From Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu  Sun Dec  9 11:20:28 2007
From: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu (Michael Paoli)
Date: Sun,  9 Dec 2007 11:20:28 -0800
Subject: [oak perl] Macworld Conference & Expo: Free Exhibits Only only with
	Priority Code ...
Message-ID: <1197228028.475c3ffc6ed68@webmail.rawbw.com>

If one is looking for Priority Code for free Exhibits Only,
at least presently, these two will work through the dates indicated:
Priority Code   free Exhibits Only through 
08-D-YML        2007-12-14
08-G-PC25       2008-01-13

Those above, and/or these below might be good for some various discounts,
but these shown below are no longer good for free Exhibits Only:
08-D-UG01
08-E-AL01
08-E-VF01
08-G-PC256
08-G-PC260

references:
http://www.macworldexpo.com/
http://tinyurl.com/ywdpug

From george at metaart.org  Sun Dec  9 21:25:14 2007
From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley)
Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 21:25:14 -0800
Subject: [oak perl] Macworld Conference & Expo: Free Exhibits Only only
	with Priority Code ...
In-Reply-To: <1197228028.475c3ffc6ed68@webmail.rawbw.com>
References: <1197228028.475c3ffc6ed68@webmail.rawbw.com>
Message-ID: <200712092125.14796.george@metaart.org>

hi michael,
thanks for posting this,
especially as many people in the group use macs.
- george

-------------------------------------

On Sunday 09 December 2007 11:20, Michael Paoli wrote:
> If one is looking for Priority Code for free Exhibits Only,
> at least presently, these two will work through the dates indicated:
> Priority Code   free Exhibits Only through
> 08-D-YML        2007-12-14
> 08-G-PC25       2008-01-13
>
> Those above, and/or these below might be good for some various discounts,
> but these shown below are no longer good for free Exhibits Only:
> 08-D-UG01
> 08-E-AL01
> 08-E-VF01
> 08-G-PC256
> 08-G-PC260
>
> references:
> http://www.macworldexpo.com/
> http://tinyurl.com/ywdpug
> _______________________________________________
> Oakland mailing list
> Oakland at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/oakland


From george at metaart.org  Mon Dec 10 20:16:19 2007
From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley)
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 20:16:19 -0800
Subject: [oak perl] The State of the Onion 11
Message-ID: <200712102016.19044.george@metaart.org>

URL of soto 11:
http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2007/12/06/soto-11.html

hi all,
some of you may wish to take a look at
the state of the onion 11.

i found it:
* amusing
* interesting
* readable
i'd give it the following key terms:
* scripting languages
* history
* perl

if you look at it,
i'd be interested in any comments.

- george


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From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley)
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 09:53:59 -0800
Subject: [oak perl] Fwd: From Manning, One Free Ebook a Day!
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From george at metaart.org  Tue Dec 11 18:12:13 2007
From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley)
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 18:12:13 -0800
Subject: [oak perl] Fwd: Newsletter from O'Reilly UG Program, December 11
Message-ID: <200712111812.13682.george@metaart.org>

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Date: Tuesday 11 December 2007 10:53
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To: george at metaart.org

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From jseidel at edpci.com  Sun Dec 16 16:44:06 2007
From: jseidel at edpci.com (Jon Seidel CMC)
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 16:44:06 -0800
Subject: [oak perl] Test post...
Message-ID: <00a401c84045$ee1abd30$a000000a@EDP17>

This is a test, sent at George's request, to resolve some email issues I am
having....jon



From jseidel at edpci.com  Sun Dec 16 16:58:29 2007
From: jseidel at edpci.com (Jon Seidel CMC)
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 16:58:29 -0800
Subject: [oak perl] Follow-up on computer recycling...
Message-ID: <00ac01c84047$f055a720$a000000a@EDP17>

Folks.

 

I was looking for a good place to donate my used computer "stuff" so that it
could be put to good use, and the folks who were at the December meeting
came up with two viable alternatives:

 

PC Community (PC users group) at http://pcc.org <http://pcc.org/>  

Alameda County Computer Resource Center at http://accrc.org
<http://accrc.org/>  

 

Here's my experience so far:

 

First, I tried pcc.org. They are all volunteer, put together working systems
from parts, and donate them to local groups that need help. They have a nice
online form (fill-in-the blanks PDF) to submit a request and have them get
back to you. They offer to pick up the goods.  Unfortunately, I never got a
response back from them :-(

 

Second, I tried accrc.org. You have to drop things off at their site, so it
was a little more work (and they're in Berkeley which is close to me), but
eminently doable. However, when I arrived at the site, they were more
recycling (ala the drop-off points for Goodwill Industries - large wooden
bins into which stuff just gets dumped) than computer repurposing. I had an
old HP inkjet portable printer which came in two parts plus a small box of
related parts and even tho I tried to get the guy to put them all together,
it was clear that he either didn't understand or didn't care. I'm convinced
that this particular printer will most likely be rendered less usable as a
result.

 

So. it's a mixed bag. Next time (or if they manage to contact me from the
present attempt), I'm going to try pcc.org. they may actually "care" for
this stuff a little more which will make me feel as if it really will be put
to good use.

 

HTH.have a great holiday season!

 

.jon

 

 

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From george at metaart.org  Fri Dec 21 17:52:55 2007
From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley)
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 17:52:55 -0800
Subject: [oak perl] Fwd: Submit your proposal now
Message-ID: <200712211752.55784.george@metaart.org>

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Subject: Submit your proposal now
Date: Friday 21 December 2007 15:36
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To: sassafras at metaart.org

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From jseidel at edpci.com  Mon Dec 24 11:49:37 2007
From: jseidel at edpci.com (Jon Seidel CMC)
Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 11:49:37 -0800
Subject: [oak perl] Experience with browser favicon.ico?
Message-ID: <007a01c84666$1d82d0a0$a000000a@EDP17>

Anyone had experience with setting up a favicon.ico for browsers? They
require a 16x16 @ 16 colors icon file (.ico), and that's what I've setup,
but it doesn't seem to work properly. I've had one working for quite a
while, tweaked it, and now it doesn't work :-(

 

www.edpci.com <http://www.edpci.com/>  - would you mind checking it out and
letting me know (1) if it works for you, and (2) if not, what happens?

 

The actual icon can be downloaded from www.edpci.com/favicon.ico.

 

Thanks much. have a fantastic holiday!

 

.jon

 

 

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From jseidel at edpci.com  Mon Dec 24 13:13:01 2007
From: jseidel at edpci.com (Jon Seidel CMC)
Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 13:13:01 -0800
Subject: [oak perl] Experience with browser favicon.ico?
Message-ID: <008801c84671$c446c440$a000000a@EDP17>

Got it!  

 

First of all, thanks to Randal for a quick test and then a re-test when I
figured it out.

 

1. The icon editor was saving the file incorrectly, for some reason. I
downloaded GIMP, opened the file, re-saved it (no changes) and now the file
works OK.

2. Browsers (at least some of them) cache the favicon once it's loaded and
won't reload it unless you clear cache.

 

Now it works just fine.

 

Enjoy.jon

 

--

 

  _____  

From: Jon Seidel CMC [mailto:jseidel at edpci.com] 
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 11:50 AM
To: 'oakland at pm.org'
Subject: Experience with browser favicon.ico?

 

Anyone had experience with setting up a favicon.ico for browsers? They
require a 16x16 @ 16 colors icon file (.ico), and that's what I've setup,
but it doesn't seem to work properly. I've had one working for quite a
while, tweaked it, and now it doesn't work :-(

 

www.edpci.com <http://www.edpci.com/>  - would you mind checking it out and
letting me know (1) if it works for you, and (2) if not, what happens?

 

The actual icon can be downloaded from www.edpci.com/favicon.ico.

 

Thanks much. have a fantastic holiday!

 

.jon

 

 

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From mikejbwhoo at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 25 18:05:43 2007
From: mikejbwhoo at yahoo.com (Michael)
Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 18:05:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [oak perl] New Member
Message-ID: <84165.28564.qm@web52811.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hello Perl:

Is there an equivalent to the Java Hello World? Anyway, I want to introduce myself to the group. My name is Michael, and I have been in IT now for 13 years, the last four or so on and off I have been teaching myself perl. I am looking for advice on openings or making a transition into Perl.

Thanks in advance, and Happy Holidays.
Michael

       
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From merlyn at stonehenge.com  Tue Dec 25 18:43:10 2007
From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz)
Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 18:43:10 -0800
Subject: [oak perl] New Member
In-Reply-To: <84165.28564.qm@web52811.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	(mikejbwhoo@yahoo.com's message of "Tue,
	25 Dec 2007 18:05:43 -0800 (PST)")
References: <84165.28564.qm@web52811.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <86bq8etbup.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com>

>>>>> "Michael" == Michael  <mikejbwhoo at yahoo.com> writes:

Michael> Is there an equivalent to the Java Hello World?

Yes, except in Perl it's much shorter:

     print "Hello, world!\n";

:-)

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From george at metaart.org  Thu Dec 27 23:39:33 2007
From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley)
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 23:39:33 -0800
Subject: [oak perl] Interesting Article: Perl 6
Message-ID: <200712272339.33957.george@metaart.org>

Reference: 
http://perlbuzz.com/2007/12/
why-perl-6-needs-to-be-deemphasized-and-renamed.html

   Note: Be sure the URL you try 
   doesn't contain a CR or space.


From mikejbwhoo at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 30 12:56:32 2007
From: mikejbwhoo at yahoo.com (Michael)
Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 12:56:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [oak perl] Can anyone recommend a good web site to learn perl?
Message-ID: <429446.60988.qm@web52802.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I have been programming in perl for a few years, but am always looking to expland my experience. Has anyone come across a good site?
   
  TIA,
  Michael


       
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From quinn at fairpath.com  Sun Dec 30 14:22:02 2007
From: quinn at fairpath.com (Quinn Weaver)
Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 14:22:02 -0800
Subject: [oak perl] Can anyone recommend a good web site to learn perl?
In-Reply-To: <429446.60988.qm@web52802.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <429446.60988.qm@web52802.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20071230222202.GA43348@fu.funkspiel.org>

On Sun, Dec 30, 2007 at 12:56:32PM -0800, Michael wrote:
> I have been programming in perl for a few years, but am always looking to expland my experience. Has anyone come across a good site?

Browsing perlmonks.org can be pretty informative.

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From david at fetter.org  Sun Dec 30 15:44:41 2007
From: david at fetter.org (David Fetter)
Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 15:44:41 -0800
Subject: [oak perl] Can anyone recommend a good web site to learn perl?
In-Reply-To: <429446.60988.qm@web52802.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <429446.60988.qm@web52802.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20071230234441.GA32391@fetter.org>

On Sun, Dec 30, 2007 at 12:56:32PM -0800, Michael wrote:
> I have been programming in perl for a few years, but am always
> looking to expland my experience.  Has anyone come across a good
> site?

Any of Randal Schwartz's books from O'Reilly should do.  Ask before
buying any other O'Reilly titles, as the quality varies widely.

Cheers,
David.
-- 
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From ddascalescu at gmail.com  Sun Dec 30 16:11:05 2007
From: ddascalescu at gmail.com (Dan Dascalescu)
Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 16:11:05 -0800
Subject: [oak perl] Can anyone recommend a good web site to learn perl?
In-Reply-To: <20071230234441.GA32391@fetter.org>
References: <429446.60988.qm@web52802.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<20071230234441.GA32391@fetter.org>
Message-ID: <3561cc6d0712301611u6f8ed910q5c1252dd5b8b139e@mail.gmail.com>

In my opinion, the best web site to learn Perl that I know of, is
http://www.sthomas.net/oldpages/roberts-perl-tutorial.htm

Dan

On Dec 30, 2007 3:44 PM, David Fetter <david at fetter.org> wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 30, 2007 at 12:56:32PM -0800, Michael wrote:
> > I have been programming in perl for a few years, but am always
> > looking to expland my experience.  Has anyone come across a good
> > site?
>
> Any of Randal Schwartz's books from O'Reilly should do.  Ask before
> buying any other O'Reilly titles, as the quality varies widely.
>
> Cheers,
> David.
> --
> David Fetter <david at fetter.org> http://fetter.org/
> Phone: +1 415 235 3778  AIM: dfetter666  Yahoo!: dfetter
> Skype: davidfetter      XMPP: david.fetter at gmail.com
>
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From david at fetter.org  Sun Dec 30 16:22:14 2007
From: david at fetter.org (David Fetter)
Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 16:22:14 -0800
Subject: [oak perl] Can anyone recommend a good web site to learn perl?
In-Reply-To: <3561cc6d0712301611u6f8ed910q5c1252dd5b8b139e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <429446.60988.qm@web52802.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<20071230234441.GA32391@fetter.org>
	<3561cc6d0712301611u6f8ed910q5c1252dd5b8b139e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20071231002214.GA480@fetter.org>

On Sun, Dec 30, 2007 at 04:11:05PM -0800, Dan Dascalescu wrote:
> On Dec 30, 2007 3:44 PM, David Fetter <david at fetter.org> wrote:
> > On Sun, Dec 30, 2007 at 12:56:32PM -0800, Michael wrote:
> > > I have been programming in perl for a few years, but am always
> > > looking to expland my experience.  Has anyone come across a good
> > > site?
> >
> > Any of Randal Schwartz's books from O'Reilly should do.  Ask before
> > buying any other O'Reilly titles, as the quality varies widely.
> 
> In my opinion, the best web site to learn Perl that I know of, is
> http://www.sthomas.net/oldpages/roberts-perl-tutorial.htm

After a quick browse through that one, I just plain can't agree.  The
idioms used in there are basically from perl4, and a lot of the
recommendations, in my humble opinion, are just plain wrong.

So, by the way, is top-posting, so I've moved your comment to the
bottom where it belongs :)

Cheers,
David.
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From doom at kzsu.stanford.edu  Sun Dec 30 17:34:03 2007
From: doom at kzsu.stanford.edu (Joe Brenner)
Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 17:34:03 -0800
Subject: [oak perl] Can anyone recommend a good web site to learn perl?
In-Reply-To: <20071231002214.GA480@fetter.org>
References: <429446.60988.qm@web52802.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<20071230234441.GA32391@fetter.org>
	<3561cc6d0712301611u6f8ed910q5c1252dd5b8b139e@mail.gmail.com>
	<20071231002214.GA480@fetter.org>
Message-ID: <200712310134.lBV1Y3s7012503@kzsu.stanford.edu>


David Fetter <david at fetter.org> wrote:
> Dan Dascalescu wrote:
> > David Fetter <david at fetter.org> wrote:
> > > Michael wrote:

> > > > I have been programming in perl for a few years, but am always
> > > > looking to expland my experience.  Has anyone come across a good
> > > > site?

> > > Any of Randal Schwartz's books from O'Reilly should do.  Ask before
> > > buying any other O'Reilly titles, as the quality varies widely.
> >
> > In my opinion, the best web site to learn Perl that I know of, is
> > http://www.sthomas.net/oldpages/roberts-perl-tutorial.htm
>
> After a quick browse through that one, I just plain can't agree.  The
> idioms used in there are basically from perl4, and a lot of the
> recommendations, in my humble opinion, are just plain wrong.

Um... I can't say it looks quite that bad to me, though there are things
I might complain about (it delays talking about "use strict;" for too
long, for example).

I would suggest starting here:

  http://perldoc.perl.org/perlintro.html

(which is the same content as "man perlintro" on a unix box).


From extasia at extasia.org  Sun Dec 30 17:45:33 2007
From: extasia at extasia.org (David Alban)
Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 17:45:33 -0800
Subject: [oak perl] Can anyone recommend a good web site to learn perl?
In-Reply-To: <20071231002214.GA480@fetter.org>
References: <429446.60988.qm@web52802.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<20071230234441.GA32391@fetter.org>
	<3561cc6d0712301611u6f8ed910q5c1252dd5b8b139e@mail.gmail.com>
	<20071231002214.GA480@fetter.org>
Message-ID: <4c714a9c0712301745p374ddf35i5b8a8fc48d9a9706@mail.gmail.com>

I don't mind top posting as much as including a "conversation" in the
quoted material.  I believe the intent is good--to give context--but I
think it's unnecessary.  YMMV.

On Dec 30, 2007 4:22 PM, David Fetter <david at fetter.org> wrote:
> So, by the way, is top-posting, so I've moved your comment to the
> bottom where it belongs :)

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From merlyn at stonehenge.com  Sun Dec 30 18:09:48 2007
From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz)
Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 18:09:48 -0800
Subject: [oak perl] Can anyone recommend a good web site to learn perl?
In-Reply-To: <4c714a9c0712301745p374ddf35i5b8a8fc48d9a9706@mail.gmail.com>
	(David Alban's message of "Sun, 30 Dec 2007 17:45:33 -0800")
References: <429446.60988.qm@web52802.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<20071230234441.GA32391@fetter.org>
	<3561cc6d0712301611u6f8ed910q5c1252dd5b8b139e@mail.gmail.com>
	<20071231002214.GA480@fetter.org>
	<4c714a9c0712301745p374ddf35i5b8a8fc48d9a9706@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <86bq87zkb7.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com>

>>>>> "David" == David Alban <extasia at extasia.org> writes:

David> I don't mind top posting as much as including a "conversation" in the
David> quoted material.  I believe the intent is good--to give context--but I
David> think it's unnecessary.  YMMV.

A. Because it breaks up the flow of the conversation
Q. Why is top-posting bad?

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From george at metaart.org  Mon Dec 31 21:34:14 2007
From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley)
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 21:34:14 -0800
Subject: [oak perl] (1) Thanks for Your Posts (2)Top-Posting
Message-ID: <200712312134.14682.george@metaart.org>

hi all,
george here with my group coordinators hat on.

== thanks 
thanks to everyone who has contributed to the group.

thanks in particular for your posts to the list.
and even more specifically,
thanks to those who contributed to the recent thread entitled
'[oak perl] Can anyone recommend a good web site to learn perl?'.

== top-posting
to be clear,
there is no rule on this mailing list 
[that i know of, anyway] for or against top posting.

there is, however, a page on our website
that lists some ways to contribute to the group.
among the things listed are:
* have a member profile.
* write a review.
* come to meetings.
* learn something [more] about perl.
* post something perl related to the mailing list.

==
george

p.s. i'll post separately re top-posting
without my group coordinators hat on.


From george at metaart.org  Mon Dec 31 21:39:10 2007
From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley)
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 21:39:10 -0800
Subject: [oak perl] Top-Posting
Message-ID: <200712312139.10343.george@metaart.org>

hi all,
george here with my group coordinators hat off.

personally, i'm much more concerned 
with people contributing to the group
than with their posting style.

usually my preference in posting styles is for top-posting
because the most recent material is at the top.
but mostly, i just don't care.

two practices that i sometimes do find a bit annoying are:
* starting a new subject without changing the Subject header
* trimming material that i consider relevant to the discussion

skoal,
george