[oak perl] "Natural" Languages

George Woolley george at metaart.org
Tue Nov 26 03:00:38 CST 2002


Mike,

Re: Tia
I think it would be fun.
In fact, I'm committed to it being fun.
Let us know what she says.

I think we can give her some help.
Perl (and Linux) people know other Perl people.
Hey, I was able to contact a Perl user from Africa
even though the one group listed in Africa was not real.
I did it through a post on the London.pm mailing list. 
I'm told London.pm has around 300 members.
And there can be surprising side effects.
Beldin learned of this group from my post
on the London.pm mailing list.
Anyway there are people in our group
who can help.

Re you:
Great!
Let's make sure it's enjoyable.

Best wishes,
George


On Tuesday 26 November 2002 12:12 am, M. Lewis wrote:
> George,
>
> I'm sure Tia would like to help if she can. She maintains regular
> contact via phone and email with her relatives in Georgia. If there was
> a chance she could communicate with someone in Georgia or Russia on our
> behalf in the name of Perl, she'd likely enjoy it. I'll ask.
>
> Sure, I'll take on the Ambassadorship for the Southern US. I'm not
> precisely sure what I just volunteered myself for, but oh well.....
>
> M
>
> On Mon, 2002-11-25 at 23:54, George Woolley wrote:
> > Mike,
> >
> > Re Tia:
> > Thanks for telling us her name: Tia.
> >
> > I'm thinking of a (Perl) ambassador for our group as someone
> > who makes and/or strengthens connections with Perl groups/users
> > in the country or area they are ambassador to.
> > In my opinion, it's not essential they know much Perl.
> >
> > Being Ambassador for Russia and Georgia
> > would require some ingenuity
> > since I haven't been able to identify a group in either country.
> > If being such an ambassador doesn't strike her fancy, that's kool!
> > Then again, it might be fun.
> >
> > As an alternative,
> > if she liked the idea, we could list her as translator.
> > There's nothing to translate from those countries now.
> > But later, who knows.
> > If it's really large gobs of stuff, let's not bother.
> >
> > Re You:
> > Do I understand correctly that you are willing to be our Ambassador
> > to Perl  Groups in the Southern part of the United States?
> > If so, kool!
> > Translation may, indeed, be relevant.
> >
> > Best wishes,
> > George
> >
> > On Monday 25 November 2002 10:27 pm, M. Lewis wrote:
> > > Hmmm... not sure how willing she would be to join the group. She does
> > > have an interest in what I do, but not sure how deeply that interest
> > > runs.
> > >
> > > Her name is Tia.
> > >
> > > I'm sure she would translate anything in Russian or Georgian that we
> > > would need, unless maybe it was thousands of lines of code. Hmmm, is
> > > there a Russian version of Perl ? Probably a dumb question.
> > >
> > > Yes, I will be happy to be the Southern Ambassador to the group. I'll
> > > translate as required for the group....
> > >
> > > M
> > >
> > > On Mon, 2002-11-25 at 18:18, George Woolley wrote:
> > > > Mike,
> > > > I hear you.
> > > >
> > > > Is your g/f willing to join the group
> > > > and be Russian ambassador and Georgian ambasador?
> > > > Does she have a name we are allowed to know?
> > > > If she is willing to join the group that would be way kool!
> > > > See http://marsneedswomen.pm.org for my sentiments on this.
> > > > She doesn't need to get deep into perl,
> > > > though it would be kool if she did Hello World or the like in Perl.
> > > > Of course, if she likes Perl, ...
> > > >
> > > > Does this mean that you're OK with being ambasador to the US South?
> > > >
> > > > -- George
> > > >
> > > > P.S. The abbreviation g/f intrigues me.
> > > > For reasons unknown, I had never encountered it before.
> > > > How is it pronounced -- gif?
> > > > For that matter how is .gif pronounced?
> > > >
> > > > On Monday 25 November 2002 5:48 pm, cajun at cajuninc.com wrote:
> > > > > George, you should edit your listing a bit.
> > > > >
> > > > > Russian - Mike's g/f
> > > > > Georgian (As in Fed. Rep. of Georgia) - Mike's g/f
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > >
> > > > > Quoting George Woolley <george at metaart.org>:
> > > > > > Belden,
> > > > > > Kool!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Why do I ask?
> > > > > > Well, I'm aware of several motivations, two of which follow,
> > > > > > and all of which have to do with future contacts
> > > > > > with PM groups around the world.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > (1) I'm thinking of doing a follow up to my earlier "Perl is all
> > > > > > over" Quest,
> > > > > > with more and deeper coverage of the Globe.
> > > > > > I'd like to involve others in our group and
> > > > > > I'd also like us to be able to connect with some of the groups I
> > > > > > ignored because of my limited knowlege of different languages.
> > > > > > (2) I'm thinking it might be fun to have ambassadors
> > > > > > (or some such) to other Perl groups,
> > > > > > many of which are in other countries in other areas of the world.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I've actually talked to Arden Schaeffer about being French
> > > > > > ambassador. He knows French quite well and, in fact, speaks it
> > > > > > every day. He's a linguist and he might later take on other
> > > > > > countries. He's definitely interested.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hm, Let me imagine for a moment.
> > > > > > Nobody has agreed to anything, but, who knows, maybe:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > other Bay Area PM -- Ken
> > > > > > US South -- Mike
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Corsica -- Arden
> > > > > > France -- Arden
> > > > > > Russia -- Mike
> > > > > > Taiwan -- Belden
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Central America -- George
> > > > > > South America -- Belden
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Or perhaps you prefer to be ambassador to a different area or
> > > > > > country. (Or not to be one at all)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I like that there are lots of areas not covered,
> > > > > > so newcomers could get involved easily, if they wanted to.
> > > > > > It's kool to know various languages,
> > > > > > but an ambassador doesn't absolutely have to know the language.
> > > > > > Besides which, there are many openings for countries or areas
> > > > > > which speak primarily English.
> > > > > > Hey, who wants to be ambassador to the United Kingdom,
> > > > > > which includes the wonderful  London.pm.
> > > > > > Or maybe there should be a separate ambassador for London.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Now that I think of it, these two ideas work well together.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Best wishes,
> > > > > > George
> > > > > >
> > > > > > P.S> Belden, thanks for asking!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Monday 25 November 2002 3:33 pm, Belden Lyman wrote:
> > > > > > > George Woolley wrote:
> > > > > > > > Hm, Belden mentions Chinese in his recent post.
> > > > > > > > Anyone know any other "natural" languages (i.e. besides
> > > > > > > > English) well enough they can understand some of the Perl
> > > > > > > > Mongers sites around the world containing them?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I grok Chinese and Spanish. Spanish gives me a toe-hold to
> > > > > > > French and Portuguese.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > For example: Taipei.pm site at http://taipei.pm.org
> > > > > > > > The October 18 post looks like this to me:
> > > > > > > >     PHP, Perl, Python ..., ... Java. Net ..., ..., ... Party
> > > > > > > > ...! where the ...s are the language characters
> > > > > > > > of which I, unfortunately, am totally ignorant.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > They're saying that PHP, Perl, and Python are not
> > > > > > > in the Taiwanese "Common Business Terms" dictionary
> > > > > > > (or some similar title) - but Java and .NET are.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I looked at the other websites and can follow them,
> > > > > > > mostly.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > George, why do you ask?
> > > > > > >
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