From tex at off.org Wed Oct 4 14:49:50 2000 From: tex at off.org (Austin Schutz) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:13 2004 Subject: Installing scripts from Makefile.PL? Message-ID: <20001004124950.F4189@gblx.net> This seemingly common and obvious task seems to actually be wuite difficult. I've discovered that if I set the INST_SCRIPT directory and put all scripts in there, they will actually be inserted in the correct directory, but the pod docs won't be pulled out and extra stuff from the INST_SCRIPT directory like CVS/Root will be dumped in too, not just .pl files. If I do nothing and put .pl files in the main directory then the .pl files are (incorrectly) recognized as libraries and put under PREFIX/lib. What I would like is for a.) pod docs to be extracted and dealt with properly, b.) .pl files to be intalled under PREFIX/bin or similar, and c.) the correct path to perl installed in the header ( #!/opt/bin/perl5, or whatever). I realize I could do this by hand but it seems like such an obvious and common task that it would be part of the default behavior of MakeMaker. Thanks! Austin TIMTOWTDI From mmaynar2 at egreen.wednet.edu Tue Oct 10 14:08:27 2000 From: mmaynar2 at egreen.wednet.edu (Michael Maynard) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:13 2004 Subject: ADO Module Message-ID: You might try asking your question over at www.perlmonks.com. They seem fairly helpful. I've only been on the pdx-pm list for a couple of weeks but I haven't seen much activity. Blair Morgan Sent by: owner-pdx-pm-list@pm.org 09/26/00 10:49 PM To: "'pdx-pm-list@pm.org'" cc: Subject: ADO Module I'm attempting to convert my Win32::ODBC code over to Win32::ADO. Does anyone have any good code snippets/examples that I could use for reference? Thx - Blair TIMTOWTDI TIMTOWTDI From lordomar at speakeasy.org Tue Oct 10 17:17:18 2000 From: lordomar at speakeasy.org (Eli Smith) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:13 2004 Subject: ADO Module In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I've been a Perlmonks member for a while and know(using the term rather loosley here, should say "talked to on irc quite a bit with") some of the people involved, it's a great site, I suggest everyone at least take a look. Sorry I can't help with that issue I have no windows related knowledge. Eli ______________________ "Fukui-san?" "Yes Ota." http://www.eristic.com On Tue, 10 Oct 2000, Michael Maynard wrote: > You might try asking your question over at www.perlmonks.com. They seem > fairly helpful. > > I've only been on the pdx-pm list for a couple of weeks but I haven't seen > much activity. > > > > > > > Blair Morgan > Sent by: owner-pdx-pm-list@pm.org > 09/26/00 10:49 PM > > > To: "'pdx-pm-list@pm.org'" > cc: > Subject: ADO Module > > I'm attempting to convert my Win32::ODBC code over to Win32::ADO. Does > anyone have any good code snippets/examples that I could use for > reference? > Thx - Blair > > TIMTOWTDI > > > > > TIMTOWTDI > TIMTOWTDI From daniel at chetlin.com Fri Oct 27 16:02:02 2000 From: daniel at chetlin.com (Daniel Chetlin) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:13 2004 Subject: on Impatience Message-ID: <20001027140202.B970@darkstar.chetlin.org> I would like to see PDX.pm revive itself. This is my attempt to help. The company I work for has access to a large conference room, and I've cleared with them the idea of having technical meetings there. We're in Lake Oswego, a few blocks from the 217/I-5 interchange. The conference room should be able to fit 30 comfortably seated, and more if necessary. My proposed plan of action is to have a social meeting sometime within the next week, and at that meeting try to plan a tech meeting for maybe two weeks from now. Where we do the social meeting doesn't matter. The conference room is not available on weekends, but can be had at any time after 5pm during the week, and can go as late as we want. The earlier we decide on a date and time, the better. What I would like to hear from everyone is: * Whether there are enough interested people to bother about this * Where and when we should do the social meeting * What potential topics there would be for a tech meeting I am willing to talk about anything, though I don't have any particular topic in mind right now. In discussing possibilities with a co-worker, we came up with a few ideas: * HTML::Parser and friends * RExen * Overloading operators * Generating dynamic web content (beyond CGI.pm) That's just really off the top of our heads, though, and meant to spark ideas. I'm also working on a paper about default scoping in Perl, but it's mostly talking about how other languages do it, so I'm not sure it'd be of interest. Oh, one final thing: unless someone has a projector, the best we'll be able to do for presentations are whiteboards and overheads. There is a large TV in the conference room, but I suspect even if we went to the trouble of getting converters, the resolution would be bad enough that it'd be useless. So probably no demos. Hope to hear from you. Thanks! -dlc TIMTOWTDI From ckuskie at tality.com Fri Oct 27 16:41:34 2000 From: ckuskie at tality.com (Colin Kuskie) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:13 2004 Subject: on Impatience In-Reply-To: <20001027140202.B970@darkstar.chetlin.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 27 Oct 2000, Daniel Chetlin wrote: > What I would like to hear from everyone is: > > * Whether there are enough interested people to bother about this Count me in. > * Where and when we should do the social meeting I'd suggest somewhere a little more central for the social meeting. Beaverton or Portland. > * What potential topics there would be for a tech meeting An excellent topic of discussion for the social meeting as tech topics would be determined by the skill and interests of those present. > I am willing to talk about anything, though I don't have any particular > topic in mind right now. In discussing possibilities with a co-worker, > we came up with a few ideas: > > * HTML::Parser and friends > * RExen > * Overloading operators > * Generating dynamic web content (beyond CGI.pm) > > That's just really off the top of our heads, though, and meant to spark > ideas. I'm also working on a paper about default scoping in Perl, but > it's mostly talking about how other languages do it, so I'm not sure > it'd be of interest. Perl is organic. By learning about how other languages work we decide what to change and what to leave be. Colin TIMTOWTDI From todd_caine at eli.net Fri Oct 27 16:45:34 2000 From: todd_caine at eli.net (Todd Caine) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:13 2004 Subject: on Impatience References: <20001027140202.B970@darkstar.chetlin.org> Message-ID: <39F9F77E.8882E6D1@eli.net> > I would like to see PDX.pm revive itself. This is my attempt to help. Ahh. I was just speaking with a co-worker yesterday about how dead pdx.pm is.... > My proposed plan of action is to have a social meeting sometime within the > next week, and at that meeting try to plan a tech meeting for maybe two > weeks from now. That sounds great. Who would be putting on the technical meeting? ...... > What I would like to hear from everyone is: > > * Whether there are enough interested people to bother about this I'm interested. > * Where and when we should do the social meeting How about November 8th, your place, 7:00 pm??? > * What potential topics there would be for a tech meeting -POE (perl object environment) -XS programming -Perl Internals -mod_perl vs FastCGI -Real Time Programming with Perl (IPC, Semaphores, Message Queues, Shared Memory....) ...... Regards, Todd Caine TIMTOWTDI From scott at lund.com Fri Oct 27 17:15:34 2000 From: scott at lund.com (Scott Chapman) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:13 2004 Subject: on Impatience In-Reply-To: <20001027140202.B970@darkstar.chetlin.org> Message-ID: <39F99C16.18693.A6F468F@localhost> I'll be there if I can make it. I'm also researching the Tigard Novell office, where Biznix and PJUG meet. Scott. On 27 Oct 2000, at 14:02, Daniel Chetlin wrote: > I would like to see PDX.pm revive itself. This is my attempt to help. > > The company I work for has access to a large conference room, and I've > cleared with them the idea of having technical meetings there. We're in > Lake Oswego, a few blocks from the 217/I-5 interchange. The conference > room should be able to fit 30 comfortably seated, and more if necessary. > > My proposed plan of action is to have a social meeting sometime within > the next week, and at that meeting try to plan a tech meeting for maybe > two weeks from now. Where we do the social meeting doesn't matter. > > The conference room is not available on weekends, but can be had at any > time after 5pm during the week, and can go as late as we want. The > earlier we decide on a date and time, the better. > > What I would like to hear from everyone is: > > * Whether there are enough interested people to bother about this > * Where and when we should do the social meeting > * What potential topics there would be for a tech meeting > > I am willing to talk about anything, though I don't have any particular > topic in mind right now. In discussing possibilities with a co-worker, > we came up with a few ideas: > > * HTML::Parser and friends > * RExen > * Overloading operators > * Generating dynamic web content (beyond CGI.pm) > > That's just really off the top of our heads, though, and meant to spark > ideas. I'm also working on a paper about default scoping in Perl, but > it's mostly talking about how other languages do it, so I'm not sure > it'd be of interest. > > Oh, one final thing: unless someone has a projector, the best we'll be > able to do for presentations are whiteboards and overheads. There is a > large TV in the conference room, but I suspect even if we went to the > trouble of getting converters, the resolution would be bad enough that > it'd be useless. So probably no demos. > > Hope to hear from you. Thanks! > > -dlc > TIMTOWTDI TIMTOWTDI From gabrielle.roth at xo.com Fri Oct 27 17:21:49 2000 From: gabrielle.roth at xo.com (Roth, Gabrielle) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:13 2004 Subject: on Impatience Message-ID: <45EDA71CFF25D411A2E400508B6FC52A934242@orportexch1.internal.nextlink.net> > I would like to see PDX.pm revive itself. This is my attempt to help. I'd like to see it revived too, because I've never seen it in action. I signed on to the list a month ago and figured the group was defunct. > What I would like to hear from everyone is: > > * Whether there are enough interested people to bother about this I am definitely interested. > * Where and when we should do the social meeting Weekdays, TWH, are better for me, but I can't go if it's out of Portland. Of course, I am a new kid, so I won't be at all offended if you disregard my vote. :) > * What potential topics there would be for a tech meeting Anything is fine with me...I've only been doing this for a little while, and I can always learn something. gabrielle TIMTOWTDI From rtanner at cheshire.onlinemac.com Fri Oct 27 18:08:57 2000 From: rtanner at cheshire.onlinemac.com (Rob Tanner) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:13 2004 Subject: on Impatience In-Reply-To: <20001027140202.B970@darkstar.chetlin.org> Message-ID: <103780000.972688137@uranus.linfield.edu> Sounds good -- count me in (except I have a regular conflict on Wednesday nights, so I'd ask that you schedule for any other night). Linfield College is clear down in McMinnville, but if folks don't mind driving a little, I doubt I would have any problems getting rooms evenings or week-ends. As far as suggested topics, I've been working with modperl for a while now and also do a lot of plain old cgi (with a little embperl added for good measure). I'm also beginning to venture where no sane person has gone before (Okay, so I'm a warped trekkie), which is into the world of XS. Anything along those lines would be a good topic area, at least as far as my own work goes. As far as a social meeting, when I was in the Bay Area I regularly participated in Bay Lisa where social and techie got all mixed together, and I thought that tended to work much nicer straight social gatherings (besides, whenever they tried it, hardly anybody ever showed up). On your "One final thing" (and I presume you mean an overhead), I could find out about borrowing one if you can't locate a projector if you can't locate one closer to home. -- Rob --On 10/27/00 02:02:02 PM -0700 Daniel Chetlin wrote: > I would like to see PDX.pm revive itself. This is my attempt to help. > > The company I work for has access to a large conference room, and I've > cleared with them the idea of having technical meetings there. We're > in Lake Oswego, a few blocks from the 217/I-5 interchange. The > conference room should be able to fit 30 comfortably seated, and more > if necessary. > > My proposed plan of action is to have a social meeting sometime within > the next week, and at that meeting try to plan a tech meeting for > maybe two weeks from now. Where we do the social meeting doesn't > matter. > > The conference room is not available on weekends, but can be had at > any time after 5pm during the week, and can go as late as we want. The > earlier we decide on a date and time, the better. > > What I would like to hear from everyone is: > > * Whether there are enough interested people to bother about this > * Where and when we should do the social meeting > * What potential topics there would be for a tech meeting > > I am willing to talk about anything, though I don't have any > particular topic in mind right now. In discussing possibilities with > a co-worker, we came up with a few ideas: > > * HTML::Parser and friends > * RExen > * Overloading operators > * Generating dynamic web content (beyond CGI.pm) > > That's just really off the top of our heads, though, and meant to > spark ideas. I'm also working on a paper about default scoping in > Perl, but it's mostly talking about how other languages do it, so I'm > not sure it'd be of interest. > > Oh, one final thing: unless someone has a projector, the best we'll be > able to do for presentations are whiteboards and overheads. There is a > large TV in the conference room, but I suspect even if we went to the > trouble of getting converters, the resolution would be bad enough that > it'd be useless. So probably no demos. > > Hope to hear from you. Thanks! > > -dlc > TIMTOWTDI _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ /\_\_\_\_\ /\_\ /\_\_\_\_\_\ /\/_/_/_/_/ /\/_/ \/_/_/_/_/_/ QUIDQUID LATINE DICTUM SIT, /\/_/__\/_/ __ /\/_/ /\/_/ PROFUNDUM VIDITUR /\/_/_/_/_/ /\_\ /\/_/ /\/_/ /\/_/ \/_/ /\/_/_/\/_/ /\/_/ (Whatever is said in Latin \/_/ \/_/ \/_/_/_/_/ \/_/ appears profound) Rob Tanner McMinnville, Oregon rtanner@cheshire.onlinemac.com TIMTOWTDI From merlyn at stonehenge.com Fri Oct 27 18:27:11 2000 From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:13 2004 Subject: on Impatience In-Reply-To: Daniel Chetlin's message of "Fri, 27 Oct 2000 14:02:02 -0700" References: <20001027140202.B970@darkstar.chetlin.org> Message-ID: >>>>> "Daniel" == Daniel Chetlin writes: Daniel> What I would like to hear from everyone is: Daniel> * Whether there are enough interested people to bother about this I'm outta town starting monday (san francisco, and then Java Jam!). But please, get together. Get the ball rolling! -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! TIMTOWTDI From jeff at vpservices.com Sat Oct 28 11:22:00 2000 From: jeff at vpservices.com (Jeff Zucker) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:13 2004 Subject: on Impatience References: <20001027140202.B970@darkstar.chetlin.org> Message-ID: <39FAFD28.A3D56644@vpservices.com> Count me in. Almost any week night works for me. -- Jeff TIMTOWTDI From daniel at chetlin.com Sun Oct 29 13:55:40 2000 From: daniel at chetlin.com (Daniel Chetlin) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:13 2004 Subject: Tentative schedule Message-ID: <20001029115540.A804@darkstar.chetlin.org> Based on the heartening number of responses I received, I'm going to throw out a more concrete proposed schedule. For the tech meeting, I believe that Tuesday nights will work the best for the majority of people who responded. So, I propose either Tuesday the 7th or Tuesday the 14th at 7pm for our tech meeting. The location is still somewhat up in the air -- eBizQuality's conference room (my location) is a fallback, but I've gotten two tentative offers of other places which may give us access to a computer projector and, in one, an ethernet connection. So, if the gentlemen who offered those places would let me know if either of those dates are do-able, we'll go ahead and confirm. Unless something major comes up, I think we should continue to shoot for one of the Tuesdays, because I'd rather have 30 people at a talk that used an overhead and a whiteboard than 15 people at a talk with a computer projector. As for the social meeting, which I still think should come first, I'd like to aim for late next week, perhaps Thursday or Friday the 2nd or 3rd. I haven't heard any particular ideas for a venue, but I agree with the few people that said we should shoot for Portland or perhaps Beaverton. I'm inclined to think we should choose somewhere where we can reserve a room or at least a somewhat secluded area, both to make talking easier and to give the place fair warning. I hate seeing unsuspecting waitstaff being harassed by a bunch of geeks :-). Tuesday the 7th, by the way, is election day. If this is a big no-no, we'll avoid it. Please let me know if you have any thoughts about the above times and places. On Monday, I'll send out a list of tech topics that have been suggested, and we'll try to firm up the agenda. Thanks! print < This is exactly what I've been -begging- for. Thank you, Dan, for actually posting to this list. :] Social meetings have worked rather well in the past, we've had 10-15 people usually. That's a decent turnout, I think. As for technical meetings, I have two or three people that are currently willing (or obligated, in crys' case :] ) to speak. The location at the 217->I-5 interchange sounds good - just about equally inconvenient for everyone in PDX. ;) As for projection equipment, that may not be necessary for (or even useful to) every speaker, so let's plan who's going to speak on what when. Tuesdays and thursdays are good for me; pretty much every other weekday is a bad idea. In the past our meetings have been on Tuesdays and there were few complaints. Is tuesday still good for the vast majority of those out there? pdx.pm's mailing list has grown by quite a bit in the last few months. Let's get this moving again. crys, is your POE talk ready? ua...want to present that new module you've written? I personally don't have anything technical to contribute this time, but I might be able to bring caffeine or sugar. ;) Let's decide on a day of the week to meet on, then let's find ourselves a speaker. Once that's done, we need to set a date. Personally, I would like us to -avoid- another social meeting until we have had a technical meeting - or, better yet, merge them as was suggested earlier. So, let's call it this: We'll have a Sociotechnical meeting in early November. Please respond if Tuesdays will -not- work for you...or with any other comments. Paul. TIMTOWTDI From jeff at vpservices.com Sun Oct 29 14:21:05 2000 From: jeff at vpservices.com (Jeff Zucker) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:13 2004 Subject: Tentative schedule References: <20001029115540.A804@darkstar.chetlin.org> Message-ID: <39FC86B1.4599B51B@vpservices.com> Yes to Tuesdays in general. No to election day Tuesday. Thursday the 2nd sounds good for the first social. I prefer a more down-townish or eastside location when possible. -- Jeff TIMTOWTDI From rtanner at cheshire.onlinemac.com Sun Oct 29 14:39:35 2000 From: rtanner at cheshire.onlinemac.com (Rob Tanner) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:13 2004 Subject: Tentative schedule In-Reply-To: <20001029115540.A804@darkstar.chetlin.org> Message-ID: <124460000.972851975@cheshire.onlinemac.com> Either date (Nov 7 or Nov 14) is good. I vote by mail so election day is not an issue. -- Rob _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ /\_\_\_\_\ /\_\ /\_\_\_\_\_\ /\/_/_/_/_/ /\/_/ \/_/_/_/_/_/ QUIDQUID LATINE DICTUM SIT, /\/_/__\/_/ __ /\/_/ /\/_/ PROFUNDUM VIDITUR /\/_/_/_/_/ /\_\ /\/_/ /\/_/ /\/_/ \/_/ /\/_/_/\/_/ /\/_/ (Whatever is said in Latin \/_/ \/_/ \/_/_/_/_/ \/_/ appears profound) Rob Tanner McMinnville, Oregon rtanner@cheshire.onlinemac.com TIMTOWTDI From merlyn at stonehenge.com Sun Oct 29 14:40:18 2000 From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:13 2004 Subject: Life! A beautiful thing. In-Reply-To: Masque's message of "Sun, 29 Oct 2000 14:01:31 -0600" References: <20001029140131.A26864@pound.perl.org> Message-ID: >>>>> "Masque" == Masque writes: Masque> Tuesdays and thursdays are good for me; pretty much every other Masque> weekday is a bad idea. In the past our meetings have been on Masque> Tuesdays and there were few complaints. Is tuesday still good Masque> for the vast majority of those out there? Tuesdays and Thursdays are both bad for me while I'm teaching at OGI (http://www.cse.ogi.edu/courses/OGI503/), but there'll be days when I'm in town and I'm not doing that (rare :). Or, if you're gonna be somewhere past 8:30, I can show up at the last minute. :) Masque> pdx.pm's mailing list has grown by quite a bit in the last few Masque> months. Let's get this moving again. crys, is your POE talk Masque> ready? ua...want to present that new module you've written? Masque> I personally don't have anything technical to contribute this Masque> time, but I might be able to bring caffeine or sugar. ;) Not true... you can do one of the chapters from the llama course. :) Masque> Let's decide on a day of the week to meet on, then let's find Masque> ourselves a speaker. Once that's done, we need to set a date. Masque> Personally, I would like us to -avoid- another social meeting Masque> until we have had a technical meeting - or, better yet, merge Masque> them as was suggested earlier. I disagree. Have social meetings all the time. Technical meetings are secondary anyway. Follow the Perl Monger Path. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! TIMTOWTDI From robb at empire2.com Tue Oct 31 13:14:20 2000 From: robb at empire2.com (Rob Bloodgood) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:13 2004 Subject: Life! A beautiful thing. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Masque> Let's decide on a day of the week to meet on, then let's find Masque> ourselves a speaker. Once that's done, we need to set a date. Masque> Personally, I would like us to -avoid- another social meeting Masque> until we have had a technical meeting - or, better yet, merge Masque> them as was suggested earlier. I disagree. Have social meetings all the time. Technical meetings are secondary anyway. Follow the Perl Monger Path. =================== Now, you see, I've been waiting for the right message to start my reply with: Will somebody tell me where a social meeting of 100% geeks DOESN'T turn technical? I mean, is it the ratio of alcohol to bodies that determines it, or what? The PM meeting I made it too, at Who-song & Larry's, was a collection of geeks having individual conversations about their technical issues... in fact Randal shared a couple of very interesting tech anectdotes w/ me about (IIRC) a Web server throttling technique, and the history of chat2.pl. Is there a difference here (between social and technical) other than an agenda, tying all the geeks to the same topic?? :-) My $.02. L8r, Rob TIMTOWTDI