From perlguy at earthlink.net Mon Mar 1 11:48:38 2004 From: perlguy at earthlink.net (Douglas E. Miles) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:17 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Out of area jobs In-Reply-To: <16448.2562.962583.381334@magnitude.righthandgraphics.com> References: <403E637B.4090308@earthlink.net> <403FA060.7030806@earthlink.net> <16448.2562.962583.381334@magnitude.righthandgraphics.com> Message-ID: <40437776.5090000@earthlink.net> David A. Sinck wrote: > > \_ SMTP quoth Douglas E. Miles on 2/27/2004 12:54 as having spake thusly: > \_ > \_ Michael Friedman wrote: > \_ > I didn't think we were supposed to mention jobs available outside the > \_ > area, but since Doug did... > \_ > \_ It's fine by me. I hate to see people move away, but in this market, > \_ you do what you have to do. :) > > Run drugs across the border? :-) > > Oh wait, most people in Arizona call that "getting prescriptions > cheaper". :-) > > David I think there's a CPAN module for that... :) From perlguy at earthlink.net Tue Mar 2 14:52:57 2004 From: perlguy at earthlink.net (Douglas E. Miles) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:17 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Meeting 03/04/2004 Message-ID: <4044F429.2010705@earthlink.net> Please RSVP... We'll be having a Phoenix.pm meeting Thursday, March 4th at 7:00PM. It will be held at Bowne, which is located at 1500 N. Central Avenue, which is on the Southwest corner of Central and McDowell. The parking lot is gated, so just press the button on the intercom, and tell the receptionist that you are there for the Perl meeting. Park in the lot that is straight ahead from the entrance on the South side of McDowell. Park in any uncovered, non-reserved space. Proceed to the main lobby, which is on the Northeast side of the parking lot. Michael Friedman will be presenting Automated Testing. If there is time, Scott Walters will be presenting something he is working on. From scott at illogics.org Tue Mar 2 19:07:39 2004 From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:17 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Meeting 03/04/2004 Message-ID: <20040303010738.GW15916@illogics.org> That thing I'm workign on being a survey of backports of Perl 6 features into Perl 5. Yes, this has to do with my whiney rant of yestermonth. I'll be monitoring pupils for dialation. -scott On 0, "Douglas E. Miles" wrote: > > Please RSVP... > > We'll be having a Phoenix.pm meeting Thursday, March 4th at 7:00PM. > It will be held at Bowne, which is located at 1500 N. Central Avenue, > which is on the Southwest corner of Central and McDowell. The parking > lot is gated, so just press the button on the intercom, and tell the > receptionist that you are there for the Perl meeting. Park in the lot > that is straight ahead from the entrance on the South side of McDowell. > Park in any uncovered, non-reserved space. Proceed to the main lobby, > which is on the Northeast side of the parking lot. > > Michael Friedman will be presenting Automated Testing. > > If there is time, Scott Walters will be presenting something he is > working on. > From mpjbell at softhome.net Tue Mar 2 18:25:27 2004 From: mpjbell at softhome.net (Marty Bell) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:17 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Meeting 03/04/2004 In-Reply-To: <4044F429.2010705@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20040302182527.00aac260@pop.SoftHome.net> Haven't made a meeting for awhile, but I believe I can make this one. I love automation of anything, looking forward to seeing you there! Marty At 01:52 PM 3/2/2004 -0700, you wrote: >Please RSVP... > >We'll be having a Phoenix.pm meeting Thursday, March 4th at 7:00PM. >It will be held at Bowne, which is located at 1500 N. Central Avenue, >which is on the Southwest corner of Central and McDowell. The parking >lot is gated, so just press the button on the intercom, and tell the >receptionist that you are there for the Perl meeting. Park in the lot >that is straight ahead from the entrance on the South side of McDowell. >Park in any uncovered, non-reserved space. Proceed to the main lobby, >which is on the Northeast side of the parking lot. > >Michael Friedman will be presenting Automated Testing. > >If there is time, Scott Walters will be presenting something he is >working on. > > From scott at illogics.org Wed Mar 3 12:48:13 2004 From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:17 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Fwd: perlbug-followup@perl.org: [perl #27268] Blessed reference to anonymous glob causes seg fault or "Attempt to free unrefer Message-ID: <20040303184813.GX15916@illogics.org> ----- Forwarded message from "kstar@verizon.net Yves Orton" ----- ID: <20040303031100.GA26873@verizon.net> List: contact perl5-porters-help@perl.org; run by ezmlm CC: demerphq@hotmail.com Encoding: utf-8 Status: No, hits=-11.9 required=8.0 tests=BAYES_00,PERLBUG_CONF,RT_TAG autolearn=no version=2.63 NewTicket: yes Originator: demerphq@hotmail.com post: SMTPD: qpsmtpd/0.26, http://develooper.com/code/qpsmtpd/ Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Spam-Index: -6 Filter-Rule: None, default is delivery Archive: Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out004.verizon.net from [68.161.70.79] at Tue, 2 Mar 2004 21:11:02 -0600 help: Received: from onion.perl.org (onion.develooper.com [63.251.223.166]) (qmail 30535 invoked by uid 1005); 3 Mar 2004 03:11:35 -0000 (qmail 30514 invoked by uid 76); 3 Mar 2004 03:11:34 -0000 Warning: squirtle.localdomain: kstar set sender to vze4rnqz@verizon.net using -f Subject: [perl #27268] Blessed reference to anonymous glob causes seg fault or "Attempt to free unrefer Ticket: perl #27268 unsubscribe: Spam-Is-Higher-Than: 5 Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 22:11:00 -0500 Mon Mar 1 10:23:28 2004 1 Mar 2004 15:19:09 -0000 by: RT 3.0.8 (http://www.bestpractical.com/rt/) Version: 1.0 SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on x1.develooper.com Prevention: perl Precedence: bulk To: "mailing list perl5-porters@perl.org perl5-porters@perl.org perl5-porters@perl.org bugs-bitbucket@netlabs.develooper.com perl5-porters@perl.org perl5-porters@perl.org" From: "kstar@verizon.net Yves Orton" # New Ticket Created by "Yves Orton" # Please include the string: [perl #27268] # in the subject line of all future correspondence about this issue. # This is a bug report for perl from demerphq@hotmail.com, generated with the help of perlbug 1.33 running under perl v5.6.1. ----------------------------------------------------------------- On 5.8.2 (AS 808): D:\Temp>perl -MSymbol -e "my $x=bless \gensym,'t'; *$$x=$x" Attempt to free unreferenced scalar: SV 0x15d4f38 during global destruction. on 5.6.1 (AS 635): D:\Temp>perl -MSymbol -e "my $x=bless \gensym,'t'; *$$x=$x" (SEGFAULTS) This also applies to non Win32 builds. All versions of perl this was checked against threw errors regardless of perl version or OS. Regards, Yves ----------------------------------------------------------------- --- Flags: category=core severity=low --- Site configuration information for perl v5.6.1: Configured by ActiveState at Mon Jun 17 21:32:50 2002. Summary of my perl5 (revision 5 version 6 subversion 1) configuration: Platform: osname=MSWin32, osvers=4.0, archname=MSWin32-x86-multi-thread uname='' config_args='undef' hint=recommended, useposix=true, d_sigaction=undef usethreads=undef use5005threads=undef useithreads=define usemultiplicity=define useperlio=undef d_sfio=undef uselargefiles=undef usesocks=undef use64bitint=undef use64bitall=undef uselongdouble=undef Compiler: cc='cl', ccflags ='-nologo -O1 -MD -DNDEBUG -DWIN32 -D_CONSOLE -DNO_STRICT -DHAVE_DES_FCRYPT -DPERL_IMPLICIT_CONTEXT -DPERL_IMPLICIT_SYS -DPERL_MSVCRT_READFIX', optimize='-O1 -MD -DNDEBUG', cppflags='-DWIN32' ccversion='', gccversion='', gccosandvers='' intsize=4, longsize=4, ptrsize=4, doublesize=8, byteorder=1234 d_longlong=undef, longlongsize=8, d_longdbl=define, longdblsize=10 ivtype='long', ivsize=4, nvtype='double', nvsize=8, Off_t='off_t', lseeksize=4 alignbytes=8, usemymalloc=n, prototype=define Linker and Libraries: ld='link', ldflags ='-nologo -nodefaultlib -release -libpath:"E:\Perl\lib\CORE" -machine:x86' libpth="E:\DotNet\FrameworkSDK\Lib\" "E:\Perl\lib\CORE" libs= oldnames.lib kernel32.lib user32.lib gdi32.lib winspool.lib comdlg32.lib advapi32.lib shell32.lib ole32.lib oleaut32.lib netapi32.lib uuid.lib wsock32.lib mpr.lib winmm.lib version.lib odbc32.lib odbccp32.lib msvcrt.lib perllibs= oldnames.lib kernel32.lib user32.lib gdi32.lib winspool.lib comdlg32.lib advapi32.lib shell32.lib ole32.lib oleaut32.lib netapi32.lib uuid.lib wsock32.lib mpr.lib winmm.lib version.lib odbc32.lib odbccp32.lib msvcrt.lib libc=msvcrt.lib, so=dll, useshrplib=yes, libperl=perl56.lib Dynamic Linking: dlsrc=dl_win32.xs, dlext=dll, d_dlsymun=undef, ccdlflags=' ' cccdlflags=' ', lddlflags='-dll -nologo -nodefaultlib -release -libpath:"E:\Perl\lib\CORE" -machine:x86' Locally applied patches: ACTIVEPERL_LOCAL_PATCHES_ENTRY --- @INC for perl v5.6.1: D:\development\perl\devlib E:/Perl/lib E:/Perl/site/lib . --- Environment for perl v5.6.1: HOME (unset) LANG (unset) LANGUAGE (unset) LD_LIBRARY_PATH (unset) LOGDIR (unset) PATH=E:\Editors\UltraEdit;E:\DotNet\Common7\IDE;E:\DotNet\VC7\BIN;E:\DotNet\Common7\Tools;E:\DotNet\Common7\Tools\bin\prerelease;E:\DotNet\Common7\Tools\bin;E:\DotNet\FrameworkSDK\bin;C:\WINNT\Microsoft.NET\Framework\v1.0.3705;e:\sybase\OCS-12_0\dll;e:\sybase\OCS-12_0\bin;C:\WINNT\system32;C:\Program Files\Symantec\pcAnywhere\;C:\WINNT;C:\WINNT\System32\Wbem;E:\Editors\ULTRAE~1;E:\Perforce;E:\Perl\bin\;E:\bin;E:\cygwin\bin;E:\perl58\bin;E:\sybase;E:\sybase\sqladvantage;e:\sybase\ASEP;e:\sybase\SQLRemote\dll;perl\bleadperl\bin PERL5LIB=D:\development\perl\devlib PERL5_CPANPLUS_CONFIG=e:\.cpanplus\config PERL_BADLANG (unset) SHELL (unset) _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ----- End forwarded message ----- From aj at exiledplanet.org Thu Mar 4 01:51:36 2004 From: aj at exiledplanet.org (Andrew Johnson) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:17 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Meeting 03/04/2004 In-Reply-To: <4044F429.2010705@earthlink.net> References: <4044F429.2010705@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4046E008.8000908@exiledplanet.org> I plan to attend. Douglas E. Miles wrote: > Please RSVP... > > We'll be having a Phoenix.pm meeting Thursday, March 4th at 7:00PM. > It will be held at Bowne, which is located at 1500 N. Central Avenue, From perlguy at earthlink.net Thu Mar 4 14:17:26 2004 From: perlguy at earthlink.net (Douglas E. Miles) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:17 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Meeting 03/04/2004 In-Reply-To: <20040303010738.GW15916@illogics.org> References: <20040303010738.GW15916@illogics.org> Message-ID: <40478ED6.3030008@earthlink.net> Scott Walters wrote: > That thing I'm workign on being a survey of backports of Perl 6 features > into Perl 5. Yes, this has to do with my whiney rant of yestermonth. I'll > be monitoring pupils for dialation. > > -scott I must apologize to Scott. He told me what he was presenting, but I've got Old Timer's disease. :) From perlguy at earthlink.net Thu Mar 4 14:19:21 2004 From: perlguy at earthlink.net (Douglas E. Miles) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:17 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Reminder: Meeting 03/04/2004 Message-ID: <40478F49.2050303@earthlink.net> Don't let the weather scare you. :) Please RSVP... We'll be having a Phoenix.pm meeting Thursday, March 4th at 7:00PM. It will be held at Bowne, which is located at 1500 N. Central Avenue, which is on the Southwest corner of Central and McDowell. The parking lot is gated, so just press the button on the intercom, and tell the receptionist that you are there for the Perl meeting. Park in the lot that is straight ahead from the entrance on the South side of McDowell. Park in any uncovered, non-reserved space. Proceed to the main lobby, which is on the Northeast side of the parking lot. Michael Friedman will be presenting Automated Testing. If there is time, Scott Walters will be presenting survey of backports of Perl 6 features into Perl 5. From scott at illogics.org Mon Mar 8 18:26:16 2004 From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:17 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: PHXJUG Meeting March 10th Wednesday! (IVIS Technologies) Message-ID: <20040309002616.GE28409@illogics.org> Free beer and mexican food. Who wants to invade the Java User Group meeting with me? I've found learning about Java really helped my Perl. It's another way of doing things, another system of esthetics, and another culture. Larry Wall likes cultural sensitivity, remember? =) The meetings are 70% marketing presentation but the social time before/after and the scwag is worth it. -scott ----- Forwarded message from Todd Ellermann , announce@phxjug.org ----- List: archive/latest/217 ID: <20040309001840.41184.qmail@web40908.mail.yahoo.com> <"V8_cbB.A.V-E.o1QTAB"@lucky> Received: from lucky.phxjug.org (www.phxjug.org [216.19.223.7]) (from lists@localhost) Subject: [phxjug-announce] PHXJUG Meeting March 10th Wednesday! (IVIS Technologies) Loop: announce@phxjug.org Spam-Is-Higher-Than: 5 Sender: announce-request@phxjug.org Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 17:18:49 -0700 (MST) Mon, 8 Mar 2004 16:18:40 -0800 (PST) Version: 1.0 Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Spam-Index: 2.7 Filter-Rule: None, default is delivery Precedence: list To: announce@phxjug.org, azipa@yahoogroups.com From: Todd Ellermann , announce@phxjug.org Meeting Announcement Phoenix Java User's Group http://www.phxjug.org Please attend and bring a friend! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Wed, March 10, 2004 at 6:30 PM UACT - University of Advancing Computer Technology 2625 West Baseline Road, Tempe (Just west of Fry's Electronics, south side of Baseline) The meeting will be held in the first floor theater. There is plenty of parking. * Raffle sponsored by IVIS: TBA * Post-meeting gathering at Aunt Chilada's with free beer and delicious Mexican food. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Keynote Speaker Name: Sean McNeill Title: JBoost/NetBoost Product Manager Company: Ivis Technologies, LLC Address: 11201 N. Tatum Blvd. Suite 110, Phoenix, AZ email: smcneill@ivis.com web site: http://www.ivis.com phone: (602) 795-9240 pager: n/a Talk title: Accelarating Web Development with JBoost Abstract: Have you ever had to change the look and feel of a web app? Have you ever had to hard-code "code access security" into a server page -- and then change it over and over as the enterprise changes over time? How about the challenges of web application globalization? Are these some of the issues that contribute to the challenges of you keeping up with your time-driven requirements? Ivis Technologies will discuss how web-tier entropy can and in many cases will inevitably and steadily deteriorate your agile development process. If your development process relies upon rapid change, it is important to use technology that makes change inexpensive. JBoost is a very flexible “application infrastructure” for providing your organization logistical business processes and methods that foster malleable web-tier systems Speaker Bio: Sean McNeill has been working professionally in the internet development industry since 1994. Sean has a B.S. in Computer Science. Sean was the visionary behind JBoost and is also the Product Manager/Senior Architect of Ivis JBoost and NetBoost. Sean's programming diciplines include Java, ColdFusion and ASP. Other experiences include ORM, SQL/TSQL, IDEF1X/ER, HTML and JavaScript to name a few. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Real World Speaker To Be announced. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Todd R. Ellermann President, Phoenix Java User's Group Senior Solution Architect ForeverLiving.com, LLC. 602.738.6187 president@phxjug.org www.phxjug.org __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe, send a message to announce-request@phxjug.org with "unsubscribe" in the *subject line*. If you have problems, send a message to 'listmaster@phxjug.org'. ----- End forwarded message ----- From friedman at highwire.stanford.edu Mon Mar 8 18:43:31 2004 From: friedman at highwire.stanford.edu (Michael Friedman) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:17 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: PHXJUG Meeting March 10th Wednesday! (IVIS Technologies) In-Reply-To: <20040309002616.GE28409@illogics.org> References: <20040309002616.GE28409@illogics.org> Message-ID: I'd love to go, if my schedule allows it. I have a production install that may run late, but if it's smooth like the last one, I should be able to make it. Thanks for cross-posting! -- Mike On Mar 8, 2004, at 5:26 PM, Scott Walters wrote: > Free beer and mexican food. Who wants to invade the Java User Group > meeting with me? > I've found learning about Java really helped my Perl. It's another way > of doing things, > another system of esthetics, and another culture. Larry Wall likes > cultural > sensitivity, remember? =) > > The meetings are 70% marketing presentation but the social time > before/after > and the scwag is worth it. > > -scott > > > ----- Forwarded message from Todd Ellermann , > announce@phxjug.org ----- > > List: archive/latest/217 > ID: <20040309001840.41184.qmail@web40908.mail.yahoo.com> > <"V8_cbB.A.V-E.o1QTAB"@lucky> > Received: from lucky.phxjug.org (www.phxjug.org [216.19.223.7]) (from > lists@localhost) > Subject: [phxjug-announce] PHXJUG Meeting March 10th Wednesday! (IVIS > Technologies) > Loop: announce@phxjug.org > Spam-Is-Higher-Than: 5 > Sender: announce-request@phxjug.org > Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 17:18:49 -0700 (MST) Mon, 8 Mar 2004 16:18:40 > -0800 (PST) > Version: 1.0 > Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Spam-Index: 2.7 > Filter-Rule: None, default is delivery > Precedence: list > To: announce@phxjug.org, azipa@yahoogroups.com > From: Todd Ellermann , announce@phxjug.org > > > Meeting Announcement > Phoenix Java User's Group > http://www.phxjug.org > > Please attend and bring a friend! > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Wed, March 10, 2004 at 6:30 PM > > UACT - University of Advancing Computer Technology > 2625 West Baseline Road, Tempe > (Just west of Fry's Electronics, south side of Baseline) > > The meeting will be held in the first floor theater. > There is plenty of parking. > > * Raffle sponsored by IVIS: TBA > > * Post-meeting gathering at Aunt Chilada's with free beer > and delicious Mexican food. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Keynote Speaker > > Name: Sean McNeill > Title: JBoost/NetBoost Product Manager > Company: Ivis Technologies, LLC > Address: 11201 N. Tatum Blvd. Suite 110, Phoenix, AZ > email: smcneill@ivis.com > web site: http://www.ivis.com > phone: (602) 795-9240 > pager: n/a > > Talk title: > > Accelarating Web Development with JBoost > > Abstract: Have you ever had to change the look and feel of a web app? > Have you ever had to hard-code "code access security" into a server > page -- and then change it over and over as the enterprise changes over > time? How about the challenges of web application globalization? Are > these some of the issues that contribute to the challenges of you > keeping up with your time-driven requirements? > > Ivis Technologies will discuss how web-tier entropy can and in many > cases will inevitably and steadily deteriorate your agile development > process. > > If your development process relies upon rapid change, it is important > to use technology that makes change inexpensive. > > JBoost is a very flexible ?application infrastructure? for providing > your organization logistical business processes and methods that foster > malleable web-tier systems > > Speaker Bio: > > Sean McNeill has been working professionally in the internet > development industry since 1994. Sean has a B.S. in Computer Science. > Sean was the visionary behind JBoost and is also the Product > Manager/Senior Architect of Ivis JBoost and NetBoost. > Sean's programming diciplines include Java, ColdFusion and ASP. Other > experiences include ORM, SQL/TSQL, IDEF1X/ER, HTML and JavaScript to > name a few. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Real World Speaker > > To Be announced. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Todd R. Ellermann > President, Phoenix Java User's Group > Senior Solution Architect ForeverLiving.com, LLC. > 602.738.6187 > president@phxjug.org > www.phxjug.org > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Search - Find what you?re looking for faster > http://search.yahoo.com > > -- > To unsubscribe, send a message to announce-request@phxjug.org with > "unsubscribe" in the *subject line*. If you have problems, send a > message to 'listmaster@phxjug.org'. > > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Friedman HighWire Press, Stanford Southwest Phone: 480-456-0880 Tempe, Arizona FAX: 270-721-8034 --------------------------------------------------------------------- From Eden.Li at asu.edu Mon Mar 8 18:54:54 2004 From: Eden.Li at asu.edu (Eden Li) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:17 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: PHXJUG Meeting March 10th Wednesday! (IVIS Technologies) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Omigod the whole thing is a (misspelled) marketing ploy for JBoost. BLECH. Free beer might just be worth it ;) I guess I'd sell my soul for alcohol... From intertwingled at qwest.net Mon Mar 8 19:10:20 2004 From: intertwingled at qwest.net (intertwingled) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:17 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: PHXJUG Meeting March 10th Wednesday! (IVIS Technologies) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <404D197C.3090903@qwest.net> If they'd serve PIZZA instead of mexican food, I'd thing about it. BTW, I am getting things together for the first Tempe / Mesa / East Valley perlmongers meeting. It will be held at The Muse which is on Terrace between Apache and Rural. I will cross-post the date and time of the first meeting. It will likely be on a Saturday or Sunday in the early afternoon. Topic of first meeting will be anything under the Perl sun. Tony Eden Li wrote: >Omigod the whole thing is a (misspelled) marketing ploy for JBoost. BLECH. >Free beer might just be worth it ;) > >I guess I'd sell my soul for alcohol... > > > > > > > From scott at illogics.org Wed Mar 10 07:51:13 2004 From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:17 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: PHXJUG Meeting March 10th Wednesday! (IVIS Technologies) Message-ID: <20040310135112.GG14211@illogics.org> Just a reminder. This is today. I'm *still* thinking of going (but I can hardly manage 7pm, so 6:30 will be a challenge). It'll be fun >=) -scott On 0, Scott Walters wrote: > > Free beer and mexican food. Who wants to invade the Java User Group meeting with me? > I've found learning about Java really helped my Perl. It's another way of doing things, > another system of esthetics, and another culture. Larry Wall likes cultural > sensitivity, remember? =) > > The meetings are 70% marketing presentation but the social time before/after > and the scwag is worth it. > > -scott > > > ----- Forwarded message from Todd Ellermann , announce@phxjug.org ----- > > List: archive/latest/217 > ID: <20040309001840.41184.qmail@web40908.mail.yahoo.com> <"V8_cbB.A.V-E.o1QTAB"@lucky> > Received: from lucky.phxjug.org (www.phxjug.org [216.19.223.7]) (from lists@localhost) > Subject: [phxjug-announce] PHXJUG Meeting March 10th Wednesday! (IVIS Technologies) > Loop: announce@phxjug.org > Spam-Is-Higher-Than: 5 > Sender: announce-request@phxjug.org > Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 17:18:49 -0700 (MST) Mon, 8 Mar 2004 16:18:40 -0800 (PST) > Version: 1.0 > Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Spam-Index: 2.7 > Filter-Rule: None, default is delivery > Precedence: list > To: announce@phxjug.org, azipa@yahoogroups.com > From: Todd Ellermann , announce@phxjug.org > > > Meeting Announcement > Phoenix Java User's Group > http://www.phxjug.org > > Please attend and bring a friend! > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Wed, March 10, 2004 at 6:30 PM > > UACT - University of Advancing Computer Technology > 2625 West Baseline Road, Tempe > (Just west of Fry's Electronics, south side of Baseline) > > The meeting will be held in the first floor theater. > There is plenty of parking. > > * Raffle sponsored by IVIS: TBA > > * Post-meeting gathering at Aunt Chilada's with free beer > and delicious Mexican food. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Keynote Speaker > > Name: Sean McNeill > Title: JBoost/NetBoost Product Manager > Company: Ivis Technologies, LLC > Address: 11201 N. Tatum Blvd. Suite 110, Phoenix, AZ > email: smcneill@ivis.com > web site: http://www.ivis.com > phone: (602) 795-9240 > pager: n/a > > Talk title: > > Accelarating Web Development with JBoost > > Abstract: Have you ever had to change the look and feel of a web app? > Have you ever had to hard-code "code access security" into a server > page -- and then change it over and over as the enterprise changes over > time? How about the challenges of web application globalization? Are > these some of the issues that contribute to the challenges of you > keeping up with your time-driven requirements? > > Ivis Technologies will discuss how web-tier entropy can and in many > cases will inevitably and steadily deteriorate your agile development > process. > > If your development process relies upon rapid change, it is important > to use technology that makes change inexpensive. > > JBoost is a very flexible “application infrastructure” for providing > your organization logistical business processes and methods that foster > malleable web-tier systems > > Speaker Bio: > > Sean McNeill has been working professionally in the internet > development industry since 1994. Sean has a B.S. in Computer Science. > Sean was the visionary behind JBoost and is also the Product > Manager/Senior Architect of Ivis JBoost and NetBoost. > Sean's programming diciplines include Java, ColdFusion and ASP. Other > experiences include ORM, SQL/TSQL, IDEF1X/ER, HTML and JavaScript to > name a few. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Real World Speaker > > To Be announced. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Todd R. Ellermann > President, Phoenix Java User's Group > Senior Solution Architect ForeverLiving.com, LLC. > 602.738.6187 > president@phxjug.org > www.phxjug.org > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Search - Find what you’re looking for faster > http://search.yahoo.com > > -- > To unsubscribe, send a message to announce-request@phxjug.org with > "unsubscribe" in the *subject line*. If you have problems, send a > message to 'listmaster@phxjug.org'. > > > ----- End forwarded message ----- From scott at illogics.org Wed Mar 10 22:50:39 2004 From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:17 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: PHXJUG Meeting March 10th Wednesday! (IVIS Message-ID: <20040311045038.GN14211@illogics.org> It's a marketing ploy for someone else each month. That's what whoring is. I didn't make it - sharing a car with the girlfriend until I get the motorcycle legal again. In order to have gotten out the door, we would have both had to have gotten ready in half an hour. I came out of the bedroom, dressed, ready to grab the laptop with 3 minutes to go and dinner is sitting on the stove half cooked. Damnit! -scott On 0, Eden Li wrote: > > Omigod the whole thing is a (misspelled) marketing ploy for JBoost. BLECH. > Free beer might just be worth it ;) > > I guess I'd sell my soul for alcohol... > > > From scott at illogics.org Fri Mar 12 11:38:36 2004 From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:17 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: [PLUG-announce]Mar events Message-ID: <20040312173836.GY14211@illogics.org> PLUG is the Phoenix Linux Users Group. They often have interesting topic presentations (not that I often go). Just passing this along in case anyone is interested. -scott ----- Forwarded message from plug-announce-admin@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us ----- ID: Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Spam-Index: 0.8 Filter-Rule: None, default is delivery Archive: Unsubscribe: , Received: from pluglist.macrosift.com (wsip-68-14-243-59.ph.ph.cox.net [68.14.243.59]) from lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug [127.0.0.1]) from cb.LuftHans.com (wsip-68-107-221-207.ph.ph.cox.net [68.107.221.207]) from fs.zh.lufthans.com ([10.1.1.150]) Subject: [PLUG-announce]Mar events Id: PLUG Announcements Subscribe: , Spam-Is-Higher-Than: 5 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 16:21:43 -0700 (MST) Sender: lufthans@fs plug-announce-admin@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us BeenThere: plug-announce@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us Version: 1.0 2.0.13 Post: Precedence: bulk To: PLUG-announce@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us PLUG-announce@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us PLUG-announce@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us plug-announce@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us plug-announce-admin@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us From: plug-announce-admin@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us Help: Content-Length: 3762 Lines: 119 moin, moin, The topic of this month's general meetings will be vector graphics program Inkscape, a fork of Sodi Podi. The presentation is from Ted Gould, one of the founders of the Inkscape project. ### Event: Devel Meeting Topic: Run what you brung Presenter: Alan Dayley Location: Adtron Corporation, 3710 E. University Dr., Ste. 5, Phoenix, AZ 85034 Time: 19:00 on Thursday, the 4th of March Abstract: Group discussion of what tools developers actually use. Bio: Alan is the host for the developers meetings and a member of the PLUG steering committee. ### Event: PLUG East Side Meeting Topic: Inkscape Presenter: Ted Gould Location: Sequoia Charter School, 1460 S. Horne, Mesa, AZ 85204-5760 Time: 19:00 on Thursday, the 11th of March Abstract: Inkscape is a SVG-based cross-platform open-source vector drawing application (enough buzz words?). SVG is the XML based W3C standard for vector graphics that is starting to gain traction on the web for graphics. It can provide smaller, dynamically created pictures for many websites. While Inkscape is a tool that can be used to create graphics for the web, it can also cover the full gambit of vector editing tasks. This presentation will provide introductions to: vector graphics, SVG and Inkscape which by the end will allow you to create some simple graphics. Bio: Ted Gould is a member of PLUG and one of the founders of the Inkscape project. Ted is responsible for the crazy polls that come up on the PLUG website almost weekly. ### Event: DeLUG meeting Location: DeVry, 2149 W. Dunlap Ave. Topic: Club Day at DeVry Time: 10:00 to 14:00 on Monday, the 15th of March DeLUG will be participating in Club Day to recruit new members and promote DeLUG. ### Event: GNU/Linux Stammtisch Location: The Muse Cafe/Artspace, 1032 S. Terrace Rd., Tempe, AZ 85281 Time: 19:00 to 23:00 on Tuesday, the 16th of March Just show up and hang. Lemon and Terrace, just East of ASU's main campus. ### Event: Scottsdale Symphony Orchestra, http://www.scotsymph.org/ Program: Tchaikovski, Berlioz and Borodin Location: Grace Chapel, 8524 E. Thomas Rd, Scottsdale AZ 85251 Time: 19:30 on Monday and Tuesday the 15th and 16th of March The Scottsdale Symphony Orchestra season is co-sponsored by AZOTO. Please mention AZOTO when purchasing tickets. Tchaikovski: Variations on a Rococo Theme, Opus 33 Vagram Saradjian, Cello Soloist Irving Fleming, Conductor Berlioz: Roman Carnival Overture Mischa Semanitsky, Conductor Borodin: Symphony No. 2 in B Minor Mischa Semanitsky, Conductor ### Event: PLUG West Side meeting Topic: Inkscape Presenter: Ted Gould Location: Glendale Community College, 6000 W. Olive Ave., Glendale, AZ 85302 Time: 19:00 on Tuesday, the 23rd of March Olive (Dunlap) and 59th Avenue in the High Tech 1 Teleconference Room. ### Event: AzPHP, http://www.AzPHP.org/ Topic: TBD Location: Walt's TV & Home Theater, 55 W Southern Ave., Tempe, AZ 85282-4962 Time: 19:00 on Tuesday, the 23rd of March ### Event: DeLUG meeting Location: DeVry, 2149 W. Dunlap Ave. Topic: Revolution OS Time: 19:00 on Monday, the 15th of March DeLUG will be kicking off with a special screening of the film Revolution OS, a documentary film by J.T.S. Moore which explains how GNU/Linux and free/open source software came to exist, and how it has impacted the technology industry. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ http://www.AZOTO.org/ # It's up to the reader to make the book interesting. # An author has only the opportunity to make it uninteresting. - der.hans _______________________________________________ PLUG-announce mailing list - PLUG-announce@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce PLUG Website at http://plug.phoenix.az.us ----- End forwarded message ----- From perlguy at earthlink.net Fri Mar 12 11:53:39 2004 From: perlguy at earthlink.net (Douglas E. Miles) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:17 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: PHXJUG Meeting March 10th Wednesday! (IVIS In-Reply-To: <20040311045038.GN14211@illogics.org> References: <20040311045038.GN14211@illogics.org> Message-ID: <4051F923.5040205@earthlink.net> Scott Walters wrote: > It's a marketing ploy for someone else each month. That's what whoring is. > > I didn't make it - sharing a car with the girlfriend until I get the motorcycle > legal again. In order to have gotten out the door, we would have both had to > have gotten ready in half an hour. I came out of the bedroom, dressed, ready to > grab the laptop with 3 minutes to go and dinner is sitting on the stove half > cooked. Damnit! I guess I should feel honored then. :) From intertwingled at qwest.net Thu Mar 18 09:31:19 2004 From: intertwingled at qwest.net (Anthony Nemmer) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:17 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Who Wants To Move To England? [Fwd: Anyone want a job (UK based)] Message-ID: <4059C0C7.4060001@qwest.net> Just passing it along... Tony -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Anyone want a job (UK based) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 15:12:51 GMT From: Trevor Goddard To: activeperl@listserv.ActiveState.com Apologies if this isn't exactly the type of perl question you were expecting but it is at least perl related. The company I work for (Avecho) is looking for a perl programmer. We are based just outside of Colchester in the UK. If you are interested you might want to have a look at our website (www.avecho.com ) and send your C.V. to me, I'll see that it gets seen by the appropriate people. If you do reply to this can I ask you to reply directly to me rather than the mailing list as I am sure people have better things to do than read your C.V. Thanks Trevor ================== Trevor Goddard Senior Developer Avecho Colchester UK ____________________________________________________________________ -avecho- | GlassWall | certified virus free | -www.avecho.com- -- SKYKING, SKYKING, DO NOT ANSWER. -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ ActivePerl mailing list ActivePerl@listserv.ActiveState.com To unsubscribe: http://listserv.ActiveState.com/mailman/mysubs From perlguy at earthlink.net Fri Mar 19 12:46:07 2004 From: perlguy at earthlink.net (Douglas E. Miles) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:17 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: [Fwd: Internet Annoyances Needed for New Book] Message-ID: <405B3FEF.8030704@earthlink.net> Dear User Group Leader: Thanks for the great response to our call, over the last month or two, for annoyances, gripes, and complaints about Excel and PC hardware. The email we got was very useful and a lot of your members not only sent annoyances, but fixes! As always, many thanks for the input. This time around, we have yet another book in the wings--this one focusing on Internet annoyances. Some of the annoying areas: Email (and spam), connecting to the Net (via dialup, DSL, cable, configuration and all that), wireless annoyances (from WiFi hassles to hotspots to fiddling with WEP), web sites (namely creating, hosting, and maintaining your own web site), browsing and browsers (Internet Explorer, Netscape, and others), AOL, instant messaging, using search sites, security annoyances, and of course, shopping and auctions. Got Internet gripes/annoyances/kvetches? Send 'em our way by having your members email me (marsee@oreilly.com) with "Internet Annoyance" in the subject line and we'll put our author on the job. As thanks for sharing, we'll make sure to get copies of "Internet Annoyances" sent to your group shortly after publication. --Marsee *** An example: Pictureless Pages Predicament THE ANNOYANCE: There are some great pictures available on the Web, but certain pictures don't appear on web pages I visit. Instead I see a red X or a funny little icon where the picture is supposed to be. THE FIX: Several circumstances can keep pictures from appearing: * There's a logjam at the web server or somewhere along the miles of wires between the web server and your browser. Try refreshing the page (press F5 or click the Refresh button on the toolbar). But you probably already tried that. * Something's wrong with the web server. The picture might not be on the server, or the programmer who created the web page might have put in the wrong path to the picture. * Internet Explorer may be configured so that it doesn't show pictures, a common setup for those with slow dialup connections who don't want to waste time downloading pictures. (If this option is set, you can selectively display pictures by right-clicking the X or the icon and choosing Show Picture.) To undo this setting in Internet Explorer, choose Tools-->Internet Options. Click the Advanced tab, and in the Multimedia section, check the Show Pictures box to make your pictures appear. * An invalid value in the Windows Registry is preventing pictures from appearing. It's an easy fix, even for those who are squeamish about poking around in the Registry. (Before you mess around with the Registry, back it up as per the instructions in the sidebar on page 47.) Select Start-->Run, type in regedit, and hit Enter. In Registry Editor, navigate to \HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\.gif. In the right pane, click the Content Type item; its value should be image/gif. Then check \HKEY_CLASSES_ ROOT\.jpg; Content Type should be set to image/jpg or image/jpeg. For more information about this fix, see Microsoft Knowledge Base article 307239. *** From scott at illogics.org Fri Mar 19 18:13:15 2004 From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:17 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Fwd: Internet Annoyances Needed for New Book Message-ID: <20040320001315.GK14211@illogics.org> Hi, 1. Installing Flash and Java plugins plugins on Mozilla on Linux/BSD/Solaris/etc. Lacking Solution: One good FAQ, which I've yet to see, on what files need to be edit to contain what information and why. I'm dependent on pkgsrc (NetBSD's package system, FreeBSD has a similar package system that fetches the right binaries and shoves them in the right places under control of 'make'). 2. Sometimes you really need IE on Linux/BSD/Solaris to use an IE only plugin or view a non-standards-compliant page or use NT domain auth to validate on webservers in a corporate setting. Solution: IE runs under Wine, the free Windows API implementation and binary layer. Wine, available from winehq.com, supports Linux, FreeBSD and Solaris officially, though NetBSD and OpenBSD maintain ports. 3. 802.11 isn't ubiquitously enough - running to Starbucks or searching maps for area hotspots is too much bother. Solution: Several cell carries now have fixed rate data pricing with different fixed prices and speeds. Sprint is reguarded as the fasting with approximately a 70kbps data rate (compare to 56kbps for a dialup modem) and T-Mobile, who also sells 802.11 in chains such as Starbucks, currently has a $20/month unlimited plan, and throughput is usually between 30kbps and 40kbps. T-Mobile also has a dedicated unlimited plan that doesn't piggy back on a voice plan, for use with PC-card modems, that is $30/month. You may need to speak to a few customer service representitives before you find someone who understands data. Before purchasing a phone, make sure it is data capable. Don't trust the sales guys, ask to see the instruction manual for the phone. Don't be mislead by phones offering short messages service (SMS) or built-in web browsers (WAP) - you want either a GPRS (general packet radio service) or CDPD (cellular digital packet data) phone, depending on the technology your carrier users. 4. Download requires BitTorrent Solution: How to install BitTorrent on various systems, how to get it, a 5 cent view of what it is. 5. Users are usually the larger Internet Annoyance. Back in *my* day, there were writeups on "netiquette" all over the place, and new users were sent there and ignored until they've obviously read it. Any book on Internet Annoyances *must* include a brief writeup on network etiquette. Specifically, the Internet is largely staffed by volunteers. By paying $16 a month to use AOL, everyone isn't magically obligated to you. There are a lot of users on the net and places providing help aren't adequately able to deal with all problemx, especially complex ones and ones where the user themselves hasn't done their reading. Don't publicly disclose peoples email addresses or other information, but especially email addresses and hone numbers. This generates spam for them. Don't cc people whom you haven't introduced. Don't forward email messages 6. On avoiding spam: Hotmail, after Microsoft purchased it, start selling not only their the email addresses of the people with free accounts there, but also the email addresses of people who mailed people with free accounts there. Posting to Usenet, chatting on IRC from a machine that email can be addressed to, and posting messages on most online bulletin boards will earn you spam. Several commercial services such as pobox.com offer excellent spam filtering in a mailbox with a web interface as well as POP access for programs like Microsoft Outlook, Mozilla, Eudora, and so on. See also 7, the frequently changing email address. 7. Frequently changing email address Because of spam or because of ISP changes, email addresses frequently change. This is a huge annoyance. You can't stop your friends from changing email addresses (except perhaps by buying them a copy of this book for their birthday) but you can do something about it for yourself. pobox.com offers strong spam filtering standard and the email boxes may be accessed in the same ways that your ISP's boxes may be. That is, through the web and through Microsoft Outlook, Eudora, Mozilla, and so forth. Best of all, you can keep your email address when you finish school, change jobs, or get a new ISP. Most domain name registrars will give you a mail box and a small amount of space on a webserver when you buy purchase a domain name from them. Start at icann.org and read through the various offerings. If you have a Hotmail or Yahoo account and you're really happy with it except for the spam, Mozilla, available from mozilla.org, has Bayeseon spam filtering which takes a statistical approach to word usage in spam and non spam email address to adaptively learn the difference between the two given the kind of email you receive. Most users report it to be almost 100% effective. To use this, you must upgrade to a paid account at Hotmail or Yahoo with POP or IMAP access to your email. 8. Your machine has been hijacked by a spammer and now you're sending spam! Don't open attachments sent to you unless it is both something you're expecting and from someone you know. Most email-borne worms steal names and email addresses from the address book and then fake the sender information, appearing to come from someone you know, so it is never out of place to reply to the message and ask your friend or associate if they meant to send you an attachment. This is a mark of an experienced network user, not a novice. Don't trust what you see. Especially be suspicious of emails that are threatening in tone, demand you open it immediately, or it promises to fix a problem you supposedly have. Microsoft and other venders and ISPs never mass mail binary attachments but instead send you a URL to go to download the file. This is far more secure, though IE has had bugs which allowed deceptive URLs. Keep your software up to date, especially any network applications such as P2P clients, web browsers, email programs, and especially-especially the operationg system itself. Microsoft is able to trigger your computer to download updates through IE, so all you need is a trip to microsoft.com. Keep your anti-virus software up to date on Windows! Linux distributions and the BSDs all have upgrade procedures where you download the latest version of the OS and then boot into the installation program and request an upgrade to an existing system. Linux doesn't require anti-virus software for various reasons, but Lindows (lindows.com) sells it for private use if you must have it. 9. Pop-Up Window Floods Mozilla can block these, giving you an icon to click on to easily unblock sites you wish to accept pop-ups from. Opera does an exceptionally good job at this as well and many people swear by it for that reason alone. (Konq? Safari?) Good luck, and best wishes! -scott On 0, "Douglas E. Miles" wrote: > > > > Dear User Group Leader: > > Thanks for the great response to our call, over the last month or two, > for annoyances, gripes, and complaints about Excel and PC hardware. The > email we got was very useful and a lot of your members not only > sent annoyances, but fixes! As always, many thanks for the input. > > This time around, we have yet another book in the wings--this one focusing > on Internet annoyances. Some of the annoying areas: Email (and spam), > connecting to the Net (via dialup, DSL, cable, configuration and all > that), wireless annoyances (from WiFi hassles to hotspots to fiddling with > WEP), web sites (namely creating, hosting, and maintaining your own web > site), browsing and browsers (Internet Explorer, Netscape, and others), > AOL, instant messaging, using search sites, security annoyances, and of > course, shopping and auctions. > > Got Internet gripes/annoyances/kvetches? Send 'em our way by having your > members email me (marsee@oreilly.com) with "Internet Annoyance" in the > subject line and we'll put our author on the job. > > As thanks for sharing, we'll make sure to get copies of "Internet > Annoyances" sent to your group shortly after publication. > > --Marsee > > > *** > > An example: > > Pictureless Pages Predicament > > THE ANNOYANCE: There are some great pictures available on the Web, but > certain pictures don't appear on web pages I visit. Instead I see a red X > or a funny little icon where the picture is supposed to be. > > THE FIX: Several circumstances can keep pictures from appearing: > > * There's a logjam at the web server or somewhere along the miles of wires > between the web server and your browser. Try refreshing the page (press > F5 or click the Refresh button on the toolbar). But you probably already > tried that. > > * Something's wrong with the web server. The picture might not be on the > server, or the programmer who created the web page might have put in the > wrong path to the picture. > > * Internet Explorer may be configured so that it doesn't show pictures, > a common setup for those with slow dialup connections who don't want > to waste time downloading pictures. (If this option is set, you can > selectively display pictures by right-clicking the X or the icon and > choosing Show Picture.) To undo this setting in Internet Explorer, choose > Tools-->Internet Options. Click the Advanced tab, and in the Multimedia > section, check the Show Pictures box to make your pictures appear. > > * An invalid value in the Windows Registry is preventing pictures from > appearing. It's an easy fix, even for those who are squeamish about poking > around in the Registry. (Before you mess around with the Registry, back it > up as per the instructions in the sidebar on page 47.) Select Start-->Run, > type in regedit, and hit Enter. In Registry Editor, navigate to > \HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\.gif. In the right pane, click the Content Type item; > its value should be image/gif. Then check \HKEY_CLASSES_ ROOT\.jpg; > Content Type should be set to image/jpg or image/jpeg. For more > information about this fix, see Microsoft Knowledge Base article 307239. > > > *** > From tran_fors at yahoo.com Tue Mar 30 11:12:37 2004 From: tran_fors at yahoo.com (Tran Forsythe) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:17 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Fwd: Internet Annoyances Needed for New Book References: <20040320001315.GK14211@illogics.org> Message-ID: <002801c4167a$35c65cb0$b3affea9@dario> Re: #9, Google's popup-blocker is quite effective and is toggleable; I use it at work where I can't install my own firewall/etc. -Kurt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Walters" To: "Douglas E. Miles" Cc: "Phoenix.pm" ; Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 5:13 PM Subject: Re: Phoenix.pm: Fwd: Internet Annoyances Needed for New Book > Hi, > > 1. Installing Flash and Java plugins plugins on Mozilla on Linux/BSD/Solaris/etc. > Lacking Solution: One good FAQ, which I've yet to see, on what files need to be > edit to contain what information and why. I'm dependent on pkgsrc (NetBSD's > package system, FreeBSD has a similar package system that fetches the right binaries > and shoves them in the right places under control of 'make'). > > 2. Sometimes you really need IE on Linux/BSD/Solaris to use an IE only plugin or view > a non-standards-compliant page or use NT domain auth to validate on webservers > in a corporate setting. > Solution: IE runs under Wine, the free Windows API implementation and binary layer. > Wine, available from winehq.com, supports Linux, FreeBSD and Solaris officially, > though NetBSD and OpenBSD maintain ports. > > 3. 802.11 isn't ubiquitously enough - running to Starbucks or searching maps for > area hotspots is too much bother. > Solution: Several cell carries now have fixed rate data pricing with different > fixed prices and speeds. Sprint is reguarded as the fasting with approximately > a 70kbps data rate (compare to 56kbps for a dialup modem) and T-Mobile, who > also sells 802.11 in chains such as Starbucks, currently has a $20/month > unlimited plan, and throughput is usually between 30kbps and 40kbps. T-Mobile > also has a dedicated unlimited plan that doesn't piggy back on a voice plan, > for use with PC-card modems, that is $30/month. You may need to speak to a few > customer service representitives before you find someone who understands data. > Before purchasing a phone, make sure it is data capable. Don't trust the sales > guys, ask to see the instruction manual for the phone. Don't be mislead by > phones offering short messages service (SMS) or built-in web browsers > (WAP) - you want either a GPRS (general packet radio service) or CDPD > (cellular digital packet data) phone, depending on the technology your > carrier users. > > 4. Download requires BitTorrent > Solution: How to install BitTorrent on various systems, how to get it, a 5 cent > view of what it is. > > 5. Users are usually the larger Internet Annoyance. Back in *my* day, there were > writeups on "netiquette" all over the place, and new users were sent there and > ignored until they've obviously read it. Any book on Internet Annoyances *must* > include a brief writeup on network etiquette. Specifically, the Internet is > largely staffed by volunteers. By paying $16 a month to use AOL, everyone isn't > magically obligated to you. There are a lot of users on the net and places > providing help aren't adequately able to deal with all problemx, especially > complex ones and ones where the user themselves hasn't done their reading. > Don't publicly disclose peoples email addresses or other information, but > especially email addresses and hone numbers. This generates spam for them. > Don't cc people whom you haven't introduced. Don't forward email messages > > 6. On avoiding spam: Hotmail, after Microsoft purchased it, start selling not > only their the email addresses of the people with free accounts there, but > also the email addresses of people who mailed people with free accounts there. > Posting to Usenet, chatting on IRC from a machine that email can be addressed > to, and posting messages on most online bulletin boards will earn you spam. > Several commercial services such as pobox.com offer excellent spam filtering > in a mailbox with a web interface as well as POP access for programs like > Microsoft Outlook, Mozilla, Eudora, and so on. > See also 7, the frequently changing email address. > > 7. Frequently changing email address > Because of spam or because of ISP changes, email addresses frequently change. > This is a huge annoyance. You can't stop your friends from changing > email addresses (except perhaps by buying them a copy of this book for > their birthday) but you can do something about it for yourself. > pobox.com offers strong spam filtering standard and the email boxes > may be accessed in the same ways that your ISP's boxes may be. That is, > through the web and through Microsoft Outlook, Eudora, Mozilla, and > so forth. Best of all, you can keep your email address when you finish > school, change jobs, or get a new ISP. > Most domain name registrars will give you a mail box and a small amount > of space on a webserver when you buy purchase a domain name from them. > Start at icann.org and read through the various offerings. > If you have a Hotmail or Yahoo account and you're really happy with it > except for the spam, Mozilla, available from mozilla.org, has > Bayeseon spam filtering which takes a statistical approach to word usage > in spam and non spam email address to adaptively learn the difference > between the two given the kind of email you receive. Most users > report it to be almost 100% effective. To use this, you must upgrade > to a paid account at Hotmail or Yahoo with POP or IMAP access to your > email. > > 8. Your machine has been hijacked by a spammer and now you're sending spam! > Don't open attachments sent to you unless it is both something you're > expecting and from someone you know. Most email-borne worms steal names and > email addresses from the address book and then fake the sender information, > appearing to come from someone you know, so it is never out of place to reply > to the message and ask your friend or associate if they meant to send you > an attachment. This is a mark of an experienced network user, not a novice. > Don't trust what you see. Especially be suspicious of emails that are threatening > in tone, demand you open it immediately, or it promises to fix a problem > you supposedly have. Microsoft and other venders and ISPs never mass > mail binary attachments but instead send you a URL to go to download > the file. This is far more secure, though IE has had bugs which allowed > deceptive URLs. > Keep your software up to date, especially any network applications such > as P2P clients, web browsers, email programs, and especially-especially > the operationg system itself. Microsoft is able to trigger your computer > to download updates through IE, so all you need is a trip to microsoft.com. > Keep your anti-virus software up to date on Windows! > Linux distributions and the BSDs all have upgrade procedures where you > download the latest version of the OS and then boot into the installation > program and request an upgrade to an existing system. > Linux doesn't require anti-virus software for various reasons, but > Lindows (lindows.com) sells it for private use if you must have it. > > 9. Pop-Up Window Floods > Mozilla can block these, giving you an icon to click on to easily unblock sites > you wish to accept pop-ups from. Opera does an exceptionally good job at > this as well and many people swear by it for that reason alone. > (Konq? Safari?) > > Good luck, and best wishes! > -scott > > On 0, "Douglas E. Miles" wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear User Group Leader: > > > > Thanks for the great response to our call, over the last month or two, > > for annoyances, gripes, and complaints about Excel and PC hardware. The > > email we got was very useful and a lot of your members not only > > sent annoyances, but fixes! As always, many thanks for the input. > > > > This time around, we have yet another book in the wings--this one focusing > > on Internet annoyances. Some of the annoying areas: Email (and spam), > > connecting to the Net (via dialup, DSL, cable, configuration and all > > that), wireless annoyances (from WiFi hassles to hotspots to fiddling with > > WEP), web sites (namely creating, hosting, and maintaining your own web > > site), browsing and browsers (Internet Explorer, Netscape, and others), > > AOL, instant messaging, using search sites, security annoyances, and of > > course, shopping and auctions. > > > > Got Internet gripes/annoyances/kvetches? Send 'em our way by having your > > members email me (marsee@oreilly.com) with "Internet Annoyance" in the > > subject line and we'll put our author on the job. > > > > As thanks for sharing, we'll make sure to get copies of "Internet > > Annoyances" sent to your group shortly after publication. > > > > --Marsee > > > > > > *** > > > > An example: > > > > Pictureless Pages Predicament > > > > THE ANNOYANCE: There are some great pictures available on the Web, but > > certain pictures don't appear on web pages I visit. Instead I see a red X > > or a funny little icon where the picture is supposed to be. > > > > THE FIX: Several circumstances can keep pictures from appearing: > > > > * There's a logjam at the web server or somewhere along the miles of wires > > between the web server and your browser. Try refreshing the page (press > > F5 or click the Refresh button on the toolbar). But you probably already > > tried that. > > > > * Something's wrong with the web server. The picture might not be on the > > server, or the programmer who created the web page might have put in the > > wrong path to the picture. > > > > * Internet Explorer may be configured so that it doesn't show pictures, > > a common setup for those with slow dialup connections who don't want > > to waste time downloading pictures. (If this option is set, you can > > selectively display pictures by right-clicking the X or the icon and > > choosing Show Picture.) To undo this setting in Internet Explorer, choose > > Tools-->Internet Options. Click the Advanced tab, and in the Multimedia > > section, check the Show Pictures box to make your pictures appear. > > > > * An invalid value in the Windows Registry is preventing pictures from > > appearing. It's an easy fix, even for those who are squeamish about poking > > around in the Registry. (Before you mess around with the Registry, back it > > up as per the instructions in the sidebar on page 47.) Select Start-->Run, > > type in regedit, and hit Enter. In Registry Editor, navigate to > > \HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\.gif. In the right pane, click the Content Type item; > > its value should be image/gif. Then check \HKEY_CLASSES_ ROOT\.jpg; > > Content Type should be set to image/jpg or image/jpeg. For more > > information about this fix, see Microsoft Knowledge Base article 307239. > > > > > > *** > > From tran_fors at yahoo.com Tue Mar 30 11:12:37 2004 From: tran_fors at yahoo.com (Tran Forsythe) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:17 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Fwd: Internet Annoyances Needed for New Book References: <20040320001315.GK14211@illogics.org> Message-ID: <002801c4167a$35c65cb0$b3affea9@dario> Re: #9, Google's popup-blocker is quite effective and is toggleable; I use it at work where I can't install my own firewall/etc. -Kurt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Walters" To: "Douglas E. Miles" Cc: "Phoenix.pm" ; Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 5:13 PM Subject: Re: Phoenix.pm: Fwd: Internet Annoyances Needed for New Book > Hi, > > 1. Installing Flash and Java plugins plugins on Mozilla on Linux/BSD/Solaris/etc. > Lacking Solution: One good FAQ, which I've yet to see, on what files need to be > edit to contain what information and why. I'm dependent on pkgsrc (NetBSD's > package system, FreeBSD has a similar package system that fetches the right binaries > and shoves them in the right places under control of 'make'). > > 2. Sometimes you really need IE on Linux/BSD/Solaris to use an IE only plugin or view > a non-standards-compliant page or use NT domain auth to validate on webservers > in a corporate setting. > Solution: IE runs under Wine, the free Windows API implementation and binary layer. > Wine, available from winehq.com, supports Linux, FreeBSD and Solaris officially, > though NetBSD and OpenBSD maintain ports. > > 3. 802.11 isn't ubiquitously enough - running to Starbucks or searching maps for > area hotspots is too much bother. > Solution: Several cell carries now have fixed rate data pricing with different > fixed prices and speeds. Sprint is reguarded as the fasting with approximately > a 70kbps data rate (compare to 56kbps for a dialup modem) and T-Mobile, who > also sells 802.11 in chains such as Starbucks, currently has a $20/month > unlimited plan, and throughput is usually between 30kbps and 40kbps. T-Mobile > also has a dedicated unlimited plan that doesn't piggy back on a voice plan, > for use with PC-card modems, that is $30/month. You may need to speak to a few > customer service representitives before you find someone who understands data. > Before purchasing a phone, make sure it is data capable. Don't trust the sales > guys, ask to see the instruction manual for the phone. Don't be mislead by > phones offering short messages service (SMS) or built-in web browsers > (WAP) - you want either a GPRS (general packet radio service) or CDPD > (cellular digital packet data) phone, depending on the technology your > carrier users. > > 4. Download requires BitTorrent > Solution: How to install BitTorrent on various systems, how to get it, a 5 cent > view of what it is. > > 5. Users are usually the larger Internet Annoyance. Back in *my* day, there were > writeups on "netiquette" all over the place, and new users were sent there and > ignored until they've obviously read it. Any book on Internet Annoyances *must* > include a brief writeup on network etiquette. Specifically, the Internet is > largely staffed by volunteers. By paying $16 a month to use AOL, everyone isn't > magically obligated to you. There are a lot of users on the net and places > providing help aren't adequately able to deal with all problemx, especially > complex ones and ones where the user themselves hasn't done their reading. > Don't publicly disclose peoples email addresses or other information, but > especially email addresses and hone numbers. This generates spam for them. > Don't cc people whom you haven't introduced. Don't forward email messages > > 6. On avoiding spam: Hotmail, after Microsoft purchased it, start selling not > only their the email addresses of the people with free accounts there, but > also the email addresses of people who mailed people with free accounts there. > Posting to Usenet, chatting on IRC from a machine that email can be addressed > to, and posting messages on most online bulletin boards will earn you spam. > Several commercial services such as pobox.com offer excellent spam filtering > in a mailbox with a web interface as well as POP access for programs like > Microsoft Outlook, Mozilla, Eudora, and so on. > See also 7, the frequently changing email address. > > 7. Frequently changing email address > Because of spam or because of ISP changes, email addresses frequently change. > This is a huge annoyance. You can't stop your friends from changing > email addresses (except perhaps by buying them a copy of this book for > their birthday) but you can do something about it for yourself. > pobox.com offers strong spam filtering standard and the email boxes > may be accessed in the same ways that your ISP's boxes may be. That is, > through the web and through Microsoft Outlook, Eudora, Mozilla, and > so forth. Best of all, you can keep your email address when you finish > school, change jobs, or get a new ISP. > Most domain name registrars will give you a mail box and a small amount > of space on a webserver when you buy purchase a domain name from them. > Start at icann.org and read through the various offerings. > If you have a Hotmail or Yahoo account and you're really happy with it > except for the spam, Mozilla, available from mozilla.org, has > Bayeseon spam filtering which takes a statistical approach to word usage > in spam and non spam email address to adaptively learn the difference > between the two given the kind of email you receive. Most users > report it to be almost 100% effective. To use this, you must upgrade > to a paid account at Hotmail or Yahoo with POP or IMAP access to your > email. > > 8. Your machine has been hijacked by a spammer and now you're sending spam! > Don't open attachments sent to you unless it is both something you're > expecting and from someone you know. Most email-borne worms steal names and > email addresses from the address book and then fake the sender information, > appearing to come from someone you know, so it is never out of place to reply > to the message and ask your friend or associate if they meant to send you > an attachment. This is a mark of an experienced network user, not a novice. > Don't trust what you see. Especially be suspicious of emails that are threatening > in tone, demand you open it immediately, or it promises to fix a problem > you supposedly have. Microsoft and other venders and ISPs never mass > mail binary attachments but instead send you a URL to go to download > the file. This is far more secure, though IE has had bugs which allowed > deceptive URLs. > Keep your software up to date, especially any network applications such > as P2P clients, web browsers, email programs, and especially-especially > the operationg system itself. Microsoft is able to trigger your computer > to download updates through IE, so all you need is a trip to microsoft.com. > Keep your anti-virus software up to date on Windows! > Linux distributions and the BSDs all have upgrade procedures where you > download the latest version of the OS and then boot into the installation > program and request an upgrade to an existing system. > Linux doesn't require anti-virus software for various reasons, but > Lindows (lindows.com) sells it for private use if you must have it. > > 9. Pop-Up Window Floods > Mozilla can block these, giving you an icon to click on to easily unblock sites > you wish to accept pop-ups from. Opera does an exceptionally good job at > this as well and many people swear by it for that reason alone. > (Konq? Safari?) > > Good luck, and best wishes! > -scott > > On 0, "Douglas E. Miles" wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear User Group Leader: > > > > Thanks for the great response to our call, over the last month or two, > > for annoyances, gripes, and complaints about Excel and PC hardware. The > > email we got was very useful and a lot of your members not only > > sent annoyances, but fixes! As always, many thanks for the input. > > > > This time around, we have yet another book in the wings--this one focusing > > on Internet annoyances. Some of the annoying areas: Email (and spam), > > connecting to the Net (via dialup, DSL, cable, configuration and all > > that), wireless annoyances (from WiFi hassles to hotspots to fiddling with > > WEP), web sites (namely creating, hosting, and maintaining your own web > > site), browsing and browsers (Internet Explorer, Netscape, and others), > > AOL, instant messaging, using search sites, security annoyances, and of > > course, shopping and auctions. > > > > Got Internet gripes/annoyances/kvetches? Send 'em our way by having your > > members email me (marsee@oreilly.com) with "Internet Annoyance" in the > > subject line and we'll put our author on the job. > > > > As thanks for sharing, we'll make sure to get copies of "Internet > > Annoyances" sent to your group shortly after publication. > > > > --Marsee > > > > > > *** > > > > An example: > > > > Pictureless Pages Predicament > > > > THE ANNOYANCE: There are some great pictures available on the Web, but > > certain pictures don't appear on web pages I visit. Instead I see a red X > > or a funny little icon where the picture is supposed to be. > > > > THE FIX: Several circumstances can keep pictures from appearing: > > > > * There's a logjam at the web server or somewhere along the miles of wires > > between the web server and your browser. Try refreshing the page (press > > F5 or click the Refresh button on the toolbar). But you probably already > > tried that. > > > > * Something's wrong with the web server. The picture might not be on the > > server, or the programmer who created the web page might have put in the > > wrong path to the picture. > > > > * Internet Explorer may be configured so that it doesn't show pictures, > > a common setup for those with slow dialup connections who don't want > > to waste time downloading pictures. (If this option is set, you can > > selectively display pictures by right-clicking the X or the icon and > > choosing Show Picture.) To undo this setting in Internet Explorer, choose > > Tools-->Internet Options. Click the Advanced tab, and in the Multimedia > > section, check the Show Pictures box to make your pictures appear. > > > > * An invalid value in the Windows Registry is preventing pictures from > > appearing. It's an easy fix, even for those who are squeamish about poking > > around in the Registry. (Before you mess around with the Registry, back it > > up as per the instructions in the sidebar on page 47.) Select Start-->Run, > > type in regedit, and hit Enter. In Registry Editor, navigate to > > \HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\.gif. In the right pane, click the Content Type item; > > its value should be image/gif. Then check \HKEY_CLASSES_ ROOT\.jpg; > > Content Type should be set to image/jpg or image/jpeg. For more > > information about this fix, see Microsoft Knowledge Base article 307239. > > > > > > *** > > From scott at illogics.org Tue Mar 30 11:46:01 2004 From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:17 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Fwd: Internet Annoyances Needed for New Book Message-ID: <20040330174601.GK23913@illogics.org> It's also spyware, which is an annoyance in and of itself. It reports your surfing habits back to Google. For the R&D department of a corporation, this could be sensitive information, exposed to eavesdroppers on the net, not to mention URLs often contain passwords. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but I'm just so good at it. -scott On 0, Tran Forsythe wrote: > > Re: #9, Google's popup-blocker is quite effective and is toggleable; I use > it at work where I can't install my own firewall/etc. > -Kurt > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott Walters" > To: "Douglas E. Miles" > Cc: "Phoenix.pm" ; > Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 5:13 PM > Subject: Re: Phoenix.pm: Fwd: Internet Annoyances Needed for New Book > > > > Hi, > > > > 1. Installing Flash and Java plugins plugins on Mozilla on > Linux/BSD/Solaris/etc. > > Lacking Solution: One good FAQ, which I've yet to see, on what files need > to be > > edit to contain what information and why. I'm dependent on pkgsrc > (NetBSD's > > package system, FreeBSD has a similar package system that fetches the > right binaries > > and shoves them in the right places under control of 'make'). > > > > 2. Sometimes you really need IE on Linux/BSD/Solaris to use an IE only > plugin or view > > a non-standards-compliant page or use NT domain auth to validate on > webservers > > in a corporate setting. > > Solution: IE runs under Wine, the free Windows API implementation and > binary layer. > > Wine, available from winehq.com, supports Linux, FreeBSD and Solaris > officially, > > though NetBSD and OpenBSD maintain ports. > > > > 3. 802.11 isn't ubiquitously enough - running to Starbucks or searching > maps for > > area hotspots is too much bother. > > Solution: Several cell carries now have fixed rate data pricing with > different > > fixed prices and speeds. Sprint is reguarded as the fasting with > approximately > > a 70kbps data rate (compare to 56kbps for a dialup modem) and T-Mobile, > who > > also sells 802.11 in chains such as Starbucks, currently has a $20/month > > unlimited plan, and throughput is usually between 30kbps and 40kbps. > T-Mobile > > also has a dedicated unlimited plan that doesn't piggy back on a voice > plan, > > for use with PC-card modems, that is $30/month. You may need to speak to a > few > > customer service representitives before you find someone who understands > data. > > Before purchasing a phone, make sure it is data capable. Don't trust the > sales > > guys, ask to see the instruction manual for the phone. Don't be mislead by > > phones offering short messages service (SMS) or built-in web browsers > > (WAP) - you want either a GPRS (general packet radio service) or CDPD > > (cellular digital packet data) phone, depending on the technology your > > carrier users. > > > > 4. Download requires BitTorrent > > Solution: How to install BitTorrent on various systems, how to get it, a 5 > cent > > view of what it is. > > > > 5. Users are usually the larger Internet Annoyance. Back in *my* day, > there were > > writeups on "netiquette" all over the place, and new users were sent there > and > > ignored until they've obviously read it. Any book on Internet Annoyances > *must* > > include a brief writeup on network etiquette. Specifically, the Internet > is > > largely staffed by volunteers. By paying $16 a month to use AOL, everyone > isn't > > magically obligated to you. There are a lot of users on the net and places > > providing help aren't adequately able to deal with all problemx, > especially > > complex ones and ones where the user themselves hasn't done their reading. > > Don't publicly disclose peoples email addresses or other information, but > > especially email addresses and hone numbers. This generates spam for them. > > Don't cc people whom you haven't introduced. Don't forward email messages > > > > 6. On avoiding spam: Hotmail, after Microsoft purchased it, start selling > not > > only their the email addresses of the people with free accounts there, but > > also the email addresses of people who mailed people with free accounts > there. > > Posting to Usenet, chatting on IRC from a machine that email can be > addressed > > to, and posting messages on most online bulletin boards will earn you > spam. > > Several commercial services such as pobox.com offer excellent spam > filtering > > in a mailbox with a web interface as well as POP access for programs like > > Microsoft Outlook, Mozilla, Eudora, and so on. > > See also 7, the frequently changing email address. > > > > 7. Frequently changing email address > > Because of spam or because of ISP changes, email addresses frequently > change. > > This is a huge annoyance. You can't stop your friends from changing > > email addresses (except perhaps by buying them a copy of this book for > > their birthday) but you can do something about it for yourself. > > pobox.com offers strong spam filtering standard and the email boxes > > may be accessed in the same ways that your ISP's boxes may be. That is, > > through the web and through Microsoft Outlook, Eudora, Mozilla, and > > so forth. Best of all, you can keep your email address when you finish > > school, change jobs, or get a new ISP. > > Most domain name registrars will give you a mail box and a small amount > > of space on a webserver when you buy purchase a domain name from them. > > Start at icann.org and read through the various offerings. > > If you have a Hotmail or Yahoo account and you're really happy with it > > except for the spam, Mozilla, available from mozilla.org, has > > Bayeseon spam filtering which takes a statistical approach to word usage > > in spam and non spam email address to adaptively learn the difference > > between the two given the kind of email you receive. Most users > > report it to be almost 100% effective. To use this, you must upgrade > > to a paid account at Hotmail or Yahoo with POP or IMAP access to your > > email. > > > > 8. Your machine has been hijacked by a spammer and now you're sending > spam! > > Don't open attachments sent to you unless it is both something you're > > expecting and from someone you know. Most email-borne worms steal names > and > > email addresses from the address book and then fake the sender > information, > > appearing to come from someone you know, so it is never out of place to > reply > > to the message and ask your friend or associate if they meant to send you > > an attachment. This is a mark of an experienced network user, not a > novice. > > Don't trust what you see. Especially be suspicious of emails that are > threatening > > in tone, demand you open it immediately, or it promises to fix a problem > > you supposedly have. Microsoft and other venders and ISPs never mass > > mail binary attachments but instead send you a URL to go to download > > the file. This is far more secure, though IE has had bugs which allowed > > deceptive URLs. > > Keep your software up to date, especially any network applications such > > as P2P clients, web browsers, email programs, and especially-especially > > the operationg system itself. Microsoft is able to trigger your computer > > to download updates through IE, so all you need is a trip to > microsoft.com. > > Keep your anti-virus software up to date on Windows! > > Linux distributions and the BSDs all have upgrade procedures where you > > download the latest version of the OS and then boot into the installation > > program and request an upgrade to an existing system. > > Linux doesn't require anti-virus software for various reasons, but > > Lindows (lindows.com) sells it for private use if you must have it. > > > > 9. Pop-Up Window Floods > > Mozilla can block these, giving you an icon to click on to easily unblock > sites > > you wish to accept pop-ups from. Opera does an exceptionally good job at > > this as well and many people swear by it for that reason alone. > > (Konq? Safari?) > > > > Good luck, and best wishes! > > -scott > > > > On 0, "Douglas E. Miles" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear User Group Leader: > > > > > > Thanks for the great response to our call, over the last month or two, > > > for annoyances, gripes, and complaints about Excel and PC hardware. The > > > email we got was very useful and a lot of your members not only > > > sent annoyances, but fixes! As always, many thanks for the input. > > > > > > This time around, we have yet another book in the wings--this one > focusing > > > on Internet annoyances. Some of the annoying areas: Email (and spam), > > > connecting to the Net (via dialup, DSL, cable, configuration and all > > > that), wireless annoyances (from WiFi hassles to hotspots to fiddling > with > > > WEP), web sites (namely creating, hosting, and maintaining your own web > > > site), browsing and browsers (Internet Explorer, Netscape, and others), > > > AOL, instant messaging, using search sites, security annoyances, and of > > > course, shopping and auctions. > > > > > > Got Internet gripes/annoyances/kvetches? Send 'em our way by having your > > > members email me (marsee@oreilly.com) with "Internet Annoyance" in the > > > subject line and we'll put our author on the job. > > > > > > As thanks for sharing, we'll make sure to get copies of "Internet > > > Annoyances" sent to your group shortly after publication. > > > > > > --Marsee > > > > > > > > > *** > > > > > > An example: > > > > > > Pictureless Pages Predicament > > > > > > THE ANNOYANCE: There are some great pictures available on the Web, but > > > certain pictures don't appear on web pages I visit. Instead I see a red > X > > > or a funny little icon where the picture is supposed to be. > > > > > > THE FIX: Several circumstances can keep pictures from appearing: > > > > > > * There's a logjam at the web server or somewhere along the miles of > wires > > > between the web server and your browser. Try refreshing the page (press > > > F5 or click the Refresh button on the toolbar). But you probably already > > > tried that. > > > > > > * Something's wrong with the web server. The picture might not be on the > > > server, or the programmer who created the web page might have put in the > > > wrong path to the picture. > > > > > > * Internet Explorer may be configured so that it doesn't show pictures, > > > a common setup for those with slow dialup connections who don't want > > > to waste time downloading pictures. (If this option is set, you can > > > selectively display pictures by right-clicking the X or the icon and > > > choosing Show Picture.) To undo this setting in Internet Explorer, > choose > > > Tools-->Internet Options. Click the Advanced tab, and in the Multimedia > > > section, check the Show Pictures box to make your pictures appear. > > > > > > * An invalid value in the Windows Registry is preventing pictures from > > > appearing. It's an easy fix, even for those who are squeamish about > poking > > > around in the Registry. (Before you mess around with the Registry, back > it > > > up as per the instructions in the sidebar on page 47.) Select > Start-->Run, > > > type in regedit, and hit Enter. In Registry Editor, navigate to > > > \HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\.gif. In the right pane, click the Content Type item; > > > its value should be image/gif. Then check \HKEY_CLASSES_ ROOT\.jpg; > > > Content Type should be set to image/jpg or image/jpeg. For more > > > information about this fix, see Microsoft Knowledge Base article 307239. > > > > > > > > > *** > > > > From jpowers at ccbill.com Tue Mar 30 12:12:35 2004 From: jpowers at ccbill.com (Jacob Powers) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:17 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Fwd: Internet Annoyances Needed for New Book Message-ID: <6365F4E07E769F4C89826D1DE90D80372E9784@CCBill-Exchange.exchange.cwie.net> Google's toolbar will actually ask you up front, during installation, if you would like to report your usage back to their systems. If request that this information not be sent back to their systems they will honor this request. I have installed it in this manner and have monitored its habits, if you ask it not to call home it won't. Jake Powers -----Original Message----- From: Scott Walters [mailto:scott@illogics.org] Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 10:46 AM To: Tran Forsythe Cc: phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org; marsee@oreilly.com Subject: Re: Phoenix.pm: Fwd: Internet Annoyances Needed for New Book It's also spyware, which is an annoyance in and of itself. It reports your surfing habits back to Google. For the R&D department of a corporation, this could be sensitive information, exposed to eavesdroppers on the net, not to mention URLs often contain passwords. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but I'm just so good at it. -scott On 0, Tran Forsythe wrote: > > Re: #9, Google's popup-blocker is quite effective and is toggleable; I use > it at work where I can't install my own firewall/etc. > -Kurt > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott Walters" > To: "Douglas E. Miles" > Cc: "Phoenix.pm" ; > Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 5:13 PM > Subject: Re: Phoenix.pm: Fwd: Internet Annoyances Needed for New Book > > > > Hi, > > > > 1. Installing Flash and Java plugins plugins on Mozilla on > Linux/BSD/Solaris/etc. > > Lacking Solution: One good FAQ, which I've yet to see, on what files need > to be > > edit to contain what information and why. I'm dependent on pkgsrc > (NetBSD's > > package system, FreeBSD has a similar package system that fetches the > right binaries > > and shoves them in the right places under control of 'make'). > > > > 2. Sometimes you really need IE on Linux/BSD/Solaris to use an IE only > plugin or view > > a non-standards-compliant page or use NT domain auth to validate on > webservers > > in a corporate setting. > > Solution: IE runs under Wine, the free Windows API implementation and > binary layer. > > Wine, available from winehq.com, supports Linux, FreeBSD and Solaris > officially, > > though NetBSD and OpenBSD maintain ports. > > > > 3. 802.11 isn't ubiquitously enough - running to Starbucks or searching > maps for > > area hotspots is too much bother. > > Solution: Several cell carries now have fixed rate data pricing with > different > > fixed prices and speeds. Sprint is reguarded as the fasting with > approximately > > a 70kbps data rate (compare to 56kbps for a dialup modem) and T-Mobile, > who > > also sells 802.11 in chains such as Starbucks, currently has a $20/month > > unlimited plan, and throughput is usually between 30kbps and 40kbps. > T-Mobile > > also has a dedicated unlimited plan that doesn't piggy back on a voice > plan, > > for use with PC-card modems, that is $30/month. You may need to speak to a > few > > customer service representitives before you find someone who understands > data. > > Before purchasing a phone, make sure it is data capable. Don't trust the > sales > > guys, ask to see the instruction manual for the phone. Don't be mislead by > > phones offering short messages service (SMS) or built-in web browsers > > (WAP) - you want either a GPRS (general packet radio service) or CDPD > > (cellular digital packet data) phone, depending on the technology your > > carrier users. > > > > 4. Download requires BitTorrent > > Solution: How to install BitTorrent on various systems, how to get it, a 5 > cent > > view of what it is. > > > > 5. Users are usually the larger Internet Annoyance. Back in *my* day, > there were > > writeups on "netiquette" all over the place, and new users were sent there > and > > ignored until they've obviously read it. Any book on Internet Annoyances > *must* > > include a brief writeup on network etiquette. Specifically, the Internet > is > > largely staffed by volunteers. By paying $16 a month to use AOL, everyone > isn't > > magically obligated to you. There are a lot of users on the net and places > > providing help aren't adequately able to deal with all problemx, > especially > > complex ones and ones where the user themselves hasn't done their reading. > > Don't publicly disclose peoples email addresses or other information, but > > especially email addresses and hone numbers. This generates spam for them. > > Don't cc people whom you haven't introduced. Don't forward email messages > > > > 6. On avoiding spam: Hotmail, after Microsoft purchased it, start selling > not > > only their the email addresses of the people with free accounts there, but > > also the email addresses of people who mailed people with free accounts > there. > > Posting to Usenet, chatting on IRC from a machine that email can be > addressed > > to, and posting messages on most online bulletin boards will earn you > spam. > > Several commercial services such as pobox.com offer excellent spam > filtering > > in a mailbox with a web interface as well as POP access for programs like > > Microsoft Outlook, Mozilla, Eudora, and so on. > > See also 7, the frequently changing email address. > > > > 7. Frequently changing email address > > Because of spam or because of ISP changes, email addresses frequently > change. > > This is a huge annoyance. You can't stop your friends from changing > > email addresses (except perhaps by buying them a copy of this book for > > their birthday) but you can do something about it for yourself. > > pobox.com offers strong spam filtering standard and the email boxes > > may be accessed in the same ways that your ISP's boxes may be. That is, > > through the web and through Microsoft Outlook, Eudora, Mozilla, and > > so forth. Best of all, you can keep your email address when you finish > > school, change jobs, or get a new ISP. > > Most domain name registrars will give you a mail box and a small amount > > of space on a webserver when you buy purchase a domain name from them. > > Start at icann.org and read through the various offerings. > > If you have a Hotmail or Yahoo account and you're really happy with it > > except for the spam, Mozilla, available from mozilla.org, has > > Bayeseon spam filtering which takes a statistical approach to word usage > > in spam and non spam email address to adaptively learn the difference > > between the two given the kind of email you receive. Most users > > report it to be almost 100% effective. To use this, you must upgrade > > to a paid account at Hotmail or Yahoo with POP or IMAP access to your > > email. > > > > 8. Your machine has been hijacked by a spammer and now you're sending > spam! > > Don't open attachments sent to you unless it is both something you're > > expecting and from someone you know. Most email-borne worms steal names > and > > email addresses from the address book and then fake the sender > information, > > appearing to come from someone you know, so it is never out of place to > reply > > to the message and ask your friend or associate if they meant to send you > > an attachment. This is a mark of an experienced network user, not a > novice. > > Don't trust what you see. Especially be suspicious of emails that are > threatening > > in tone, demand you open it immediately, or it promises to fix a problem > > you supposedly have. Microsoft and other venders and ISPs never mass > > mail binary attachments but instead send you a URL to go to download > > the file. This is far more secure, though IE has had bugs which allowed > > deceptive URLs. > > Keep your software up to date, especially any network applications such > > as P2P clients, web browsers, email programs, and especially-especially > > the operationg system itself. Microsoft is able to trigger your computer > > to download updates through IE, so all you need is a trip to > microsoft.com. > > Keep your anti-virus software up to date on Windows! > > Linux distributions and the BSDs all have upgrade procedures where you > > download the latest version of the OS and then boot into the installation > > program and request an upgrade to an existing system. > > Linux doesn't require anti-virus software for various reasons, but > > Lindows (lindows.com) sells it for private use if you must have it. > > > > 9. Pop-Up Window Floods > > Mozilla can block these, giving you an icon to click on to easily unblock > sites > > you wish to accept pop-ups from. Opera does an exceptionally good job at > > this as well and many people swear by it for that reason alone. > > (Konq? Safari?) > > > > Good luck, and best wishes! > > -scott > > > > On 0, "Douglas E. Miles" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear User Group Leader: > > > > > > Thanks for the great response to our call, over the last month or two, > > > for annoyances, gripes, and complaints about Excel and PC hardware. The > > > email we got was very useful and a lot of your members not only > > > sent annoyances, but fixes! As always, many thanks for the input. > > > > > > This time around, we have yet another book in the wings--this one > focusing > > > on Internet annoyances. Some of the annoying areas: Email (and spam), > > > connecting to the Net (via dialup, DSL, cable, configuration and all > > > that), wireless annoyances (from WiFi hassles to hotspots to fiddling > with > > > WEP), web sites (namely creating, hosting, and maintaining your own web > > > site), browsing and browsers (Internet Explorer, Netscape, and others), > > > AOL, instant messaging, using search sites, security annoyances, and of > > > course, shopping and auctions. > > > > > > Got Internet gripes/annoyances/kvetches? Send 'em our way by having your > > > members email me (marsee@oreilly.com) with "Internet Annoyance" in the > > > subject line and we'll put our author on the job. > > > > > > As thanks for sharing, we'll make sure to get copies of "Internet > > > Annoyances" sent to your group shortly after publication. > > > > > > --Marsee > > > > > > > > > *** > > > > > > An example: > > > > > > Pictureless Pages Predicament > > > > > > THE ANNOYANCE: There are some great pictures available on the Web, but > > > certain pictures don't appear on web pages I visit. Instead I see a red > X > > > or a funny little icon where the picture is supposed to be. > > > > > > THE FIX: Several circumstances can keep pictures from appearing: > > > > > > * There's a logjam at the web server or somewhere along the miles of > wires > > > between the web server and your browser. Try refreshing the page (press > > > F5 or click the Refresh button on the toolbar). But you probably already > > > tried that. > > > > > > * Something's wrong with the web server. The picture might not be on the > > > server, or the programmer who created the web page might have put in the > > > wrong path to the picture. > > > > > > * Internet Explorer may be configured so that it doesn't show pictures, > > > a common setup for those with slow dialup connections who don't want > > > to waste time downloading pictures. (If this option is set, you can > > > selectively display pictures by right-clicking the X or the icon and > > > choosing Show Picture.) To undo this setting in Internet Explorer, > choose > > > Tools-->Internet Options. Click the Advanced tab, and in the Multimedia > > > section, check the Show Pictures box to make your pictures appear. > > > > > > * An invalid value in the Windows Registry is preventing pictures from > > > appearing. It's an easy fix, even for those who are squeamish about > poking > > > around in the Registry. (Before you mess around with the Registry, back > it > > > up as per the instructions in the sidebar on page 47.) Select > Start-->Run, > > > type in regedit, and hit Enter. In Registry Editor, navigate to > > > \HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\.gif. In the right pane, click the Content Type item; > > > its value should be image/gif. Then check \HKEY_CLASSES_ ROOT\.jpg; > > > Content Type should be set to image/jpg or image/jpeg. For more > > > information about this fix, see Microsoft Knowledge Base article 307239. > > > > > > > > > *** > > > > From scott at illogics.org Tue Mar 30 12:47:39 2004 From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:17 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Fwd: Internet Annoyances Needed for New Book Message-ID: <20040330184739.GN23913@illogics.org> Ahhh, this must have changed at one point, or else my sources are wrong. Please excuse me =) -scott On 0, Jacob Powers wrote: > > Google's toolbar will actually ask you up front, during installation, if > you would like to report your usage back to their systems. If request > that this information not be sent back to their systems they will honor > this request. I have installed it in this manner and have monitored its > habits, if you ask it not to call home it won't. > > Jake Powers > > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Walters [mailto:scott@illogics.org] > Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 10:46 AM > To: Tran Forsythe > Cc: phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org; marsee@oreilly.com > Subject: Re: Phoenix.pm: Fwd: Internet Annoyances Needed for New Book > > It's also spyware, which is an annoyance in and of itself. It reports > your surfing habits back to Google. For the R&D department of a > corporation, this could be sensitive information, exposed to > eavesdroppers on the net, not to mention URLs often contain passwords. > > Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but I'm just so good at it. > > -scott > > On 0, Tran Forsythe wrote: > > > > Re: #9, Google's popup-blocker is quite effective and is toggleable; I > use > > it at work where I can't install my own firewall/etc. > > -Kurt > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Scott Walters" > > To: "Douglas E. Miles" > > Cc: "Phoenix.pm" ; > > > Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 5:13 PM > > Subject: Re: Phoenix.pm: Fwd: Internet Annoyances Needed for New Book > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > 1. Installing Flash and Java plugins plugins on Mozilla on > > Linux/BSD/Solaris/etc. > > > Lacking Solution: One good FAQ, which I've yet to see, on what files > need > > to be > > > edit to contain what information and why. I'm dependent on pkgsrc > > (NetBSD's > > > package system, FreeBSD has a similar package system that fetches > the > > right binaries > > > and shoves them in the right places under control of 'make'). > > > > > > 2. Sometimes you really need IE on Linux/BSD/Solaris to use an IE > only > > plugin or view > > > a non-standards-compliant page or use NT domain auth to validate on > > webservers > > > in a corporate setting. > > > Solution: IE runs under Wine, the free Windows API implementation > and > > binary layer. > > > Wine, available from winehq.com, supports Linux, FreeBSD and Solaris > > officially, > > > though NetBSD and OpenBSD maintain ports. > > > > > > 3. 802.11 isn't ubiquitously enough - running to Starbucks or > searching > > maps for > > > area hotspots is too much bother. > > > Solution: Several cell carries now have fixed rate data pricing with > > different > > > fixed prices and speeds. Sprint is reguarded as the fasting with > > approximately > > > a 70kbps data rate (compare to 56kbps for a dialup modem) and > T-Mobile, > > who > > > also sells 802.11 in chains such as Starbucks, currently has a > $20/month > > > unlimited plan, and throughput is usually between 30kbps and 40kbps. > > T-Mobile > > > also has a dedicated unlimited plan that doesn't piggy back on a > voice > > plan, > > > for use with PC-card modems, that is $30/month. You may need to > speak to a > > few > > > customer service representitives before you find someone who > understands > > data. > > > Before purchasing a phone, make sure it is data capable. Don't trust > the > > sales > > > guys, ask to see the instruction manual for the phone. Don't be > mislead by > > > phones offering short messages service (SMS) or built-in web > browsers > > > (WAP) - you want either a GPRS (general packet radio service) or > CDPD > > > (cellular digital packet data) phone, depending on the technology > your > > > carrier users. > > > > > > 4. Download requires BitTorrent > > > Solution: How to install BitTorrent on various systems, how to get > it, a 5 > > cent > > > view of what it is. > > > > > > 5. Users are usually the larger Internet Annoyance. Back in *my* > day, > > there were > > > writeups on "netiquette" all over the place, and new users were sent > there > > and > > > ignored until they've obviously read it. Any book on Internet > Annoyances > > *must* > > > include a brief writeup on network etiquette. Specifically, the > Internet > > is > > > largely staffed by volunteers. By paying $16 a month to use AOL, > everyone > > isn't > > > magically obligated to you. There are a lot of users on the net and > places > > > providing help aren't adequately able to deal with all problemx, > > especially > > > complex ones and ones where the user themselves hasn't done their > reading. > > > Don't publicly disclose peoples email addresses or other > information, but > > > especially email addresses and hone numbers. This generates spam for > them. > > > Don't cc people whom you haven't introduced. Don't forward email > messages > > > > > > 6. On avoiding spam: Hotmail, after Microsoft purchased it, start > selling > > not > > > only their the email addresses of the people with free accounts > there, but > > > also the email addresses of people who mailed people with free > accounts > > there. > > > Posting to Usenet, chatting on IRC from a machine that email can be > > addressed > > > to, and posting messages on most online bulletin boards will earn > you > > spam. > > > Several commercial services such as pobox.com offer excellent spam > > filtering > > > in a mailbox with a web interface as well as POP access for programs > like > > > Microsoft Outlook, Mozilla, Eudora, and so on. > > > See also 7, the frequently changing email address. > > > > > > 7. Frequently changing email address > > > Because of spam or because of ISP changes, email addresses > frequently > > change. > > > This is a huge annoyance. You can't stop your friends from changing > > > email addresses (except perhaps by buying them a copy of this book > for > > > their birthday) but you can do something about it for yourself. > > > pobox.com offers strong spam filtering standard and the email boxes > > > may be accessed in the same ways that your ISP's boxes may be. That > is, > > > through the web and through Microsoft Outlook, Eudora, Mozilla, and > > > so forth. Best of all, you can keep your email address when you > finish > > > school, change jobs, or get a new ISP. > > > Most domain name registrars will give you a mail box and a small > amount > > > of space on a webserver when you buy purchase a domain name from > them. > > > Start at icann.org and read through the various offerings. > > > If you have a Hotmail or Yahoo account and you're really happy with > it > > > except for the spam, Mozilla, available from mozilla.org, has > > > Bayeseon spam filtering which takes a statistical approach to word > usage > > > in spam and non spam email address to adaptively learn the > difference > > > between the two given the kind of email you receive. Most users > > > report it to be almost 100% effective. To use this, you must upgrade > > > to a paid account at Hotmail or Yahoo with POP or IMAP access to > your > > > email. > > > > > > 8. Your machine has been hijacked by a spammer and now you're > sending > > spam! > > > Don't open attachments sent to you unless it is both something > you're > > > expecting and from someone you know. Most email-borne worms steal > names > > and > > > email addresses from the address book and then fake the sender > > information, > > > appearing to come from someone you know, so it is never out of place > to > > reply > > > to the message and ask your friend or associate if they meant to > send you > > > an attachment. This is a mark of an experienced network user, not a > > novice. > > > Don't trust what you see. Especially be suspicious of emails that > are > > threatening > > > in tone, demand you open it immediately, or it promises to fix a > problem > > > you supposedly have. Microsoft and other venders and ISPs never mass > > > mail binary attachments but instead send you a URL to go to download > > > the file. This is far more secure, though IE has had bugs which > allowed > > > deceptive URLs. > > > Keep your software up to date, especially any network applications > such > > > as P2P clients, web browsers, email programs, and > especially-especially > > > the operationg system itself. Microsoft is able to trigger your > computer > > > to download updates through IE, so all you need is a trip to > > microsoft.com. > > > Keep your anti-virus software up to date on Windows! > > > Linux distributions and the BSDs all have upgrade procedures where > you > > > download the latest version of the OS and then boot into the > installation > > > program and request an upgrade to an existing system. > > > Linux doesn't require anti-virus software for various reasons, but > > > Lindows (lindows.com) sells it for private use if you must have it. > > > > > > 9. Pop-Up Window Floods > > > Mozilla can block these, giving you an icon to click on to easily > unblock > > sites > > > you wish to accept pop-ups from. Opera does an exceptionally good > job at > > > this as well and many people swear by it for that reason alone. > > > (Konq? Safari?) > > > > > > Good luck, and best wishes! > > > -scott > > > > > > On 0, "Douglas E. Miles" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear User Group Leader: > > > > > > > > Thanks for the great response to our call, over the last month or > two, > > > > for annoyances, gripes, and complaints about Excel and PC > hardware. The > > > > email we got was very useful and a lot of your members not only > > > > sent annoyances, but fixes! As always, many thanks for the input. > > > > > > > > This time around, we have yet another book in the wings--this one > > focusing > > > > on Internet annoyances. Some of the annoying areas: Email (and > spam), > > > > connecting to the Net (via dialup, DSL, cable, configuration and > all > > > > that), wireless annoyances (from WiFi hassles to hotspots to > fiddling > > with > > > > WEP), web sites (namely creating, hosting, and maintaining your > own web > > > > site), browsing and browsers (Internet Explorer, Netscape, and > others), > > > > AOL, instant messaging, using search sites, security annoyances, > and of > > > > course, shopping and auctions. > > > > > > > > Got Internet gripes/annoyances/kvetches? Send 'em our way by > having your > > > > members email me (marsee@oreilly.com) with "Internet Annoyance" in > the > > > > subject line and we'll put our author on the job. > > > > > > > > As thanks for sharing, we'll make sure to get copies of "Internet > > > > Annoyances" sent to your group shortly after publication. > > > > > > > > --Marsee > > > > > > > > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > An example: > > > > > > > > Pictureless Pages Predicament > > > > > > > > THE ANNOYANCE: There are some great pictures available on the Web, > but > > > > certain pictures don't appear on web pages I visit. Instead I see > a red > > X > > > > or a funny little icon where the picture is supposed to be. > > > > > > > > THE FIX: Several circumstances can keep pictures from appearing: > > > > > > > > * There's a logjam at the web server or somewhere along the miles > of > > wires > > > > between the web server and your browser. Try refreshing the page > (press > > > > F5 or click the Refresh button on the toolbar). But you probably > already > > > > tried that. > > > > > > > > * Something's wrong with the web server. The picture might not be > on the > > > > server, or the programmer who created the web page might have put > in the > > > > wrong path to the picture. > > > > > > > > * Internet Explorer may be configured so that it doesn't show > pictures, > > > > a common setup for those with slow dialup connections who don't > want > > > > to waste time downloading pictures. (If this option is set, you > can > > > > selectively display pictures by right-clicking the X or the icon > and > > > > choosing Show Picture.) To undo this setting in Internet Explorer, > > choose > > > > Tools-->Internet Options. Click the Advanced tab, and in the > Multimedia > > > > section, check the Show Pictures box to make your pictures appear. > > > > > > > > * An invalid value in the Windows Registry is preventing pictures > from > > > > appearing. It's an easy fix, even for those who are squeamish > about > > poking > > > > around in the Registry. (Before you mess around with the Registry, > back > > it > > > > up as per the instructions in the sidebar on page 47.) Select > > Start-->Run, > > > > type in regedit, and hit Enter. In Registry Editor, navigate to > > > > \HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\.gif. In the right pane, click the Content Type > item; > > > > its value should be image/gif. Then check \HKEY_CLASSES_ > ROOT\.jpg; > > > > Content Type should be set to image/jpg or image/jpeg. For more > > > > information about this fix, see Microsoft Knowledge Base article > 307239. > > > > > > > > > > > > *** > > > > > > From perlguy at earthlink.net Wed Mar 31 11:32:11 2004 From: perlguy at earthlink.net (Douglas E. Miles) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:17 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Meeting 04/01/2004 (This is not a joke!) Message-ID: <406B009B.1090601@earthlink.net> Please RSVP... We'll be having a Phoenix.pm meeting Thursday, April 1st at 7:00PM. It will be held at Bowne, which is located at 1500 N. Central Avenue, which is on the Southwest corner of Central and McDowell. The parking lot is gated, so just press the button on the intercom, and tell the receptionist that you are there for the Perl meeting. Park in the lot that is straight ahead from the entrance on the South side of McDowell. Park in any uncovered, non-reserved space. Proceed to the main lobby, which is on the Northeast side of the parking lot. If I can get in touch with Tim or Scott, one or both of them will be presenting. Otherwise, I'll be presenting "Adventures in Web Automation" From mrksteele at cox.net Wed Mar 31 12:05:45 2004 From: mrksteele at cox.net (mrksteele@cox.net) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:17 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Meeting 04/01/2004 (This is not a joke!) Message-ID: <20040331180546.ZBPZ2428.fed1mtao03.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Hi Douglas, I'm new to the group and will be there on Thusday. Mark Steele > > From: "Douglas E. Miles" > Date: 2004/03/31 Wed PM 12:32:11 EST > To: "Phoenix.pm" > Subject: Phoenix.pm: Meeting 04/01/2004 (This is not a joke!) > > Please RSVP... > > We'll be having a Phoenix.pm meeting Thursday, April 1st at 7:00PM. > It will be held at Bowne, which is located at 1500 N. Central Avenue, > which is on the Southwest corner of Central and McDowell. The parking > lot is gated, so just press the button on the intercom, and tell the > receptionist that you are there for the Perl meeting. Park in the lot > that is straight ahead from the entrance on the South side of McDowell. > Park in any uncovered, non-reserved space. Proceed to the main lobby, > which is on the Northeast side of the parking lot. > > If I can get in touch with Tim or Scott, one or both of them will be > presenting. Otherwise, I'll be presenting "Adventures in Web Automation" > > >