From edelweiss at qwest.net Fri Jan 15 16:32:42 1999 From: edelweiss at qwest.net (Anthony Nemmer) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:31 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Damian Conway In-Reply-To: <3BFC214A.7090600@bpxinternet.com> References: <3BFC14AE.3040807@bpxinternet.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990115153242.007947f0@pop.phnx.uswest.net> At 02:48 PM 11/21/01 -0700, you wrote: >I'm game to go down there! Let me know what people think I know someone >who has intimately knowledge of Tucson. I have a Camry and can fit 3 (I >will probably be brining my wife). > >So what should we do? > >-- >Erik Tank >Internet Services >Bowne of Phoenix >602-817-4705 > > > Don't preserve your wife in brine. Why not bring her along to Tucson instead! =) Tony From dmiles at primenet.com Tue Jan 5 18:03:01 1999 From: dmiles at primenet.com (Doug and Julie Miles) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:23 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm meeting for January Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990105170301.00892a40@pop.primenet.com> We are having our first Phoenix Perl Mongers meeting of 1999 at 7pm on Tuesday the 19th at the MAC America building. It is located at 5555 North 7th Avenue, which is about half a block north of Missouri (Between Bethany Home Rd. and Camelback W. of I17) on 7th Ave (East side of the street). Park in the big front lot. The lobby door will be locked, but someone will be there from 6:50 to 7:10 to let people in. Doug and Julie Miles From dmiles at primenet.com Tue Jan 5 18:13:02 1999 From: dmiles at primenet.com (Doug and Julie Miles) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:23 2004 Subject: Freeware Win32 Perl GUI IDE Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990105171302.007e7470@pop.primenet.com> If any of you have occasion to do Perl development on Windows systems, you might want to check out this URL: http://homepage.dave-world.net/~pete/ I haven't played with it much yet, but it looks interesting. Doug and Julie Miles From dmiles at primenet.com Thu Jan 7 15:33:16 1999 From: dmiles at primenet.com (Doug and Julie Miles) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:23 2004 Subject: Article rebuttal Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990107143316.00895930@pop.primenet.com> I just ran across this. Thought you guys might be interested. It is a rebuttal to a Java Servelet vs. Perl CGI article. Kind of apples and oranges if you ask me. :) http://www.inlink.com/~perlguy/simple/rebuttal.html Doug and Julie Miles From daves at rez.com Wed Jan 13 07:03:14 1999 From: daves at rez.com (Dave Spence) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:23 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm meeting for January Message-ID: <056401be3ef5$14862d80$4196718a@daves.anasazi.com> When is the next meeting,? Dave Spence Where do I send new subscribers to this list? From dmiles at primenet.com Fri Jan 15 15:46:08 1999 From: dmiles at primenet.com (Doug and Julie Miles) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:23 2004 Subject: Data Display Debugger Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990115144608.00cc1850@pop.primenet.com> Just ran across a free debugger that works with Perl and is available on most platforms: http://www.cs.tu-bs.de/softech/ddd/ Doug and Julie Miles From dmiles at primenet.com Mon Jan 18 16:22:02 1999 From: dmiles at primenet.com (Doug and Julie Miles) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:23 2004 Subject: Meeting reminder Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990118152202.008c1470@pop.primenet.com> We are having our first Phoenix Perl Mongers meeting of 1999 at 7pm on Tuesday the 19th at the MAC America building. It is located at 5555 North 7th Avenue, which is about half a block north of Missouri (Between Bethany Home Rd. and Camelback W. of I17) on 7th Ave (East side of the street). Park in the big front lot. The lobby door will be locked, but someone will be there from 6:50 to 7:10 to let people in. Doug and Julie Miles From dmiles at primenet.com Thu Jan 21 15:08:19 1999 From: dmiles at primenet.com (Doug and Julie Miles) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:23 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm Minutes 01/19/1999 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990121140819.00892650@pop.primenet.com> We had a good turnout for our second meeting, and for those who couldn't, I'd like to get a little feedback. Was the time/date/place not convenient? We discussed future meeting times and places. It appears that weekday nights are most convenient for those who attended. Also, we will continue holding our meetings at the MAC America building for the foreseeable future. Another topic was do we want meetings to be more technical or more social. The consensus was to have a variety of both. I welcome any social event ideas, and volunteers to do technical presentations. I'd like to see some discussions generated on the mailing list. They don't have to necessarily relate to Perl, because this is a social as well as technical. If anyone needs a job, or is looking for someone, feel free to post your need. If you have Perl questions, feel free to post also. I'd like to see a friendly community here. This means no OS flame wars, etc. :) Also, because those in our group vary in Perl experience, let's try to keep it friendly. My feeling is that if you want a strictly Perl forum, there are plenty of those already. We discussed what we want to have on our web site. Here are a few of the ideas. Please contribute if you have any others. Job board/Resume Board Mailing list sign up Map/Directions News Links - PM T-Shirts link - www.pm.org - perl.com - perl.org - activestate.com - www.pm.org/groups.html - CPAN - www.tpj.com Meeting topics Meeting ideas Who What When Where Why Calendar Activities FAQ The URL is http://phoenix.pm.org/. There's nothing there now, but keep checking back. Let me know if you are interested in helping. If you have any ideas of places to recruit new members, let me know. At this point I'm not too concerned with this. I'm shooting for quality rather than quantity. I'm also looking for a volunteer to take notes for the meetings, and post messages like this one. And another volunteer to run meetings when I can't make it. I look forward to meeting all of you, and sharing in your Perl experience. Thanks. Doug and Julie Miles From mekla at geocities.com Thu Jan 21 23:00:04 1999 From: mekla at geocities.com (Shay Harding) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:23 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm Minutes 01/19/1999 References: <3.0.3.32.19990121140819.00892650@pop.primenet.com> Message-ID: <99012122093402.00451@guardian> Tuesday nights and Saturdays are definitely not good for me for meetings. I've got class on those days. Any other day should be good though. >I'd like to see some discussions generated on the mailing list. They don't >have to necessarily relate to Perl, because this is a social as well as >technical. If anyone needs a job, or is looking for someone, feel free to >post your need. If you have Perl questions, feel free to post also. >I'd like to see a friendly community here. This means no OS flame >wars, etc. :) Also, because those in our group vary in Perl experience, >let's try to keep it friendly. My feeling is that if you want a strictly >Perl forum, there are plenty of those already. I'd like to know what everyone runs as an OS at home, or wherever you use the computer most. Just a curiousity I suppose. Also does anyone have any experience with PerlQT, or QT in general? I have a program I've been working on for X-windows which is a Windoze recycle-bin clone, with a few extras planned. I'd like to port it using QT so it is faster and to integrate it into KDE. Most of the stuff needed for that is available as custom widgets/classes from the KDE website (www.kde.org). This really started out as a simple script, but has grown a bit more complex and I still have 3 pages of stuff to add to it. Anyone interested? -- Shay Harding From sinck at today.com Fri Jan 22 09:33:06 1999 From: sinck at today.com (sinck@today.com) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:23 2004 Subject: phoenix.pm stuff Message-ID: <199901221533.IAA04453@dsl98.phnx.uswest.net> 1) Reply doesn't work as I expected (mail wanted to go back to the individual rather than the list). How does everyone else feel about this, and can the setting be changed? 2) If we're looking for members, dropping a note off to phoenix linux user's group (PLUG) or AZ Sys Admin (AZSAGE) would prolly generate a heap o' folks. 3) Meetings. Yum. Tasty. Wish there were a televideo option for those of us to lazy to drive out of our burbette to Phoenix. Mebbe we can use ASU facilities for this? If we invited students? Don't anyone get hyper, it was just an idea. :-) Show them the true way before they have to learn something useful, like, say, Fortran. Sorry, FORTRAN. 4) As to the OS of choice for me, I run linux by default, but have '95 and NT on my box at home as well. Keeps the customers happy. 5) Ob perl: when using a flat-file database for a cgi app, please be sure to wrap the calls to read/write the file with flock(). I've had to deal with other folks' race condition-corrupted files too many times now. OTOH, it's good for job security. :-) David From bryan.lane at rez.com Fri Jan 22 11:00:35 1999 From: bryan.lane at rez.com (Lane, Bryan) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:23 2004 Subject: Shay Harding Message-ID: Shay Harding wrote: >I'd like to know what everyone runs as an OS at home, or wherever you use the computer most. Just a curiousity I suppose. I use Windows 95 and Linux 5.1 at home. I use Windows 95 and Unix at work. >Also does anyone have any experience with PerlQT, or QT in general? I have a program I've been working on for X-windows which is a Windoze recycle-bin clone, with a few extras planned. I'd like to port it using QT so it is faster and to integrate it into KDE. Most of the stuff needed for that is available as custom widgets/classes from the KDE website (www.kde.org). Sorry no experiance with PerlQT or QT. Bryan From bryan.lane at rez.com Fri Jan 22 11:13:27 1999 From: bryan.lane at rez.com (Lane, Bryan) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:23 2004 Subject: David Message-ID: According to David: >1) Reply doesn't work as I expected (mail wanted to go back to the individual rather than the list). How does everyone else feel about this, and can the setting be changed? I think the setting should be changed. There is always a way to do it, but I'm not sure how. Doug any ideas? >2) If we're looking for members, dropping a note off to phoenix linux user's group (PLUG) or AZ Sys Admin (AZSAGE) would prolly generate a heap o' folks. That was one of the items we talked about on Tuesday's meeting. Only there is one hole with this plan, no one was assigned to do the honors. >3) Meetings. Yum. Tasty. Wish there were a televideo option for those of us to lazy to drive out of our burbette to Phoenix. Mebbe we can use ASU facilities for this? If we invited students? Don't anyone get hyper, it was just an idea. :-) Show them the true way before they have to learn something useful, like, say, Fortran. Sorry, FORTRAN. I live in Apache Junction. I know what you mean. At the meeting we discussed a couple of different options for this. We even thought about splitting the group's meeting place into two different locations. One for East Valley folks, and the other for West Valley folks. ASU would be a definite possibility. Anyone have other ideas? >4) As to the OS of choice for me, I run linux by default, but have '95 and NT on my box at home as well. Keeps the customers happy. >5) Ob perl: when using a flat-file database for a cgi app, please be sure to wrap the calls to read/write the file with flock(). I've had to deal with other folks' race condition-corrupted files too many times now. OTOH, it's good for job security. :-) Hopefully we can come to some kind of arrangement that is both convenient and beneficial for everyone. At the Tuesday meeting Doug kept asking for ideas, so I'm sure that anyone who has an idea can rest assured that it will be seriously considered. Bryan From sinck at today.com Fri Jan 22 12:18:49 1999 From: sinck at today.com (sinck@today.com) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:23 2004 Subject: honors Message-ID: <199901221818.LAA05231@dsl98.phnx.uswest.net> quoth Bryan: \_ >2) If we're looking for members, dropping a note off to phoenix linux \_ user's group (PLUG) or AZ Sys Admin (AZSAGE) would prolly generate \_ a heap o' folks. \_ \_ That was one of the items we talked about on Tuesday's meeting. Only there \_ is one hole with this plan, no one was assigned to do the honors. Unless someone supersedes me or posts to plug before I do, I'll drop in a note today along about 2 or so. I don't subscribe to AZSage's list, so someone else want to step forward? \_ One for \_ East Valley folks, and the other for West Valley folks. ASU would be a \_ definite possibility. Anyone have other ideas? The only problem would be if they aren't connected at least audioly. I don't know if there's enough mass for an East/West division yet (but that comes from not making it to the meeting, too, I suppose. :-) \_ ideas, so I'm sure that anyone who has an idea can rest assured \_ that it will be seriously considered. Don't go sayin' that. You'll get my hopes up and I'll start making up unreasonable ideas. Involving rewarding attendance with beer and bucket's o' gold, for example. ob perl: don't check for an undefined status using undef. use (! defined()) instead. ob comment: No, I *swear* I never did this. :-) David From dmiles at primenet.com Fri Jan 22 15:16:37 1999 From: dmiles at primenet.com (Doug and Julie Miles) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:23 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm welcome message Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990122141637.0088dcf0@pop.primenet.com> While making admin changes, the list dumped everyone. I resubscribed everyone, so that is why you got the welcome message. Everything should work fine now. Thanks. Doug and Julie Miles From dmiles at primenet.com Fri Jan 22 15:32:04 1999 From: dmiles at primenet.com (Doug and Julie Miles) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:23 2004 Subject: honors In-Reply-To: <199901221818.LAA05231@dsl98.phnx.uswest.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990122143204.00889330@pop.primenet.com> At 11:18 AM 1/22/99 -0700, you wrote: > >quoth Bryan: > >\_ >2) If we're looking for members, dropping a note off to phoenix linux >\_ user's group (PLUG) or AZ Sys Admin (AZSAGE) would prolly generate >\_ a heap o' folks. >\_ >\_ That was one of the items we talked about on Tuesday's meeting. Only there >\_ is one hole with this plan, no one was assigned to do the honors. > >Unless someone supersedes me or posts to plug before I do, I'll drop >in a note today along about 2 or so. I don't subscribe to AZSage's >list, so someone else want to step forward? Mail away! Doug and Julie Miles From dmiles at primenet.com Fri Jan 22 15:38:01 1999 From: dmiles at primenet.com (Doug and Julie Miles) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:23 2004 Subject: OS (was Re: Phoenix.pm Minutes 01/19/1999) In-Reply-To: <99012122093402.00451@guardian> References: <3.0.3.32.19990121140819.00892650@pop.primenet.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990122143801.008aea10@pop.primenet.com> At 10:00 PM 1/21/99 -0700, you wrote: >I'd like to know what everyone runs as an OS at home, or wherever you use the >computer most. Just a curiousity I suppose. I use Windows 95, and Red Hat 5.1. I've got too many Plug and Pray devices on my current computer, so I'm thinking of trying to get an old 486 I have up on Red Hat as a local webserver. >Also does anyone have any experience with PerlQT, or QT in general? I have a >program I've been working on for X-windows which is a Windoze recycle-bin >clone, with a few extras planned. I'd like to port it using QT so it is faster >and to integrate it into KDE. Most of the stuff needed for that is available as >custom widgets/classes from the KDE website (www.kde.org). > >This really started out as a simple script, but has grown a bit more complex >and I still have 3 pages of stuff to add to it. Anyone interested? Sorry, can't help here. Doug and Julie Miles From dmiles at primenet.com Fri Jan 22 16:05:12 1999 From: dmiles at primenet.com (Doug and Julie Miles) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:23 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Reply-to changed Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990122150512.008afd70@pop.primenet.com> I changed the reply-to to the list's address. The majordomo FAQ gave all kinds of dire consequences that might occur when using this option, but we'll give it a try. :) Doug and Julie Miles From bryan.lane at rez.com Fri Jan 22 16:38:52 1999 From: bryan.lane at rez.com (Lane, Bryan) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:23 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Reply-to changed Message-ID: Looks like it will work. Keep our fingers crossed I guess. Bryan > -----Original Message----- > From: Doug and Julie Miles [mailto:dmiles@primenet.com] > Sent: Friday, January 22, 1999 3:05 PM > To: phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org > Subject: Phoenix.pm: Reply-to changed > > > I changed the reply-to to the list's address. The majordomo > FAQ gave all > kinds of dire consequences that might occur when using this > option, but > we'll give it a try. :) > > Doug and Julie Miles > From p at dancris.com Fri Jan 22 22:57:37 1999 From: p at dancris.com (Peter J Jones) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:23 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Re: Message-ID: <36A956C0.413F44B@dancris.com> Hello all, Just thought that I would add my $0.02 in. As far as my OS I use FreeBSD at home and Solaris, AIX and NT at work. Oh yeah, can't forget my wife's Mac (Performa 630). I did everything the hard way with my FreeBSD box so I would love to help anyone with such questions if I can. If anyone hears of a job doing Perl stuff I would just love to apply. I am doing Perl programming at AMEX and so far they do not seem to be open minded about it. Meeting time sounds good (I just need to get my butt down there). Anyone have any really good tips for debugging Perl Modules? Can't seem to get gdb to do it. See you all at the next meeting, Peter J Jones Surprise, AZ From dmiles at primenet.com Mon Jan 25 11:04:50 1999 From: dmiles at primenet.com (Doug and Julie Miles) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:23 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Next meeting Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990125100450.0089fdb0@pop.primenet.com> We are having our next Phoenix Perl Mongers meeting at 7pm on Wednesday the 3rd at the MAC America building. It is located at 5555 North 7th Avenue, which is about half a block north of Missouri (Between Bethany Home Rd. and Camelback W. of I17) on 7th Ave (East side of the street). Park in the big front lot. The lobby door will be locked, but someone will be there from 6:50 to 7:10 to let people in. Please be prompt, as once the meeting starts, there will be no one to let anyone in. I will be presenting a little utility that I hacked together (with the emphasis on hacked) to generate html pages from templates and html fragments for your delight and edification. The remaining time will be open. Doug and Julie Miles From tony at autodispatch.com Mon Jan 25 10:45:04 1999 From: tony at autodispatch.com (tony@autodispatch.com) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:17:23 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Re: In-Reply-To: <36A956C0.413F44B@dancris.com> Message-ID: Peter, The debugger is optionally build into the perl binary. You have to compile with the debug option turned on. You can check your local copy by typing: perl -de 42 You will see something like: ------------------------------------ Loading DB routines from perl5db.pl version 1.0401 Emacs support available. Enter h or `h h' for help. main::(-e:1): 42 DB<1> ------------------------------------ If you don't see this, perl will tell you that it has to be compiled with the 'debug' option. I don't recall the build flags, sorry.... pull down the latest distribution from www.perl.com and recompile. The debugger works best if you also get all the "*Read*" modules from the cpan: Term:: ::ReadKey Rdcf Read keystrokes and change terminal modes KJALB ::ReadLine Sdcf Common interface for various implementations ILYAZ Term::ReadLine:: ::Perl RdpO GNU Readline history and completion in Perl ILYAZ ::Gnu RdcO GNU Readline XS library wrapper HAYASHI This is my bash function to start the debugger. I use the db to try out new syntax and check things i run across. You can remove the "-I*" if you don't have libs you need to include. function pd () { echo "starting perl in debug mode, lib ~/bin and ~/perl/lib are included"; perl -I/home/foo/bin -I/home/foo/perl/lib -de 34 } Regards, Tony On Fri, 22 Jan 1999, Peter J Jones wrote: > Hello all, > > Just thought that I would add my $0.02 in. > > As far as my OS I use FreeBSD at home and Solaris, AIX and NT at > work. Oh yeah, can't forget my wife's Mac (Performa 630). I did > everything the hard way with my FreeBSD box so I would love to help > anyone with such questions if I can. If anyone hears of a job doing Perl > stuff I would just love to apply. I am doing Perl programming at AMEX > and so far they do not seem to be open minded about it. Meeting time > sounds good (I just need to get my butt down there). > > Anyone have any really good tips for debugging Perl Modules? Can't > seem to get gdb to do it. > > See you all at the next meeting, > > Peter J Jones > Surprise, AZ >