From enobacon at gmail.com  Fri Mar  1 02:25:31 2013
From: enobacon at gmail.com (Seven til Seven)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 02:25:31 -0800
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Moe, Moose, Rudolph, Mo, Moo, Mouse, Zeus,
	and Seuss (Perl with Objects aka Perl++)
Message-ID: <201303010225.31974.enobacon@gmail.com>

Hi all,

The March meeting is less than 2 weeks away.  Please add your $0.02 to 
this page if you are planning to take part in the round.

  http://pdx.pm.org/kwiki/?March2013Meeting

Thanks,
Eric
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From jonathan at leto.net  Fri Mar  1 09:55:51 2013
From: jonathan at leto.net (Jonathan "Duke" Leto)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 09:55:51 -0800
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Moe, Moose, Rudolph, Mo, Moo, Mouse, Zeus,
 and Seuss (Perl with Objects aka Perl++)
In-Reply-To: <201303010225.31974.enobacon@gmail.com>
References: <201303010225.31974.enobacon@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABQG1aTa6t80rVvVuf08h=f9z_kQO0Foxd6ef6pVLvMeYyjzzg@mail.gmail.com>

Howdy,

It is 2013. Why isn't this junk part of Perl 5 core yet?

At this rate, Perl 6 will be production-ready by the time I don't have to
add a real object system to Perl 5 via CPAN.

Duke

On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 2:25 AM, Seven til Seven <enobacon at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> The March meeting is less than 2 weeks away.  Please add your $0.02 to
> this page if you are planning to take part in the round.
>
>   http://pdx.pm.org/kwiki/?March2013Meeting
>
> Thanks,
> Eric
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From chromatic at wgz.org  Fri Mar  1 10:13:26 2013
From: chromatic at wgz.org (chromatic)
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2013 10:13:26 -0800
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Moe, Moose, Rudolph, Mo, Moo, Mouse, Zeus,
	and Seuss (Perl with Objects aka Perl++)
In-Reply-To: <CABQG1aTa6t80rVvVuf08h=f9z_kQO0Foxd6ef6pVLvMeYyjzzg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <201303010225.31974.enobacon@gmail.com>
	<CABQG1aTa6t80rVvVuf08h=f9z_kQO0Foxd6ef6pVLvMeYyjzzg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3705261.gqC8i9HP3Q@innerwheel>

On Friday, March 01, 2013 09:55:51 AM Jonathan Duke Leto wrote:

> It is 2013. Why isn't this junk part of Perl 5 core yet?

Ever play Jenga? Blindfolded? In the dark? Over a tank of sharks who've been 
watching cable news? Also, the instructions are in a macro language that's 
only ever accreted over time.
 
> At this rate, Perl 6 will be production-ready by the time I don't have to
> add a real object system to Perl 5 via CPAN.

TPF would probably have to find and fund another couple of full-time 
developers to get the Perl 5 core suitable for this sort of thing. Think a 
year to figure out what has to be done, a year for the XS layer deprecation 
notices, and a year to get it done. That's 5.22 or 5.24.

Will there be a Perl 6 implementation suitable for general deployment by 2016? 
That estimate seems aggressive to me.

-- c

From enobacon at gmail.com  Fri Mar  1 12:20:02 2013
From: enobacon at gmail.com (Eric Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 12:20:02 -0800
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Moe, Moose, Rudolph, Mo, Moo, Mouse, Zeus,
	and Seuss (Perl with Objects aka Perl++)
In-Reply-To: <3705261.gqC8i9HP3Q@innerwheel>
References: <201303010225.31974.enobacon@gmail.com>
	<CABQG1aTa6t80rVvVuf08h=f9z_kQO0Foxd6ef6pVLvMeYyjzzg@mail.gmail.com>
	<3705261.gqC8i9HP3Q@innerwheel>
Message-ID: <201303011220.03040.enobacon@gmail.com>

# from chromatic on Friday 01 March 2013:
>Ever play Jenga? Blindfolded? In the dark? Over a tank of sharks
>who've been  watching cable news? Also, the instructions are in a
>macro language that's only ever accreted over time.
> 
>
>> At this rate, Perl 6 will be production-ready by the time I don't
>> have to add a real object system to Perl 5 via CPAN.

... as sung by the helsinki complaints choir.

Please put it on the kwiki.  If you must fork the kwiki on github, 
please send my fixie a pull request.

--Eric
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From enobacon at gmail.com  Thu Mar  7 21:57:39 2013
From: enobacon at gmail.com (Seven til Seven)
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 21:57:39 -0800
Subject: [Pdx-pm] meeting next Thu:  Moe, Moose, Reindeer, Mo, Moo, Mouse,
	Zeus, and Seuss Throw Down
Message-ID: <201303072157.39108.enobacon@gmail.com>


  Thu. March 14th, 6:53pm at FreeGeek -- 1731 SE 10th Ave.

  http://pdx.pm.org/kwiki/?March2013Meeting

* Mouse vs Moose vs Moo, when to use which?  -- Schwern
* Moose, Mouse, and Moo performance -- Dana Jacobsen
* Zeus and Contradictory.pm -- Eric Wilhelm
* Reindeer -- Chris Weyl
* MOP in the core -- O_o

As usual, the meeting will be followed by social hour at the Lucky Lab 
Brew Pub.
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From ingy at ingy.net  Sat Mar  9 13:39:50 2013
From: ingy at ingy.net (Ingy dot Net)
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2013 13:39:50 -0800
Subject: [Pdx-pm] meeting next Thu: Moe, Moose, Reindeer, Mo, Moo, Mouse,
 Zeus, and Seuss Throw Down
In-Reply-To: <201303072157.39108.enobacon@gmail.com>
References: <201303072157.39108.enobacon@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHJtQJ6i7pob2+KDTEo84SgHYqXcdPZjZ6yo+9Zikosy3gxz-w@mail.gmail.com>

What about Moos and Mousse?!

On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 9:57 PM, Seven til Seven <enobacon at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>   Thu. March 14th, 6:53pm at FreeGeek -- 1731 SE 10th Ave.
>
>   http://pdx.pm.org/kwiki/?March2013Meeting
>
> * Mouse vs Moose vs Moo, when to use which?  -- Schwern
> * Moose, Mouse, and Moo performance -- Dana Jacobsen
> * Zeus and Contradictory.pm -- Eric Wilhelm
> * Reindeer -- Chris Weyl
> * MOP in the core -- O_o
>
> As usual, the meeting will be followed by social hour at the Lucky Lab
> Brew Pub.
> --
> ---------------------------------------------------
>     http://pdx.pm.org
> ---------------------------------------------------
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From cweyl at alumni.drew.edu  Sun Mar 10 13:06:47 2013
From: cweyl at alumni.drew.edu (Chris Weyl)
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 13:06:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Pdx-pm] meeting next Thu: Moe, Moose, Reindeer, Mo, Moo, Mouse,
 Zeus, and Seuss Throw Down
In-Reply-To: <CAHJtQJ6i7pob2+KDTEo84SgHYqXcdPZjZ6yo+9Zikosy3gxz-w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <201303072157.39108.enobacon@gmail.com>
	<CAHJtQJ6i7pob2+KDTEo84SgHYqXcdPZjZ6yo+9Zikosy3gxz-w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1303101259460.27650@zeus>


On Sat, 9 Mar 2013, Ingy dot Net wrote:

> What about Moos and Mousse?!

They may not have champions willing to fight for their honor at this 
meeting ;)

                      -Chris

From enobacon at gmail.com  Sun Mar 10 16:50:11 2013
From: enobacon at gmail.com (Eric Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 16:50:11 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] meeting next Thu: Moe, Moose, Reindeer, Mo, Moo, Mouse,
	Zeus, and Seuss Throw Down
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1303101259460.27650@zeus>
References: <201303072157.39108.enobacon@gmail.com>
	<CAHJtQJ6i7pob2+KDTEo84SgHYqXcdPZjZ6yo+9Zikosy3gxz-w@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.DEB.2.02.1303101259460.27650@zeus>
Message-ID: <201303101650.11205.enobacon@gmail.com>

# from Chris Weyl on Sunday 10 March 2013:
>On Sat, 9 Mar 2013, Ingy dot Net wrote:
>> What about Moos and Mousse?!
>
>They may not have champions willing to fight for their honor at this
>meeting ;)

If only there were some technology where a volunteer could edit the page 
and add an entry for these underdocs.  Help me only-one-kwiki, you're 
our only hope!

--Eric
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From enobacon at gmail.com  Thu Mar 14 00:24:06 2013
From: enobacon at gmail.com (Seven til Seven)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 00:24:06 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] tonight:  Moe, Moose, Reindeer, Mo, Moo, Mouse, Zeus,
	and Seuss Throw Down
Message-ID: <201303140024.06479.enobacon@gmail.com>


  Thu. March 14th, 6:53pm at FreeGeek -- 1731 SE 10th Ave.

  http://pdx.pm.org/kwiki/?March2013Meeting

* Mouse vs Moose vs Moo, when to use which?  -- Schwern
* Moose, Mouse, and Moo performance -- Dana Jacobsen
* Zeus and Contradictory.pm -- Eric Wilhelm
* Reindeer -- Chris Weyl
* MOP in the core -- O_o

As usual, the meeting will be followed by social hour at the Lucky Lab 
Brew Pub.
-- 
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From schwern at pobox.com  Thu Mar 14 01:38:28 2013
From: schwern at pobox.com (Michael G. Schwern)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 01:38:28 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] tonight:  Moe, Moose, Reindeer, Mo, Moo, Mouse, Zeus,
 and Seuss Throw Down
In-Reply-To: <201303140024.06479.enobacon@gmail.com>
References: <201303140024.06479.enobacon@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51418C84.5000500@pobox.com>

On 3/14/13 12:24 AM, Seven til Seven wrote:
> 
>   Thu. March 14th, 6:53pm at FreeGeek -- 1731 SE 10th Ave.
> 
>   http://pdx.pm.org/kwiki/?March2013Meeting
> 
> * Mouse vs Moose vs Moo, when to use which?  -- Schwern
> * Moose, Mouse, and Moo performance -- Dana Jacobsen
> * Zeus and Contradictory.pm -- Eric Wilhelm
> * Reindeer -- Chris Weyl
> * MOP in the core -- O_o

I have a thing at 8pm, could I request being first?  And I'm super
interested in Dana's results, could they be second?

I'd also like to request Dana post a link to their benchmarking code
before the talk starts?  I know I'm going to want to pick it apart
during your talk, so its best if I can do it beforehand. :)


From schwern at pobox.com  Thu Mar 14 16:21:44 2013
From: schwern at pobox.com (Michael G. Schwern)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 16:21:44 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] tonight: Moe, Moose, Reindeer, Mo, Moo, Mouse, Zeus,
 and Seuss Throw Down
In-Reply-To: <CAEiHgG=euNvKtU-6T=7d+pAjn2NsmTV+SN0Mm8AEqgbBLYLhXA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <201303140024.06479.enobacon@gmail.com>
	<51418C84.5000500@pobox.com>
	<CAEiHgG=euNvKtU-6T=7d+pAjn2NsmTV+SN0Mm8AEqgbBLYLhXA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51425B88.6030008@pobox.com>

Thanks for making the deck available.  Flipping through the slide deck,
the last two slides are the really interesting ones for me ("XS" and
"MOO+XS") but short on details.  Its not clear to me...

* What's being benchmarked
* What changes happened between Data::BitStream and Data::BitStream::XS
* How those changes relate to Mo*
* What the difference is between the XS & Moo+XS benchmarks

Could you link to the benchmarking code, maybe put it on
gist.github.com, and also what the Moo+XS code is?  I have lots of
questions, I'd like to pre-process them.

Thanks
Schwern

From ajsavige at yahoo.com.au  Fri Mar 15 02:26:54 2013
From: ajsavige at yahoo.com.au (Andrew Savige)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 02:26:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Pdx-pm] FW: 3/15/2013 10:26:54 AM
Message-ID: <1363339614.71092.YahooMailNeo@web160102.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>


http://www.debtreliefseminar.com/pdlvfru/nwqhd/rjt/yijw/rek 



 3/15/2013 10:26:54 AM .


Andrew Savige
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From nick at ccl4.org  Fri Mar 15 02:40:00 2013
From: nick at ccl4.org (Nicholas Clark)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 09:40:00 +0000
Subject: [Pdx-pm] FW: 3/15/2013 10:26:54 AM
In-Reply-To: <1363339614.71092.YahooMailNeo@web160102.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <1363339614.71092.YahooMailNeo@web160102.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
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> http://www.debtreliefseminar.com/


 and then this bit:               pdlvfru/nwqhd/rjt/yijw/rek

which in lynx looks like a page from a news site, completely unrelated to
the top of the site it's served from. I'm sure it has some interesting
payloads for more "featureful" browsers.


So, yet another way found to breach Yahoo! accounts, and besmirch the
names of innocent end users, while attempting to hijack their friends?

:-(

Nicholas Clark

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From saj_pdx-pm at thecommune.net  Mon Mar 18 10:22:24 2013
From: saj_pdx-pm at thecommune.net (Stuart Johnston)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 12:22:24 -0500
Subject: [Pdx-pm] tonight:  Moe, Moose, Reindeer, Mo, Moo, Mouse, Zeus,
 and Seuss Throw Down
In-Reply-To: <201303140024.06479.enobacon@gmail.com>
References: <201303140024.06479.enobacon@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51474D50.9070607@thecommune.net>

So, who won?

Is there an audio recording and where can I download it?


On 3/14/2013 2:24 AM, Seven til Seven wrote:
>
>    Thu. March 14th, 6:53pm at FreeGeek -- 1731 SE 10th Ave.
>
>    http://pdx.pm.org/kwiki/?March2013Meeting
>
> * Mouse vs Moose vs Moo, when to use which?  -- Schwern
> * Moose, Mouse, and Moo performance -- Dana Jacobsen
> * Zeus and Contradictory.pm -- Eric Wilhelm
> * Reindeer -- Chris Weyl
> * MOP in the core -- O_o
>
> As usual, the meeting will be followed by social hour at the Lucky Lab
> Brew Pub.
>


From ben.hengst at gmail.com  Mon Mar 18 11:10:23 2013
From: ben.hengst at gmail.com (benh)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 11:10:23 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] tonight: Moe, Moose, Reindeer, Mo, Moo, Mouse, Zeus,
 and Seuss Throw Down
In-Reply-To: <51474D50.9070607@thecommune.net>
References: <201303140024.06479.enobacon@gmail.com>
	<51474D50.9070607@thecommune.net>
Message-ID: <CAAikAbw0GJEjdf1NxysN2rJ5N=R=CXjot_QNxTpRkrSXNs0v0A@mail.gmail.com>

I think that we had a recording failure but the consensus kinda boiled
down like this:

  Moose popular but a little bit slow when it comes to run time
  Mouse fast runtime and easy to transition to Moose if needed but not
capable of interop with Moose
  Moo interop with Moose but slow both in run time and developer time
due to missing features

On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Stuart Johnston
<saj_pdx-pm at thecommune.net> wrote:
> So, who won?
>
> Is there an audio recording and where can I download it?
>
>
>
> On 3/14/2013 2:24 AM, Seven til Seven wrote:
>>
>>
>>    Thu. March 14th, 6:53pm at FreeGeek -- 1731 SE 10th Ave.
>>
>>    http://pdx.pm.org/kwiki/?March2013Meeting
>>
>> * Mouse vs Moose vs Moo, when to use which?  -- Schwern
>> * Moose, Mouse, and Moo performance -- Dana Jacobsen
>> * Zeus and Contradictory.pm -- Eric Wilhelm
>> * Reindeer -- Chris Weyl
>> * MOP in the core -- O_o
>>
>> As usual, the meeting will be followed by social hour at the Lucky Lab
>> Brew Pub.
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Pdx-pm-list mailing list
> Pdx-pm-list at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pdx-pm-list



--
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Stability is not a Regression.

From schwern at pobox.com  Mon Mar 18 12:56:45 2013
From: schwern at pobox.com (Michael G. Schwern)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 12:56:45 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] tonight: Moe, Moose, Reindeer, Mo, Moo, Mouse, Zeus,
 and Seuss Throw Down
In-Reply-To: <CAAikAbw0GJEjdf1NxysN2rJ5N=R=CXjot_QNxTpRkrSXNs0v0A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <201303140024.06479.enobacon@gmail.com>
	<51474D50.9070607@thecommune.net>
	<CAAikAbw0GJEjdf1NxysN2rJ5N=R=CXjot_QNxTpRkrSXNs0v0A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5147717D.2030204@pobox.com>

On 3/18/13 11:10 AM, benh wrote:
> I think that we had a recording failure but the consensus kinda boiled
> down like this:
> 
>   Moose popular but a little bit slow when it comes to run time
>   Mouse fast runtime and easy to transition to Moose if needed but not
> capable of interop with Moose
>   Moo interop with Moose but slow both in run time and developer time
> due to missing features

I approve this summary. :)

"interop" means that Moo can subclass Moose classes and vice-versa.  And
Moo can consume Moose roles and (I think) vice-versa.  Mouse and Moose
have incompatible meta systems and don't talk to each other.

I'd also say that of the three of them, Moo is being the most rapidly
developed at the moment, in part because it has a lot of catching up to
do.  Mouse is a strict subset of Moose and focuses on bugs, Moose
compatibility and speed.

From ben.hengst at gmail.com  Mon Mar 18 13:37:49 2013
From: ben.hengst at gmail.com (benh)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 13:37:49 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] tonight: Moe, Moose, Reindeer, Mo, Moo, Mouse, Zeus,
 and Seuss Throw Down
In-Reply-To: <5147717D.2030204@pobox.com>
References: <201303140024.06479.enobacon@gmail.com>
	<51474D50.9070607@thecommune.net>
	<CAAikAbw0GJEjdf1NxysN2rJ5N=R=CXjot_QNxTpRkrSXNs0v0A@mail.gmail.com>
	<5147717D.2030204@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <CAAikAbwTwDyDmw-E=6wytZ+dSu9K3pTQ5v+KysD1zszGfbbAYQ@mail.gmail.com>

Speaking of heavy development:

1.1 has been minted: http://shadow.cat/blog/matt-s-trout/moo-one-point-one/
Here's the summary from the repo:
http://git.shadowcat.co.uk/gitweb/gitweb.cgi?p=gitmo/Moo.git;a=summary

On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 12:56 PM, Michael G. Schwern <schwern at pobox.com> wrote:
> On 3/18/13 11:10 AM, benh wrote:
>> I think that we had a recording failure but the consensus kinda boiled
>> down like this:
>>
>>   Moose popular but a little bit slow when it comes to run time
>>   Mouse fast runtime and easy to transition to Moose if needed but not
>> capable of interop with Moose
>>   Moo interop with Moose but slow both in run time and developer time
>> due to missing features
>
> I approve this summary. :)
>
> "interop" means that Moo can subclass Moose classes and vice-versa.  And
> Moo can consume Moose roles and (I think) vice-versa.  Mouse and Moose
> have incompatible meta systems and don't talk to each other.
>
> I'd also say that of the three of them, Moo is being the most rapidly
> developed at the moment, in part because it has a lot of catching up to
> do.  Mouse is a strict subset of Moose and focuses on bugs, Moose
> compatibility and speed.
> _______________________________________________
> Pdx-pm-list mailing list
> Pdx-pm-list at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pdx-pm-list



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From enobacon at gmail.com  Thu Mar 21 23:21:03 2013
From: enobacon at gmail.com (Eric Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 23:21:03 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] April meeting?
Message-ID: <201303212321.03698.enobacon@gmail.com>

Hi all,

Who wants to give a presentation in April?  Got an osbridge talk 
proposal done yet?  I would like to get a plan in place by next 
Thursday.  If there's any interest, I might be able to do a live demo 
with twiggy+AnyEvent.

--Eric
-- 
---------------------------------------------------
    http://scratchcomputing.com
---------------------------------------------------

From aj at ohess.org  Sat Mar 23 23:42:18 2013
From: aj at ohess.org (Anthony Johnson)
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 23:42:18 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] April meeting?
In-Reply-To: <201303212321.03698.enobacon@gmail.com>
References: <201303212321.03698.enobacon@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20130324064218.GA11960@a.mx>

If no other topics come up, I could piggy back on that and contribute
a demo of sorts on PSGI +/- AnyEvent + SockJS/PocketIO -- I was
considering putting together something similar for Bar Camp next
weekend.

AJ

On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 11:21:03PM -0700, Eric Wilhelm wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Who wants to give a presentation in April?  Got an osbridge talk 
> proposal done yet?  I would like to get a plan in place by next 
> Thursday.  If there's any interest, I might be able to do a live demo 
> with twiggy+AnyEvent.
> 
> --Eric
> -- 
> ---------------------------------------------------
>     http://scratchcomputing.com
> ---------------------------------------------------
> _______________________________________________
> Pdx-pm-list mailing list
> Pdx-pm-list at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pdx-pm-list

-- 
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http://ohess.org

From jonathan at leto.net  Mon Mar 25 10:50:17 2013
From: jonathan at leto.net (Jonathan "Duke" Leto)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 10:50:17 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] April meeting?
In-Reply-To: <20130324064218.GA11960@a.mx>
References: <201303212321.03698.enobacon@gmail.com>
	<20130324064218.GA11960@a.mx>
Message-ID: <CABQG1aR214JQ0D-dmHbm=XVLC1C9Uxm0DkC_fNtGtwzaTvKeZQ@mail.gmail.com>

Howdy,

AJ, can you give us some background on SockJS/PocketIO. I've never heard of
or used them before.

Duke

On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 11:42 PM, Anthony Johnson <aj at ohess.org> wrote:

> If no other topics come up, I could piggy back on that and contribute
> a demo of sorts on PSGI +/- AnyEvent + SockJS/PocketIO -- I was
> considering putting together something similar for Bar Camp next
> weekend.
>
> AJ
>
> On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 11:21:03PM -0700, Eric Wilhelm wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Who wants to give a presentation in April?  Got an osbridge talk
> > proposal done yet?  I would like to get a plan in place by next
> > Thursday.  If there's any interest, I might be able to do a live demo
> > with twiggy+AnyEvent.
> >
> > --Eric
> > --
> > ---------------------------------------------------
> >     http://scratchcomputing.com
> > ---------------------------------------------------
> > _______________________________________________
> > Pdx-pm-list mailing list
> > Pdx-pm-list at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pdx-pm-list
>
> --
> Anthony Johnson
> http://ohess.org
> _______________________________________________
> Pdx-pm-list mailing list
> Pdx-pm-list at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pdx-pm-list
>



-- 
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From aj at ohess.org  Mon Mar 25 14:07:30 2013
From: aj at ohess.org (Anthony Johnson)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 14:07:30 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] April meeting?
In-Reply-To: <CABQG1aR214JQ0D-dmHbm=XVLC1C9Uxm0DkC_fNtGtwzaTvKeZQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <201303212321.03698.enobacon@gmail.com>
	<20130324064218.GA11960@a.mx>
	<CABQG1aR214JQ0D-dmHbm=XVLC1C9Uxm0DkC_fNtGtwzaTvKeZQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20130325210730.GA14970@a.mx>

Sure -- in Perl, SockJS[1] and PocketIO[2] are middleware applications for
providing websocket servers. Sock.js and socket.io, respectively, are the
JS libraries that provide cross-browser websocket, or websocket like,
connections to the middleware.

1: https://github.com/vti/sockjs-perl
2: https://github.com/vti/pocketio

AJ

On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 10:50:17AM -0700, Jonathan "Duke" Leto wrote:
> Howdy,
> 
> AJ, can you give us some background on SockJS/PocketIO. I've never heard of
> or used them before.
> 
> Duke
> 
> On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 11:42 PM, Anthony Johnson <aj at ohess.org> wrote:
> 
> > If no other topics come up, I could piggy back on that and contribute
> > a demo of sorts on PSGI +/- AnyEvent + SockJS/PocketIO -- I was
> > considering putting together something similar for Bar Camp next
> > weekend.
> >
> > AJ
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 11:21:03PM -0700, Eric Wilhelm wrote:
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > Who wants to give a presentation in April?  Got an osbridge talk
> > > proposal done yet?  I would like to get a plan in place by next
> > > Thursday.  If there's any interest, I might be able to do a live demo
> > > with twiggy+AnyEvent.
> > >
> > > --Eric
> > > --
> > > ---------------------------------------------------
> > >     http://scratchcomputing.com
> > > ---------------------------------------------------
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Pdx-pm-list mailing list
> > > Pdx-pm-list at pm.org
> > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pdx-pm-list
> >
> > --
> > Anthony Johnson
> > http://ohess.org
> > _______________________________________________
> > Pdx-pm-list mailing list
> > Pdx-pm-list at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pdx-pm-list
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Jonathan "Duke" Leto <jonathan at leto.net>
> Leto Labs LLC http://labs.leto.net
> 209.691.DUKE http://dukeleto.pl

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From enobacon at gmail.com  Thu Mar 28 17:31:48 2013
From: enobacon at gmail.com (Seven til Seven)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 17:31:48 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] April meeting in 2 weeks: Twiggy/PSGI +/- AnyEvent +
	SockJS/PocketIO
Message-ID: <201303281731.48277.enobacon@gmail.com>

  Thu. April 11th, 6:53pm at FreeGeek -- 1731 SE 10th Ave.

speaker: Eric Wilhelm and Anthony Johnson

We will have an overview and demonstration of async and event-driven web 
applications and websockets with Perl.

As usual, the meeting will be followed by social hour at the Lucky Lab 
Brew Pub.
-- 
---------------------------------------------------
    http://pdx.pm.org
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From schwern at pobox.com  Sun Mar 31 18:13:23 2013
From: schwern at pobox.com (Michael G Schwern)
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 20:13:23 -0500
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Fwd: YAPC::NA Updates - Call for speakers and Payment links
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