From cweyl at alumni.drew.edu  Wed Apr  4 19:46:14 2012
From: cweyl at alumni.drew.edu (Chris Weyl)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 19:46:14 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] YAPC::NA -- anyone else going?
Message-ID: <CABSyATGDYg6GTYdS0zHPOADBQBSSk=DmGrNbX2QwPkxHq0Vm1w@mail.gmail.com>

Hey all --

So, for the first time in the last 5 years the stars have aligned in
such a fashion as to allow me to attend YAPC::NA -- not that I have
much choice, Madison being one of my partner's very favourite cities
:)  Is anyone else going?  I'd love to know a few faces/people there
from the get go.

                                                 -Chris

-- 
Chris Weyl
Ex astris scientia

From enobacon at gmail.com  Thu Apr  5 00:27:45 2012
From: enobacon at gmail.com (Eric Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 00:27:45 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Web Framework Panel -- April meeting next Thursday
Message-ID: <201204050027.45572.enobacon@gmail.com>

Hi All,

We discussed this on IRC, but we need more volunteers for the panel 
and/or we could have more of a round-table.

The panel will look at the developments in web frameworks over the last 
few years, in particular: looking at what has been made possible by 
Plack/PSGI vs the models of running directly on CGI/FCGI/mod_perl and 
how new frameworks have taken advantage of this.  There may be 
questions about templates, deployment, middleware, or some fundamentals 
about how all of this fits into HTTP.

 Ben:      dancer
 Clay:     converting CGIs to Plack apps
 Jonathan: mason as your dancer templates
 Rob:      starman and Plack

Please chime in if you have some experience to contribute or would like 
to pose a question for the discussion.

Can anyone talk about recent developments with Catalyst and how that has 
changed with Plack?  Other frameworks?  Continuations?  Will just 
saying that Jonathan and Rob are coming to the meeting make it so?

Also at this month's meeting, we will have a raffle for a free ticket to 
OSBridge.

Thanks,
Eric
-- 
"Insert random misquote here"
---------------------------------------------------
    http://scratchcomputing.com
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From andy at petdance.com  Thu Apr  5 05:20:37 2012
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 07:20:37 -0500
Subject: [Pdx-pm] YAPC::NA -- anyone else going?
In-Reply-To: <CABSyATGDYg6GTYdS0zHPOADBQBSSk=DmGrNbX2QwPkxHq0Vm1w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABSyATGDYg6GTYdS0zHPOADBQBSSk=DmGrNbX2QwPkxHq0Vm1w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <804776CE-B1DD-442D-A6C3-384B91D6DD9E@petdance.com>


On Apr 4, 2012, at 9:46 PM, Chris Weyl wrote:

> So, for the first time in the last 5 years the stars have aligned in
> such a fashion as to allow me to attend YAPC::NA -- not that I have
> much choice, Madison being one of my partner's very favourite cities
> :)  Is anyone else going?  I'd love to know a few faces/people there
> from the get go.


I'm going, but I only live 2 hours away. :-)

It sounds like it's going to be great.  I've been to a couple of the planning meetings there is some swell stuff cooked up.

If you're not following http://blog.yapcna.org/, do so.  JT has a blog post every day about what's being planned.

xoa

--
Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance

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From ingy at ingy.net  Thu Apr  5 08:12:57 2012
From: ingy at ingy.net (Ingy dot Net)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 08:12:57 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] YAPC::NA -- anyone else going?
In-Reply-To: <804776CE-B1DD-442D-A6C3-384B91D6DD9E@petdance.com>
References: <CABSyATGDYg6GTYdS0zHPOADBQBSSk=DmGrNbX2QwPkxHq0Vm1w@mail.gmail.com>
	<804776CE-B1DD-442D-A6C3-384B91D6DD9E@petdance.com>
Message-ID: <CAHJtQJ4ozOmmvh2-zSJUDyakVKFuAHzzUnPZBSNmm5gxkaPwYg@mail.gmail.com>

I(ngy) will be there.

On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 5:20 AM, Andy Lester <andy at petdance.com> wrote:

>
> On Apr 4, 2012, at 9:46 PM, Chris Weyl wrote:
>
> So, for the first time in the last 5 years the stars have aligned in
> such a fashion as to allow me to attend YAPC::NA -- not that I have
> much choice, Madison being one of my partner's very favourite cities
> :)  Is anyone else going?  I'd love to know a few faces/people there
> from the get go.
>
>
> I'm going, but I only live 2 hours away. :-)
>
> It sounds like it's going to be great.  I've been to a couple of the
> planning meetings there is some swell stuff cooked up.
>
> If you're not following http://blog.yapcna.org/, do so.  JT has a blog
> post every day about what's being planned.
>
> xoa
>
> --
> Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From merlyn at stonehenge.com  Thu Apr  5 10:23:02 2012
From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz)
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2012 10:23:02 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] YAPC::NA -- anyone else going?
In-Reply-To: <CABSyATGDYg6GTYdS0zHPOADBQBSSk=DmGrNbX2QwPkxHq0Vm1w@mail.gmail.com>
	(Chris Weyl's message of "Wed, 4 Apr 2012 19:46:14 -0700")
References: <CABSyATGDYg6GTYdS0zHPOADBQBSSk=DmGrNbX2QwPkxHq0Vm1w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <86d37mqeix.fsf@red.stonehenge.com>

>>>>> "Chris" == Chris Weyl <cweyl at alumni.drew.edu> writes:

Chris> Hey all --
Chris> So, for the first time in the last 5 years the stars have aligned in
Chris> such a fashion as to allow me to attend YAPC::NA -- not that I have
Chris> much choice, Madison being one of my partner's very favourite cities
Chris> :)  Is anyone else going?  I'd love to know a few faces/people there
Chris> from the get go.

I'm presenting a 2-hour workshop on Git.

-- 
Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095
<merlyn at stonehenge.com> <URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/>
Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc.
See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion

From ben.hengst at gmail.com  Tue Apr 10 01:16:52 2012
From: ben.hengst at gmail.com (benh)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 01:16:52 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Web Framework Panel -- April meeting next Thursday
In-Reply-To: <201204050027.45572.enobacon@gmail.com>
References: <201204050027.45572.enobacon@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAikAbz9czBRPhC=Vo=uHTg9w=K+UPGJnhN2fJswTBDi3U+Jog@mail.gmail.com>

It's going to be an interesting panel as everything listed thus far is
really just a matter of the skin you want around your plack app.

On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 00:27, Eric Wilhelm <enobacon at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> We discussed this on IRC, but we need more volunteers for the panel
> and/or we could have more of a round-table.
>
> The panel will look at the developments in web frameworks over the last
> few years, in particular: looking at what has been made possible by
> Plack/PSGI vs the models of running directly on CGI/FCGI/mod_perl and
> how new frameworks have taken advantage of this. ?There may be
> questions about templates, deployment, middleware, or some fundamentals
> about how all of this fits into HTTP.
>
> ?Ben: ? ? ?dancer
> ?Clay: ? ? converting CGIs to Plack apps
> ?Jonathan: mason as your dancer templates
> ?Rob: ? ? ?starman and Plack
>
> Please chime in if you have some experience to contribute or would like
> to pose a question for the discussion.
>
> Can anyone talk about recent developments with Catalyst and how that has
> changed with Plack? ?Other frameworks? ?Continuations? ?Will just
> saying that Jonathan and Rob are coming to the meeting make it so?
>
> Also at this month's meeting, we will have a raffle for a free ticket to
> OSBridge.
>
> Thanks,
> Eric
> --
> "Insert random misquote here"
> ---------------------------------------------------
> ? ?http://scratchcomputing.com
> ---------------------------------------------------
> _______________________________________________
> Pdx-pm-list mailing list
> Pdx-pm-list at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pdx-pm-list



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http://about.notbenh.info

From michael at jamhome.us  Tue Apr 10 02:48:40 2012
From: michael at jamhome.us (Michael Rasmussen)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 02:48:40 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Web Framework Panel -- April meeting next Thursday
In-Reply-To: <CAAikAbz9czBRPhC=Vo=uHTg9w=K+UPGJnhN2fJswTBDi3U+Jog@mail.gmail.com>
References: <201204050027.45572.enobacon@gmail.com>
	<CAAikAbz9czBRPhC=Vo=uHTg9w=K+UPGJnhN2fJswTBDi3U+Jog@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20120410094840.GA15617@jamhome.us>

On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 01:16:52AM -0700, benh wrote:
> It's going to be an interesting panel as everything listed thus far is
> really just a matter of the skin you want around your plack app.

It's noteable that among the proposed talks for the Open Source Bridge conference 
(here in Portland, June 26-29) web framework talks don't include plack or other Perl solutions.
http://opensourcebridge.org/events/2012/proposals

Instead:

Stack up the Stacks: a Comparison of Modern Web Development Tools.
Comparing RoR, Node.js, Django, Lift, and Spring MVC in code.

Dear Lazyconference, let's talk about your favorite web application framework.
Me: experienced Symfony 1 developer trying to decide whether to make the jump to Symfony 2 or to another web application
framework. You: opinionated and passionate users of other MVC-style frameworks. Together we'll form an impromptu
un-panel to compare and contrast our toolkits.

Production ready web services with Dropwizard
Dropwizard is a Java framework for developing ops-friendly, high-performance, RESTful web services. Learn how to build
your first Dropwizard service.

Building a Native Drupal CRM [description snipped]

Data-driven interfaces on the web using Clojure
C2: A declarative visualization library written in Clojure for building interactive, data-driven interfaces on the web

Cooking with wok
Making a website is easier than ever, but tools like Wordpress, Drupal, and Blogger are often overkill for the simple
sites that we want to make. Dynamic sites require resources on every page load, and most of the time the extra efforts
are wasted since the site doesn?t change very often. To solve this problem, tools like Jekyll, Hyde, and Nanoc,

Building Web Apps with Clojure
Get ready for a whirlwind tour of the current Clojure ecosystem of web app technologies. This talk will demonstrate how
fast, responsive apps can be built on this up-and-coming functional language, which is based on Lisp and runs on the
JVM.providing tools like templates and formatting. This session is about wok, a static generator I stated created because I
didn?t like the style of the currently available tools.

Mongoose: making Nodejs web apps easier
Walk with me through the design decisions behind Mongoose, and see how it makes data-modeling a breeze

Why you need to host 100 new wikis just for yourself.
The Federated Wiki offers a new form of conversation well suited for charting our collective future.
(implementations are in Java varients and Ruby)


Not web framework specific, but of interest
Internationalization @Wikipedia: Helping add the next billion web users
This presentation is about open source internationalization (i18n) tools and technologies that are being developed and
rolled out to support 284 languages for Wikipedia communities that enable millions of users to read and edit Wikipedia
content with open source IMEs and web fonts.


And there may be more that my early am search is missing.

It's not that Perl presentations are absent:

Programming in the Future
How does programming change and what will it be like in 25 years when you take your flying car to the office? Do the
past 25 years of Perl give us enough perspective to see 25 years into the future? We'll look at recent progress, new
features, and see how you can use a deeper knowledge of the inner workings to revolutionize your approach solving
problems today.

ng the ideas together, a whirlwind tour of Modern Perl
Modern Perl is awesome. You can do amazing things and get stuff done with so much less code than before. You can turn
this: say join(" ", reverse(split(" ", $string))); into $string->split(" ")->reverse->join(" ")->say; If you've ever
written in Perl and found it not to your taste, or used to use Perl but now use something else, come to this talk to see
if Perl in 2012 is something you can get excited about again.

Don't fear unicode
Unicode isn?t new, but it still seems hard when your starting at the beginning and haven?t even been told the difference
between a glyph, a codepoint, a character and a byte. Every year there are talks and tutorials at conferences about it,
but if you haven?t grasped the basics, you can feel frustrated and lost much too quickly. This talk will cover the
essentials of Unicode, locale and how they affect things like regular expressions, reading and writing files, passing
unicode and out of databases and sending it out to the world. Perl will be the programming language used to demonstrate
these ideas, but much of the content should be accessible to all programmers.






> On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 00:27, Eric Wilhelm <enobacon at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > We discussed this on IRC, but we need more volunteers for the panel
> > and/or we could have more of a round-table.
> >
> > The panel will look at the developments in web frameworks over the last
> > few years, in particular: looking at what has been made possible by
> > Plack/PSGI vs the models of running directly on CGI/FCGI/mod_perl and
> > how new frameworks have taken advantage of this. ?There may be
> > questions about templates, deployment, middleware, or some fundamentals
> > about how all of this fits into HTTP.
> >
> > ?Ben: ? ? ?dancer
> > ?Clay: ? ? converting CGIs to Plack apps
> > ?Jonathan: mason as your dancer templates
> > ?Rob: ? ? ?starman and Plack
> >
> > Please chime in if you have some experience to contribute or would like
> > to pose a question for the discussion.
> >
> > Can anyone talk about recent developments with Catalyst and how that has
> > changed with Plack? ?Other frameworks? ?Continuations? ?Will just
> > saying that Jonathan and Rob are coming to the meeting make it so?
> >
> > Also at this month's meeting, we will have a raffle for a free ticket to
> > OSBridge.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Eric
> > --
> > "Insert random misquote here"
> > ---------------------------------------------------
> > ? ?http://scratchcomputing.com
> > ---------------------------------------------------
> > _______________________________________________
> > Pdx-pm-list mailing list
> > Pdx-pm-list at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pdx-pm-list
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> benh~
> 
> http://about.notbenh.info
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You will be remembered as much for how you leave as for what you accomplished.
    ~ Adam Shand

From enobacon at gmail.com  Wed Apr 11 09:41:45 2012
From: enobacon at gmail.com (Seven till Seven)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 09:41:45 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] tomorrow:  Modern Web Frameworks Panel
Message-ID: <201204110941.46136.enobacon@gmail.com>

  Thu. April 12th, 6:53pm at FreeGeek ? 1731 SE 10th Ave.
 
This informal panel / round-table discussion will review and demonstrate 
what has changed over the last few years since Plack has become the 
leading deployment/glue technology for Perl web applications. 

While Plack/PSGI is a vastly more flexible, maintainable, deployable, 
and scalable model than CGI, in many ways it is a back-to-basics 
simplification of the ways in which code and servers interact. It has 
also led to new web frameworks which allow you to forget about all of 
those fundamental details. We'll try to look at the overall picture, 
plus specific examples and discuss use cases and migration experiences.

Panel members: 
  Ben: Dancer demo 
  Joshua: a second person to answer Dancer questions 
  Clay: CGI to Plack conversion 
  Eric: server options for testing and deployment

As usual, the meeting will be followed by social hour at the Lucky Lab.
-- 

        http://pdx.pm.org

From enobacon at gmail.com  Wed Apr 11 10:25:27 2012
From: enobacon at gmail.com (Eric Wilhelm)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 10:25:27 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] win a free pass to Open Source Bridge
Message-ID: <201204111025.27991.enobacon@gmail.com>

Hi All,

At tomorrow's meeting, we'll have a raffle for a free conference pass.  
You must be present to enter and/or win.

Also note the user-group discount code: "osbugluv".

###

Open Source Bridge is a volunteer-run conference for people who work 
with open source technologies. It will take place June 26?29, 2012, in 
Portland, Oregon. The conference includes five tracks focused on 
connecting projects and experiences across different areas of open 
source.

The schedule includes three days of traditional conference 
presentations, a day of free-form unconference sessions, and our 
vibrant Hacker Lounge, a space for socializing and collaboration. 
You'll find relevant sessions and activities whether you write web 
apps, tinker with operating system internals, create hardware, run a 
business, write documentation, or contribute to open source in other 
ways.

As a user group member, you can use the coupon code "osbugluv" to 
register at a discounted rate of $200 when you select Regular 
Registration (that's $100 off). You can register at 
http://opensourcebridge.org/attend/

Visit http://opensourcebridge.org/ to learn more about the conference.

From ben.hengst at gmail.com  Wed Apr 11 10:32:15 2012
From: ben.hengst at gmail.com (benh)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 10:32:15 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] tomorrow: Modern Web Frameworks Panel
In-Reply-To: <201204110941.46136.enobacon@gmail.com>
References: <201204110941.46136.enobacon@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAikAbwb=7-mcN9ubyGxMnjd_T7RZJK5nUjTB6OtjBgj_WGd7A@mail.gmail.com>

Seeing as I just got signed up to do a demo as well... what does
everyone want to see?

On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 09:41, Seven till Seven <enobacon at gmail.com> wrote:
> ?Thu. April 12th, 6:53pm at FreeGeek ? 1731 SE 10th Ave.
>
> This informal panel / round-table discussion will review and demonstrate
> what has changed over the last few years since Plack has become the
> leading deployment/glue technology for Perl web applications.
>
> While Plack/PSGI is a vastly more flexible, maintainable, deployable,
> and scalable model than CGI, in many ways it is a back-to-basics
> simplification of the ways in which code and servers interact. It has
> also led to new web frameworks which allow you to forget about all of
> those fundamental details. We'll try to look at the overall picture,
> plus specific examples and discuss use cases and migration experiences.
>
> Panel members:
> ?Ben: Dancer demo
> ?Joshua: a second person to answer Dancer questions
> ?Clay: CGI to Plack conversion
> ?Eric: server options for testing and deployment
>
> As usual, the meeting will be followed by social hour at the Lucky Lab.
> --
>
> ? ? ? ?http://pdx.pm.org
> _______________________________________________
> Pdx-pm-list mailing list
> Pdx-pm-list at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pdx-pm-list



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http://about.notbenh.info

From chromatic at wgz.org  Wed Apr 11 10:35:57 2012
From: chromatic at wgz.org (chromatic)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 10:35:57 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] tomorrow: Modern Web Frameworks Panel
In-Reply-To: <CAAikAbwb=7-mcN9ubyGxMnjd_T7RZJK5nUjTB6OtjBgj_WGd7A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <201204110941.46136.enobacon@gmail.com>
	<CAAikAbwb=7-mcN9ubyGxMnjd_T7RZJK5nUjTB6OtjBgj_WGd7A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201204111035.57836.chromatic@wgz.org>

On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 at 10:32 AM, benh  wrote:

> Seeing as I just got signed up to do a demo as well... what does
> everyone want to see?

REST with Dancer!

-- c

From david at kineticode.com  Wed Apr 11 10:47:08 2012
From: david at kineticode.com (David E. Wheeler)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 10:47:08 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] tomorrow: Modern Web Frameworks Panel
In-Reply-To: <201204111035.57836.chromatic@wgz.org>
References: <201204110941.46136.enobacon@gmail.com>
	<CAAikAbwb=7-mcN9ubyGxMnjd_T7RZJK5nUjTB6OtjBgj_WGd7A@mail.gmail.com>
	<201204111035.57836.chromatic@wgz.org>
Message-ID: <B9EC39FF-5CE7-4E90-A4A0-FBEC3D14158D@kineticode.com>

On Apr 11, 2012, at 10:35 AM, chromatic wrote:

> REST with Dancer!

Sounds boring. Just watching a dancer at rest.

David


From chromatic at wgz.org  Wed Apr 11 10:48:56 2012
From: chromatic at wgz.org (chromatic)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 10:48:56 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] tomorrow: Modern Web Frameworks Panel
In-Reply-To: <B5F0174E-125C-4F42-91B9-A44D79C5E1C4@justatheory.com>
References: <201204110941.46136.enobacon@gmail.com>
	<201204111035.57836.chromatic@wgz.org>
	<B5F0174E-125C-4F42-91B9-A44D79C5E1C4@justatheory.com>
Message-ID: <201204111048.56448.chromatic@wgz.org>

On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 at 10:45 AM, David E wrote:

> Sounds boring. Just watching a dancer at rest.

Depends on the verbs the dancer knows. Maybe he or she can lead us in some sea 
shanties.

-- s

From andrew.clapp at gmail.com  Fri Apr 13 13:32:41 2012
From: andrew.clapp at gmail.com (Andrew Clapp)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 13:32:41 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Package Management
Message-ID: <CAAQZg3NEVoZUdem5d+5hTJPD9ymMQV+nojycoHKjRYr_vSgTxg@mail.gmail.com>

I have had some good and bad experiences with this and I'm wondering
if there's a better way.  I first ran into this when writing code for
some company way back when that just grew and grew and had millions of
dependencies.  Then later while supporting RT (Request Tracker
http://bestpractical.com/rt/), I had to deal with it again.  They
provide an install script that "fixes" your deps, and sometimes it
worked, sometimes it didn't and it seems it was affected mostly by
which OS and version of OS was being installed upon, and how much
other perl hackery had happened there before.  For small to medium
environments, or instances where there are large lists of dependencies
supporting a central thing like imaging software (libjpeg, libpng,
libgif, zlib, etc) I find that using on of the cpan(+/-) tools works
well.  But when you get to a larger system that is under constant
changing demands, there are still problems that creep up that are less
than fun.

Can anyone point me towards a good discussion or good articles on
various solutions to the conflicts that can arise from using both cpan
(including plus and minus) options and linux (rpm, yum, apt) or bsd
options (ports, pkgsrc)?  When you wear both hats as a sysadmin and
developer, it creates obvious conflicts and there must be a good
solution.

-ASC

-- 

Andrew S. Clapp
Aeonic Enterprises

From exodist7 at gmail.com  Fri Apr 13 13:45:24 2012
From: exodist7 at gmail.com (Chad Granum)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 13:45:24 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Package Management
In-Reply-To: <CAAQZg3NEVoZUdem5d+5hTJPD9ymMQV+nojycoHKjRYr_vSgTxg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAQZg3NEVoZUdem5d+5hTJPD9ymMQV+nojycoHKjRYr_vSgTxg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJFr3ksi7kNrArh0o3O-+a=vOtHq5rSfrRB1TA26hGK_H8BSoQ@mail.gmail.com>

I sit very firmly in the camp that your application should use a
different perl install, seperate from the OS version. Many OS's (read:
redhat) ship broken, or restricted perls. If you install your own Perl
you can build it to the default/normal specifications, or add in
custom flags. In addition your modules install to the new perl and do
not conflict with the system perl.

The best way I find to accomplish this is to user perlbrew
(http://github.com/gugod/App-perlbrew)

Use perlbrew to install whatever version of perl you want ot use for
your software. Switch tot he installed perl, use cpan/cpanm to install
deps. Done. I do all my development under perlbrew now.

-Chad

On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 1:32 PM, Andrew Clapp <andrew.clapp at gmail.com> wrote:
> I have had some good and bad experiences with this and I'm wondering
> if there's a better way. ?I first ran into this when writing code for
> some company way back when that just grew and grew and had millions of
> dependencies. ?Then later while supporting RT (Request Tracker
> http://bestpractical.com/rt/), I had to deal with it again. ?They
> provide an install script that "fixes" your deps, and sometimes it
> worked, sometimes it didn't and it seems it was affected mostly by
> which OS and version of OS was being installed upon, and how much
> other perl hackery had happened there before. ?For small to medium
> environments, or instances where there are large lists of dependencies
> supporting a central thing like imaging software (libjpeg, libpng,
> libgif, zlib, etc) I find that using on of the cpan(+/-) tools works
> well. ?But when you get to a larger system that is under constant
> changing demands, there are still problems that creep up that are less
> than fun.
>
> Can anyone point me towards a good discussion or good articles on
> various solutions to the conflicts that can arise from using both cpan
> (including plus and minus) options and linux (rpm, yum, apt) or bsd
> options (ports, pkgsrc)? ?When you wear both hats as a sysadmin and
> developer, it creates obvious conflicts and there must be a good
> solution.
>
> -ASC
>
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From michael at jamhome.us  Fri Apr 13 14:12:38 2012
From: michael at jamhome.us (Michael Rasmussen)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 14:12:38 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Package Management
In-Reply-To: <CAJFr3ksi7kNrArh0o3O-+a=vOtHq5rSfrRB1TA26hGK_H8BSoQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAQZg3NEVoZUdem5d+5hTJPD9ymMQV+nojycoHKjRYr_vSgTxg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJFr3ksi7kNrArh0o3O-+a=vOtHq5rSfrRB1TA26hGK_H8BSoQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0ea88b669e609edd885594c3ea3d18d8@post.michaelsnet.us>

On 2012-04-13 13:45, Chad Granum wrote:
> I sit very firmly in the camp that your application should use a
> different perl install, seperate from the OS version. [snip]
>
> The best way I find to accomplish this is to user perlbrew
> (http://github.com/gugod/App-perlbrew)
>
> Use perlbrew to install whatever version of perl you want to use for
> your software. Switch tot he installed perl, use cpan/cpanm to 
> install
> deps. Done.

What he said.

Plus:  when some other vendor does their installation and installs the 
versions
of whatever that they need your software won't get broken.   This will 
also allow
you to tell your client "we'll co-exist with anything.  No need for a 
dedicated
VM or host."   They'll appreciate that, even if they don't believe you.

-- 
      Michael Rasmussen
    http://www.jamhome.us/
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From kellert at ohsu.edu  Tue Apr 17 22:32:29 2012
From: kellert at ohsu.edu (Tom Keller)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 22:32:29 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] off topic (possibly): web based shared document with
	control
Message-ID: <728060A7-04C1-40EC-9F5D-059D6D2C20A9@ohsu.edu>

 Greetings,
I have a group of people that want to contribute to a document on-line but each person needs to be able to edit only their own section, with read only permission for the parts written by others. Is there a web app that allows that? Obviously, a Perl solution would be best.

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Tom
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From joshua at keroes.com  Wed Apr 18 09:59:26 2012
From: joshua at keroes.com (Joshua Keroes)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 09:59:26 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] off topic (possibly): web based shared document with
	control
In-Reply-To: <728060A7-04C1-40EC-9F5D-059D6D2C20A9@ohsu.edu>
References: <728060A7-04C1-40EC-9F5D-059D6D2C20A9@ohsu.edu>
Message-ID: <CAGPaCZjSbh_Ro9sGZRdanj72jOip4D4-2iRHDrYw=VSKOUtDoQ@mail.gmail.com>

2012/4/17 Tom Keller <kellert at ohsu.edu>

> I have a group of people that want to contribute to a document on-line but
> each person needs to be able to edit only their own section, with read only
> permission for the parts written by others. Is there a web app that allows
> that? Obviously, a Perl solution would be best.
>

Well, there are lots of more permissive models out there. EtherPad was
bought by Google and spawned http://docs.google.com . In the Google Docs
document editor, you'd be able to share a single document with the group
and people could edit in real time. Unfortunately for you, there's no
notion of protected sections. That said, you can color each editor's text
and roll back changes through the integrated version control. Maybe that's
good enough?

There are several Etherpad clones and successors out there. Here's a list:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-27076_3-20004686-248.html . Like Google Docs, I
think they're all more permissive than you've described.

You know... the retired and now read-only Google Wave sort of hits your
requirements. I don't know offhand if there's a current public deployment.

Maybe you want a CMS? That would let you set up the level of control you
need. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_content_management_systems#Perllists
the Perl ones although there hasn't been much development in this
arena lately.

-Joshua
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From sechrest at peak.org  Wed Apr 18 11:21:32 2012
From: sechrest at peak.org (John Sechrest)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 11:21:32 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] off topic (possibly): web based shared document with
	control
In-Reply-To: <CAGPaCZjSbh_Ro9sGZRdanj72jOip4D4-2iRHDrYw=VSKOUtDoQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <728060A7-04C1-40EC-9F5D-059D6D2C20A9@ohsu.edu>
	<CAGPaCZjSbh_Ro9sGZRdanj72jOip4D4-2iRHDrYw=VSKOUtDoQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAJscQP89QS7qh2A7cGyJV1HDCXAf7CFhL1LgZapN7YkPcBXvQ@mail.gmail.com>

This is something you can do in google sites without too much trouble.
It is also something you can do in drupal.
So a CMS makes sense.

The hard part is if you have specific opinions about how the pages are
supposed to work.



2012/4/18 Joshua Keroes <joshua at keroes.com>

>
> 2012/4/17 Tom Keller <kellert at ohsu.edu>
>
>> I have a group of people that want to contribute to a document on-line
>> but each person needs to be able to edit only their own section, with read
>> only permission for the parts written by others. Is there a web app that
>> allows that? Obviously, a Perl solution would be best.
>>
>
> Well, there are lots of more permissive models out there. EtherPad was
> bought by Google and spawned http://docs.google.com . In the Google Docs
> document editor, you'd be able to share a single document with the group
> and people could edit in real time. Unfortunately for you, there's no
> notion of protected sections. That said, you can color each editor's text
> and roll back changes through the integrated version control. Maybe that's
> good enough?
>
> There are several Etherpad clones and successors out there. Here's a list:
> http://news.cnet.com/8301-27076_3-20004686-248.html . Like Google Docs, I
> think they're all more permissive than you've described.
>
> You know... the retired and now read-only Google Wave sort of hits your
> requirements. I don't know offhand if there's a current public deployment.
>
> Maybe you want a CMS? That would let you set up the level of control you
> need. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_content_management_systems#Perllists the Perl ones although there hasn't been much development in this
> arena lately.
>
> -Joshua
>
>
>
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From melissa at fastanimals.com  Wed Apr 18 11:21:58 2012
From: melissa at fastanimals.com (Melissa Hollingsworth)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 11:21:58 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] off topic (possibly): web based shared document with
 control
In-Reply-To: <CAGPaCZjSbh_Ro9sGZRdanj72jOip4D4-2iRHDrYw=VSKOUtDoQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <728060A7-04C1-40EC-9F5D-059D6D2C20A9@ohsu.edu>
	<CAGPaCZjSbh_Ro9sGZRdanj72jOip4D4-2iRHDrYw=VSKOUtDoQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <op.wcy3ywjuoen9tq@satin.mshome.net>

On Wed, 18 Apr 2012 09:59:26 -0700, Joshua Keroes <joshua at keroes.com>  
wrote:

> 2012/4/17 Tom Keller <kellert at ohsu.edu>
>
>> I have a group of people that want to contribute to a document on-line  
>> but
>> each person needs to be able to edit only their own section, with read  
>> only
>> permission for the parts written by others. Is there a web app that  
>> allows
>> that? Obviously, a Perl solution would be best.
>>
>
> Well, there are lots of more permissive models out there. EtherPad was
> bought by Google and spawned http://docs.google.com . In the Google Docs
> document editor, you'd be able to share a single document with the group
> and people could edit in real time. Unfortunately for you, there's no
> notion of protected sections.

Could you simply treat each section as a separate document, with the
section-document read-only for non-owners?  It might not be ideal, but
it would be simpler than rolling your own.

I don't know of any preexisting SAAS which would let you set perms on
parts of one doc in that manner.


-- 
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melissa at fastanimals.com
+1 512 619 1237

From MichaelRWolf at att.net  Wed Apr 25 00:33:12 2012
From: MichaelRWolf at att.net (Michael R. Wolf)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 00:33:12 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Fwd: SPUG: IIS on Windows 7 caching code differently than
	previous version
References: <B4EDA9A9-8D14-4BA8-9F60-12548AE67192@att.net>
Message-ID: <562F9518-CD2D-40FD-9E97-54EA381DF470@att.net>

I originally posted this to SPUG but got no reply.  Since my buddy is in PDX land, perhaps any Perl-ish folks there may understand the IIS/Perl relationship enough to help.  It's much older technology than you bantered around last week at your meeting, but perhaps there's a crufty cubby hole that's got an answer to share.

Summary:  His new Windows machine is caching code that he *wants* to be recompiled at each invocation.  How can he dumb-down the IIS?

Thanks,
Michael

Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Michael R. Wolf" <MichaelRWolf at att.net>
> Subject: SPUG: IIS on Windows 7 caching code differently than previous version
> Date: April 19, 2012 12:02:48 PM PDT
> To: "Spug-List at Pm.Org" <spug-list at pm.org>
> 
> A buddy called me with a Perl question, but we reframed it as an IIS question.
> 
> He's used to using an undeclared, uninitialized global variable (yeah, he knows, but it's old code and he doesn't want to change it) for procedural (that is, not even any objects to maintain state) that gets incremented a couple of times with each call from a web page.  Different web pages call the same code, and they used to get an uninitialized value.  Now (with his recent installation of Windows 7), they remember the value from previous, unrelated web calls as though it's just one big shared global variable across all calls.
> 
> I don't know IIS, but vaguely remember that Apache has a way to compile code once and keep it in core for later use.  Apparently, until this recent install, he was getting behavior that recompiled the code on every call, and therefore started out the counter at undef (acting like 0).  Although it's more "clean" (for some definitions of clean) to do it differently, the sites he has are low volume, and not worth the effort to rewrite and re-debug the behavior across all the users of this module of code (not necessarily a capital-M Module).
> 
> A few questions:
> 1. How to turn off code caching in IIS?
> 2. What search term to use to learn about #1?
> 3. What's the corresponding term in Apache to bootstrap an IIS search?
> 4. If the described behavior seems to fit another diagnosis, what would that be?
> 
> Thanks,
> Michael
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From akf at aracnet.com  Wed Apr 25 01:06:48 2012
From: akf at aracnet.com (Amy K. Farrell)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 01:06:48 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Fwd: SPUG: IIS on Windows 7 caching code differently
 than previous version
In-Reply-To: <562F9518-CD2D-40FD-9E97-54EA381DF470@att.net>
References: <B4EDA9A9-8D14-4BA8-9F60-12548AE67192@att.net>
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Message-ID: <4F97B098.4090700@aracnet.com>

On 04/25/2012 12:33 AM, Michael R. Wolf wrote:
> I originally posted this to SPUG but got no reply.  Since my buddy is in PDX land, perhaps any Perl-ish folks there may understand the IIS/Perl relationship enough to help.  It's much older technology than you bantered around last week at your meeting, but perhaps there's a crufty cubby hole that's got an answer to share.
> 
> Summary:  His new Windows machine is caching code that he *wants* to be recompiled at each invocation.  How can he dumb-down the IIS?

[ ...]

> 3. What's the corresponding term in Apache to bootstrap an IIS search?

That would be mod_perl, or possibly FastCGI. FastCGI didn't get me
anywhere, but these search terms:

    mod_perl IIS "Windows 7"

... led me to this, which looks like a match to the problem and has a
plausible-sounding workaround:

  http://forums.iis.net/p/1188766/2019696.aspx

I have no idea whether mod_perl is actually involved in this case. The
post implies that there is such a thing for IIS.

Good luck!

 - Amy









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Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 13:49:28 -0700
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From jonathan at leto.net  Wed Apr 25 15:11:27 2012
From: jonathan at leto.net (Jonathan "Duke" Leto)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 15:11:27 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] VMware uses Perl
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Howdy,

Recently, somebody leaked some source code of VMware ESX online:

http://blogs.vmware.com/security/2012/04/vmware-security-note.html

An lo and behold, there is Perl in there!

http://pastehtml.com/view/bvqrg0n0y.txt

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From miken at mikenpdx.com  Wed Apr 25 13:10:36 2012
From: miken at mikenpdx.com (miken at mikenpdx.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 20:10:36 +0000
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Fwd: SPUG: IIS on Windows 7 caching code differently
	than previous version
Message-ID: <20120425201036.74096.qmail@mikenpdx.com>

I've been noticing some problematic caching behavior as well on a similar set up documented on that link you provided where I've been running AS Perl 5.14 along with IIS 7.5.  Given that there other installations of sites running a similar web site configuration I'm working on where they were using AS PERL 5.10, my inclination was to back out 5.14 and go to 5.10, but I was told of another IIS setting to check to ensure that caching isn't being done as well. that might also be affecting things.

Go to IIS manager app on your IIS machine and select the appropriate web site you want to have it scoped for and then click on the "Output caching" icon.

You probably have a line in there already with a setting for ".cgi" with User-Mode Policy set to "Prevent all caching" and a Kernel-mode Policy set to "no caching".  Edit this and click on the "Kernel-Mode policy checkbox and set it to "Prevent all caching" as well.  I was given an example that also had this set for ".pl" and ".pm" extensions as well, both with setting all settings to "prevent all caching" too.  I'm going to see if this changes things and if it doesn't revert back to AS PERL 5.10.

- Mike

<br><br><br>------- Original Message -------
On 4/25/2012  08:06 AM Amy K. Farrell wrote:<br>On 04/25/2012 12:33 AM, Michael R. Wolf wrote:
<br>> I originally posted this to SPUG but got no reply.  Since my buddy is in PDX land, perhaps any Perl-ish folks there may understand the IIS/Perl relationship enough to help.  It's much older technology than you bantered around last week at your meeting, but perhaps there's a crufty cubby hole that's got an answer to share.
<br>> 
<br>> Summary:  His new Windows machine is caching code that he *wants* to be recompiled at each invocation.  How can he dumb-down the IIS?
<br>
<br>[ ...]
<br>
<br>> 3. What's the corresponding term in Apache to bootstrap an IIS search?
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<br>That would be mod_perl, or possibly FastCGI. FastCGI didn't get me
<br>anywhere, but these search terms:
<br>
<br>    mod_perl IIS "Windows 7"
<br>
<br>... led me to this, which looks like a match to the problem and has a
<br>plausible-sounding workaround:
<br>
<br>  http://forums.iis.net/p/1188766/2019696.aspx
<br>
<br>I have no idea whether mod_perl is actually involved in this case. The
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