[Pdx-pm] sneaking tests into work

[Michael G Schwern]

Ovid wrote:
> --- Eric Wilhelm <scratchcomputing at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> If you're under a lot of time pressure, you might be told that you 
>> shouldn't be stopping to write tests.  In this case, making them part
> 
>> of your development should help.
> 
> When I first learned testing, I made the mistake of including the time
> for that as a separate line item on an estimate I turned in.  My boss
> scratched it off.  Ever since then, I folded "time for testing" into
> any estimate I turned in.

The argument I like to use is that "non-productive" items like "commenting" or "indenting" or "version control" are not separate line items either.  Why should testing be?