From chicks at chicks.net  Wed Mar 15 22:17:54 2000
From: chicks at chicks.net (chicks@chicks.net)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:02 2004
Subject: [HRPM] Re: [twuug] Learning Perl
In-Reply-To: <s8cf625e.050@10.90.2.1>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10003152315190.29448-100000@yakko>

On Wed, 15 Mar 2000, Jeff Self wrote:
> Whats a good book for learning Perl?  I've got "Learning Perl" and
> frankly, I think it sucks.  It seems to be an overview of the language
> without really going into detail on anything.

You may wish to try /Learning Perl/.  It has a narrative explanation of
everything, but at a much denser rate.  And it certainly goes into more
depth.  :-)

> Also, when's the Perl Users Group meeting again?

27 March at Semcor in Chesapeake.  Directions are on the web site.

> Do they have a webpage?

http://norfolk.pm.org

-- 
</chris>

Q: Why did Bill Gates cross the road?
A: To avoid the Department of Justice.


From chicks at chicks.net  Wed Mar 15 22:20:42 2000
From: chicks at chicks.net (chicks@chicks.net)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:02 2004
Subject: [HRPM] perl-mongers date correction
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10003152315190.29448-100000@yakko>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10003152319240.29448-100000@yakko>

On Wed, 15 Mar 2000 chicks@chicks.net wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Mar 2000, Jeff Self wrote:
> > Also, when's the Perl Users Group meeting again?
> 27 March at Semcor in Chesapeake.

That should be 23 March!  Sorry.

-- 
</chris>

Q: Why did Bill Gates cross the road?
A: To avoid the Department of Justice.


From jduffy at semcor.com  Wed Mar 15 22:38:49 2000
From: jduffy at semcor.com (Jeff Duffy)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:02 2004
Subject: [HRPM] Hellooooo...
Message-ID: <38D06559.37A12120@semcor.com>

Hey all,

 Having just returned from an extended trip to the dark, evil place that
sucks out your very soul (also known as D.C.), I will freely admit here
and now that I've done basically nothing yet to drum up people for the
next meeting. I can and will begin to try now, but just expect the
attendance increase to be pathetic and you won't be disappointed. Hey, I
gotta feed the family, right?

 On the subject of our next meeting, I believe we are still doing the
Perl-Module-HOWTO. Any luck so far, Chris?

Jeff
-- 
Jeffrey A. Duffy
Principal Engineer
ACS Services Havelock, NC
jduffy@semcor.com

From chicks at chicks.net  Wed Mar 15 22:55:40 2000
From: chicks at chicks.net (chicks@chicks.net)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:02 2004
Subject: [HRPM] Hellooooo...
In-Reply-To: <38D06559.37A12120@semcor.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10003152354130.29448-100000@yakko>

On Wed, 15 Mar 2000, Jeff Duffy wrote:
>  On the subject of our next meeting, I believe we are still doing the
> Perl-Module-HOWTO. Any luck so far, Chris?

I've got an outline.  I'll make slides out of it this weekend.

Can someone please update the web site with the current info???

-- 
</chris>

Q: Why did Bill Gates cross the road?
A: To avoid the Department of Justice.


From mark at mrmark.com  Wed Mar 15 23:01:28 2000
From: mark at mrmark.com (Mark D Wolinski)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:02 2004
Subject: [HRPM] perl-mongers date correction
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10003152319240.29448-100000@yakko>
Message-ID: <NDBBLACBMLDCPNHEDLAOKEMPCEAA.mark@mrmark.com>

The meeting is actually March 30...the last Thursday of every month.

Mark W

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-norfolk-pm-list@pm.org
[mailto:owner-norfolk-pm-list@pm.org]On Behalf Of chicks@chicks.net
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 11:21 PM
To: twuug@memach.com
Cc: HRPM
Subject: [HRPM] perl-mongers date correction


On Wed, 15 Mar 2000 chicks@chicks.net wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Mar 2000, Jeff Self wrote:
> > Also, when's the Perl Users Group meeting again?
> 27 March at Semcor in Chesapeake.

That should be 23 March!  Sorry.

-- 
</chris>

Q: Why did Bill Gates cross the road?
A: To avoid the Department of Justice.


From mark at mrmark.com  Wed Mar 15 23:03:35 2000
From: mark at mrmark.com (Mark D Wolinski)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:02 2004
Subject: [HRPM] Hellooooo...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10003152354130.29448-100000@yakko>
Message-ID: <NDBBLACBMLDCPNHEDLAOOEMPCEAA.mark@mrmark.com>

Hmmm.

Probably.  The meeting, btw is March 30th.

Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-norfolk-pm-list@pm.org
[mailto:owner-norfolk-pm-list@pm.org]On Behalf Of chicks@chicks.net
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 11:56 PM
To: HRPM
Subject: Re: [HRPM] Hellooooo...


On Wed, 15 Mar 2000, Jeff Duffy wrote:
>  On the subject of our next meeting, I believe we are still doing the
> Perl-Module-HOWTO. Any luck so far, Chris?

I've got an outline.  I'll make slides out of it this weekend.

Can someone please update the web site with the current info???

-- 
</chris>

Q: Why did Bill Gates cross the road?
A: To avoid the Department of Justice.


From chicks at chicks.net  Wed Mar 15 23:05:34 2000
From: chicks at chicks.net (chicks@chicks.net)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:02 2004
Subject: [twuug] RE: [HRPM] perl-mongers date correction
In-Reply-To: <NDBBLACBMLDCPNHEDLAOKEMPCEAA.mark@mrmark.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10003160004350.29448-100000@yakko>

On Thu, 16 Mar 2000, Mark D Wolinski wrote:
> The meeting is actually March 30...the last Thursday of every month.

I should have known better than to let a programmer predict dates.  :-)

-- 
</chris>

Q: Why did Bill Gates cross the road?
A: To avoid the Department of Justice.


From mark at mrmark.com  Wed Mar 15 23:23:26 2000
From: mark at mrmark.com (Mark D Wolinski)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:02 2004
Subject: [HRPM] Web Site
In-Reply-To: <NDBBLACBMLDCPNHEDLAOOEMPCEAA.mark@mrmark.com>
Message-ID: <NDBBLACBMLDCPNHEDLAOIENACEAA.mark@mrmark.com>

Website has been updated:

http://norfolk.pm.org/

Mark W


From bader at cs.odu.edu  Thu Mar 16 00:06:01 2000
From: bader at cs.odu.edu (Terry)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:02 2004
Subject: [HRPM] Re: [twuug] Learning Perl
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10003152315190.29448-100000@yakko>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.05.10003160051150.16004-100000@xenon.cs.odu.edu>


Hello All, first time I've posted here so be kind and gentle.  I hope to
make this meeting on the 30th, but might have to miss it due to prior
engagements.

Anyway, on the subject of books and reference materials. I have the full
O'reilly reference library online at http://www.cs.odu.edu/~bader/books/
furthermore the TAR file can be found at
http://www.cs.odu.edu/~bader/books.tar if you want to unpack it on your
local machine or network.

However, O'reilly is not my first choice in learning Perl.  In my opinion
there are two bibles needed 1) Perl: Interactive Course, aka the purple
book and 2) Perl: The Complete Reference. This does not include perl.com,
perljournal.com and a multitude of other sites dedicated to perl.

Well, thats my 2 cents, if anyone knows of a business or group that is
hiring in the local area, please let me know.  Now seeking employment. And
a good party! (hehe)


Terry Bader         
Old Dominion University, Computer Science Dept
bader@cs.odu.edu	icq: 5202487
work:(757)683-5871	pager:(757)326-2003A


From bader at cs.odu.edu  Thu Mar 16 09:58:03 2000
From: bader at cs.odu.edu (Terry)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:02 2004
Subject: [HRPM] Re: [twuug] Learning Perl
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.4.05.10003160051150.16004-100000@xenon.cs.odu.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.05.10003161056080.26816-100000@xenon.cs.odu.edu>



Sorry, the TAR file is here: http://www.cs.odu.edu/~bader/books/books.tar
I will create a link from the other location I gave as well.

On Thu, 16 Mar 2000, Terry wrote:

> 
> Hello All, first time I've posted here so be kind and gentle.  I hope to
> make this meeting on the 30th, but might have to miss it due to prior
> engagements.
> 
> Anyway, on the subject of books and reference materials. I have the full
> O'reilly reference library online at http://www.cs.odu.edu/~bader/books/
> furthermore the TAR file can be found at
> http://www.cs.odu.edu/~bader/books.tar if you want to unpack it on your
> local machine or network.
> 
> However, O'reilly is not my first choice in learning Perl.  In my opinion
> there are two bibles needed 1) Perl: Interactive Course, aka the purple
> book and 2) Perl: The Complete Reference. This does not include perl.com,
> perljournal.com and a multitude of other sites dedicated to perl.
> 
> Well, thats my 2 cents, if anyone knows of a business or group that is
> hiring in the local area, please let me know.  Now seeking employment. And
> a good party! (hehe)
> 
> 
> Terry Bader         
> Old Dominion University, Computer Science Dept
> bader@cs.odu.edu	icq: 5202487
> work:(757)683-5871	pager:(757)326-2003A
> 
> 

Terry Bader         
Old Dominion University, Computer Science Dept
bader@cs.odu.edu	icq: 5202487
work:(757)683-5871	pager:(757)326-2003A


From jduffy at semcor.com  Sun Mar 19 15:08:33 2000
From: jduffy at semcor.com (Jeff Duffy)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:02 2004
Subject: [HRPM] HRPM meeting
Message-ID: <38D541D1.17BDA395@semcor.com>

Greetings! 

 The next meeting of the Hampton Roads Perl Mongers (HRPM) is Thursday,
March 30 at 814 Greenbrier Circle in Chesapeake.

 The topic for presentation at the next meeting is "How to Build Your
Very Own Perl Module"; an introduction to using Perl's modular structure
to create reusable chunks of code for your applications. You can find
more information, directions, and sign up for our mailing list at
http://norfolk.pm.org.

 We will be supplying refreshments at the next meeting, so it would be
really helpful if everyone intending to attend could send an email to
our list (or to me) to that effect so we bring enough food and drink for
everyone.

 Looking forward to seeing everyone there!

Jeff


#Thanks to:
#
#The Hampton Roads Linux User's Group (HRLUG) http://hrlug.runlinux.com/
#
#and
#
#The Tidewater Unix User's Group (TWUUG) http://www.twuug.org/
#
#for allowing us to announce on their mailing lists.
-- 
Jeffrey A. Duffy
Principal Engineer
ACS Services Havelock, NC
jduffy@semcor.com

From mark at mrmark.com  Mon Mar 27 14:37:31 2000
From: mark at mrmark.com (Mark D Wolinski)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:02 2004
Subject: [HRPM] HRPM meeting
In-Reply-To: <38D541D1.17BDA395@semcor.com>
Message-ID: <NDBBLACBMLDCPNHEDLAOKEMMCFAA.mark@mrmark.com>

Well, despite the lousy week this is shaping up to be, I'll be at the next
meeting.  If you're taking orders, I'll take a T-bone steak, cooked medium
with a side of salad (ranch dressing) and a jacket potato with everything.

Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-norfolk-pm-list@pm.org
[mailto:owner-norfolk-pm-list@pm.org]On Behalf Of Jeff Duffy
Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2000 4:09 PM
To: HRPM; HRLUG; TWUUG
Subject: [HRPM] HRPM meeting


Greetings!

 The next meeting of the Hampton Roads Perl Mongers (HRPM) is Thursday,
March 30 at 814 Greenbrier Circle in Chesapeake.

 The topic for presentation at the next meeting is "How to Build Your
Very Own Perl Module"; an introduction to using Perl's modular structure
to create reusable chunks of code for your applications. You can find
more information, directions, and sign up for our mailing list at
http://norfolk.pm.org.

 We will be supplying refreshments at the next meeting, so it would be
really helpful if everyone intending to attend could send an email to
our list (or to me) to that effect so we bring enough food and drink for
everyone.

 Looking forward to seeing everyone there!

Jeff


From chicks at chicks.net  Mon Mar 27 14:40:12 2000
From: chicks at chicks.net (chicks@chicks.net)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:02 2004
Subject: [HRPM] HRPM meeting
In-Reply-To: <NDBBLACBMLDCPNHEDLAOKEMMCFAA.mark@mrmark.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10003271539050.22077-100000@yakko>

On Mon, 27 Mar 2000, Mark D Wolinski wrote:
> Well, despite the lousy week this is shaping up to be, I'll be at the
> next meeting.  If you're taking orders, I'll take a T-bone steak,
> cooked medium with a side of salad (ranch dressing) and a jacket
> potato with everything.

I need drink requests!  No one has emailed me a single beverage request!

-- 
</chris>

Q: Why did Bill Gates cross the road?
A: To avoid the Department of Justice.


From hamptonroadspm at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 28 09:55:45 2000
From: hamptonroadspm at yahoo.com (HRPM)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:02 2004
Subject: [HRPM] FW: YAPC 19100: Call for Participation (2)
Message-ID: <NDBBLACBMLDCPNHEDLAOAEOHCFAA.hamptonroadspm@yahoo.com>

Forwarding this along...

Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-groups@lists.pm.org [mailto:owner-groups@lists.pm.org]On
Behalf Of Kevin Lenzo
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2000 2:33 PM
To: groups@lists.panix.com; perl-mongers-announce@pm.org
Cc: pgh-pm@cs.cmu.edu
Subject: YAPC 19100: Call for Participation (2)


***************** CALL FOR PARTICIPATION ******************

                      North American
               Yet Another Perl Conference  
                        YAPC 19100 

              http://www.yapc.org/America/

            Wednesday-Friday, June 21-23, 2000
                            at
                Carnegie Mellon University
                 Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania


     ** Abstract submission deadline:  April  3, 2000 **

Yet Another Perl Conference (YAPC) is an inexpensive ($75) perl 
users and developers conference, with a mix of tutorials and 
technical talks.  The conference is set in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, 
and so is relatively accessible from both the East and the Midwest.

YAPC began as a grassroots users conference, from discussions 
among Perl Mongers, and has grown from there.  We would like
to invite you to join us for two days of Perl, people, and 
demonstrations, at a price that shouldn't hurt your wallet.  
There will be a limit of just under 500 people for the conference.

A number of members of the Perl community are contributing to this
event, including:

   Larry Wall, Abigail, Damian Conway, Mark-Jason Dominus, 
   Joseph Hall, purl, Randal Schwartz, ...

    ... and YOU!  See the CALL FOR PAPERS below!

Look to the main web page for more details --
                               http://www.yapc.org/America

** Dorm rooms **

A limited number of inexpensive dorm rooms are available at 
Carnegie Mellon, that will be given preferentially to students, 
but more generally on a first-come basis.  This is to further
reduce the cost for those with limited resources, especially 
students, who we are trying to encourage the most.  More 
information will become available when registration begins.

** Location **

YAPC is at Carnegie Mellon University in Pittsburgh, 
Pennsylvania once again this year, in the University 
Center.  We have the Rangos rooms, 1,2 and 3 once again,
as well as McConomy Auditorium,the Conan Room, and some
small rooms set aside.  This year there will be an email
garden.

** Registration **

Registration will open shortly after the abstract submission
deadline.  Please watch for the announcements on the web
page at http://www.yapc.org/America/.


  *********** CALL FOR PAPERS ***********

Potential presenters should submit a 200-300 word abstract to

        lenzo+abstract@cs.cmu.edu

in plain ASCII text or HTML by APRIL 3rd for consideration.  
We would like that your materials be available online, but
it is not required.  If you have materials to include in
the proceedings, or course notes, please let us know your
requirements the abstract.  If you have any special presentation
needs, please include them also.

Talks can be 20 minutes, 40 minutes, or 90 minutes long;
that's actually 20 + 2.5 minutes to change over, 40 + 5 minutes
to change, and 90 + 0 minutes to change over, so questions are
included in the these times.  Please specify the amount of time
you'd like for your talk.

Topics are unlimited, but some suggestions include:

   * Groupware, Agents, and Bots 
   * Perl for Speech and Language 
   * Text and Document Processing 
   * Machine Learning in Perl 
   * HTML, XML, and Markup Languages 
   * CGI and Web programming in Perl 
   * Internet Programming 
   * Database Interation and Access with Perl 
   * Scientific Computing (e.g. with PDL) 
   * Practical Perl Programming 
   * Module guts and usage on any particular Module. 
   * Tutorials of all stripes: Modules, Objects, CPAN 
   * Visionary or position papers on Perl, the past, 
              the present, and the future 
   * Anything cool :) 

Conference fees will be waived for presenters at yapc, so
another way to reduce your costs is to give a good talk
on something you're excited about.


  **** YAPC 100 **  http://www.yapc.org/America/ ********
***************** CALL FOR PARTICIPATION ******************

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From hamptonroadspm at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 28 09:57:35 2000
From: hamptonroadspm at yahoo.com (HRPM)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:02 2004
Subject: [HRPM] FW: User group info for yapc and tpc4
Message-ID: <NDBBLACBMLDCPNHEDLAOEEOHCFAA.hamptonroadspm@yahoo.com>

Forwarding this along as well...

I guess we could say how Jeff is bringing T-Bone steaks for everyone at the
next meeting :-) , that should certainly cause some envy amoung other PM
groups and may boost our membership.

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-groups@lists.pm.org [mailto:owner-groups@lists.pm.org]On
Behalf Of David H. Adler
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2000 2:10 AM
To: groups@lists.panix.com
Subject: User group info for yapc and tpc4


Hi there.  Some of you know me, but for those of you who don't, I'm
dave [response: "Hi Dave!"].  I'm a founding member and leader of the
New York Perl Mongers, and will also be doing sessions/presentations
on the Perl community at yapc and TPC this year.  I also probably lurk
on your group's list.  Yes I get way too much email.

Nevertheless, I'd like for any of you that are inclined to let me know
what your groups are doing.  Or thinking of doing.  Or would like to
do, but aren't sure you can.  I figure if I'm going to talk about user
groups, I should probably have *some* idea what I'm talking about. :-)

I don't really have any specific questions at the moment - I'm
basically trying to get something of a real feel for what the perl
community is actually doing in this area, rather than just making
educated guesses.

If any of you *are* interested in answering any specific questions I
wind up having, let me know that too... I'll be glad for whatever
information I have (but don't want to bog anyone down with questions
who doesn't want/have time for them).

If this isn't as coherent as it might be, I apologize.  That's what I
get for writing this in the middle of the night... :-/

I'm interested in anything you think is worth mentioning.  Really.  I
want to make these presentation as good and informative as I can.

Thanks for your help.

Please send information to <dha+tpc@panix.com>.

Thanks again, and again!

best,

dave
--
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From jduffy at semcor.com  Tue Mar 28 11:37:25 2000
From: jduffy at semcor.com (Jeff Duffy)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:02 2004
Subject: [HRPM] Free 386/486 to play with
Message-ID: <38E0EDD5.242E8766@semcor.com>

All,

 I rescued an old 386 my neighbor was tossing this morning, as I know
some people would like to experiment with Linux/BSD as a firewall
component or router. It looks surprisingly unused and has a monitor,
keyboard, mouse, etc, but of course I can't say much other than it's
probably way too slow to run X or anything like that. It would make a
decent box to play around with routing / packet filtering / NAT and so
forth, though. 

 I'll keep it for a few days to see if anyone wants it, otherwise I
don't have the space for long-term storage. I think he said it was
actually upgraded from a 386/16 to a 486/25 or 50, but don't bet on it.

 Let me know.

Jeff
-- 
Jeffrey A. Duffy
Principal Engineer
ACS Services Havelock, NC
jduffy@semcor.com

From jduffy at semcor.com  Wed Mar 29 16:55:49 2000
From: jduffy at semcor.com (Jeff Duffy)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:02 2004
Subject: [HRPM] Free Beginning Perl Class Announcement
Message-ID: <38E289F5.14BC6630@semcor.com>

Free Introductory Course in Perl

 Representing the Hampton Roads Perl Mongers (HRPM), Jeff Duffy and
Christopher Hicks will be offering a introductory course in the Perl
programming language for all who are interested. The class will form as
soon as we receive confirmation from at least ten (10) people committing
to attend the lessons. No prior programming experience is necessary,
just an interest in learning Perl.

 The course will be available to all who wish to come, and will be free
of charge. Classes will be scheduled every Saturday; the time will be
posted to interested respondents in the near future. Classes will be
held at the ACS Services office off of Greenbrier Parkway in Chesapeake
(with our gratitude to ACS Services, Inc. for providing the space).
Directions to the office are available on the HRPM website
(http://norfolk.pm.org).

 It is not required but HIGHLY recommended that interested parties
purchase the book 'Learning Perl' by Randall L. Shwartz and Tom
Christiansen, published by O'Reilly and associates. The book is easily
identified by the llama on the cover, and can be found at the local
Barnes and Noble and other bookstores. HRPM receives a 20% discount from
O'Reilly, and we are willing to do a one-time bulk order of the book at
discount prior to the first class date if there is enough interest. This
book will be the text used for a good deal of the course material. 

 Topics covered in the course will include:

 - An introduction to Perl and basic programming concepts.
 - Perl data types and basic control structures.
 - Input/Output and functions.
 - Using files and file formats.
 - CGI and web programming with Perl.
 - Using Perl with databases.

 and more.


 Contact Jeff Duffy at <jduffy@semcor.com> if you're interested or have
any questions.


Thanks to the Tidewater Unix User's Group (http://www.twuug.org) for the
use of their mailing list for this announcement.
-- 
Jeffrey A. Duffy
Principal Engineer
ACS Services Havelock, NC
jduffy@semcor.com

From chicks at chicks.net  Fri Mar 31 20:27:40 2000
From: chicks at chicks.net (chicks@chicks.net)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:02 2004
Subject: [HRPM] Modules talk
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10003312127030.17989-100000@yakko>

The URL of interest for the modules talk is:
	http://world.std.com/~swmcd/steven/perl/

Also - would whoever desired this evil Compaq, please drop me a note?

-- 
</chris>

Q: Why did Bill Gates cross the road?
A: To avoid the Department of Justice.