From lbyrd at memach.com  Mon Apr  2 09:11:40 2001
From: lbyrd at memach.com (Lyman Byrd)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:16 2004
Subject: [HRPM] Parrot ??
Message-ID: <XFMail.20010402101140.lbyrd@memach.com>

Okay I'll bite... is Parrot an April Fools joke??????????????
Lyman

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From jeff at alanne.com  Mon Apr  2 09:21:02 2001
From: jeff at alanne.com (Jeff Duffy)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:16 2004
Subject: [HRPM] Parrot ??
In-Reply-To: <XFMail.20010402101140.lbyrd@memach.com>
References: <XFMail.20010402101140.lbyrd@memach.com>
Message-ID: <200104021424.f32EOJ909779@gocho.pm.org>


On Mon, 02 Apr 2001 10:11:40 -0400 (EDT), Lyman Byrd alluded:

> Okay I'll bite... is Parrot an April Fools joke??????????????

 I would venture to say yes; I doubt even if such a nasty
amalgamation existed that anyone from either camp would use it. Too
much of that senseless language mongering going on (Perl rules!).

Jeff

-- 
 Jeff Duffy
 jeff@alanne.com


From lbyrd at memach.com  Mon Apr  2 09:26:25 2001
From: lbyrd at memach.com (Lyman Byrd)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:16 2004
Subject: [HRPM] Parrot ??
In-Reply-To: <200104021424.f32EOJ909779@gocho.pm.org>
Message-ID: <XFMail.20010402102625.lbyrd@memach.com>

I sure had my doubts but the post is still on the o'reilly site this
morning. I never knew o'reilly had that much humor in them... 
Great company though..
Thanks

Lyman

On 02-Apr-2001 Jeff Duffy wrote:
> 
> 
>  I would venture to say yes; I doubt even if such a nasty
> amalgamation existed that anyone from either camp would use it. Too
> much of that senseless language mongering going on (Perl rules!).
> 
> Jeff

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From chicks at chicks.net  Tue Apr  3 01:25:14 2001
From: chicks at chicks.net (chicks@chicks.net)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:16 2004
Subject: [HRPM] Parrot ??
In-Reply-To: <XFMail.20010402102625.lbyrd@memach.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10104030223560.8430-100000@yakko>

On Mon, 2 Apr 2001, Lyman Byrd wrote:
> I sure had my doubts but the post is still on the o'reilly site this
> morning.

I sympathize.  Matt Sergeant's post is the one that had me going for a few
hours.  I'll forward it to the list in a sec.

-- 
</chris>

Any chance of those paper cups and string being upgraded to tin cans
and wire?  Or as a coworker has said . . . I've seen better throughput
from a pair of gorillas and flash cards.   -Jon Lewis <jlewis@fdt.net>



From jeff at alanne.com  Mon Apr  9 16:48:51 2001
From: jeff at alanne.com (Jeff Duffy)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:16 2004
Subject: [HRPM] Perl 5.6.1 released
Message-ID: <200104092248.f39MmYi26163@gocho.pm.org>


Some of my favorite additions (from the Changelog):

Nifty stuff:

-  exists() works on subroutine names

 Think about the magic yu can do using this in conjunction with
AUTOLOAD in modules. I'm already thinking about how this can put us
one step closer to true reflection in Perl.


 - exists() and delete() are supported on array elements

 Now you don't have to write code to determine whether you are
looking at a hash or an array in order to test for an element/key.


 - File and directory handles can be autovivified (and close when
they go out of scope)

 I actually wasted half a day on a logging API because I thought this
already worked in Perl 5.6.0.  Oh well.


 - There is now a syntax for explicitly declaring methods as
requiring a lock() call:

sub mymethod : locked method ;

 This is really cool for n-depth nested method calls (like, if you
have a complex structure, say of hashes of hashes, and you assign one
of the innermost vey/pair values to reference the root node, and the
other values are sub refs (method refs, actually), and they shouldn't
be reentrant, then you can use this. Not that I ever have tried that,
of course).



Should have happened long ago:

 - system() and exec() now do the right thing and set $! on failure

 This alone will do away with 50 newbie questions a week.


- They finally did away with that fscking "In string, @example now
must be written as \@example" error!

 Yes, Perl now does what you mean when you type this@array.that,
meaning it interpolates @array into a string representation of the
array, like it should have a year ago. 


 And lots of other cool, cool stuff. It's at
http://public.ActiveState.com/gsar/perl-5.6.1.tar.gz , and the
Changelog is at
http://archive.develooper.com/perl5-porters@perl.org/msg24783.html.

Jeff

-- 
 Jeff Duffy
 jeff@alanne.com


From jeff at alanne.com  Mon Apr  9 21:03:29 2001
From: jeff at alanne.com (Jeff Duffy)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:16 2004
Subject: [HRPM] Too funny
Message-ID: <200104100205.f3A25di26768@gocho.pm.org>

Seen on a Slashdot post:

P.S. Line from fave braindead contracted Perl program I have seen
this year: 
			system("sed -f $sedfile < $infile >
$outfile"); 

 Looks like some of the code I've been maintaining.

Jeff

-- 
 Jeff Duffy
 jeff@alanne.com


From Branson.Matheson at FergInc.com  Tue Apr 10 08:00:20 2001
From: Branson.Matheson at FergInc.com (Branson Matheson)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:16 2004
Subject: [HRPM] Too funny
In-Reply-To: <200104100205.f3A25di26768@gocho.pm.org>; from jeff@alanne.com on Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 10:03:29PM -0400
References: <200104100205.f3A25di26768@gocho.pm.org>
Message-ID: <20010410090019.B63689@thorin.ferguson.com>

 Looks like something I might have written many many years ago ;-) I
 did write a library to create expect code and then run it.

On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 10:03:29PM -0400,Jeff Duffy did mutter:
> Seen on a Slashdot post:
> 
> P.S. Line from fave braindead contracted Perl program I have seen
> this year: 
> 			system("sed -f $sedfile < $infile >
> $outfile"); 
> 
>  Looks like some of the code I've been maintaining.
> 
> Jeff
> 
> -- 
>  Jeff Duffy
>  jeff@alanne.com
> 

  - branson

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Branson Matheson                       "If you are falling off of a mountain,
Manager, Risk and Information Security   You may as well try to fly." 
Ferguson Enterprises, Inc.               - Delenn, Minbari Ambassador 
           ( $statements = <BRANSON> ) !~ /Corporate Opinion/;

From steven3554 at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 17 12:26:18 2001
From: steven3554 at yahoo.com (Stephen Rawls)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:16 2004
Subject: [HRPM] meetings?
Message-ID: <20010417172618.5794.qmail@web6305.mail.yahoo.com>

 Hello, I'm new to the list, and just saw on the web
site about meetings at Jefferson Lab.  I was wondering
about them: do they cost anything? what do you do
there? how long do they last? would you recomend them?
etc.
  Any help would be appreciated:
Thanks in advance,
Stephen

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From Branson.Matheson at FergInc.com  Tue Apr 17 13:04:16 2001
From: Branson.Matheson at FergInc.com (Branson Matheson)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:16 2004
Subject: [HRPM] meetings?
In-Reply-To: <20010417172618.5794.qmail@web6305.mail.yahoo.com>; from steven3554@yahoo.com on Tue, Apr 17, 2001 at 10:26:18AM -0700
References: <20010417172618.5794.qmail@web6305.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20010417140415.N80010@thorin.ferguson.com>

On Tue, Apr 17, 2001 at 10:26:18AM -0700,Stephen Rawls spoke forth:
>  Hello, I'm new to the list, and just saw on the web
> site about meetings at Jefferson Lab.  I was wondering
> about them: do they cost anything? 

 Gas to drive there ;-)

> what do you do there? 

 Dress in long black robes with hoods and chant nonsense. 
  
  ( We talk about perl )

> how long do they last? 

 bout 2 hours give or take.

> would you recomend them?

 Yes!

 Note .. this weeks meeting is at Ferguson Enterprises, I will post
 directions to the list soon! The topic is the Net::LDAP module..
 Thinkin of givin a broad overview of LDAP to start.

  - branson

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Branson Matheson                       "If you are falling off of a mountain,
Manager, Risk and Information Security   You may as well try to fly." 
Ferguson Enterprises, Inc.               - Delenn, Minbari Ambassador 
           ( $statements = <BRANSON> ) !~ /Corporate Opinion/;

From jeff at alanne.com  Wed Apr 18 01:47:10 2001
From: jeff at alanne.com (Jeff Duffy)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:16 2004
Subject: [HRPM] meetings?
In-Reply-To: <20010417140415.N80010@thorin.ferguson.com>
References: <20010417172618.5794.qmail@web6305.mail.yahoo.com>
    <20010417140415.N80010@thorin.ferguson.com>
Message-ID: <200104180647.f3I6lcC21805@gocho.pm.org>


On Tue, 17 Apr 2001 14:04:16 -0400, Branson Matheson alluded:

> On Tue, Apr 17, 2001 at 10:26:18AM -0700,Stephen Rawls spoke forth:

>  > what do you do there? 
>  
>   Dress in long black robes with hoods and chant nonsense. 

 From the Book Of The Dromedary:

perl -le 's[$,][join$,,(split$,,($!=85))[(q[0006143730380126152532042307].
	  q[41342211132019313505])=~m[..]g]]e and y[yIbp][HJkP] and print'

 Ommmm...



>    ( We talk about perl )
      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 Yes, in a list context. 

OMG, I just couldn't help that one. Okay, who got it? Raise your hands.

<...>


>  Branson Matheson                       "If you are falling off of a mountain,
>  Manager, Risk and Information Security   You may as well try to fly." 
>  Ferguson Enterprises, Inc.               - Delenn, Minbari Ambassador 
>             ( $statements = <BRANSON> ) !~ /Corporate Opinion/;
	       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 This only affects your first statement, Branson. Explain.

Jeff


From Branson.Matheson at FergInc.com  Wed Apr 18 07:18:28 2001
From: Branson.Matheson at FergInc.com (Branson Matheson)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:16 2004
Subject: [HRPM] meetings?
In-Reply-To: <200104180647.f3I6lcC21805@gocho.pm.org>; from jeff@alanne.com on Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 02:47:10AM -0400
References: <20010417172618.5794.qmail@web6305.mail.yahoo.com> <20010417140415.N80010@thorin.ferguson.com> <200104180647.f3I6lcC21805@gocho.pm.org>
Message-ID: <20010418081828.A16646@thorin.ferguson.com>

> perl -le 's[$,][join$,,(split$,,($!=85))[(q[0006143730380126152532042307].
> 	  q[41342211132019313505])=~m[..]g]]e and y[yIbp][HJkP] and print'
> 
>  Ommmm...

 OiePlaoact?

> >    ( We talk about perl )
>       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
>  Yes, in a list context. 
> 
> OMG, I just couldn't help that one. Okay, who got it? Raise your hands.

 *ugh* I did.. and that is sick.

>  This only affects your first statement, Branson. Explain.

 true. note the change below.
 
> 
> Jeff
> 

  - branson

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Manager, Risk and Information Security   You may as well try to fly." 
Ferguson Enterprises, Inc.               - Delenn, Minbari Ambassador 
       $/ = "" ;( $statements = <BRANSON> ) !~ /Corporate Opinion/;

From cusce at jlab.org  Tue Apr 24 16:15:20 2001
From: cusce at jlab.org (Collin Cusce)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:16 2004
Subject: [HRPM] Hey, we meet tommorow, right?
Message-ID: <005301c0cd03$ab4389e0$e4213981@jlab.org>

Branson, man. You need to get on the ball and give some intructions for entering the building and directions for those who do not know how to get there. 8-P
    Salve,
        Collin "Bitch of the System" Cusce'
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From Branson.Matheson at FergInc.com  Wed Apr 25 07:18:13 2001
From: Branson.Matheson at FergInc.com (Branson Matheson)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:16 2004
Subject: [HRPM] Hey, we meet tommorow, right?
In-Reply-To: <005301c0cd03$ab4389e0$e4213981@jlab.org>; from cusce@jlab.org on Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 05:15:20PM -0400
References: <005301c0cd03$ab4389e0$e4213981@jlab.org>
Message-ID: <20010425081811.B17587@thorin.ferguson.com>

 Geez... drop the ball for a second and they natives get restless. ;-)

 how to get there:

 take 64 to the jefferson ave exit. 255B 

 go thru two lights. Just before you reach the third .. you will see
 our building on the right. Drive around back and park next to the Circle.

 Goto the double doors with columns on either side.. it is the one
 story part. Right in there is the training center. You can wait there
 for us.. we will be using the ampitheatre. 

 Don't forget dinner tonight.. any suggestions? We can do Azteca.. but
 there are plenty of other places. Here is the list:

  - Don Pablos
	- Ruby Tuesdays
	- Applebees
	- Cheddars 
	- Samauri Steak House ( habachi japanese )
	- Sushi 
	- Plaza Azteca
	- Chick Fil-a
	- Fridays
	- Starbucks
	- Second Street
	- Fuddruckers

	- Outback is still closed due to fire

 Most all of these places are within two miles. Someone else decide.
 Also I will have a presentation and lots o notes for tonight.


On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 05:15:20PM -0400,Collin Cusce spoke forth:
> Branson, man. You need to get on the ball and give some intructions for entering the building and directions for those who do not know how to get there. 8-P
>     Salve,
>         Collin "Bitch of the System" Cusce'


  - branson

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Branson Matheson                       "If you are falling off of a mountain,
Manager, Risk and Information Security   You may as well try to fly." 
Ferguson Enterprises, Inc.               - Delenn, Minbari Ambassador 
       $/ = "" ;( $statements = <BRANSON> ) !~ /Corporate Opinion/;

From Branson.Matheson at FergInc.com  Wed Apr 25 10:15:05 2001
From: Branson.Matheson at FergInc.com (Branson Matheson)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:16 2004
Subject: [Branson.Matheson@FergInc.com: Re: [HRPM] Hey, we meet tommorow, right?]
Message-ID: <20010425111505.F17587@thorin.ferguson.com>

 Ok .. so where are we eating .. and how many are coming? I got docs
 to print.


  - branson

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Manager, Risk and Information Security   You may as well try to fly." 
Ferguson Enterprises, Inc.               - Delenn, Minbari Ambassador 
       $/ = "" ;( $statements = <BRANSON> ) !~ /Corporate Opinion/;
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From lbyrd at memach.com  Wed Apr 25 10:35:55 2001
From: lbyrd at memach.com (Lyman Byrd)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:16 2004
Subject: [Branson.Matheson@FergInc.com: Re: [HRPM] Hey, we meet tommo
In-Reply-To: <20010425111505.F17587@thorin.ferguson.com>
Message-ID: <XFMail.20010425113555.lbyrd@memach.com>

I will not be able to make it tonite but could someone save the notes
for me please? Thanks
Lyman

On 25-Apr-2001 Branson Matheson wrote:
>  Ok .. so where are we eating .. and how many are coming? I got docs
>  to print.
> 
> 
>   - branson
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> ---------
> Branson Matheson                       "If you are falling off of a
> mountain,
> Manager, Risk and Information Security   You may as well try to fly."
> Ferguson Enterprises, Inc.               - Delenn, Minbari Ambassador
>        $/ = "" ;( $statements = <BRANSON> ) !~ /Corporate Opinion/;

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From chicks at chicks.net  Wed Apr 25 10:39:53 2001
From: chicks at chicks.net (chicks@chicks.net)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:16 2004
Subject: [Branson.Matheson@FergInc.com: Re: [HRPM] Hey, we meet tommorow,
 right?]
In-Reply-To: <20010425111505.F17587@thorin.ferguson.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10104251139100.19523-100000@yakko>

On Wed, 25 Apr 2001, Branson Matheson wrote:
>  Ok .. so where are we eating .. and how many are coming? I got docs
>  to print.

I vote for Plaza Azteca.

-- 
</chris>

Any chance of those paper cups and string being upgraded to tin cans
and wire?  Or as a coworker has said . . . I've seen better throughput
from a pair of gorillas and flash cards.   -Jon Lewis <jlewis@fdt.net>


From cusce at jlab.org  Wed Apr 25 11:53:35 2001
From: cusce at jlab.org (Collin Cusce)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:16 2004
Subject: [Branson.Matheson@FergInc.com: Re: [HRPM] Hey, we meet tommorow,right?]
References: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10104251139100.19523-100000@yakko>
Message-ID: <001701c0cda8$4495ed50$e4213981@jlab.org>

I don't know whether or not I'm going to dinner, so whatever you guys go
with is kewl with me.
    Salvete,
         Collin "Bitch of the System" Cusce'


From Branson.Matheson at FergInc.com  Wed Apr 25 11:54:54 2001
From: Branson.Matheson at FergInc.com (Branson Matheson)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:16 2004
Subject: [Branson.Matheson@FergInc.com: Re: [HRPM] Hey, we meet tommorow, right?]
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10104251139100.19523-100000@yakko>; from chicks@chicks.net on Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 11:39:53AM -0400
References: <20010425111505.F17587@thorin.ferguson.com> <Pine.LNX.4.10.10104251139100.19523-100000@yakko>
Message-ID: <20010425125454.G17587@thorin.ferguson.com>

 I think everyone I have talked to has said that.. so lets Bless that.
 Plaza .. at 6:15 - 6:30. 

 See yall there!

On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 11:39:53AM -0400,Christopher Hicks spoke forth:
> On Wed, 25 Apr 2001, Branson Matheson wrote:
> >  Ok .. so where are we eating .. and how many are coming? I got docs
> >  to print.
> 
> I vote for Plaza Azteca.
> 
> -- 
> </chris>
> 
> Any chance of those paper cups and string being upgraded to tin cans
> and wire?  Or as a coworker has said . . . I've seen better throughput
> from a pair of gorillas and flash cards.   -Jon Lewis <jlewis@fdt.net>
> 

  - branson

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Branson Matheson                       "If you are falling off of a mountain,
Manager, Risk and Information Security   You may as well try to fly." 
Ferguson Enterprises, Inc.               - Delenn, Minbari Ambassador 
       $/ = "" ;( $statements = <BRANSON> ) !~ /Corporate Opinion/;

From cusce at home.com  Fri Apr 27 22:06:57 2001
From: cusce at home.com (Collin Cusce')
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:16 2004
Subject: [HRPM] Da Meeting...
Message-ID: <003701c0cf90$49fbc190$40941718@cx782347a>

    ...was great considering no one but myself and the Ferguson Folks
(alliteration rewls) showed up! WTF is up with that!?!
     Branson, great job on the LDAP talk! Very informative. Now, on the off
chance that I ever need to manipulate an LDAP, I could do it in style
w/Perl.
    Okie doke, on that note, I have a question: what in the world is Concept
Programming? Is it basically a syntax that has essentially NO predefined
primitives but instead user-constructed datatypes and flow-mangers? What is
all this about defining the relationship between "entities"? And What In The
Hell IS An "Entity"? What In The Hell Is A "Tone". Does this mean that I
have to take a CP class, now? Is the world going to end!?! Bah, just when
things started to settle down, they had to reevaluate the programming
perspective and fsck things up again.

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