From autarch at urth.org  Wed May  3 12:33:30 2006
From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky)
Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 14:33:30 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mpls-pm] O'Reilly UG Program News: DSUG Discount Changes (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0605031433090.8450@urth.org>

In case anyone's interested. Discounts on ORA books for user group 
members.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 12:16:34 -0700
From: Marsee Henon <marsee at oreilly.com>
To: autarch at urth.org
Subject: O'Reilly UG Program News: DSUG Discount Changes

Hello,

Can you please let your members know about the increase in our user
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meeting.

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From ian at indecorous.com  Mon May  8 08:58:44 2006
From: ian at indecorous.com (Ian Malpass)
Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 10:58:44 -0500
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Meeting Wed.
In-Reply-To: <444E446D.5070506@indecorous.com>
References: <FEE7BC7F7C2920488A1F9AAFED0259B6F82808@pmnmail2.tech-pro.com>	<443AD8EF.5010405@peknet.com>	<443ADA00.6090004@indecorous.com>
	<443ADC53.5070709@peknet.com> <444E446D.5070506@indecorous.com>
Message-ID: <445F6AB4.2020906@indecorous.com>

Are we having a tech meeting on Wednesday then? I think I've volunteered 
to do more OOP, and Peter Karman was going to talk about Catalyst, but 
two talks does not a meeting make. Did we have anything else? There was 
talk of some Pod::Simple::HTML stuff, but neither Peter nor I have 
had/will have the time to prepare anything for this Wednesay.

Ian

From glenn at easy-access.com  Mon May  8 11:36:11 2006
From: glenn at easy-access.com (Glenn Bushee)
Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 13:36:11 -0500
Subject: [Mpls-pm] CGI.pm and forking question
Message-ID: <bbda7ae00605081136u47f08946x4f56331179b8d897@mail.gmail.com>

This shouldn't be difficult, but I have to admit that I'm stumped with this
one and would appreciate any advice.

I'm working on a form so that someone can submit data, it gets saved to a
file, and the user gets a nice little thank you screen that goes into a
redirect mode until a forked process completes its analysis of the data.

The problem I'm hitting is that the parent process seems to hang around and
won't invoke the meta redirect until the exec in the child is done.  This
doesn't make sense to me.

Here is the snippet:

#!/usr/bin/perl
use CGI qw(:standard);

if (param('submit') ne '') {
   my $seq = param('seq');
   # $seq gets cleaned up and saved out to a specific location

   # fork submitted, start redirecting for polling for results
   print header, "<html><head>",
         qq~<META HTTP-EQUIV="Refresh"
CONTENT="0;URL=PATH_TO_POLLING_FOR_RESULTS_PROGRAM?refresh=1">~,
         "</head><body><h2>Sequence Submitted!</h2>Redirecting
...</body></html>\n";

   # double-fork trick because of zombies (got this from some web searching)
   unless ($pid = fork) {
      unless (fork) {
             exec("PATH_TO_ANALYSIS_PROGRAM", "0041");  # 0041 is a hard
coded ARG value for now
             exit(0);
      }
      exit(0);
   }

   # fork submitted, start redirecting for polling for results
   exit(0);
}

Thank you.

- Glenn
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From autarch at urth.org  Mon May  8 15:26:15 2006
From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky)
Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 17:26:15 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mpls-pm] testing
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0605081725410.25582@urth.org>

Ian M said he sent a message this morning and it didn't go through, so 
this is a test.


-dave

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From twists at gmail.com  Tue May  9 13:40:52 2006
From: twists at gmail.com (Joshua ben Jore)
Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 15:40:52 -0500
Subject: [Mpls-pm] CGI.pm and forking question
In-Reply-To: <bbda7ae00605081136u47f08946x4f56331179b8d897@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bbda7ae00605081136u47f08946x4f56331179b8d897@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <dc5c751d0605091340r74d4bbe0s69fb9fc79620e3a@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/8/06, Glenn Bushee <glenn at easy-access.com> wrote:
> The problem I'm hitting is that the parent process seems to hang around and
> won't invoke the meta redirect until the exec in the child is done.  This
> doesn't make sense to me.

See Suffering from Buffering at
http://perl.plover.com/FAQs/Buffering.html. If that's not it I'd go
look at what happens when you $SIG{CHLD} to something mentioned in
perlipc.

Josh

From glenn at easy-access.com  Tue May  9 14:46:13 2006
From: glenn at easy-access.com (Glenn Bushee)
Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 16:46:13 -0500
Subject: [Mpls-pm] CGI.pm and forking question
In-Reply-To: <dc5c751d0605091340r74d4bbe0s69fb9fc79620e3a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bbda7ae00605081136u47f08946x4f56331179b8d897@mail.gmail.com>
	<dc5c751d0605091340r74d4bbe0s69fb9fc79620e3a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bbda7ae00605091446x678e8bb1r91886bbf42799b13@mail.gmail.com>

Josh, thank you for the link.  I found a related post that MJD made on the
topic (http://www.plover.com/~mjd/misc/dyana) and eventually got it working
properly using the following line within the double-fork routine:

exec("PATH_TO_ANALYSIS_PROGRAM  '0041'  >/dev/null &");

While 0041 is a temporary value, for my purposes it will be replaced with a
variable that will go through quite a bit of cleaning since I did NOT get
this to work trying to string it together such as:

exec("PATH_TO_ANALYSIS_PROGRAM", "0041", ">/dev/null &");  # did not work

Thank you again.

- Glenn



On 5/9/06, Joshua ben Jore <twists at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 5/8/06, Glenn Bushee <glenn at easy-access.com> wrote:
> > The problem I'm hitting is that the parent process seems to hang around
> and
> > won't invoke the meta redirect until the exec in the child is
> done.  This
> > doesn't make sense to me.
>
> See Suffering from Buffering at
> http://perl.plover.com/FAQs/Buffering.html. If that's not it I'd go
> look at what happens when you $SIG{CHLD} to something mentioned in
> perlipc.
>
> Josh
>
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From gary.vollink at gmail.com  Tue May  9 19:15:41 2006
From: gary.vollink at gmail.com (Gary Vollink)
Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 21:15:41 -0500
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Meeting Wed.
In-Reply-To: <445F6AB4.2020906@indecorous.com>
References: <FEE7BC7F7C2920488A1F9AAFED0259B6F82808@pmnmail2.tech-pro.com>
	<443AD8EF.5010405@peknet.com> <443ADA00.6090004@indecorous.com>
	<443ADC53.5070709@peknet.com> <444E446D.5070506@indecorous.com>
	<445F6AB4.2020906@indecorous.com>
Message-ID: <d920f0f10605091915x7c67a6c7pf0089ae35a71127b@mail.gmail.com>

I, for one, am looking forward to tomorrow's meeting, whether at the
Royale, or anywhere else.  Who's up for what?

On 5/8/06, Ian Malpass <ian at indecorous.com> wrote:
> Are we having a tech meeting on Wednesday then? I think I've volunteered
> to do more OOP, and Peter Karman was going to talk about Catalyst, but
> two talks does not a meeting make. Did we have anything else? There was
> talk of some Pod::Simple::HTML stuff, but neither Peter nor I have
> had/will have the time to prepare anything for this Wednesay.
>
> Ian
> _______________________________________________
> Mpls-pm mailing list
> Mpls-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls-pm
>

From peter at peknet.com  Wed May 10 06:17:55 2006
From: peter at peknet.com (Peter Karman)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 08:17:55 -0500
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Meeting Wed.
In-Reply-To: <445F6AB4.2020906@indecorous.com>
References: <FEE7BC7F7C2920488A1F9AAFED0259B6F82808@pmnmail2.tech-pro.com>	<443AD8EF.5010405@peknet.com>	<443ADA00.6090004@indecorous.com>	<443ADC53.5070709@peknet.com>
	<444E446D.5070506@indecorous.com> <445F6AB4.2020906@indecorous.com>
Message-ID: <4461E803.7050205@peknet.com>

Life has intervened on my behalf, and I can't make tonight's meeting. 
Sorry for the short notice. I assume since I haven't heard much noise 
about a meeting that others are not planning on it anyway (?)

Next month...

pek

Ian Malpass scribbled on 5/8/06 10:58 AM:
> Are we having a tech meeting on Wednesday then? I think I've volunteered 
> to do more OOP, and Peter Karman was going to talk about Catalyst, but 
> two talks does not a meeting make. Did we have anything else? There was 
> talk of some Pod::Simple::HTML stuff, but neither Peter nor I have 
> had/will have the time to prepare anything for this Wednesay.
> 
> Ian
> _______________________________________________
> Mpls-pm mailing list
> Mpls-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls-pm
> 

-- 
Peter Karman  .  http://peknet.com/  .  peter at peknet.com

From ian at indecorous.com  Wed May 10 07:32:40 2006
From: ian at indecorous.com (Ian Malpass)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 09:32:40 -0500
Subject: [Mpls-pm] YAPC::NA 2006
Message-ID: <4461F988.20901@indecorous.com>

In the absence of a technical meeting, I can't tell you all about this 
in person, so I'm forwarding on the mail.

There are at least two of our number speaking at the conference, it's 
nearby, you should go.

Ian

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Tonight's PM Meeting
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 09:50:37 -0400
From: Josh McAdams <josh at yapcchicago.org>
To: ian at indecorous.com

Ian,
   I saw that you were talking at the MPLS.pm meeting tonight.  Would
you mind mentioning YAPC to your other PM members?  We are trying to let
everyone know about the conference, but it's hard to do so in a
non-spammy fashion.
   If you don't mind mentioning it, the conference is in Chicago.  It
will be held June 26th-28th, with two days of open classes immediately
afterward.  There are four tracks of talks including talks by Larry
Wall, Randal Schwartz, Damian Conway, Audrey Tang, etc.  The conference
website is at http://www.yapcchicago.org and there is a poster/handout
at http://www.yapcchicago.org/yapc_poster.pdf.

Thanks,
Josh

From twists at gmail.com  Wed May 10 09:51:10 2006
From: twists at gmail.com (Joshua ben Jore)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 11:51:10 -0500
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Meeting Wed.
In-Reply-To: <4461E803.7050205@peknet.com>
References: <FEE7BC7F7C2920488A1F9AAFED0259B6F82808@pmnmail2.tech-pro.com>
	<443AD8EF.5010405@peknet.com> <443ADA00.6090004@indecorous.com>
	<443ADC53.5070709@peknet.com> <444E446D.5070506@indecorous.com>
	<445F6AB4.2020906@indecorous.com> <4461E803.7050205@peknet.com>
Message-ID: <dc5c751d0605100951m71cbbbfaod28de7be57154287@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/10/06, Peter Karman <peter at peknet.com> wrote:
> Life has intervened on my behalf, and I can't make tonight's meeting.
> Sorry for the short notice. I assume since I haven't heard much noise
> about a meeting that others are not planning on it anyway (?)

Ooh, er. Espresso Royale is is. I'll be there. Not til 7:30ish though.

Josh

From autarch at urth.org  Wed May 10 09:57:59 2006
From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 11:57:59 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Meeting Wed.
In-Reply-To: <dc5c751d0605100951m71cbbbfaod28de7be57154287@mail.gmail.com>
References: <FEE7BC7F7C2920488A1F9AAFED0259B6F82808@pmnmail2.tech-pro.com>
	<443AD8EF.5010405@peknet.com> <443ADA00.6090004@indecorous.com>
	<443ADC53.5070709@peknet.com> <444E446D.5070506@indecorous.com>
	<445F6AB4.2020906@indecorous.com> <4461E803.7050205@peknet.com>
	<dc5c751d0605100951m71cbbbfaod28de7be57154287@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0605101157480.16306@urth.org>

On Wed, 10 May 2006, Joshua ben Jore wrote:

> On 5/10/06, Peter Karman <peter at peknet.com> wrote:
>> Life has intervened on my behalf, and I can't make tonight's meeting.
>> Sorry for the short notice. I assume since I haven't heard much noise
>> about a meeting that others are not planning on it anyway (?)
>
> Ooh, er. Espresso Royale is is. I'll be there. Not til 7:30ish though.

Me too.


-Dave

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From matt at omega.org  Wed May 17 05:18:45 2006
From: matt at omega.org (Matthew Johnson)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 07:18:45 -0500
Subject: [Mpls-pm] [OT] Google releases AJAX toolkit
Message-ID: <61D63AE2-73A0-4591-A1B4-27518F3F1A62@omega.org>


We're bringing you Google Web Toolkit. GWT is a new publicly  
available software development tool that makes creating AJAX  
applications much easier. With GWT, you can develop and debug your  
own AJAX applications in Java code using the Java development tools  
of your choice. When you deploy your application to production, the  
GWT compiler simply translates your Java application to browser- 
compliant JavaScript and HTML.

post:
http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2006/05/making-ajax-development- 
easier.html

webkit:
http://code.google.com/webtoolkit/

From alan.miner at nwa.com  Wed May 17 08:27:34 2006
From: alan.miner at nwa.com (Miner, Alan G)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 10:27:34 -0500
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Secure scripts question
Message-ID: <1A7B5FB9009EFE4E9F06F7960EAA8841018520DC@A3MSPJ60.pad.nwa.com>

The basic question is: Is there a better way to secure passwords in
scripts?

We have many perl and ksh scripts that do many things (Unix and Win).
They call applications and must provide security credentials in that
batch process. The credentials are kept in a file that only the
user/group can read, and the passwords themselves are encrypted within
that file. 

We would like to make the scripts "pure" perl, but the rub is that the
crypto keys for the passwords have to be stored somewhere easily
accessible.

Does anyone have a more secure (yet workable) architecture/framework
than this?

I have searched various sites, blogs and archives and it always seems to
boil down to where to store the encryption keys.

Thanks!
Alan

From twists at gmail.com  Wed May 17 11:19:37 2006
From: twists at gmail.com (Joshua ben Jore)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 13:19:37 -0500
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Secure scripts question
In-Reply-To: <1A7B5FB9009EFE4E9F06F7960EAA8841018520DC@A3MSPJ60.pad.nwa.com>
References: <1A7B5FB9009EFE4E9F06F7960EAA8841018520DC@A3MSPJ60.pad.nwa.com>
Message-ID: <dc5c751d0605171119v4a72867dwd4420ab2302a19a1@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/17/06, Miner, Alan G <alan.miner at nwa.com> wrote:
> I have searched various sites, blogs and archives and it always seems to
> boil down to where to store the encryption keys.

Yah sure. As far as I know, that's all it'll ever come down to with
the tools we have now. Your script has to be able to access the
information somehow. You could stick it in the interpreter, in some
object code that gets loaded, in the perl source code, in a readable
file, whatever. In all cases it's still somewhere.

gpg handles this by forcing you to keep your private keys private to
the user that's running it. It throws an error if your configuration
is bad.

Or are in the other common situation where the script is doing
something for a user and you want to keep the credentials from the
user? This sounds like the confused deputy problem that the
Capabilities people like to bring up. Maybe you should consider
writing your program in E instead of perl.

Josh

From gary.vollink at gmail.com  Wed May 17 11:44:47 2006
From: gary.vollink at gmail.com (Gary Vollink)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 13:44:47 -0500
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Secure scripts question
In-Reply-To: <dc5c751d0605171119v4a72867dwd4420ab2302a19a1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1A7B5FB9009EFE4E9F06F7960EAA8841018520DC@A3MSPJ60.pad.nwa.com>
	<dc5c751d0605171119v4a72867dwd4420ab2302a19a1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d920f0f10605171144n28bb25fcl4842ec057534ccdd@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/17/06, Joshua ben Jore <twists at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 5/17/06, Miner, Alan G <alan.miner at nwa.com> wrote:
> > I have searched various sites, blogs and archives and it always seems to
> > boil down to where to store the encryption keys.
>
> Yah sure. As far as I know, that's all it'll ever come down to with
> the tools we have now. Your script has to be able to access the
> information somehow. You could stick it in the interpreter, in some
> object code that gets loaded, in the perl source code, in a readable
> file, whatever. In all cases it's still somewhere.

Unless you have the capabilities to actually modify everything in the
chain.  Kerberos/LDAP style.  User authenticates, gets ticket.  Tool
can use ticket in user's name.  In the end - either a user is
supplying the information live - at some point - or - your script has
a location to find the keys.  Alternatively, you throw caution to the
wind, and run locally as root.

From patm at visi.com  Wed May 17 12:56:09 2006
From: patm at visi.com (Patrick McNamee)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 14:56:09 -0500
Subject: [Mpls-pm] job opportunity
In-Reply-To: <446B71C4.8020208@consumption.net>
References: <20060401213410.GA24707@isis.visi.com>
	<446B71C4.8020208@consumption.net>
Message-ID: <20060517195608.GB25154@isis.visi.com>

No, the position has been filled.


On Wed, May 17, 2006 at 01:56:04PM -0500, Torleiv Ringer wrote:
> Patrick,
> 
> Is this position still available?
> 
> Torleiv Ringer
> 
> Patrick McNamee wrote:
> 
> >Holmes Corporation is looking for a programmer, someone who
> >has the 'nix, Perl, Mason, MySQL, Apache, mod_perl, etc.
> >skill set.
> >
> >If you have such skills and are in the market for a new job,
> >contact me. The job is a full-time, regular-employee
> >position, not freelance or contract.
> >
> >--
> >Patrick McNamee
> >Holmes Corporation
> >651-905-2636 (work)
> >651-653-8446 (home)
> >www.holmescorp.com

From ken at mathforum.org  Wed May 17 19:35:05 2006
From: ken at mathforum.org (Ken Williams)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 21:35:05 -0500
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Secure scripts question
In-Reply-To: <1A7B5FB9009EFE4E9F06F7960EAA8841018520DC@A3MSPJ60.pad.nwa.com>
References: <1A7B5FB9009EFE4E9F06F7960EAA8841018520DC@A3MSPJ60.pad.nwa.com>
Message-ID: <C62AC987-F7DD-4F31-8C47-05652411CB09@mathforum.org>


On May 17, 2006, at 10:27 AM, Miner, Alan G wrote:

> The basic question is: Is there a better way to secure passwords in
> scripts?
>
> We have many perl and ksh scripts that do many things (Unix and Win).
> They call applications and must provide security credentials in that
> batch process. The credentials are kept in a file that only the
> user/group can read, and the passwords themselves are encrypted within
> that file.

Personally I usually skip that second part.  If you're running on a  
secure enough operating system (e.g. your Unix stuff) then file  
permissions are secure and about as simple as things get.

If you don't trust OS-level permissions to provide security, then  
encrypting the passwords is probably just giving a false sense of  
security.  In a sense it does provide a kind of "two factor" security  
I suppose, but both factors really just boil down to OS-level security.

  -Ken


From twists at gmail.com  Wed May 24 08:50:46 2006
From: twists at gmail.com (Joshua ben Jore)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 10:50:46 -0500
Subject: [Mpls-pm] OT: Mac help needed
Message-ID: <dc5c751d0605240850j21343e70t910970b193a383d@mail.gmail.com>

My dad's employer needs someone to help them fix some Macs that
they're responsible for. Contact Jim Jore directly if you're
interested. I'm sure it'd just be an afternoon of finding the buggy
extension or something like that.

Josh

---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Jim Jore <Jjore at designlearn.net>
> To: Joshua ben Jore <Joshua.benJore at shps.com>
> Subject: FW: New Tech Request: [TICKET #4144]: computer problems
> Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 15:06:34 -0500
>
> Any Mac Persons, Please
>
> Jim Jore
> Network Engineer
> MCT, CTT, MCSE, MCSA-M, A+, Network+.
> Designs for Learning
> 1000 Hamline Avenue North
> Suite 100
> St. Paul, MN 55104
> Phone: 651-645-0200, x3008
> Fax: 651-645-0240
> E-mail: jjore at designlearn.netg
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nicole Paulbick [mailto:npaulbick at dugsiacademy.org]
> Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 3:10 PM
> To: Tech Request Recipients
> Subject: New Tech Request: [TICKET #4144]: computer problems
>
> *** ORGANIZATION:  Dugsi
> *** ORIGINATOR:  Nicole Paulbick
> *** PRIORITY:  2 - High (within one week)
>
> *** PROBLEM DESCRIPTION/JOB REQUEST:
> NWEA testing has been going on all this week and everything has been
> going pretty well with all of that.  Besides the fact one of the
> computers still won't let me into Test Taker (it did the first day, but
> then decided it didn't want to work anymore).  It keeps coming up with
> the message 'A valid NTE database cannot be found at the specified
> location /volumes/NWE_TESTING/Spring06_NTE.  I tried getting rid of it
> and putting it back on, but it didn't work.  This is the least of my
> problems though.
>
> In working on the cloning process with the Mac's for the last couple of
> weeks it finally appeared as though I got 16 of the computers to do
> exactly what we had wanted them to do.  Well, at least the NWEA Test
> Taker icons worked.  By all appearences everything looks like it's set
> up the way it's supposed to be.  When you log out there are the
> different accounts to go into (SMStudent, Dugsi Academy, SMTeacher,
> SMAdmin and Other).  SuccessMaker isn't working on any of the computers
> now.  It's been doing a couple of different things.  Sometimes you can
> get into the program, but when you try to go into either reading or math
> it will completely freeze.  Or sometimes the following error message
> shows up when you try to get into SM: Can't get <<class brow>> 1 of
> application 'Finder'. So SuccessMaker doesn't work at all right now.
>
> Then there's the matter of the 6 computers that crashed during the
> cloning process.  Five of them have blank blue screens and one has a
> blank gray screen.  I can't get them to do anything.  Then there's one
> computer that the cloning process didn't work on and I have no idea why
> it didn't work - the process went the way it was supposed to, but
> nothing changed on the desktop and SuccessMaker doesn't work on this
> computer at all anymore.
>
> I will be doing limited testing on the morning of 5/23 and I won't be
> testing at all on 5/25 or 5/26 - I have to be back in the art room.  The
> computer lab will be empty these days (no regular classes) so that might
> be a good time to try and work on these problems.
>
> Thank you!!!
>
> *** CURRENT STATUS:
> Your technical support contact is in the process of responding to this
> request.

From cpj1 at visi.com  Wed May 24 12:45:59 2006
From: cpj1 at visi.com (Chris)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 14:45:59 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Indirect reference/inheritance?
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0605241439010.27802@isis.visi.com>


Okay, I have 2 classes, one being a subclass of the other.

package A

sub foo {
return;
}

package B
use base(A);


Package A has a subroutine that *should* manipulate a variable in the
namespace of the involking object.

That is, if B is a subclass of A, and B has %Foo, the subroutine in A
should manipulate %B:Foo.

However, my attempt at an indirect reference is failing.

$class=ref($object)
$var=$class."::Foo";

foreach $k (keys(%{$var}))
{
	# do stuff
}

I'm stuck with perl 5.8.0 on this one.

Any ideas what I'm screwing up?

--------------------
Christopher Josephes
cpj1 at visi.com

From twists at gmail.com  Wed May 24 12:54:41 2006
From: twists at gmail.com (Joshua ben Jore)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 14:54:41 -0500
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Indirect reference/inheritance?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0605241439010.27802@isis.visi.com>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0605241439010.27802@isis.visi.com>
Message-ID: <dc5c751d0605241254m18be4de0o8c58eac602cc8c80@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/24/06, Chris <cpj1 at visi.com> wrote:
>
> Any ideas what I'm screwing up?

You're not using a tool like Class::Data::Inheritable. Perl does ISA
lookups when you make class or object method calls. It doesn't have
any builtin facility to find inherited class data. I haven't used that
module since I've never thought I needed to use it. I suppose it
works, I think I've used other things that required it and they seemed
to work ok.

Also, perl has a built in class called B. It'd be a terrible idea for
you to name one of your classes that same thing. Go skim the docs for
B and see if you *really* want to use that one. This is the same bug
that people trip over when they name their class Test. That's another
builtin.

Josh

From cpj1 at visi.com  Wed May 24 13:03:13 2006
From: cpj1 at visi.com (Chris)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 15:03:13 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Indirect reference/inheritance?
In-Reply-To: <dc5c751d0605241254m18be4de0o8c58eac602cc8c80@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0605241439010.27802@isis.visi.com>
	<dc5c751d0605241254m18be4de0o8c58eac602cc8c80@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0605241501190.28348@isis.visi.com>

On Wed, 24 May 2006, Joshua ben Jore wrote:

> Also, perl has a built in class called B. It'd be a terrible idea for
> you to name one of your classes that same thing. Go skim the docs for
> B and see if you *really* want to use that one. This is the same bug
> that people trip over when they name their class Test. That's another
> builtin.

Uh, I only used the names "A" and "B" as examples.....

> Josh
>

--------------------
Christopher Josephes
cpj1 at visi.com

From orderthruchaos at gmail.com  Wed May 24 13:35:45 2006
From: orderthruchaos at gmail.com (Brett DiFrischia)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 15:35:45 -0500
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Indirect reference/inheritance?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0605241439010.27802@isis.visi.com>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0605241439010.27802@isis.visi.com>
Message-ID: <dcc4facc0605241335m71d44299kbb14e10e59c7a4d2@mail.gmail.com>

How did you declare %Foo?  If you used 'my' or 'local', %Free won't be in
the namespace for the inherited class.  Make sure you are using 'our'.

Brett

PS  Sorry, Josh, didn't mean to send that to only you.

On 5/24/06, Chris <cpj1 at visi.com> wrote:
>
>
> Okay, I have 2 classes, one being a subclass of the other.
>
> package A
>
> sub foo {
> return;
> }
>
> package B
> use base(A);
>
>
> Package A has a subroutine that *should* manipulate a variable in the
> namespace of the involking object.
>
> That is, if B is a subclass of A, and B has %Foo, the subroutine in A
> should manipulate %B:Foo.
>
> However, my attempt at an indirect reference is failing.
>
> $class=ref($object)
> $var=$class."::Foo";
>
> foreach $k (keys(%{$var}))
> {
>         # do stuff
> }
>
> I'm stuck with perl 5.8.0 on this one.
>
> Any ideas what I'm screwing up?
>
> --------------------
> Christopher Josephes
> cpj1 at visi.com
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> Mpls-pm mailing list
> Mpls-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls-pm
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From ian at indecorous.com  Wed May 24 13:36:53 2006
From: ian at indecorous.com (Ian Malpass)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 15:36:53 -0500
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Indirect reference/inheritance?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0605241439010.27802@isis.visi.com>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0605241439010.27802@isis.visi.com>
Message-ID: <4474C3E5.3000405@indecorous.com>

Chris wrote:

> However, my attempt at an indirect reference is failing.
> 
> $class=ref($object)
> $var=$class."::Foo";
> 
> foreach $k (keys(%{$var}))
> {
> 	# do stuff
> }
> 
> I'm stuck with perl 5.8.0 on this one.
> 
> Any ideas what I'm screwing up?

Are you sure $object contains a reference, and isn't just the class 
name? Because then ref would return undef and $var would be "::Foo".

Ian

PackageA.pm:

   package PackageA;

   use strict;
   use warnings;

   sub foo {
       my $self = shift;
       my $class = ref $self || $self;
       no strict 'refs';
       for ( keys %{ $class . "::Foo" } ) {
           print $_, "\n";
       }
       use strict 'refs';
   }

   1;

PackageB.pm:

   package PackageB;

   use strict;
   use warnings;
   use base qw( PackageA );

   %PackageB::Foo = (
       a => 1,
       b => 2,
   );

   1;

On the command line:

   % perl -I./ -MPackageB -e 'PackageB->foo();'
   a
   b

   % perl -I./ -MPackageB -e 'my $b = bless {}, "PackageB"; $b->foo();'
   a
   b

From ken at mathforum.org  Wed May 24 13:37:55 2006
From: ken at mathforum.org (Ken Williams)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 15:37:55 -0500
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Indirect reference/inheritance?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0605241439010.27802@isis.visi.com>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0605241439010.27802@isis.visi.com>
Message-ID: <CA30D09E-C409-47E6-8071-551EBE07A04F@mathforum.org>


On May 24, 2006, at 2:45 PM, Chris wrote:

> However, my attempt at an indirect reference is failing.
>
> $class=ref($object)
> $var=$class."::Foo";
>
> foreach $k (keys(%{$var}))
> {
> 	# do stuff
> }

Hi Chris,

You didn't say how it's failing, but I'm guessing $class here isn't  
what you think it is.  Try printing out the value of $class or $var  
in a debug message.

Perhaps you want $class = $ISA[0] instead of $class = ref($object).   
Keep in mind that $object could be essentially any arbitrary subclass  
of B or A, and caring about its class name is Officially Evil.

If that debug message doesn't shed light, try posting a full example  
with the error messages you're getting.

  -Ken


From cpj1 at visi.com  Wed May 24 13:58:38 2006
From: cpj1 at visi.com (Chris)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 15:58:38 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Indirect reference/inheritance?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0605241439010.27802@isis.visi.com>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0605241439010.27802@isis.visi.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0605241554580.29886@isis.visi.com>

Figured it out.

Despite using -cw, and "use warnings", the perl interpreter failed because
of a value inside the hash with this regular expression.

%Foo=(
  ....
  "field3" => "(\\d+)\\$",
)

I had to remove one backslash in front of the dollar sign in the value.
Then everything worked fine.

After direct manipulation with variables within the package itself, the
error came to light.  I'm guessing a later version of perl would have done
a better job of complaining.  This drove me up the wall for about 2 hours.

So the references I was using was actually okay.


--------------------
Christopher Josephes
cpj1 at visi.com

From peter at peknet.com  Wed May 24 14:03:58 2006
From: peter at peknet.com (Peter Karman)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 16:03:58 -0500
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Indirect reference/inheritance?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0605241439010.27802@isis.visi.com>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0605241439010.27802@isis.visi.com>
Message-ID: <4474CA3E.9000809@peknet.com>

Was reading about this just yesterday here:

http://perldoc.perl.org/perlbot.html

See especially the section "CLASS CONTEXT AND THE OBJECT."

The recommendation is to always put a reference to package vars in the 
object itself, to avoid the kind of problem you're experiencing.

[ I realize this kind of response is annoying (e.g., "why don't you do 
it this way instead...") but as I am only the messenger, please don't 
shoot. ;) ]



Chris scribbled on 5/24/06 2:45 PM:
> Okay, I have 2 classes, one being a subclass of the other.
> 
> package A
> 
> sub foo {
> return;
> }
> 
> package B
> use base(A);
> 
> 
> Package A has a subroutine that *should* manipulate a variable in the
> namespace of the involking object.
> 
> That is, if B is a subclass of A, and B has %Foo, the subroutine in A
> should manipulate %B:Foo.
> 
> However, my attempt at an indirect reference is failing.
> 
> $class=ref($object)
> $var=$class."::Foo";
> 
> foreach $k (keys(%{$var}))
> {
> 	# do stuff
> }
> 
> I'm stuck with perl 5.8.0 on this one.
> 
> Any ideas what I'm screwing up?
> 
> --------------------
> Christopher Josephes
> cpj1 at visi.com
> _______________________________________________
> Mpls-pm mailing list
> Mpls-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls-pm
> 

-- 
Peter Karman  .  http://peknet.com/  .  peter at peknet.com

From gypsy at freeq.com  Fri May 26 07:50:49 2006
From: gypsy at freeq.com (Gypsy Rogers)
Date: 26 May 2006 14:50:49 -0000
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Perl/Apache/CGI/Oracle Contract for Hire position
Message-ID: <20060526145049.5313.qmail@implex.gypsy.org>


Anyone looking for a job that is Perl/Apache/CGI/Oracle on a Contract for
Hire basis? I'm interviewing for one next week and the recruiter I'm working
with says she has 6 more positions just like it with the same company.

Contact me offlist if you are interested and I'll forward your resume on to her.

From joshua.mcadams at gmail.com  Wed May 31 21:11:05 2006
From: joshua.mcadams at gmail.com (Joshua McAdams)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 23:11:05 -0500
Subject: [Mpls-pm] YAPC::NA
Message-ID: <49d805d70605312111r364c211cg60d5aabd0e050efb@mail.gmail.com>

Hi there fellow Perl Mongers.  I'm writing to remind you all that
YAPC::NA is only a few weeks away.  The conference will be held in
Chicago June 26th through 28th and will feature four simultaneous
sessions of Perl talks for three days in addition to a job fair,
banquet, and auction.  After the conference Damian Conway, Randal
Schwartz, and brian d foy will be sticking around and conducting
professional training classes and extremely reduced prices.

This email is a little spammy (sorry about that), but I just wanted to
remind you all about the conference and also ask for your help in
promoting it so that we can fill up the few spots that are remaining.

For more information check out http://www.yapcchicago.org.

We invite you to put up posters:

  http://yapcchicago.org/yapc_poster.pdf
  http://yapcchicago.org/yapc_poster_white.pdf

Or maybe a web banner:

  http://www.yapcchicago.org/yapc_banner_wide.jpg
  http://www.yapcchicago.org/yapc_banner_narrow.jpg

Thank you for your help in making YAPC a success once again,

Josh McAdams