From robert at robertblackwell.com Tue Nov 1 17:32:30 2005 From: robert at robertblackwell.com (Robert Blackwell) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 17:32:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [pgh-pm] Pittsburgh Perl Mongers | Meeting | Wednesday November 9, 2005 19:00 Message-ID: <20051102013231.6723.qmail@web52202.mail.yahoo.com> * Social Gathering * Our meetings are open to anyone interested in Perl, the talk topic, beer, geekdom, etc. Please join us. * Location * Dave & Buster's 180 Waterfront Dr E, Homestead, PA 15120 412.462.1500 Wednesday November 9, 2005 19:00 * Talks * * PPW - All * We will discuss our progress and next steps. From robert at robertblackwell.com Tue Nov 1 18:19:29 2005 From: robert at robertblackwell.com (Robert Blackwell) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 18:19:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [pgh-pm] Allegheny Observatory Message-ID: <20051102021929.29758.qmail@web52204.mail.yahoo.com> Monger interested in looking to the stars, Well I was looking tonight to see when the open house was this year for the Observatory. It was in September. Too bad I went once and it was very interesting. So watch this space for the next open house. http://www.pitt.edu/~aobsvtry/ Also, they have the "2005 Allegheny Observatory Public Lecture Series". There is only one lecture left this year: November 8 Prof. Thaddeus Worek, CCAC >From Algol to HD 209458b: How Eclipsing Stars Have Contributed to the Discovery of New Solar Systems It might make a nice social. Robert Robert Blackwell robert at robertblackwell.com AIM: robertdblackwell Yahoo!: robertblackwell Jabber: robertblackwell at jabber.com http://www.robertblackwell.com Skype: rblackwe From chris.winters at gmail.com Wed Nov 9 06:32:02 2005 From: chris.winters at gmail.com (Chris Winters) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 09:32:02 -0500 Subject: [pgh-pm] where in D + B? Message-ID: Is there anyone new attending tonight's meeting? If so speak up and we'll figure out a specific place to meet in Dave and Buster's. Chris From robertblackwell at yahoo.com Wed Nov 9 06:33:22 2005 From: robertblackwell at yahoo.com (Robert Blackwell) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 06:33:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [pgh-pm] Pittsburgh Perl Mongers | Meeting | Wednesday November 9, 2005 19:00 In-Reply-To: <20051102013231.6723.qmail@web52202.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20051109143322.35412.qmail@web52202.mail.yahoo.com> For those of you going to the Perl Monger meeting tonight at Dave & Buster's. We will meet in the main entrance until about 7:05 then proceed to get a table in the dinning room. If you want to join us for dinner and can not be there by 7:05 drop a note to the list so we can get a seat for you. Hope to see you all there. Robert > * Social Gathering * > > Our meetings are open to anyone interested in Perl, the talk topic, beer, geekdom, etc. Please > join us. > > * Location * > > Dave & Buster's > 180 Waterfront Dr E, Homestead, PA 15120 > 412.462.1500 > > Wednesday November 9, 2005 > 19:00 > > * Talks * > > * PPW - All * > > We will discuss our progress and next steps. > > > > _______________________________________________ > pgh-pm mailing list > pgh-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pgh-pm > Robert Blackwell robert at robertblackwell.com AIM: robertdblackwell Yahoo!: robertblackwell Jabber: robertblackwell at jabber.com http://www.robertblackwell.com Skype: rblackwe From chris.winters at gmail.com Wed Nov 9 12:04:00 2005 From: chris.winters at gmail.com (Chris Winters) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 15:04:00 -0500 Subject: [pgh-pm] time to stock up on ORA? Message-ID: Bookpool is having a ~50% off sale on O'Reilly books - nice! http://www.bookpool.com/ct/98076 Chris From casey at geeknest.com Mon Nov 14 12:59:20 2005 From: casey at geeknest.com (Casey West) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 15:59:20 -0500 Subject: [pgh-pm] Vote: Pick the date of PPW Message-ID: <899A79BD-C423-4B7D-8A51-1CFD46300310@geeknest.com> CMU has told us their facility is open every Saturday in September 2006. So we just have to pick a date to hold the venue. Vote on your preferred date from the following list. This Friday we'll close the polls and announce the date. Here are your options. 1. September 2, 2006 2. September 9, 2006 3. September 16, 2006 4. September 23, 2006 5. September 30, 2006 Thanks! -- Casey West From Dan at DWright.Org Mon Nov 14 14:20:15 2005 From: Dan at DWright.Org (Daniel J. Wright) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 17:20:15 -0500 (EST) Subject: [pgh-pm] PPW Virtual Meetings Message-ID: <1772.216.92.130.24.1132006815.squirrel@webmail2.pair.com> If anybody is regularly on AIM or ICQ and would like to occasionally participate in virtual meetings to discuss the progress of PPW, please send me your ID. If I see you are on when we are working on things, I'll be sure to include you. Thanks, -Dan From tom at moertel.com Mon Nov 14 14:53:15 2005 From: tom at moertel.com (Tom Moertel) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 17:53:15 -0500 Subject: [pgh-pm] Vote: Pick the date of PPW In-Reply-To: <899A79BD-C423-4B7D-8A51-1CFD46300310@geeknest.com> References: <899A79BD-C423-4B7D-8A51-1CFD46300310@geeknest.com> Message-ID: <4379155B.6060509@moertel.com> Casey West wrote: > Here are your options. > > 1. September 2, 2006 > 2. September 9, 2006 > 3. September 16, 2006 > 4. September 23, 2006 > 5. September 30, 2006 ICFP 2006 is September 18--20. Some interesting speakers (e.g., Perl 6 folks) are probably going to attend the ICFP's Haskell Workshop. If we select our dates carefully, then, we might be able to get speakers who otherwise would not be able to fly into the USA just for PPW. Just a thought. Cheers, Tom From ceo at fat24.com Tue Nov 15 02:43:29 2005 From: ceo at fat24.com (James Linden Rose, III) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 05:43:29 -0500 Subject: [pgh-pm] Vote: Pick the date of PPW In-Reply-To: <899A79BD-C423-4B7D-8A51-1CFD46300310@geeknest.com> Message-ID: 9-9 at 9:00 AM as a certain appeal... On Monday, November 14, 2005, at 03:59 PM, Casey West wrote: > CMU has told us their facility is open every Saturday in September > 2006. So we just have to pick a date to hold the venue. > > Vote on your preferred date from the following list. This Friday > we'll close the polls and announce the date. > > Here are your options. > > 1. September 2, 2006 > 2. September 9, 2006 > 3. September 16, 2006 > 4. September 23, 2006 > 5. September 30, 2006 > > Thanks! > > -- > Casey West > > > _______________________________________________ > pgh-pm mailing list > pgh-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pgh-pm > From casey at geeknest.com Tue Nov 15 07:08:35 2005 From: casey at geeknest.com (Casey West) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:08:35 -0500 Subject: [pgh-pm] Vote: Pick the date of PPW In-Reply-To: <4379155B.6060509@moertel.com> References: <899A79BD-C423-4B7D-8A51-1CFD46300310@geeknest.com> <4379155B.6060509@moertel.com> Message-ID: <857C9D52-EF24-44C4-90A5-27217B0F27B6@geeknest.com> On Nov 14, 2005, at 5:53 PM, Tom Moertel wrote: > ICFP 2006 is September 18--20. Some interesting speakers (e.g., > Perl 6 folks) are probably going to attend the ICFP's Haskell > Workshop. If we select our dates carefully, then, we might be able > to get speakers who otherwise would not be able to fly into the USA > just for PPW. > > Just a thought. This is a cool idea, and we should consider what is going on around this time, but I wonder how helpful this would be since it's in Portland, Oregon? If there are people flying into the states and if they have the budget to make a "quick" stop in Pittsburgh I can see the appeal. :-) -- Casey West From chris.winters at gmail.com Wed Nov 16 13:19:31 2005 From: chris.winters at gmail.com (Chris Winters) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 16:19:31 -0500 Subject: [pgh-pm] Vote: Pick the date of PPW In-Reply-To: <899A79BD-C423-4B7D-8A51-1CFD46300310@geeknest.com> References: <899A79BD-C423-4B7D-8A51-1CFD46300310@geeknest.com> Message-ID: On 11/14/05, Casey West wrote: > CMU has told us their facility is open every Saturday in September > 2006. So we just have to pick a date to hold the venue. > > Vote on your preferred date from the following list. This Friday > we'll close the polls and announce the date. > > Here are your options. > > 1. September 2, 2006 > 2. September 9, 2006 > 3. September 16, 2006 > 4. September 23, 2006 > 5. September 30, 2006 Sep 2 may be nice and attract more people because Sep 4 is a holiday (Labor Day). Barring any other discriminating feature, that's my vote. Also, note that according to: http://www.butlerwebs.com/holidays/calendar.htm the 23rd falls during Rosh Hashanah. Chris From rdblackw at robertblackwell.com Wed Nov 16 14:40:33 2005 From: rdblackw at robertblackwell.com (Robert Blackwell) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 17:40:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: [pgh-pm] Vote: Pick the date of PPW Message-ID: This is my order of date preference. I like Tom's ICFP 2006 suggestion 1. September 23, 2006 afterward is best I think. 2. September 16, 2006 before is the next best thing. 3. September 30, 2006 If ICFP is not an issue then give us more time :) 4. September 9, 2006 5. September 2, 2006 From Dan at DWright.Org Wed Nov 16 15:25:15 2005 From: Dan at DWright.Org (Daniel J. Wright) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 18:25:15 -0500 (EST) Subject: [pgh-pm] Vote: Pick the date of PPW In-Reply-To: <899A79BD-C423-4B7D-8A51-1CFD46300310@geeknest.com> References: <899A79BD-C423-4B7D-8A51-1CFD46300310@geeknest.com> Message-ID: <1470.216.92.130.153.1132183515.squirrel@webmail1.pair.com> I will cast a NEGATIVE vote for September 2nd, and September 30th. Both of those date are going to have a high likelyhood of conflict with personal obligations that I will likely have. Beyond that, I agree with Robert that the more time we have, the better. So my preferences are: 1. September 23, 2006 2. September 16, 2006 3. September 9, 2006 Also, CMU has let me know that as far as money is concerned, they just need 50% down 10 days prior to the event. Really good news. -Dan > CMU has told us their facility is open every Saturday in September > 2006. So we just have to pick a date to hold the venue. > > Vote on your preferred date from the following list. This Friday > we'll close the polls and announce the date. > > Here are your options. > > 1. September 2, 2006 > 2. September 9, 2006 > 3. September 16, 2006 > 4. September 23, 2006 > 5. September 30, 2006 > > Thanks! > > -- > Casey West > > > _______________________________________________ > pgh-pm mailing list > pgh-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pgh-pm > From chris.winters at gmail.com Thu Nov 17 10:42:00 2005 From: chris.winters at gmail.com (Chris Winters) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 13:42:00 -0500 Subject: [pgh-pm] thoughts on future talks Message-ID: Over beer and pool at the last meeting, Dan brought up how we're kind of in a static mode where generally the same people show up and talk to each other about new stuff they're doing. That's not such a bad thing, but I think one of Dan's points is that we can do more. I know that I tend to think only about talks on projects I've done. But since I talk about things I like (abstraction, patterns), and I've been coding Perl for a while, you need some Perl under your belt to follow along. That's not doing much for people who don't know Perl that well or who might be interested in learning more. So maybe we should do more talks on simple, straightforward stuff, like: - Using dates and times - Accessing databases - Using a templating engine - Scraping the web for interesting data - Calling remote systems with foo messaging system (XML-RPC, SOAP, ...) - Manipulating external programs/program data (excel spreadsheets, PDF files...) - Benchmarking - Little scripts that should be in your toolbox - Object-oriented perl Some of them have been done before, but maybe we can refer to those as "classic hits" instead of "retreads" :-) Just a thought. Chris From chris.winters at gmail.com Thu Nov 17 10:45:03 2005 From: chris.winters at gmail.com (Chris Winters) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 13:45:03 -0500 Subject: [pgh-pm] December meeting Message-ID: One of the things we usually do in the December meeting is some sort of book exchange. Anyone up for that? I have a few I'm not reading anymore that I think some people would find useful. Chris From chris.winters at gmail.com Thu Nov 17 17:24:31 2005 From: chris.winters at gmail.com (Chris Winters) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 20:24:31 -0500 Subject: [pgh-pm] December meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 11/17/05, Chris Winters wrote: > One of the things we usually do in the December meeting is some sort > of book exchange. Anyone up for that? I have a few I'm not reading > anymore that I think some people would find useful. And just in case you didn't believe me, I will have the following up for grabs: - Perl Template Toolkit, Chamberlain, Cross and Wardley - Analysis Patterns, Fowler - Code Complete (1st ed), McConnell - Software Craftsmanship, McBreen - Extreme Programming in Practice, Newkirk and Martin - It's Not Carpal Tunnel Syndrome! Damany and Bellis Chris From sean at redhandsoftware.com Mon Nov 21 13:24:55 2005 From: sean at redhandsoftware.com (Sean McCune) Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 16:24:55 -0500 Subject: [pgh-pm] Vote: Pick the date of PPW In-Reply-To: <899A79BD-C423-4B7D-8A51-1CFD46300310@geeknest.com> References: <899A79BD-C423-4B7D-8A51-1CFD46300310@geeknest.com> Message-ID: <43823B27.5070202@redhandsoftware.com> Sorry for the late response. I've been buying a house and doing a lot of the running around like a crazy person that goes along with it. So I haven't been paying attention to the emails. I can't be certain at this point that I'll be in town on any given date in September of next year, so with that caveat... If the ICFP thing is a good thing to sidle up to: Sept. 23 Sept. 16 Sept . 30 Sept. 9 If not: Sept. 30 Sept. 23 Sept. 16 Sept. 9 I vote for staying away from Sept. 2. Long holiday weekend... people will be doing other things... including me, probably. McC Casey West wrote: > CMU has told us their facility is open every Saturday in September > 2006. So we just have to pick a date to hold the venue. > > Vote on your preferred date from the following list. This Friday > we'll close the polls and announce the date. > > Here are your options. > > 1. September 2, 2006 > 2. September 9, 2006 > 3. September 16, 2006 > 4. September 23, 2006 > 5. September 30, 2006 > > Thanks! > > From Dan at DWright.Org Mon Nov 21 14:50:09 2005 From: Dan at DWright.Org (Daniel J. Wright) Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 17:50:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: [pgh-pm] Vote: Pick the date of PPW In-Reply-To: <899A79BD-C423-4B7D-8A51-1CFD46300310@geeknest.com> References: <899A79BD-C423-4B7D-8A51-1CFD46300310@geeknest.com> Message-ID: <3720.216.92.130.24.1132613409.squirrel@webmail2.pair.com> After reviewing all the responses to the list in the past week, it looks like September 23rd is the most agreeable to everybody that responded. I will as CMU to hold that date for us. -Dan > CMU has told us their facility is open every Saturday in September > 2006. So we just have to pick a date to hold the venue. > > Vote on your preferred date from the following list. This Friday > we'll close the polls and announce the date. > > Here are your options. > > 1. September 2, 2006 > 2. September 9, 2006 > 3. September 16, 2006 > 4. September 23, 2006 > 5. September 30, 2006 > > Thanks! > > -- > Casey West > > > _______________________________________________ > pgh-pm mailing list > pgh-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pgh-pm > From Dan at DWright.Org Mon Nov 28 16:07:22 2005 From: Dan at DWright.Org (Daniel J. Wright) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 19:07:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: [pgh-pm] ('PPW' eq 'CMU') ? 'Not so sure' : 'Better keep looking' Message-ID: <2505.216.92.130.24.1133222842.squirrel@webmail2.pair.com> CMU wants a $2 million liability insurance certficate to use their facilities. Additionally, they pulled a bit of a bait-and-switch with regards to their pricing. I intend to continue talking to them to find out how much of this can be corrected. However, those of you that agreed to look into other venu options should probaly continue to do so for now. -Dan