From casey at geeknest.com Fri Mar 4 08:48:11 2005 From: casey at geeknest.com (Casey West) Date: Fri Mar 4 08:48:37 2005 Subject: [pgh-pm] March Meeting Message-ID: <20050304164811.GA85643@geeknest.com> Hi. March is upon us. Are we planning to meet up along with the potgresql folks again? In any case, here are a few points of interest. * I have five copies of O'Reilly's make magazine to give away in some orderly fashion. * I could talk about hacking your mac to produce MP3s of Real Network's audio streams. I did this to get Marketplace on my new iPod. Please discuss! Casey West -- "A new swimming pool is rapidly taking shape since the contractors have thrown in the bulk of their workers." --In an East African newspaper From robertblackwell at yahoo.com Fri Mar 4 09:05:09 2005 From: robertblackwell at yahoo.com (Robert Blackwell) Date: Fri Mar 4 09:05:20 2005 Subject: [pgh-pm] March Meeting In-Reply-To: <20050304164811.GA85643@geeknest.com> Message-ID: <20050304170510.79610.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com> --- Casey West wrote: > Hi. March is upon us. Are we planning to meet up along with the > potgresql folks again? Given the large interest at the last Perl Mongers meeting regarding the postgreSQL group I had hoped to have more people than 10 on the mailing lists that Tom set up (http://postgresql.moertel.com/). I felt we had a good turn out for the first postgreSQL meeting and was very excited about the momentum. (The revived Pittsburgh Perl Mongers only had 3 people at the first meeting.) I think we should just have a Perl Mongers meeting. You can give the talk you proposed below. Regarding the posgreSQL group I think it is time to see if it will stand on its own. I will post a message to the lists and people of interest and see if a Pittsburgh PostgreSQL users group can make a go of it meeting on a seperate day. > In any case, here are a few points of interest. > > * I have five copies of O'Reilly's make magazine to give away in some > orderly fashion. Fantastic! I have not subscribed yet. Have you made anything yet?:) > * I could talk about hacking your mac to produce MP3s of Real Network's > audio streams. I did this to get Marketplace on my new iPod. This sounds cool. > > Please discuss! > > Casey West > > -- > "A new swimming pool is rapidly taking shape since the contractors > have thrown in the bulk of their workers." > --In an East African newspaper > > _______________________________________________ > pgh-pm mailing list > pgh-pm@pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pgh-pm > ===== Robert Blackwell robert@robertblackwell.com AIM: robertdblackwell Yahoo!: robertblackwell Jabber: robertblackwell@jabber.com http://www.robertblackwell.com Skype: rblackwe From robertblackwell at yahoo.com Fri Mar 4 09:45:16 2005 From: robertblackwell at yahoo.com (Robert Blackwell) Date: Fri Mar 4 09:45:28 2005 Subject: [pgh-pm] Pittsburgh PostgreSQL Users Group: mailing lists, website, next meeting and talks Message-ID: <20050304174516.90220.qmail@web54203.mail.yahoo.com> All; I was very encouraged at the first Pittsburgh PostgreSQl Users Group we had about 14 people there. Thank you all for coming. The group seemed very interested in making a real users group not just one being hosted by the Pittsburgh Perl Mongers. Now we are about one month later with a website (http://postgresql.moertel.com/) and mailing lists (postgresql-announce@lists.moertel.com and postgresql-users@lists.moertel.com). The sad fact is that we have no traffic on the lists and few subscribers. Also no one offered to give a talk this month. If you are interested in making a successful Pittsburgh PostgreSQL Users Group please sign up to the lists and offer to give a talk. I will not make future posts to wplug@wplug.org, pgh-pm@mail.pm.org or individuals as to Pittsburgh PostgreSQL Users Group issues. Please sign up to the lists if you want further information about the Pittsburgh PostgreSQL Users Group. We need two things for a successful Users Group, people to come to the meetings and hear the talks and people to give the talks. I will be starting the following threads on the postgresql-users list: Meeting Date/Time: When would the majority of people want to meet for the group? I suggest the 3rd Wednesday of the month at 7:00 PM. Talks: What talks would you like to hear? Maybe you do not have the expertise on the topic to give the talk but maybe someone else does. What talks would you be willing to give? Robert ===== Robert Blackwell robert@robertblackwell.com AIM: robertdblackwell Yahoo!: robertblackwell Jabber: robertblackwell@jabber.com http://www.robertblackwell.com Skype: rblackwe From tom at moertel.com Mon Mar 7 11:18:50 2005 From: tom at moertel.com (Tom Moertel) Date: Mon Mar 7 11:19:03 2005 Subject: [pgh-pm] March Meeting In-Reply-To: <20050304164811.GA85643@geeknest.com> References: <20050304164811.GA85643@geeknest.com> Message-ID: <422CA91A.90001@moertel.com> Casey West wrote: > * I could talk about hacking your mac to produce MP3s of Real Network's > audio streams. I did this to get Marketplace on my new iPod. (1) I have done something similar but less DMCA-encumbered by creating a "Radio VCR." With it, I record NPR broadcasts off the air and save them to a hard-drive archive for time-shifted listening at my convenience. A few small scripts manage a subset of this archive on my iPod for on-the-go listening. I am very happy with the result. For more information: http://community.moertel.com/ss/space/start/2005-02-26/1 I would be happy to share my experiences at the meeting. (2) I would also be happy to give a short talk (no more than 15 minutes) on AutoCurry: http://search.cpan.org/dist/AutoCurry/lib/AutoCurry.pm Casey, let me know if you are interested so that I can prepare for the talk. Cheers, Tom From casey at geeknest.com Mon Mar 7 11:27:26 2005 From: casey at geeknest.com (Casey West) Date: Mon Mar 7 11:27:44 2005 Subject: [pgh-pm] March Meeting In-Reply-To: <422CA91A.90001@moertel.com> References: <20050304164811.GA85643@geeknest.com> <422CA91A.90001@moertel.com> Message-ID: <20050307192726.GB85643@geeknest.com> It was Monday, March 07, 2005 when Tom Moertel took the soap box, saying: : Casey West wrote: : >* I could talk about hacking your mac to produce MP3s of Real Network's : > audio streams. I did this to get Marketplace on my new iPod. : : (1) I have done something similar but less DMCA-encumbered by creating : a "Radio VCR." With it, I record NPR broadcasts off the air and save : them to a hard-drive archive for time-shifted listening at my : convenience. A few small scripts manage a subset of this archive on my : iPod for on-the-go listening. I am very happy with the result. : : For more information: : : http://community.moertel.com/ss/space/start/2005-02-26/1 : : I would be happy to share my experiences at the meeting. Yes, : (2) I would also be happy to give a short talk (no more than 15 minutes) : on AutoCurry: : : http://search.cpan.org/dist/AutoCurry/lib/AutoCurry.pm : : Casey, let me know if you are interested so that I can prepare for the talk. and Yes. :-) Casey West -- If you don't double-click me, I can't do anything. -- John Aniston, on how computers have taken over his life From casey at geeknest.com Wed Mar 9 09:28:56 2005 From: casey at geeknest.com (Casey West) Date: Wed Mar 9 09:29:14 2005 Subject: [pgh-pm] March Meeting Tonight Message-ID: <20050309172856.GE85643@geeknest.com> Where: Slaymaker Systems on Baum [See http://slaysys.com/contact_us.html for details.] What: Hack Your Mac: Mac::Glue Crash Course Casey West will demonstrate the details of automating a mac using the Perl bindings. He'll show you how to rip a PRI Marketplace real audio stream to mp3. Hacking Radio Tom Moertel will demonstrate his system for queueing radio. It is probably more legal than Caseys. make Magazine Give Away O'Reilly sent us five free copies. They will be distributed some how. Food and Drink We eat! :-) I will also be attempting to record sessions to put online and archive. We'll see how that goes. It's a trial run, but I have the right software and hardware (including a cute tabletop tripod). Casey West -- Guide to understanding a net.addict's day: Slow day: didn't have much to do, so spent three hours on usenet. Busy day: managed to work in three hours of usenet. Bad day: barely squeezed in three hours of usenet. From chris at cwinters.com Wed Mar 9 13:06:17 2005 From: chris at cwinters.com (Chris Winters) Date: Wed Mar 9 12:57:16 2005 Subject: [pgh-pm] March Meeting Tonight In-Reply-To: <20050309172856.GE85643@geeknest.com> References: <20050309172856.GE85643@geeknest.com> Message-ID: <20050309210617.GB17954@www.openinteract.org> * Casey West (casey@geeknest.com) [050309 12:38]: > Where: Slaymaker Systems on Baum > [See http://slaysys.com/contact_us.html for details.] >... I really wanted to see these tonight but unfortunate family obligations take precedence. See you folks next month. Chris -- Chris Winters (http://www.cwinters.com) Building enterprise-capable snack solutions since 1988 From casey at geeknest.com Wed Mar 9 13:01:03 2005 From: casey at geeknest.com (Casey West) Date: Wed Mar 9 13:01:16 2005 Subject: [pgh-pm] March Meeting Tonight In-Reply-To: References: <20050309172856.GE85643@geeknest.com> Message-ID: <20050309210103.GF85643@geeknest.com> It was Wednesday, March 09, 2005 when Tom Link took the soap box, saying: : When? Sorry, the meeting is at 7:00 pm, which is when we usually have it. I took that for granted, which isn't a good thing. My fault. :-) Casey West -- Losing a technical argument? Try this: Unfortunately, the license would contaminate our product. From barries at slaysys.com Wed Mar 9 14:09:18 2005 From: barries at slaysys.com (Barrie Slaymaker) Date: Wed Mar 9 13:06:54 2005 Subject: [pgh-pm] March Meeting Tonight In-Reply-To: <20050309172856.GE85643@geeknest.com> References: <20050309172856.GE85643@geeknest.com> Message-ID: <20050309220917.GB17532@slaysys.com> We may also have an impromptu demo of using Image::Magick to upsample screen shots and then feed it to an OCR package, if both Sean and his laptop are willing. - Barrie On Wed, Mar 09, 2005 at 12:28:56PM -0500, Casey West wrote: > Where: Slaymaker Systems on Baum > [See http://slaysys.com/contact_us.html for details.] > > What: Hack Your Mac: Mac::Glue Crash Course > Casey West will demonstrate the details of automating a mac > using the Perl bindings. He'll show you how to rip a PRI > Marketplace real audio stream to mp3. > Hacking Radio > Tom Moertel will demonstrate his system for queueing radio. It > is probably more legal than Caseys. > make Magazine Give Away > O'Reilly sent us five free copies. They will be distributed > some how. > Food and Drink > We eat! :-) > > I will also be attempting to record sessions to put online and > archive. We'll see how that goes. It's a trial run, but I have the > right software and hardware (including a cute tabletop tripod). > > Casey West > > -- > Guide to understanding a net.addict's day: > Slow day: didn't have much to do, so spent three hours on usenet. > Busy day: managed to work in three hours of usenet. > Bad day: barely squeezed in three hours of usenet. > > _______________________________________________ > pgh-pm mailing list > pgh-pm@pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pgh-pm From casey at geeknest.com Wed Mar 9 13:13:22 2005 From: casey at geeknest.com (Casey West) Date: Wed Mar 9 13:13:40 2005 Subject: [pgh-pm] March Meeting Tonight In-Reply-To: <20050309220917.GB17532@slaysys.com> References: <20050309172856.GE85643@geeknest.com> <20050309220917.GB17532@slaysys.com> Message-ID: <20050309211322.GG85643@geeknest.com> It was Wednesday, March 09, 2005 when Barrie Slaymaker took the soap box, saying: : We may also have an impromptu demo of using Image::Magick to : upsample screen shots and then feed it to an OCR package, if both Sean : and his laptop are willing. That rocks. Thanks Barrie! Casey West -- Shlomi - you disrespect the very people that you want to entice into a different behavior. I do not. From tom at moertel.com Wed Mar 9 13:44:12 2005 From: tom at moertel.com (Tom Moertel) Date: Wed Mar 9 13:44:25 2005 Subject: [pgh-pm] March Meeting Tonight In-Reply-To: <20050309172856.GE85643@geeknest.com> References: <20050309172856.GE85643@geeknest.com> Message-ID: <422F6E2C.1020504@moertel.com> Casey West wrote: > Hacking Radio > Tom Moertel will demonstrate his system for queueing radio. It > is probably more legal than Caseys. YET EVEN MORE CRAZINESS: I will also be talking briefly about AutoCurry.pm. This is going to be a chock-full Perl Mongers meeting! Cheers, Tom From robertblackwell at yahoo.com Wed Mar 9 14:28:53 2005 From: robertblackwell at yahoo.com (Robert Blackwell) Date: Wed Mar 9 14:29:03 2005 Subject: [pgh-pm] March Meeting Tonight In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050309222853.83000.qmail@web54207.mail.yahoo.com> --- Barrie Slaymaker wrote: > We may also have an impromptu demo of using Image::Magick to > upsample screen shots and then feed it to an OCR package, if both Sean > and his laptop are willing. This sounds like it might be more interesting than my little hack I use to do screenshots when I am doing tech support for my mom ... use Win32::Clipboard; $CLIP = Win32::Clipboard(); $CLIP->Empty(); while(1){ $CLIP->WaitForChange(); if( $CLIP->IsBitmap() ) { $image = $CLIP->GetBitmap(); $file_name = $file_number++ . ".bmp"; print $file_name . "\n"; open BITMAP, ">$file_name"; binmode BITMAP; print BITMAP $image; close BITMAP; } } > > - Barrie > > On Wed, Mar 09, 2005 at 12:28:56PM -0500, Casey West wrote: > > Where: Slaymaker Systems on Baum > > [See http://slaysys.com/contact_us.html for details.] > > > > What: Hack Your Mac: Mac::Glue Crash Course > > Casey West will demonstrate the details of automating a mac > > using the Perl bindings. He'll show you how to rip a PRI > > Marketplace real audio stream to mp3. > > Hacking Radio > > Tom Moertel will demonstrate his system for queueing radio. It > > is probably more legal than Caseys. > > make Magazine Give Away > > O'Reilly sent us five free copies. They will be distributed > > some how. > > Food and Drink > > We eat! :-) > > > > I will also be attempting to record sessions to put online and > > archive. We'll see how that goes. It's a trial run, but I have the > > right software and hardware (including a cute tabletop tripod). > > > > Casey West > > > > -- > > Guide to understanding a net.addict's day: > > Slow day: didn't have much to do, so spent three hours on usenet. > > Busy day: managed to work in three hours of usenet. > > Bad day: barely squeezed in three hours of usenet. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > pgh-pm mailing list > > pgh-pm@pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pgh-pm > _______________________________________________ > pgh-pm mailing list > pgh-pm@pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pgh-pm > Robert Blackwell robert@robertblackwell.com AIM: robertdblackwell Yahoo!: robertblackwell Jabber: robertblackwell@jabber.com http://www.robertblackwell.com Skype: rblackwe From robertblackwell at yahoo.com Wed Mar 9 14:28:53 2005 From: robertblackwell at yahoo.com (Robert Blackwell) Date: Wed Mar 9 14:29:04 2005 Subject: [pgh-pm] March Meeting Tonight In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050309222853.83000.qmail@web54207.mail.yahoo.com> --- Barrie Slaymaker wrote: > We may also have an impromptu demo of using Image::Magick to > upsample screen shots and then feed it to an OCR package, if both Sean > and his laptop are willing. This sounds like it might be more interesting than my little hack I use to do screenshots when I am doing tech support for my mom ... use Win32::Clipboard; $CLIP = Win32::Clipboard(); $CLIP->Empty(); while(1){ $CLIP->WaitForChange(); if( $CLIP->IsBitmap() ) { $image = $CLIP->GetBitmap(); $file_name = $file_number++ . ".bmp"; print $file_name . "\n"; open BITMAP, ">$file_name"; binmode BITMAP; print BITMAP $image; close BITMAP; } } > > - Barrie > > On Wed, Mar 09, 2005 at 12:28:56PM -0500, Casey West wrote: > > Where: Slaymaker Systems on Baum > > [See http://slaysys.com/contact_us.html for details.] > > > > What: Hack Your Mac: Mac::Glue Crash Course > > Casey West will demonstrate the details of automating a mac > > using the Perl bindings. He'll show you how to rip a PRI > > Marketplace real audio stream to mp3. > > Hacking Radio > > Tom Moertel will demonstrate his system for queueing radio. It > > is probably more legal than Caseys. > > make Magazine Give Away > > O'Reilly sent us five free copies. They will be distributed > > some how. > > Food and Drink > > We eat! :-) > > > > I will also be attempting to record sessions to put online and > > archive. We'll see how that goes. It's a trial run, but I have the > > right software and hardware (including a cute tabletop tripod). > > > > Casey West > > > > -- > > Guide to understanding a net.addict's day: > > Slow day: didn't have much to do, so spent three hours on usenet. > > Busy day: managed to work in three hours of usenet. > > Bad day: barely squeezed in three hours of usenet. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > pgh-pm mailing list > > pgh-pm@pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pgh-pm > _______________________________________________ > pgh-pm mailing list > pgh-pm@pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pgh-pm > Robert Blackwell robert@robertblackwell.com AIM: robertdblackwell Yahoo!: robertblackwell Jabber: robertblackwell@jabber.com http://www.robertblackwell.com Skype: rblackwe From casey at geeknest.com Wed Mar 9 15:47:00 2005 From: casey at geeknest.com (Casey West) Date: Wed Mar 9 15:47:21 2005 Subject: [pgh-pm] Leaving for Meeting Message-ID: <20050309234700.GH85643@geeknest.com> I'm leaving from the South Side right now. I may be a little late. Just a heads up. Call 1.724.681.2000 if you need me. Casey West -- Losing a technical argument? Try this: Unfortunately, the license would contaminate our product. From casey at geeknest.com Thu Mar 10 10:47:33 2005 From: casey at geeknest.com (Casey West) Date: Thu Mar 10 10:47:50 2005 Subject: [pgh-pm] Pittsburgh Maps and Controller Conversions Message-ID: <20050310184733.GJ85643@geeknest.com> A few things we discussed over dinner. Here are the links. Detailed maps of Pittsburgh's Communities: http://www.city.pittsburgh.pa.us/cp/maps/pittsburgh.html Converting an NES Controller to USB: http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,29529.0.html Enjoy! Casey West -- Losing a technical argument? Try this: Unfortunately, the license would contaminate our product. From robertblackwell at yahoo.com Thu Mar 10 10:50:14 2005 From: robertblackwell at yahoo.com (Robert Blackwell) Date: Thu Mar 10 10:53:14 2005 Subject: [pgh-pm] Pittsburgh Maps and Controller Conversions In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050310185014.73530.qmail@web54207.mail.yahoo.com> And if you go back in time these maps may help: http://digital.library.pitt.edu/maps/ --- Casey West wrote: > A few things we discussed over dinner. Here are the links. > > Detailed maps of Pittsburgh's Communities: > http://www.city.pittsburgh.pa.us/cp/maps/pittsburgh.html > > Converting an NES Controller to USB: > http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,29529.0.html > > Enjoy! > > Casey West > > -- > Losing a technical argument? Try this: > Unfortunately, the license would contaminate our product. > > _______________________________________________ > pgh-pm mailing list > pgh-pm@pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pgh-pm > Robert Blackwell robert@robertblackwell.com AIM: robertdblackwell Yahoo!: robertblackwell Jabber: robertblackwell@jabber.com http://www.robertblackwell.com Skype: rblackwe From robert at robertblackwell.com Thu Mar 10 11:00:08 2005 From: robert at robertblackwell.com (Robert Blackwell) Date: Thu Mar 10 11:00:27 2005 Subject: [pgh-pm] Turn Your Mac into an Audio Transcriber Message-ID: <20050310190008.13413.qmail@web54210.mail.yahoo.com> Given all the Apple and audio info last night this seems timely. http://digitalmedia.oreilly.com/2005/03/09/transcriber.html Robert Blackwell robert@robertblackwell.com AIM: robertdblackwell Yahoo!: robertblackwell Jabber: robertblackwell@jabber.com http://www.robertblackwell.com Skype: rblackwe From tom at moertel.com Thu Mar 10 11:22:31 2005 From: tom at moertel.com (Tom Moertel) Date: Thu Mar 10 11:22:41 2005 Subject: [pgh-pm] More links: "How to make a fast curry: push/enter vs eval/apply" Message-ID: <42309E77.5070300@moertel.com> Here is the paper that I mentioned in response to Barrie's question about how currying is implemented in functional programming languages: "How to make a fast curry: push/enter vs eval/apply," Simon Marlow and Simon Peyton Jones, Proc. International Conference on Functional Programming, Snowbird, Sept 2004, pp4-15. Abstract: Higher-order languages that encourage currying are implemented using one of two basic evaluation models: push/enter or eval/apply. Implementors use their intuition and qualitative judgements to choose one model or the other. Our goal in this paper is to provide, for the first time, a more substantial basis for this choice, based on our qualitative and quantitative experience of implementing both models in a state-of-the-art compiler for Haskell. Our conclusion is simple, and contradicts our initial intuition: compiled implementations should use eval/apply. http://research.microsoft.com/Users/simonpj/Papers/eval-apply/index.htm Cheers, Tom From robertblackwell at yahoo.com Thu Mar 10 12:32:46 2005 From: robertblackwell at yahoo.com (Robert Blackwell) Date: Thu Mar 10 12:32:56 2005 Subject: [pgh-pm] Still More links: XGrid agent for Unix architectures In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050310203246.59014.qmail@web54210.mail.yahoo.com> XGrid agent for Unix architectures http://unu.novajo.ca/simple/archives/000026.html Here is the Apple link: http://www.apple.com/acg/xgrid/ Robert Blackwell robert@robertblackwell.com AIM: robertdblackwell Yahoo!: robertblackwell Jabber: robertblackwell@jabber.com http://www.robertblackwell.com Skype: rblackwe From robertblackwell at yahoo.com Thu Mar 10 12:42:08 2005 From: robertblackwell at yahoo.com (Robert Blackwell) Date: Thu Mar 10 12:42:20 2005 Subject: [pgh-pm] Still More links:reuse your old palm pda as an lcd display In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050310204209.86088.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com> reuse your old palm pda as an lcd display http://www.hackaday.com/entry/1234000473033962/ --- Robert Blackwell wrote: > XGrid agent for Unix architectures > > http://unu.novajo.ca/simple/archives/000026.html > > Here is the Apple link: > http://www.apple.com/acg/xgrid/ > > Robert Blackwell > robert@robertblackwell.com > AIM: robertdblackwell > Yahoo!: robertblackwell > Jabber: robertblackwell@jabber.com > http://www.robertblackwell.com > Skype: rblackwe > _______________________________________________ > pgh-pm mailing list > pgh-pm@pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pgh-pm > Robert Blackwell robert@robertblackwell.com AIM: robertdblackwell Yahoo!: robertblackwell Jabber: robertblackwell@jabber.com http://www.robertblackwell.com Skype: rblackwe From casey at geeknest.com Fri Mar 11 21:12:32 2005 From: casey at geeknest.com (Casey West) Date: Fri Mar 11 21:12:53 2005 Subject: [pgh-pm] Advice on Cingular Service Message-ID: <20050312051232.GC39762@geeknest.com> I'm going to be switching from Verizon to Cingular service and I had a question for anyone who currently has Cingular. I'm looking into purchasing a tri-band phone. I have the option of triband including the 850 spectrum and triband without it. The former is reported to work better within the US and the latter is reported to work better worldwide. My question is, in Pittsburgh is 850 an important spectrum to have available? Does anyone have any experience with this? Also, I have to consider that I live 30 miles outside of town right now, which is rather rural. Thanks! Casey West -- Shooting yourself in the foot with Pascal Same as Modula-2 except that the bullet is not the right type for the gun and your hand is blown off. From sean at redhandsoftware.com Thu Mar 17 10:41:39 2005 From: sean at redhandsoftware.com (Sean McCune) Date: Thu Mar 17 10:43:50 2005 Subject: [pgh-pm] Off-topic, but interesting idea for Mac Minis Message-ID: <4239CF63.3020100@redhandsoftware.com> Gang, I know this is off-topic, but here's an interesting idea... using a Mac Mini for embedded systems. To make it on topic, I guess then you could use perl in your embedded system created from Mac Mini. http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/power/library/pa-macmini1/?%20ca=dgr-lnxw25MacMiniP1 Later, McC From casey at geeknest.com Thu Mar 17 12:18:36 2005 From: casey at geeknest.com (Casey West) Date: Thu Mar 17 12:19:00 2005 Subject: [pgh-pm] Anyone Interested in ICFP Message-ID: <20050317201836.GA95571@geeknest.com> http://icfpc.plt-scheme.org/ I want to get a team together for this. Here's the deal from my perspective. - I don't know any functional programming languages well enough to enter on my own (But I will learn one of the teams choosing). - Entering on my own sounds dangerous to my health. - I want a team of smart people to help me solve the problem. - It would be fun. - I'm totally committed to driving to YAPC late Sunday night if it takes that long to solve the problem (It probably would.) - I have never entered before but it sounds like a lot of fun. - I am somewhat okay at making espresso based drinks. - I have a whiteboard. - I have a sleeping bag. - I have a very understanding wife. Casey West -- Good Idea: Playing horsey with little sister. Bad Idea: Playing horsey with your aunt Bertha. From tom at moertel.com Fri Mar 18 10:37:38 2005 From: tom at moertel.com (Tom Moertel) Date: Fri Mar 18 10:38:02 2005 Subject: [pgh-pm] Anyone Interested in ICFP In-Reply-To: <20050317201836.GA95571@geeknest.com> References: <20050317201836.GA95571@geeknest.com> Message-ID: <423B1FF2.8030005@moertel.com> Casey West wrote: > http://icfpc.plt-scheme.org/ > > I want to get a team together for this. Cool. > - I don't know any functional programming languages well enough to enter > on my own (But I will learn one of the teams choosing). You don't need to know any FP languages to enter the ICFP programming contest. Any language (or combination of languages) is fine. Perl would be perfectly acceptable. This is *not* to say that learning an FP language would be a bad idea, just that it's not required for the contest. > - Entering on my own sounds dangerous to my health. It is. That's what I did in 2001, and I came close to spontaneous cranial combustion. It's far better to code with a team of fun folks who can moderate one's natural tendencies toward overworking. > - I want a team of smart people to help me solve the problem. If you have the opportunity, have the team code together on a non-trivial project before the contest -- a "code camp" of sorts. (Challenge tasks from past contests would make good projects.) Even smart people can bog one another down if their working styles don't mesh. In the 2003 contest, for example, I worked with a bunch of friends from #haskell and we lost productivity by having to coordinate excessively via IRC in order to compensate for lack of experience as a team. Co-location would be a great help. (On the other hand, in 2003 our team did gain something by having members working in the US, Sweden, and Japan -- round-the-clock coding.) If co-lo isn't practical, a good VoIP system would be the next best thing. > - It would be fun. Absolutely. I would go so far as to recommend *making* fun a requirement: Have everybody agree that the goal of the team is to have fun first and to be competitive second. Otherwise, it's all to easy to lose perspective and stress out. > - I'm totally committed to driving to YAPC late Sunday night if it takes > that long to solve the problem (It probably would.) Yeah, that's a rather unlucky scheduling conflict. Initial contest entries are due 10 AM EDT on the Monday that YAPC starts. Seems there's no way to attend YAPC and not lose a big chunk of time for the ICFP contest. Of course, if fun is the goal more so than competitiveness, this isn't a problem. I would be fine with agreeing to cut the contest time short in order to have a sane YAPC drive. > - I have never entered before but it sounds like a lot of fun. It is fun. Very fun. I highly recommend the contest. For the 2001 contest I kept a journal, which provides a good idea of what the contest "feels" like. Check it out if you want a first-hand perspective: http://www.moertel.com/~thor/icfp2001/ http://www.moertel.com/~thor/icfp2001/log.txt Cheers, Tom From glim at mycybernet.net Sat Mar 19 12:23:00 2005 From: glim at mycybernet.net (glim@mycybernet.net) Date: Sat Mar 19 12:50:56 2005 Subject: [pgh-pm] Yet Another Perl Conference, North America, 2005 Registration now open Message-ID: ----------> Yet Another Perl Conference, North America, 2005 Registration now open. Conference dates: Monday - Wednesday 27 - 29 June 2005 Location: 89 Chestnut Street http://89chestnut.com/ University of Toronto Toronto, Ontario, Canada Info at: http://yapc.org/America Direct registration: http://donate.perlfoundation.org/index.pl?node=registrant%20info&conference_id=423 Full registration fee $85 (USD) Book now for great deals on accommodations and ensure a space for yourself. Speaking slots are still open. If you would like to present at YAPC::NA 2005, see: http://yapc.org/America/cfp-2005.shtml Details of this announcement: http://yapc.org/America/registration-announcement-2005.txt <---------- More Details ============ Registration for YAPC::NA (Yet Another Perl Conference, North America) 2005 in Toronto, Ontario, Canada is now open. The conference registration price is USD$85. This price includes admission to all aspects of the conference, respectable amounts of catering, several activities and a few conference goodies. The YAPC North America 2005 conference features... * Fantastic speakers + most are the core creators of the technology on which they present + many are professional IT authors, trainers and conference speakers * An excellent learning opportunity * A chance to meet Perl professionals from all over North America and the world + YAPC attendees tend to be very involved in Perl and so are another great way to learn more about what the language has to offer beyond just what the speakers have to say * Extra-curricular / after hours activities * A great location in downtown Toronto All this, and the price is more than an order of magnitude cheaper than what commercial conferences can offer. This is because YAPC is a 100% volunteer effort, both from its organizers and its speakers. Quality is *not* sacrificed to achieve this stunning level of affordability. YAPC provides the best value-for-dollar in IT conferences. And it's a ton of fun, too. The dates of the conference are Monday - Wednesday 27-29 June 2005. The location is 89 Chestnut Street in downtown Toronto, Ontario, Canada. (Note that a different date block was previously announced; we moved the conference date to accommodate venue availability.) http://89chestnut.com/ -- a facility within the University of Toronto If you are at all interested in attending the conference... Book now! Book now! Book now! We have room for about 400 attendees and we hope to sell out well in advance of the late June conference date. However, the critical matter is that of hotels. The YAPC::NA 2005 organizers have made group arrangements with several facilities around the city to provide _excellent_ quality accommodations in _very_ convenient locations at _terrific_ prices for the _full_ capacity of conference attendees (around 400 people). (Finding, booking and paying accommodations is the responsibility of the attendees, but we will provide you with a list of the hotels and university dorms to try first based on our group arrangement with them when you register for the conference. Also, see the web site at http://yapc.org/America/accommodations-2005.shtml. More details will be up shortly. The dorm option will be approx. C$55/night, the hotel options will be more like C$90/night, and for slightly different prices there will be options for putting more than 1 person in a room. Exact details and how to book will be emailed directly to people who have registered for the conference as soon as they become available.) *The catch is -- book now!!* The group reservations will expire in early May, at which point in time the group rates will mostly still apply, but the rooms will be given out on an "availability basis". Which means that someone else outside of the YAPC group can book the rooms as well. Make no mistake -- the rooms *will* be sold. Toronto is a very active conference city in the summer and there will be _no_ guarantee of vacancies either at the facilities we made arrangements with or anywhere else in the city if you leave it to within 6 weeks of the conference date. So, if you want to save yourself the likely-fruitless headache of scrambling around looking for accommodations at the last minute, Book now! Book now! Book now! Have any questions? Email na-help@yapc.org for more details. Additionally, we are still welcoming submissions for proposals via: http://yapc.org/America/cfp-2005.shtml The close of the call-for-papers is April 18, 2005 at 11:59 pm (Toronto time). If you have any questions regarding the call-for-papers or speaking at YAPC::NA 2005 please email na-author@yapc.org We would love to hear from potential sponsors. Please contact the organizers at na-sponsor@yapc.org to learn about the benefits of sponsorship. From casey at geeknest.com Wed Mar 23 12:07:51 2005 From: casey at geeknest.com (Casey West) Date: Wed Mar 23 12:08:10 2005 Subject: [pgh-pm] Pugs and Email::Simple Message-ID: <20050323200751.GB33528@geeknest.com> http://svn.perl.org/perl6/pugs/trunk/modules/Email-Simple/lib/Email/Simple.pm I now have a very serious reason to dig into Pugs. I think it would seriously rock to use Perl 6 for the ICFP... Casey West -- Shooting yourself fin the foot with Algol You shoot yourself in the foot with a musket. The musket is aesthetically fascinating, and the wound baffles the adolescent medic in the emergency room. From stigliz at gmail.com Thu Mar 24 14:27:06 2005 From: stigliz at gmail.com (Amedeo Guffanti) Date: Thu Mar 24 14:27:14 2005 Subject: [pgh-pm] Reseach on Open Source Developers Message-ID: Hi, I'm Amedeo Guffanti, a 22 years old Italian student at Bocconi university in Milan, I' m doing a research to write a work about Open Source Movement, in particular, about the developers. 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