> Cool. I was wondering if he could read the list at his office. I'll see if I can work around my plans -- there's always videotape. Perl 6 in Perl 5 is a fascinating topic. Thanks, -- Mike On May 6, 2004, at 2:03 PM, Scott Walters wrote: > Hi, > > Just got a phone call from Doug Miles. The list apparently > isn't accepting his messages. We've had trouble with the list before. > Anyway, he says he can't make any other date this month so he is > going to procede with tonight merely for that reason. This has > nothing to do with the number of votes for or against the or the > fact that some people might have less of a vote or any such nonsense ;) > One way or another, we're going to get this list fixed before too > long here. This is getting nutty. > > -scott > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Friedman HighWire Press, Stanford Southwest Phone: 480-456-0880 Tempe, Arizona FAX: 270-721-8034 --------------------------------------------------------------------- From m at phxlinux.org Thu May 6 17:22:43 2004 From: m at phxlinux.org (Matt Alexander) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:21 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: LWP POST problems Message-ID: I'm trying to post a URL-encoded character as part of the input to a website using LWP. Here's a code example: $browser = LWP::UserAgent->new(); %formvars = ('somevar' => '%FC'); $response = $browser->post($url, \%formvars); When I run the code above I get a message from the CGI script on the server saying that '%' can't be used in the input field. It works fine, however, when I post an ASCII character that doesn't need to be encoded. Using curl, I can post to the server and get the desired results: curl http://somewebsite.com -d somevar="%FC" Any suggestions on how to get LWP to work the same as curl? Thanks, ~M From aj at exiledplanet.org Thu May 6 17:47:00 2004 From: aj at exiledplanet.org (Andrew Johnson) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:21 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Meeting date stands, list problems, etc Message-ID: <200405062247.i46MlVr03384@mail.pm.org> Scott Walters wrote: __________ >Hi, > >Just got a phone call from Doug Miles. The list apparently >isn't accepting his messages. We've had trouble with the list before. >Anyway, he says he can't make any other date this month so he is >going to procede with tonight merely for that reason. l'll see you guys there! From eden.li at asu.edu Thu May 6 17:56:11 2004 From: eden.li at asu.edu (Eden Li) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:21 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: LWP POST problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <409AC28B.4030409@asu.edu> According to LWP::UserAgent (and HTTP::Request::Common) docs, it appears that the quoted field does in fact get quoted correctly. Have you tried using a web browser to input these values yourself? It's possible curl is doing something strange with that % sign that you may not know about. Here's an excerpt from HTTP::Request::Common docs (which is used by LWP::UserAgent) POST 'http://www.perl.org/survey.cgi', [ name => 'Gisle Aas', email => 'gisle@aas.no', gender => 'M', born => '1964', perc => '3%', ]; This will create a HTTP::Request object that looks like this: POST http://www.perl.org/survey.cgi Content-Length: 66 Content-Type: application/x-www-form-urlencoded name=Gisle%20Aas&email=gisle%40aas.no&gender=M&born=1964&perc=3%25 Hope this helps... eden Matt Alexander wrote: > I'm trying to post a URL-encoded character as part of the input to a > website using LWP. Here's a code example: > > $browser = LWP::UserAgent->new(); > %formvars = ('somevar' => '%FC'); > $response = $browser->post($url, \%formvars); > > When I run the code above I get a message from the CGI script on the > server saying that '%' can't be used in the input field. It works fine, > however, when I post an ASCII character that doesn't need to be encoded. > > Using curl, I can post to the server and get the desired results: > > curl http://somewebsite.com -d somevar="%FC" > > Any suggestions on how to get LWP to work the same as curl? > Thanks, > ~M From m at phxlinux.org Thu May 6 18:15:03 2004 From: m at phxlinux.org (Matt Alexander) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:21 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: LWP POST problems In-Reply-To: <409AC28B.4030409@asu.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 6 May 2004, Eden Li wrote: > According to LWP::UserAgent (and HTTP::Request::Common) docs, it appears > that the quoted field does in fact get quoted correctly. Have you tried > using a web browser to input these values yourself? It's possible curl > is doing something strange with that % sign that you may not know about. > > Here's an excerpt from HTTP::Request::Common docs (which is used by > LWP::UserAgent) > > POST 'http://www.perl.org/survey.cgi', > [ name => 'Gisle Aas', > email => 'gisle@aas.no', > gender => 'M', > born => '1964', > perc => '3%', > ]; > > This will create a HTTP::Request object that looks like this: > > POST http://www.perl.org/survey.cgi > Content-Length: 66 > Content-Type: application/x-www-form-urlencoded > > name=Gisle%20Aas&email=gisle%40aas.no&gender=M&born=1964&perc=3%25 Mozilla has no problem when I input special characters and when I use the Live HTTP Headers Mozilla plugin to watch the HTTP session, I see that Mozilla has encoded the character correctly in the headers. I can't think of anything that curl would be doing that's strange since the POST works as it should and the server responds correctly. Is there a way to output the LWP headers as they are sent to the server? Then I could at least verify that LWP is creating the POST correctly before the server receives it. Thanks, ~M From wlindley at wlindley.com Thu May 6 18:28:25 2004 From: wlindley at wlindley.com (Bill Lindley) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:21 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Meeting date stands, list problems, etc In-Reply-To: <9F4F0A71-9FA6-11D8-AB27-000A956CAA2C@highwire.stanford.edu> References: <20040506210316.GC120@illogics.org> <9F4F0A71-9FA6-11D8-AB27-000A956CAA2C@highwire.stanford.edu> Message-ID: <409ACA19.9010700@wlindley.com> Bob and I are on our way down there this evening, so I hope y'all will be there... From scott at illogics.org Thu May 6 18:30:40 2004 From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:21 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: LWP POST problems Message-ID: <20040506233040.GK120@illogics.org> This is one of the few areas where I've rolled my own code since other solutions are way overkill and have pathologically abstract interfaces. So I can only watch the disucssion and cringe ;) -scott On 0, Matt Alexander wrote: > > On Thu, 6 May 2004, Eden Li wrote: > > > According to LWP::UserAgent (and HTTP::Request::Common) docs, it appears > > that the quoted field does in fact get quoted correctly. Have you tried > > using a web browser to input these values yourself? It's possible curl > > is doing something strange with that % sign that you may not know about. > > > > Here's an excerpt from HTTP::Request::Common docs (which is used by > > LWP::UserAgent) > > > > POST 'http://www.perl.org/survey.cgi', > > [ name => 'Gisle Aas', > > email => 'gisle@aas.no', > > gender => 'M', > > born => '1964', > > perc => '3%', > > ]; > > > > This will create a HTTP::Request object that looks like this: > > > > POST http://www.perl.org/survey.cgi > > Content-Length: 66 > > Content-Type: application/x-www-form-urlencoded > > > > name=Gisle%20Aas&email=gisle%40aas.no&gender=M&born=1964&perc=3%25 > > > Mozilla has no problem when I input special characters and when I use the > Live HTTP Headers Mozilla plugin to watch the HTTP session, I see that > Mozilla has encoded the character correctly in the headers. > > I can't think of anything that curl would be doing that's strange since > the POST works as it should and the server responds correctly. > > Is there a way to output the LWP headers as they are sent to the server? > Then I could at least verify that LWP is creating the POST correctly > before the server receives it. > Thanks, > ~M > From scott at illogics.org Thu May 6 18:38:06 2004 From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:21 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Meeting date stands, list problems, etc Message-ID: <20040506233806.GM120@illogics.org> That's the plan. On 0, Bill Lindley wrote: > > Bob and I are on our way down there this evening, so I hope y'all will > be there... > > From friedman at highwire.stanford.edu Thu May 6 18:40:21 2004 From: friedman at highwire.stanford.edu (Michael Friedman) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:21 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Meeting date stands, list problems, etc In-Reply-To: <9F4F0A71-9FA6-11D8-AB27-000A956CAA2C@highwire.stanford.edu> References: <20040506210316.GC120@illogics.org> <9F4F0A71-9FA6-11D8-AB27-000A956CAA2C@highwire.stanford.edu> Message-ID: OK, plans changed. I'll be at the meeting tonight. -- Mike On May 6, 2004, at 2:44 PM, Michael Friedman wrote: > Cool. I was wondering if he could read the list at his office. > > I'll see if I can work around my plans -- there's always videotape. > Perl 6 in Perl 5 is a fascinating topic. > > Thanks, > -- Mike > > On May 6, 2004, at 2:03 PM, Scott Walters wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Just got a phone call from Doug Miles. The list apparently >> isn't accepting his messages. We've had trouble with the list before. >> Anyway, he says he can't make any other date this month so he is >> going to procede with tonight merely for that reason. This has >> nothing to do with the number of votes for or against the or the >> fact that some people might have less of a vote or any such nonsense >> ;) >> One way or another, we're going to get this list fixed before too >> long here. This is getting nutty. >> >> -scott >> >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Michael Friedman HighWire Press, Stanford Southwest > Phone: 480-456-0880 Tempe, Arizona > FAX: 270-721-8034 > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Friedman HighWire Press, Stanford Southwest Phone: 480-456-0880 Tempe, Arizona FAX: 270-721-8034 --------------------------------------------------------------------- From eden.li at asu.edu Thu May 6 18:50:39 2004 From: eden.li at asu.edu (Eden Li) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:21 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: LWP POST problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <409ACF4F.6090604@asu.edu> I *think* you can do this: use LWP::Debug qw(+); before you requre LWP::UserAgent. Matt Alexander wrote: > Is there a way to output the LWP headers as they are sent to the server? > Then I could at least verify that LWP is creating the POST correctly > before the server receives it. > Thanks, From scott at illogics.org Thu May 6 19:05:19 2004 From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:21 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Meeting date stands, list problems, etc Message-ID: <20040507000518.GP120@illogics.org> I'll throw "Perl Template Toolkit", O'Reilly, to the wolves tonight if we get a reasonable quorum of wolves. I got a pile of review copies of books from ORA a while back - not things I'd have bought myself but they're all new releases. -scott On 0, Michael Friedman wrote: > > OK, plans changed. I'll be at the meeting tonight. > > -- Mike > > On May 6, 2004, at 2:44 PM, Michael Friedman wrote: > > > Cool. I was wondering if he could read the list at his office. > > > > I'll see if I can work around my plans -- there's always videotape. > > Perl 6 in Perl 5 is a fascinating topic. > > > > Thanks, > > -- Mike > > > > On May 6, 2004, at 2:03 PM, Scott Walters wrote: > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> Just got a phone call from Doug Miles. The list apparently > >> isn't accepting his messages. We've had trouble with the list before. > >> Anyway, he says he can't make any other date this month so he is > >> going to procede with tonight merely for that reason. This has > >> nothing to do with the number of votes for or against the or the > >> fact that some people might have less of a vote or any such nonsense > >> ;) > >> One way or another, we're going to get this list fixed before too > >> long here. This is getting nutty. > >> > >> -scott > >> > >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Michael Friedman HighWire Press, Stanford Southwest > > Phone: 480-456-0880 Tempe, Arizona > > FAX: 270-721-8034 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Michael Friedman HighWire Press, Stanford Southwest > Phone: 480-456-0880 Tempe, Arizona > FAX: 270-721-8034 > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > From bwmetz at att.com Fri May 7 10:21:44 2004 From: bwmetz at att.com (Metz, Bobby W, WCS) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:21 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Meeting date stands, list problems, etc Message-ID: <456FD0E7B215B24ABBAD711614E4A7A2083C7808@OCCLUST03EVS1.ugd.att.com> Scott, You wouldn't by chance have "Perl & LWP" in that pile of review copies would you? Also, is this group registered as an O'Reilly User Group? I hear you can get 20% off O'Reilly books if you belong to an O'Reilly User Group or register your group as one. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: owner-phoenix-pm-list@pm.org [mailto:owner-phoenix-pm-list@pm.org]On Behalf Of Scott Walters Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 5:05 PM To: phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org Subject: Re: Phoenix.pm: Meeting date stands, list problems, etc I'll throw "Perl Template Toolkit", O'Reilly, to the wolves tonight if we get a reasonable quorum of wolves. I got a pile of review copies of books from ORA a while back - not things I'd have bought myself but they're all new releases. -scott On 0, Michael Friedman wrote: > > OK, plans changed. I'll be at the meeting tonight. > > -- Mike > > On May 6, 2004, at 2:44 PM, Michael Friedman wrote: > > > Cool. I was wondering if he could read the list at his office. > > > > I'll see if I can work around my plans -- there's always videotape. > > Perl 6 in Perl 5 is a fascinating topic. > > > > Thanks, > > -- Mike > > > > On May 6, 2004, at 2:03 PM, Scott Walters wrote: > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> Just got a phone call from Doug Miles. The list apparently > >> isn't accepting his messages. We've had trouble with the list before. > >> Anyway, he says he can't make any other date this month so he is > >> going to procede with tonight merely for that reason. This has > >> nothing to do with the number of votes for or against the or the > >> fact that some people might have less of a vote or any such nonsense > >> ;) > >> One way or another, we're going to get this list fixed before too > >> long here. This is getting nutty. > >> > >> -scott > >> > >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Michael Friedman HighWire Press, Stanford Southwest > > Phone: 480-456-0880 Tempe, Arizona > > FAX: 270-721-8034 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Michael Friedman HighWire Press, Stanford Southwest > Phone: 480-456-0880 Tempe, Arizona > FAX: 270-721-8034 > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > From scott at illogics.org Fri May 7 15:47:47 2004 From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:21 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Meeting date stands, list problems, etc Message-ID: <20040507204747.GT120@illogics.org> Hi Bobby, Nope, I sure don't. And yes, phoenix.pm is an O'Reilly User Group. I lost my copy of the code - does anyone else have it? -scott On 0, "Metz, Bobby W, WCS" wrote: > > Scott, > You wouldn't by chance have "Perl & LWP" in that pile of review > copies would you? Also, is this group registered as an O'Reilly User > Group? I hear you can get 20% off O'Reilly books if you belong to an > O'Reilly User Group or register your group as one. > > Bobby > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-phoenix-pm-list@pm.org > [mailto:owner-phoenix-pm-list@pm.org]On Behalf Of Scott Walters > Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 5:05 PM > To: phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org > Subject: Re: Phoenix.pm: Meeting date stands, list problems, etc > > > I'll throw "Perl Template Toolkit", O'Reilly, to the wolves tonight > if we get a reasonable quorum of wolves. I got a pile of review copies > of books from ORA a while back - not things I'd have bought myself > but they're all new releases. > > -scott > > On 0, Michael Friedman wrote: > > > > OK, plans changed. I'll be at the meeting tonight. > > > > -- Mike > > > > On May 6, 2004, at 2:44 PM, Michael Friedman wrote: > > > > > Cool. I was wondering if he could read the list at his office. > > > > > > I'll see if I can work around my plans -- there's always videotape. > > > Perl 6 in Perl 5 is a fascinating topic. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > -- Mike > > > > > > On May 6, 2004, at 2:03 PM, Scott Walters wrote: > > > > > >> Hi, > > >> > > >> Just got a phone call from Doug Miles. The list apparently > > >> isn't accepting his messages. We've had trouble with the list > before. > > >> Anyway, he says he can't make any other date this month so he is > > >> going to procede with tonight merely for that reason. This has > > >> nothing to do with the number of votes for or against the or the > > >> fact that some people might have less of a vote or any such > nonsense > > >> ;) > > >> One way or another, we're going to get this list fixed before too > > >> long here. This is getting nutty. > > >> > > >> -scott > > >> > > >> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Michael Friedman HighWire Press, Stanford Southwest > > > Phone: 480-456-0880 Tempe, Arizona > > > FAX: 270-721-8034 > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Michael Friedman HighWire Press, Stanford Southwest > > Phone: 480-456-0880 Tempe, Arizona > > FAX: 270-721-8034 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From scott at illogics.org Fri May 7 15:55:04 2004 From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:21 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Meeting date stands, list problems, etc Message-ID: <20040507205504.GU120@illogics.org> Okey, I'm told it is 'DSUG'. Lemmie know if that works. By the way, good to see everyone. Two hours just isn't enough... -scott On 0, "Metz, Bobby W, WCS" wrote: > > Scott, > You wouldn't by chance have "Perl & LWP" in that pile of review > copies would you? Also, is this group registered as an O'Reilly User > Group? I hear you can get 20% off O'Reilly books if you belong to an > O'Reilly User Group or register your group as one. > > Bobby > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-phoenix-pm-list@pm.org > [mailto:owner-phoenix-pm-list@pm.org]On Behalf Of Scott Walters > Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 5:05 PM > To: phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org > Subject: Re: Phoenix.pm: Meeting date stands, list problems, etc > > > I'll throw "Perl Template Toolkit", O'Reilly, to the wolves tonight > if we get a reasonable quorum of wolves. I got a pile of review copies > of books from ORA a while back - not things I'd have bought myself > but they're all new releases. > > -scott > > On 0, Michael Friedman wrote: > > > > OK, plans changed. I'll be at the meeting tonight. > > > > -- Mike > > > > On May 6, 2004, at 2:44 PM, Michael Friedman wrote: > > > > > Cool. I was wondering if he could read the list at his office. > > > > > > I'll see if I can work around my plans -- there's always videotape. > > > Perl 6 in Perl 5 is a fascinating topic. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > -- Mike > > > > > > On May 6, 2004, at 2:03 PM, Scott Walters wrote: > > > > > >> Hi, > > >> > > >> Just got a phone call from Doug Miles. The list apparently > > >> isn't accepting his messages. We've had trouble with the list > before. > > >> Anyway, he says he can't make any other date this month so he is > > >> going to procede with tonight merely for that reason. This has > > >> nothing to do with the number of votes for or against the or the > > >> fact that some people might have less of a vote or any such > nonsense > > >> ;) > > >> One way or another, we're going to get this list fixed before too > > >> long here. This is getting nutty. > > >> > > >> -scott > > >> > > >> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Michael Friedman HighWire Press, Stanford Southwest > > > Phone: 480-456-0880 Tempe, Arizona > > > FAX: 270-721-8034 > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Michael Friedman HighWire Press, Stanford Southwest > > Phone: 480-456-0880 Tempe, Arizona > > FAX: 270-721-8034 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From perlguy at earthlink.net Fri May 7 17:08:41 2004 From: perlguy at earthlink.net (Douglas E. Miles) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:21 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Email problems Message-ID: <409C08E9.7080402@earthlink.net> If you can read this, it means that the list has been working OK, and it was a problem on my end. Sorry. :0 From friedman at highwire.stanford.edu Fri May 7 17:28:20 2004 From: friedman at highwire.stanford.edu (Michael Friedman) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:21 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Email problems In-Reply-To: <409C08E9.7080402@earthlink.net> References: <409C08E9.7080402@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Bummer! But it's good to have you back. :-) -- Mike On May 7, 2004, at 3:08 PM, Douglas E. Miles wrote: > If you can read this, it means that the list has been working OK, and > it was a problem on my end. Sorry. :0 > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Friedman HighWire Press, Stanford Southwest Phone: 480-456-0880 Tempe, Arizona FAX: 270-721-8034 --------------------------------------------------------------------- From scott at illogics.org Sat May 8 05:29:14 2004 From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:21 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Notes from the last meeting online Message-ID: <20040508102913.GE120@illogics.org> Okey... http://perldesignpatterns.com/?PerlSixisms has been updated with the notes from this meeting. Don't even try it with IE - it will flame you. No, I'm not joking. On the other hand, if you _want_ to be flamed... the more popular perldesignpatterns.com gets, the more abuse I have to deal with, and the latest is jerks from slavic countries posting IE exploits that apparently modify your system to relay spam on SMTP and IRC. So IE is vorbotten for its own protection. That's linked off of phoenix.pm.org somewhere already. Unlike in vi, it should actually mark up correctly so you can see what it is supposed to look like ;) -scott From tayers at quaday.com Sun May 9 22:56:31 2004 From: tayers at quaday.com (Tim Ayers) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:21 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Meeting 05/06/2004 In-Reply-To: <20040506092852.GW120@illogics.org> References: <20040506092852.GW120@illogics.org> Message-ID: <409EFD6F.2090500@quaday.com> I just got back from a week in St. Paul, MN. If I'm ever around on a meeting night, I have a talk about Perl command line parameters. Hope you have a very nice day, :-) tim Scott Walters wrote: > Replying to everything at once... > > Someone wanted to know if we could reschedule - I haven't seen a flood > of RSVPs, and it's fine with me, but that has to go through Doug. > Direct it to him. > > Someone else asked what the topic was - Tim might be presenting. I've > heard mention of what his topic might be but I'm not sure I ever heard > what it actually would be so I can't comment. Direct that to Tim ;) > My topic is Perl6-isms available for Perl 5, either backported or > available as CPAN modules. This is the 2nd part in an, oh, say, 3 > part series. > > I hope Andrew can attend to. It's been a while ;) > > -scott > > > > On 0, Andrew Johnson wrote: > >> >>Douglas E. Miles wrote: >> >> >>>Scott Walters wrote: >>> >>> >>>>>We'll be having a Phoenix.pm meeting Thursday, April 1st at 7:00PM. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Reverse April fools joke? Or cut-and-paste-itus? ;) >>> >>> >>>cut-and-paste-itus. That's what I get for worring more about whether >>>or not the message will go through, than the message itself. :) The >>>meeting is May 6th. >>> >> >>I plan to attend. And /hope/ there's no repeat of April 1. I worked 15 >>hours that day... :-( >> ----------------------------------------------------------------- Visit our Internet site at http://www.reuters.com Get closer to the financial markets with Reuters Messaging - for more information and to register, visit http://www.reuters.com/messaging Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Reuters Ltd. From scott at illogics.org Mon May 10 04:36:01 2004 From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:21 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Fwd: [PLUG-announce]May events Message-ID: <20040510093601.GN120@illogics.org> Here's PLUG (Phoenix Linux Users Group)'s agenda for those who are interested. Blender is super nifty - I'm thinking of doing that presentation. -scott ----- Forwarded message from plug-announce-admin@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us ----- Archive: Subject: [PLUG-announce]May events Subscribe: , Sender: lufthans@fs plug-announce-admin@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 02:01:48 -0700 (MST) Help: moin, moin, ### Event: PLUG-Devel Meeting Topic: Design Patterns for GNU/Linux Object-Oriented Programmers Presenter: Rob Wehrli Time: 19:00 on Thursday, the 6th of May Where: Adtron Corporation, 3710 E. University Drive, Suite 4, Phoenix, AZ Abstract: GNU/Linux has an extremely robust programmer's toolkit. The GNU Compiler Collection (GCC) features an up-to-date C++ and Java language compiler complete with most of the features used by professional programmers. GNU/Linux is an excellent tool for exploring Design Patterns and the power of programming. Object-Oriented Programming (OOP), compared to structural C-like programming, requires a fundamental paradigm shift when thinking about coding and when writing the code itself. This shift is often a labor of difficulty for many newcomers to OOP. Design Patterns can help! Design Patterns enable programmers to reuse proven problem solving techniques through the use of enhancing the recognition of, communication of and implementation of common programming challenges. Pattern Programmers recognize situational events where a particular design pattern solution applies to a known problem. They communicate this information to their collegues and the implement their code more efficiently and more readily communicably through the effective use of Design Patterns. Rob Wehrli, an OO programmer since 1991 and Linux developer since 1994, offers this informal discussion on using Design Patterns for GNU/Linux programmers, though much of the content applies to any OO programming environment or language. Rob will define Design Patterns, explore various types of Design Patterns and their uses and present a short, interactive example of creating and recording new Design Patterns. ### Event: PLUG East Side Meeting Topic: Blender Presenter: Brian Cluff Time: 19:00 on Thursday, the 13th of May Location: Sequoia Charter School, 1460 S. Horne, Mesa, AZ 85204-5760 Abstract: Blender, the open source software for 3D modeling, animation, rendering, post-production, interactive creation and playback. Get all your graphic and animation friends to this presentation, regardless of the platform they use. Bio: Brian is a PLUG Steering Committee member and our host for the east side meetings at Sequoia Charter School. ### Event: GNU/Linux Stammtisch Time: 19:00 to 23:00 on Tuesday, the 18th of May Location: The Muse Cafe/Artspace, 1032 S. Terrace Rd., Tempe, AZ 85281 Just show up and hang. Lemon and Terrace, just East of ASU's main campus. ### Event: ASULUG/UNUG Sprint Linux Install/Game-fest Topic: Install/Game-fest Location: ASU's main campus, MU 226BC ( Ventana ) Time: 10:00 - 18:00 on Friday, the 21st of May See http://ASULUG.asu.edu/ for more info. ### Event: DeLUG meeting Topic: BSD Time: 19:00 to 21:00 on Thursday, the 13th of May Location: DeVry, Rm. 106, 2149 W. Dunlap Ave. DeLUG will be holding a meeting featuring the [other] free alternative operating systems. This includes FreeBSD, NetBSD, and OpenBSD. This presentation will cover some of the basic history of UNIX, how BSD came about before Linux, and the fundamental and technical differences between the two OS's. We will also be demonstrating FreeBSD using a FreeBSD Live CD. ### Event: PLUG West Side meeting Topic: The Ruby Programming Language Presenter: Chris Gehlker Time: 19:00 on Tuesday, the 25th of May Location: Glendale Community College, 6000 W. Olive Ave., Glendale, AZ 85302 Olive (Dunlap) and 59th Avenue in the High Tech 1 Teleconference Room. Abstract: Ruby is one of the newer scripting languages on the scene. Ruby is an object oriented scripting language that emphasizes clarity, doing the intuitive thing, and above all fun. While it bears a superficial resemblance to Perl, its semantics are very much those of smalltalk. Bio: Chris Gehlker has been messing about with computers so long he can recall building LP models in Fortran. He is an enthusiastic Ruby user. He is the author of RubyStudio, a Ruby IDE for Mac OS X. His current Ruby interests include, a game written in Ruby called SCO: The Game of Intellectual Property and Ruby AL, an extension of Ruby for scripting Open and MS Office. ### Event: AzPHP, http://www.AzPHP.org/ Topic: TBD Time: 19:00 on Tuesday, the 25th of May Location: Walt's TV & Home Theater, 55 W Southern Ave., Tempe, AZ 85282-4962 ### Event: DeLUG meeting Topic: ZipSlack Time: 19:00 to 21:00 on Wednesday, the 26th of May Location: DeVry, Rm. 209, 2149 W. Dunlap Ave. DeLUG will be holding a meeting presenting ZipSlack, a modified edition of Slackware Linux that is installed on and runs off of a zip disk. This distribution is ideal for those without a lot of hard drive space or older hardware lacking a CD-ROM drive for a Live CD distribution. Bring along a computer and zip disk if you'd like to follow along in the presentation. ### Upcoming presentations: ePortfolios from Audree Thurman Blender II, a follow-up to the first Blender presentation, from Brian Cluff ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ http://www.AZOTO.org/ # In order to live free and happily, you must sacrifice boredom. # It is not always an easy sacrifice. _______________________________________________ PLUG-announce mailing list - PLUG-announce@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce PLUG Website at http://plug.phoenix.az.us ----- End forwarded message ----- From perlguy at earthlink.net Tue May 11 16:53:34 2004 From: perlguy at earthlink.net (Douglas E. Miles) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:21 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Meeting 05/06/2004 In-Reply-To: <409EFD6F.2090500@quaday.com> References: <20040506092852.GW120@illogics.org> <409EFD6F.2090500@quaday.com> Message-ID: <40A14B5E.50905@earthlink.net> Tim Ayers wrote: > I just got back from a week in St. Paul, MN. If I'm ever around on a > meeting night, I have a talk about Perl command line parameters. > > Hope you have a very nice day, :-) > tim Thanks for the reply Tim. I figured you must be out of town or something. :) From scott at illogics.org Mon May 17 18:19:55 2004 From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:21 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: new CPAN modules! Message-ID: <20040517231955.GY120@illogics.org> Hey... getting ready to upload a new version of autobox::Core and I wanted suggestions on other things that it should wrap as methods on primitive types. Here's the existing documentation: http://search.cpan.org/~swalters/autobox-Core-0.1/Core.pm What else should you be able to do with an array variable, hash variable, or scalar? autobox is over here: http://search.cpan.org/~chocolate/autobox-0.11/lib/autobox.pm I'm also working on a module - 3 day hack - that rewrites the bytecode of Perl 5 programs to change the context rules of Perl 5 to more closely resemble Perl 6's rules. Arrays and hashes when used as arguments in a subroutine or method call don't flatten but instead send a reference to the subroutine. When used as a scalar, they also turn into a reference to themselves unless they're in "numeric context". Perl 5 doesn't really have numeric context but I'm faking it by looking at the opcode and checking it against a list of opcodes that obviously expect a number. So 0+@foo gives the length of @foo, but my $foo = @foo takes a reference. This also makes bare arrays and hashes work correctly with autobox: @foo->each(sub { print $_[0], "\n" }) prints out each element of @foo. autobox normally requires references except in the case of scalars. Okey, that's my report. Eagerly awaiting autobox::Core suggestions. Cheers, -scott From lynn.newton at cox.net Tue May 18 09:04:41 2004 From: lynn.newton at cox.net (Lynn David Newton) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:21 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Perl programmer needed Message-ID: <200405181404.i4IE4fjP008923@bela.interhack.net> Greetings, Yes, this is a job opportunity for a Perl programmer. I am not the one doing the hiring, but am in a position to make a strong recommendation. To get the job you will have to impress me first. If you are a *good* and experienced Perl programmer and are in need of what will probably be full-time work for some time to come (I can't say how long), please respond to me offlist with a summary of your experience and details of availability. Experience with mod_perl, MySQL, and Apache are absolutely required, also experience with Unix type systems. We are working with Linux and FreeBSD servers. This is not for sysadmin type work, but full-scale core product development programming. I can't emphasize enough: the work load ahead of us is for someone ready to hit the ground running. Very little time will be available for ramp-up. It's absolutely essential, if you want this work, that you be well-qualified and can prove it starting from day one. If that would be you and you are interested, please send me your resume and other particulars. Thanks. -- Lynn David Newton Phoenix, AZ From intertwingled at qwest.net Tue May 18 09:32:02 2004 From: intertwingled at qwest.net (Anthony Nemmer) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:21 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Perl programmer needed In-Reply-To: <200405181404.i4IE4fjP008923@bela.interhack.net> References: <200405181404.i4IE4fjP008923@bela.interhack.net> Message-ID: <40AA1E62.7010204@qwest.net> Really? Who is the company who is looking? =) Tony Lynn David Newton wrote: >Greetings, > >Yes, this is a job opportunity for a Perl programmer. > >I am not the one doing the hiring, but am in a position >to make a strong recommendation. To get the job you >will have to impress me first. > >If you are a *good* and experienced Perl programmer and >are in need of what will probably be full-time work for >some time to come (I can't say how long), please >respond to me offlist with a summary of your experience >and details of availability. > >Experience with mod_perl, MySQL, and Apache are >absolutely required, also experience with Unix type >systems. We are working with Linux and FreeBSD servers. >This is not for sysadmin type work, but full-scale core >product development programming. > >I can't emphasize enough: the work load ahead of us is >for someone ready to hit the ground running. Very >little time will be available for ramp-up. It's >absolutely essential, if you want this work, that you >be well-qualified and can prove it starting from day >one. > >If that would be you and you are interested, please >send me your resume and other particulars. > >Thanks. > > > -- SKYKING, SKYKING, DO NOT ANSWER. From intertwingled at qwest.net Tue May 18 09:32:02 2004 From: intertwingled at qwest.net (Anthony Nemmer) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:21 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Perl programmer needed In-Reply-To: <200405181404.i4IE4fjP008923@bela.interhack.net> References: <200405181404.i4IE4fjP008923@bela.interhack.net> Message-ID: <40AA1E62.7010204@qwest.net> Really? Who is the company who is looking? =) Tony Lynn David Newton wrote: >Greetings, > >Yes, this is a job opportunity for a Perl programmer. > >I am not the one doing the hiring, but am in a position >to make a strong recommendation. To get the job you >will have to impress me first. > >If you are a *good* and experienced Perl programmer and >are in need of what will probably be full-time work for >some time to come (I can't say how long), please >respond to me offlist with a summary of your experience >and details of availability. > >Experience with mod_perl, MySQL, and Apache are >absolutely required, also experience with Unix type >systems. We are working with Linux and FreeBSD servers. >This is not for sysadmin type work, but full-scale core >product development programming. > >I can't emphasize enough: the work load ahead of us is >for someone ready to hit the ground running. Very >little time will be available for ramp-up. It's >absolutely essential, if you want this work, that you >be well-qualified and can prove it starting from day >one. > >If that would be you and you are interested, please >send me your resume and other particulars. > >Thanks. > > > -- SKYKING, SKYKING, DO NOT ANSWER. From phx-pm-list at grueslayer.com Tue May 18 09:45:44 2004 From: phx-pm-list at grueslayer.com (David A. Sinck) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:21 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Perl programmer needed References: <200405181404.i4IE4fjP008923@bela.interhack.net> <40AA1E62.7010204@qwest.net> Message-ID: <16554.8600.50978.710299@magnitude.righthandgraphics.com> \_ SMTP quoth Lynn David Newton on 5/18/2004 07:04 as having spake thusly: \_ \_ Yes, this is a job opportunity for a Perl programmer. \_ \_ I am not the one doing the hiring, but am in a position \_ to make a strong recommendation. To get the job you \_ will have to impress me first. \_ [...] \_ SMTP quoth Anthony Nemmer on 5/18/2004 07:32 as having spake thusly: \_ \_ Really? Who is the company who is looking? =) Step one to impress: don't ask, state that you discovered it without resorting to asking. I have an educated guess (RR), but since I'm not presently seeking, I don't have to take the chance of being wrong. :-) David From lynn.newton at cox.net Tue May 18 09:56:13 2004 From: lynn.newton at cox.net (Lynn David Newton) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:21 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Perl programmer needed In-Reply-To: <40AA1E62.7010204@qwest.net> References: <200405181404.i4IE4fjP008923@bela.interhack.net> <40AA1E62.7010204@qwest.net> Message-ID: <16554.9229.4990.673447@bela.interhack.net> tn> Really? Who is the company who is looking? The job is contract telecommuting work for a tiny company in Oregon called Registration Resources. Small but established, not a startup. All the current programmers except for one person doing a special .Net task are here in Phoenix, which is why we are looking here for another. It makes life simpler when we have to get together to discuss things. I'm one of the full-time programmers and have been working for the organization for 20 months. My closest colleague, also from Phoenix, preceded me by four months. There is no end of work in sight. In fact, we have some colossal tasks ahead of us, which is why we are looking for another qualified Perl programmer. I would prefer to answer additional questions offlist with serious candidates who are interested in doing the work. -- Lynn David Newton Phoenix, AZ From intertwingled at qwest.net Tue May 18 10:13:04 2004 From: intertwingled at qwest.net (Anthony Nemmer) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:21 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Perl programmer needed In-Reply-To: <16554.8600.50978.710299@magnitude.righthandgraphics.com> References: <200405181404.i4IE4fjP008923@bela.interhack.net> <40AA1E62.7010204@qwest.net> <16554.8600.50978.710299@magnitude.righthandgraphics.com> Message-ID: <40AA2800.1050001@qwest.net> David A. Sinck wrote: > > >\_ SMTP quoth Lynn David Newton on 5/18/2004 07:04 as having spake thusly: >\_ >\_ Yes, this is a job opportunity for a Perl programmer. >\_ >\_ I am not the one doing the hiring, but am in a position >\_ to make a strong recommendation. To get the job you >\_ will have to impress me first. >\_ [...] > >\_ SMTP quoth Anthony Nemmer on 5/18/2004 07:32 as having spake thusly: >\_ >\_ Really? Who is the company who is looking? =) > >Step one to impress: don't ask, state that you discovered it without >resorting to asking. I have an educated guess (RR), but since I'm not >presently seeking, I don't have to take the chance of being wrong. :-) > >David > > > > I am not seeking, and shall never be seeking again. The only code I am writing now is LGPL code, and that is for therapeutic reasons. I was just curious. =) Tony -- SKYKING, SKYKING, DO NOT ANSWER. From scott at illogics.org Tue May 18 10:33:37 2004 From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:21 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Perl programmer needed Message-ID: <20040518153337.GZ120@illogics.org> Hi Lynn, Job posts are one of the more interesting things on the list so you'll have to excuse people while they gossip about the whole deal. Thanks for posting here, by the way. I know a lot of good, qualified, intelligent people come to meetings and ask around about the Perl job market in Phoenix. -scott On 0, Lynn David Newton wrote: > > > tn> Really? Who is the company who is looking? > > The job is contract telecommuting work for a tiny > company in Oregon called Registration Resources. Small > but established, not a startup. > > All the current programmers except for one person doing > a special .Net task are here in Phoenix, which is why > we are looking here for another. It makes life simpler > when we have to get together to discuss things. > > I'm one of the full-time programmers and have been > working for the organization for 20 months. My closest > colleague, also from Phoenix, preceded me by four > months. > > There is no end of work in sight. In fact, we have some > colossal tasks ahead of us, which is why we are looking > for another qualified Perl programmer. > > I would prefer to answer additional questions offlist > with serious candidates who are interested in doing the > work. > > -- > Lynn David Newton > Phoenix, AZ From scytale at techie.com Tue May 18 10:49:34 2004 From: scytale at techie.com (Roger Vasquez) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:21 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Perl programmer needed Message-ID: <20040518154934.96B51101C4@ws1-16.us4.outblaze.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/archives/phoenix-pm/attachments/20040518/726ed107/attachment.htm From intertwingled at qwest.net Tue May 18 11:13:29 2004 From: intertwingled at qwest.net (Anthony Nemmer) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:21 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Perl programmer needed In-Reply-To: <20040518154934.96B51101C4@ws1-16.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20040518154934.96B51101C4@ws1-16.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <40AA3629.5090905@qwest.net> Diagnosed with severe Bipolar Affective Disorder / Hypomania. Roger Vasquez wrote: >So what turned you off from coding for profit? Kurt wants to know? :-) > >Roger > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Anthony Nemmer" >Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 08:13:04 -0700 >To: phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org >Subject: Re: Phoenix.pm: Perl programmer needed > > > David A. Sinck wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >\_ SMTP quoth Lynn David Newton on 5/18/2004 07:04 as having spake thusly: > > >\_ > > >\_ Yes, this is a job opportunity for a Perl programmer. > > >\_ > > >\_ I am not the one doing the hiring, but am in a position > > >\_ to make a strong recommendation. To get the job you > > >\_ will have to impress me first. > > >\_ [...] > > > > > >\_ SMTP quoth Anthony Nemmer on 5/18/2004 07:32 as having spake thusly: > > >\_ > > >\_ Really? Who is the company who is looking? =) > > > > > >Step one to impress: don't ask, state that you discovered it without > > &g t;resorting to asking. I have an educated guess (RR), but since I'm not > > >presently seeking, I don't have to take the chance of being wrong. :-) > > > > > >David > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not seeking, and shall never be seeking again. The only code I am > > writing now is LGPL code, and that is for therapeutic reasons. I was > > just curious. =) > > > > Tony > > > > -- > > > > SKYKING, SKYKING, DO NOT ANSWER. > > > > > > >-- > >___________________________________________________________ >Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com >http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup > > > > -- SKYKING, SKYKING, DO NOT ANSWER. From scott at illogics.org Tue May 18 12:22:50 2004 From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:21 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Perl programmer needed Message-ID: <20040518172250.GC120@illogics.org> Eek! Roger, turn off the HTML, or atleast send a multipart with text and HTML. Pretty please =) Re: Tony, some ACM article not long ago put programmer burn out at a median of 8 years before switching jobs or moving permantently into management, if I recall correctly. Writing healthy doses of fun things is the only way I stay sane. -scott On 0, Roger Vasquez wrote: > >

So what turned you off from coding for profit? Kurt wants to know? :-)

>

Roger

----- Original Message -----
From: "Anthony Nemmer"
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 08:13:04 -0700
To: phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org
Subject: Re: Phoenix.pm: Perl programmer needed

> David A. Sinck wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >\_ SMTP quoth Lynn David Newton on 5/18/2004 07:04 as having spake thusly:
> >\_
> >\_ Yes, this is a job opportunity for a Perl programmer.
> >\_
> >\_ I am not the one doing the hiring, but am in a position
> >\_ to make a strong recommendation. To get the job you
> >\_ will have to impress me first.
> >\_ [...]
> >
> >\_ SMTP quoth Anthony Nemmer on 5/18/2004 07:32 as having spake thusly:
> >\_
> >\_ Really? Who is the company who is looking? =)
> >
> >Step one to impress: don't ask, state that you discovered it without
> &g > t;resorting to asking. I have an educated guess (RR), but since I'm not
> >presently seeking, I don't have to take the chance of being wrong. :-)
> >
> >David
> >
> >
> >
> >
> I am not seeking, and shall never be seeking again. The only code I am
> writing now is LGPL code, and that is for therapeutic reasons. I was
> just curious. =)
>
> Tony
>
> --
>
> SKYKING, SKYKING, DO NOT ANSWER.
>
>


> -- >

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> From intertwingled at qwest.net Tue May 18 12:58:02 2004 From: intertwingled at qwest.net (Anthony Nemmer) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:21 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Perl programmer needed In-Reply-To: <20040518172250.GC120@illogics.org> References: <20040518172250.GC120@illogics.org> Message-ID: <40AA4EAA.50508@qwest.net> Scott Walters wrote: >Eek! Roger, turn off the HTML, or atleast send a multipart with text and HTML. >Pretty please =) > >Re: Tony, some ACM article not long ago put programmer burn out at a median >of 8 years before switching jobs or moving permantently into management, >if I recall correctly. Writing healthy doses of fun things is the only way I stay sane. > > With me it was never a question of burnout. Bipolars have plenty of energy. The problem was I got diagnosed too late in life. Tony >-scott > >On 0, Roger Vasquez wrote: > > >>

So what turned you off from coding for profit? Kurt wants to know? :-)

>>

Roger

----- Original Message -----
From: "Anthony Nemmer"
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 08:13:04 -0700
To: phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org
Subject: Re: Phoenix.pm: Perl programmer needed

> David A. Sinck wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >\_ SMTP quoth Lynn David Newton on 5/18/2004 07:04 as having spake thusly:
> >\_
> >\_ Yes, this is a job opportunity for a Perl programmer.
> >\_
> >\_ I am not the one doing the hiring, but am in a position
> >\_ to make a strong recommendation. To get the job you
> >\_ will have to impress me first.
> >\_ [...]
> >
> >\_ SMTP quoth Anthony Nemmer on 5/18/2004 07:32 as having spake thusly:
> >\_
> >\_ Really? Who is the company who is looking? =)
> >
> >Step one to impress: don't ask, state that you discovered it without
>! >> >> > &g > > >> t;resorting to asking. I have an educated guess (RR), but since I'm not
> >presently seeking, I don't have to take the chance of being wrong. :-)
> >
> >David
> >
> >
> >
> >
> I am not seeking, and shall never be seeking again. The only code I am
> writing now is LGPL code, and that is for therapeutic reasons. I was
> just curious. =)
>
> Tony
>
> --
>
> SKYKING, SKYKING, DO NOT ANSWER.
>
>


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>> >> >> > > > > -- SKYKING, SKYKING, DO NOT ANSWER. From scytale at techie.com Tue May 18 13:13:07 2004 From: scytale at techie.com (Roger Vasquez) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:21 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Perl programmer needed Message-ID: <20040518181307.9758022EED@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> Sorry all for the html. Mail.com changed their looks and configuration. Should be fix now. Sorry to hear that Tony. Of all the different types of occupations out there, I would think that the coding field would be more accommodating. Hope coding never loses its fun for you. Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony Nemmer" Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 10:58:02 -0700 To: phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org Subject: Re: Phoenix.pm: Perl programmer needed > Scott Walters wrote: > > >Eek! Roger, turn off the HTML, or atleast send a multipart with text and HTML. > >Pretty please =) > > > >Re: Tony, some ACM article not long ago put programmer burn out at a median > >of 8 years before switching jobs or moving permantently into management, > >if I recall correctly. Writing healthy doses of fun things is the only way I stay sane. > > > > > With me it was never a question of burnout. Bipolars have plenty of > energy. The problem was I got diagnosed too late in life. > > Tony > > >-scott > > > >On 0, Roger Vasquez wrote: > > > > > >>

So what turned you off from coding for profit? Kurt wants to know? :-)

> >>

Roger

----- Original Message -----
From: "Anthony Nemmer"
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 08:13:04 -0700
To: phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org
Subject: Re: Phoenix.pm: Perl programmer needed

> David A. Sinck wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >\_ SMTP quoth Lynn David Newton on 5/18/2004 07:04 as having spake thusly:
> >\_
> >\_ Yes, this is a job opportunity for a Perl programmer.
> >\_
> >\_ I am not the one doing the hiring, but am in a position
> >\_ to make a strong recommendation. To get the job you
> >\_ will have to impress me first.
> >\_ [...]
> >
> >\_ SMTP quoth Anthony Nemmer on 5/18/2004 07:32 as having spake thusly:
> >\_
> >\_ Really? Who is the company who is looking? =)
> >
> >Step one to impress: don't ask, state that you discovered it without
>! > >> > >> > > &g > > > > > >> t;resorting to asking. I have an educated guess (RR), but since I'm not
> >presently seeking, I don't have to take the chance of being wrong. :-)
> >
> >David
> >
> >
> >
> >
> I am not seeking, and shall never be seeking again. The only code I am
> writing now is LGPL code, and that is for therapeutic reasons. I was
> just curious. =)
>
> Tony
>
> --
>
> SKYKING, SKYKING, DO NOT ANSWER.
>
>


> >>-- > >>

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