From david at kineticode.com  Thu Jul  2 10:10:28 2009
From: david at kineticode.com (David E. Wheeler)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 10:10:28 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Reminder: Perl 5 Hacking Tonight
Message-ID: <9975F9C4-50FC-4B60-88A6-5A8044A301E8@kineticode.com>

Just a quick reminder to everyone:

Join us 6:52 PM tonight at the Lucky Lab for an evening with the Perl  
5 source to help get 5.10.1 out the door. There are a number of tasks  
that need doing, including documentation fixes, fixes to dual-life  
CPAN modules, and the odd C coding if you're in to that sort of thing.  
Jonathan Leto has offered to do a quick "Git Crash Course" for those  
who need it, and discussed how we can focus on small, focused goals:

   http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/pdx-pm-list/2009-June/005535.html

See you there!

David

From schwern at pobox.com  Thu Jul  2 13:40:12 2009
From: schwern at pobox.com (Michael G Schwern)
Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 13:40:12 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] 5.10.1 code sprint
In-Reply-To: <9aaadf9c0906251642q5378d4dbk942b8ece147c0dab@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9aaadf9c0906251642q5378d4dbk942b8ece147c0dab@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A4D1B2C.2060508@pobox.com>

I won't be making it tonight, there's a PDX Hackathon scheduled at my place
tonight at 6.  It was scheduled a few weeks ago.  The idea being to have a
regular time/place to code in the same room, not necessarily on the same
project.  Something that's been missing in PDX even with all the user groups,
doubly so now that Cubespace is gone.

If it works out we plan on doing it weekly.  Feel free to crash it.


-- 
Defender of Lexical Encapsulation

From gorthx at gmail.com  Fri Jul  3 19:51:14 2009
From: gorthx at gmail.com (gabrielle)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 19:51:14 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Reminder: Perl 5 Hacking Tonight
In-Reply-To: <9975F9C4-50FC-4B60-88A6-5A8044A301E8@kineticode.com>
References: <9975F9C4-50FC-4B60-88A6-5A8044A301E8@kineticode.com>
Message-ID: <48bb92b0907031951u7103596fk1ffbc41daff1d702@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 10:10 AM, David E. Wheeler<david at kineticode.com> wrote:
> Join us 6:52 PM tonight at the Lucky Lab for an evening with the Perl 5
> source to help get 5.10.1 out the door.

This kicked ass.  Thanks, Jonathan, for organizing it!

Here's my recap:
http://www.baconandtech.com/2009/07/02/pdxpm-code-sprint-1/

When's the next one? :)

gabrielle

From david at kineticode.com  Fri Jul  3 21:21:27 2009
From: david at kineticode.com (David E. Wheeler)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 21:21:27 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Reminder: Perl 5 Hacking Tonight
In-Reply-To: <48bb92b0907031951u7103596fk1ffbc41daff1d702@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9975F9C4-50FC-4B60-88A6-5A8044A301E8@kineticode.com>
	<48bb92b0907031951u7103596fk1ffbc41daff1d702@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2A7AFF27-ACFA-47D3-A4A8-6081A7A06233@kineticode.com>

On Jul 3, 2009, at 7:51 PM, gabrielle wrote:

> This kicked ass.  Thanks, Jonathan, for organizing it!
>
> Here's my recap:
> http://www.baconandtech.com/2009/07/02/pdxpm-code-sprint-1/

And my notes:

   http://justatheory.com/computers/programming/perl/build-5.10-from-git.html

Best,

David

From ben.hengst at gmail.com  Fri Jul  3 22:03:22 2009
From: ben.hengst at gmail.com (benh)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 22:03:22 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Reminder: Perl 5 Hacking Tonight
In-Reply-To: <2A7AFF27-ACFA-47D3-A4A8-6081A7A06233@kineticode.com>
References: <9975F9C4-50FC-4B60-88A6-5A8044A301E8@kineticode.com>
	<48bb92b0907031951u7103596fk1ffbc41daff1d702@mail.gmail.com>
	<2A7AFF27-ACFA-47D3-A4A8-6081A7A06233@kineticode.com>
Message-ID: <85ddf48b0907032203r31ed483fkfb8ab448a5ef214c@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry I missed out sounds like everyone had a great time. I'll try and
play catchup so that I can hopefully make the next one.

On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 9:21 PM, David E. Wheeler<david at kineticode.com> wrote:
> On Jul 3, 2009, at 7:51 PM, gabrielle wrote:
>
>> This kicked ass. ?Thanks, Jonathan, for organizing it!
>>
>> Here's my recap:
>> http://www.baconandtech.com/2009/07/02/pdxpm-code-sprint-1/
>
> And my notes:
>
> ?http://justatheory.com/computers/programming/perl/build-5.10-from-git.html
>
> Best,
>
> David
> _______________________________________________
> Pdx-pm-list mailing list
> Pdx-pm-list at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pdx-pm-list
>



-- 
benh~

http://three.sentenc.es/

From enobacon at gmail.com  Mon Jul  6 08:58:33 2009
From: enobacon at gmail.com (Eric Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 08:58:33 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] meeting this wed. - topic needed
Message-ID: <200907060858.34152.enobacon@gmail.com>

Hi all,

We don't seem to have much momentum toward a meeting topic yet.  Anybody 
want to suggest/volunteer something?

The codesprint attendees might want to share what they learned about 
hacking the perl 5 core.  Perhaps we can also take some time for perl 6 
and the euler/shootout problems?

--Eric
-- 
Moving pianos is dangerous.
Moving pianos are dangerous.
Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo.
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From david at kineticode.com  Mon Jul  6 09:12:04 2009
From: david at kineticode.com (David E. Wheeler)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 09:12:04 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] meeting this wed. - topic needed
In-Reply-To: <200907060858.34152.enobacon@gmail.com>
References: <200907060858.34152.enobacon@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6AB31E49-FE4F-4A68-8389-FF8867059817@kineticode.com>

On Jul 6, 2009, at 8:58 AM, Eric Wilhelm wrote:

> We don't seem to have much momentum toward a meeting topic yet.   
> Anybody
> want to suggest/volunteer something?
>
> The codesprint attendees might want to share what they learned about
> hacking the perl 5 core.  Perhaps we can also take some time for  
> perl 6
> and the euler/shootout problems?

We could also do more Perl 5 code sprint. There's a lot to be done  
there, and there were only 4 of us there (Gabrielle and I being the  
n00bs).

Best,

David

From enobacon at gmail.com  Mon Jul  6 10:12:55 2009
From: enobacon at gmail.com (Eric Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 10:12:55 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] meeting this wed. - topic needed
In-Reply-To: <6AB31E49-FE4F-4A68-8389-FF8867059817@kineticode.com>
References: <200907060858.34152.enobacon@gmail.com>
	<6AB31E49-FE4F-4A68-8389-FF8867059817@kineticode.com>
Message-ID: <200907061012.55645.enobacon@gmail.com>

# from David E. Wheeler
# on Monday 06 July 2009 09:12:

>We could also do more Perl 5 code sprint. There's a lot to be done ?
>there, and there were only 4 of us there

It's been said that my "modules and cpan plumbing" mail last week 
sounded like an announcement rather than a suggestion.  But, I didn't 
get any volunteers to present on any of the suggested items.

I'm not sure if we can fit much of a code sprint into a meeting.  But 
I'm hoping that perhaps those of you who were there can share some of 
what you learned, which would make good pre-education for the next 
round.  Can we mix that together with the CPAN plumbing stuff and make 
an informational meeting of it?

Perhaps whoever comes gets to ask questions in the realm of "perl/CPAN 
infrastructure" and the rest of us will try to answer them?

--Eric
-- 
Chicken farmer's observation:  Clunk is the past tense of cluck.
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From jaleto at gmail.com  Mon Jul  6 10:26:34 2009
From: jaleto at gmail.com (Jonathan Leto)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 10:26:34 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] meeting this wed. - topic needed
In-Reply-To: <200907060858.34152.enobacon@gmail.com>
References: <200907060858.34152.enobacon@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9aaadf9c0907061026nd504a76l616876cf59aa3b21@mail.gmail.com>

Howdy,

I am up for talking about how to hack on perl 5 core, what we learned
at the codesprint and what is going to happen now that 5.10.1 is
pumpkingless.


Duke



On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 8:58 AM, Eric Wilhelm<enobacon at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> We don't seem to have much momentum toward a meeting topic yet. ?Anybody
> want to suggest/volunteer something?
>
> The codesprint attendees might want to share what they learned about
> hacking the perl 5 core. ?Perhaps we can also take some time for perl 6
> and the euler/shootout problems?
>
> --Eric
> --
> Moving pianos is dangerous.
> Moving pianos are dangerous.
> Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo.
> ---------------------------------------------------
> ? ?http://scratchcomputing.com
> ---------------------------------------------------
> _______________________________________________
> Pdx-pm-list mailing list
> Pdx-pm-list at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pdx-pm-list
>



-- 

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jonathan at leto.net
http://leto.net

From chromatic at wgz.org  Mon Jul  6 10:29:33 2009
From: chromatic at wgz.org (chromatic)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 10:29:33 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] meeting this wed. - topic needed
In-Reply-To: <9aaadf9c0907061026nd504a76l616876cf59aa3b21@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200907060858.34152.enobacon@gmail.com>
	<9aaadf9c0907061026nd504a76l616876cf59aa3b21@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200907061029.33855.chromatic@wgz.org>

On Monday 06 July 2009 10:26:34 Jonathan Leto wrote:

> I am up for talking about how to hack on perl 5 core, what we learned
> at the codesprint and what is going to happen now that 5.10.1 is
> pumpkingless.

I thought Dave Mitchell was the 5.10.1 pumpking.

-- c

From gorthx at gmail.com  Mon Jul  6 10:31:56 2009
From: gorthx at gmail.com (gabrielle)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 10:31:56 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] meeting this wed. - topic needed
In-Reply-To: <200907061012.55645.enobacon@gmail.com>
References: <200907060858.34152.enobacon@gmail.com>
	<6AB31E49-FE4F-4A68-8389-FF8867059817@kineticode.com>
	<200907061012.55645.enobacon@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48bb92b0907061031m10098a20ica5e1fe708236b66@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 10:12 AM, Eric Wilhelm<enobacon at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm not sure if we can fit much of a code sprint into a meeting. ?But
> I'm hoping that perhaps those of you who were there can share some of
> what you learned, which would make good pre-education for the next
> round. ?Can we mix that together with the CPAN plumbing stuff and make
> an informational meeting of it?

Yes.  (Duke - bring that git-perl-repo graphic! :) )

gabrielle

From jaleto at gmail.com  Mon Jul  6 10:36:03 2009
From: jaleto at gmail.com (Jonathan Leto)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 10:36:03 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] meeting this wed. - topic needed
In-Reply-To: <200907061029.33855.chromatic@wgz.org>
References: <200907060858.34152.enobacon@gmail.com>
	<9aaadf9c0907061026nd504a76l616876cf59aa3b21@mail.gmail.com> 
	<200907061029.33855.chromatic@wgz.org>
Message-ID: <9aaadf9c0907061036i504b6f72rb90d18b2ec054712@mail.gmail.com>

Howdy,

Yes, indeed you are right chromatic. rgs was the blead pumpking, not
the 5.10.1 pumpking.

Duke


On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 10:29 AM, chromatic<chromatic at wgz.org> wrote:
> On Monday 06 July 2009 10:26:34 Jonathan Leto wrote:
>
>> I am up for talking about how to hack on perl 5 core, what we learned
>> at the codesprint and what is going to happen now that 5.10.1 is
>> pumpkingless.
>
> I thought Dave Mitchell was the 5.10.1 pumpking.
>
> -- c
> _______________________________________________
> Pdx-pm-list mailing list
> Pdx-pm-list at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pdx-pm-list
>



-- 

Jonathan Leto
jonathan at leto.net
http://leto.net

From triddle at gmail.com  Mon Jul  6 10:55:22 2009
From: triddle at gmail.com (Tyler Riddle)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 10:55:22 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] meeting this wed. - topic needed
In-Reply-To: <9aaadf9c0907061026nd504a76l616876cf59aa3b21@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200907060858.34152.enobacon@gmail.com>
	<9aaadf9c0907061026nd504a76l616876cf59aa3b21@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f7203f150907061055r3f4607d9oeddf1b9e35f1dc16@mail.gmail.com>

I'd like to second such a notion.

Tyler

On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 10:26 AM, Jonathan Leto<jaleto at gmail.com> wrote:
> Howdy,
>
> I am up for talking about how to hack on perl 5 core, what we learned
> at the codesprint and what is going to happen now that 5.10.1 is
> pumpkingless.
>
>
> Duke
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 8:58 AM, Eric Wilhelm<enobacon at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> We don't seem to have much momentum toward a meeting topic yet. ?Anybody
>> want to suggest/volunteer something?
>>
>> The codesprint attendees might want to share what they learned about
>> hacking the perl 5 core. ?Perhaps we can also take some time for perl 6
>> and the euler/shootout problems?
>>
>> --Eric
>> --
>> Moving pianos is dangerous.
>> Moving pianos are dangerous.
>> Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo.
>> ---------------------------------------------------
>> ? ?http://scratchcomputing.com
>> ---------------------------------------------------
>> _______________________________________________
>> Pdx-pm-list mailing list
>> Pdx-pm-list at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pdx-pm-list
>>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Jonathan Leto
> jonathan at leto.net
> http://leto.net
> _______________________________________________
> Pdx-pm-list mailing list
> Pdx-pm-list at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pdx-pm-list
>



-- 
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From hdp.perl.pm.pdx at weftsoar.net  Mon Jul  6 10:59:15 2009
From: hdp.perl.pm.pdx at weftsoar.net (Hans Dieter Pearcey)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 13:59:15 -0400
Subject: [Pdx-pm] meeting this wed. - topic needed
In-Reply-To: <200907061012.55645.enobacon@gmail.com>
References: <200907060858.34152.enobacon@gmail.com>
	<6AB31E49-FE4F-4A68-8389-FF8867059817@kineticode.com>
	<200907061012.55645.enobacon@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090706175915.GQ9301@glaive.weftsoar.net>

On Mon, Jul 06, 2009 at 10:12:55AM -0700, Eric Wilhelm wrote:
> I'm not sure if we can fit much of a code sprint into a meeting.  But 
> I'm hoping that perhaps those of you who were there can share some of 
> what you learned, which would make good pre-education for the next 
> round.  Can we mix that together with the CPAN plumbing stuff and make 
> an informational meeting of it?
> 
> Perhaps whoever comes gets to ask questions in the realm of "perl/CPAN 
> infrastructure" and the rest of us will try to answer them?

I can speak extemporaneously on a good bit of the CPAN infrastructure, but I
don't have any presentations handy, which is (I think) why I didn't say
anything before.

hdp.

From enobacon at gmail.com  Mon Jul  6 13:02:39 2009
From: enobacon at gmail.com (Eric Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 13:02:39 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] meeting this wed. - topic needed
In-Reply-To: <20090706175915.GQ9301@glaive.weftsoar.net>
References: <200907060858.34152.enobacon@gmail.com>
	<200907061012.55645.enobacon@gmail.com>
	<20090706175915.GQ9301@glaive.weftsoar.net>
Message-ID: <200907061302.39207.enobacon@gmail.com>

# from Hans Dieter Pearcey
# on Monday 06 July 2009 10:59:

>I can speak extemporaneously on a good bit of the CPAN infrastructure,
> but I don't have any presentations handy, which is (I think) why I
> didn't say anything before.

It's fine if you don't have slides, or even if you just have a few urls 
or a live tour in mind (as long as you can type dvorak or get there 
early enough that you'll no trouble hooking to the projector.)

Of course, this all assumes that we would have a projector.  And aren't 
we relegated to the classroom this month?

--Eric
-- 
"...the bourgeoisie were hated from both ends: by the proles, because
they had all the money, and by the intelligentsia, because of their
tendency to spend it on lawn ornaments."
--Neal Stephenson
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From hdp.perl.pm.pdx at weftsoar.net  Mon Jul  6 13:08:48 2009
From: hdp.perl.pm.pdx at weftsoar.net (Hans Dieter Pearcey)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 16:08:48 -0400
Subject: [Pdx-pm] meeting this wed. - topic needed
In-Reply-To: <200907061302.39207.enobacon@gmail.com>
References: <200907060858.34152.enobacon@gmail.com>
	<200907061012.55645.enobacon@gmail.com>
	<20090706175915.GQ9301@glaive.weftsoar.net>
	<200907061302.39207.enobacon@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090706200848.GT9301@glaive.weftsoar.net>

On Mon, Jul 06, 2009 at 01:02:39PM -0700, Eric Wilhelm wrote:
> It's fine if you don't have slides, or even if you just have a few urls 
> or a live tour in mind (as long as you can type dvorak or get there 
> early enough that you'll no trouble hooking to the projector.)

I can't type dvorak, and I'd have to borrow someone's laptop; I was using a
laptop from OpenSourcery, and I've ordered a replacement, but it hasn't arrived
yet.

hdp.

From jacob at technosorcery.net  Mon Jul  6 14:20:34 2009
From: jacob at technosorcery.net (Jacob Helwig)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 14:20:34 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] meeting this wed. - topic needed
In-Reply-To: <20090706200848.GT9301@glaive.weftsoar.net>
References: <200907060858.34152.enobacon@gmail.com>
	<200907061012.55645.enobacon@gmail.com> 
	<20090706175915.GQ9301@glaive.weftsoar.net>
	<200907061302.39207.enobacon@gmail.com> 
	<20090706200848.GT9301@glaive.weftsoar.net>
Message-ID: <8c9a060907061420s5eda0154g73f1cf5f6e5f1049@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 13:08, Hans Dieter
Pearcey<hdp.perl.pm.pdx at weftsoar.net> wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 06, 2009 at 01:02:39PM -0700, Eric Wilhelm wrote:
>> It's fine if you don't have slides, or even if you just have a few urls
>> or a live tour in mind (as long as you can type dvorak or get there
>> early enough that you'll no trouble hooking to the projector.)
>
> I can't type dvorak, and I'd have to borrow someone's laptop; I was using a
> laptop from OpenSourcery, and I've ordered a replacement, but it hasn't arrived
> yet.
>
> hdp.
> _______________________________________________
> Pdx-pm-list mailing list
> Pdx-pm-list at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pdx-pm-list
>

I'll have a non-dvorak laptop that I could let you borrow.

From enobacon at gmail.com  Mon Jul  6 16:26:53 2009
From: enobacon at gmail.com (Eric Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 16:26:53 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] meeting this wed. - speakers needed
In-Reply-To: <8c9a060907061420s5eda0154g73f1cf5f6e5f1049@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200907060858.34152.enobacon@gmail.com>
	<20090706200848.GT9301@glaive.weftsoar.net>
	<8c9a060907061420s5eda0154g73f1cf5f6e5f1049@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200907061626.54070.enobacon@gmail.com>

# from Jacob Helwig
# on Monday 06 July 2009 14:20:

>I'll have a non-dvorak laptop that I could let you borrow.

Mine can actually be switched into non-dvorak mode.  I was just making 
the point that we'll need to get some of this stuff worked-out in 
advance if we'll be switching presenters frequently during the meeting.

Of course, that all still assumes that we have a projector available, 
which might not be the case.

--Eric
-- 
But you can never get 3n from n, ever, and if you think you can, please
email me the stock ticker of your company so I can short it.
--Joel Spolsky
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From enobacon at gmail.com  Wed Jul  8 11:08:39 2009
From: enobacon at gmail.com (Seven till Seven)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 11:08:39 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] CPAN and Core Q&A - meeting tonight
Message-ID: <200907081108.40090.enobacon@gmail.com>


  Wed July 8th, 6:53pm at FreeGeek -- 1731 SE 10th Ave.

speaker: anyone and everyone 

Possible topics:

  * configuring your CPAN/CPANPLUS client
  * what makes a module
  * what happens when you install a module (where does stuff go?)
  * what happens when you load a module
  * how to make a distribution
  * how distributions get on the CPAN (PAUSE)
  * how distributions get found by the CPAN client
  * what a distribution contains, metadata
  * understanding core/vendor/site @INC directories

HDP will talk a bit about CPAN infrastructure. Jonathan and other 
attendees from last week's code sprint will share some of what they 
learned about hacking the perl 5 core. 

Bring your own questions (and maybe some answers.)  Anyone who shows up 
gets to ask questions and everyone else has to try to answer them.

Tom has volunteered to bring a projector.

Plus: Rakudo shootout|euler challenge ? benchmarking Perl 6.  If anyone 
solves a problem from the http://projecteuler.net/ or 
http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/ using perl 6, we'll review that at 
the beginning of the meeting.  If you choose an euler problem, a perl 5 
implementation would be useful for benchmarking, but the goal is to 
write in perl 6 and run it on the latest rakudo.

As always, the meeting will be followed by social hour at the LuckyLab.
-- 

        http://pdx.pm.org

From jaleto at gmail.com  Wed Jul  8 16:42:16 2009
From: jaleto at gmail.com (Jonathan Leto)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 16:42:16 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Comparing Rakudo and Perl 5 with Euler Project Problems
Message-ID: <9aaadf9c0907081642r20888f01gfb9c5038053f3b8e@mail.gmail.com>

Howdy,

Here are two solutions to Euler Problem #1 [0], one in Rakudo, the
other in Perl 5:

$ time ./perl6 -e 'say [+] grep { $_ % 3 == 0 or $_ % 5 == 0}, (1..1000);'
234168

real	0m8.819s
user	0m3.193s
sys	0m0.256s

$ time perl -e 'map { $sum+=$_ } grep { $_ % 3 == 0 or $_ % 5 == 0 }
(1..1000); print "$sum\n"'
234168

real	0m0.016s
user	0m0.004s
sys	0m0.008s

It is also interesting to time the interpreter load time:

$ time perl -e42

real	0m0.013s
user	0m0.002s
sys	0m0.007s

$ time ./perl6 -e42

real	0m2.054s
user	0m1.503s
sys	0m0.192s

Disregarding interpreter load time, it seems that Perl 5 is currently
about 600 times faster for this algorithm.


[0] http://projecteuler.net/index.php?section=problems&id=1

-- 

Jonathan Leto
jonathan at leto.net
http://leto.net

From david at kineticode.com  Wed Jul  8 22:54:06 2009
From: david at kineticode.com (David E. Wheeler)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 22:54:06 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] OpenBSD?
Message-ID: <95DA2C05-C337-4E12-B275-FD6305D32F16@kineticode.com>

Fellow Mongers,

Anyone got an OpenBSD box I could get access to in order to build  
maint perl and try to fix a test failure in File::Copy?

Thanks,

David

From schwern at pobox.com  Thu Jul  9 00:03:58 2009
From: schwern at pobox.com (Michael G Schwern)
Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 00:03:58 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Hackathon again tomorrow night (Thursday)
Message-ID: <4A55965E.5080309@pobox.com>

We're doing another hackathon tomorrow (Thursday) night at the Lab.

When:   6:30pm to at least 10pm probably midnight
Where:  Lucky Lab on Hawthorne
Why:    More 5.10.1 work, perl5i, your project

It doesn't all have to be about 5.10, you can bring your own project and work
on it.  Hack in the presence of other programmers (and beer) or just watch.


-- 
I'm pale as Formica, social skills stunted small. But I'm accurate
like a pica, I know the capital of Nepal. I'm the nemesis of error,
dreadful diction fears my skills, more inquisitive than Jim Lehrer,
snottier than Beverly Hills.
    -- I.L.O.P. Secret Rap  http://goats.com/archive/020830.html


From ben.hengst at gmail.com  Thu Jul  9 20:25:12 2009
From: ben.hengst at gmail.com (benh)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 20:25:12 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] euler_bench on github
Message-ID: <85ddf48b0907092025n684d1b86haf9a8a7b2fc75cb1@mail.gmail.com>

after some poking from eric I shoved my solutions from last night and
dukeleto's perl6 solution for #1 up, feel edit/fork/complain as you
feel necessary.

http://github.com/notbenh/euler_bench/tree/master

-- 
benh~

http://three.sentenc.es/

From pjf at perltraining.com.au  Sun Jul 12 20:44:45 2009
From: pjf at perltraining.com.au (Paul Fenwick)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 13:44:45 +1000
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Paul and Jacinta are coming to Portland
Message-ID: <4A5AADAD.7060309@perltraining.com.au>

(Sent to PDX.pm and BCC'ed to a stack of friends.  If you get this twice,
then it means I think you're doubly awesome.)

G'day Portland people!

As some of you may already know, Jacinta Richardson and myself are coming to
Portland (from Australia!).  From Thursday 16th until Sunday 19th, we'll be
in town and indifferent to jetlag.  Selena has shown herself to be the
epitome of awesome, and is letting us crash at her house during our stay.

We'll be at Ignite Portland on the evening of Thursday 16th, and Beer & Blog
on the evening of Friday 17th.  On Sunday, 19th we're flying to San Jose for
OSCON in the mid-afternoon.  At all other times, we're free[1]!

If you'd like to meet up, we'd love to see you, either individually or as a
group.  I'm fond of coding, beer, rhythm games (eg, Rock Band or StepMania),
mushroom hunting, cycling, adventuring, anything that I haven't done before,
and most of all, people.

I could be convinced to give a talk at a tech event if needed, provided it's
short (20 minutes), Perl related, and I get to pick the subject. ;)

While we're in Portland, we can be reached on-line via:

	XMPP:   pjf at jabber.org
	Skype:  pjfenwick
	Email:  pjf at perltraining.com.au

Hope to see you soon!

	Paul

[1] Or working on our conference talks.  One of these days I'm going to
arrive at a conference with these already finished.

-- 
Paul Fenwick <pjf at perltraining.com.au> | http://perltraining.com.au/
Director of Training                   | Ph:  +61 3 9354 6001
Perl Training Australia                | Fax: +61 3 9354 2681


From david at kineticode.com  Mon Jul 13 17:25:54 2009
From: david at kineticode.com (David E. Wheeler)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 17:25:54 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Paul and Jacinta are coming to Portland
In-Reply-To: <4A5AADAD.7060309@perltraining.com.au>
References: <4A5AADAD.7060309@perltraining.com.au>
Message-ID: <DDFC6E38-57F4-450C-9B2E-7D9A32A47047@kineticode.com>

On Jul 12, 2009, at 8:44 PM, Paul Fenwick wrote:

> (Sent to PDX.pm and BCC'ed to a stack of friends.  If you get this  
> twice,
> then it means I think you're doubly awesome.)

Clearly I suck.

> We'll be at Ignite Portland on the evening of Thursday 16th, and  
> Beer & Blog
> on the evening of Friday 17th.  On Sunday, 19th we're flying to San  
> Jose for
> OSCON in the mid-afternoon.  At all other times, we're free[1]!

Sounds like a pretty bloody packed schedule already.

> If you'd like to meet up, we'd love to see you, either individually  
> or as a
> group.  I'm fond of coding, beer, rhythm games (eg, Rock Band or  
> StepMania),
> mushroom hunting, cycling, adventuring, anything that I haven't done  
> before,
> and most of all, people.

Schwern, are you having the hackathon at the Lab again on Thursday?  
That might be a good time to meet up and hack in general with a bunch  
of geeks, after Ignite.

> I could be convinced to give a talk at a tech event if needed,  
> provided it's
> short (20 minutes), Perl related, and I get to pick the subject. ;)

I'm in if that's also on Thursday.

Best,

David

From pjf at perltraining.com.au  Mon Jul 13 19:26:43 2009
From: pjf at perltraining.com.au (Paul Fenwick)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 12:26:43 +1000
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Paul and Jacinta are coming to Portland
In-Reply-To: <DDFC6E38-57F4-450C-9B2E-7D9A32A47047@kineticode.com>
References: <4A5AADAD.7060309@perltraining.com.au>
	<DDFC6E38-57F4-450C-9B2E-7D9A32A47047@kineticode.com>
Message-ID: <4A5BECE3.2070009@perltraining.com.au>

G'day David / PDX,

David E. Wheeler wrote:

> Clearly I suck.

Definitely not!

> Sounds like a pretty bloody packed schedule already.

Only in the evenings.  Of course, that's when people who have real jobs and
lives tend to have free time.  ;)

> Schwern, are you having the hackathon at the Lab again on Thursday? That
> might be a good time to meet up and hack in general with a bunch of
> geeks, after Ignite.

This sounds fantasstic if it happens!  If not, well, I can always pull out
the "I've come all the way from Australia just to go to Ignite!" line, which
works great for spawning secondary invitations[1]. ;)

All the best,

	Paul

[1] This is my fallback plan during the day.  "I've come all the way from
Australia just to visit er... (checks sign) Joe's Discount Coffee..."

-- 
Paul Fenwick <pjf at perltraining.com.au> | http://perltraining.com.au/
Director of Training                   | Ph:  +61 3 9354 6001
Perl Training Australia                | Fax: +61 3 9354 2681

From david at kineticode.com  Mon Jul 13 20:06:12 2009
From: david at kineticode.com (David E. Wheeler)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 20:06:12 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Paul and Jacinta are coming to Portland
In-Reply-To: <4A5BECE3.2070009@perltraining.com.au>
References: <4A5AADAD.7060309@perltraining.com.au>
	<DDFC6E38-57F4-450C-9B2E-7D9A32A47047@kineticode.com>
	<4A5BECE3.2070009@perltraining.com.au>
Message-ID: <19C4DB9D-F559-44B4-861A-C6C6D5A674F5@kineticode.com>

On Jul 13, 2009, at 7:26 PM, Paul Fenwick wrote:

> [1] This is my fallback plan during the day.  "I've come all the way  
> from
> Australia just to visit er... (checks sign) Joe's Discount Coffee..."

[Stumptown](http://www.stumptowncoffee.com/).

Best,

David

From schwern at pobox.com  Mon Jul 13 22:07:35 2009
From: schwern at pobox.com (Michael G Schwern)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 22:07:35 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Paul and Jacinta are coming to Portland
In-Reply-To: <DDFC6E38-57F4-450C-9B2E-7D9A32A47047@kineticode.com>
References: <4A5AADAD.7060309@perltraining.com.au>
	<DDFC6E38-57F4-450C-9B2E-7D9A32A47047@kineticode.com>
Message-ID: <4A5C1297.4070206@pobox.com>

David E. Wheeler wrote:
> Schwern, are you having the hackathon at the Lab again on Thursday? That
> might be a good time to meet up and hack in general with a bunch of
> geeks, after Ignite.

Yeah, though I was pondering a better location.  The Lab is great but a little
loud which I'm sure turns off a certain group of people.  I was thinking about
the NW Lab on 19th and Quimby.  It has a large, separated room like the SE Lab
does, but even bigger.

If anyone else has suggestions, prerequisites for a meeting space are, from
most to least important:

* Power
* Internet
* Comfy seating for 5-10 people with laptops
* Tolerance for the above
* Relatively quiet
* Food/drink refreshment


-- 
On error resume stupid

From jaleto at gmail.com  Wed Jul 15 03:44:20 2009
From: jaleto at gmail.com (Jonathan Leto)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 10:44:20 -0000
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Google Announces Nine Students in GSoC2009 with The Perl
	Foundation
Message-ID: <9aaadf9c0904210925q267a0da5x4a7ca28e3afb04f2@mail.gmail.com>

Howdy,

I have the extreme pleasure to announce that the Google Summer of Code
2009 has officially started and The Perl Foundation will be mentoring
9 students this year in a variety of projects. A breakdown of each
student project and mentor with links to the project abstract can be
found at [1]. If you would like to keep up with recent updates, then
subscribe to this RSS feed [2]. If you would like to get a little more
involved, come join us in #soc-help on irc.perl.org or join the
tpf-gsoc-students list [3].

[1] http://leto.net/dukeleto.pl/2009/04/google-announces-nine-students-in-gsoc2009-with-the-perl-fou.html
[2] http://leto.net/dukeleto.pl/atom.xml
[3] http://groups.google.com/group/tpf-gsoc-students


Thanks to everyone involved, including students with projects that
were not accepted. We had a limited number of spots and some very good
applications could not be accepted. With a bit more spit and polish
some would be a great fit for a TPF grant. Thank you to *everyone* who
applied, and if you did not get accepted this year, you can still
implement your project and become part of the community, without
getting paid. I promise, we don't bite.

Stay tuned for further updates.

Cheers,

-- 

Jonathan Leto
jonathan at leto.net
http://leto.net


From david at kineticode.com  Thu Jul 16 09:38:09 2009
From: david at kineticode.com (David E. Wheeler)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 09:38:09 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Paul and Jacinta are coming to Portland
In-Reply-To: <4A5C1297.4070206@pobox.com>
References: <4A5AADAD.7060309@perltraining.com.au>
	<DDFC6E38-57F4-450C-9B2E-7D9A32A47047@kineticode.com>
	<4A5C1297.4070206@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <35BE2963-9637-4360-B69B-0E5608490206@kineticode.com>

On Jul 13, 2009, at 10:07 PM, Michael G Schwern wrote:

> Yeah, though I was pondering a better location.  The Lab is great  
> but a little
> loud which I'm sure turns off a certain group of people.  I was  
> thinking about
> the NW Lab on 19th and Quimby.  It has a large, separated room like  
> the SE Lab
> does, but even bigger.


So is that the plan? Where are these hackathons advertised, BTW?

David

From ben.hengst at gmail.com  Thu Jul 16 09:48:45 2009
From: ben.hengst at gmail.com (benh)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 09:48:45 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Paul and Jacinta are coming to Portland
In-Reply-To: <35BE2963-9637-4360-B69B-0E5608490206@kineticode.com>
References: <4A5AADAD.7060309@perltraining.com.au>
	<DDFC6E38-57F4-450C-9B2E-7D9A32A47047@kineticode.com>
	<4A5C1297.4070206@pobox.com>
	<35BE2963-9637-4360-B69B-0E5608490206@kineticode.com>
Message-ID: <85ddf48b0907160948u3c45f2adh6e0ea4fa4befdfcc@mail.gmail.com>

PDX Weekly Hackathon
http://calagator.org/events/1250457430

I'm thinking that I'm going to avoid the mob at IP6, so I'll likely be
at the lab if any one wants to swing by. I don't know what Schwern's
plans are though.

On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 09:38, David E. Wheeler<david at kineticode.com> wrote:
> On Jul 13, 2009, at 10:07 PM, Michael G Schwern wrote:
>
>> Yeah, though I was pondering a better location. ?The Lab is great but a
>> little
>> loud which I'm sure turns off a certain group of people. ?I was thinking
>> about
>> the NW Lab on 19th and Quimby. ?It has a large, separated room like the SE
>> Lab
>> does, but even bigger.
>
>
> So is that the plan? Where are these hackathons advertised, BTW?
>
> David
> _______________________________________________
> Pdx-pm-list mailing list
> Pdx-pm-list at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pdx-pm-list
>



-- 
benh~

http://three.sentenc.es/

From ben.hengst at gmail.com  Thu Jul 16 09:52:44 2009
From: ben.hengst at gmail.com (benh)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 09:52:44 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Paul and Jacinta are coming to Portland
In-Reply-To: <85ddf48b0907160948u3c45f2adh6e0ea4fa4befdfcc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A5AADAD.7060309@perltraining.com.au>
	<DDFC6E38-57F4-450C-9B2E-7D9A32A47047@kineticode.com>
	<4A5C1297.4070206@pobox.com>
	<35BE2963-9637-4360-B69B-0E5608490206@kineticode.com>
	<85ddf48b0907160948u3c45f2adh6e0ea4fa4befdfcc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <85ddf48b0907160952n5b810639k99acb6970080eca5@mail.gmail.com>

Ohh I should also note, it's become some what habitual to head over to
the carts and get some Wiffies.

On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 09:48, benh<ben.hengst at gmail.com> wrote:
> PDX Weekly Hackathon
> http://calagator.org/events/1250457430
>
> I'm thinking that I'm going to avoid the mob at IP6, so I'll likely be
> at the lab if any one wants to swing by. I don't know what Schwern's
> plans are though.
>
> On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 09:38, David E. Wheeler<david at kineticode.com> wrote:
>> On Jul 13, 2009, at 10:07 PM, Michael G Schwern wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, though I was pondering a better location. ?The Lab is great but a
>>> little
>>> loud which I'm sure turns off a certain group of people. ?I was thinking
>>> about
>>> the NW Lab on 19th and Quimby. ?It has a large, separated room like the SE
>>> Lab
>>> does, but even bigger.
>>
>>
>> So is that the plan? Where are these hackathons advertised, BTW?
>>
>> David
>> _______________________________________________
>> Pdx-pm-list mailing list
>> Pdx-pm-list at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pdx-pm-list
>>
>
>
>
> --
> benh~
>
> http://three.sentenc.es/
>



-- 
benh~

http://three.sentenc.es/

From jeff at zeroclue.com  Thu Jul 16 13:53:22 2009
From: jeff at zeroclue.com (Jeff Lavallee)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:53:22 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Paul and Jacinta are coming to Portland
In-Reply-To: <85ddf48b0907160948u3c45f2adh6e0ea4fa4befdfcc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A5AADAD.7060309@perltraining.com.au>
	<DDFC6E38-57F4-450C-9B2E-7D9A32A47047@kineticode.com>
	<4A5C1297.4070206@pobox.com>
	<35BE2963-9637-4360-B69B-0E5608490206@kineticode.com>
	<85ddf48b0907160948u3c45f2adh6e0ea4fa4befdfcc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7E395B05-8D46-4D76-80BB-6DBACDF9BE39@zeroclue.com>

Are we still at the east-side Lucky Lab this week?




On Jul 16, 2009, at 9:48 AM, benh wrote:

> PDX Weekly Hackathon
> http://calagator.org/events/1250457430
>
> I'm thinking that I'm going to avoid the mob at IP6, so I'll likely be
> at the lab if any one wants to swing by. I don't know what Schwern's
> plans are though.
>
> On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 09:38, David E.  
> Wheeler<david at kineticode.com> wrote:
>> On Jul 13, 2009, at 10:07 PM, Michael G Schwern wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, though I was pondering a better location.  The Lab is great  
>>> but a
>>> little
>>> loud which I'm sure turns off a certain group of people.  I was  
>>> thinking
>>> about
>>> the NW Lab on 19th and Quimby.  It has a large, separated room  
>>> like the SE
>>> Lab
>>> does, but even bigger.
>>
>>
>> So is that the plan? Where are these hackathons advertised, BTW?
>>
>> David
>> _______________________________________________
>> Pdx-pm-list mailing list
>> Pdx-pm-list at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pdx-pm-list
>>
>
>
>
> -- 
> benh~
>
> http://three.sentenc.es/
> _______________________________________________
> Pdx-pm-list mailing list
> Pdx-pm-list at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pdx-pm-list


From enobacon at gmail.com  Thu Jul 16 15:26:48 2009
From: enobacon at gmail.com (Eric Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 15:26:48 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] hacking at the lucky lab tonight
In-Reply-To: <7E395B05-8D46-4D76-80BB-6DBACDF9BE39@zeroclue.com>
References: <4A5AADAD.7060309@perltraining.com.au>
	<85ddf48b0907160948u3c45f2adh6e0ea4fa4befdfcc@mail.gmail.com>
	<7E395B05-8D46-4D76-80BB-6DBACDF9BE39@zeroclue.com>
Message-ID: <200907161526.48934.enobacon@gmail.com>

# from Jeff Lavallee
# on Thursday 16 July 2009 13:53:

>Are we still at the east-side Lucky Lab this week?

Yes.

There's also a PostGIS presentation at the postgres group at Free Geek 
tonight.

--Eric
-- 
"Insert random misquote here"
---------------------------------------------------
    http://scratchcomputing.com
---------------------------------------------------

From outgoing at SolutionsCreative.com  Mon Jul 20 21:17:44 2009
From: outgoing at SolutionsCreative.com (Richard Fobes)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 21:17:44 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Thanks for help with Language::Dashrep CPAN module
Message-ID: <1248149864.3885.32.camel@linuxpc.moonstone>

I want to thank those of you who helped me a few months ago when I was
creating my first CPAN module.  I especially want to publicly thank Eric
Wilhelm for his help verbally answering my questions.  Thank you!

The CPAN module I created is Language::Dashrep. It implements the
Dashrep descriptive programming language, which I developed over a
number of years.  It has saved me lots of programming time, and I hope
it can save time for other programmers.

Details about the language are at: www.Dashrep.org

In terms of functionality, the module recursively expands hyphenated
phrases, somewhat in a macro-like way.

One interesting characteristic is that it uses just one symbol -- the
dash (aka hyphen) -- in it's basic syntax.  (A couple of other symbols
become significant in some circumstances that also involve dashes.)
This characteristic makes it useful for flexibly generating code in
other languages, including XML, HTML, and JavaScript.

Again, thanks to those of you on this mailing list who helped out!

Richard Fobes
Author of "The Creative Problem Solver's Toolbox"
www.Fovationz.com



From jaleto at gmail.com  Mon Jul 20 23:52:52 2009
From: jaleto at gmail.com (Jonathan Leto)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 23:52:52 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Thanks for help with Language::Dashrep CPAN module
In-Reply-To: <1248149864.3885.32.camel@linuxpc.moonstone>
References: <1248149864.3885.32.camel@linuxpc.moonstone>
Message-ID: <9aaadf9c0907202352y2d431ceag4414517cdbeab524@mail.gmail.com>

Howdy,

Have you considered porting this to run on the Parrot Virtual Machine?
It might be a fun project for the interested reader :)

Cheers,

Duke



On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 9:17 PM, Richard
Fobes<outgoing at solutionscreative.com> wrote:
> I want to thank those of you who helped me a few months ago when I was
> creating my first CPAN module. ?I especially want to publicly thank Eric
> Wilhelm for his help verbally answering my questions. ?Thank you!
>
> The CPAN module I created is Language::Dashrep. It implements the
> Dashrep descriptive programming language, which I developed over a
> number of years. ?It has saved me lots of programming time, and I hope
> it can save time for other programmers.
>
> Details about the language are at: www.Dashrep.org
>
> In terms of functionality, the module recursively expands hyphenated
> phrases, somewhat in a macro-like way.
>
> One interesting characteristic is that it uses just one symbol -- the
> dash (aka hyphen) -- in it's basic syntax. ?(A couple of other symbols
> become significant in some circumstances that also involve dashes.)
> This characteristic makes it useful for flexibly generating code in
> other languages, including XML, HTML, and JavaScript.
>
> Again, thanks to those of you on this mailing list who helped out!
>
> Richard Fobes
> Author of "The Creative Problem Solver's Toolbox"
> www.Fovationz.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Pdx-pm-list mailing list
> Pdx-pm-list at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pdx-pm-list
>



-- 

Jonathan Leto
jonathan at leto.net
http://leto.net

From outgoing at SolutionsCreative.com  Tue Jul 21 13:02:46 2009
From: outgoing at SolutionsCreative.com (Richard Fobes)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 13:02:46 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Thanks for help with Language::Dashrep CPAN module
In-Reply-To: <9aaadf9c0907202352y2d431ceag4414517cdbeab524@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1248149864.3885.32.camel@linuxpc.moonstone>
	<9aaadf9c0907202352y2d431ceag4414517cdbeab524@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1248206566.3885.90.camel@linuxpc.moonstone>

> From: Jonathan Leto <jaleto at gmail.com>

> Have you considered porting this to run on the Parrot Virtual Machine?
> It might be a fun project for the interested reader :)

Currently I'm looking for project work, so if someone wants to pay me to
port the Dashrep code to any platform, including Parrot
assembly-language code running on the Parrot virtual machine, I would
love to do that.  Of course the platform must support regular-expression
matching and replacing.

To facilitate porting the Dashrep code to C, I intentionally wrote the
code in a subset of Perl that is close to C, except for the handling of
strings and regular expressions and hash arrays, all of which can be
converted into calls to C library functions.

For perspective, my specialty is creating what is new and has value.
Currently I'm juggling several such non-paid creative projects.  For
examples of past creative projects, see www.NegotiationTool.com and
www.VoteFair.org. The Dashrep language is a byproduct of those two
projects.  It saved lots of programming time -- although possibly not if
I count the time I spent creating the language.  And I'm ignoring the
time I wasted in an attempt to add executable functionality to the
language.

Richard Fobes
Author of "The Creative Problem Solver's Toolbox"



From keithl at kl-ic.com  Wed Jul 22 10:51:54 2009
From: keithl at kl-ic.com (Keith Lofstrom)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 10:51:54 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Testing WYDIWYS
Message-ID: <20090722175154.GA7163@gate.kl-ic.com>

I need some Mac help!

WYDIWYS ( What You Draw Is What You See ) is a webslide image
presentation tool, with some ideas stolen from Eric Wilhelm's
Text::Slidez .  It uses keyCodes to navigate.  I've tested it
with Firefox on Linux, and Firefox, IE8, and Chrome on Win7 .

I don't have a Mac, but I would like to know what it does with
Safari (you will need to enable Javascript and Flash).  MacMongers,
if you would be so very kind,  please point your web browser at:

  http://server-sky.com/wydiwys 

Look at the usage instructions, then start the presentation:

  http://server-sky.com/slides/wydiwys_demo/

Let me know if the keyboard navigation works.  Extra bonus points
if you have a USB wireless presenter and try that as well.

If this works right, the testing should only take a minute or two.

Keith

P.S. - the actual wydiwys presentation synthesis code is written
(I use the term loosely) in Perl, making it vaguely relevant to
this list.  Please do not look at the code within 4 hours of eating,
as I am a PerlMangler, only wishing to be a PerlMonger.

-- 
Keith Lofstrom          keithl at keithl.com         Voice (503)-520-1993
KLIC --- Keith Lofstrom Integrated Circuits --- "Your Ideas in Silicon"
Design Contracting in Bipolar and CMOS - Analog, Digital, and Scan ICs

From list at phaedrusdeinus.org  Wed Jul 22 11:04:39 2009
From: list at phaedrusdeinus.org (John Melesky)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 11:04:39 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Testing WYDIWYS
In-Reply-To: <20090722175154.GA7163@gate.kl-ic.com>
References: <20090722175154.GA7163@gate.kl-ic.com>
Message-ID: <9575ED57-9CE5-49B0-9D9B-F609EB80C90B@phaedrusdeinus.org>

On Jul 22, 2009, at 10:51 AM, Keith Lofstrom wrote:
> Let me know if the keyboard navigation works.  Extra bonus points
> if you have a USB wireless presenter and try that as well.

Seems to work fine for me, on a mac (10.5, aka Leopard), in:

OmniWeb
Safari (4ish)
Chromium (3ish) except for the flash, which apparently isn't installed  
in Chromium by default
Firefox (3ish)
Firefox (3.5ish)

-johnnnnnn



From jeff at zeroclue.com  Wed Jul 22 11:12:00 2009
From: jeff at zeroclue.com (Jeff Lavallee)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 11:12:00 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Testing WYDIWYS
In-Reply-To: <9575ED57-9CE5-49B0-9D9B-F609EB80C90B@phaedrusdeinus.org>
References: <20090722175154.GA7163@gate.kl-ic.com>
	<9575ED57-9CE5-49B0-9D9B-F609EB80C90B@phaedrusdeinus.org>
Message-ID: <159E69B6-D819-46FE-9A81-D1EA411B537E@zeroclue.com>

Also seems to work fine for me, only tested Safari 4.0.2 on OS X 10.5.7

Don't have a usb wireless presenter though.


On Jul 22, 2009, at 11:04 AM, John Melesky wrote:

> On Jul 22, 2009, at 10:51 AM, Keith Lofstrom wrote:
>> Let me know if the keyboard navigation works.  Extra bonus points
>> if you have a USB wireless presenter and try that as well.
>
> Seems to work fine for me, on a mac (10.5, aka Leopard), in:
>
> OmniWeb
> Safari (4ish)
> Chromium (3ish) except for the flash, which apparently isn't  
> installed in Chromium by default
> Firefox (3ish)
> Firefox (3.5ish)
>
> -johnnnnnn
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Pdx-pm-list mailing list
> Pdx-pm-list at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pdx-pm-list


From keithl at kl-ic.com  Wed Jul 22 11:55:02 2009
From: keithl at kl-ic.com (Keith Lofstrom)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 11:55:02 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Testing WYDIWYS
In-Reply-To: <159E69B6-D819-46FE-9A81-D1EA411B537E@zeroclue.com>
References: <20090722175154.GA7163@gate.kl-ic.com>
	<9575ED57-9CE5-49B0-9D9B-F609EB80C90B@phaedrusdeinus.org>
	<159E69B6-D819-46FE-9A81-D1EA411B537E@zeroclue.com>
Message-ID: <20090722185502.GA4256@gate.kl-ic.com>

On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 11:12:00AM -0700, Jeff Lavallee wrote:
> Also seems to work fine for me, only tested Safari 4.0.2 on OS X 10.5.7

On Jul 22, 2009, at 11:04 AM, John Melesky wrote:
> Seems to work fine for me, on a mac (10.5, aka Leopard), in:A
...

Thanks for the testing, Jeff and John!  BTW, my wydiwys.js script
uses JQuery ( http://jquery.com ) which is allegedly super-portable,

Keith

-- 
Keith Lofstrom          keithl at keithl.com         Voice (503)-520-1993
KLIC --- Keith Lofstrom Integrated Circuits --- "Your Ideas in Silicon"
Design Contracting in Bipolar and CMOS - Analog, Digital, and Scan ICs

From schwern at pobox.com  Wed Jul 22 11:56:58 2009
From: schwern at pobox.com (Michael G Schwern)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 11:56:58 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Need someone to handle PDX Weekly Hackathon this week and
	next
Message-ID: <4A6760FA.1080406@pobox.com>

I'm in California this week and next so I won't be around for the weekly
hackathon.  I don't really need to be there, I'll announce it on calagator
just the same, but it would be nice if people would fill these roles:

Compile time
* Bring a couple power strips (let us know if you are)
* Bring an extension cord     (ditto)
* Be there at or before 6:30
  * Grab the corner table with the power
  * Be visible (which involves having a laptop out)

Run time
* Say hi to people
* Introduce people
* Find out what projects people are working on
* Encourage people to talk about what they're doing


-- 
24. Must not tell any officer that I am smarter than they are, especially
    if it's true.
    -- The 213 Things Skippy Is No Longer Allowed To Do In The U.S. Army
           http://skippyslist.com/list/

From ben.hengst at gmail.com  Wed Jul 22 14:07:56 2009
From: ben.hengst at gmail.com (benh)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 14:07:56 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Need someone to handle PDX Weekly Hackathon this week
	and next
In-Reply-To: <4A6760FA.1080406@pobox.com>
References: <4A6760FA.1080406@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <85ddf48b0907221407n7f937dch7d8238bee280e261@mail.gmail.com>

Sure I can attempt to head things up.

I'll try and scrounge up some power distribution devices.

Do we want to start some communication stream dedicated to this
separate from pdx.pm and then just cross post here? Possibly something
to post notes to?

On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 11:56, Michael G Schwern<schwern at pobox.com> wrote:
> I'm in California this week and next so I won't be around for the weekly
> hackathon. ?I don't really need to be there, I'll announce it on calagator
> just the same, but it would be nice if people would fill these roles:
>
> Compile time
> * Bring a couple power strips (let us know if you are)
> * Bring an extension cord ? ? (ditto)
> * Be there at or before 6:30
> ?* Grab the corner table with the power
> ?* Be visible (which involves having a laptop out)
>
> Run time
> * Say hi to people
> * Introduce people
> * Find out what projects people are working on
> * Encourage people to talk about what they're doing
>
>
> --
> 24. Must not tell any officer that I am smarter than they are, especially
> ? ?if it's true.
> ? ?-- The 213 Things Skippy Is No Longer Allowed To Do In The U.S. Army
> ? ? ? ? ? http://skippyslist.com/list/
> _______________________________________________
> Pdx-pm-list mailing list
> Pdx-pm-list at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pdx-pm-list
>



-- 
benh~

http://three.sentenc.es/

From schwern at pobox.com  Wed Jul 22 14:32:19 2009
From: schwern at pobox.com (Michael G Schwern)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 14:32:19 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Need someone to handle PDX Weekly Hackathon this week
 and next
In-Reply-To: <85ddf48b0907221407n7f937dch7d8238bee280e261@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A6760FA.1080406@pobox.com>
	<85ddf48b0907221407n7f937dch7d8238bee280e261@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A678563.40207@pobox.com>

benh wrote:
> Sure I can attempt to head things up.
> 
> I'll try and scrounge up some power distribution devices.
> 
> Do we want to start some communication stream dedicated to this
> separate from pdx.pm and then just cross post here? Possibly something
> to post notes to?

That would be excellent.  It would make it more inclusive outside the Perl
community.


-- 
191. Our Humvees cannot be assembled into a giant battle-robot.
    -- The 213 Things Skippy Is No Longer Allowed To Do In The U.S. Army
           http://skippyslist.com/list/

From brent.dombrowski at gmail.com  Wed Jul 22 13:32:09 2009
From: brent.dombrowski at gmail.com (Brent Dombrowski)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 13:32:09 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Testing WYDIWYS
In-Reply-To: <20090722175154.GA7163@gate.kl-ic.com>
References: <20090722175154.GA7163@gate.kl-ic.com>
Message-ID: <e24306fb0907221332p437188e9ud70c9445404e056c@mail.gmail.com>

Works fine for me on Safari and Firefox.
I have a Nintendo Wii controler and am running Remote Buddy on my home
theater machine. I was able to change slides with the direction buttons in
both Safari and Firefox. I could go back and forth between slides with
up/down or left/right in Firefox. Up/down worked in Safari, but left/right
did something else. If I get some time, I'll check the binds to see if they
are different between the two apps.

On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Keith Lofstrom <keithl at kl-ic.com> wrote:

> I need some Mac help!
>
> WYDIWYS ( What You Draw Is What You See ) is a webslide image
> presentation tool, with some ideas stolen from Eric Wilhelm's
> Text::Slidez .  It uses keyCodes to navigate.  I've tested it
> with Firefox on Linux, and Firefox, IE8, and Chrome on Win7 .
>
> I don't have a Mac, but I would like to know what it does with
> Safari (you will need to enable Javascript and Flash).  MacMongers,
> if you would be so very kind,  please point your web browser at:
>
>  http://server-sky.com/wydiwys
>
> Look at the usage instructions, then start the presentation:
>
>  http://server-sky.com/slides/wydiwys_demo/
>
> Let me know if the keyboard navigation works.  Extra bonus points
> if you have a USB wireless presenter and try that as well.
>
> If this works right, the testing should only take a minute or two.
>
> Keith
>
> P.S. - the actual wydiwys presentation synthesis code is written
> (I use the term loosely) in Perl, making it vaguely relevant to
> this list.  Please do not look at the code within 4 hours of eating,
> as I am a PerlMangler, only wishing to be a PerlMonger.
>
> --
> Keith Lofstrom          keithl at keithl.com         Voice (503)-520-1993
> KLIC --- Keith Lofstrom Integrated Circuits --- "Your Ideas in Silicon"
> Design Contracting in Bipolar and CMOS - Analog, Digital, and Scan ICs
> _______________________________________________
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> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pdx-pm-list
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From ben.hengst at gmail.com  Wed Jul 22 16:43:44 2009
From: ben.hengst at gmail.com (benh)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 16:43:44 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Need someone to handle PDX Weekly Hackathon this week
	and next
In-Reply-To: <4A678563.40207@pobox.com>
References: <4A6760FA.1080406@pobox.com>
	<85ddf48b0907221407n7f937dch7d8238bee280e261@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A678563.40207@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <85ddf48b0907221643g2295d4a7x4c6ea60df2b739a6@mail.gmail.com>

Any one object to just a simple Google Group (just because it's
brainless to setup)?

On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 14:32, Michael G Schwern<schwern at pobox.com> wrote:
> benh wrote:
>> Sure I can attempt to head things up.
>>
>> I'll try and scrounge up some power distribution devices.
>>
>> Do we want to start some communication stream dedicated to this
>> separate from pdx.pm and then just cross post here? Possibly something
>> to post notes to?
>
> That would be excellent. ?It would make it more inclusive outside the Perl
> community.
>
>
> --
> 191. Our Humvees cannot be assembled into a giant battle-robot.
> ? ?-- The 213 Things Skippy Is No Longer Allowed To Do In The U.S. Army
> ? ? ? ? ? http://skippyslist.com/list/
>



-- 
benh~

http://three.sentenc.es/

From schwern at pobox.com  Wed Jul 22 22:02:23 2009
From: schwern at pobox.com (Michael G Schwern)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 22:02:23 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Need someone to handle PDX Weekly Hackathon this week
 and next
In-Reply-To: <85ddf48b0907221643g2295d4a7x4c6ea60df2b739a6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A6760FA.1080406@pobox.com>
	<85ddf48b0907221407n7f937dch7d8238bee280e261@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A678563.40207@pobox.com>
	<85ddf48b0907221643g2295d4a7x4c6ea60df2b739a6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A67EEDF.4080202@pobox.com>

benh wrote:
> Any one object to just a simple Google Group (just because it's
> brainless to setup)?

+1 to brainless


-- 
39. Not allowed to ask for the day off due to religious purposes, on the
    basis that the world is going to end, more than once.
    -- The 213 Things Skippy Is No Longer Allowed To Do In The U.S. Army
           http://skippyslist.com/list/

From ben.hengst at gmail.com  Thu Jul 23 22:21:02 2009
From: ben.hengst at gmail.com (benh)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 05:21:02 +0000
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Need someone to handle PDX Weekly Hackathon this week
	and next
In-Reply-To: <4A67EEDF.4080202@pobox.com>
References: <4A6760FA.1080406@pobox.com>
	<85ddf48b0907221407n7f937dch7d8238bee280e261@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A678563.40207@pobox.com>
	<85ddf48b0907221643g2295d4a7x4c6ea60df2b739a6@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A67EEDF.4080202@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <85ddf48b0907232221w6ecca8c5x8dbca486c30346de@mail.gmail.com>

k done

http://groups.google.com/group/pdx-weekly-hackathon

everyone is free to join, with leto's help we've set things to be as
open as realistically possible. we can change it down stream.


On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 05:02, Michael G Schwern<schwern at pobox.com> wrote:
> benh wrote:
>> Any one object to just a simple Google Group (just because it's
>> brainless to setup)?
>
> +1 to brainless
>
>
> --
> 39. Not allowed to ask for the day off due to religious purposes, on the
> ? ?basis that the world is going to end, more than once.
> ? ?-- The 213 Things Skippy Is No Longer Allowed To Do In The U.S. Army
> ? ? ? ? ? http://skippyslist.com/list/
>



-- 
benh~

http://three.sentenc.es/

From enobacon at gmail.com  Wed Jul 29 16:59:27 2009
From: enobacon at gmail.com (Seven till Seven)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 16:59:27 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] How to Lie Like a Geek -- August meeting in 2 weeks
Message-ID: <200907291659.28213.enobacon@gmail.com>

see http://pdx.pm.org/kwiki/

Wed. August 12th, 6:53pm at FreeGeek -- 1731 SE 10th Ave.

How to Lie Like a Geek
speaker: Michael Schwern

Geeks have a special relationship with The Truth. Nothing is more 
important than correcting a falsehood, no matter how small, and nothing 
is more odious than not telling The Truth. Unfortunately, in speaking 
The Whole Truth and Nothing But The Truth, the meaning is often mangled 
and the end result is the opposite, a lie.

We?ll examine some ways geeks lie while telling The Truth, to themselves 
and to others, and hopefully achieve better communications, easier to 
understand interfaces and maybe some personal enlightenment.

Some examples include: Lies by omission, lies by precision, lies by 
irrelevancy, lies by design, lies with statistics and that most 
dangerous of words ?should? as in ?the user should have realized?.

There will be cake.
  http://tinyurl.com/mermtx


Plus: Rakudo euler_bench update ? benchmarking Perl 6.
  http://github.com/notbenh/euler_bench/tree


As always, the meeting will be followed by social hour at the LuckyLab.
-- 

        http://pdx.pm.org