From doug.miles at bpxinternet.com Tue Sep 5 15:49:21 2000 From: doug.miles at bpxinternet.com (Doug Miles) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:15 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Meeting 09/07/2000 Message-ID: <39B55C51.70788D2A@bpxinternet.com> I'd like to get some volunteers to do presentations. I don't really have a topic for the next meeting, so I'm open to suggestions. Please post some topic ideas to the list, and if you see a topic you know something about, please volunteer. :) If I don't get any volunteers for Thursday, and I don't come up with anything, bring your "How Perl Saved the Day" stories. I'm sure others would be interested to hear how Perl is being used elsewhere. We'll be having a Phoenix.pm meeting Tuesday, September 7th at 7:00PM. It will be held at Bowne, which is located at 1500 N. Central Avenue, which is on the Southwest corner of Central and McDowell. The parking lot is gated, so just press the button on the intercom, and tell the receptionist that you are there for the Perl meeting. Park in the lot that is straight ahead from the entrance on the South side of McDowell. Park in any uncovered, non-reserved space. Proceed to the main lobby, which is on the Northeast side of the parking lot. -- For a list of the ways which technology has failed to improve our quality of life, press 3. From jimm at amug.org Tue Sep 5 16:52:54 2000 From: jimm at amug.org (jim mckay) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:15 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Meeting 09/07/2000 In-Reply-To: <39B55C51.70788D2A@bpxinternet.com> Message-ID: <200009052153.OAA14012@link-maker.com> that's thursday september 7th right? On 9/5/00 at 1:49 PM, doug.miles@bpxinternet.com (Doug Miles) wrote: > I'd like to get some volunteers to do presentations. I don't really > have a topic for the next meeting, so I'm open to suggestions. Please > post some topic ideas to the list, and if you see a topic you know > something about, please volunteer. :) > > If I don't get any volunteers for Thursday, and I don't come up with > anything, bring your "How Perl Saved the Day" stories. I'm sure others > would be interested to hear how Perl is being used elsewhere. > > We'll be having a Phoenix.pm meeting Tuesday, September 7th at 7:00PM. > It will be held at Bowne, which is located at 1500 N. Central Avenue, > which is on the Southwest corner of Central and McDowell. The parking > lot is gated, so just press the button on the intercom, and tell the > receptionist that you are there for the Perl meeting. Park in the lot > that is straight ahead from the entrance on the South side of McDowell. > Park in any uncovered, non-reserved space. Proceed to the main lobby, > which is on the Northeast side of the parking lot. > > -- > For a list of the ways which technology has failed > to improve our quality of life, press 3. > From doug.miles at bpxinternet.com Tue Sep 5 17:43:34 2000 From: doug.miles at bpxinternet.com (Doug Miles) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:15 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Meeting 09/07/2000 References: <200009052153.OAA14012@link-maker.com> Message-ID: <39B57716.2597C049@bpxinternet.com> Yep, sorry. Cut and paste error. :( Meeting is this THURSDAY night. jim mckay wrote: > > that's thursday september 7th right? > > On 9/5/00 at 1:49 PM, doug.miles@bpxinternet.com (Doug Miles) wrote: > > > I'd like to get some volunteers to do presentations. I don't really > > have a topic for the next meeting, so I'm open to suggestions. Please > > post some topic ideas to the list, and if you see a topic you know > > something about, please volunteer. :) > > > > If I don't get any volunteers for Thursday, and I don't come up with > > anything, bring your "How Perl Saved the Day" stories. I'm sure others > > would be interested to hear how Perl is being used elsewhere. > > > > We'll be having a Phoenix.pm meeting Tuesday, September 7th at 7:00PM. > > It will be held at Bowne, which is located at 1500 N. Central Avenue, > > which is on the Southwest corner of Central and McDowell. The parking > > lot is gated, so just press the button on the intercom, and tell the > > receptionist that you are there for the Perl meeting. Park in the lot > > that is straight ahead from the entrance on the South side of McDowell. > > Park in any uncovered, non-reserved space. Proceed to the main lobby, > > which is on the Northeast side of the parking lot. > > > > -- > > For a list of the ways which technology has failed > > to improve our quality of life, press 3. > > -- - Doug Don't anthropomorphize computers. They hate that. From doug.miles at bpxinternet.com Wed Sep 6 10:04:05 2000 From: doug.miles at bpxinternet.com (Doug Miles) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:15 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Listen to the sounds of silence Message-ID: <39B65CE5.C3DD9393@bpxinternet.com> HELLOOOO! (HELLOOO, Hellooo, hellooo) Anyone out there? :) I might just have to start a flame war to see if anyone is still alive out there. You sorry bunch of Java lovin' Python huggin' geeks! :-P In all seriousness, if you guys want to take a break on meetings, we can, just let me know. I don't want to just be doing this for my health. :) -- - Doug Don't anthropomorphize computers. They hate that. From sinck at ugive.com Wed Sep 6 10:38:55 2000 From: sinck at ugive.com (sinck@ugive.com) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:15 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Listen to the sounds of silence References: <39B65CE5.C3DD9393@bpxinternet.com> Message-ID: <14774.25871.335644.6556@owmyeye.ugive.com> \_ HELLOOOO! (HELLOOO, Hellooo, hellooo) Anyone out there? :) I might just \_ have to start a flame war to see if anyone is still alive out there. \_ You sorry bunch of Java lovin' Python huggin' geeks! :-P Gollee, I didn't know that pythons drank java. Or even normal coffee for that matter. \_ In all seriousness, if you guys want to take a break on meetings, we \_ can, just let me know. I don't want to just be doing this for my \_ health. :) I just didn't comment since the one and only time I saw the rest of you had to do with Randal and Copper Creek Canyon. :-) One of these days I'll get ambitious and raise my hand to present autoloaded single-table database access, but that's not this week. (DBI + Oracle magic + Autoload). Way cool. David From Bryan.Lane at VITALPS.COM Wed Sep 6 12:43:31 2000 From: Bryan.Lane at VITALPS.COM (Bryan Lane) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:15 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Listen to the sounds of silence Message-ID: <219B26AF200FD411A11200805FE6EF25F2102F@tef00021.vitalps.com> I won't be attending this one. I like the meetings. Regrettably I can't attend all of them because of prior commitments or time constraints. I can say over all, I plan on attending many more meetings. If in this meeting, there is no plan of attendance, I would say go ahead an cancel it. Later, Bryan PS: I don't even know PYTHON! -----Original Message----- From: doug.miles@bpxinternet.com [mailto:doug.miles@bpxinternet.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 8:04 AM To: Phoenix.pm Subject: Phoenix.pm: Listen to the sounds of silence HELLOOOO! (HELLOOO, Hellooo, hellooo) Anyone out there? :) I might just have to start a flame war to see if anyone is still alive out there. You sorry bunch of Java lovin' Python huggin' geeks! :-P In all seriousness, if you guys want to take a break on meetings, we can, just let me know. I don't want to just be doing this for my health. :) -- - Doug Don't anthropomorphize computers. They hate that. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/archives/phoenix-pm/attachments/20000906/2b3fcfc5/attachment.htm From doug.miles at bpxinternet.com Wed Sep 6 13:57:11 2000 From: doug.miles at bpxinternet.com (Doug Miles) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:15 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Listen to the sounds of silence References: <39B65CE5.C3DD9393@bpxinternet.com> <14774.25871.335644.6556@owmyeye.ugive.com> Message-ID: <39B69387.EA9D7C14@bpxinternet.com> sinck@ugive.com wrote: > > \_ HELLOOOO! (HELLOOO, Hellooo, hellooo) Anyone out there? :) I might just > \_ have to start a flame war to see if anyone is still alive out there. > \_ You sorry bunch of Java lovin' Python huggin' geeks! :-P > > Gollee, I didn't know that pythons drank java. Or even normal coffee > for that matter. > > \_ In all seriousness, if you guys want to take a break on meetings, we > \_ can, just let me know. I don't want to just be doing this for my > \_ health. :) > > I just didn't comment since the one and only time I saw the rest of > you had to do with Randal and Copper Creek Canyon. :-) > > One of these days I'll get ambitious and raise my hand to present > autoloaded single-table database access, but that's not this week. > (DBI + Oracle magic + Autoload). Way cool. Cool. I look forward to that day. :) -- - Doug Don't anthropomorphize computers. They hate that. From doug.miles at bpxinternet.com Wed Sep 6 19:46:54 2000 From: doug.miles at bpxinternet.com (Doug Miles) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:15 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Reminder: Meeting 09/07/2000 Message-ID: <39B6E57E.598247D@bpxinternet.com> Please RSVP by 3:00PM Thursday September 7. If I don't get any responses, I'll be canceling the meeting. I'd like to get some volunteers to do presentations. I don't really have a topic for the next meeting, so I'm open to suggestions. Please post some topic ideas to the list, and if you see a topic you know something about, please volunteer. :) If I don't get any volunteers for Thursday, and I don't come up with anything, bring your "How Perl Saved the Day" stories. I'm sure others would be interested to hear how Perl is being used elsewhere. We'll be having a Phoenix.pm meeting Thursday, September 7th at 7:00PM. It will be held at Bowne, which is located at 1500 N. Central Avenue, which is on the Southwest corner of Central and McDowell. The parking lot is gated, so just press the button on the intercom, and tell the receptionist that you are there for the Perl meeting. Park in the lot that is straight ahead from the entrance on the South side of McDowell. Park in any uncovered, non-reserved space. Proceed to the main lobby, which is on the Northeast side of the parking lot. -- For a list of the ways which technology has failed to improve our quality of life, press 3. From webmaster at azwebs.com Thu Sep 7 04:34:16 2000 From: webmaster at azwebs.com (Webmaster) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:15 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Tied variables References: <39B6E57E.598247D@bpxinternet.com> Message-ID: <003301c018ae$e55e1be0$408894ac@default> I'll be there! (Unless you cancel for lack of critical mass) One of my "Perl saved the day" could be my tied vairiables implementation. I can do a short presentation if you want. (Doug, sorry for not responding, I spent the last few days in Europe...) Maybe it would be a good idea to have folks RSVP. I think it's best to have a minimum number of people (4?,5?) who say they will come. If you don't have that number, then cancel the meeting for that week. You could make the "yay" or "nay" call at 3pm, and all who RSVP'd positive would be obliged to check their email before leaving to see if the meeting is still on... Just an idea. Tim From doug.miles at bpxinternet.com Thu Sep 7 12:02:57 2000 From: doug.miles at bpxinternet.com (Doug Miles) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:15 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Tied variables References: <39B6E57E.598247D@bpxinternet.com> <003301c018ae$e55e1be0$408894ac@default> Message-ID: <39B7CA41.3321AE92@bpxinternet.com> Webmaster wrote: > > I'll be there! (Unless you cancel for lack of critical mass) > > One of my "Perl saved the day" could be my tied vairiables implementation. Cool. > I can do a short presentation if you want. (Doug, sorry for not responding, > I spent the last few days in Europe...) You can tell us about Europe too. :) > Maybe it would be a good idea to have folks RSVP. I think it's best to have > a minimum number of people (4?,5?) who say they will come. If you don't > have that number, then cancel the meeting for that week. You could make the > "yay" or "nay" call at 3pm, and all who RSVP'd positive would be obliged to > check their email before leaving to see if the meeting is still on... Just > an idea. > > Tim Personally, I'd still hold it for 1 or 2 people. Some of the best discussions I've seen have come from small meetings. What does everyone else think? Should we get a critical mass? I do like the RSVP idea. I've started doing that because I had one 0 turnout meeting (not counting me of course). I'm definitely open to suggestions though. -- - Doug Don't anthropomorphize computers. They hate that. From janis at primenet.com Thu Sep 7 12:05:52 2000 From: janis at primenet.com (Janis) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:15 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: In-Reply-To: <39B7CA41.3321AE92@bpxinternet.com> from "Doug Miles" at Sep 07, 2000 10:02:57 AM Message-ID: <200009071705.KAA07283@usr09.primenet.com> I won't be able to attend, but Scott wanted to to tell you he _will_ be there (one of his many emails is down so he's not getting the mailing right now.) See y'all maybe next time! -Heather From doug.miles at bpxinternet.com Thu Sep 7 12:50:22 2000 From: doug.miles at bpxinternet.com (Doug Miles) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:15 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: References: <200009071705.KAA07283@usr09.primenet.com> Message-ID: <39B7D55E.C87CD7B3@bpxinternet.com> Janis wrote: > > I won't be able to attend, but Scott wanted to to tell you he _will_ be > there (one of his many emails is down so he's not getting the mailing > right now.) See y'all maybe next time! > -Heather Thanks Heather! That's 3 of us. The meeting is on! -- - Doug Don't anthropomorphize computers. They hate that. From lajandy at yahoo.com Thu Sep 7 16:25:17 2000 From: lajandy at yahoo.com (Andrew Johnson) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:15 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Listen to the sounds of silence Message-ID: <20000907212518.15737.qmail@web2005.mail.yahoo.com> --- Doug Miles wrote: > HELLOOOO! (HELLOOO, Hellooo, hellooo) Anyone out there? :) I might > just > have to start a flame war to see if anyone is still alive out there. > You sorry bunch of Java lovin' Python huggin' geeks! :-P > > In all seriousness, if you guys want to take a break on meetings, we > can, just let me know. I don't want to just be doing this for my > health. :) > Meetings are good. I like meetings. But I may not be able to come to this one because of work. Don't you hate it when hard drives die? :( Anyway, on the subject of topics, would anyone be interested in a session about mod_perl? I could probably do something about general mod_perl stuff (installation, gotchas, etc.), if anyone were interested. Just not today. Nothing like a bad hard drive to ruin your day... ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From Bryan.Lane at VITALPS.COM Thu Sep 7 16:27:56 2000 From: Bryan.Lane at VITALPS.COM (Bryan Lane) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:15 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Listen to the sounds of silence Message-ID: <219B26AF200FD411A11200805FE6EF25F21044@tef00021.vitalps.com> I'm always interested in tidbits about mod_perl. It sounds like a winner to me. Bryan -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Johnson [mailto:lajandy@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 2:25 PM To: phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org Subject: Re: Phoenix.pm: Listen to the sounds of silence --- Doug Miles wrote: > HELLOOOO! (HELLOOO, Hellooo, hellooo) Anyone out there? :) I might > just > have to start a flame war to see if anyone is still alive out there. > You sorry bunch of Java lovin' Python huggin' geeks! :-P > > In all seriousness, if you guys want to take a break on meetings, we > can, just let me know. I don't want to just be doing this for my > health. :) > Meetings are good. I like meetings. But I may not be able to come to this one because of work. Don't you hate it when hard drives die? :( Anyway, on the subject of topics, would anyone be interested in a session about mod_perl? I could probably do something about general mod_perl stuff (installation, gotchas, etc.), if anyone were interested. Just not today. Nothing like a bad hard drive to ruin your day... ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From doug.miles at bpxinternet.com Thu Sep 7 16:54:09 2000 From: doug.miles at bpxinternet.com (Doug Miles) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:15 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Listen to the sounds of silence References: <20000907212518.15737.qmail@web2005.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <39B80E81.64A75677@bpxinternet.com> Andrew Johnson wrote: > > --- Doug Miles wrote: > > HELLOOOO! (HELLOOO, Hellooo, hellooo) Anyone out there? :) I might > > just > > have to start a flame war to see if anyone is still alive out there. > > You sorry bunch of Java lovin' Python huggin' geeks! :-P > > > > In all seriousness, if you guys want to take a break on meetings, we > > can, just let me know. I don't want to just be doing this for my > > health. :) > > > > Meetings are good. I like meetings. But I may not be able to come to > this one because of work. Don't you hate it when hard drives die? :( > > Anyway, on the subject of topics, would anyone be interested in a > session about mod_perl? I could probably do something about general > mod_perl stuff (installation, gotchas, etc.), if anyone were > interested. Just not today. Nothing like a bad hard drive to ruin > your day... Sorry to hear that. It does suck. As far as mod_perl, we did had a presentation on that many moons ago. However, don't let that stop you. We have gained many new people since then, and it never hurts to get a different perspective on something. Let me know when you have something ready, and I'll schedule you in! -- - Doug Don't anthropomorphize computers. They hate that. From root at slowass.net Thu Sep 7 11:13:17 2000 From: root at slowass.net (Scott Walters) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:15 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: UCITA Article In-Reply-To: <3957AB2D.BBFDD4A0@bpxinternet.com> Message-ID: Howdy... Ok, trying this again here. Network connection went away, so so did my email address, so I've been out of touch. Is there a meeting tonight? If so, when and where? Bowne? thanks! -scott From doug.miles at bpxinternet.com Fri Sep 8 18:35:39 2000 From: doug.miles at bpxinternet.com (Doug Miles) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:15 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Meeting Last night References: Message-ID: <39B977CB.B9AE8E9D@bpxinternet.com> Scott Walters wrote: > > Howdy... > > Ok, trying this again here. Network connection went away, so so did my > email address, so I've been out of touch. Is there a meeting tonight? If > so, when and where? Bowne? > > thanks! > -scott Sorry Scott, I missed your message yesterday. We did have the meeting (Tim and I). We had a great discussion about tieing. Sorry we missed you. I'll get something put together for the next meeting... -- - Doug Don't anthropomorphize computers. They hate that. From webmaster at azwebs.com Sat Sep 9 06:31:47 2000 From: webmaster at azwebs.com (Webmaster) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:15 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Trying to capture an error References: <219B26AF200FD411A11200805FE6EF25F21044@tef00021.vitalps.com> Message-ID: <001101c01a51$8caa0640$cdf681ac@computer> Hey guys, I occasionally have an error in my ICM program, but I am unable to track it. Its an odd one, and I'm perplexed. What I'm looking for though, is some ideas on how to debug this... I'll resort to brute force eventually, but I would like to save some time by trying to catch the beast in the act. 1. The bug is intermittant. It happens only about 10-20 percent of the time when use a certain package. I simply get the dreaded "Premature End of Script Headers". 2. I have been able to capture other fatal errors and print them out (undefined sub, etc), but my error catching routines don't seem to help here. Might that be because the filehandles are not being dumped? (what happens on a die?) (do all 'dies' behave the same?) 3. I've tried to get around the "Premature End..." by printing "Content-type:text/html\n\n" as the FIRST line in the BEGIN block, but that is not making a difference 4. The intermittancy has me thinking that it is either a DB connection issue or that a package I'm requiring is in use by some other Perl script. Can that kind of thing happen? 5 Are there any %SIG tricks that I might be able to use. (I already use DIE and QUIT as error catchers) Well, I realize this is ambiguous, so I'm sorry for that. I'm not really frustrated by the error (well, OK, I am...), but I'm more frustrated and confused that I can't 'catch it in the act'. Can anyone help me out? Thanks, Tim From jimm at amug.org Sat Sep 9 19:32:08 2000 From: jimm at amug.org (jim mckay) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:15 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Trying to capture an error In-Reply-To: <001101c01a51$8caa0640$cdf681ac@computer> Message-ID: <200009100032.RAA22641@link-maker.com> You might want to look at the camel book's description of using eval. I'm not sure if it'll help you find the problem, but once you know where the problem is coming from it'll help you trap it. Have you tried stepping through with the perl debbuger? That might get you close enough to where eval could trap the error. -Jim On 9/9/00 at 4:31 AM, webmaster@azwebs.com (Webmaster) wrote: > Hey guys, > > I occasionally have an error in my ICM program, but I am unable to track it. > Its an odd one, and I'm perplexed. What I'm looking for though, is some > ideas on how to debug this... I'll resort to brute force eventually, but I > would like to save some time by trying to catch the beast in the act. > > 1. The bug is intermittant. It happens only about 10-20 percent of the time > when use a certain package. I simply get the dreaded "Premature End of > Script Headers". > > 2. I have been able to capture other fatal errors and print them out > (undefined sub, etc), but my error catching routines don't seem to help > here. Might that be because the filehandles are not being dumped? (what > happens on a die?) (do all 'dies' behave the same?) > > 3. I've tried to get around the "Premature End..." by printing > "Content-type:text/html\n\n" as the FIRST line in the BEGIN block, but that > is not making a difference > > 4. The intermittancy has me thinking that it is either a DB connection issue > or that a package I'm requiring is in use by some other Perl script. Can > that kind of thing happen? > > 5 Are there any %SIG tricks that I might be able to use. (I already use DIE > and QUIT as error catchers) > > Well, I realize this is ambiguous, so I'm sorry for that. I'm not really > frustrated by the error (well, OK, I am...), but I'm more frustrated and > confused that I can't 'catch it in the act'. > > Can anyone help me out? > > Thanks, > > Tim > From djmilesfamily at earthlink.net Sat Sep 9 22:23:50 2000 From: djmilesfamily at earthlink.net (Doug and Julie Miles) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:15 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Trying to capture an error In-Reply-To: <001101c01a51$8caa0640$cdf681ac@computer> References: <219B26AF200FD411A11200805FE6EF25F21044@tef00021.vitalps.com> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20000909202259.0360a800@mail.earthlink.net> At 04:31 AM 9/9/00 -0700, you wrote: >Hey guys, > >I occasionally have an error in my ICM program, but I am unable to track it. >Its an odd one, and I'm perplexed. What I'm looking for though, is some >ideas on how to debug this... I'll resort to brute force eventually, but I >would like to save some time by trying to catch the beast in the act. > >1. The bug is intermittant. It happens only about 10-20 percent of the time >when use a certain package. I simply get the dreaded "Premature End of >Script Headers". > >2. I have been able to capture other fatal errors and print them out >(undefined sub, etc), but my error catching routines don't seem to help >here. Might that be because the filehandles are not being dumped? (what >happens on a die?) (do all 'dies' behave the same?) > >3. I've tried to get around the "Premature End..." by printing >"Content-type:text/html\n\n" as the FIRST line in the BEGIN block, but that >is not making a difference > >4. The intermittancy has me thinking that it is either a DB connection issue >or that a package I'm requiring is in use by some other Perl script. Can >that kind of thing happen? > >5 Are there any %SIG tricks that I might be able to use. (I already use DIE >and QUIT as error catchers) > >Well, I realize this is ambiguous, so I'm sorry for that. I'm not really >frustrated by the error (well, OK, I am...), but I'm more frustrated and >confused that I can't 'catch it in the act'. Can you get access to the server error log? That would be a quick and easy way if you can swing it. From sinck at ugive.com Mon Sep 11 10:30:47 2000 From: sinck at ugive.com (sinck@ugive.com) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:15 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Trying to capture an error References: <219B26AF200FD411A11200805FE6EF25F21044@tef00021.vitalps.com> <001101c01a51$8caa0640$cdf681ac@computer> Message-ID: <14780.64167.895464.616694@owmyeye.ugive.com> \_ Hey guys, \_ \_ I occasionally have an error in my ICM program, but I am unable to track it. \_ Its an odd one, and I'm perplexed. What I'm looking for though, is some \_ ideas on how to debug this... I'll resort to brute force eventually, but I \_ would like to save some time by trying to catch the beast in the act. \_ \_ 1. The bug is intermittant. It happens only about 10-20 percent of the time \_ when use a certain package. I simply get the dreaded "Premature End of \_ Script Headers". [...] Unless you're evaling something in a bad and wrong way, this would seem to be a server issue--otherwise your code isn't changing, is it? So if your code isn't changing, what's the other player in the equation....the web server. I'm guessing out of memory errors, but that's just me. Also, if possible, try telneting straight to the webserver and see exactly what it is giving you before the premature end of headers.... David From eric at thelin.org Mon Sep 11 13:28:38 2000 From: eric at thelin.org (Eric Thelin) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:15 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Trying to capture an error In-Reply-To: <001101c01a51$8caa0640$cdf681ac@computer> Message-ID: On Sat, 9 Sep 2000, Webmaster wrote: > 1. The bug is intermittant. It happens only about 10-20 percent of the time > when use a certain package. I simply get the dreaded "Premature End of > Script Headers". Are you running mod_perl? I have seen it die randomly. I am sure this is partly due to something I am doing wrong but I was able to better debug my scripts using cgi first. You may try running the script offline where you can track it better. A cgi script is just like any other script it just expects to get its data in one of two ways, as a list of variables in the QUERY_VARS environmental variable or from stdin. In the past I have written a small script that just reports all environmental variables and input data and stores it in a file then I wrote a simple shell script that will resend that data to my perl script. This allows me to run it offline and see exactly what it is doing and gives me the option of using the perl debugger. I have also found it to be very useful to add extra debugging prints to STDERR which go directly into the error_log to find where the problem is. Since the bug is intermittent you will probably have to run it a few times to get it to fail but you should be able to control the test better this way. Because you will have to run it many times telneting into the port will not be very fun. But a better option would be to use something like 'curl' (look for it in freshmeat if you want it) which will request a page and output exacly what the webserver returns wich can include the headers as well. Good luck. There is nothing worse that an intermittent bug. Eric Eric Thelin erict@aztechbiz.com AZtechBiz.com: Where Arizona Does Tech Business Voice: 480-377-6743 Fax: 480-377-6755 From doug.miles at bpxinternet.com Thu Sep 14 17:00:54 2000 From: doug.miles at bpxinternet.com (Doug Miles) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:15 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Meeting 09/19/2000 Message-ID: <39C14A96.CBAFC0D4@bpxinternet.com> We'll be having a Phoenix.pm meeting Tuesday, September 19th at 7:00PM. It will be held at Bowne, which is located at 1500 N. Central Avenue, which is on the Southwest corner of Central and McDowell. The parking lot is gated, so just press the button on the intercom, and tell the receptionist that you are there for the Perl meeting. Park in the lot that is straight ahead from the entrance on the South side of McDowell. Park in any uncovered, non-reserved space. Proceed to the main lobby, which is on the Northeast side of the parking lot. I'll be presenting Perl 201 (everything beyond my Perl 101 that I can cram in to 2 hours :). Seriously, there is way too much to cover, so I'll try to focus on the most relevant stuff. -- For a list of the ways which technology has failed to improve our quality of life, press 3. From doug.miles at bpxinternet.com Mon Sep 18 12:14:44 2000 From: doug.miles at bpxinternet.com (Doug Miles) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:15 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Reminder: Meeting 09/19/2000 Message-ID: <39C64D84.D6982FF7@bpxinternet.com> Please RSVP so I know how many to expect. Thanks! We'll be having a Phoenix.pm meeting Tuesday, September 19th at 7:00PM. It will be held at Bowne, which is located at 1500 N. Central Avenue, which is on the Southwest corner of Central and McDowell. The parking lot is gated, so just press the button on the intercom, and tell the receptionist that you are there for the Perl meeting. Park in the lot that is straight ahead from the entrance on the South side of McDowell. Park in any uncovered, non-reserved space. Proceed to the main lobby, which is on the Northeast side of the parking lot. I'll be presenting Perl 201 (everything beyond my Perl 101 that I can cram in to 2 hours :). This will probably be a two part series. -- For a list of the ways which technology has failed to improve our quality of life, press 3. From mdearman at inficad.com Tue Sep 19 10:59:21 2000 From: mdearman at inficad.com (Michael Dearman) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:15 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Reminder: Meeting 09/19/2000 References: <39C64D84.D6982FF7@bpxinternet.com> Message-ID: <39C78D59.C950B6C@inficad.com> Doug Miles wrote: > > Please RSVP so I know how many to expect. Thanks! > I'll be there. Mike D. From mdearman at inficad.com Tue Sep 19 20:30:37 2000 From: mdearman at inficad.com (Michael Dearman) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:15 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Reminder: Meeting 09/19/2000 References: <39C64D84.D6982FF7@bpxinternet.com> Message-ID: <39C8133D.C4D5384F@inficad.com> Heya, Is the meeting on? Mike D. From doug.miles at bpxinternet.com Tue Sep 19 20:47:52 2000 From: doug.miles at bpxinternet.com (Doug Miles) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:15 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Reminder: Meeting 09/19/2000 References: <39C64D84.D6982FF7@bpxinternet.com> <39C8133D.C4D5384F@inficad.com> Message-ID: <39C81748.125C1F92@bpxinternet.com> Michael Dearman wrote: > > Heya, > > Is the meeting on? > > Mike D. Yep -- - Doug Don't anthropomorphize computers. They hate that. From doug.miles at bpxinternet.com Thu Sep 21 11:54:31 2000 From: doug.miles at bpxinternet.com (Doug Miles) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:15 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Reminder: Meeting 09/19/2000 References: <39C64D84.D6982FF7@bpxinternet.com> Message-ID: <39CA3D47.ADAEB49A@bpxinternet.com> Doug Miles wrote: > > Please RSVP so I know how many to expect. Thanks! > > We'll be having a Phoenix.pm meeting Tuesday, September 19th at 7:00PM. > It will be held at Bowne, which is located at 1500 N. Central Avenue, > which is on the Southwest corner of Central and McDowell. The parking > lot is gated, so just press the button on the intercom, and tell the > receptionist that you are there for the Perl meeting. Park in the lot > that is straight ahead from the entrance on the South side of McDowell. > Park in any uncovered, non-reserved space. Proceed to the main lobby, > which is on the Northeast side of the parking lot. > > I'll be presenting Perl 201 (everything beyond my Perl 101 that I can > cram in to 2 hours :). This will probably be a two part series. Considering the low turnout (Hi Mike!), I'm considering presenting the first part of Perl 201 again. There was a great deal of interest at the 101 meeting for this. Please let me know if you are interested in me doing this, otherwise I will continue with the second half, and move on to bigger and better things. Thanks! -- - Doug Don't anthropomorphize computers. They hate that. From janis at primenet.com Thu Sep 21 12:03:33 2000 From: janis at primenet.com (Janis) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:15 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Reminder: Meeting 09/19/2000 In-Reply-To: <39CA3D47.ADAEB49A@bpxinternet.com> from "Doug Miles" at Sep 21, 2000 09:54:31 AM Message-ID: <200009211703.KAA10517@usr02.primenet.com> Having missed it the first time, I wouldn't mind seeing the Perl 201 presentation. Sorry I've been absent; all of my cousins decided to get married this year (seems like) and so I've been travelling quite a bit. (As well as moving to Snottsdale, etc, etc.) This is probably too much information, but anyway! I would also like to see the second half of the presentation, so, um, Huzzah Doug! -Heather > Considering the low turnout (Hi Mike!), I'm considering presenting the > first part of Perl 201 again. There was a great deal of interest at the > 101 meeting for this. Please let me know if you are interested in me > doing this, otherwise I will continue with the second half, and move on > to bigger and better things. Thanks! > > -- > - Doug > > Don't anthropomorphize computers. They hate that. > From mdearman at inficad.com Thu Sep 21 15:11:32 2000 From: mdearman at inficad.com (Michael Dearman) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:15 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Reminder: Meeting 09/19/2000 References: <39C64D84.D6982FF7@bpxinternet.com> <39CA3D47.ADAEB49A@bpxinternet.com> Message-ID: <39CA6B74.3AA3A2A5@inficad.com> Hi Doug, Enjoyed the Perl 201 presentation. Even though I was familiar with much of it, it was great to go over to spot my personal Perl weak spots and talk over the points that are just plan fuzzy. Hey! Idea. Since we hit our book collection, I was thinking if there would be any interest in a 'Book Swap' at one of the meetings. Those that RSVP could post some books (used and out of date :) that they'd just as soon trade for a new topic. Even some old/recent tech zines maybe. If this works out, maybe we could think about livestock, vegetables, fruit....!! *wave* Mike D. From djmilesfamily at earthlink.net Thu Sep 21 18:49:14 2000 From: djmilesfamily at earthlink.net (Doug and Julie Miles) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:15 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Job: Fwd: Sr. Perl Monger Needed Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20000921164847.03626d40@mail.earthlink.net> >From: chrish@ravenit.com >Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 14:38:05 -0700 >Subject: Sr. Perl Monger Needed >Sender: Chris Herrington >To: djmilesfamily@earthlink.net >Reply-to: chrish@ravenit.com >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 >Importance: Normal > >Doug, > >Can you help us out with anyone you may know? > >Chris >Raven Communications, Inc. >2 Saint George Alley, 2nd Floor >San Francisco, Ca. 94108 >Phone: 415-837-3200 >Fax: 415-837-3204 >Email: chrish@ravenit.com > >Hi, this is Chris Herrington with Raven Communications. We are currently >recruiting for a Sr. Perl Programmer to work on a Full Time basis in Hayward >. Please take a moment to review the job description below. As well as >send us an up to date version of your resume in an Office 97 format, or an >ASCII text format. Please include your salary requirements ( Hourly/Annual >salary ), along with any geographical preferences, if you are interested. > >If you have the relevant experience and are interested, please let us know >ASAP. > >Job Description Form for Raven.0312 > >1: Title: Sr. Perl Developer > >2: Start Date: Immediate. > >3: Location: Hayward, CA. > >4: How many people are needed: 1 Person. > >5: Contract or Full Time: Full Time. > >6: Approved Budget in U.S Dollars, for each Individual needed: $100K Base >and up > >Who You Are: > >We are looking for Mr/Ms PERL: a programmer who writes PERL in their sleep, >dreams algorithms and wakes to the sound of keyboard strokes. In addition >these other useful accomplishments should resound - a medley of JavaScript, >UNIX Shell, and Oracle. 7 hardcore years at programming, 4 in PERL, >understands CGI.pm and PERL5, writes DBI and or DBM for Oracle, SQL >databases. Loves to learn, interests in XML, and Java, works well with >geeks who are scientists and geeks who shoot nerf guns. > >That should do it > >Company Information: >Our client is pioneering the construction of a Web-based infrastructure to >network a global community. Under the direction of an experienced and >successful management team, we have captured early leadership of a >multi-billion dollar market. Our board and technical advisors form an >assembly of industry leaders. As a result, we have attracted funding from >notable venture capitalists and private investors. >The Dynamics: >Today, our market represents a $50 billion potential world-wide market. By >2004, it could be over $125 billion*. >Our dedication to growth, wise investments and diligence keep us in position >to lead our market into the next generation of global communication and >commerce. Our Web-based applications provide the most complete >Internet-enabling solutions available anywhere, at minimal cost - if there >is any. >Top-tier Venture Capital Funding: >Sequoia Capital >Comdisco Inc. > >Thank you, >Chris Herrington >Technical Recruiter >Raven Communications, Inc >Main: 415-837-3200 ext. 4201 >Fax: 415-837-3204 >email : chrish@ravenit.com From eric at thelin.org Fri Sep 22 12:11:09 2000 From: eric at thelin.org (Eric Thelin) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:15 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Reminder: & AzPHP meeting Message-ID: On Thu, 21 Sep 2000, Doug Miles wrote: > Doug Miles wrote: > Considering the low turnout (Hi Mike!), I'm considering presenting the > first part of Perl 201 again. There was a great deal of interest at the > 101 meeting for this. Please let me know if you are interested in me > doing this, otherwise I will continue with the second half, and move on > to bigger and better things. Thanks! I would be interested in another opportunity to hear the first part since I wasn't able to come to the last meeting. But I have been really busy lately so I can't commit to a time when I can come yet. I will try to make it to the next tuesday meeting. As a side note to anyone interested we will be holding the second meeting of the AzPHP group this tuesday (Sept. 26). The topic is Intro to PHP and MySQL. So this should be the perfect opportunity for anyone who isn't yet familiar with PHP to get a handle on what it can do for you. We are also holding a logo contest for our website the url to the logos submitted so far is http://www.azphp.org/logos/ For directions to the meeting goto our placeholder website at http://www.azphp.org/ Eric Eric Thelin erict@aztechbiz.com AZtechBiz.com: Where Arizona Does Tech Business Voice: 480-377-6743 Fax: 480-377-6755 From djmilesfamily at earthlink.net Wed Sep 27 19:03:27 2000 From: djmilesfamily at earthlink.net (Doug and Julie Miles) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:15 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Fwd: O'Reilly Seeks Peer to Peer Survey Participants Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20000927170319.03613880@mail.earthlink.net> >Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 16:36:58 -0700 (PDT) >From: Denise Olliffe >To: djmilesfamily@earthlink.net >Subject: O'Reilly Seeks Peer to Peer Survey Participants > > >Hello, > >O'Reilly invites you and your group members to participate in a survey >that will help O'Reilly understand the technical potential of the peer >to peer wave in technology. The survey information will assist in >developing the structure of an upcoming O'Reilly Conference: Peer to >Peer (P2P). Take the survey, and you will be entered to win 10 books >of your choice. For those of you who aren't familiar with peer to peer, >take a look at this article by Andy Oram: >http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/linux/2000/09/22/p2psummit.html > >to participate in the survey go to: >http://www.oreilly.com/news/p2p_survey.html > >The Peer to Peer Conference will take place at the St. Francis Hotel in >San Francisco, February 14 to 16. Early next year we are also >publishing "Peer-to-Peer: The Disruptive Potential of Collaborative >Networking". > >We'd be grateful if you'd fill in the survey and let others know about >its existence. We feel that an important new technological trend is >building but we don't have a handle on its shape or who's interested in >it. As you know, we at O'Reilly were at the forefront of the >commercialization of the Internet, the early development of the Web, >and have been a major force behind the growth of Open Source. Tim >O'Reilly, our founder and CEO, strongly believes that Peer-to-Peer >constitutes another such groundbreaking force for change. > >The information in the survey is strictly for our >internal analysis. > >Thanks for your support. > >:) >Denise From djmilesfamily at earthlink.net Wed Sep 27 23:07:07 2000 From: djmilesfamily at earthlink.net (Doug and Julie Miles) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:16 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Unobfuscated Perl Code Contest Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20000927210621.036cc340@mail.earthlink.net> http://i-want-a-website.com/about-linux/sep00.shtml#Unobfuscated From mdearman at inficad.com Fri Sep 29 05:18:08 2000 From: mdearman at inficad.com (Michael Dearman) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:16 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Unobfuscated Perl Code Contest References: <4.3.2.7.0.20000927210621.036cc340@mail.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <39D46C60.B7219A92@inficad.com> Doug and Julie Miles wrote: > > http://i-want-a-website.com/about-linux/sep00.shtml#Unobfuscated Ya think the use_really_strict pragma will make it into 6.0? Mike D. From doug.miles at bpxinternet.com Fri Sep 29 14:05:06 2000 From: doug.miles at bpxinternet.com (Doug Miles) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:16 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Meeting 10/05/2000 Message-ID: <39D4E7E2.AE3EDEF7@bpxinternet.com> I'll be re-presenting Perl 201 part 1: We'll be having a Phoenix.pm meeting Thursday, October 5th at 7:00PM. It will be held at Bowne, which is located at 1500 N. Central Avenue, which is on the Southwest corner of Central and McDowell. The parking lot is gated, so just press the button on the intercom, and tell the receptionist that you are there for the Perl meeting. Park in the lot that is straight ahead from the entrance on the South side of McDowell. Park in any uncovered, non-reserved space. Proceed to the main lobby, which is on the Northeast side of the parking lot. I'll be presenting Perl 201 (everything beyond my Perl 101 that I can cram in to 2 hours :). Seriously, there is way too much to cover, so I'll try to focus on the most relevant stuff. -- For a list of the ways which technology has failed to improve our quality of life, press 3.