From mthurn at verizon.net Tue Feb 24 06:50:47 2004 From: mthurn at verizon.net (Martin 'Kingpin' Thurn) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:18 2004 Subject: [Nova-pm] FIRST POST Message-ID: This is the first message to the Nova.pm mailing list! - - Martin From perldork at webwizarddesign.com Wed Feb 25 02:00:42 2004 From: perldork at webwizarddesign.com (Max Schubert) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:18 2004 Subject: [Nova-pm] Website up for NOVA.pm anywhere? Message-ID: <200402251800.i1PI0kBv022258@cgi-works.com> Hi, Is there a NOVA pm website up and running anywhere yet? If so, where :)? Regards, Max From mthurn at verizon.net Wed Feb 25 22:55:42 2004 From: mthurn at verizon.net (Martin 'Kingpin' Thurn) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:18 2004 Subject: [Nova-pm] Website up for NOVA.pm anywhere? In-Reply-To: <200402251800.i1PI0kBv022258@cgi-works.com> Message-ID: > Is there a NOVA pm website up and running anywhere yet? If so, No, we don't. nova.pm.org is set aside for us if we want to use it. Can you host it? Can you design it? ;-) P.S. Welcome, charter members! - - Martin From perldork at webwizarddesign.com Wed Feb 25 23:31:14 2004 From: perldork at webwizarddesign.com (Max Schubert) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:18 2004 Subject: [Nova-pm] Website up for NOVA.pm anywhere? Message-ID: <200402260531.i1Q5VE04003446@silver.max.earthlink.net> > No, we don't. nova.pm.org is set aside for us if we want to use it. > Can you host it? Can you design it? ;-) I can host it, yes. Right now my web hosting business is in a bit of a state of flux due to the state of flux with Red Hat, but regardless I do have plenty of server space and bandwidth for it now and I will in the future as well .. the site may just go through a server->server move over the next few months as I will be moving all my small group of customers to a new host once Ensim (www.ensim.com) has released its' Red Hat Enterprise edition and my hosting provider has server images of it available so I can get the second server I am holding onto imaged with the new control panel and OS. I use Ensim because it has a very nice web control panel for customers to use to manage their own sites and because it offers chrooted user accounts .. each site sits in its' own chrooted env as far as ftp and ssh are concerned. I also have a reseller account with Enom so I can get us a decent price on the domain name registration and hosting that includes a good web-based DNS manager .. $8.95/year is the price I can get on the domain (my cost) .. just an idea. Any DNS registrar is fine with me :) as long as they don't have a reputation for being awful, I just offer this as one possible way to go on the DNS .. or does the main .pm site host DNS so that all we have to do is add DNS records to point to the web host hosting the domain? I can design a site, buuuuut that is not my strength :) ... like many softare people I can do clean and functional HTML, but not very pretty: http://webwizarddesign.com/superfrm/ http://nmap-scanner.sf.net/ http://wwd-hosting.net/ensim/ are pages I have designed .. clean, but I would not call them pretty nor polished .. maybe not even that clean :P. > P.S. Welcome, charter members! Woohoo! It will be interesting to see how this group shapes up :). I can recommend CMSes that could make putting together a relatively pretty site easy, and one that is easily maintanable .. Do we want to stick with all perl for any server-side technology? Since this is a PM group, that makes sense to me. One blogger that can be used to make a nice site that is all perl is Moveable Type .. have any of you used it? I have and I like it from both a user perspective and from a look and feel perspective. Another perl-based CMS-type program I have used is TWiki (www.twiki.org) .. I bet a few of you here have used it .. the interface takes some work to make it pretty but it too can be used as a CMS and offers very nice group interaction abilities as it is an Wiki implementation. I have read about Siesta, an all-perl mailing list manager that looks really interesting, on www.perl.com .. have any of you used it? Other suggestions for CMSes or site design options / features? I think it would be nice to have a web-based bulletin board as well .. phpBB2 is a good OS/GPL one .. vBulletin is one I really like but it is $160 to buy or $99/yr to lease .. and neither of those are perl-based :P. Regards, Max From novapm at joelrichard.com Thu Feb 26 05:55:48 2004 From: novapm at joelrichard.com (Joel) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:18 2004 Subject: [Nova-pm] Website up for NOVA.pm anywhere? In-Reply-To: <200402260531.i1Q5VE04003446@silver.max.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Hi guys, >Other suggestions for CMSes or site design options / features? I think >it would be nice to have a web-based bulletin board as well .. phpBB2 >is a good OS/GPL one .. vBulletin is one I really like but it is $160 >to buy or $99/yr to lease .. and neither of those are perl-based :P. If you want a perl-based bulletin board, definitely look into ikonBoard at http://www.ikonboard.com . It's free (even for commercial use), full featured and very customizable, can be installed in hosted environments (i.e., you don't need root access to set it up) and can use either DBM or MySQL as it's back-end. We use it for several very busy boards for one of our clients (1.4 million posts and counting!) and are very pleased with it's performance. Since it's written entirely in Perl, it'll make lots of sense to us perl-lovin' folks. No need to get us mixed up with PHP if we can help it. :) The only thing it doesn't do, which I wish it did, is to act as an archive for mailing lists. But I bet there's a hack out there to make it do just that. Anyway, just a suggestion from someone who's had experience with it. --Joel From perldork at webwizarddesign.com Thu Feb 26 06:52:54 2004 From: perldork at webwizarddesign.com (Max) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:18 2004 Subject: [Nova-pm] Website up for NOVA.pm anywhere? Message-ID: <200402262253.i1QMr0Bv009003@cgi-works.com> Joel, On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 06:55:48 EST, Joel wrote: > If you want a perl-based bulletin board, definitely look into ikonBoard > at http://www.ikonboard.com . It's free (even for commercial use), full > featured and very customizable, can be installed in hosted environments > (i.e., you don't need root access to set it up) and can use either DBM or > MySQL as it's back-end. Nice! That one looks good to me :). I had heard of it waaay back at version pre 1.0 and it has come a long way. Looks great. > We use it for several very busy boards for one of our clients (1.4 > million posts and counting!) and are very pleased with it's performance. Very cool. I like what I see. > Since it's written entirely in Perl, it'll make lots of sense to us > perl-lovin' folks. No need to get us mixed up with PHP if we can help it. > :) Haha .. I program in a variety of high-level languages, but since this is a perl group, I will not 'go there' :P .. I have programmed perl longer than all the others .. for a perl advocacy group it definitely makes sense to use a perl board .. ikonboard looks really neat .. I am going to set it up on one of my hosts today! Anyone have objections to using Moveable Type or preferences for a different CMS? http://www.movabletype.org/ It supports having multiple content editors plus a lot more .. > The only thing it doesn't do, which I wish it did, is to act as an > archive for mailing lists. But I bet there's a hack out there to make it > do just that. Nice idea. We have the mailman list .. unfortunately the PM folks haven't installed a nice Mailman-compatible search engine like htDig .. of course mailman is python-based :P, so maybe once we work out the hosting of this and if everyone is satisfied with the performance/stability of the hosting we could host the mailing list on the site and try out Siesta :). > Anyway, just a suggestion from someone who's had experience with it. A good one at that in my opinion. Thanks! Max From perldork at webwizarddesign.com Thu Feb 26 06:56:52 2004 From: perldork at webwizarddesign.com (Max) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:18 2004 Subject: [Nova-pm] Website up for NOVA.pm anywhere? Message-ID: <200402262257.i1QMuwBv009687@cgi-works.com> I installed ikonboard today and I really like it. I vote for ikonboard! Thanks for the suggestion, Joel. Max From perldork at webwizarddesign.com Sun Feb 29 22:42:54 2004 From: perldork at webwizarddesign.com (Max Schubert) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:18 2004 Subject: [Nova-pm] Website design ideas? Message-ID: <200403010442.i214gsnF002211@silver.max.earthlink.net> Hi, Haven't heard back from anyone about the ideas posted to this list regarding software to use to run the site .. anyone have any input to add? I can look into the DNS issue, just thought the person who started this list (I apologize for not remembering your name) might have seen / received information on how to proceed on that front. Also, anyone have ideas for a site design? I can certainly and will provide one of my own .. I am not good at web design :P but I am willing to help get this all rolling by showing off how bad I am :) and motiving someone else to not allow us to be embarrassed by my 'art.' Also, I think it will be useful see if anyone on this list has contacts with well-known / high-profile developers / architects who use perl as it definitely draws in users to have some higher profile people giving presentations / talks at meetings (which is another topic we need to work out). Unfortunately, my closest contact with any perl luminaries was getting reprimanded by Tom Christensen back in 1995, when I was first learning perl, for creating some horribly twisted code to do something quite simple :P on the lang.perl.misc newsgroup ... not something to be proud of to say the least. The DC list has really nice contacts in that area .. are we going to be able to tap into anyone? I ask not to sound pessimistic but to just encourage us to think about that and to encourage us to share what we might each be able to add to this group ... Anyone have better leads on speakers than that? I am sure most of you do :P. Another thing to work on: where to meet and what kind of a topic mix are we going to start off aiming for? Again, just bringing up the things I can think of that might be important for us to think about with this group. I know that as developers we probably prefer more to design and code than discuss, but unfortunately if we are to form a group we have to deal with the bureaucratic s** as well .. once we shake this stuff out it will be in place and we won't have to think (hopefully) too much more about it. Regards, Max