From doug.miles at ns2.phoenix.bowne.com  Wed Dec  1 16:35:47 1999
From: doug.miles at ns2.phoenix.bowne.com (Douglas E. Miles)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:17:42 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Next meeting
Message-ID: <3845A2C3.E3B209D3@bpxinternet.com>

So any preferences for the next meeting?  I won't be able to put a
presentation together, so volunteers are welcome.  I no one volunteers,
or if a majority prefers, we'll just get together at the Willow.  I'm
looking at the 14th as the tentative date.  We'll then take a break for
the holidays, and get back on schedule next year (with code chiseled in
stone tablets if necessary). :)

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From dmiles at primenet.com  Wed Dec  1 19:37:27 1999
From: dmiles at primenet.com (Doug and Julie Miles)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:17:42 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: XS/SWIG
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19991201183727.00a72200@pop.primenet.com>

Has anyone out there used XS or SWIG to glue Perl to C?  I'd put my vote in
for this as a topic.


From kev at primenet.com  Wed Dec  1 20:35:33 1999
From: kev at primenet.com (Kevin Buettner)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:17:42 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: XS/SWIG
In-Reply-To: Doug and Julie Miles <dmiles@primenet.com>
        "Phoenix.pm: XS/SWIG" (Dec  1,  6:37pm)
References: <3.0.3.32.19991201183727.00a72200@pop.primenet.com>
Message-ID: <991202023533.ZM11478@saguaro.lan>

On Dec 1,  6:37pm, Doug and Julie Miles wrote:

> Has anyone out there used XS or SWIG to glue Perl to C?  I'd put my vote in
> for this as a topic.

I've used XS to embed the perl environment in my favorite editor and
even designed and implemented an API for communicating between the editor
and perl.  See

    http://www.primenet.com/~kev/kevin/software/vile-perl-api.html

for the API details.  (This document is probably a little bit out of
date.) Grab a copy of the vile source code to see how it was done. 
One of the cool things about this document and the source code is that
I embedded the documentation in the source code and then use a perl
one-liner and one of the pod translators to convert it to different
forms.

It's been close to two years since I did any of this though and am a
bit rusty at the moment.  (I.e, I'm probably not the best one to speak
on the subject.)

O'Reilly's "Advanced Perl Programming" does a pretty good job of
covering both XS and SWIG though.  If you're interested in doing this
sort of thing, you'll definitely want to get this book.

If you're contemplating a project like that needs an extension and are
wondering whether to use XS or SWIG...  my feeling is that SWIG is for
wimps.  Writing the XS code is definitely a lot more fun.  (And also a
lot more difficult.) Also, with XS, you'll be able to tailor your
interface so that it is more "perlish".  If you do your interface with
SWIG and fail to provide a wrapper, the stuff you write in perl which
uses the extension library will end up looking a lot like C/C++ code
to do the same thing.

Kevin

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From forsythe at primenet.com  Thu Dec  2 02:25:48 1999
From: forsythe at primenet.com (Tran Forsythe)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:17:42 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Next meeting
References: <3845A2C3.E3B209D3@bpxinternet.com>
Message-ID: <002801bf3c9e$dbe85900$0100a8c0@tran>


*shrug* It's not much, but I've got that "du" & "tree" hybrid that I hacked
together; I could show that off if noone's got anything better (please,
someone have something better... it'll be a pretty pitiful presentation
otherwise ;) )

-Kurt

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<click>
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-Brad Morrison



From dmiles at primenet.com  Thu Dec  2 20:43:36 1999
From: dmiles at primenet.com (Doug and Julie Miles)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:17:42 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Pretty Park Virus Warning
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19991202194336.008ca100@pop.primenet.com>

I never thought I'd be writing one of these messages, but I did actually
receive this virus.  I did not run it though, and I did a little research.
This is a page I found regarding it:

http://www.esafe.com/vcenter/pretty.html

Please do not execute this program if you receive it.  Also this is a good
time to remember not to run attachments that you are not sure of.  These
things may actually come from someone you know, because it will make it
look like the email came from that person.  Please be careful out there.

Doug Miles
dmiles@primenet.com


From doug.miles at ns2.phoenix.bowne.com  Mon Dec  6 16:22:40 1999
From: doug.miles at ns2.phoenix.bowne.com (Douglas E. Miles)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:17:42 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: CGI redirect question
Message-ID: <384C3730.32F9A82E@bpxinternet.com>

I have something weird going on here...

I have a cgi script that generates a couple of HTML pages from
templates, and then does a redirect to one of the generated pages.  The
problem is that the page is only about half there.  The weird part is
that this has been working fine for a couple of months.  I'm wondering
if somehow the redirect is reaching the browser before the page is
finished generating, thus killing the CGI before it completes.  The only
way that I can think of this happening is if the web server (apache on
RH Linux) is somehow caching the redirect response.  Any thoughts? 
Also, it works fine from the command line.  Thanks!

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From sinck at corp.quepasa.com  Mon Dec  6 16:40:07 1999
From: sinck at corp.quepasa.com (sinck@corp.quepasa.com)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:17:42 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: CGI redirect question
References: <384C3730.32F9A82E@bpxinternet.com>
Message-ID: <14412.15175.777478.727313@ip100.corp.quepasa.com>


\_ RH Linux) is somehow caching the redirect response.  Any thoughts? 
\_ Also, it works fine from the command line.  Thanks!

Dump file & memory cache, restart browser.
Set 'check remote document' wherever it's hiding to 'every time'.
Dump any gen'ed files and try the whole kit and kaboodle again.
Scan the error/access logs.

David

From doug.miles at ns2.phoenix.bowne.com  Mon Dec  6 16:50:56 1999
From: doug.miles at ns2.phoenix.bowne.com (Douglas E. Miles)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:17:42 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: CGI redirect question
References: <384C3730.32F9A82E@bpxinternet.com>
 <14412.15175.777478.727313@ip100.corp.quepasa.com>
Message-ID: <384C3DD0.BCC73254@bpxinternet.com>

sinck@corp.quepasa.com wrote:
> 
> \_ RH Linux) is somehow caching the redirect response.  Any thoughts?
> \_ Also, it works fine from the command line.  Thanks!

Thanks David.
 
> Dump file & memory cache, restart browser.

Check, no go.  Also, I have tried it off of browsers that have never
executed it before.

> Set 'check remote document' wherever it's hiding to 'every time'.

Check, no go.

> Dump any gen'ed files and try the whole kit and kaboodle again.

Check, no go.

> Scan the error/access logs.

Nothing in the error logs, and the access log appears normal.

Any other ideas? :)

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From forsythe at primenet.com  Mon Dec  6 17:10:22 1999
From: forsythe at primenet.com (Tran Forsythe)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:17:42 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: CGI redirect question
References: <384C3730.32F9A82E@bpxinternet.com><14412.15175.777478.727313@ip100.corp.quepasa.com> <384C3DD0.BCC73254@bpxinternet.com>
Message-ID: <001a01bf403f$16e3ac00$0100a8c0@tran>


> Any other ideas? :)

Here's a totally random thought... you said it works on the command line,
but have you tried telnetting to port 80 (or whatever you have it set to)
and seeing what you get back by doing a GET manually?  Perhaps the Apache
server is choking somewhere.

Just a thought,
-Kurt


From mark at wcws.com  Mon Dec  6 23:42:55 1999
From: mark at wcws.com (Mark A. Sharkey)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:17:42 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: wrong place to post?
References: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9911301457140.13486-100000@the.endless.org>
Message-ID: <384C9E5F.25655A99@wcws.com>

Hello,

Probably the wrong place to ask this; but, does anyone on the list have an
interest in doing some Tcl/MySQL programming?  I have a part-time, long term
project available (16+hours/week probably through March or later).  Tcl
experience would be a plus, but, a strong background in MySQL might do the
trick.



Mark

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From phaedrus at endless.org  Tue Dec  7 09:59:39 1999
From: phaedrus at endless.org (Phaedrus)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:17:42 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: CGI redirect question
In-Reply-To: <384C3730.32F9A82E@bpxinternet.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9912071054470.13529-100000@the.endless.org>

> From: Douglas E. Miles <doug.miles@ns2.phoenix.bowne.com>

If that is your real name...

> Reply-To: phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org

You'd like that, wouldn't you?

> To: Phoenix.pm <phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org>

You called me WHAT?

> Subject: Phoenix.pm: CGI redirect question

I'm hoping on this one late in the game... just making sure I understand
the question right now, then I may or may not have anything useful to
say..

> 
> I have something weird going on here...
> 
> I have a cgi script that generates a couple of HTML pages from
> templates, and then does a redirect to one of the generated pages.  The
> problem is that the page is only about half there.  The weird part is

You generate a page, then do a Location: redirect? Are you buffering the
output then disposing of it so that the Location: works, or do you not
want the Location: to work if you have generated output? Which page is
half there, the one redirected too?

> that this has been working fine for a couple of months.  I'm wondering
> if somehow the redirect is reaching the browser before the page is
> finished generating, thus killing the CGI before it completes.  The only

That would explain it, but an out of context Location: header is
meaningless... Hmm...

> way that I can think of this happening is if the web server (apache on
> RH Linux) is somehow caching the redirect response.  Any thoughts? 
> Also, it works fine from the command line.  Thanks!

Tell me how this is supposed to work, and if you are using buffering on
the output, and what kind... and I'll take a shot at it..

goodluck!
-scott

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Hmm. Must be my keyboard... maybe I should hold down the Microsoft key and
try it...



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From doug.miles at ns2.phoenix.bowne.com  Tue Dec  7 14:00:40 1999
From: doug.miles at ns2.phoenix.bowne.com (Douglas E. Miles)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:17:42 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: CGI redirect question
References: <384C3730.32F9A82E@bpxinternet.com>
 <14412.15175.777478.727313@ip100.corp.quepasa.com>
 <384C3DD0.BCC73254@bpxinternet.com> <001a01bf403f$16e3ac00$0100a8c0@tran>
Message-ID: <384D6768.4B12C166@bpxinternet.com>

Tran Forsythe wrote:
> 
> > Any other ideas? :)
> 
> Here's a totally random thought... you said it works on the command line,
> but have you tried telnetting to port 80 (or whatever you have it set to)
> and seeing what you get back by doing a GET manually?  Perhaps the Apache
> server is choking somewhere.

Good idea.  I tried it, and it also fails through the telnet
connection.  I'm going to try HUPing httpd later...  Thanks.

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From doug.miles at ns2.phoenix.bowne.com  Tue Dec  7 14:06:23 1999
From: doug.miles at ns2.phoenix.bowne.com (Douglas E. Miles)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:17:42 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: CGI redirect question
References: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9912071054470.13529-100000@the.endless.org>
Message-ID: <384D68BF.1683632@bpxinternet.com>

Phaedrus wrote:
> I'm hoping on this one late in the game... just making sure I understand
> the question right now, then I may or may not have anything useful to
> say..
> 
> >
> > I have something weird going on here...
> >
> > I have a cgi script that generates a couple of HTML pages from
> > templates, and then does a redirect to one of the generated pages.  The
> > problem is that the page is only about half there.  The weird part is
> 
> You generate a page, then do a Location: redirect? Are you buffering the
> output then disposing of it so that the Location: works, or do you not
> want the Location: to work if you have generated output? Which page is
> half there, the one redirected too?

No output is generated to STDOUT, except for the Location header, which
isn't generated until AFTER the page is generated.  The redirect points
to the page that was generated.
 
> > that this has been working fine for a couple of months.  I'm wondering
> > if somehow the redirect is reaching the browser before the page is
> > finished generating, thus killing the CGI before it completes.  The only
> 
> That would explain it, but an out of context Location: header is
> meaningless... Hmm...

I'm not sure what you mean here.  Can you expound?

> > way that I can think of this happening is if the web server (apache on
> > RH Linux) is somehow caching the redirect response.  Any thoughts?
> > Also, it works fine from the command line.  Thanks!
> 
> Tell me how this is supposed to work, and if you are using buffering on
> the output, and what kind... and I'll take a shot at it..

There shouldn't be any buffering going on.  I'm still betting that its
apache that is screwing me up.

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From doug.miles at ns2.phoenix.bowne.com  Tue Dec  7 15:44:01 1999
From: doug.miles at ns2.phoenix.bowne.com (Douglas E. Miles)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:17:42 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: test
Message-ID: <384D7FA1.C71C1D77@bpxinternet.com>

test
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From Beaves at aol.com  Tue Dec  7 22:56:02 1999
From: Beaves at aol.com (Beaves@aol.com)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:17:42 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Downloading and Installing modules
Message-ID: <0.c3d8d8c4.257f3ee2@aol.com>

Hi folks!  It's me again.

I have never had any luck with installing a module from CPAN.  I follow the 
instructions and am unable to get the Makefile.PL to run successfully.  I 
have always done my installing via brute force in the past, but I would 
really like to make my life easier in the future.
Here is what I do.
(The actual directory is messier...)
c:/perl5/download/CGI-modules>perl Makefile.PL
but I get the dreaded bad command or filename, because the Perl .exe is not 
in this directory. (I forget how to get perl to be recognized in any 
directory in DOS)...

So, I try
c:/perl5>perl c:/perl5/download/CGI-modules/Makefile.PL
This runs, but then is unable to find the ExtUtils::MakeMaker module,  I 
assume because of the directory of the Makefile.PL was called in, which 
screws up the @INC.

So, what do y'all do?

By the way, how long has CGI.pm been 'converting' to CGI::Base, CGI::Form etc?
This was the first I have heard of this 'new' (to me at least) organization 
of the CGI module.

Hopes ta see yous guys at da next meetin.   Fagetaboutit.

Tim

From phaedrus at endless.org  Wed Dec  8 11:21:41 1999
From: phaedrus at endless.org (Phaedrus)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:17:42 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: CGI redirect question
In-Reply-To: <384D68BF.1683632@bpxinternet.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9912081217330.22735-100000@the.endless.org>

> No output is generated to STDOUT, except for the Location header, which
> isn't generated until AFTER the page is generated.  The redirect points
> to the page that was generated.

Whoa.. your generating the page to a file! Aha! Duh =) You DID explicitly
turn IO buffering off, and close the file, before issuing the redirect,
right?

>  
> > > RH Linux) is somehow caching the redirect response.  Any thoughts?
> > > Also, it works fine from the command line.  Thanks!
> > 

Pragma: no-cache

Netscape always screws that up, but I would be surprised if Apache screwed
it up also...

Guess I don't have anything useful to say... goodluck...
-scott


From doug.miles at ns2.phoenix.bowne.com  Wed Dec  8 13:49:48 1999
From: doug.miles at ns2.phoenix.bowne.com (Douglas E. Miles)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:17:42 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Downloading and Installing modules
References: <0.c3d8d8c4.257f3ee2@aol.com>
Message-ID: <384EB65C.55326C0C@bpxinternet.com>

Beaves@aol.com wrote:
> 
> Hi folks!  It's me again.
> 
> I have never had any luck with installing a module from CPAN.  I follow the
> instructions and am unable to get the Makefile.PL to run successfully.  I
> have always done my installing via brute force in the past, but I would
> really like to make my life easier in the future.
> Here is what I do.
> (The actual directory is messier...)
> c:/perl5/download/CGI-modules>perl Makefile.PL
> but I get the dreaded bad command or filename, because the Perl .exe is not
> in this directory. (I forget how to get perl to be recognized in any
> directory in DOS)...

Put the c:\perl\bin (example) directory in your PATH environment
variable in your autoexec.bat file and reboot.  Then you can run it from
anywhere.

> So, I try
> c:/perl5>perl c:/perl5/download/CGI-modules/Makefile.PL
> This runs, but then is unable to find the ExtUtils::MakeMaker module,  I
> assume because of the directory of the Makefile.PL was called in, which
> screws up the @INC.

Try the above, and see if you get the same result.  Which module are you
trying to install?  Have you checked for a PPM file?

> So, what do y'all do?

Use Linux. :)  No, seriously, I have never tried to install a non ppm
module on windows before.

> By the way, how long has CGI.pm been 'converting' to CGI::Base, CGI::Form etc?
> This was the first I have heard of this 'new' (to me at least) organization
> of the CGI module.
> 
> Hopes ta see yous guys at da next meetin.   Fagetaboutit.

You're ahead of me here.  I haven't heard anything about this.

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From doug.miles at ns2.phoenix.bowne.com  Wed Dec  8 13:50:40 1999
From: doug.miles at ns2.phoenix.bowne.com (Douglas E. Miles)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:17:42 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: CGI redirect question
References: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9912081217330.22735-100000@the.endless.org>
Message-ID: <384EB690.E32A500F@bpxinternet.com>

Phaedrus wrote:
> 
> > No output is generated to STDOUT, except for the Location header, which
> > isn't generated until AFTER the page is generated.  The redirect points
> > to the page that was generated.
> 
> Whoa.. your generating the page to a file! Aha! Duh =) You DID explicitly
> turn IO buffering off, and close the file, before issuing the redirect,
> right?

Yep, yep and yep.

> >
> > > > RH Linux) is somehow caching the redirect response.  Any thoughts?
> > > > Also, it works fine from the command line.  Thanks!
> > >
> 
> Pragma: no-cache
> 
> Netscape always screws that up, but I would be surprised if Apache screwed
> it up also...
> 
> Guess I don't have anything useful to say... goodluck...
> -scott

Thanks for trying anyway. :)

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From doug.miles at ns2.phoenix.bowne.com  Thu Dec  9 16:03:19 1999
From: doug.miles at ns2.phoenix.bowne.com (Douglas E. Miles)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:17:42 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Meeting 12/14/1999
Message-ID: <38502727.EC307AFF@bpxinternet.com>


We'll be having a Phoenix.pm meeting Tuesday, December 14th at 7:00PM. 
It will be held at Bowne, which is located at 1500 N. Central Avenue,
which is on the Southwest corner of Central and McDowell.  The parking
lot is gated, so just press the button on the intercom, and tell the
receptionist that you are there for the Perl meeting.  Park in the lot
that is straight ahead from the entrance on the South side of McDowell.
Park in any uncovered, non-reserved space.  Proceed to the main lobby,
which is on the Northeast side of the parking lot.

Topic is unknown.  I've been trying to get a hold of Kurt (Hi Kurt!). If
he can't present, I might do a Perl/Tk presentation, or we might go with
open discussion.  Let me know your preferences.

From Beaves at aol.com  Thu Dec  9 18:09:05 1999
From: Beaves at aol.com (Beaves@aol.com)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:17:42 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Meeting 12/14/1999
Message-ID: <0.110e2a63.25819ea1@aol.com>

I should be there.

Topic suggestions.  Module design and implementation; File handles; CGI.pm
 to name a few...

A perl question:  I'd like to build a sub that does some substitutions on the 
content of a filehandle just before it is flushed.  Any ideas?

Tim


From phaedrus at endless.org  Thu Dec  9 18:20:06 1999
From: phaedrus at endless.org (Phaedrus)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:17:42 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Meeting 12/14/1999
In-Reply-To: <0.110e2a63.25819ea1@aol.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9912091916360.31875-100000@the.endless.org>

> 
> I should be there.
> 
> Topic suggestions.  Module design and implementation; File handles; CGI.pm
>  to name a few...
> 
> A perl question:  I'd like to build a sub that does some substitutions on the 
> content of a filehandle just before it is flushed.  Any ideas?
> 
> Tim
> 

Tim,

I'm reasonably certain that once you write, it is no longer accessable,
except by seek'ing backwards and rereading it... Perl is such a
conglomeration, sometimes my thoughts drift while I code... what if Perl's
file access routines were done like Scheme's, where lambda functions
read/write data, returning a lambda function to read the next bit? Has
anyone read up on Perl's lambda stuff? It's nuts... hmm. Theres a topic.
Lambdas in Perl. Ok. Back to work.

-scott


From mekla at geocities.com  Fri Dec 10 01:47:21 1999
From: mekla at geocities.com (Shay Harding)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:17:42 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Meeting 12/14/1999
In-Reply-To: <0.110e2a63.25819ea1@aol.com>
References: <0.110e2a63.25819ea1@aol.com>
Message-ID: <99121000480900.02711@cx949622-b.poria1.az.home.com>

> I should be there.
> 
> Topic suggestions.  Module design and implementation; File handles; CGI.pm
>  to name a few...
> 
> A perl question:  I'd like to build a sub that does some substitutions on the 
> content of a filehandle just before it is flushed.  Any ideas?
> 
> Tim

Why not just make the substitutions before you send to the filehandle? Seems
simpler.


Shay


From Beaves at aol.com  Fri Dec 10 09:50:22 1999
From: Beaves at aol.com (Beaves@aol.com)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:17:42 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: more specific question
Message-ID: <0.b25bcda3.25827b3e@aol.com>

When you print to STDOUT, is it a pipe?  or does STDOUT wait until some sort 
of a flush command at the 'death' of the program, and then spill its 
contents...

If it flushes rather than pipes, is there a way to modify the flush routine 
upon its call?

I remember  reading some stuff about this behavior, but I can't seem to find 
it now.

Not  a big deal, but maybe some discussion material.

Tim

From Beaves at aol.com  Fri Dec 10 09:56:55 1999
From: Beaves at aol.com (Beaves@aol.com)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:17:42 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Yahoo club suggestion
Message-ID: <0.efce9aa5.25827cc7@aol.com>

I have a suggestion for PHX.pm

I don't know if any of you have perused yahoo lately, but their 'clubs' 
feature is pretty good.  Each club has a message board and a list of email 
addresses of all the members, and photos of the members (if provided).  It's 
free and already in place just dying for good use.  Of course, you need to be 
a Yahoo member, but its no big deal really.  You have several Yahoo 
membership names, and you can assign clubs to each name.  The club can also 
be 'private', but I need to research more about what that actually means in 
real life.

Does this sound interesting to anyone?

Tim

From sinck at ip100.corp.quepasa.com  Fri Dec 10 10:07:32 1999
From: sinck at ip100.corp.quepasa.com (David Sinck)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:17:42 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: more specific question
References: <0.b25bcda3.25827b3e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <14417.9540.88804.292514@ip100.corp.quepasa.com>



\_ When you print to STDOUT, is it a pipe?  

Only if the program is invoked via

shell% perl foo.pl | less

then it's a pipe, but for the most part, don't worry about it.  It's a
file handle, and that can be nearly anything...file, pipe, socket,
fifo, ....

\_ or does STDOUT wait until
\_ some sort of a flush command at the 'death' of the program, and
\_ then spill its contents...
Well, there's a flush when the program exits, or when the output
library decides it's time...usually X kb and/or a newline.  YMMV.  

\_ If it flushes rather than pipes, is there a way to modify the flush routine 
\_ upon its call?
Check the filehandle module, and $|, I think.  

David

From Ron.Giffin at motorola.com  Fri Dec 10 10:13:34 1999
From: Ron.Giffin at motorola.com (Giffin Ron-P08295)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:17:42 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: more specific question
Message-ID: <01CA656A687ED211926B00805F779140A7B86C@az25exm02.geg.mot.com>

Tim,

STDOUT is actually a filehandle which points to an I/O channel.
In most cases flushing is instantaneous.  That having been said,
I have seen cases where flushing appeared to be buffered, and
output only occurred upon completion of a subroutine. Good Luck.

  -- Ron





-----Original Message-----
From: Beaves@aol.com [mailto:Beaves@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, December 10, 1999 8:50 AM
To: phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org
Subject: Phoenix.pm: more specific question


When you print to STDOUT, is it a pipe?  or does STDOUT wait until some sort

of a flush command at the 'death' of the program, and then spill its 
contents...

If it flushes rather than pipes, is there a way to modify the flush routine 
upon its call?

I remember  reading some stuff about this behavior, but I can't seem to find

it now.

Not  a big deal, but maybe some discussion material.

Tim

From edelsys at edelsys.com  Fri Dec 10 10:32:16 1999
From: edelsys at edelsys.com (EdelSys Consulting)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:17:42 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Yahoo club suggestion
In-Reply-To: <0.efce9aa5.25827cc7@aol.com>
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19991210093216.008f0df0@swlink.net>

At 10:56 AM 12/10/1999 EST, you wrote:
>I have a suggestion for PHX.pm
>
>I don't know if any of you have perused yahoo lately, but their 'clubs' 
>feature is pretty good.  Each club has a message board and a list of email 
>addresses of all the members, and photos of the members (if provided).  It's 
>free and already in place just dying for good use.  Of course, you need to
be 
>a Yahoo member, but its no big deal really.  You have several Yahoo 
>membership names, and you can assign clubs to each name.  The club can also 
>be 'private', but I need to research more about what that actually means in 
>real life.
>
>Does this sound interesting to anyone?
>
>Tim
>

No thanks.  I'll stick with EFNet IRC.  =)

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From Bryan.Lane at VITALPS.COM  Fri Dec 10 11:01:53 1999
From: Bryan.Lane at VITALPS.COM (Bryan Lane)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:17:42 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Meeting 12/14/1999
Message-ID: <B07FA0A1A91FD211985800805FA76EC602DC1FF2@TEF00001.vitalps.com>

I will be there.

-----Original Message-----
From: Douglas E. Miles [mailto:doug.miles@ns2.phoenix.bowne.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 09, 1999 3:03 PM
To: Phoenix.pm
Cc: Rose Keys
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Meeting 12/14/1999



We'll be having a Phoenix.pm meeting Tuesday, December 14th at 7:00PM. 
It will be held at Bowne, which is located at 1500 N. Central Avenue,
which is on the Southwest corner of Central and McDowell.  The parking
lot is gated, so just press the button on the intercom, and tell the
receptionist that you are there for the Perl meeting.  Park in the lot
that is straight ahead from the entrance on the South side of McDowell.
Park in any uncovered, non-reserved space.  Proceed to the main lobby,
which is on the Northeast side of the parking lot.

Topic is unknown.  I've been trying to get a hold of Kurt (Hi Kurt!). If
he can't present, I might do a Perl/Tk presentation, or we might go with
open discussion.  Let me know your preferences.

From phaedrus at endless.org  Fri Dec 10 11:55:14 1999
From: phaedrus at endless.org (Phaedrus)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:17:42 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: more specific question
In-Reply-To: <0.b25bcda3.25827b3e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9912101247080.31875-100000@the.endless.org>

> From: Beaves@aol.com
> 
> When you print to STDOUT, is it a pipe?  or does STDOUT wait until some sort 
> of a flush command at the 'death' of the program, and then spill its 
> contents...
> 
> If it flushes rather than pipes, is there a way to modify the flush routine 
> upon its call?

Pipes can be flushed too...
Most of the functions in Perl are just wrappers for kernel or C library
calls. Perls handling of IO is usualy POSIX - if your system is POSIX.
POSIX established rules that were a comprimise between good performance,
and reliability. For example, it is gaurenteed that if you write
something, seek backwards, and re-read it, it will be the data you wrote.
However, if another process reads your file, and you havn't either closed
the filehandle or flushed it, it is not gaurenteed to be up to date. POSIX
specs allow the OS to buffer and cache and delay writes and other
performance optimizing things like that.. some OSs may bring the files up
to date automaticly within seconds, other may wait minutes, and on most it
depends on the load. This is really way beyond the scope of Perl, but
suffice to say, for details on alot of the Perl functions, read the C man
pages, and remember they are just "wrappers" for the OS implementation of
functions of the same name, and therefore slightly platform dependent (if
the OS varied from the POSIX specs). If you install Perl yourself, you
will get interesting statistics on how compatable your Perl build is...
after it does regression testing. Cool =)

> 
> I remember  reading some stuff about this behavior, but I can't seem to find 
> it now.
> 
> Not  a big deal, but maybe some discussion material.
> 
> Tim
> 

Oh yeah, a great place to get Unix man pages on the web (IE, you dont have
Unix installed) ;) is www.freebsd.org, in the documentation section. Pick
search documentation. You can search Linux, 4.4 BSD, FreeBSD, and Solaris
man pages for more details on things like flush/fflush =)
On the same note, as soon as I knock down about 30 other projects, I wanna
make this discussion searchable/indexed...

-scott


From phaedrus at endless.org  Fri Dec 10 11:56:02 1999
From: phaedrus at endless.org (Phaedrus)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:17:42 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Meeting 12/14/1999
In-Reply-To: <B07FA0A1A91FD211985800805FA76EC602DC1FF2@TEF00001.vitalps.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9912101255320.31875-100000@the.endless.org>


Doug -

I expect to make the meeting. 

cheers!
-scott


From forsythe at primenet.com  Fri Dec 10 19:01:19 1999
From: forsythe at primenet.com (Tran Forsythe)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:17:42 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Downloading and Installing modules
References: <0.c3d8d8c4.257f3ee2@aol.com>
Message-ID: <004201bf4373$43ad63c0$0100a8c0@tran>

Hmm.. regarding using perl and installing perl packages on a Win32 machine,
I'd really reccomend you use the ActiveState 'port.  (www.activestate.com)
and their packages (www.activestate.com/packages/zips)

To install a downloaded ActiveState .ppd, you'll need to unzip it somewhere
and then type this:
ppm install <ppd filename>

There's also a gui-oriented version of ppm (vpm, I think, or something akin
to that) but it doesn't play nice with corporate firewalls so I've never
been able to use it.

Hope this helps,
-Kurt

------

"Push to test."
<click>
"Release to detonate."
-Brad Morrison




From forsythe at primenet.com  Fri Dec 10 19:06:49 1999
From: forsythe at primenet.com (Tran Forsythe)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:17:42 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Meeting 12/14/1999
References: <38502727.EC307AFF@bpxinternet.com>
Message-ID: <005f01bf4374$0bb5e2c0$0100a8c0@tran>


Yeap, I'll be there... sorry for flaking on checking email, Doug ;)  It's
been a hairy week ;)

I've got two toys in mind... one, that hybrid of Unix's du & Win32's tree,
and two, a two-part util to check whether your TCP & UDP traffic can get
from point A to point B (on port C).  Either tickle anyones' fancy?

-Kurt

------

"Push to test."
<click>
"Release to detonate."
-Brad Morrison



From dmiles at primenet.com  Fri Dec 10 19:50:23 1999
From: dmiles at primenet.com (Doug and Julie Miles)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:17:42 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Meeting 12/14/1999
In-Reply-To: <005f01bf4374$0bb5e2c0$0100a8c0@tran>
References: <38502727.EC307AFF@bpxinternet.com>
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19991210185023.00a44100@pop.primenet.com>

At 06:06 PM 12/10/99 -0700, you wrote:
>
>Yeap, I'll be there... sorry for flaking on checking email, Doug ;)  It's
>been a hairy week ;)

No problem.  It's been a hairy month for me, so I can relate. :)

>I've got two toys in mind... one, that hybrid of Unix's du & Win32's tree,
>and two, a two-part util to check whether your TCP & UDP traffic can get
>from point A to point B (on port C).  Either tickle anyones' fancy?
>
>-Kurt

Sounds great to me!


From davewarner98 at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 11 10:08:28 1999
From: davewarner98 at yahoo.com (Dave Warner)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:17:42 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Meeting 12/14/1999
Message-ID: <19991211160828.16318.qmail@web213.mail.yahoo.com>

Doug,
      I'll be there.  I'd love to learn about Perl/Tk.
 


                    Dave Warner

--- "Douglas E. Miles"
<doug.miles@ns2.phoenix.bowne.com> wrote:
> 
> We'll be having a Phoenix.pm meeting Tuesday,
> December 14th at 7:00PM. 
> It will be held at Bowne, which is located at 1500
> N. Central Avenue,
> which is on the Southwest corner of Central and
> McDowell.  The parking
> lot is gated, so just press the button on the
> intercom, and tell the
> receptionist that you are there for the Perl
> meeting.  Park in the lot
> that is straight ahead from the entrance on the
> South side of McDowell.
> Park in any uncovered, non-reserved space.  Proceed
> to the main lobby,
> which is on the Northeast side of the parking lot.
> 
> Topic is unknown.  I've been trying to get a hold of
> Kurt (Hi Kurt!). If
> he can't present, I might do a Perl/Tk presentation,
> or we might go with
> open discussion.  Let me know your preferences.
> 


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From janis at primenet.com  Sat Dec 11 23:21:55 1999
From: janis at primenet.com (Janis)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:17:42 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Meeting 12/14/1999
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9912101255320.31875-100000@the.endless.org> from "Phaedrus" at Dec 10, 99 12:56:02 pm
Message-ID: <199912120521.WAA26061@usr09.primenet.com>

me too!

-Heather

> 
> 
> Doug -
> 
> I expect to make the meeting. 
> 
> cheers!
> -scott
> 
> 


From edelsys at edelsys.com  Sat Dec 11 23:58:22 1999
From: edelsys at edelsys.com (EdelSys Consulting)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:17:42 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Meeting 12/14/1999
In-Reply-To: <199912120521.WAA26061@usr09.primenet.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9912101255320.31875-100000@the.endless.org>
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19991211225822.00806100@swlink.net>

At 10:21 PM 12/11/1999 -0700, you wrote:
>me too!
>
>-Heather
>
>> 
>> 
>> Doug -
>> 
>> I expect to make the meeting. 
>> 
>> cheers!
>> -scott
>> 
>> 
>

Me three!!  =)

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From doug.miles at bpxinternet.com  Tue Dec 14 13:40:15 1999
From: doug.miles at bpxinternet.com (Douglas E. Miles)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:17:42 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Meeting 12/14/1999 Reminder
Message-ID: <38569D1F.D4B501D7@bpxinternet.com>

We're having a meeting tonight.  See you there!

We'll be having a Phoenix.pm meeting Tuesday, December 14th at 7:00PM. 
It will be held at Bowne, which is located at 1500 N. Central Avenue,
which is on the Southwest corner of Central and McDowell.  The parking
lot is gated, so just press the button on the intercom, and tell the
receptionist that you are there for the Perl meeting.  Park in the lot
that is straight ahead from the entrance on the South side of McDowell.
Park in any uncovered, non-reserved space.  Proceed to the main lobby,
which is on the Northeast side of the parking lot.

Topic is unknown.  I've been trying to get a hold of Kurt (Hi Kurt!). If
he can't present, I might do a Perl/Tk presentation, or we might go with
open discussion.  Let me know your preferences.

From pablo at dosomething.org  Tue Dec 14 22:22:17 1999
From: pablo at dosomething.org (Pablo Velasquez)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:17:42 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Meeting 12/14/1999 Reminder
In-Reply-To: <38569D1F.D4B501D7@bpxinternet.com>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19991214202142.00b03ba0@mail.dosomething.org>

Doug,
Sorry I couldn't make it to the meeting. I'm still in a meeting right now :(

-Pablo

At 12:40 PM 12/14/99 -0700, you wrote:
>We're having a meeting tonight.  See you there!
>
>We'll be having a Phoenix.pm meeting Tuesday, December 14th at 7:00PM.
>It will be held at Bowne, which is located at 1500 N. Central Avenue,
>which is on the Southwest corner of Central and McDowell.  The parking
>lot is gated, so just press the button on the intercom, and tell the
>receptionist that you are there for the Perl meeting.  Park in the lot
>that is straight ahead from the entrance on the South side of McDowell.
>Park in any uncovered, non-reserved space.  Proceed to the main lobby,
>which is on the Northeast side of the parking lot.
>
>Topic is unknown.  I've been trying to get a hold of Kurt (Hi Kurt!). If
>he can't present, I might do a Perl/Tk presentation, or we might go with
>open discussion.  Let me know your preferences.


From doug.miles at bpxinternet.com  Wed Dec 15 13:43:55 1999
From: doug.miles at bpxinternet.com (Douglas E. Miles)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:17:42 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Meeting, Cookbook, etc.
Message-ID: <3857EF7B.82EE587D@bpxinternet.com>

Great meeting last night!  This was the last meeting of the year.  We'll
return to our regularly scheduled programming in January.

I didn't do a great job explaining the code I lifted from the Cookbook
(Those of you who weren't there can ignore this message).  
Here's the explanation from the O' Reilly Perl Cookbook (if you don't
have it, get it :) ) by Christiansen and Torkington for picking a random
line from a file:

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

8.6. Picking a Random Line from a File

Problem

You want to return a random line from a file.

Solution

Use rand and $. (the current line number) to decide which line to print:

srand;
rand($.) < 1 && ($line = $_) while <>;
# $line is the random line

Discussion

This is a beautiful example of a solution that may not be obvious. We
read every line in the file but don't have to store them all in
memory. This is great for large files. Each line has a 1 in N (where N
is the number of lines read so far) chance of being selected.

Here's a replacement for fortune using this algorithm:

$/ = "%%\n";
$data = '/usr/share/games/fortunes';
srand;
rand($.) < 1 && ($adage = $_) while <>;
print $adage;

If you know line offsets (for instance, you've created an index) and the
number of lines, you can randomly select a line and jump to
its offset in the file, but you usually don't have such an index.

Here's a more rigorous explanation of how the algorithm works. The
function call rand ($.) picks a random number between 0 and
the current line number. Therefore, you have a one in N chance, that is,
1/N, of keeping the Nth line. Therefore you've a 100%
chance of keeping the first line, a 50% chance of keeping the second, a
33% chance of keeping the third, and so on. The question is
whether this is fair for all N, where N is any positive integer.

First, some concrete examples, then abstract ones.

Obviously, a file with one line (N=1) is fair: you always keep the first
line because 1/1 = 100%, making it fair for files of 1 line. For a
file with two lines, N=2. You always keep the first line; then when
reaching the second line, you have a 50% chance of keeping it.
Thus, both lines have an equal chance of being selected, which shows
that N=2 is fair. For a file with three lines, N=3. You have a
one-third chance, 33%, of keeping that third line. That leaves a
two-thirds chance of retaining one of the first two out of the three
lines. But we've already shown that for those first two lines there's a
50-50 chance of selecting either one. 50 percent of two-thirds
is one-third. Thus, you have a one-third chance of selecting each of the
three lines of the file.

In the general case, a file of N+1 lines will choose the last line
1/(N+1) times and one of the previous N lines N/(N+1) times. Dividing
N/(N+1) by N leaves us with 1/(N+1) for each the first N lines in our
N+1 line file, and also 1/(N+1) for line number N+1. The
algorithm is therefore fair for all N, where N is a positive integer.

We've managed to choose fairly a random line from a file with speed
directly proportional to the size of the file, but using no more
memory than it takes to hold the longest line, even in the worst case.

-- 
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From jforsmo at primenet.com  Wed Dec 15 14:52:18 1999
From: jforsmo at primenet.com (James Forsmo)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:17:42 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Hello...
Message-ID: <199912152044.NAA02868@smtp02.primenet.com>

Hello All,

I just recently joined the email list. I'm a Perl novice working my way
through SAM Teach Yourself Perl in 21 Days (I read Perl 5 for dummies, but I
guess I'm too stupid for that book). I wasn't able to attend last night's
meeting.

I'm developing a new web site for a long-time client and I'd like to
implement some Perl scripts to create a "Job Opportunites" page that can be
updated by my client's HR department through their web browser.

Easy enough, right? Well, I'm just not there yet.

Since this is a paying client, I'd be willing to pay someone to help me with
this project. I don't have any Perl programmer friends, and I would love to
meet someone who would help me to understand the ways this job can be done.
Then, hopefully, I can do a few things on my own next time.

I would appreciate any help or advice.

Thank You :)

James Forsmo
Carlton Design Group
602-252-3813
602-625-3541

From phaedrus at endless.org  Wed Dec 15 15:01:54 1999
From: phaedrus at endless.org (Phaedrus)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:17:42 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Hello...
In-Reply-To: <199912152044.NAA02868@smtp02.primenet.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9912151558270.6727-100000@the.endless.org>

> From: James Forsmo <jforsmo@primenet.com>
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> I just recently joined the email list. I'm a Perl novice working my way
> through SAM Teach Yourself Perl in 21 Days (I read Perl 5 for dummies, but I
> guess I'm too stupid for that book). I wasn't able to attend last night's
> meeting.

re: Perl 5 for Dummies: http://24.1.205.71/images/biggestfear.jpg
Welcome to the list! We're an easy going bunch, and quite helpful =)

> 
> I'm developing a new web site for a long-time client and I'd like to
> implement some Perl scripts to create a "Job Opportunites" page that can be
> updated by my client's HR department through their web browser.
> 

What's your background? Have you programmed in any computer language
before? How much? Any web scripting?

> Easy enough, right? Well, I'm just not there yet.
> 
> Since this is a paying client, I'd be willing to pay someone to help me with
> this project. I don't have any Perl programmer friends, and I would love to
> meet someone who would help me to understand the ways this job can be done.
> Then, hopefully, I can do a few things on my own next time.

Hmm. I understand there are one or two people in this business lurking on
this list *lurk* *lurk*

> 
> I would appreciate any help or advice.
> 
> Thank You :)
> 

Good to meet ya! Keep us posted on your success.
-scott

> James Forsmo
> Carlton Design Group
> 602-252-3813
> 602-625-3541
> 


From Beaves at aol.com  Wed Dec 15 15:54:11 1999
From: Beaves at aol.com (Beaves@aol.com)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:17:42 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: good meeting Doug
Message-ID: <0.8499fa06.25896803@aol.com>

Thanks Doug for another good meeting.  I learned a lot.

Sorry to everyone else who had to sit through my "Wait-a-minute"s, 
"hold-on"s, "whats-this-doing"s, and the "could-you-explain-that-again"s.

Kirt could you send me those files?  beaves@aol.com
(Kirt does a mean Manhatten accent by the way,   Manhatten, Kansas, that 
is...)

Tim

From jforsmo at primenet.com  Wed Dec 15 16:05:56 1999
From: jforsmo at primenet.com (James Forsmo)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:17:42 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Hello...
Message-ID: <199912152158.OAA07084@smtp01.primenet.com>

Hey Scott,

Good to meet you as well and thanks for the funny URL (maybe scary is more
accurate).

Perl is my first "Real" programming lanuage. I'm a former magazine art
director who likes technical things. Being a Mac user, I've created some
things in HyperCard, made some automated scripts in QuickKeys, learned to
write a little PostScript way back before Adobe Illustrator existed.
I have my own design business doing mostly advertising and marketing
materials, and illustration. I've created web sites for some of my clients
over the last couple of years. I've been using Cyberstudio (now Adobe
GoLive) and I think it's a great program. I wanted to learn Perl so I could
add some more functionality to my sites. I really like Perl a lot so far and
I'm glad I found this email list!

Thanks for your reply to my message.

James Forsmo
Carlton Design Group
602-252-3813
602-625-3541
www.carltonadv.com

----------
>From: Phaedrus <phaedrus@endless.org>
>To: phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org
>Subject: Re: Phoenix.pm: Hello...
>Date: Wed, Dec 15, 1999, 2:01 PM
>

>> From: James Forsmo <jforsmo@primenet.com>
>> 
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> I just recently joined the email list. I'm a Perl novice working my way
>> through SAM Teach Yourself Perl in 21 Days (I read Perl 5 for dummies, but I
>> guess I'm too stupid for that book). I wasn't able to attend last night's
>> meeting.
>
>re: Perl 5 for Dummies: http://24.1.205.71/images/biggestfear.jpg
>Welcome to the list! We're an easy going bunch, and quite helpful =)
>
>> 
>> I'm developing a new web site for a long-time client and I'd like to
>> implement some Perl scripts to create a "Job Opportunites" page that can be
>> updated by my client's HR department through their web browser.
>> 
>
>What's your background? Have you programmed in any computer language
>before? How much? Any web scripting?
>
>> Easy enough, right? Well, I'm just not there yet.
>> 
>> Since this is a paying client, I'd be willing to pay someone to help me with
>> this project. I don't have any Perl programmer friends, and I would love to
>> meet someone who would help me to understand the ways this job can be done.
>> Then, hopefully, I can do a few things on my own next time.
>
>Hmm. I understand there are one or two people in this business lurking on
>this list *lurk* *lurk*
>
>> 
>> I would appreciate any help or advice.
>> 
>> Thank You :)
>> 
>
>Good to meet ya! Keep us posted on your success.
>-scott
>
>> James Forsmo
>> Carlton Design Group
>> 602-252-3813
>> 602-625-3541
>> 
>
>

From janis at primenet.com  Wed Dec 15 16:02:30 1999
From: janis at primenet.com (Janis)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:17:42 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Meeting, Cookbook, etc.
In-Reply-To: <3857EF7B.82EE587D@bpxinternet.com> from "Douglas E. Miles" at Dec 15, 99 12:43:55 pm
Message-ID: <199912152202.PAA13849@usr07.primenet.com>

Thanks for the update of the meeting Doug; Scott told me I missed an
interesting one... sorry!  (I was mortally exhausted from a day of
strenuous typing.  You know how it is.)

See y'all next year & have a great holiday.

-Heather (dreaming of a bright Christmas)

From phaedrus at endless.org  Wed Dec 15 16:07:54 1999
From: phaedrus at endless.org (Phaedrus)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:17:42 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: good meeting Doug
In-Reply-To: <0.8499fa06.25896803@aol.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9912151705510.6727-100000@the.endless.org>


Speaking of wanting files, can I get a copy of that Celtic knot maker
program? That could be handy...
Yes, the meeting was good. 

thanks!
-scott


From dmiles at primenet.com  Wed Dec 15 17:51:55 1999
From: dmiles at primenet.com (Doug and Julie Miles)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:17:42 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: C/Perl Programmer
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19991215165155.009d4100@pop.primenet.com>

>X-Lotus-FromDomain: ABLEST
>From: "Teresa_Malone"@Ablest.com
>To: dmiles@primenet.com
>Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 13:55:26 -0700
>Subject: C/Perl Programmer
>
>I was given your email address by a friend who suggested I contact you for
>help locating an Perl/C programmer.  Our company is looking for a Perl, C,
>CGI guru for one of our clients.  The position is at one of our clients
>located in downtown Phoenix near Central.  The person must know the 'C'
>language and be proficient in PERL.  This is a small e-commerce company
>doing cutting edge work.  They have a 5 developers working for them, and
>because of their fast growth need another person to join the team.  The
>company is ready for someone to start within a week, and the pay rate is
>between $40-50 an hour.  If you know of anyone who may be interested please
>let me know.   Feel free to give me a call at 480-894-5110.  Thanks for
>your help.
>
>Warmest Regards,
>
>Teresa Malone
>Recruiting Manager
>Milestone Technologies, Inc.
>
>
>
>


From dmiles at primenet.com  Wed Dec 15 18:19:18 1999
From: dmiles at primenet.com (Doug and Julie Miles)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:17:42 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Perl Opportunity
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19991215171918.00935d40@pop.primenet.com>

>Reply-To: "Conrad Guevara" <conradg@gsrglobal.com>
>From: "Conrad Guevara" <gsr3@mindspring.com>
>To: <dmiles@primenet.com>
>Subject: Perl Opportunity
>Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 16:00:36 -0800
>X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
>X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200
>X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200
>
>     Hello I am a recruiter in the Dallas Metroplex. Currently I have a
>client who  is looking for a Perl/cold fusion developer for their Dallas
>office. If you or  someone you know is open to looking at new
>opportunities, please get in contact  with me at the following information.
>Thank you. Regards, Conrad Guevara Corporate Staffing GSR GLOBAL
>conradg@gsrglobal.com 972-719-9174 

For anyone wanting to relocate...


From Beaves at aol.com  Wed Dec 15 23:47:19 1999
From: Beaves at aol.com (Beaves@aol.com)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:17:42 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: quiz
Message-ID: <0.4cbe4f48.2589d6e7@aol.com>

This little bit of code gave me the RCA dog look for a while.  After thinking 
it through, it made sense.

If references are not your strong suit, then read on.
What will the final print statement say for each of these snippets?

$hash = {1=>one, 2=>two, 3=>three};
$list = [fred, barney, $hash, wilma];
$hash = {1=>ONESIE,2=>TWOSIE,3=>THREESIE};
print STDOUT "value is:'$$list[2]{2}' "   # is it 'two' or 'TWOSIE'

$hash = {1=>one, 2=>two, 3=>three};
$list = [fred, barney, $hash, wilma];
$$hash{2} = TWOSIE;
print STDOUT "value is:'$$list[2]{2}' "   # is it 'two' or 'TWOSIE'

__END__

So what is it?

Just another of my little Perl pseudo-gotchas...

Tim


From forsythe at primenet.com  Thu Dec 16 00:54:49 1999
From: forsythe at primenet.com (Tran Forsythe)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:17:42 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: good meeting Doug
References: <0.8499fa06.25896803@aol.com>
Message-ID: <004101bf4792$8230d960$0100a8c0@tran>

Beaves@aol.com wrote:
>Kirt could you send me those files?  beaves@aol.com
>(Kirt does a mean Manhatten accent by the way,   Manhatten, Kansas, that 
>is...)

*laugh* Yeah, yeah, shove off..;)  And sure, I'll send those right along ;)

-Kurt


From forsythe at primenet.com  Thu Dec 16 01:06:08 1999
From: forsythe at primenet.com (Tran Forsythe)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:17:42 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: quiz
References: <0.4cbe4f48.2589d6e7@aol.com>
Message-ID: <005901bf4794$085540c0$0100a8c0@tran>

>This little bit of code gave me the RCA dog look for a while.  After
thinking
>it through, it made sense.
>
>If references are not your strong suit, then read on.
>What will the final print statement say for each of these snippets?
>
>$hash = {1=>one, 2=>two, 3=>three};
>$list = [fred, barney, $hash, wilma];
>$hash = {1=>ONESIE,2=>TWOSIE,3=>THREESIE};
>print STDOUT "value is:'$$list[2]{2}' "   # is it 'two' or 'TWOSIE'
>
>$hash = {1=>one, 2=>two, 3=>three};
>$list = [fred, barney, $hash, wilma];
>$$hash{2} = TWOSIE;
>print STDOUT "value is:'$$list[2]{2}' "   # is it 'two' or 'TWOSIE'
>
>__END__
>
>So what is it?
>
>Just another of my little Perl pseudo-gotchas...
>
>Tim

Hmm.. or will it error out as it's missing two ;'s? ;)  A good puzzle
though, took me a few ;)


From doug.miles at ns2.phoenix.bowne.com  Thu Dec 16 12:43:49 1999
From: doug.miles at ns2.phoenix.bowne.com (Douglas E. Miles)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:17:42 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Hello...
References: <199912152044.NAA02868@smtp02.primenet.com>
Message-ID: <385932E5.7DAE00E1@bpxinternet.com>

James Forsmo wrote:
> 
> Hello All,

Welcome!

> I just recently joined the email list. I'm a Perl novice working my way
> through SAM Teach Yourself Perl in 21 Days (I read Perl 5 for dummies, but I
> guess I'm too stupid for that book). I wasn't able to attend last night's
> meeting.

Or maybe the book is stupid... :)

> I'm developing a new web site for a long-time client and I'd like to
> implement some Perl scripts to create a "Job Opportunites" page that can be
> updated by my client's HR department through their web browser.
> 
> Easy enough, right? Well, I'm just not there yet.
> 
> Since this is a paying client, I'd be willing to pay someone to help me with
> this project. I don't have any Perl programmer friends, and I would love to
> meet someone who would help me to understand the ways this job can be done.
> Then, hopefully, I can do a few things on my own next time.
> 
> I would appreciate any help or advice.
> 
> Thank You :)
> 
> James Forsmo
> Carlton Design Group
> 602-252-3813
> 602-625-3541

-- 
For a list of the ways which technology has failed
to improve our quality of life, press 3.

From doug.miles at ns2.phoenix.bowne.com  Thu Dec 16 13:00:51 1999
From: doug.miles at ns2.phoenix.bowne.com (Douglas E. Miles)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:17:42 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Hello...
References: <199912152044.NAA02868@smtp02.primenet.com>
 <385932E5.7DAE00E1@bpxinternet.com>
Message-ID: <385936E3.68984169@bpxinternet.com>

"Douglas E. Miles" wrote:
> 
> Welcome!
> 
> > I just recently joined the email list. I'm a Perl novice working my way
> > through SAM Teach Yourself Perl in 21 Days (I read Perl 5 for dummies, but I
> > guess I'm too stupid for that book). I wasn't able to attend last night's
> > meeting.
> 
> Or maybe the book is stupid... :)

I meant to say maybe you could try O'Reilly's "Learning Perl" by Randal
Schwartz.

> > I'm developing a new web site for a long-time client and I'd like to
> > implement some Perl scripts to create a "Job Opportunites" page that can be
> > updated by my client's HR department through their web browser.
> >
> > Easy enough, right? Well, I'm just not there yet.
> >
> > Since this is a paying client, I'd be willing to pay someone to help me with
> > this project. I don't have any Perl programmer friends, and I would love to
> > meet someone who would help me to understand the ways this job can be done.
> > Then, hopefully, I can do a few things on my own next time.
> >
> > I would appreciate any help or advice.
> >
> > Thank You :)
> >
> > James Forsmo
> > Carlton Design Group
> > 602-252-3813
> > 602-625-3541
> 
> --
> For a list of the ways which technology has failed
> to improve our quality of life, press 3.

-- 
For a list of the ways which technology has failed
to improve our quality of life, press 3.

From jforsmo at primenet.com  Thu Dec 16 13:49:09 1999
From: jforsmo at primenet.com (James Forsmo)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:17:42 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Hello...
Message-ID: <199912161941.MAA14023@smtp02.primenet.com>

Thanks to all for the nice welcome!!

I feel right at home already!

James Forsmo :)
Carlton Design Group
602-252-3813
602-625-3541

----------
>From: "Douglas E. Miles" <doug.miles@ns2.phoenix.bowne.com>
>To: phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org
>Subject: Re: Phoenix.pm: Hello...
>Date: Thu, Dec 16, 1999, 11:43 AM
>

>James Forsmo wrote:
>> 
>> Hello All,
>
>Welcome!
>
>> I just recently joined the email list. I'm a Perl novice working my way
>> through SAM Teach Yourself Perl in 21 Days (I read Perl 5 for dummies, but I
>> guess I'm too stupid for that book). I wasn't able to attend last night's
>> meeting.
>
>Or maybe the book is stupid... :)
>
>> I'm developing a new web site for a long-time client and I'd like to
>> implement some Perl scripts to create a "Job Opportunites" page that can be
>> updated by my client's HR department through their web browser.
>> 
>> Easy enough, right? Well, I'm just not there yet.
>> 
>> Since this is a paying client, I'd be willing to pay someone to help me with
>> this project. I don't have any Perl programmer friends, and I would love to
>> meet someone who would help me to understand the ways this job can be done.
>> Then, hopefully, I can do a few things on my own next time.
>> 
>> I would appreciate any help or advice.
>> 
>> Thank You :)
>> 
>> James Forsmo
>> Carlton Design Group
>> 602-252-3813
>> 602-625-3541
>
>-- 
>For a list of the ways which technology has failed
>to improve our quality of life, press 3.
>

From pablo at dosomething.org  Thu Dec 16 15:31:22 1999
From: pablo at dosomething.org (Pablo Velasquez)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:17:42 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Hello...
In-Reply-To: <385936E3.68984169@bpxinternet.com>
References: <199912152044.NAA02868@smtp02.primenet.com>
 <385932E5.7DAE00E1@bpxinternet.com>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19991216132521.00b02700@mail.dosomething.org>

Just to add on here, when I began reading up on Perl I tried a couple of 
books, all good, such as Programming Perl (which was a bit too much for me 
as a "beginner"). Then I went down a notch to "Learning Perl on Win32", 
which was also a great book. Then I bought another book called "Perl by 
Example", here's an amazon link:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0136556892/o/qid=945376061/sr=8-1/002 
-2473373-5686605

Of the 3 books I read as I began the Perl voyage, the "by example" seemed 
to make more sense to me. It could be for 2 reasons:
1. I had already read the first 2 books
2. I learn easiest when I see examples

There's more than one way to learn. :)

My 2 cents.

-Pablo


At 12:00 PM 12/16/99 -0700, you wrote:
>"Douglas E. Miles" wrote:
> >
> > Welcome!
> >
> > > I just recently joined the email list. I'm a Perl novice working my way
> > > through SAM Teach Yourself Perl in 21 Days (I read Perl 5 for 
> dummies, but I
> > > guess I'm too stupid for that book). I wasn't able to attend last night's
> > > meeting.
> >
> > Or maybe the book is stupid... :)
>
>I meant to say maybe you could try O'Reilly's "Learning Perl" by Randal
>Schwartz.
>
> > > I'm developing a new web site for a long-time client and I'd like to
> > > implement some Perl scripts to create a "Job Opportunites" page that 
> can be
> > > updated by my client's HR department through their web browser.
> > >
> > > Easy enough, right? Well, I'm just not there yet.
> > >
> > > Since this is a paying client, I'd be willing to pay someone to help 
> me with
> > > this project. I don't have any Perl programmer friends, and I would 
> love to
> > > meet someone who would help me to understand the ways this job can be 
> done.
> > > Then, hopefully, I can do a few things on my own next time.
> > >
> > > I would appreciate any help or advice.
> > >
> > > Thank You :)
> > >
> > > James Forsmo
> > > Carlton Design Group
> > > 602-252-3813
> > > 602-625-3541
> >
> > --
> > For a list of the ways which technology has failed
> > to improve our quality of life, press 3.
>
>--
>For a list of the ways which technology has failed
>to improve our quality of life, press 3.


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From: e.g.kyto at unitel.co.kr (e.g.kyto@unitel.co.kr)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:17:43 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Poverty Is Like A Drug Addiction, An Acceptable Reality
Message-ID: <618.461521.209327@www.giridc.org>

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From Beaves at aol.com  Mon Dec 20 00:54:37 1999
From: Beaves at aol.com (Beaves@aol.com)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:17:43 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: holy buckets, batman!
Message-ID: <0.3dacbe08.258f2cad@aol.com>

Thanks, Doug for pointing me in the 'Storable.pm' direction and to finally 
use the Active State ppm for installing my modules.  (That is pretty neat 
stuff!!)

However, I have run into a slight problem.  Storable.pm works fine at home on 
my Win95 machine.  Since I can't do shell work with my ISP (Hiway.com), I 
figured I'd just FTP all the files that the .ppm provided.  When I try to run 
my script from the server, Storable is not working.  It uses AutoLoader and 
DynaLoader, and DynaLoader is crashing when it looks for the .dll file (near 
as I can tell) for Storable.  (Confused yet?)  I can't say for certain, but 
I'd bet that because of the platform differences, I can't just FTP my PC  
files and think that everything will be hunky dory on my server which runs 
UNIX.  (Like I said, the module works with no hitches on my PC).

Soooo, where does that leave me without a paddle?  Well, there are two 
solutions that I have yet to try, (and I've tried quite a few already...)  
First, I would not mind in the least writing a program that simulated a shell 
script, or one that mimicked the 
"
perl Makefile.PL;
make
make install
"
stuff.  But can I simulate a shell from a Perl script?  How?

Second solution is to have someone working in UNIX that might have a 
(working) copy of the Storable.pm module and its auto loading subdirectories. 
 I could just FTP the correct (hopefully) stuff.  'Maybe' that will work.

Changing ISP's is more and more enticing...
Thanks to anyone that listened for listening...

Tim

From mark at wcws.com  Mon Dec 20 09:24:46 1999
From: mark at wcws.com (Mark A. Sharkey)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:17:43 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: holy buckets, batman!
References: <0.3dacbe08.258f2cad@aol.com>
Message-ID: <385E4A3E.3E763AA6@wcws.com>

Tim,

Here's a quick script to simulate a command prompt that can run on hiway.  Just
copy/paste into an editor, and upload to your hiway account.  If my mail client
splits lines in inappropriate places, go to http://www.wcws.com/doit.txt for a
download copy.  Name the file something like doit.cgi, and remember to chmod to
766 (or 777):

P.S.  Critiques on the code are welcome.


#!/usr/bin/perl

#
# doit.cgi - shell emulator
#
# to be installed in a secure directory immediately off the root
#

#### Turn off perl's buffer so browser won't time out ####
$| = 1;

#### Do standard HTTP stuff ####
&cgi_receive;
&cgi_decode;

&htm_header;

# user may need to change or eliminate this next line
chdir "../";

system ("$FORM{'command'} 2>&1") if ($FORM{'command'});

&htm_footer;

exit;

#####################################################################
#### SUBROUTINES ####################################################
#----------------------------------------------------------------------
sub cgi_receive {
    if ($ENV{'REQUEST_METHOD'} eq "POST") {
        read(STDIN, $incoming, $ENV{'CONTENT_LENGTH'});
    }
    else {
        $incoming = $ENV{'QUERY_STRING'};
    }
}

#----------------------------------------------------------------------
sub cgi_decode {
    @pairs = split(/&/, $incoming);

    foreach (@pairs) {
        ($name, $value) = split(/=/, $_);

        $name  =~ tr/+/ /;
        $value =~ tr/+/ /;
        $name  =~ s/%([A-F0-9][A-F0-9])/pack("C", hex($1))/gie;
        $value =~ s/%([A-F0-9][A-F0-9])/pack("C", hex($1))/gie;

        #### Strip out semicolons unless for special character
        $value =~ s/;/$$/g;
        $value =~ s/&(\S{1,6})$$/&\1;/g;
        $value =~ s/$$/ /g;

        $value =~ s/\|/ /g;
        $value =~ s/^!/ /g; ## Allow exclamation points in sentences

        #### Skip generally blank fields
        next if ($value eq "");

	#### Allow for multiple values of a single name
        $FORM{$name} .= ", " if ($FORM{$name});

        $FORM{$name} .= $value;
	#### Add to ordered list if not on list already
        push (@fields, $name) unless (grep(/^$name$/, @fields));
    }
}

#----------------------------------------------------------------------
sub htm_header {
    print qq|Content-type: text/html

<html>
<head>
<title>Command Entry</title>
</head>
<body bgcolor=white onLoad="document.form1.command.focus();">
<h2 align=center>Command Entry</h2>
<hr>
<div align=center>
<form method=get action=doit.cgi name=form1>
<input type=text name=command value="$FORM{'command'}" size=50><br>
<input type=submit value="Do It!">&nbsp;<small>(Or hit Enter to submit)</small>
</form>
</div>
<hr>
<pre>
|;
}        

#----------------------------------------------------------------------
sub htm_footer {
    print qq|</pre>
</body>
</html>
|;
}        






Beaves@aol.com wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Doug for pointing me in the 'Storable.pm' direction and to finally
> use the Active State ppm for installing my modules.  (That is pretty neat
> stuff!!)
> 
> However, I have run into a slight problem.  Storable.pm works fine at home on
> my Win95 machine.  Since I can't do shell work with my ISP (Hiway.com), I
> figured I'd just FTP all the files that the .ppm provided.  When I try to run
> my script from the server, Storable is not working.  It uses AutoLoader and
> DynaLoader, and DynaLoader is crashing when it looks for the .dll file (near
> as I can tell) for Storable.  (Confused yet?)  I can't say for certain, but
> I'd bet that because of the platform differences, I can't just FTP my PC
> files and think that everything will be hunky dory on my server which runs
> UNIX.  (Like I said, the module works with no hitches on my PC).
> 
> Soooo, where does that leave me without a paddle?  Well, there are two
> solutions that I have yet to try, (and I've tried quite a few already...)
> First, I would not mind in the least writing a program that simulated a shell
> script, or one that mimicked the
> "
> perl Makefile.PL;
> make
> make install
> "
> stuff.  But can I simulate a shell from a Perl script?  How?
> 
> Second solution is to have someone working in UNIX that might have a
> (working) copy of the Storable.pm module and its auto loading subdirectories.
>  I could just FTP the correct (hopefully) stuff.  'Maybe' that will work.
> 
> Changing ISP's is more and more enticing...
> Thanks to anyone that listened for listening...
> 
> Tim

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From doug.miles at ns2.phoenix.bowne.com  Mon Dec 20 10:45:07 1999
From: doug.miles at ns2.phoenix.bowne.com (Douglas E. Miles)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:17:43 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: holy buckets, batman!
References: <0.3dacbe08.258f2cad@aol.com>
Message-ID: <385E5D13.ABE93D52@bpxinternet.com>

Beaves@aol.com wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Doug for pointing me in the 'Storable.pm' direction and to finally
> use the Active State ppm for installing my modules.  (That is pretty neat
> stuff!!)
> 
> However, I have run into a slight problem.  Storable.pm works fine at home on
> my Win95 machine.  Since I can't do shell work with my ISP (Hiway.com), I
> figured I'd just FTP all the files that the .ppm provided.  When I try to run
> my script from the server, Storable is not working.  It uses AutoLoader and
> DynaLoader, and DynaLoader is crashing when it looks for the .dll file (near
> as I can tell) for Storable.  (Confused yet?)  I can't say for certain, but
> I'd bet that because of the platform differences, I can't just FTP my PC
> files and think that everything will be hunky dory on my server which runs
> UNIX.  (Like I said, the module works with no hitches on my PC).

Yep.  That's the case.  What you need to do is go to:

http://search.cpan.org/search?module=Storable

and download the gzip'd tar file.  FTP that over to your ISP

> Soooo, where does that leave me without a paddle?  Well, there are two
> solutions that I have yet to try, (and I've tried quite a few already...)
> First, I would not mind in the least writing a program that simulated a shell
> script, or one that mimicked the
> "
> perl Makefile.PL;
> make
> make install
> "
> stuff.  But can I simulate a shell from a Perl script?  How?

There are different ways you can do this.  Mark presented a solution
that I haven't looked at yet.  You could also create a special CGI that
executes a series of system() commands to do what you want.  i.e.:

system('gunzip', 'Storable-0.6.7.tar.gz');
system('tar', '-xvf', 'Storable-0.6.7.tar');

etc... system()ize the following likewise:

perl Makefile.PL
make
make install

this is untested, and I'm not responsible if it causes global meltdown.
:)

> Second solution is to have someone working in UNIX that might have a
> (working) copy of the Storable.pm module and its auto loading subdirectories.
>  I could just FTP the correct (hopefully) stuff.  'Maybe' that will work.

You're best bet is to actualy build the module on the target machine, as
not all *NIXs are binary compatable.

> Changing ISP's is more and more enticing...
> Thanks to anyone that listened for listening...

Having telnet or ssh access would make this easier.  Good luck!

-- 
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to improve our quality of life, press 3.

From Beaves at aol.com  Mon Dec 20 12:03:21 1999
From: Beaves at aol.com (Beaves@aol.com)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:17:43 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: holy buckets, batman!
Message-ID: <0.64880bc8.258fc969@aol.com>

Well, your suggestion of doing the system commands sounds like it should work 
up until the Makefile.PL stuff below.

<< 
 etc... system()ize the following likewise:
 
 perl Makefile.PL
 make
 make install
 
 this is untested, and I'm not responsible if it causes global meltdown.
 :)
  >>

The reason being is that I believe Makefile.PL needs to have 'make' and 'make 
install' sent to it at the prompts for STDIN (but I'm not certain about 
this...)  This sounds like a piped process would be in order, but I have no 
clue about how to go about it.

Would this work?  system('perl Makefile.PL', 'make', 'make install')   or is 
that syntactically incorrect right out of the box.

I hope I was clear with my problem statment.  It appears that Storable.pm 
needs to be extracted in the environment that it will be used in, in order to 
build the correct files, etc.

Thanks for everyone's help on this.  Mark, I'll be trying your script this 
afternoon...

Tim


From doug.miles at ns2.phoenix.bowne.com  Mon Dec 20 12:18:08 1999
From: doug.miles at ns2.phoenix.bowne.com (Douglas E. Miles)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:17:43 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: holy buckets, batman!
References: <0.64880bc8.258fc969@aol.com>
Message-ID: <385E72E0.81CED62F@bpxinternet.com>

Beaves@aol.com wrote:
> 
> Well, your suggestion of doing the system commands sounds like it should work
> up until the Makefile.PL stuff below.
> 
> <<
>  etc... system()ize the following likewise:
> 
>  perl Makefile.PL
>  make
>  make install
> 
>  this is untested, and I'm not responsible if it causes global meltdown.
>  :)
>   >>
> 
> The reason being is that I believe Makefile.PL needs to have 'make' and 'make
> install' sent to it at the prompts for STDIN (but I'm not certain about
> this...)  This sounds like a piped process would be in order, but I have no
> clue about how to go about it.
> 
> Would this work?  system('perl Makefile.PL', 'make', 'make install')   or is
> that syntactically incorrect right out of the box.

Nope, that won't work.  Sorry for the confusing example.  I just got
lazy (read: virtuous :) ) and didn't want to type out all of the system
calls.  From the perlfunc man page:

If there is more than one argument in LIST, or if LIST is an array with
more than one value, starts the program given by the first element of
the list with arguments given by the rest of the list.

The first argument is the program to run, and the subsequent list
elements are the arguments.  That being said, it should look more like
this:

system('perl Makefile.PL');
system('make');
system('make install');

One thing you might have to worry about are paths.  I'm not sure if
within the CGI environment you'll be able to access everything you need
without specifiying the path.  You'll probably just have to experiment
with this.

> I hope I was clear with my problem statment.  It appears that Storable.pm
> needs to be extracted in the environment that it will be used in, in order to
> build the correct files, etc.
> 
> Thanks for everyone's help on this.  Mark, I'll be trying your script this
> afternoon...
> 
> Tim

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to improve our quality of life, press 3.

From Beaves at aol.com  Mon Dec 20 21:55:58 1999
From: Beaves at aol.com (Beaves@aol.com)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:17:43 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Thanks
Message-ID: <0.c4e575e9.2590544e@aol.com>

Thanks for everyone's help recently.  I got Mark's script to run and it works 
great.
(an aside... Mark, what is the '2>&1' doing in:
system ("$FORM{'command'} 2>&1") if ($FORM{'command'});
?)

I was able to unzip, and untar (?) the file using the script.  I got past the 
perl Makefile.PL part supposedly successfully.  'make' crashed though, and 
from what the author of Storable said, it appears as though 'make' could not 
find the C compiler.  He recommended Data::Dumper instead.  So, I think I'm 
going to go with that.  (The C compiler is not available for customer use at 
Hiway apparently).

I also tried to build the CPAN.pm module on my server using the system call 
script that Mark wrote.  That went into an infinite loop when 'perl 
Makefile.PL' was run.  The output made it seem as though the Makefile.PL 
script was attempting to get something from <STDIN> and got an unacceptable 
'null' value ad infinitum.  I guess it would be rather complicated to write 
an interactive shell script program, I know its out of my pay grade.  (plus, 
I'm sure most people would just tell me "hey, why don't you switch servers?")

Anyway, as with most tangents, I ended up learning quite a bit.  Thanks to 
the group for the help.

By the way, 'Data::Dumper' is one of the core perl modules and is already 
intalled at Hiway.  (Wheewwww!)

Tim

From Ron.Giffin at motorola.com  Wed Dec 22 09:57:07 1999
From: Ron.Giffin at motorola.com (Giffin Ron-P08295)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:17:43 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Greetings
Message-ID: <01CA656A687ED211926B00805F779140035D4FA9@az25exm02.geg.mot.com>


Want to wish all PM'ers happy holidays and a great Y2K.  Thanks
for all your responses to my posts this year.  May your Perl always
run error-free, and on the first try!  (Yeah, sure)

  -- Ron



From doug.miles at ns2.phoenix.bowne.com  Wed Dec 22 15:04:19 1999
From: doug.miles at ns2.phoenix.bowne.com (Douglas E. Miles)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:17:43 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: [Fwd: Perl Programmer Job Posting]
Message-ID: <38613CD3.1D11B148@bpxinternet.com>


----------------------------------------------------------

Perl Programmer Needed

We are looking for a perl programmer to help us with various interactive 
projects at Do Something. (www.dosomething.org)

Required skills: Perl (CGI), DBI, MySQL, HTML (job experience: 1 year or 
more with all of these)
When: Immediately
How long: next 30-45 days intensively
Hours: 30 per week

As an example of the type of work:

A registration CGI:
-people fill out form fields
-the fields are input into a MySQL database
-there is an admin page that staff can use to edit entries made by the 
registrants.

Basically you will be given completed HTML, which you can adapt for
input 
into a MySQL database through DBI. The second part of that work can mean
an 
administrative script so DS staff can edit entries.

Another aspect of the work is taking information from the MySQL database 
through DBI and generating results, such as a list of states showing how 
many schools were registered in that state and information about each
school.

The important point to mention is that we have a high amount of work and 
need a fast turn-around.

We will provide most HTML completed and need someone who has worked 
with  Perl, DBI, MySQL for a large project (20,000 registered users).

If you are interested please contact me directly at:

Pablo Velasquez
Do Something
Online Director

Phone: 480-967-2667
E-mail: pablo@dosomething.org

Thanks so much for your time.

From phaedrus at endless.org  Tue Dec 28 00:03:00 1999
From: phaedrus at endless.org (Phaedrus)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:17:43 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Hello...
In-Reply-To: <199912161941.MAA14023@smtp02.primenet.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9912280100410.2497-100000@the.endless.org>

> From: James Forsmo <jforsmo@primenet.com>
> >James Forsmo wrote:
> >> 
> >> Hello All,
> >> I'm developing a new web site for a long-time client and I'd like to
> >> implement some Perl scripts to create a "Job Opportunites" page that can be
> >> updated by my client's HR department through their web browser.
> >> 

James, 

How is this going?
Please tell us all that you're not stuck =)

-scott


From jforsmo at primenet.com  Tue Dec 28 09:02:46 1999
From: jforsmo at primenet.com (James Forsmo)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:17:43 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Hello...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9912280100410.2497-100000@the.endless.org>
Message-ID: <B48E1F26.2B5%jforsmo@primenet.com>

Gosh!

Thanks for checking up on me. Y'all are pretty cool! I got a response from
Peter Jones offering to give me a hand and help instruct me along the way.
I'm only on Day 7 of Learn Perl in 21 Days. I'm getting a lot out of it, but
I'm down with the flu right now (bummer).

Thanks again for checking in. I'll post my progress, etc. once we get going.

:)

-- 
James Forsmo
Carlton Design Group
602-252-3813
602-625-3541

> From: Phaedrus <phaedrus@endless.org>
> Reply-To: phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org
> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 01:03:00 -0500 (EST)
> To: phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org
> Subject: Re: Phoenix.pm: Hello...
> 
>> From: James Forsmo <jforsmo@primenet.com>
>>> James Forsmo wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello All,
>>>> I'm developing a new web site for a long-time client and I'd like to
>>>> implement some Perl scripts to create a "Job Opportunites" page that can be
>>>> updated by my client's HR department through their web browser.
>>>> 
> 
> James, 
> 
> How is this going?
> Please tell us all that you're not stuck =)
> 
> -scott
> 
>