From noddy at i7net.cx Wed Jun 8 05:05:13 2005 From: noddy at i7net.cx (Tim Marson) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 13:05:13 +0100 Subject: [Nottingham-pm] Hello Message-ID: <91D6F237-D815-11D9-B38B-000A95684906@i7net.cx> Hi, I've just subscribed to the Nottingham-pm list as you have probably gathered. My name is Tim and I work in Nottingham as a Perl Programmer/Developer which ever term you prefer to use. I suppose my first question is. Do you get together very often? Regards Tim From msemtd at yahoo.co.uk Wed Jun 8 08:15:07 2005 From: msemtd at yahoo.co.uk (Michael Erskine) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 16:15:07 +0100 Subject: [Nottingham-pm] Hello In-Reply-To: <91D6F237-D815-11D9-B38B-000A95684906@i7net.cx> References: <91D6F237-D815-11D9-B38B-000A95684906@i7net.cx> Message-ID: <200506081615.08102.msemtd@yahoo.co.uk> On Wednesday 08 June 2005 13:05, Tim Marson wrote: > Hi, > > I've just subscribed to the Nottingham-pm list as you have probably > gathered. > My name is Tim and I work in Nottingham as a Perl Programmer/Developer > which ever term you prefer to use. > > I suppose my first question is. > Do you get together very often? > > Regards > > Tim Hi Tim, We get together as a sub-sect :) of Nottingham GNU/Linux Users Group (see http://nottingham.lug.org.uk/ ). I generally attend most of the social evenings and talks which are currently held every other Wednesday. I try to post notification of these meetings to the Perl Mongers list but I think everyone's already on the NottLug list! We've had some good Perl talks (put on by Duncan) and I hope to run some Perl "musing" talks when I get my act together. BTW: where is it you work? And, perhaps more importantly, is it any good and do they have any jobs going? :) Regards, Michael Erskine. -- Randal said it would be tough to do in sed. He didn't say he didn't understand sed. Randal understands sed quite well. Which is why he uses Perl. :-) -- Larry Wall in <7874 at jpl-devvax.JPL.NASA.GOV> ___________________________________________________________ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com From noddy at i7net.cx Wed Jun 8 08:44:20 2005 From: noddy at i7net.cx (Tim Marson) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 16:44:20 +0100 Subject: [Nottingham-pm] Hello In-Reply-To: <200506081615.08102.msemtd@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: <2E3233F0-D834-11D9-B38B-000A95684906@i7net.cx> Hi Mike, I work for Empics off Castle Boulevard. As to whether it is any good or not depends on what you regard as good. It's okay in my view although the internal politics took some getting used to. Jobs... ummm. Well not at a decent rate is probably the best answer I can give. I don't really know Nottingham very well so I will be needing directions if I am to successfully make it to a meeting. Tim On Wednesday, June 8, 2005, at 04:15 PM, Michael Erskine wrote: > On Wednesday 08 June 2005 13:05, Tim Marson wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I've just subscribed to the Nottingham-pm list as you have probably >> gathered. >> My name is Tim and I work in Nottingham as a Perl Programmer/Developer >> which ever term you prefer to use. >> >> I suppose my first question is. >> Do you get together very often? >> >> Regards >> >> Tim > > Hi Tim, > > We get together as a sub-sect :) of Nottingham GNU/Linux Users Group > (see > http://nottingham.lug.org.uk/ ). I generally attend most of the social > evenings and talks which are currently held every other Wednesday. I > try to > post notification of these meetings to the Perl Mongers list but I > think > everyone's already on the NottLug list! We've had some good Perl talks > (put > on by Duncan) and I hope to run some Perl "musing" talks when I get my > act > together. > > BTW: where is it you work? And, perhaps more importantly, is it any > good and > do they have any jobs going? :) > > Regards, > Michael Erskine. > > -- > > Randal said it would be tough to do in sed. He didn't say he didn't > understand sed. Randal understands sed quite well. Which is why he > uses Perl. :-) -- Larry Wall in <7874 at jpl-devvax.JPL.NASA.GOV> > > > ___________________________________________________________ > How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday > snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Nottingham-pm mailing list > Nottingham-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/nottingham-pm > From perl at tecspy.com Wed Jun 8 12:24:09 2005 From: perl at tecspy.com (Michael) Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 20:24:09 +0100 Subject: [Nottingham-pm] Hello In-Reply-To: <2E3233F0-D834-11D9-B38B-000A95684906@i7net.cx> References: <2E3233F0-D834-11D9-B38B-000A95684906@i7net.cx> Message-ID: <42A745D9.2010202@tecspy.com> Tim Marson wrote: > Hi Mike, > > I work for Empics off Castle Boulevard. Hmm, an interesting organisation (http://www.empics.com/about_empics.shtml) - plenty of scope for Perl data crunching there! > As to whether it is any good or not depends on what you regard as good. > It's okay in my view although the internal politics took some getting > used to. Ah, office politics: don'tcha just love it :) > Jobs... ummm. Well not at a decent rate is probably the best answer I > can give. Same everywhere it seems! > I don't really know Nottingham very well so I will be needing > directions if I am to successfully make it to a meeting. > > Tim Have no fear: Multimap.com and streetmap.co.uk will get you pointed in the right direction. Our next meeting is on the 15th June, 7:30pm (as per http://www.nottingham.lug.org.uk/ ) -- we can help you find the place if you're not too sure. Regards, Michael Erskine. From jkg at jimbo.org.uk Wed Jun 8 18:25:28 2005 From: jkg at jimbo.org.uk (James Green) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 02:25:28 +0100 Subject: [Nottingham-pm] Hello In-Reply-To: <2E3233F0-D834-11D9-B38B-000A95684906@i7net.cx> References: <200506081615.08102.msemtd@yahoo.co.uk> <2E3233F0-D834-11D9-B38B-000A95684906@i7net.cx> Message-ID: <20050609012528.GF17938@jimbo.org.uk> On Wed, Jun 08, 2005 at 04:44:20PM +0100, Tim Marson wrote: > I don't really know Nottingham very well so I will be needing > directions if I am to successfully make it to a meeting. If you don't know Nottingham very well, http://nottingham.openguides.org/ might be of use, especially for finding pubs! ObPerl: Does anyone have any recommendations on where to start looking for guidance on modifying a perl web application to work under Apache's mod_perl? I've never used mod_perl before, and have no idea to what extent I should expect things to Just Work... Thanks! James -- PGP fingerprint 3E85 0C7A FE11 42E9 A599 094D AE16 90F0 81AE 16FF, ID 81AE16FF Wrinkles should merely indicate where smiles have been. -- Mark Twain -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Is this Apache 1.x + mod_perl Apache 2.x + mod_perl or Apache 2.x + mod_perl2 What modules does it use (ar they mod_perl safe) etc. If I were you I'd start with the documentation and tutorials to be found at http://perl.apache.org/ Have fun, Duncan -- Duncan John Fyfe From msemtd at yahoo.co.uk Thu Jun 9 00:43:00 2005 From: msemtd at yahoo.co.uk (Michael Erskine) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 08:43:00 +0100 Subject: [Nottingham-pm] Hello In-Reply-To: <20050609012528.GF17938@jimbo.org.uk> References: <200506081615.08102.msemtd@yahoo.co.uk> <2E3233F0-D834-11D9-B38B-000A95684906@i7net.cx> <20050609012528.GF17938@jimbo.org.uk> Message-ID: <200506090843.00753.msemtd@yahoo.co.uk> On Thursday 09 June 2005 02:25, James Green wrote: > ObPerl: Does anyone have any recommendations on where to start looking > for guidance on modifying a perl web application to work under Apache's > mod_perl? I've never used mod_perl before, and have no idea to what > extent I should expect things to Just Work... You _can_ expect things to just work... but they might not! I should do a talk on mod_perl -- first I need to learn it :) . Y'see, for me, it _does_ just work! I'm on a Debian system with apache-perl version 1.3.33-4 running tecspy.com. Regards, Michael Erskine -- Far duller than a serpent's tooth it is to spend a quiet youth. ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From msemtd at yahoo.co.uk Thu Jun 9 00:56:22 2005 From: msemtd at yahoo.co.uk (Michael Erskine) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 08:56:22 +0100 Subject: [Nottingham-pm] Hello In-Reply-To: <20050609012528.GF17938@jimbo.org.uk> References: <200506081615.08102.msemtd@yahoo.co.uk> <2E3233F0-D834-11D9-B38B-000A95684906@i7net.cx> <20050609012528.GF17938@jimbo.org.uk> Message-ID: <200506090856.22518.msemtd@yahoo.co.uk> On Thursday 09 June 2005 02:25, James Green wrote: > ObPerl: Does anyone have any recommendations on where to start looking > for guidance on modifying a perl web application to work under Apache's > mod_perl? I've never used mod_perl before, and have no idea to what > extent I should expect things to Just Work... Almost forgot: The O'Reilly book, "Practical mod_perl" has been released under a Creative Commons license -- http://modperlbook.org/ Regards, Michael Erskine -- Be incomprehensible. If they can't understand, they can't disagree. ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From noddy at i7net.cx Thu Jun 9 01:28:52 2005 From: noddy at i7net.cx (Tim Marson) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 09:28:52 +0100 Subject: [Nottingham-pm] Hello In-Reply-To: <200506090843.00753.msemtd@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: <82C15822-D8C0-11D9-9513-000A95684906@i7net.cx> I can probably help you there. Tim On Thursday, June 9, 2005, at 08:43 AM, Michael Erskine wrote: > On Thursday 09 June 2005 02:25, James Green wrote: >> ObPerl: Does anyone have any recommendations on where to start looking >> for guidance on modifying a perl web application to work under >> Apache's >> mod_perl? I've never used mod_perl before, and have no idea to what >> extent I should expect things to Just Work... > > You _can_ expect things to just work... but they might not! > > I should do a talk on mod_perl -- first I need to learn it :) . Y'see, > for me, > it _does_ just work! > > I'm on a Debian system with apache-perl version 1.3.33-4 running > tecspy.com. > > Regards, > Michael Erskine > > -- > Far duller than a serpent's tooth it is to spend a quiet youth. > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with > voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Nottingham-pm mailing list > Nottingham-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/nottingham-pm > From noddy at i7net.cx Thu Jun 9 01:30:23 2005 From: noddy at i7net.cx (Tim Marson) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 09:30:23 +0100 Subject: [Nottingham-pm] Hello In-Reply-To: <20050609012528.GF17938@jimbo.org.uk> Message-ID: Oppsss sorry, replied to wrong message there. Would help if I replied to the original wouldn't it :) I can probably help you with migrating a web application to mod_perl. Tim On Thursday, June 9, 2005, at 02:25 AM, James Green wrote: > On Wed, Jun 08, 2005 at 04:44:20PM +0100, Tim Marson wrote: > >> I don't really know Nottingham very well so I will be needing >> directions if I am to successfully make it to a meeting. > > If you don't know Nottingham very well, > http://nottingham.openguides.org/ might be of use, especially for > finding pubs! > > > ObPerl: Does anyone have any recommendations on where to start looking > for guidance on modifying a perl web application to work under Apache's > mod_perl? I've never used mod_perl before, and have no idea to what > extent I should expect things to Just Work... > > Thanks! > > James > -- > PGP fingerprint 3E85 0C7A FE11 42E9 A599 094D AE16 90F0 81AE 16FF, ID > 81AE16FF > Wrinkles should merely indicate where smiles have been. > -- Mark Twain > _______________________________________________ > Nottingham-pm mailing list > Nottingham-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/nottingham-pm From jkg at jimbo.org.uk Thu Jun 9 18:51:12 2005 From: jkg at jimbo.org.uk (James Green) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 02:51:12 +0100 Subject: [Nottingham-pm] Hello In-Reply-To: <1118301549.21359.3.camel@saturn3.star.le.ac.uk> References: <200506081615.08102.msemtd@yahoo.co.uk> <2E3233F0-D834-11D9-B38B-000A95684906@i7net.cx> <20050609012528.GF17938@jimbo.org.uk> <1118301549.21359.3.camel@saturn3.star.le.ac.uk> Message-ID: <20050610015112.GG17938@jimbo.org.uk> On Thu, Jun 09, 2005 at 08:19:09AM +0100, Duncan John Fyfe wrote: > If I were you I'd start with the documentation and tutorials to be found > at http://perl.apache.org/ Yes, that's where I'd started, although I couldn't find much that looked like a guide to "porting" an application, rather than developing a new one. Still, I suppose it all helps! Thanks. James jkg((-.+)?@(|the\.)earth.li|@(jimbo|wonky)\.org\.uk|03u at cs\.nott\.ac\.uk) Don't go around saying the world owes you a living. The world owes you nothing. It was here first. -- Mark Twain -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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