From enobacon at gmail.com Thu Sep 1 17:26:37 2011 From: enobacon at gmail.com (Seven till Seven) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2011 17:26:37 -0700 Subject: [Pdx-pm] NOT changing meeting day to second Thursdays In-Reply-To: <201108240028.36851.enobacon@gmail.com> References: <201108240028.36851.enobacon@gmail.com> Message-ID: <201109011726.37179.enobacon@gmail.com> # from Eric Wilhelm, on Wednesday 24 August 2011: >As discussed at the last meeting, we're planning to change the meeting >day to the second Thursday of the month (making the next meeting on >Sept 8th.) Since I have not gotten any confirmation from Free Geek about making this change and we're now only one week away from the 8th... not ok. Do we want to try to meet on the 14th as-usual, or go for a social meeting this month on the 8th where we try to get organized enough for next month? I'll happily go to the Lucky Lab on both days and you guys can vote by showing up -- vote twice even. Thoughts? Thanks, Eric -- http://pdx.pm.org From brian.kurle at ieee.org Thu Sep 1 18:32:45 2011 From: brian.kurle at ieee.org (Brian Kurle) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2011 18:32:45 -0700 Subject: [Pdx-pm] NOT changing meeting day to second Thursdays In-Reply-To: <201109011726.37179.enobacon@gmail.com> References: <201108240028.36851.enobacon@gmail.com> <201109011726.37179.enobacon@gmail.com> Message-ID: Although I would love to go with the new meeting time, I'm open if we need to defer the change until Free Geek responds. On Sep 1, 2011, at 5:26 PM, Seven till Seven wrote: > # from Eric Wilhelm, on Wednesday 24 August 2011: > >> As discussed at the last meeting, we're planning to change the meeting >> day to the second Thursday of the month (making the next meeting on >> Sept 8th.) > > Since I have not gotten any confirmation from Free Geek about making > this change and we're now only one week away from the 8th... not ok. > > Do we want to try to meet on the 14th as-usual, or go for a social > meeting this month on the 8th where we try to get organized enough for > next month? I'll happily go to the Lucky Lab on both days and you guys > can vote by showing up -- vote twice even. Thoughts? > > Thanks, > Eric > -- > > http://pdx.pm.org > _______________________________________________ > Pdx-pm-list mailing list > Pdx-pm-list at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pdx-pm-list > From enobacon at gmail.com Thu Sep 1 20:10:39 2011 From: enobacon at gmail.com (Seven till Seven) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2011 20:10:39 -0700 Subject: [Pdx-pm] September meeting: vote with your feet (8th and 14th) In-Reply-To: <201109011726.37179.enobacon@gmail.com> References: <201108240028.36851.enobacon@gmail.com> <201109011726.37179.enobacon@gmail.com> Message-ID: <201109012010.39737.enobacon@gmail.com> # from Eric Wilhelm, on Thursday 01 September 2011: ># from Eric Wilhelm, on Wednesday 24 August 2011: >> Second Thursday (Sept 8th)? > Second Wednesday (Sept 14th)? We'll meet at the Lucky Lab at 6:53pm on both days. Whichever day has more in attendance this month wins. I have tentatively been told that the second Thursday is fine, but that's only one week away. Rumor has it that the classroom at Free Geek is being redone into rows of desks with a whiteboard and projector -- which makes second Wednesdays more viable, though the meeting room might still be a better space for us. Consider this month a trial run at the new schedule, plus I would like a chance to talk with everyone about presenting / brainstorm some meeting plans for the next several months. Thanks, Eric -- http://pdx.pm.org From kellert at ohsu.edu Wed Sep 7 11:54:38 2011 From: kellert at ohsu.edu (Tom Keller) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 11:54:38 -0700 Subject: [Pdx-pm] local::lib question Message-ID: <4FEFA462-CB78-4238-81E5-62F282B8DD92@ohsu.edu> Greetings, $ perl -Mlocal::lib should return the env variables for module build. But nothing is returned. but I have this in ~/.bashrc export MODULEBUILDRC="$HOME/perl5/.modulebuildrc" and .modulebuildrc contains this: install --install_base /Users/kellert/perl5/lib What am I missing? I did just upgrade to "Lion", OS X 10.7. thanks, Tom MMI DNA Services Core Facility 503-494-2442 kellert at ohsu.edu Office: 6588 RJH (CROET/BasicScience) OHSU Shared Resources -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From enobacon at gmail.com Wed Sep 7 18:04:10 2011 From: enobacon at gmail.com (Seven till Seven) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 18:04:10 -0700 Subject: [Pdx-pm] September meeting tomorrow: vote with your feet In-Reply-To: <201109011726.37179.enobacon@gmail.com> References: <201108240028.36851.enobacon@gmail.com> <201109011726.37179.enobacon@gmail.com> Message-ID: <201109071804.10532.enobacon@gmail.com> Thur. Sept 8th, 6:53pm at Lucky Lab ? 915 SE Hawthorne Note the new date and (temporary) location change. This is a trial run at changing to 2nd Thursdays and a break from Free Geek while we figure out the keys/space issues. We'll be discussing all things Perl and generally socializing in or near some tasty beverages. If you are new, look for the pdx.pm t-shirts[1]. Feel free to bring a laptop if you have some code or Perl questions to share or work on. (Or if you have no laptop, just bring the code/url.) The other meeting will be next Wednesday (Sept 14th), also at the Lucky Lab. You get one vote for each time you show up (vote for both days or one twice.) Rumor has it that the classroom at Free Geek is being redone into rows of desks with a whiteboard and projector -- which makes 2nd Wednesdays more viable, though the meeting room might still be a better space for us. Thanks, Eric [1] My shirt is often purple. There was talk on irc.perl.org/#pdx.pm of getting a '$_' bat-signal to shine on the ceiling, but no volunteer yet. -- http://pdx.pm.org From merlyn at stonehenge.com Wed Sep 7 18:07:29 2011 From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2011 18:07:29 -0700 Subject: [Pdx-pm] September meeting tomorrow: vote with your feet In-Reply-To: <201109071804.10532.enobacon@gmail.com> (Seven till Seven's message of "Wed, 7 Sep 2011 18:04:10 -0700") References: <201108240028.36851.enobacon@gmail.com> <201109011726.37179.enobacon@gmail.com> <201109071804.10532.enobacon@gmail.com> Message-ID: <86ty8nc04u.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> >>>>> "Seven" == Seven till Seven writes: Seven> We'll be discussing all things Perl and generally socializing in Seven> or near some tasty beverages. If you are new, look for the Seven> pdx.pm t-shirts[1]. Darn it... the one time you *start* at the Dog, and I'm enroute to Vancouver BC, or some Canadian Jail (not sure which yet). -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion From jonathan at leto.net Wed Sep 7 20:42:08 2011 From: jonathan at leto.net (Jonathan "Duke" Leto) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 20:42:08 -0700 Subject: [Pdx-pm] local::lib question In-Reply-To: <4FEFA462-CB78-4238-81E5-62F282B8DD92@ohsu.edu> References: <4FEFA462-CB78-4238-81E5-62F282B8DD92@ohsu.edu> Message-ID: Howdy, That sounds like an interesting bug. Which version of local::lib ? Also, the output of strace perl -Mlocal::lib may divulge some hints. Duke PROTIP: I find this bash alias useful: modversion () { perl -M$1 -le "print $1->VERSION" } Another way is to do: perldoc -m local::lib and read the $VERSION. 2011/9/7 Tom Keller : > Greetings, > $ perl -Mlocal::lib > should return the env variables for module build. But nothing is returned. > but I have this in ~/.bashrc > export MODULEBUILDRC="$HOME/perl5/.modulebuildrc" > and .modulebuildrc contains this: > install ?--install_base ?/Users/kellert/perl5/lib > What am I missing? > I did just upgrade to "Lion", OS X 10.7. > thanks, > Tom > MMI DNA Services Core Facility > 503-494-2442 > kellert at ohsu.edu > Office: 6588 RJH (CROET/BasicScience) > > OHSU Shared Resources > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pdx-pm-list mailing list > Pdx-pm-list at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pdx-pm-list > -- Jonathan "Duke" Leto Leto Labs LLC 209.691.DUKE // http://labs.leto.net NOTE: Personal email is only checked twice a day at 10am/2pm PST, please call/text for time-sensitive matters. From ben.hengst at gmail.com Wed Sep 7 22:13:15 2011 From: ben.hengst at gmail.com (benh) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 22:13:15 -0700 Subject: [Pdx-pm] September meeting tomorrow: vote with your feet In-Reply-To: <86ty8nc04u.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> References: <201108240028.36851.enobacon@gmail.com> <201109011726.37179.enobacon@gmail.com> <201109071804.10532.enobacon@gmail.com> <86ty8nc04u.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> Message-ID: Randal either way... it sounds like a story so should we pre-book you for next month? On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 18:07, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: >>>>>> "Seven" == Seven till Seven writes: > > Seven> We'll be discussing all things Perl and generally socializing in > Seven> or near some tasty beverages. ?If you are new, look for the > Seven> pdx.pm t-shirts[1]. > > Darn it... the one time you *start* at the Dog, and I'm enroute to > Vancouver BC, or some Canadian Jail (not sure which yet). > > -- > Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 > > Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. > See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion > _______________________________________________ > Pdx-pm-list mailing list > Pdx-pm-list at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pdx-pm-list > -- benh~ http://about.notbenh.info From ben.hengst at gmail.com Wed Sep 7 22:15:03 2011 From: ben.hengst at gmail.com (benh) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 22:15:03 -0700 Subject: [Pdx-pm] September meeting tomorrow: vote with your feet In-Reply-To: <201109071804.10532.enobacon@gmail.com> References: <201108240028.36851.enobacon@gmail.com> <201109011726.37179.enobacon@gmail.com> <201109071804.10532.enobacon@gmail.com> Message-ID: I'll also be in attendance (as well as most of the hackathon peeps) so if you can't seem to find eric then you can try and find me, I look like this guy: http://www.flickr.com/people/ben_hengst/photosof/ On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 18:04, Seven till Seven wrote: > > ?Thur. ?Sept 8th, 6:53pm at Lucky Lab ? 915 SE Hawthorne > > Note the new date and (temporary) location change. ?This is a trial run > at changing to 2nd Thursdays and a break from Free Geek while we figure > out the keys/space issues. > > We'll be discussing all things Perl and generally socializing in or near > some tasty beverages. ?If you are new, look for the pdx.pm t-shirts[1]. > > Feel free to bring a laptop if you have some code or Perl questions to > share or work on. (Or if you have no laptop, just bring the code/url.) > > The other meeting will be next Wednesday (Sept 14th), also at the Lucky > Lab. ?You get one vote for each time you show up (vote for both days or > one twice.) > > Rumor has it that the classroom at Free Geek is being redone into rows > of desks with a whiteboard and projector -- which makes 2nd Wednesdays > more viable, though the meeting room might still be a better space for > us. > > Thanks, > Eric > > [1] My shirt is often purple. ?There was talk on irc.perl.org/#pdx.pm of > getting a '$_' bat-signal to shine on the ceiling, but no volunteer yet. > -- > > ? ? ? ?http://pdx.pm.org > _______________________________________________ > Pdx-pm-list mailing list > Pdx-pm-list at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pdx-pm-list -- benh~ http://about.notbenh.info From exodist7 at gmail.com Wed Sep 7 23:20:42 2011 From: exodist7 at gmail.com (Chad Granum) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 23:20:42 -0700 Subject: [Pdx-pm] September meeting tomorrow: vote with your feet In-Reply-To: References: <201108240028.36851.enobacon@gmail.com> <201109011726.37179.enobacon@gmail.com> <201109071804.10532.enobacon@gmail.com> Message-ID: Wish I could come, but the 8'th is my wife's birthday and we have plans. I honestly do not care which day the meeting falls on. -Chad On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 10:15 PM, benh wrote: > I'll also be in attendance (as well as most of the hackathon peeps) so > if you can't seem to find eric then you can try and find me, I look > like this guy: http://www.flickr.com/people/ben_hengst/photosof/ > > On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 18:04, Seven till Seven wrote: >> >> ?Thur. ?Sept 8th, 6:53pm at Lucky Lab ? 915 SE Hawthorne >> >> Note the new date and (temporary) location change. ?This is a trial run >> at changing to 2nd Thursdays and a break from Free Geek while we figure >> out the keys/space issues. >> >> We'll be discussing all things Perl and generally socializing in or near >> some tasty beverages. ?If you are new, look for the pdx.pm t-shirts[1]. >> >> Feel free to bring a laptop if you have some code or Perl questions to >> share or work on. (Or if you have no laptop, just bring the code/url.) >> >> The other meeting will be next Wednesday (Sept 14th), also at the Lucky >> Lab. ?You get one vote for each time you show up (vote for both days or >> one twice.) >> >> Rumor has it that the classroom at Free Geek is being redone into rows >> of desks with a whiteboard and projector -- which makes 2nd Wednesdays >> more viable, though the meeting room might still be a better space for >> us. >> >> Thanks, >> Eric >> >> [1] My shirt is often purple. ?There was talk on irc.perl.org/#pdx.pm of >> getting a '$_' bat-signal to shine on the ceiling, but no volunteer yet. >> -- >> >> ? ? ? ?http://pdx.pm.org >> _______________________________________________ >> Pdx-pm-list mailing list >> Pdx-pm-list at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pdx-pm-list > > > > -- > benh~ > > http://about.notbenh.info > _______________________________________________ > Pdx-pm-list mailing list > Pdx-pm-list at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pdx-pm-list > From enobacon at gmail.com Thu Sep 8 11:19:37 2011 From: enobacon at gmail.com (Eric Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 11:19:37 -0700 Subject: [Pdx-pm] local::lib question In-Reply-To: References: <4FEFA462-CB78-4238-81E5-62F282B8DD92@ohsu.edu> Message-ID: <201109081119.37299.enobacon@gmail.com> # from Jonathan "Duke" Leto on Wednesday 07 September 2011 20:42: > 2011/9/7 Tom Keller : >> $ perl -Mlocal::lib >> should return the env variables for module build. But nothing is >> returned. It prints nothing at all? >> but I have this in ~/.bashrc >> export MODULEBUILDRC="$HOME/perl5/.modulebuildrc" >> and .modulebuildrc contains this: >> install ?--install_base ?/Users/kellert/perl5/lib > >That sounds like an interesting bug. Which version of local::lib ? That's a good point. Probably an older version of local::lib or Module::Build, or maybe some failed attempt at back-compat. Earlier versions of Module::Build (pre 0.36) didn't have the PERL_MB_OPT environment variable, so you had to use the rc file -- so local::lib would just write one and use MODULEBUILDRC as above. >strace perl -Mlocal::lib >> I did just upgrade to "Lion", OS X 10.7. 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I honestly do not care which day the meeting falls on. > > -Chad > > On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 10:15 PM, benh wrote: >> I'll also be in attendance (as well as most of the hackathon peeps) so >> if you can't seem to find eric then you can try and find me, I look >> like this guy: http://www.flickr.com/people/ben_hengst/photosof/ >> >> On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 18:04, Seven till Seven wrote: >>> >>> ?Thur. ?Sept 8th, 6:53pm at Lucky Lab ? 915 SE Hawthorne >>> >>> Note the new date and (temporary) location change. ?This is a trial run >>> at changing to 2nd Thursdays and a break from Free Geek while we figure >>> out the keys/space issues. >>> >>> We'll be discussing all things Perl and generally socializing in or near >>> some tasty beverages. ?If you are new, look for the pdx.pm t-shirts[1]. >>> >>> Feel free to bring a laptop if you have some code or Perl questions to >>> share or work on. (Or if you have no laptop, just bring the code/url.) >>> >>> The other meeting will be next Wednesday (Sept 14th), also at the Lucky >>> Lab. ?You get one vote for each time you show up (vote for both days or >>> one twice.) >>> >>> Rumor has it that the classroom at Free Geek is being redone into rows >>> of desks with a whiteboard and projector -- which makes 2nd Wednesdays >>> more viable, though the meeting room might still be a better space for >>> us. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Eric >>> >>> [1] My shirt is often purple. ?There was talk on irc.perl.org/#pdx.pm of >>> getting a '$_' bat-signal to shine on the ceiling, but no volunteer yet. >>> -- >>> >>> ? ? ? ?http://pdx.pm.org >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pdx-pm-list mailing list >>> Pdx-pm-list at pm.org >>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pdx-pm-list >> >> >> >> -- >> benh~ >> >> http://about.notbenh.info >> _______________________________________________ >> Pdx-pm-list mailing list >> Pdx-pm-list at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pdx-pm-list >> > -- benh~ http://about.notbenh.info From enobacon at gmail.com Thu Sep 8 17:11:26 2011 From: enobacon at gmail.com (Seven till Seven) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 17:11:26 -0700 Subject: [Pdx-pm] September meeting tonight: "Now on 2nd Thursdays" Social In-Reply-To: <201109011726.37179.enobacon@gmail.com> References: <201108240028.36851.enobacon@gmail.com> <201109011726.37179.enobacon@gmail.com> Message-ID: <201109081711.26702.enobacon@gmail.com> Thur. Sept 8th, 6:53pm at Lucky Lab ? 915 SE Hawthorne Note the new date and (temporary) location change. This is a trial run at changing to 2nd Thursdays and a break from Free Geek while we figure out the keys/space issues. Don't forget to vote! (There will be a sign-in sheet.) We'll be discussing all things Perl and generally socializing in or near some tasty beverages. If you are new, look for the pdx.pm t-shirts[1]. Feel free to bring a laptop if you have some code or Perl questions to share or work on. (Or if you have no laptop, just bring the code/url.) The other meeting will be next Wednesday (Sept 14th), also at the Lucky Lab. You get one vote for each time you show up (vote for both days or one twice.) Rumor has it that the classroom at Free Geek is being redone into rows of desks with a whiteboard and projector -- which makes 2nd Wednesdays more viable, though the meeting room might still be a better space for us. Thanks, Eric [1] My shirt is often purple. There was talk on irc.perl.org/#pdx.pm of getting a '$_' bat-signal to shine on the ceiling, but no volunteer yet. -- http://pdx.pm.org From brian.kurle at ieee.org Thu Sep 8 18:53:19 2011 From: brian.kurle at ieee.org (Brian Kurle) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 18:53:19 -0700 Subject: [Pdx-pm] September meeting tonight: "Now on 2nd Thursdays" Social In-Reply-To: <201109081711.26702.enobacon@gmail.com> References: <201108240028.36851.enobacon@gmail.com> <201109011726.37179.enobacon@gmail.com> <201109081711.26702.enobacon@gmail.com> Message-ID: ARG!! My car died _on_ the hawthorne bridge and I had to have it towed home (blocking traffic... isn't that fun!) I still want my vote for tonight. On Sep 8, 2011, at 5:11 PM, Seven till Seven wrote: > > Thur. Sept 8th, 6:53pm at Lucky Lab ? 915 SE Hawthorne > Note the new date and (temporary) location change. This is a trial run at changing to 2nd Thursdays and a break from Free Geek while we figure out the keys/space issues. > Don't forget to vote! (There will be a sign-in sheet.) > > We'll be discussing all things Perl and generally socializing in or near some tasty beverages. If you are new, look for the pdx.pm t-shirts[1]. > Feel free to bring a laptop if you have some code or Perl questions to share or work on. (Or if you have no laptop, just bring the code/url.) > The other meeting will be next Wednesday (Sept 14th), also at the Lucky Lab. You get one vote for each time you show up (vote for both days or one twice.) > Rumor has it that the classroom at Free Geek is being redone into rows of desks with a whiteboard and projector -- which makes 2nd Wednesdays more viable, though the meeting room might still be a better space for us. > Thanks,Eric > [1] My shirt is often purple. There was talk on irc.perl.org/#pdx.pm of getting a '$_' bat-signal to shine on the ceiling, but no volunteer yet.-- > http://pdx.pm.org_______________________________________________Pdx-pm-list mailing listPdx-pm-list at pm.orghttp://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pdx-pm-list > From ben.hengst at gmail.com Thu Sep 8 21:51:39 2011 From: ben.hengst at gmail.com (benh) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 21:51:39 -0700 Subject: [Pdx-pm] September meeting tonight: "Now on 2nd Thursdays" Social In-Reply-To: References: <201108240028.36851.enobacon@gmail.com> <201109011726.37179.enobacon@gmail.com> <201109081711.26702.enobacon@gmail.com> Message-ID: OHNOS! I'm glad that you survived the drama. Glad your safe. On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 18:53, Brian Kurle wrote: > ARG!! ?My car died _on_ the hawthorne bridge and I had to have it towed home (blocking traffic... isn't that fun!) > > I still want my vote for tonight. > > On Sep 8, 2011, at 5:11 PM, Seven till Seven wrote: > >> >> ?Thur. ?Sept 8th, 6:53pm at Lucky Lab ? 915 SE Hawthorne >> Note the new date and (temporary) location change. ?This is a trial run at changing to 2nd Thursdays and a break from Free Geek while we figure out the keys/space issues. >> ?Don't forget to vote! ?(There will be a sign-in sheet.) >> >> We'll be discussing all things Perl and generally socializing in or near some tasty beverages. ?If you are new, look for the pdx.pm t-shirts[1]. >> Feel free to bring a laptop if you have some code or Perl questions to share or work on. (Or if you have no laptop, just bring the code/url.) >> The other meeting will be next Wednesday (Sept 14th), also at the Lucky Lab. ?You get one vote for each time you show up (vote for both days or one twice.) >> Rumor has it that the classroom at Free Geek is being redone into rows of desks with a whiteboard and projector -- which makes 2nd Wednesdays more viable, though the meeting room might still be a better space for us. >> Thanks,Eric >> [1] My shirt is often purple. ?There was talk on irc.perl.org/#pdx.pm of getting a '$_' bat-signal to shine on the ceiling, but no volunteer yet.-- >> ? ? ? ?http://pdx.pm.org_______________________________________________Pdx-pm-list mailing listPdx-pm-list at pm.orghttp://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pdx-pm-list >> > > _______________________________________________ > Pdx-pm-list mailing list > Pdx-pm-list at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pdx-pm-list > -- benh~ http://about.notbenh.info From merlyn at stonehenge.com Fri Sep 9 05:48:38 2011 From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2011 05:48:38 -0700 Subject: [Pdx-pm] September meeting tonight: "Now on 2nd Thursdays" Social In-Reply-To: (benh's message of "Thu, 8 Sep 2011 21:51:39 -0700") References: <201108240028.36851.enobacon@gmail.com> <201109011726.37179.enobacon@gmail.com> <201109081711.26702.enobacon@gmail.com> Message-ID: <86d3f9ankp.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> >>>>> "benh" == benh writes: benh> Glad your safe. Glad his safe ... does what? Oh, maybe you meant "Glad you're safe"? -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion From ben.hengst at gmail.com Fri Sep 9 10:05:32 2011 From: ben.hengst at gmail.com (benh) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 10:05:32 -0700 Subject: [Pdx-pm] September meeting tonight: "Now on 2nd Thursdays" Social In-Reply-To: <86d3f9ankp.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> References: <201108240028.36851.enobacon@gmail.com> <201109011726.37179.enobacon@gmail.com> <201109081711.26702.enobacon@gmail.com> <86d3f9ankp.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> Message-ID: This again: http://twitter.com/#!/notbenh/status/109484048593850368 On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 05:48, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: >>>>>> "benh" == benh ? writes: > > benh> Glad your safe. > > Glad his safe ... does what? > > Oh, maybe you meant "Glad you're safe"? > > > > -- > Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 > > Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. > See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion > -- benh~ http://about.notbenh.info From merlyn at stonehenge.com Fri Sep 9 10:23:09 2011 From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2011 10:23:09 -0700 Subject: [Pdx-pm] September meeting tonight: "Now on 2nd Thursdays" Social In-Reply-To: (benh's message of "Fri, 9 Sep 2011 10:05:32 -0700") References: <201108240028.36851.enobacon@gmail.com> <201109011726.37179.enobacon@gmail.com> <201109081711.26702.enobacon@gmail.com> <86d3f9ankp.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> Message-ID: <86zkid8waq.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> >>>>> "benh" == benh writes: benh> This again: benh> http://twitter.com/#!/notbenh/status/109484048593850368 If it were possible to change the English language by a simple tweet, I'm sure we'd be writing it as "UR" by now. :) -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion From exodist7 at gmail.com Fri Sep 9 10:31:32 2011 From: exodist7 at gmail.com (Chad Granum) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 10:31:32 -0700 Subject: [Pdx-pm] September meeting tonight: "Now on 2nd Thursdays" Social In-Reply-To: <86zkid8waq.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> References: <201108240028.36851.enobacon@gmail.com> <201109011726.37179.enobacon@gmail.com> <201109081711.26702.enobacon@gmail.com> <86d3f9ankp.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <86zkid8waq.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> Message-ID: My Take: Language rules are in place to help make communication understandable. They do not exist to give a select few a feeling of superiority or power trip. If a rule is violated one should pause and consider "Did the communication succeed, or does the communication confuse me?" if confused ask for elaboration, otherwise mission complete end of story. If you know a rule was violated, and which rule then the communication succeeded, wait for someone to pipe in that they are confused, only then should you point out the rule violation in order to aid the communication. On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 10:23 AM, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: >>>>>> "benh" == benh ? writes: > > benh> This again: > benh> http://twitter.com/#!/notbenh/status/109484048593850368 > > If it were possible to change the English language by a simple tweet, > I'm sure we'd be writing it as "UR" by now. :) > > -- > Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 > > Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. > See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion > _______________________________________________ > Pdx-pm-list mailing list > Pdx-pm-list at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pdx-pm-list > From brian.kurle at ieee.org Fri Sep 9 10:34:50 2011 From: brian.kurle at ieee.org (Brian Kurle) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 10:34:50 -0700 Subject: [Pdx-pm] September meeting tonight: "Now on 2nd Thursdays" Social In-Reply-To: References: <201108240028.36851.enobacon@gmail.com> <201109011726.37179.enobacon@gmail.com> <201109081711.26702.enobacon@gmail.com> <86d3f9ankp.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <86zkid8waq.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> Message-ID: <20C3EF9A-B04C-426F-BD0D-3B4349F02400@ieee.org> On Sep 9, 2011, at 10:31 AM, Chad Granum wrote: > My Take: > > Language rules are in place to help make communication understandable. > They do not exist to give a select few a feeling of superiority or > power trip. If a rule is violated one should pause and consider "Did > the communication succeed, or does the communication confuse me?" if > confused ask for elaboration, otherwise mission complete end of story. > If you know a rule was violated, and which rule then the communication > succeeded, wait for someone to pipe in that they are confused, only > then should you point out the rule violation in order to aid the > communication. +1 From exodist7 at gmail.com Fri Sep 9 10:37:07 2011 From: exodist7 at gmail.com (Chad Granum) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 10:37:07 -0700 Subject: [Pdx-pm] September meeting tonight: "Now on 2nd Thursdays" Social In-Reply-To: <20C3EF9A-B04C-426F-BD0D-3B4349F02400@ieee.org> References: <201108240028.36851.enobacon@gmail.com> <201109011726.37179.enobacon@gmail.com> <201109081711.26702.enobacon@gmail.com> <86d3f9ankp.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <86zkid8waq.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <20C3EF9A-B04C-426F-BD0D-3B4349F02400@ieee.org> Message-ID: I will note however that pointing out errors in documentation, which thrives on clarity, is perfectly acceptable. Even better would be a patch/pull request containing the fixes. Compared to interactive communication, it is much harder to get clarification on documents intended for large audiences. -Chad On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 10:34 AM, Brian Kurle wrote: > > On Sep 9, 2011, at 10:31 AM, Chad Granum wrote: > >> My Take: >> >> Language rules are in place to help make communication understandable. >> They do not exist to give a select few a feeling of superiority or >> power trip. If a rule is violated one should pause and consider "Did >> the communication succeed, or does the communication confuse me?" if >> confused ask for elaboration, otherwise mission complete end of story. >> If you know a rule was violated, and which rule then the communication >> succeeded, wait for someone to pipe in that they are confused, only >> then should you point out the rule violation in order to aid the >> communication. > > +1 > _______________________________________________ > Pdx-pm-list mailing list > Pdx-pm-list at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pdx-pm-list > From brian.kurle at ieee.org Fri Sep 9 10:38:59 2011 From: brian.kurle at ieee.org (Brian Kurle) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 10:38:59 -0700 Subject: [Pdx-pm] September meeting tonight: "Now on 2nd Thursdays" Social In-Reply-To: References: <201108240028.36851.enobacon@gmail.com> <201109011726.37179.enobacon@gmail.com> <201109081711.26702.enobacon@gmail.com> <86d3f9ankp.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <86zkid8waq.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> Message-ID: <43FF715F-07DA-40DE-A1DA-5362AB7C8127@ieee.org> On Sep 9, 2011, at 10:31 AM, Chad Granum wrote: > My Take: > > Language rules are in place to help make communication understandable. > They do not exist to give a select few a feeling of superiority or > power trip. If a rule is violated one should pause and consider "Did > the communication succeed, or does the communication confuse me?" if > confused ask for elaboration, otherwise mission complete end of story. > If you know a rule was violated, and which rule then the communication > succeeded, wait for someone to pipe in that they are confused, only > then should you point out the rule violation in order to aid the > communication. As an afterthought, since I was the directed recipient of the message, albeit posted publicly, and actually applied the above rules and understood what Ben stated, I find it unfortunate we are bike shedding. From joshua at keroes.com Fri Sep 9 10:39:04 2011 From: joshua at keroes.com (Joshua Keroes) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 10:39:04 -0700 Subject: [Pdx-pm] September meeting tonight: "Now on 2nd Thursdays" Social In-Reply-To: References: <201108240028.36851.enobacon@gmail.com> <201109011726.37179.enobacon@gmail.com> <201109081711.26702.enobacon@gmail.com> <86d3f9ankp.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <86zkid8waq.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> Message-ID: There's an entire spectrum of communication quality. Take your computer, for example. What if it's on a lossy link? Yes, your computer will rerequest the TCP packets that were forgotten or corrupted, but UDP's gone for good, and your network traffic will be slow indeed. Is that really ideal? By the same token (no pun intended), poor spoken communication makes for slow and imprecise conversation because the listener has to piece back together the speaker's attempted communication. Incorrect word choice causes cognitive dissonance in the listener which is distracting, much like corrupt packets. -Joshua On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 10:31 AM, Chad Granum wrote: > My Take: > > Language rules are in place to help make communication understandable. > They do not exist to give a select few a feeling of superiority or > power trip. If a rule is violated one should pause and consider "Did > the communication succeed, or does the communication confuse me?" if > confused ask for elaboration, otherwise mission complete end of story. > If you know a rule was violated, and which rule then the communication > succeeded, wait for someone to pipe in that they are confused, only > then should you point out the rule violation in order to aid the > communication. > > On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 10:23 AM, Randal L. Schwartz > wrote: > >>>>>> "benh" == benh writes: > > > > benh> This again: > > benh> http://twitter.com/#!/notbenh/status/109484048593850368 > > > > If it were possible to change the English language by a simple tweet, > > I'm sure we'd be writing it as "UR" by now. :) > > > > -- > > Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 > 0095 > > > > Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. > > See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion > > _______________________________________________ > > Pdx-pm-list mailing list > > Pdx-pm-list at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pdx-pm-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Pdx-pm-list mailing list > Pdx-pm-list at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pdx-pm-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From exodist7 at gmail.com Fri Sep 9 10:47:18 2011 From: exodist7 at gmail.com (Chad Granum) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 10:47:18 -0700 Subject: [Pdx-pm] September meeting tonight: "Now on 2nd Thursdays" Social In-Reply-To: References: <201108240028.36851.enobacon@gmail.com> <201109011726.37179.enobacon@gmail.com> <201109081711.26702.enobacon@gmail.com> <86d3f9ankp.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <86zkid8waq.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> Message-ID: The real problem is that the written form of contractions require special syntax, whereas the spoken form does not require special vocalizations. "You're safe!" Vs "Your safe!" in writing these are very different, in the latter I am warning you something is wrong with the safe you own, in the former I am noting what condition you are in. Both are partial sentences consisting of two words (when defined by space separated tokens). In each partial sentence both tokens have different meanings. But now say both out loud. There is no spoken difference. The only way to know what is going on is the context. I would argue that in written form you will usually have the same context information. Either way, arguing that you should write it correctly for clarity is a farce if you do not also advocate for a way to clarify the spoken form, otherwise we have 2 different forms of English, and expect people to translate depending on what they are doing. It is difficult enough to get a point across in writing, needing to translate what I say into different forms of English from that which I speak is overhead I do not care for. On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Joshua Keroes wrote: > There's an entire spectrum of communication quality. > Take your computer, for example. What if it's on a lossy link? Yes, your > computer will rerequest the TCP packets that were forgotten or corrupted, > but UDP's gone for good, and your network traffic will be slow indeed. Is > that really ideal? > By the same token (no pun intended), poor spoken communication makes for > slow and imprecise conversation because the listener has to piece back > together the speaker's attempted communication. Incorrect word choice causes > cognitive dissonance in the listener which is distracting, much like corrupt > packets. > -Joshua > > On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 10:31 AM, Chad Granum wrote: >> >> My Take: >> >> Language rules are in place to help make communication understandable. >> They do not exist to give a select few a feeling of superiority or >> power trip. If a rule is violated one should pause and consider "Did >> the communication succeed, or does the communication confuse me?" if >> confused ask for elaboration, otherwise mission complete end of story. >> If you know a rule was violated, and which rule then the communication >> succeeded, wait for someone to pipe in that they are confused, only >> then should you point out the rule violation in order to aid the >> communication. >> >> On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 10:23 AM, Randal L. Schwartz >> wrote: >> >>>>>> "benh" == benh ? writes: >> > >> > benh> This again: >> > benh> http://twitter.com/#!/notbenh/status/109484048593850368 >> > >> > If it were possible to change the English language by a simple tweet, >> > I'm sure we'd be writing it as "UR" by now. :) >> > >> > -- >> > Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 >> > 0095 >> > >> > Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. >> > See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Pdx-pm-list mailing list >> > Pdx-pm-list at pm.org >> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pdx-pm-list >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> Pdx-pm-list mailing list >> Pdx-pm-list at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pdx-pm-list > > From bmk at rentrak.com Fri Sep 9 10:42:35 2011 From: bmk at rentrak.com (Braden Kelley) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 10:42:35 -0700 Subject: [Pdx-pm] September meeting tonight: "Now on 2nd Thursdays" Social In-Reply-To: References: <201108240028.36851.enobacon@gmail.com> <201109011726.37179.enobacon@gmail.com> <201109081711.26702.enobacon@gmail.com> <86d3f9ankp.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <86zkid8waq.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> Message-ID: +1 2011/9/9 Joshua Keroes > There's an entire spectrum of communication quality. > > Take your computer, for example. What if it's on a lossy link? Yes, your > computer will rerequest the TCP packets that were forgotten or corrupted, > but UDP's gone for good, and your network traffic will be slow indeed. Is > that really ideal? > > By the same token (no pun intended), poor spoken communication makes for > slow and imprecise conversation because the listener has to piece back > together the speaker's attempted communication. Incorrect word choice causes > cognitive dissonance in the listener which is distracting, much like corrupt > packets. > > -Joshua > > > On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 10:31 AM, Chad Granum wrote: > >> My Take: >> >> Language rules are in place to help make communication understandable. >> They do not exist to give a select few a feeling of superiority or >> power trip. If a rule is violated one should pause and consider "Did >> the communication succeed, or does the communication confuse me?" if >> confused ask for elaboration, otherwise mission complete end of story. >> If you know a rule was violated, and which rule then the communication >> succeeded, wait for someone to pipe in that they are confused, only >> then should you point out the rule violation in order to aid the >> communication. >> >> On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 10:23 AM, Randal L. Schwartz >> wrote: >> >>>>>> "benh" == benh writes: >> > >> > benh> This again: >> > benh> http://twitter.com/#!/notbenh/status/109484048593850368 >> > >> > If it were possible to change the English language by a simple tweet, >> > I'm sure we'd be writing it as "UR" by now. :) >> > >> > -- >> > Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 >> 0095 >> > >> > Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. >> > See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Pdx-pm-list mailing list >> > Pdx-pm-list at pm.org >> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pdx-pm-list >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> Pdx-pm-list mailing list >> Pdx-pm-list at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pdx-pm-list >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Pdx-pm-list mailing list > Pdx-pm-list at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pdx-pm-list > -- Braden M. Kelley | Software Developer Theatrical International | www.iboe.com bmk at rentrak.com RENTRAK | www.rentrak.com | NASDAQ: RENT -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brian.kurle at ieee.org Fri Sep 9 10:53:22 2011 From: brian.kurle at ieee.org (Brian Kurle) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 10:53:22 -0700 Subject: [Pdx-pm] September meeting tonight: "Now on 2nd Thursdays" Social In-Reply-To: References: <201108240028.36851.enobacon@gmail.com> <201109011726.37179.enobacon@gmail.com> <201109081711.26702.enobacon@gmail.com> <86d3f9ankp.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <86zkid8waq.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> Message-ID: <2EED7F83-F5C2-4803-8AFA-2B378BED229D@ieee.org> On Sep 9, 2011, at 10:47 AM, Chad Granum wrote: > The real problem is that the written form of contractions require > special syntax, whereas the spoken form does not require special > vocalizations. ... Geez... You've let Randal troll the thread! Yeah, nice arguments and all true, but all miss the bloody point that Ben showed concern of my safety and although a typo was induced, I fully understood his intent. Thus, the relevance of the argument shouldn't apply as *I* the recipient understood the "packet" sent by Ben. Let it rest. From exodist7 at gmail.com Fri Sep 9 10:59:08 2011 From: exodist7 at gmail.com (Chad Granum) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 10:59:08 -0700 Subject: [Pdx-pm] September meeting tonight: "Now on 2nd Thursdays" Social In-Reply-To: <2EED7F83-F5C2-4803-8AFA-2B378BED229D@ieee.org> References: <201108240028.36851.enobacon@gmail.com> <201109011726.37179.enobacon@gmail.com> <201109081711.26702.enobacon@gmail.com> <86d3f9ankp.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <86zkid8waq.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <2EED7F83-F5C2-4803-8AFA-2B378BED229D@ieee.org> Message-ID: Sorry, You are correct, I will stop now. I was just already riled up from a swarm of Grammar Nazis that buzzed me from a recent blog post+module release. -Chad On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Brian Kurle wrote: > > On Sep 9, 2011, at 10:47 AM, Chad Granum wrote: > >> The real problem is that the written form of contractions require >> special syntax, whereas the spoken form does not require special >> vocalizations. > ... > > Geez... You've let Randal troll the thread! ?Yeah, nice arguments and all true, but all miss the bloody point that Ben showed concern of my safety and although a typo was induced, I fully understood his intent. ?Thus, the relevance of the argument shouldn't apply as *I* the recipient understood the "packet" sent by Ben. > > Let it rest. > _______________________________________________ > Pdx-pm-list mailing list > Pdx-pm-list at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pdx-pm-list > From enobacon at gmail.com Fri Sep 9 12:03:15 2011 From: enobacon at gmail.com (Eric Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 12:03:15 -0700 Subject: [Pdx-pm] you're shedding your bikes! In-Reply-To: <43FF715F-07DA-40DE-A1DA-5362AB7C8127@ieee.org> References: <201108240028.36851.enobacon@gmail.com> <43FF715F-07DA-40DE-A1DA-5362AB7C8127@ieee.org> Message-ID: <201109091203.16064.enobacon@gmail.com> # from Brian Kurle on Friday 09 September 2011: >I find it unfortunate we are bike shedding. Shedding bikes!? Surely you meant bikeshedding (not to be confused with bike-shedding (where you take your bike to the shed))? Though we should maybe just call it nitpicking, because I don't think Ben has a bikeshed. According to wikipedia: "manual nitpicking is still often necessary." --Eric -- Moving pianos is dangerous. Moving pianos are dangerous. Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo. --------------------------------------------------- http://scratchcomputing.com --------------------------------------------------- From db at kavod.com Fri Sep 9 12:58:29 2011 From: db at kavod.com (Daniel Browning) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 12:58:29 -0700 Subject: [Pdx-pm] you're shedding your bikes! In-Reply-To: <201109091203.16064.enobacon@gmail.com> References: <201108240028.36851.enobacon@gmail.com> <43FF715F-07DA-40DE-A1DA-5362AB7C8127@ieee.org> <201109091203.16064.enobacon@gmail.com> Message-ID: <201109091258.29474.db@kavod.com> On Friday 09 September 2011 12:03:15 pm Eric Wilhelm wrote: > # from Brian Kurle on Friday 09 September 2011: > >I find it unfortunate we are bike shedding. > According to wikipedia: "manual nitpicking is still often necessary." In this doggy-dog world, does grammer; spelling; "or correct" quotation usage really matter anymore? I beleive not. Case and point: mitsakes is literally a diamond dozen, but they TOTALLY don't make me want to claw my eyes out with a dull spoon. Irregardless, it begs the question: is it a mute point? For all intensive purposes, if bad enlgish would of been the downfall of society, then we'd of seen it bye now. some say teh worst problem is loosing capitalization punctuation is also an issue i think some thoughts need to be seperated or maybe its the run on sentences? Does it try your patients when I LOL OMG Y U BFF said IDK BRB?!! OIC, the BBQ is W/E GF IKR!! 1 How bad does it get before i.e. its something up with which you will not put? -- DB From sechrest at peak.org Fri Sep 9 13:05:28 2011 From: sechrest at peak.org (John Sechrest) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 14:05:28 -0600 Subject: [Pdx-pm] you're shedding your bikes! In-Reply-To: <201109091258.29474.db@kavod.com> References: <201108240028.36851.enobacon@gmail.com> <43FF715F-07DA-40DE-A1DA-5362AB7C8127@ieee.org> <201109091203.16064.enobacon@gmail.com> <201109091258.29474.db@kavod.com> Message-ID: A plan to improve the language: For example, in Year 1 that useless letter "c" would be dropped to be replased either by "k" or "s", and likewise "x" would no longer be part of the alphabet. The only kase in which "c" would be retained would be the "ch" formation, which will be dealt with later. Year 2 might reform "w" spelling, so that "which" and "one" would take the same konsonant, wile Year 3 might well abolish "y" replasing it with "i" and iear 4 might fiks the "g/j" anomali wonse and for all. Jenerally, then, the improvement would kontinue iear bai iear with iear 5 doing awai with useless double konsonants, and iears 6-12 or so modifaiing vowlz and the rimeining voist and unvoist konsonants. Bai iear 15 or sou, it wud fainali bi posibl tu meik ius ov thi ridandant letez "c", "y" and "x" -- bai now jast a memori in the maindz ov ould doderez -- tu riplais "ch", "sh", and "th" rispektivli. Fainali, xen, aafte sam 20 iers ov orxogrefkl riform, wi wud hev a lojikl, kohirnt speling in ius xrewawt xe Ingliy-spiking werld. ------------------------------ You can also find online a more thorough (and somewhat more serious) essay by Mark Twain on this subject, "A Simplified Alphabet," which was written in 1899. This was taken from: http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/twain.htm On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 1:58 PM, Daniel Browning wrote: > On Friday 09 September 2011 12:03:15 pm Eric Wilhelm wrote: > > # from Brian Kurle on Friday 09 September 2011: > > >I find it unfortunate we are bike shedding. > > According to wikipedia: "manual nitpicking is still often necessary." > > In this doggy-dog world, does grammer; spelling; "or correct" quotation > usage really matter anymore? I beleive not. Case and point: mitsakes is > literally a diamond dozen, but they TOTALLY don't make me want to claw my > eyes out with a dull spoon. Irregardless, it begs the question: is it a > mute > point? For all intensive purposes, if bad enlgish would of been the > downfall > of society, then we'd of seen it bye now. some say teh worst problem is > loosing capitalization punctuation is also an issue i think some thoughts > need to be seperated or maybe its the run on sentences? Does it try your > patients when I LOL OMG Y U BFF said IDK BRB?!! OIC, the BBQ is W/E GF > IKR!! > 1 How bad does it get before i.e. its something up with which you will not > put? > > -- > DB > _______________________________________________ > Pdx-pm-list mailing list > Pdx-pm-list at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pdx-pm-list > > > > -- John Sechrest . . . . . sechrest at gmail.com . @sechrest . http://www.oomaat.com . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ben.hengst at gmail.com Fri Sep 9 13:33:21 2011 From: ben.hengst at gmail.com (benh) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 13:33:21 -0700 Subject: [Pdx-pm] happy friday everyone Message-ID: I hope everyone has a great day and enjoy your weekend! -- benh~ http://about.notbenh.info From enobacon at gmail.com Mon Sep 12 10:26:25 2011 From: enobacon at gmail.com (Seven till Seven) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 10:26:25 -0700 Subject: [Pdx-pm] meeting this Wednesday: "Last of the 2nd Wednesdays" Social In-Reply-To: <201109011726.37179.enobacon@gmail.com> References: <201108240028.36851.enobacon@gmail.com> <201109011726.37179.enobacon@gmail.com> Message-ID: <201109121026.26196.enobacon@gmail.com> Wed. Sept 14th, 6:53pm at Lucky Lab ? 915 SE Hawthorne Note the (temporary) location change. This is possibly the last of the meetings on 2nd Wednesdays and a break from Free Geek while we figure out the keys/space issues. Don't forget to vote! (There will be a sign-in sheet.) We'll be discussing all things Perl and generally socializing in or near some tasty beverages. If you are new, look for the pdx.pm t-shirts[1]. Feel free to bring a laptop if you have some code or Perl questions to share or work on. (Or if you have no laptop, just bring the code/url.) I would also like to hear your ideas and proposals for future meeting topics and presentations. The other meeting was last Thursday (Sept 8th), also at the Lucky Lab. You get one vote for each time you show up (vote for both days or one twice.) Rumor has it that the classroom at Free Geek is being redone into rows of desks with a whiteboard and projector -- which makes 2nd Wednesdays more viable, though the meeting room might still be a better space for us. Thanks, Eric [1] My shirt is often purple. There was talk on irc.perl.org/#pdx.pm of getting a '$_' bat-signal to shine on the ceiling, but no volunteer yet. -- http://pdx.pm.org From enobacon at gmail.com Tue Sep 13 00:40:04 2011 From: enobacon at gmail.com (Eric Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 00:40:04 -0700 Subject: [Pdx-pm] return of the podcasts Message-ID: <201109130040.04539.enobacon@gmail.com> Hi all, I have posted the podcasts on my VPS as an experiment. http://pdxpm.enobacon.com/ I would like to get them linked from the wiki or otherwise setup some kind of meeting archive. Please let me know if you're interested in helping with that. Thanks, Eric -- Moving pianos is dangerous. Moving pianos are dangerous. Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo. --------------------------------------------------- http://scratchcomputing.com --------------------------------------------------- From enobacon at gmail.com Tue Sep 13 22:59:28 2011 From: enobacon at gmail.com (Eric Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 22:59:28 -0700 Subject: [Pdx-pm] t-shirts still available Message-ID: <201109132259.28394.enobacon@gmail.com> Hi all, I still have some t-shirts from previous years. The sizes available and prices are as follows: S,M,L - $_ (2010) @ $15 L - jersey (2006) @ $10 2XL - rose (2004) @ $ 5 Please contact me off-list if you would like one. Thanks, Eric -- "Time flies like an arrow, but fruit flies like a banana." --Groucho Marx --------------------------------------------------- http://scratchcomputing.com --------------------------------------------------- From ben.hengst at gmail.com Wed Sep 14 02:27:30 2011 From: ben.hengst at gmail.com (benh) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 02:27:30 -0700 Subject: [Pdx-pm] return of the podcasts In-Reply-To: <201109130040.04539.enobacon@gmail.com> References: <201109130040.04539.enobacon@gmail.com> Message-ID: hooray! Because of the nice formatting and I needed something else to work on for a bit I whipped up a little script that snarfs this and prints out some human-ish tallies. But it got me thinking, apart from griping about my preference for do{} for, and other such ben-isms, there should be a better way then building up 2 structures and 3 loops? Is there a more efficient way to still clean the data and end up with human-ish results, while not loop over that initial parse like a bubble sort? https://gist.github.com/1216168 output is post __END__ Is there a better way? On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 00:40, Eric Wilhelm wrote: > Hi all, > > I have posted the podcasts on my VPS as an experiment. > > ?http://pdxpm.enobacon.com/ > > I would like to get them linked from the wiki or otherwise setup some > kind of meeting archive. ?Please let me know if you're interested in > helping with that. > > Thanks, > Eric > -- > Moving pianos is dangerous. > Moving pianos are dangerous. > Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo. > --------------------------------------------------- > ? ?http://scratchcomputing.com > --------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Pdx-pm-list mailing list > Pdx-pm-list at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pdx-pm-list > -- benh~ http://about.notbenh.info From enobacon at gmail.com Wed Sep 14 10:58:37 2011 From: enobacon at gmail.com (Seven till Seven) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 10:58:37 -0700 Subject: [Pdx-pm] meeting tonight: "Last of the 2nd Wednesdays" Social In-Reply-To: <201109011726.37179.enobacon@gmail.com> References: <201108240028.36851.enobacon@gmail.com> <201109011726.37179.enobacon@gmail.com> Message-ID: <201109141058.37484.enobacon@gmail.com> Wed. Sept 14th, 6:53pm at Lucky Lab ? 915 SE Hawthorne Note the (temporary) location change. This is possibly the last of the meetings on 2nd Wednesdays and a break from Free Geek while we figure out the keys/space issues. Don't forget to vote! (There will be a sign-in sheet.) We'll be discussing all things Perl and generally socializing in or near some tasty beverages. If you are new, look for the pdx.pm t-shirts[1]. Feel free to bring a laptop if you have some code or Perl questions to share or work on. (Or if you have no laptop, just bring the code/url.) I would also like to hear your ideas and proposals for future meeting topics and presentations. The other meeting was last Thursday (Sept 8th), also at the Lucky Lab. You get one vote for each time you show up (vote for both days or one twice.) Rumor has it that the classroom at Free Geek is being redone into rows of desks with a whiteboard and projector -- which makes 2nd Wednesdays more viable, though the meeting room might still be a better space for us. Thanks, Eric [1] My shirt is often purple. 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For the full article visit: http://szabgab.com/blog/2011/09/perl-poll-what-would-you-like-to-read-about.html To go directly to the poll visit http://perlpolls.com/perl-news regards Gabor From ben.hengst at gmail.com Thu Sep 29 00:25:27 2011 From: ben.hengst at gmail.com (benh) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 00:25:27 -0700 Subject: [Pdx-pm] annon hash => list Message-ID: Ok here's another one, it's likely my continuing saga of ben vs autoviv but figured I would toss this to the list as well. Again I'm not trying to have a conversation on if having three stacked maps is readable, rather I would like to know what the design decision was that caused this. Why do I have to do an assignment to retain 'hash-ie-ness' of that outer hash? What bizzare list magic am I invoking with out knowing it? For some background on WHY, this is a HIGHLY simplified version of a data walker where I need alter the value of 'label' and 'key' but maintain the placement of value in relation to the freshly altered copies... if you really wanted to know. Anywho with out further yammering: https://gist.github.com/1250159 -- benh~ http://about.notbenh.info From ben.hengst at gmail.com Thu Sep 29 00:29:15 2011 From: ben.hengst at gmail.com (benh) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 00:29:15 -0700 Subject: [Pdx-pm] annon hash => list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: For everyone following at home, be sure to check the comments. Thanks again @schwern!!! On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 00:25, benh wrote: > Ok here's another one, it's likely my continuing saga of ben vs > autoviv but figured I would toss this to the list as well. Again I'm > not trying to have a conversation on if having three stacked maps is > readable, rather I would like to know what the design decision was > that caused this. Why do I have to do an assignment to retain > 'hash-ie-ness' of that outer hash? What bizzare list magic am I > invoking with out knowing it? > > For some background on WHY, this is a HIGHLY simplified version of a > data walker where I need alter the value of 'label' and 'key' but > maintain the placement of value in relation to the freshly altered > copies... if you really wanted to know. > > Anywho with out further yammering: > > https://gist.github.com/1250159 > > -- > benh~ > > http://about.notbenh.info > -- benh~ http://about.notbenh.info From enobacon at gmail.com Thu Sep 29 17:21:38 2011 From: enobacon at gmail.com (Seven till Seven) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 17:21:38 -0700 Subject: [Pdx-pm] October meeting in 2 weeks -- Shebangml: a markup language with bacon Message-ID: <201109291721.38406.enobacon@gmail.com> (Note the day change: 2nd Thursday of the month.) Thu. October 13th, 6:53pm at FreeGeek - 1731 SE 10th Ave. speaker: Eric Wilhelm Shebangml is a markup language[1] which saves programmers from gouging their eyes out on pointy angle brackets. Most pointy ML data (SGML/XML/XHTML/HTML) can be translated to and from this human-readable, bacony syntax. This allows modern programmers to interface with legacy software such as WWW browsers and other relics like "Enterprise Java Software". But the true power of shebangml lies in the '#!' (hash-bang/shebang) and its programmable templating features. Unlike most "don't make me write HTML" generators and markup replacements, hbml preserves the good parts of the quoting constructs and attributes+content nature of XML. This makes it not only a fine replacement for obsolete markup languages, but also an ideal foundation for new dialects and applications. The pluggable syntax and interpreter allow you to define static or dynamically loadable constructs, which allows your application to balance convenience features with security issues using clear separations. This presentation will cover the Shebangml syntax, the basics of the parser/interpreter module, the extensions API, and two real-world applications (the FreeTUIT declarative GUI toolkit and the presentation generator Text::Slidez.) [1] http://search.cpan.org/dist/Shebangml/lib/Shebangml/Syntax.pod As usual, the meeting will be followed by social hour at the Lucky Lab. -- http://pdx.pm.org