From george at metaart.org Tue Jan 7 00:00:28 2003 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:26 2004 Subject: [oak perl] Test Message-ID: <200301062200.28522.george@metaart.org> Test From cajun at cajuninc.com Tue Jan 7 00:16:58 2003 From: cajun at cajuninc.com (M.Lewis) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:26 2004 Subject: [oak perl] Test In-Reply-To: <200301062200.28522.george@metaart.org> References: <200301062200.28522.george@metaart.org> Message-ID: <200301062216.58325.cajun@cajuninc.com> Damn, had I known there was going to be a test, I would have studied. On Monday 06 January 2003 22:00, George Woolley wrote: > Test > _______________________________________________ > Oakland mailing list > Oakland@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/oakland -- IBM: Inept Bulling Menace 22:15:01 up 1 day, 2:46, 5 users, load average: 1.61, 1.50, 1.46 Linux Registered User #241685 http://counter.li.org From david at fetter.org Tue Jan 7 00:45:56 2003 From: david at fetter.org (David Fetter) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:26 2004 Subject: [oak perl] Test In-Reply-To: <200301062200.28522.george@metaart.org> References: <200301062200.28522.george@metaart.org> Message-ID: <20030107064556.GH17535@fetter.org> On Mon, Jan 06, 2003 at 10:00:28PM -0800, George Woolley wrote: > Test It came up positive. Congratulations! Cheers, D -- David Fetter david@fetter.org http://fetter.org/ phone: +1 510 893 6100 cell: +1 415 235 3778 From george at metaart.org Tue Jan 7 01:45:56 2003 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:26 2004 Subject: [oak perl] Test In-Reply-To: <200301062216.58325.cajun@cajuninc.com> References: <200301062200.28522.george@metaart.org> <200301062216.58325.cajun@cajuninc.com> Message-ID: <200301062345.56318.george@metaart.org> Mike, Don't sweat it. You passed the test. -- George On Monday 06 January 2003 10:16 pm, M.Lewis wrote: > Damn, had I known there was going to be a test, I would have studied. > > On Monday 06 January 2003 22:00, George Woolley wrote: > > Test > > _______________________________________________ > > Oakland mailing list > > Oakland@mail.pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/oakland From george at metaart.org Tue Jan 7 12:29:22 2003 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:26 2004 Subject: [oak perl] Test In-Reply-To: <20030107064556.GH17535@fetter.org> References: <200301062200.28522.george@metaart.org> <20030107064556.GH17535@fetter.org> Message-ID: <200301071029.22935.george@metaart.org> D, Actually the literal test failed. The email got redirected here contrary to the documentation I was testing out. However, there was an unintended success. A couple of people responded. Perhaps that will help to get things moving again now that the Holidays are over. -- G On Monday 06 January 2003 10:45 pm, David Fetter wrote: > On Mon, Jan 06, 2003 at 10:00:28PM -0800, George Woolley wrote: > > Test > > It came up positive. Congratulations! > > Cheers, > D From george at metaart.org Tue Jan 7 18:31:37 2003 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:26 2004 Subject: [oak perl] State of the pm Message-ID: <200301071631.37054.george@metaart.org> State of the pm ============ Affiliations ---------------- O'Reilly User Group Program Perl Mongers Listings --------- Website Listings: Ecovillage Perl Mongers North American List San Francisco.pm Earlier we requested listings with: Berkeley.pm Linux Mafia SiliconValley.pm The following don't have listings for related groups: Monterey.pm (not active) Sonoma.pm Search Engine Listings: Try +Oakland +"Perl Mongers". I just tried (2003-01-06) on the 5 top search engines per my last evaluation (i.e. on Google, Excite, AOL Search, Teoma and Alta Vista): Our lowest position was 4. Only Perl Mongers pages were ever listed earlier than our site. (And we, of course, are listed on Perl Mongers.) Mailing Lists -------------- Oakland.pm mailing list subscribers: 16 (as of 2003-01-06) Oakland.pm messages: November 106 December 99 PBML mailing list subscribers: 6 (as of 2003-01-06) PBML messages: (some messages lost, I believe) late December 39 Note: not much activity recently, apparently due to the holidays. Meetings ----------- monthly meeting atendees: November 3 December 9 regular meeting time: 2nd Tuesday at 7:30pm regular meeting place: not yet determined. I have checked out a couple of places near where I live. But haven't found anything I'm ready to recommend. I'm continuing to look. Next Meeting Plans: talk by: Belden Lyman lightning talks by: David Fetter, George Woolley, Mike Lewis and ??? February Meeting Plans: talk by: Dan Meriwether Website ---------- The Home Page includes sections on: what the Club is at all the next meeting learning mailing lists (added PBML recently) meetings reviews (added recently; want to add some actual reviews) acknowledgements contact info participants (want to add more profiles) There are separate pages on: our membership in the O'Reilly User Group Program (added recently) related groups There are separate directories for: directions meeting reports (added recently) O'Reilly User Group newsletters (added recently) Finally ------- Comments? Corrections? -- George From george at metaart.org Tue Jan 7 20:30:51 2003 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:26 2004 Subject: [oak perl] Fwd: State of the pm Message-ID: <200301071830.51406.george@metaart.org> This may be a duplicate message. I'm resending it because I never received it back from the mailing list. ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: State of the pm Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 16:31:37 -0800 From: George Woolley To: oakland@mail.pm.org State of the pm ============ Affiliations ---------------- O'Reilly User Group Program Perl Mongers Listings --------- Website Listings: Ecovillage Perl Mongers North American List San Francisco.pm Earlier we requested listings with: Berkeley.pm Linux Mafia SiliconValley.pm The following don't have listings for related groups: Monterey.pm (not active) Sonoma.pm Search Engine Listings: Try +Oakland +"Perl Mongers". I just tried (2003-01-06) on the 5 top search engines per my last evaluation (i.e. on Google, Excite, AOL Search, Teoma and Alta Vista): Our lowest position was 4. Only Perl Mongers pages were ever listed earlier than our site. (And we, of course, are listed on Perl Mongers.) Mailing Lists -------------- Oakland.pm mailing list subscribers: 16 (as of 2003-01-06) Oakland.pm messages: November 106 December 99 PBML mailing list subscribers: 6 (as of 2003-01-06) PBML messages: (some messages lost, I believe) late December 39 Note: not much activity recently, apparently due to the holidays. Meetings ----------- monthly meeting atendees: November 3 December 9 regular meeting time: 2nd Tuesday at 7:30pm regular meeting place: not yet determined. I have checked out a couple of places near where I live. But haven't found anything I'm ready to recommend. I'm continuing to look. Next Meeting Plans: talk by: Belden Lyman lightning talks by: David Fetter, George Woolley, Mike Lewis and ??? February Meeting Plans: talk by: Dan Meriwether Website ---------- The Home Page includes sections on: what the Club is at all the next meeting learning mailing lists (added PBML recently) meetings reviews (added recently; want to add some actual reviews) acknowledgements contact info participants (want to add more profiles) There are separate pages on: our membership in the O'Reilly User Group Program (added recently) related groups There are separate directories for: directions meeting reports (added recently) O'Reilly User Group newsletters (added recently) Finally ------- Comments? Corrections? -- George ------------------------------------------------------- From george at metaart.org Wed Jan 8 21:52:08 2003 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:26 2004 Subject: [oak perl] O'Reilly User Group Program Activity Message-ID: <200301081952.08886.george@metaart.org> There's a couple of things going on here: * I have requested a review copy of Practical C++ for Adrien LaMothe who wishes to review it, and I'm told it has been sent. (Let me know if you want to do a review of an O'Reilly book. In some cases, we can get a free review copy.) * I am being sent a large package of unspecified content (to arrive at an unspecified time) for me to diseminate in some fashion. How's that for vague? Well, that's all I know. Oh, well. * I found a couple O'Reilly ThinkGeek calendar banners I liked and put them on my domain. In return, I'm being sent the O'Reilly book of my choice. (The deal covering this was posted on the list by me Dec. 20, in case it interests you.) From george at metaart.org Thu Jan 9 21:28:33 2003 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:26 2004 Subject: [oak perl] Meeting Tuesday, January 14th Message-ID: <200301091928.33497.george@metaart.org> From george at metaart.org Thu Jan 9 23:49:37 2003 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:26 2004 Subject: [oak perl] Beer Sig In-Reply-To: <20021220175513.C15942@new.gerasimov.net> References: <20021219113216.A4602@new.gerasimov.net> <3E023B23.1040208@iii.com> <20021220175513.C15942@new.gerasimov.net> Message-ID: <200301092149.37050.george@metaart.org> David, Could you take a look at the following on our web site http://oakland.pm.org/index.html#meet (last sentence under Meetings) http://oakland.pm.org/detail/beer.html (all) and see if the Beer Sig is properly represented? Thanks, -- George From george at metaart.org Thu Jan 9 23:52:12 2003 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:26 2004 Subject: [oak perl] Next Meeting In-Reply-To: <20021220175513.C15942@new.gerasimov.net> References: <20021219113216.A4602@new.gerasimov.net> <3E023B23.1040208@iii.com> <20021220175513.C15942@new.gerasimov.net> Message-ID: <200301092152.12705.george@metaart.org> David, Will you be able to come to the meeting on Tuesday? -- George From david at fetter.org Thu Jan 9 23:59:57 2003 From: david at fetter.org (David Fetter) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:26 2004 Subject: [oak perl] Next Meeting In-Reply-To: <200301092152.12705.george@metaart.org> References: <20021219113216.A4602@new.gerasimov.net> <3E023B23.1040208@iii.com> <20021220175513.C15942@new.gerasimov.net> <200301092152.12705.george@metaart.org> Message-ID: <20030110055957.GZ22116@fetter.org> On Thu, Jan 09, 2003 at 09:52:12PM -0800, George Woolley wrote: > David, > Will you be able to come to the meeting on Tuesday? Yes. Am I the dro^H^H^HDavid you're looking for? Cheers, 2many daves -- David Fetter david@fetter.org http://fetter.org/ phone: +1 510 893 6100 cell: +1 415 235 3778 From david at wheeler.net Fri Jan 10 01:02:55 2003 From: david at wheeler.net (David Wheeler) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:26 2004 Subject: [oak perl] ANNOUNCE: Bricolage-Devel 1.5.0 Message-ID: <8B4233F9-2469-11D7-AAD0-000393D9436A@wheeler.net> The Bricolage team is pleased to announce the release of Bricolage-Devel 1.5.0, a development release for what will eventually become Bricolage 1.6.0. In addition to all of the bug fixes included in the 1.4.6 release, this version of the 100% Perl content management system adds many new features. The most significant changes include: * A unit testing framework based on Test::Class. * Ported to HTML::Mason versions 1.16 and higher. * Output channel-specific URI format and case preferences. * Stories and media assets can now select which output channels to be published to on a per-story or per-media asset basis * New template type, "utility template," not associated with any individual element or category. Useful for creating libraries of utility templates. * Ability to "clone" stories. * Improved Burner methods, including a status method (to determine if a template is being executed by a "preview" or a "publish" event) and methods to assist in the creation of links to other pages within a story. * Improved browser support and performance, thanks to converting the style sheet and JavaScript components to static files. This change incidentally correct issues with IE on the Mac and Netscape 4.x on Windows. * Assets may now optionally be transfered from one workflow to another. * Numerous performance enhancements. For a complete list of the changes, see the changes file at https://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?release_id=132744. Although this release gives every appearance of being as stable as any previous release of Bricolage, it does contain a fair bit of new code that needs to be put through the ringer. We also expect other features to be added before the 1.6.0 release, including further performance enhancements, more comprehensive testing, and a localized UI. ABOUT BRICOLAGE Bricolage is a full-featured, enterprise-class content management and publishing system. It offers a browser-based interface for ease-of use, a full-fledged templating system with complete HTML::Mason support for flexibility, and many other features. It operates in an Apache/mod_perl environment, and uses the PostgreSQL RDBMS for its repository. A comprehensive, actively-developed open source CMS, Bricolage has been hailed as "Most Impressive" in 2002 by eWeek. Learn more about Bricolage and download it from the Bricolage home page, http://bricolage.cc/. Enjoy! --The Bricolage Team From george at metaart.org Fri Jan 10 01:13:46 2003 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:26 2004 Subject: [oak perl] Next Meeting In-Reply-To: <20030110055957.GZ22116@fetter.org> References: <20021219113216.A4602@new.gerasimov.net> <200301092152.12705.george@metaart.org> <20030110055957.GZ22116@fetter.org> Message-ID: <200301092313.46360.george@metaart.org> On Thursday 09 January 2003 9:59 pm, David Fetter wrote: > On Thu, Jan 09, 2003 at 09:52:12PM -0800, George Woolley wrote: > > David, > > Will you be able to come to the meeting on Tuesday? > > Yes. > > Am I the dro^H^H^HDavid you're looking for? > > Cheers, > 2many daves There are 4 Davids in a group of 16. (i.e 1/4th) I have no idea what that means. Any Davids who answer are the right ones. Therefore I was looking for you, at least. Anyway, glad you'll be there. From david at wheeler.net Fri Jan 10 01:22:40 2003 From: david at wheeler.net (David Wheeler) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:26 2004 Subject: [oak perl] Next Meeting In-Reply-To: <20030110055957.GZ22116@fetter.org> Message-ID: <4D425B49-246C-11D7-AAD0-000393D9436A@wheeler.net> On Thursday, January 9, 2003, at 09:59 PM, David Fetter wrote: >> David, >> Will you be able to come to the meeting on Tuesday? > > Yes. > > Am I the dro^H^H^HDavid you're looking for? Gonna miss the PostgreSQL meeting, eh Mr. Fetter? David -- David Wheeler AIM: dwTheory david@wheeler.net ICQ: 15726394 http://david.wheeler.net/ Yahoo!: dew7e Jabber: Theory@jabber.org From cajun at cajuninc.com Fri Jan 10 04:58:33 2003 From: cajun at cajuninc.com (M.Lewis) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:26 2004 Subject: [oak perl] Beer Sig In-Reply-To: <200301092149.37050.george@metaart.org> References: <20021219113216.A4602@new.gerasimov.net> <20021220175513.C15942@new.gerasimov.net> <200301092149.37050.george@metaart.org> Message-ID: <200301100258.33208.cajun@cajuninc.com> Beer Sig++; Good work George ! David..... Beer Sig is falling behind on meetings. What about our weekly status reports ? We need another meeting. SOON ! M On Thursday 09 January 2003 21:49, George Woolley wrote: > David, > Could you take a look at the following on our web site > http://oakland.pm.org/index.html#meet (last sentence under Meetings) > http://oakland.pm.org/detail/beer.html (all) > and see if the Beer Sig is properly represented? > Thanks, > -- George > > _______________________________________________ > Oakland mailing list > Oakland@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/oakland -- IBM: Innovation By Management 02:55:00 up 4 days, 7:26, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.12, 0.19 Linux Registered User #241685 http://counter.li.org From george at metaart.org Fri Jan 10 10:01:24 2003 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:26 2004 Subject: [oak perl] Beer Sig In-Reply-To: <200301100258.33208.cajun@cajuninc.com> References: <20021219113216.A4602@new.gerasimov.net> <200301092149.37050.george@metaart.org> <200301100258.33208.cajun@cajuninc.com> Message-ID: <200301100801.24082.george@metaart.org> If you're behind schedule, does that mean you'll have to drink faster? -- G On Friday 10 January 2003 2:58 am, M.Lewis wrote: > Beer Sig++; > > Good work George ! > David..... Beer Sig is falling behind on meetings. What about our weekly > status reports ? We need another meeting. SOON ! > > M > > On Thursday 09 January 2003 21:49, George Woolley wrote: > > David, > > Could you take a look at the following on our web site > > http://oakland.pm.org/index.html#meet (last sentence under > > Meetings) http://oakland.pm.org/detail/beer.html (all) > > and see if the Beer Sig is properly represented? > > Thanks, > > -- George > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Oakland mailing list > > Oakland@mail.pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/oakland From extasia at mindspring.com Fri Jan 10 16:22:13 2003 From: extasia at mindspring.com (David Alban) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:26 2004 Subject: [oak perl] Beer Sig In-Reply-To: <200301092149.37050.george@metaart.org>; from george@metaart.org on Thu, Jan 09, 2003 at 09:49:37PM -0800 References: <200301100258.33208.cajun@cajuninc.com> <200301100801.24082.george@metaart.org> <20021219113216.A4602@new.gerasimov.net> <20021220175513.C15942@new.gerasimov.net> <200301092149.37050.george@metaart.org> <200301100258.33208.cajun@cajuninc.com> <20021219113216.A4602@new.gerasimov.net> <3E023B23.1040208@iii.com> <20021220175513.C15942@new.gerasimov.net> <200301092149.37050.george@metaart.org> Message-ID: <20030110142213.A31043@new.gerasimov.net> Greetings! At 2003/01/09/21:49 -0800 George Woolley wrote: > David, > Could you take a look at the following on our web site > http://oakland.pm.org/index.html#meet (last sentence under Meetings) > http://oakland.pm.org/detail/beer.html (all) > and see if the Beer Sig is properly represented? It is indeed properly represented. Thanks for the sig-beer-west link :-) Like the beer quotes, too. (BTW, sig-beer-west is on the 18th this month, which is a week from this Saturday.) At 2003/01/10/02:58 -0800 M.Lewis wrote: > Good work George ! > David..... Beer Sig is falling behind on meetings. What about our weekly > status reports ? We need another meeting. SOON ! Acknowledged. Since sig-beer-west is coming soon, maybe we could co-locate the meetings this month... Heh heh. Status report for first sig-beer-east-bay: We came. We drank. We talked. We left. :-) At 2003/01/10/08:01 -0800 George Woolley wrote: > If you're behind schedule, does that mean you'll have to drink faster? That's brilliant! A resounding *yes*. [sound of beer glass being raised] David -- Live in a world of your own, but always welcome visitors. *** Come to sig-beer-west! http://www.gerasimov.net/~alban/sig.beer.west.html Unix sysadmin available: http://www.gerasimov.net/~alban/jac/resume.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Me too! > Am I the dro^H^H^HDavid you're looking for? > > Cheers, > 2many daves (Not possible.) David -- Live in a world of your own, but always welcome visitors. *** Come to sig-beer-west! http://www.gerasimov.net/~alban/sig.beer.west.html Unix sysadmin available: http://www.gerasimov.net/~alban/jac/resume.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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[sound of beer glass being > raised] > Mu? http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a1_049 From george at metaart.org Fri Jan 10 16:49:53 2003 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:26 2004 Subject: [oak perl] Next Meeting In-Reply-To: <20030110142333.B31043@new.gerasimov.net> References: <20021219113216.A4602@new.gerasimov.net> <20030110055957.GZ22116@fetter.org> <20030110142333.B31043@new.gerasimov.net> Message-ID: <200301101449.53612.george@metaart.org> On Friday 10 January 2003 2:23 pm, David Alban wrote: > Greetings! > > At 2003/01/09/21:59 -0800 David Fetter wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 09, 2003 at 09:52:12PM -0800, George Woolley wrote: > > > David, > > > Will you be able to come to the meeting on Tuesday? > > > > Yes. > > Me too! > > > Am I the dro^H^H^HDavid you're looking for? > > > > Cheers, > > 2many daves > > (Not possible.) > > David Great! I'm looking forward to it. Who knows, perhaps you'll give a lightning talk and/or a brief sig-beer-east-bay report. The ambiguity of my communication to David on the mailing list seems to have turned out well. Please recruit more Davids for the list. I agree -- it is not possible to have too many! From extasia at mindspring.com Fri Jan 10 17:03:12 2003 From: extasia at mindspring.com (David Alban) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:26 2004 Subject: [oak perl] Beer Sig In-Reply-To: <3E1F4C72.5040002@iii.com>; from blyman@iii.com on Fri, Jan 10, 2003 at 02:42:58PM -0800 References: <20021219113216.A4602@new.gerasimov.net> <20021220175513.C15942@new.gerasimov.net> <200301092149.37050.george@metaart.org> <200301100258.33208.cajun@cajuninc.com> <20021219113216.A4602@new.gerasimov.net> <3E023B23.1040208@iii.com> <20021220175513.C15942@new.gerasimov.net> <200301092149.37050.george@metaart.org> <20030110142213.A31043@new.gerasimov.net> <3E1F4C72.5040002@iii.com> Message-ID: <20030110150312.D31043@new.gerasimov.net> At 2003/01/10/14:42 -0800 Belden Lyman wrote: > David Alban wrote: > > That's brilliant! A resounding *yes*. [sound of beer glass being > > raised] > Mu? > > http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a1_049 Heh heh. I really like: FURTHER INSIGHT FROM THE TEEMING MILLIONS Dear Cecil: Re your recent discussion, the sound of one hand clapping is, as any true friend of Jimmy Rockford can tell you, the sound of a slap in the face. --Evelyn M., San Quentin, California Cecil replies: Once again I marvel at the subtle ways in which Westerners assimilate the wisdom of the East. --CECIL ADAMS -- Live in a world of your own, but always welcome visitors. *** Come to sig-beer-west! http://www.gerasimov.net/~alban/sig.beer.west.html Unix sysadmin available: http://www.gerasimov.net/~alban/jac/resume.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/oakland/attachments/20030110/854fc74d/attachment.bin From george at metaart.org Fri Jan 10 18:11:25 2003 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:26 2004 Subject: [oak perl] Beer Sig In-Reply-To: <20030110142213.A31043@new.gerasimov.net> References: <200301100258.33208.cajun@cajuninc.com> <200301092149.37050.george@metaart.org> <20030110142213.A31043@new.gerasimov.net> Message-ID: <200301101611.25333.george@metaart.org> On Friday 10 January 2003 2:22 pm, David Alban wrote: > ...... > (BTW, sig-beer-west is on the 18th this month, which is a week from > this Saturday.) Please feel free to announce that at our Tuesday meeting whether or not sig-beer-east-bay is declared to meet at the same time and place this month. > ...... > Since sig-beer-west is coming soon, maybe we could > co-locate the meetings this month... Heh heh. >...... > Status report for first sig-beer-east-bay: We came. We drank. We > talked. We left. :-) I like that. Might add it to the East Bay Beer Sig page on the Oakland.pm site. >...... > David From george at metaart.org Fri Jan 10 23:45:45 2003 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:27 2004 Subject: [oak perl] O'Reilly Books for Us Message-ID: <200301102145.45805.george@metaart.org> Marsee Henon of the O'Reilly User Group Program has caused 6 O'Reilly products (mostly books and all released between June and November 2002) to be sent to us to help get us started. They are: * Designing Embedded Hardware * Embedded Perl in HTML with Mason * Perl CD Bookshelf * Perl Pocket Reference * Perl & LWP * Computer Science and Perl Programming My thought is to give these to people who: * indicate they will find good use for them * show up when I'm giving them out I'll also take into account participation in the two mailing lists, our meetings, the beer sig, the website, etc.) With the possible exception of the Pocket Reference, I'm thinking to give each product to a different person. If you think this is a flawed plan, let me know as soon as possible. If you are interested in having one of these books, email me soon how you plan to use it. From george at metaart.org Sun Jan 12 20:25:39 2003 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:27 2004 Subject: Fwd: [oak perl] O'Reilly Books for Us Message-ID: <200301121825.39511.george@metaart.org> So far I've received emails from 4 people on this. There is one book two people expressed interest in. Please email me your interests as soon as possible and, in any case, by first thing tomorrow evening (say 7pm). The sooner you send your email the more time I'm likely to have to resolve any conflicts that arise. You may wish to let me know how you would likely make good use of your selection. That will be relevant in resolving any conflicts. You can, if you wish, indicate other selections that are also of interest. Hopefully there will not be too many conflicts. -- George ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: [oak perl] O'Reilly Books for Us Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 21:45:45 -0800 From: George Woolley To: oakland@mail.pm.org Marsee Henon of the O'Reilly User Group Program has caused 6 O'Reilly products (mostly books and all released between June and November 2002) to be sent to us to help get us started. They are: * Designing Embedded Hardware * Embedded Perl in HTML with Mason * Perl CD Bookshelf * Perl Pocket Reference * Perl & LWP * Computer Science and Perl Programming My thought is to give these to people who: * indicate they will find good use for them * show up when I'm giving them out I'll also take into account participation in the two mailing lists, our meetings, the beer sig, the website, etc.) With the possible exception of the Pocket Reference, I'm thinking to give each product to a different person. If you think this is a flawed plan, let me know as soon as possible. If you are interested in having one of these books, email me soon how you plan to use it. _______________________________________________ Oakland mailing list Oakland@mail.pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/oakland ------------------------------------------------------- From george at metaart.org Sun Jan 12 20:32:25 2003 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:27 2004 Subject: [oak perl] Tuesday Meeting: Location Message-ID: <200301121832.25063.george@metaart.org> Please Note: The Tuesday Meeting is NOT at my place! (See our website for details and even a link to directions. The URL is http://oakland.pm.org) From george at metaart.org Sun Jan 12 20:42:02 2003 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:27 2004 Subject: [oak perl] Member Profiles - a request for Message-ID: <200301121842.02487.george@metaart.org> All, For many different reasons, it would be useful to have more Member Profiles. E.g. for prospective members, speakers, etc. to quickly get some sense of the group. E.g. to remind us of our diversity and at least the basics of people's backgrounds. There are two profiles at http://oakland.pm.org/index.html#member. It would be great if you could send me a brief (50 words max) profile for yourself similar to those. Thanks, George From blyman at iii.com Mon Jan 13 14:14:18 2003 From: blyman at iii.com (Belden Lyman) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:27 2004 Subject: [oak perl] [OT] DSL recommendations? Message-ID: <3E231E1A.8080003@iii.com> Grr, DirecTV DSL is going outta business. I'm considering switching to http://www.cyberonic.net (low monthly cost) or www.speakeasy.net (static IP). Does anyone have experience with either of these companies? Any other options I should consider? TIA - Belden From cajun at cajuninc.com Mon Jan 13 14:15:43 2003 From: cajun at cajuninc.com (cajun@cajuninc.com) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:27 2004 Subject: [oak perl] [OT] DSL recommendations? In-Reply-To: <3E231E1A.8080003@iii.com> References: <3E231E1A.8080003@iii.com> Message-ID: <55533.192.168.1.1.1042488943.squirrel@192.168.1.1> I'd probably check with SBC/Yahoo. They have some sort of partnership. I was with SBC/PacBell before they partnered with Yahoo. Been quite happy with it. M > > Grr, DirecTV DSL is going outta business. > > I'm considering switching to http://www.cyberonic.net > (low monthly cost) or www.speakeasy.net (static IP). > > Does anyone have experience with either of these companies? > > Any other options I should consider? > > TIA - Belden > > _______________________________________________ > Oakland mailing list > Oakland@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/oakland From a_lamothe at operamail.com Mon Jan 13 16:03:41 2003 From: a_lamothe at operamail.com (Adrien Lamothe) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:27 2004 Subject: [oak perl] Next Meeting Message-ID: <20030113220341.5821.qmail@operamail.com> Yes, I plan to attend. See you there. ----- Original Message ----- From: George Woolley Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 21:52:12 -0800 To: oakland@mail.pm.org Subject: [oak perl] Next Meeting > David, > Will you be able to come to the meeting on Tuesday? > -- George > > _______________________________________________ > Oakland mailing list > Oakland@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/oakland -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mymail.operamail.com Powered by Outblaze From blyman at iii.com Wed Jan 15 18:30:44 2003 From: blyman at iii.com (Belden Lyman) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:27 2004 Subject: [oak perl] print Dumper \$|; Message-ID: <3E25FD34.8070205@iii.com> Flush pipes, print $|: % perl -MData::Dumper -e '$|++; print Dumper \$|' $VAR1 = \'1'; Okay, I believe that. Clog pipes, print $|: % perl -MData::Dumper -e '$|--; print Dumper \$|' $VAR1 = \'1'; Huh? Same value? That can't be right though, because adding 1 gives different results: % perl -e '$|++; print $| + 1, "\n"; $|--; print $| + 1, "\n"' 2 1 By way of contrast, using $x rather than $| in the above examples yields the expected results. So - what gives? Belden -- "Don't write device drivers when you're on acid. Just... don't." -- overheard at Oakland.pm meeting, 14 Jan 2003 From extasia at mindspring.com Wed Jan 15 18:41:42 2003 From: extasia at mindspring.com (David Alban) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:27 2004 Subject: [oak perl] print Dumper \$|; In-Reply-To: <3E25FD34.8070205@iii.com>; from blyman@iii.com on Wed, Jan 15, 2003 at 04:30:44PM -0800 References: <3E25FD34.8070205@iii.com> Message-ID: <20030115164142.B16269@new.gerasimov.net> At 2003/01/15/16:30 -0800 Belden Lyman wrote: > > Flush pipes, print $|: > > % perl -MData::Dumper -e '$|++; print Dumper \$|' > $VAR1 = \'1'; > > Okay, I believe that. > > Clog pipes, print $|: > > % perl -MData::Dumper -e '$|--; print Dumper \$|' > $VAR1 = \'1'; > > Huh? Same value? That can't be right though, because > adding 1 gives different results: > > % perl -e '$|++; print $| + 1, "\n"; $|--; print $| + 1, "\n"' > 2 > 1 > > By way of contrast, using $x rather than $| in the above examples > yields the expected results. So - what gives? Even without Data::Dumper: $ perl -e '$| = 10000; print $|, "\n";' 1 $ perl -e '$| = -10000; print $|, "\n";' 1 $ perl -e '$| = 0; print $|, "\n";' 0 This is kinda strange, too: $ perl -d -e '1;' Default die handler restored. Loading DB routines from perl5db.pl version 1.07 Editor support available. Enter h or `h h' for help, or `man perldebug' for more help. main::(-e:1): 1; DB<1> $| = 9999 DB<2> x $| 0 1 DB<3> $| = -9999 DB<4> x $| 0 1 DB<5> $| = 0 DB<6> x $| 0 1 DB<7> print $| 1 -- Live in a world of your own, but always welcome visitors. *** Come to sig-beer-west! http://www.gerasimov.net/~alban/sig.beer.west.html Unix sysadmin available: http://www.gerasimov.net/~alban/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/oakland/attachments/20030115/801f9fa6/attachment.bin From blyman at iii.com Wed Jan 15 18:57:25 2003 From: blyman at iii.com (Belden Lyman) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:27 2004 Subject: [oak perl] [OT] DSL recommendations? References: <3E231E1A.8080003@iii.com> <20030115164307.C16269@new.gerasimov.net> Message-ID: <3E260375.2060806@iii.com> David Alban wrote: > At 2003/01/13/12:14 -0800 Belden Lyman wrote: > >>Any other options I should consider? > > > Lots of good review (and other) information at > Ahh, thankee kindly. From extasia at mindspring.com Wed Jan 15 19:20:41 2003 From: extasia at mindspring.com (David Alban) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:27 2004 Subject: [oak perl] SIG-beer-west this Saturday in San Francsico Message-ID: <20030115172041.B17333@new.gerasimov.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hey everybody. This the much hyped sig-beer-west. It's lots of fun. We took December off, but had a record attendance (somewhere around fifteen) in November. I'd love to see all of you there... :-) David SIG-beer-west Saturday, January 18, 2002 at 6:00pm San Francisco, CA Beer. Mental stimulation. This event: * Saturday, 01/18/2003, 6:00pm, at the Toronado, San Francisco Coming events (third Saturdays): * Saturday, 02/15/2003, 6:00pm * Saturday, 03/15/2003, 6:00pm * Saturday, 04/19/2003, 6:00pm * Saturday, 05/17/2003, 6:00pm San Francisco's next social event for computer sysadmins and their friends, sig-beer-west, will take place on Saturday, January 18, 2002 at the [1]Toronado in San Francisco, CA. The Toronado has an impressive selection of [2]draught and [3]bottled beer. Festivities will start at 6:00pm and continue until we've all left. The Toronado has an excellent selection of beer, but no food. It is perfectly okay to score food from neighboring establishments and bring it back to the Toronado to eat. Also, after we are all full with beer we may roam off to a nearby restaurant. [1] http://www.toronado.com/ [2] http://www.toronado.com/draft.htm [3] http://www.toronado.com/bottles.htm Everyone is welcome at this event. We mean it! Please feel free to forward this info and to invite friends, co-workers, and others who might enjoy lifting a glass with interesting folks from all over the place. (O.K., you do have to be of legal drinking age to attend.) For directions to the Toronado, please use the [4]excellent directions at their website. When you show up at the Toronado, you should look for some kind of botched sig-beer-west sign. We will try to make it obvious who we are. :-) [4] http://www.toronado.com/map.htm Note: Check the tables in the back room for us if you don't see us at the tables by the bar. The back room is back and to the left. Any Comments, Questions, or Suggestions of Things to Do Later on That Evening ... email [5]Fiid or [6]David. [5] fiid AT fiid DOT net [6] extasia AT mindspring DOT com sig-beer-west FAQ 1. Q: Your announcement says "computer sysadmins and their friends". How do I know if I'm a friend of a computer sysadmin? I don't even know what one is. A: You're a friend of a computer sysadmin if you can find the sig-beer-west sign at this month's sig-beer-west event. 2. Q: I'm not really a beer person. In fact I'm interested in hanging out, but not in drinking. Would I be welcome? A: Absolutely! The point is to enjoy each others' company. Please do join us. 3. Q: Is parking difficult around the Toronado, like maybe I should factor this into my travel time? A: Yes. ______________________________________________________________________ sig-beer-west was started when a couple Washington, D.C. based systems administrators who moved to the San Francisco Bay area wanted to continue a [7]dc-sage tradition, sig-beer, which is described in dc-sage web space as: SIG-beer, as in "Special Interest Group - Beer" ala ACM, or as in "send the BEER signal to that process". The original SIG-beer gathering takes place in Washington DC, usually on the first Saturday night of the month. [7] http://www.dc-sage.org/ ______________________________________________________________________ Last modified: $Date: 2003/01/06 20:20:55 $ - -- Live in a world of your own, but always welcome visitors. *** Come to sig-beer-west! http://www.gerasimov.net/~alban/sig.beer.west.html Unix sysadmin available: http://www.gerasimov.net/~alban/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE+Jgi8Ph0M9c/OpdARArPuAJ9m0xd7KFQp4KwlLR12y6JwStzjCwCgqAGq OL5X2mMciOSaSC9luvnKdwM= =BIVh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From qw at sf.pm.org Wed Jan 15 19:38:40 2003 From: qw at sf.pm.org (qw@sf.pm.org) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:27 2004 Subject: [sf-perl] Re: [oak perl] print Dumper \$|; In-Reply-To: <20030115164142.B16269@new.gerasimov.net> References: <3E25FD34.8070205@iii.com> <20030115164142.B16269@new.gerasimov.net> Message-ID: <20030116013840.GB16030@fetter.org> Oops, I forgot to CC Oakland.pm. Please reply-all to this message, not the previous one, to include them. That's confusing. I first thought maybe $| was a tied variable, which would explain this behavior. So, I tried doing 'tied $|' to see what it was tied to. The result was undef--meaning it's not a tied. But, wait, 'tied %ENV' also returns undef. Does anyone know why? Is this a bug? (All of this is in Perl 5.6.1 on Solaris.) Anyway, I guess the larger moral of this story is that $| has a Boolean value, and you should only think of it in terms of true (nonzero) or false (zero), and not do math operations on it. Why would you want to increment $|, anyway? --- qw (Quinn Weaver); #President, San Francisco Perl Mongers =for information, visit http://sf.pm.org/ =cut From george at metaart.org Wed Jan 15 20:35:15 2003 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:27 2004 Subject: [oak perl] February 11th Meeting In-Reply-To: <3E1F4C72.5040002@iii.com> References: <200301100258.33208.cajun@cajuninc.com> <20030110142213.A31043@new.gerasimov.net> <3E1F4C72.5040002@iii.com> Message-ID: <200301151835.15195.george@metaart.org> Announcement from our Website ---------------------------------------- Come to our fourth meeting: * time: Tue. Feb. 11, 2003 7:30pm-9:30pm. (We meet each 2nd Tue.) * place: the home of Arden Schaeffer 413 61st Street, Oakland, CA * topics: * introductions * lightning talks * "writing LWP agents" by Dan Meriwether * various reports * ... * who: open to anyone interested. * cost: no fee for our meetings. From Paul.Makepeace at realprogrammers.com Wed Jan 15 21:28:34 2003 From: Paul.Makepeace at realprogrammers.com (Paul Makepeace) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:27 2004 Subject: [oak perl] Re: [sf-perl] print Dumper \$|; In-Reply-To: <3E25FD34.8070205@iii.com> References: <3E25FD34.8070205@iii.com> Message-ID: <20030116032834.GY8638@mythix.realprogrammers.com> On Wed, Jan 15, 2003 at 04:30:44PM -0800, Belden Lyman wrote: > > Flush pipes, print $|: > > % perl -MData::Dumper -e '$|++; print Dumper \$|' > $VAR1 = \'1'; > > Okay, I believe that. > > Clog pipes, print $|: > > % perl -MData::Dumper -e '$|--; print Dumper \$|' > $VAR1 = \'1'; > > Huh? Same value? That can't be right though, because This is a known perl oddity, and often used by golfers and obfuscators as a toggler. $ perl -le 'print "p",--$|,"ng!" for 1..4' p1ng! p0ng! p1ng! p0ng! $ Paul -- Paul Makepeace ....................................... http://paulm.com/ "What is in the center of your mind? A female grizzly and her cub." -- http://paulm.com/toys/surrealism/ From george at metaart.org Wed Jan 15 22:04:53 2003 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:27 2004 Subject: [oak perl] Re: [sf-perl] print Dumper \$|; In-Reply-To: <20030116032834.GY8638@mythix.realprogrammers.com> References: <3E25FD34.8070205@iii.com> <20030116032834.GY8638@mythix.realprogrammers.com> Message-ID: <200301152004.53507.george@metaart.org> Paul, Kool! You posted on Oakland.pm. -- George On Wednesday 15 January 2003 7:28 pm, Paul Makepeace wrote: > On Wed, Jan 15, 2003 at 04:30:44PM -0800, Belden Lyman wrote: > > Flush pipes, print $|: > > > > % perl -MData::Dumper -e '$|++; print Dumper \$|' > > $VAR1 = \'1'; > > > > Okay, I believe that. > > > > Clog pipes, print $|: > > > > % perl -MData::Dumper -e '$|--; print Dumper \$|' > > $VAR1 = \'1'; > > > > Huh? Same value? That can't be right though, because > > This is a known perl oddity, and often used by golfers and obfuscators > as a toggler. > > $ perl -le 'print "p",--$|,"ng!" for 1..4' > p1ng! > p0ng! > p1ng! > p0ng! > $ > > Paul From blyman at iii.com Thu Jan 16 11:20:18 2003 From: blyman at iii.com (Belden Lyman) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:27 2004 Subject: [sf-perl] Re: [oak perl] print Dumper \$|; References: <3E25FD34.8070205@iii.com> <20030115164142.B16269@new.gerasimov.net> <20030116013840.GB16030@fetter.org> Message-ID: <3E26E9D2.2060205@iii.com> qw@sf.pm.org wrote: > Oops, I forgot to CC Oakland.pm. Please reply-all to this message, > not the previous one, to include them. Let's blame the OP for being a cross-posting lame-o. Oh, wait, that's me. Well, still. :) > > That's confusing. I first thought maybe $| was a tied variable, which > would explain this behavior. So, I tried doing 'tied $|' to see what > it was tied to. The result was undef--meaning it's not a tied. But, > wait, 'tied %ENV' also returns undef. Does anyone know why? Is this > a bug? (All of this is in Perl 5.6.1 on Solaris.) > I think $| manages to achieve its boolean magic without using tie. But this is just a guess based on your test. > Anyway, I guess the larger moral of this story is that $| has a > Boolean value, and you should only think of it in terms of true > (nonzero) or false (zero), and not do math operations on it. Why > would you want to increment $|, anyway? > $| = 1; # autoflush pipes $|++; # same as $| = 1; $| = 0; # umm, clog pipes $|--; # same as $| = 0; What's neat is that you can $|++ all you want, but the highest value that $| will ever have is 1; similarly, you can $|-- all you want, but it'll always be ... And it's the ... that I was trying to get Data::Dumper to tell me: I expected to see either 0 or undef as the value for $|--, but instead saw 1. The reason I even care about this is that I like having the option to toggle $| either by setting it directly or by (in|de)crementing it. More to the point, I like this option so much that yesterday I wrote up Tie::Boolean that allows one to stuff like this: package Person; use Tie::Boolean; sub new { my ( $invocant, %args, ) = @_; my $class = ref $invocant || $invocant; my $self = \%args; tie $self->{effusive}, q/Tie::Boolean/, 0; bless $self, $class; $self->effusive++ if $self->{job} =~ /sales/i; return $self; } sub effusive : lvalue { # lvalue is experimental my $self = shift; $self->{effusive}; # don't use return } sub introduce { my $self = shift; if ( $self->effusive ) { print "Salutations! Greetings! Avast, matey!\n"; } print "My name is ", $self->{name}, " and I am a ", $self->{job}, "\n"; } package main; my $resident = Person->new( name => 'Betty Rubble', job => 'Comptroller', ); my $salesman = Person->new( name => 'Fred Flintstone', job => 'Encyclopedia Salesman' ); $salesman->introduce(); # he's in sales, he's effusive $resident->introduce(); # she's not in sales, not effusive $salesman->effusive--; # make him more guarded $resident->effusive++; # make her more effusive $salesman->introduce(); # they meet again! $resident->introduce(); exit; See, being able to do: $resident->effusive++; gives me two things: 1. It saves me a whopping 1 keystroke: $resident->effusive(1); # old, set explicitly $resident->effusive++; # new (Of course, either of these invocations would work.) 2. But I'm really not much of a golfer, so I actually don't care about shaving off 1 keystroke. The big gain for me is that effusive() doesn't have to care what data it's being handed. Internally, Tie::Boolean represents true as (surprise) 1 and false as (surprise again) 0. At the end of the day yesterday I had a crisis of correctness: should false be zero, or undef, or an empty string? So I tried asking Data::Dumper the value of --$|, and got right confused when Dumper thought --$| was the same as ++$|. Oh, in the end, I decided to use 0 for false: the module is called Tie::Boolean, not Tie::Defined. Thanks to anyone who read this far. Belden From blyman at iii.com Thu Jan 16 11:26:24 2003 From: blyman at iii.com (Belden Lyman) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:27 2004 Subject: [oak perl] Re: [sf-perl] print Dumper \$|; References: <3E25FD34.8070205@iii.com> <20030116032834.GY8638@mythix.realprogrammers.com> Message-ID: <3E26EB40.7040607@iii.com> Paul Makepeace wrote: > On Wed, Jan 15, 2003 at 04:30:44PM -0800, Belden Lyman wrote: > >>Flush pipes, print $|: >> >> % perl -MData::Dumper -e '$|++; print Dumper \$|' >> $VAR1 = \'1'; >> >>Okay, I believe that. >> >>Clog pipes, print $|: >> >> % perl -MData::Dumper -e '$|--; print Dumper \$|' >> $VAR1 = \'1'; >> >>Huh? Same value? That can't be right though, because > > > This is a known perl oddity, and often used by golfers and obfuscators > as a toggler. > > $ perl -le 'print "p",--$|,"ng!" for 1..4' > p1ng! > p0ng! > p1ng! > p0ng! > $ > > Paul > Sure, I know that. :) My intended question was, "How come Data::Dumper thinks $|-- has the same value as $|++ ?" Your example is better at showing that $| obviously is changing value. But it doesn't explain why printing $| using Data::Dumper always gives back \'1', seemingly without regard to the actual value of $| at the time. I suspect the problem is that within the context of Data::Dumper, $| is always flushed, but I'm grasping here. Belden From blyman at iii.com Thu Jan 16 12:32:44 2003 From: blyman at iii.com (Belden Lyman) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:27 2004 Subject: [oak perl] Re: [sf-perl] print Dumper \$|; References: <3E25FD34.8070205@iii.com> <20030116032834.GY8638@mythix.realprogrammers.com> <3E26EB40.7040607@iii.com> <20030116175701.GO13259@mythix.realprogrammers.com> Message-ID: <3E26FACC.7090705@iii.com> Paul Makepeace wrote: > On Thu, Jan 16, 2003 at 09:26:24AM -0800, Belden Lyman wrote: > > That's because you fiddled with it each time before you printed it :-) > To wit, > >>>> % perl -MData::Dumper -e '$|++; print Dumper \$|' >>>> % perl -MData::Dumper -e '$|--; print Dumper \$|' >>> > > If you leave it unfettered it'll come back zero, > Ahh, you're saying that in regards to $|, I should just weaver alone. > $ perl -MData::Dumper -e 'print Dumper \$|' > $VAR1 = \'0'; > $ > > I could've misunderstood the question a second time, in which case I'll > just keep quiet from now :-) > I misunderstood your first answer. Too much wooley in my eyes, perhaps. (ugh, can you believe I actually mailed that out?!) At any rate, you've given me the answer of what an unflushed $| looks like (yipee, 0), which re-enforces my idea that Tie::Boolean is doing the right thing with false. > Cheers, > Paul > > PS Next post has to covertly use someone else's last name in it... > Couldn't quite fit in a Torkington or Cozens, alas. Thanks Paul From Paul.Makepeace at realprogrammers.com Thu Jan 16 11:57:01 2003 From: Paul.Makepeace at realprogrammers.com (Paul Makepeace) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:27 2004 Subject: [oak perl] Re: [sf-perl] print Dumper \$|; In-Reply-To: <3E26EB40.7040607@iii.com> References: <3E25FD34.8070205@iii.com> <20030116032834.GY8638@mythix.realprogrammers.com> <3E26EB40.7040607@iii.com> Message-ID: <20030116175701.GO13259@mythix.realprogrammers.com> On Thu, Jan 16, 2003 at 09:26:24AM -0800, Belden Lyman wrote: > Paul Makepeace wrote: > >On Wed, Jan 15, 2003 at 04:30:44PM -0800, Belden Lyman wrote: > > > >>Flush pipes, print $|: > >> > >> % perl -MData::Dumper -e '$|++; print Dumper \$|' > >> $VAR1 = \'1'; > >> > >>Okay, I believe that. > >> > >>Clog pipes, print $|: > >> > >> % perl -MData::Dumper -e '$|--; print Dumper \$|' > >> $VAR1 = \'1'; > >> > >>Huh? Same value? That can't be right though, because > > > > > >This is a known perl oddity, and often used by golfers and obfuscators > >as a toggler. > > > >$ perl -le 'print "p",--$|,"ng!" for 1..4' > >p1ng! > >p0ng! > >p1ng! > >p0ng! > >$ > > > >Paul > > > > > Sure, I know that. :) > > My intended question was, "How come Data::Dumper thinks $|-- has the > same value as $|++ ?" Because they *do* have the same value: --$| == ++$| The use of Data::Dumper is a red herring here. You've accepted that $| is magical but haven't shown in any way that DD is inconsistent with simply printing its value. > Your example is better at showing that $| obviously is changing value. > But it doesn't explain why printing $| using Data::Dumper always gives > back \'1', seemingly without regard to the actual value of $| at the > time. That's because you fiddled with it each time before you printed it :-) To wit, > >> % perl -MData::Dumper -e '$|++; print Dumper \$|' > >> % perl -MData::Dumper -e '$|--; print Dumper \$|' If you leave it unfettered it'll come back zero, $ perl -MData::Dumper -e 'print Dumper \$|' $VAR1 = \'0'; $ I could've misunderstood the question a second time, in which case I'll just keep quiet from now :-) Cheers, Paul PS Next post has to covertly use someone else's last name in it... -- Paul Makepeace ....................................... http://paulm.com/ "If the answer is 5, then evolution will determine the colour." -- http://paulm.com/toys/surrealism/ From dlowe at saturn5.com Thu Jan 16 13:00:55 2003 From: dlowe at saturn5.com (David Lowe) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:27 2004 Subject: [sf-perl] Re: [oak perl] print Dumper \$|; In-Reply-To: <3E26E9D2.2060205@iii.com> Message-ID: Belden et al. - On Thu, 16 Jan 2003, Belden Lyman wrote: > I think $| manages to achieve its boolean magic without using tie. But > this is just a guess based on your test. tie() is just the only perl-side interface to the general perl internals notion of a 'magic' variable (yes, the technical term). `perldoc perlguts` has all the gory details, under the heading "Magic Variables". $| is magical (mg_type == '\0', I'm pretty sure), but not tied (mg_type == 'q'). :: J. David Lowe : dlowe@saturn5.com : http://saturn5.com/~dlowe/ "Love does not consist in gazing at each other but in looking outward together in the same direction." -Antoine de Saint-Exupery, /The Little Prince/ From george at metaart.org Thu Jan 16 18:45:59 2003 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:27 2004 Subject: [oak perl] O'Reilly User Group Newsletter: January 16, 2003 Message-ID: <200301161645.59060.george@metaart.org> We have received a newsletter from the O'Reilly UG Program. You may want to take a look at it at http://oakland.pm.org/newsletters/2003/newsletter_20030116.txt Let me know if you want to review a particular O'Reilly book you see in the newsletter. I may be able to get you a review copy. From blyman at iii.com Fri Jan 17 12:25:26 2003 From: blyman at iii.com (Belden Lyman) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:27 2004 Subject: [oak perl] yoda speak translator Message-ID: <3E284A96.7020003@iii.com> We were talking about the yoda speak translator. I hacked up one of the versions found at http://perlmonks.thepen.com/162190.html and fed in a quote from Ovid: "Chance is always powerful. Let your hook always be cast; in the pool where you least expect it, there will be a fish." I got: "Always powerful chance is. Cast let your hook always be; Be a fish in the pool where you least expect it, there will." Have fun - Belden From george at metaart.org Fri Jan 17 20:28:25 2003 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:27 2004 Subject: [oak perl] yoda speak translator In-Reply-To: <3E284A96.7020003@iii.com> References: <3E284A96.7020003@iii.com> Message-ID: <200301171828.25424.george@metaart.org> I like it a lot. Perhaps you (or, if you don't wish to, someone else in the group) could turn this into a cgi. -- George On Friday 17 January 2003 10:25 am, Belden Lyman wrote: > We were talking about the yoda speak translator. I hacked > up one of the versions found at > > http://perlmonks.thepen.com/162190.html > > and fed in a quote from Ovid: > > "Chance is always powerful. Let your hook always be cast; > in the pool where you least expect it, there will be a fish." > > I got: > > "Always powerful chance is. Cast let your hook always be; > Be a fish in the pool where you least expect it, there will." > > Have fun - Belden From george at metaart.org Mon Jan 20 09:57:56 2003 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:27 2004 Subject: [oak perl] YAPC::NA 2003 Message-ID: <200301200757.56493.george@metaart.org> The official dates for Yet Another Perl Conference 2003 (North America) are June 16-18. It will be held in Florida. See http://yapc.org/America/ Perhaps you'd like to submit a proposal for a paper. -- George From extasia at mindspring.com Tue Jan 21 14:22:10 2003 From: extasia at mindspring.com (David Alban) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:27 2004 Subject: [oak perl] 'Using perl with large SQL databases' Wed Jan 22nd 7:30 PM Message-ID: <20030121122210.A18793@new.gerasimov.net> Greetings! I have no relationship with mindsource (a tech headhunter) other than having had applied with them a year and a half ago. I just thought this looked like something that would be of interest to the opug community. David ----- Forwarded message from MindSource Software ----- Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 22:50:31 -0800 (PST) From: MindSource Software To: extasia@mindspring.com Reply-To: events@mindsource.com Subject: Reminder: BoF #46 'Using perl with large SQL databases' Wed Jan 22nd 7:30 PM Reminder: MindSource BoF #46 Wed Night (Jan 22nd 2003) Managing large relational databases with Perl with a focus study on Generating SQL statements with Perl. Agenda for BoF # 46 Date: Wednesday, January 22nd 2003 Time: 7:30 PM (arrive early to register for drawing) Where: Michael's at Shoreline Restaurant and Bar, Mountain View (near golf course) What: Perl / SQL databases with Joseph Hall Noted author, perl wizard, and Mindsource Engineer, Joseph Hall will demonstrate techniques for managing tables space in relational databases and special routines for generating SQL code from perl libraries. Joseph will also give away signed copies of his book, Effective Perl Programming" Addison Wesley. (co-authored with Randall) He may even talk about his plans for an updated version of this widely read book. We'll begin the session with an in-depth review of the use of tables and data dictionaries. You'll get a thorough and quick treatment of DBI.PM. Joseph will provide examples of creating SQL queries manually, and using an automated (and more civilized) method of generating SQL with perl. Finally, we'll wind up with a brief demo of a working database to allow people to understand these concepts from a practical stand- point. # ------ To be /r e m o v e d/ from this list please reply with remove in the subject line. Questions? Call us or fax us. 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Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/oakland/attachments/20030121/5d74de69/attachment.bin From a_lamothe at operamail.com Tue Jan 21 21:34:30 2003 From: a_lamothe at operamail.com (Adrien Lamothe) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:27 2004 Subject: [oak perl] 'Using perl with large SQL databases' Wed Jan 22nd 7:30 PM Message-ID: <20030122033431.14428.qmail@operamail.com> If Dave Clark is still at Mindsource, then you should definitely attend if you are looking for a job. Dave is an awesome technical recruiter, and I believe he is the founder of Mindsource. ----- Original Message ----- From: David Alban Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 12:22:10 -0800 To: oakland@mail.pm.org Subject: [oak perl] 'Using perl with large SQL databases' Wed Jan 22nd 7:30 PM > Greetings! > > I have no relationship with mindsource (a tech headhunter) other than > having had applied with them a year and a half ago. I just thought > this looked like something that would be of interest to the opug > community. > > David > > ----- Forwarded message from MindSource Software ----- > > Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 22:50:31 -0800 (PST) > From: MindSource Software > To: extasia@mindspring.com > Reply-To: events@mindsource.com > Subject: Reminder: BoF #46 'Using perl with large SQL databases' Wed Jan 22nd 7:30 PM > > Reminder: > MindSource BoF #46 Wed Night (Jan 22nd 2003) > > Managing large relational databases with Perl > with a focus study on > Generating SQL statements with Perl. > > Agenda for BoF # 46 > > Date: Wednesday, January 22nd 2003 > Time: 7:30 PM (arrive early to register for drawing) > Where: Michael's at Shoreline Restaurant and Bar, Mountain View > (near golf course) > What: Perl / SQL databases with Joseph Hall > > > > Noted author, perl wizard, and Mindsource Engineer, Joseph > Hall will demonstrate techniques for managing tables > space in relational databases and special routines for > generating SQL code from perl libraries. > > Joseph will also give away signed copies of his book, Effective > Perl Programming" Addison Wesley. (co-authored with Randall) He > may even talk about his plans for an updated version of this > widely read book. > > We'll begin the session with an in-depth review of the use of > tables and data dictionaries. You'll get a thorough and > quick treatment of DBI.PM. > > Joseph will provide examples of creating SQL queries manually, > and using an automated (and more civilized) method of > generating SQL with perl. > > Finally, we'll wind up with a brief demo of a working database to > allow people to understand these concepts from a practical stand- > point. > > > > > # ------ > To be /r e m o v e d/ from this list please reply with remove in the > subject line. > > Questions? Call us or fax us. > > This message has been sent in accordance with Federal and State Legislation > regarding /u n s o l i c i t e d/ commercial /e - m a i l ./ > 650.254.8909(voice) 650.254.8907(fax) > > # ------ > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > > -- > Live in a world of your own, but always welcome visitors. > *** > Come to sig-beer-west! http://www.gerasimov.net/~alban/sig.beer.west.html > Unix sysadmin available: http://www.gerasimov.net/~alban/ -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mymail.operamail.com Powered by Outblaze From aim at bms.umist.ac.uk Wed Jan 22 06:30:03 2003 From: aim at bms.umist.ac.uk (Aimal Pashtoonmal) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:27 2004 Subject: [oak perl] RE: perl one liners Message-ID: <3E2E8ECA.217CB68D@bms.umist.ac.uk> Dear Oakland, I visited your site on one-line perl as trying to use one liner perl to subtract numbers in two columns, are yo able to help me please? Hear is what a typical file looks like: a12345.1 32323jkjkjk32k3j2j3 56565 dfdfdfdfdfd 10 20 454545 b67891.1 54545k4l5k4lkl445 78787 ghghghghgh 15 30 667676 I am trying to subtract column 5 from column 6 and then to print the results in a new colum next to column 6 so that: a12345.1 32323jkjkjk32k3j2j3 56565 dfdfdfdfdfd 10 20 10 454545 b67891.1 54545k4l5k4lkl445 78787 ghghghghgh 15 30 15 667676 or even pass them into a new fil without the last column. Kindest regards, amal. From blyman at iii.com Wed Jan 22 10:52:40 2003 From: blyman at iii.com (Belden Lyman) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:27 2004 Subject: [oak perl] RE: perl one liners References: <3E2E8ECA.217CB68D@bms.umist.ac.uk> Message-ID: <3E2ECC58.1020905@iii.com> Here's one solution. perl -i -F'\t' -ape 's;;join qq/\t/, @F[0-5], $F[5]-$F[4];e' * Aimal Pashtoonmal wrote: > Dear Oakland, > > I visited your site on one-line perl as trying to use one liner perl to > subtract numbers in two columns, are yo able to help me please? > > Hear is what a typical file looks like: > > a12345.1 32323jkjkjk32k3j2j3 56565 dfdfdfdfdfd 10 20 > 454545 > b67891.1 54545k4l5k4lkl445 78787 ghghghghgh 15 30 667676 > > I am trying to subtract column 5 from column 6 and then to print the > results in a new colum next to column 6 so that: > > a12345.1 32323jkjkjk32k3j2j3 56565 dfdfdfdfdfd 10 20 > 10 454545 > b67891.1 54545k4l5k4lkl445 78787 ghghghghgh 15 30 > 15 667676 > > or even pass them into a new fil without the last column. > > Kindest regards, amal. > > From a_lamothe at operamail.com Tue Jan 28 02:10:47 2003 From: a_lamothe at operamail.com (Adrien Lamothe) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:27 2004 Subject: [oak perl] 'Using perl with large SQL databases' Wed Jan 22nd 7:30 PM Message-ID: <20030128081049.10443.qmail@operamail.com> David Alban and myself did attend this event. Joseph Hall is the co-author of "Effective Perl Programming." He is currently developing a Perl package to simplify working with relational databases. I found his presentation (which was actually a 3 hour tutorial on some aspects of his package) very interesting. I gave George Woolley the hard copy of slides from the presentation. Joseph said that he plans to post the slides to his web site soon; the URL is www.5sigma.com/perl/. His web site is currently down. His package is only available for use by the client that is paying him to develop it, so the presentation was basically a promotional event for him and Mindsource (the consulting company he is working through on the project.) However, the presentation was useful in that it shows how Perl can be applied to a fairly complex problem space. ----- Original Message ----- From: David Alban Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 12:22:10 -0800 To: oakland@mail.pm.org Subject: [oak perl] 'Using perl with large SQL databases' Wed Jan 22nd 7:30 PM > Greetings! > > I have no relationship with mindsource (a tech headhunter) other than > having had applied with them a year and a half ago. I just thought > this looked like something that would be of interest to the opug > community. > > David > > ----- Forwarded message from MindSource Software ----- > > Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 22:50:31 -0800 (PST) > From: MindSource Software > To: extasia@mindspring.com > Reply-To: events@mindsource.com > Subject: Reminder: BoF #46 'Using perl with large SQL databases' Wed Jan 22nd 7:30 PM > > Reminder: > MindSource BoF #46 Wed Night (Jan 22nd 2003) > > Managing large relational databases with Perl > with a focus study on > Generating SQL statements with Perl. > > Agenda for BoF # 46 > > Date: Wednesday, January 22nd 2003 > Time: 7:30 PM (arrive early to register for drawing) > Where: Michael's at Shoreline Restaurant and Bar, Mountain View > (near golf course) > What: Perl / SQL databases with Joseph Hall > > > > Noted author, perl wizard, and Mindsource Engineer, Joseph > Hall will demonstrate techniques for managing tables > space in relational databases and special routines for > generating SQL code from perl libraries. > > Joseph will also give away signed copies of his book, Effective > Perl Programming" Addison Wesley. (co-authored with Randall) He > may even talk about his plans for an updated version of this > widely read book. > > We'll begin the session with an in-depth review of the use of > tables and data dictionaries. You'll get a thorough and > quick treatment of DBI.PM. > > Joseph will provide examples of creating SQL queries manually, > and using an automated (and more civilized) method of > generating SQL with perl. > > Finally, we'll wind up with a brief demo of a working database to > allow people to understand these concepts from a practical stand- > point. > > > > > # ------ > To be /r e m o v e d/ from this list please reply with remove in the > subject line. > > Questions? Call us or fax us. > > This message has been sent in accordance with Federal and State Legislation > regarding /u n s o l i c i t e d/ commercial /e - m a i l ./ > 650.254.8909(voice) 650.254.8907(fax) > > # ------ > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > > -- > Live in a world of your own, but always welcome visitors. > *** > Come to sig-beer-west! http://www.gerasimov.net/~alban/sig.beer.west.html > Unix sysadmin available: http://www.gerasimov.net/~alban/ -- _______________________________________________ http://www.operamail.com Now with OperaMail Premium for only US$29.99/yr Powered by Outblaze From blyman at iii.com Wed Jan 29 14:42:19 2003 From: blyman at iii.com (Belden Lyman) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:27 2004 Subject: [oak perl] Slides from a recent London.pm talk Message-ID: <3E383CAB.9090900@iii.com> [ I just posted this to sf.pm.org ] I'm on the London.pm list - amid all the talk of pubs and dim sum restaurants, there's stuff that's actually relevant people on our side of the pond. Recently Leon Brocard (author of Acme::Buffy and several other not-as-silly modules) gave a talk titled ``Core Perl Modules You May Not Know About.'' Slides are at http://www.astray.com/coremodules/ Have fun - Belden From george at metaart.org Fri Jan 31 21:37:01 2003 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:27 2004 Subject: [oak perl] O'Reilly User Group Newsletter: January 31, 2003 Message-ID: <200301311937.01164.george@metaart.org> We have received a newsletter from the O'Reilly UG Program. You may want to take a look at it at: http://oakland.pm.org/oreilly/2003/newsletter_20030131.txt Let me know if you want to review a particular O'Reilly book, especially if you see it in the newsletter. I may be able to get you a review copy. ------------------------------------------------------- From george at metaart.org Fri Jan 31 21:48:34 2003 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:27 2004 Subject: [oak perl] Blogging? Message-ID: <200301311948.34109.george@metaart.org> Anyone interested in blogging? Jennifer, if my memory serves me well. Anyone else? I did a review of "Essential Blogging". See: http://oakland.pm.org/reviews/blogging.html I got Blosxom running. It's powered by a single short Perl program. Boy was that easy. I dig minimalism. Any thoughts on Blosxom? Any thoughts on the review? From a_lamothe at operamail.com Fri Jan 31 21:48:45 2003 From: a_lamothe at operamail.com (Adrien Lamothe) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:27 2004 Subject: [oak perl] O'Reilly User Group Newsletter: January 31, 2003 Message-ID: <20030201034845.14289.qmail@operamail.com> Thanks for forwarding the newsletters. Does this happen "automagically," or do you forward them to the group? ----- Original Message ----- From: George Woolley Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 19:37:01 -0800 To: oakland@mail.pm.org Subject: [oak perl] O'Reilly User Group Newsletter: January 31, 2003 > We have received a newsletter from the O'Reilly UG Program. > You may want to take a look at it at: > http://oakland.pm.org/oreilly/2003/newsletter_20030131.txt > > Let me know if you want to review a particular O'Reilly book, > especially if you see it in the newsletter. > I may be able to get you a review copy. > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > Oakland mailing list > Oakland@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/oakland -- _______________________________________________ http://www.operamail.com Now with OperaMail Premium for only US$29.99/yr Powered by Outblaze From a_lamothe at operamail.com Fri Jan 31 21:48:45 2003 From: a_lamothe at operamail.com (Adrien Lamothe) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:27 2004 Subject: [oak perl] O'Reilly User Group Newsletter: January 31, 2003 Message-ID: <20030201034845.14376.qmail@operamail.com> Thanks for forwarding the newsletters. Does this happen "automagically," or do you forward them to the group? ----- Original Message ----- From: George Woolley Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 19:37:01 -0800 To: oakland@mail.pm.org Subject: [oak perl] O'Reilly User Group Newsletter: January 31, 2003 > We have received a newsletter from the O'Reilly UG Program. > You may want to take a look at it at: > http://oakland.pm.org/oreilly/2003/newsletter_20030131.txt > > Let me know if you want to review a particular O'Reilly book, > especially if you see it in the newsletter. > I may be able to get you a review copy. > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > Oakland mailing list > Oakland@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/oakland -- _______________________________________________ http://www.operamail.com Now with OperaMail Premium for only US$29.99/yr Powered by Outblaze From a_lamothe at operamail.com Fri Jan 31 21:54:39 2003 From: a_lamothe at operamail.com (Adrien Lamothe) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:27 2004 Subject: [oak perl] Blogging? Message-ID: <20030201035439.15105.qmail@operamail.com> The review is nicely written. The one thing I didn't care for is how the text is contained within a rather narrow column on the right side of the web page, but I was still able to read it easily. ----- Original Message ----- From: George Woolley Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 19:48:34 -0800 To: oakland@mail.pm.org Subject: [oak perl] Blogging? > Anyone interested in blogging? > Jennifer, if my memory serves me well. > Anyone else? > > I did a review of "Essential Blogging". See: > http://oakland.pm.org/reviews/blogging.html > I got Blosxom running. > It's powered by a single short Perl program. > Boy was that easy. > I dig minimalism. > > Any thoughts on Blosxom? > Any thoughts on the review? > _______________________________________________ > Oakland mailing list > Oakland@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/oakland -- _______________________________________________ http://www.operamail.com Now with OperaMail Premium for only US$29.99/yr Powered by Outblaze From george at metaart.org Fri Jan 31 22:03:50 2003 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:27 2004 Subject: [oak perl] Definitive HTTP Book? Message-ID: <200301312003.50418.george@metaart.org> Anyone else looked at "HTTP: The Definitive Guide"? Anyone have some other book they especially recommend on HTTP? I decided to do a review of "HTTP: The Definitive Guide". I read (but clearly did not fully grok) every page including the appendixes. The review is at: http://oakland.pm.org/reviews/http.html Any comments on the resulting review? Oh, part of the reason I wanted to engage with it was because of the upcoming talk on writing LWP agents by Dan Meriwether. -- George From george at metaart.org Fri Jan 31 22:20:38 2003 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:27 2004 Subject: [oak perl] Fear of Forking? Message-ID: <200301312020.38434.george@metaart.org> Anyone read Rick Moen's "Fear of Forking" essay? I like the other title too: "Why Linux Won't Fork". I gather the essay has been recently updated, but I'd somehow missed the earlier version(s). Before I dove into it, I actually wondered what his point was about forking in Linux. But it's a pun and a (gag) fun one too. Anyway I'd be interested in comments on his essay. Personally I found it very engaging. Oh, yeah, it's at: http://www.linuxmafia.com/~rick/essays/forking.html Any comments on Rick Moen's essay? From george at metaart.org Fri Jan 31 22:30:09 2003 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:27 2004 Subject: [oak perl] O'Reilly User Group Newsletter: January 31, 2003 In-Reply-To: <20030201034845.14289.qmail@operamail.com> References: <20030201034845.14289.qmail@operamail.com> Message-ID: <200301312030.09302.george@metaart.org> Good question. Currently, neither placing the newsletter on the website nor posting news of it's availability are automagical. You've got me thinking. Thanks. On Friday 31 January 2003 7:48 pm, Adrien Lamothe wrote: > Thanks for forwarding the newsletters. Does this happen > "automagically," or do you forward them to the group? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: George Woolley > Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 19:37:01 -0800 > To: oakland@mail.pm.org > Subject: [oak perl] O'Reilly User Group Newsletter: January > 31, 2003 > > > We have received a newsletter from the O'Reilly UG > > Program. > > > You may want to take a look at it at: > > http://oakland.pm.org/oreilly/2003/newsletter_20030131.txt > > > Let me know if you want to review a particular O'Reilly > > book, > > > especially if you see it in the newsletter. > > I may be able to get you a review copy. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Oakland mailing list > > Oakland@mail.pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/oakland From george at metaart.org Fri Jan 31 23:23:54 2003 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:27 2004 Subject: [oak perl] Member Profiles Message-ID: <200301312123.54706.george@metaart.org> We now have 8 member profiles on the website. (On January 1, we had 2.) See: http://oakland.pm.org/detail/members.html If your profile is there and you see something amiss, let me know. But the idea is that they be brief (say 50 words or less), so please don't just add detail unless it's really key and keep the total under 50 words, if you possibly can. If your profile is not there and you wish to have one, check out what's there, compose something brief (under 50 words) and send it to me, requesting that I add it. -- George From a_lamothe at operamail.com Fri Jan 31 23:29:35 2003 From: a_lamothe at operamail.com (Adrien Lamothe) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:27 2004 Subject: [oak perl] Member Profiles Message-ID: <20030201052935.16325.qmail@operamail.com> George, Thanks for promptly posting the profile. Two things need correction: 1. My last name is Lamothe, with a lower-case "m". 2. I would remove the quotations from "web site". I included these in my email to delineate the anchored text. Thanks again, Adrien ----- Original Message ----- From: George Woolley Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 21:23:54 -0800 To: oakland@mail.pm.org Subject: [oak perl] Member Profiles > We now have 8 member profiles on the website. > (On January 1, we had 2.) > See: http://oakland.pm.org/detail/members.html > > If your profile is there and you see something amiss, > let me know. > But the idea is that they be brief (say 50 words or less), > so please don't just add detail unless it's really key > and keep the total under 50 words, if you possibly can. > > If your profile is not there and you wish to have one, > check out what's there, > compose something brief (under 50 words) > and send it to me, requesting that I add it. > > -- George > _______________________________________________ > Oakland mailing list > Oakland@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/oakland -- _______________________________________________ http://www.operamail.com Now with OperaMail Premium for only US$29.99/yr Powered by Outblaze From george at metaart.org Fri Jan 31 23:55:24 2003 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:27 2004 Subject: [oak perl] Member Profiles In-Reply-To: <20030201052935.16325.qmail@operamail.com> References: <20030201052935.16325.qmail@operamail.com> Message-ID: <200301312155.24278.george@metaart.org> Adrien, Thanks for checking it out. The fixes are now on the site. -- George On Friday 31 January 2003 9:29 pm, Adrien Lamothe wrote: > George, > > Thanks for promptly posting the profile. Two things need > correction: 1. My last name is Lamothe, with a lower-case > "m". 2. I would remove the quotations from "web site". > I included these in my email to delineate the anchored > text. > > Thanks again, > > Adrien