From gary.vollink at gmail.com Sat Mar 5 12:08:22 2005 From: gary.vollink at gmail.com (Gary Vollink) Date: Sat Mar 5 12:08:32 2005 Subject: [Mpls-pm] March 9 Meeting? Message-ID: The next meeting is (supposedly) four days away, and I was thinking that I would come out - but zero traffic on this list since the last conversation that I started makes me wonder. So, since nobody else has broached the subject... Does anybody else want to show? From autarch at urth.org Sat Mar 5 12:22:35 2005 From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky) Date: Sat Mar 5 12:22:44 2005 Subject: [Mpls-pm] March 9 Meeting? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, 5 Mar 2005, Gary Vollink wrote: > The next meeting is (supposedly) four days away, and I was thinking > that I would come out - but zero traffic on this list since the last > conversation that I started makes me wonder. So, since nobody else > has broached the subject... Does anybody else want to show? I'd like to go. As always, I'd like a ride from Uptown, though if the weather holds out I wouldn't mind taking the bus. -dave /*=================================================== VegGuide.Org www.BookIRead.com Your guide to all that's veg. My book blog ===================================================*/ From howlingwhale at yahoo.com Sun Mar 6 20:29:27 2005 From: howlingwhale at yahoo.com (Mark Mykkanen) Date: Sun Mar 6 20:29:37 2005 Subject: [Mpls-pm] March 9 Meeting? Message-ID: <20050307042927.40419.qmail@web50008.mail.yahoo.com> I plan on being there. Mark On Sat, Mar 05, 2005 at 02:08:22PM -0600, Gary Vollink wrote: > The next meeting is (supposedly) four days away, and I was thinking > that I would come out - but zero traffic on this list since the last > conversation that I started makes me wonder. So, since nobody else > has broached the subject... Does anybody else want to show? > _______________________________________________ > Mpls-pm mailing list > Mpls-pm@pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls-pm > __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ From sieglerc at comcast.net Sun Mar 6 20:42:49 2005 From: sieglerc at comcast.net (Chris Siegler) Date: Sun Mar 6 20:42:57 2005 Subject: [Mpls-pm] March 9 Meeting? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <422BDBC9.5080201@comcast.net> Gary Vollink wrote: > The next meeting is (supposedly) four days away, and I was thinking > that I would come out - but zero traffic on this list since the last > conversation that I started makes me wonder. So, since nobody else > has broached the subject... Does anybody else want to show? I'm planning on going. From ken at mathforum.org Mon Mar 7 05:32:46 2005 From: ken at mathforum.org (Ken Williams) Date: Mon Mar 7 05:33:05 2005 Subject: [Mpls-pm] March 9 Meeting? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <592958ae706b0275a46829bbb08cb46a@mathforum.org> On Mar 5, 2005, at 2:08 PM, Gary Vollink wrote: > The next meeting is (supposedly) four days away, and I was thinking > that I would come out - but zero traffic on this list since the last > conversation that I started makes me wonder. So, since nobody else > has broached the subject... Does anybody else want to show? It's been tough for me to make it on Wednesday nights lately, because my wife sings in a choir that night and the baby doesn't tolerate sleeping in strange environments very well anymore, so it's not good to bring her with me. And you guys *are* programmers, as you know, so I think that qualifies as "strange environments." -Ken From matt at omega.org Mon Mar 7 11:36:39 2005 From: matt at omega.org (Matthew Johnson) Date: Mon Mar 7 11:36:55 2005 Subject: [Mpls-pm] Perl pre-tests In-Reply-To: <592958ae706b0275a46829bbb08cb46a@mathforum.org> References: <592958ae706b0275a46829bbb08cb46a@mathforum.org> Message-ID: <7c2a00292569076f8807b89eb5fcf1b6@omega.org> Does anyone know of a website with a perl test on it. I'm curious if my knowledge in perl is complete. I've gone through "Learning Perl" and "Perl Programming" from O'Reily. I also have the "Perl Cookbook" and some of the stuff in there amazes me a bit. I would think there would have to be two sections to the test, one for procedural perl and one for object oriented. Thanks, Best Wishes, -Matt Johnson From chris.zwieg at gmacrfc.com Mon Mar 7 14:24:33 2005 From: chris.zwieg at gmacrfc.com (Zwieg, Chris) Date: Mon Mar 7 14:24:44 2005 Subject: [Mpls-pm] Perl pre-tests Message-ID: <3F2F52CF1C2B584ABF9B3C99ABDA58F8081258@VMSPAP1001CAA.na.corp.gmacrfc.com> I don't think us mortals can ever have complete knowledge of PERL. There is a mailing list that may be close to what you are looking for. It is the PERL Quiz of the Week; the link is below. They alternate between a regular and advanced quiz. http://perl.plover.com/qotw/ Thanks, Chris Zwieg -----Original Message----- From: mpls-pm-bounces@pm.org [mailto:mpls-pm-bounces@pm.org] On Behalf Of Matthew Johnson Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 1:37 PM To: mpls-pm@pm.org Subject: [Mpls-pm] Perl pre-tests Does anyone know of a website with a perl test on it. I'm curious if my knowledge in perl is complete. I've gone through "Learning Perl" and "Perl Programming" from O'Reily. I also have the "Perl Cookbook" and some of the stuff in there amazes me a bit. I would think there would have to be two sections to the test, one for procedural perl and one for object oriented. Thanks, Best Wishes, -Matt Johnson _______________________________________________ Mpls-pm mailing list Mpls-pm@pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls-pm From chris at prather.org Tue Mar 8 14:00:54 2005 From: chris at prather.org (chris@prather.org) Date: Tue Mar 8 14:01:13 2005 Subject: [Mpls-pm] Perl pre-tests Message-ID: <48122.167.206.189.3.1110319254.squirrel@webmail.nachbaur.com> I forgot to bounce this back to the list. ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: Re: [Mpls-pm] Perl pre-tests From: chris@prather.org Date: Tue, March 8, 2005 1:59 pm To: "Matthew Johnson" -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Does anyone know of a website with a perl test on it. I'm curious if my knowledge in perl is complete. I've gone through "Learning Perl" and "Perl Programming" from O'Reily. I also have the "Perl Cookbook" and some of the stuff in there amazes me a bit. I would think there would have to be two sections to the test, one for procedural perl and one for object oriented. I think it's safe to assume that if you're talking about Perl. Your knowledge is never complete. I feel fairly confident with my perl in nearly every situation I'm placed in, and I consider myself at *best* intermediate level, perhaps "advanced beginner". I don't think any real test could show your knowledge of Perl was comlete, perhaps sufficiently advanced and or competent with regard to whatever the tester was looking for but certainly not complete. Would you say your knowledge of English was complete? Would you say that after reading something by Lewis Caroll, T.S. Elliot, or [your own favorite authors here]? That said, the Southflorida Group had a quiz they used several months (years?) ago at a meeting. And there is the Quiz of the Week http://perl.plover.com/qotw/ and a google search turned up http://www.jimandkoka.com/display.cgi/quiz/quiz.tpl?quiz=28 ... From ringert at consumption.net Tue Mar 8 14:09:11 2005 From: ringert at consumption.net (Torleiv Flatebo Ringer) Date: Tue Mar 8 14:09:19 2005 Subject: [Mpls-pm] Perl pre-tests In-Reply-To: <7c2a00292569076f8807b89eb5fcf1b6@omega.org> References: <592958ae706b0275a46829bbb08cb46a@mathforum.org> <7c2a00292569076f8807b89eb5fcf1b6@omega.org> Message-ID: I have used BrainBench in the past, and they have a basic perl test. I have not taken it. torleiv what you said > Does anyone know of a website with a perl test on it. I'm curious if > my knowledge in perl is complete. I've gone through "Learning Perl" > and "Perl Programming" from O'Reily. I also have the "Perl Cookbook" > and some of the stuff in there amazes me a bit. I would think there > would have to be two sections to the test, one for procedural perl and > one for object oriented. > > Thanks, Best Wishes, > -Matt Johnson > > _______________________________________________ > Mpls-pm mailing list > Mpls-pm@pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls-pm > -- One of the symptoms of an approaching nervous breakdown is the belief that one's work is terribly important. Don't be so confident - you are not that great. From perlmongers.20.thulben at spamgourmet.com Wed Mar 9 07:18:09 2005 From: perlmongers.20.thulben at spamgourmet.com (perlmongers.20.thulben@spamgourmet.com) Date: Wed Mar 9 07:18:28 2005 Subject: [Mpls-pm] Meeting tonight? Message-ID: <95cd929105030907187f0c648a@mail.gmail.com> By my count, it's the second Wednesday of March. Is anyone planning on going to Espresso Royale tonight? -- Ben From howlingwhale at yahoo.com Wed Mar 9 07:20:07 2005 From: howlingwhale at yahoo.com (Mark Mykkanen) Date: Wed Mar 9 07:20:15 2005 Subject: [Mpls-pm] Meeting tonight? Message-ID: <20050309152007.69862.qmail@web50002.mail.yahoo.com> I'm not square, I'll be there. :) On Wed, Mar 09, 2005 at 09:18:09AM -0600, perlmongers.20.thulben@spamgourmet.com wrote: > By my count, it's the second Wednesday of March. Is anyone planning > on going to Espresso Royale tonight? > -- > Ben > _______________________________________________ > Mpls-pm mailing list > Mpls-pm@pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls-pm > __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ From gary.vollink at gmail.com Wed Mar 9 08:37:35 2005 From: gary.vollink at gmail.com (Gary Vollink) Date: Wed Mar 9 08:37:44 2005 Subject: Fwd: [Mpls-pm] Meeting tonight? In-Reply-To: References: <20050309152007.69862.qmail@web50002.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I will (I'm new here, so go easy on me). ;-) On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 07:20:07 -0800 (PST), Mark Mykkanen wrote: > I'm not square, I'll be there. :) > > On Wed, Mar 09, 2005 at 09:18:09AM -0600, > perlmongers.20.thulben@spamgourmet.com wrote: > > By my count, it's the second Wednesday of March. Is > anyone planning > > on going to Espresso Royale tonight? > > -- > > Ben > > _______________________________________________ > > Mpls-pm mailing list > > Mpls-pm@pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls-pm > > > > __________________________________ > Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! > Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web > http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ > _______________________________________________ > Mpls-pm mailing list > Mpls-pm@pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls-pm > From matt at omega.org Wed Mar 9 11:40:46 2005 From: matt at omega.org (Matthew Johnson) Date: Wed Mar 9 11:41:04 2005 Subject: [Mpls-pm] Meeting tonight? In-Reply-To: <95cd929105030907187f0c648a@mail.gmail.com> References: <95cd929105030907187f0c648a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2b4c1b1d682d4919bd1f801a0a467dec@omega.org> I'll be there (without bells). -Matt On Mar 9, 2005, at 9:18 AM, perlmongers.20.thulben@spamgourmet.com wrote: > By my count, it's the second Wednesday of March. Is anyone planning > on going to Espresso Royale tonight? > -- > Ben > _______________________________________________ > Mpls-pm mailing list > Mpls-pm@pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls-pm From matt at omega.org Wed Mar 9 21:42:42 2005 From: matt at omega.org (Matthew Johnson) Date: Wed Mar 9 21:42:54 2005 Subject: [Mpls-pm] Meeting Notes 3/9/2005 In-Reply-To: <2b4c1b1d682d4919bd1f801a0a467dec@omega.org> References: <95cd929105030907187f0c648a@mail.gmail.com> <2b4c1b1d682d4919bd1f801a0a467dec@omega.org> Message-ID: <76ba5eb8eb545e16db9aae95b0bfd4fe@omega.org> Good Meeting Tonight. Mike, Chris, Glen, Mike, Craig, Gary, Dave, Chris, Mark, Ben, and Matt were all there. (speak out if I missed you.) Here are my notes... * For Linux double entry accounting use GnuCash * For a Linux compatible HD Tuner Card, try Air2PC. * Some websites for learning CSS include http://alistapart.com/ and CSS 3 Shots .com (unknown spelling) * One of Dave's websites is http://www.vegguide.org/ another is http://bookiread.com/ * A new mapping service is at http://maps.google.com/ Please post your notes, because I'm sure I missed a bunch of stuff. From sieglerc at comcast.net Wed Mar 9 22:02:57 2005 From: sieglerc at comcast.net (sieglerc@comcast.net) Date: Wed Mar 9 22:03:10 2005 Subject: [Mpls-pm] Meeting Notes 3/9/2005 Message-ID: <031020050602.17366.422FE311000A3AD5000043D622007621940C9D0A04090A079C@comcast.net> Website for Air2PC http://www.bbti.us/products_air2pc_atsc_pci.htm Page for setting it up with MythTV http://www.rsmas.miami.edu/personal/angel/mythtv/air2pc-howto.html That page above also has links to two stores that sell the card. I emailed bbti and found that it has a 1 year warranty handled through the reseller. You can find about user's experiences with the Air2PC, especially when dealing with unencrypted cable signals, over at avs forums. > Good Meeting Tonight. > > Mike, Chris, Glen, Mike, Craig, Gary, Dave, Chris, Mark, Ben, and Matt > were all there. (speak out if I missed you.) > > Here are my notes... > > * For Linux double entry accounting use GnuCash > * For a Linux compatible HD Tuner Card, try Air2PC. > * Some websites for learning CSS include http://alistapart.com/ > and CSS 3 Shots .com (unknown spelling) > * One of Dave's websites is http://www.vegguide.org/ > another is http://bookiread.com/ > * A new mapping service is at http://maps.google.com/ > > > Please post your notes, because I'm sure I missed a bunch of stuff. > > _______________________________________________ > Mpls-pm mailing list > Mpls-pm@pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls-pm From gary.vollink at gmail.com Thu Mar 10 04:57:45 2005 From: gary.vollink at gmail.com (Gary Vollink) Date: Thu Mar 10 04:57:54 2005 Subject: [Mpls-pm] Meeting Notes 3/9/2005 In-Reply-To: <76ba5eb8eb545e16db9aae95b0bfd4fe@omega.org> References: <95cd929105030907187f0c648a@mail.gmail.com> <2b4c1b1d682d4919bd1f801a0a467dec@omega.org> <76ba5eb8eb545e16db9aae95b0bfd4fe@omega.org> Message-ID: It was good to meet everybody! I was the one in all tan at the end of the "short" couch. If I didn't meet you (there were several of you) - I'm sorry. * The group seems to be evenly devided between those who hate RedHat and those who use Fedora. Dave recommends a recent Debian "testing" stream. * Don't piss off the company cook, or your supply sergeant. Only one thing to add... * CSS: http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/css/ -- I learned a lot of CSS tricks from this site. Specifically the css/edge section. On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 23:42:42 -0600, Matthew Johnson wrote: > Good Meeting Tonight. > > Mike, Chris, Glen, Mike, Craig, Gary, Dave, Chris, Mark, Ben, and Matt > were all there. (speak out if I missed you.) > > Here are my notes... > > * For Linux double entry accounting use GnuCash > * For a Linux compatible HD Tuner Card, try Air2PC. > * Some websites for learning CSS include http://alistapart.com/ > and CSS 3 Shots .com (unknown spelling) > * One of Dave's websites is http://www.vegguide.org/ > another is http://bookiread.com/ > * A new mapping service is at http://maps.google.com/ > > Please post your notes, because I'm sure I missed a bunch of stuff. > > _______________________________________________ > Mpls-pm mailing list > Mpls-pm@pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls-pm > From jayjarvinen at gmail.com Tue Mar 15 02:09:00 2005 From: jayjarvinen at gmail.com (Jay Jarvinen) Date: Tue Mar 15 02:09:15 2005 Subject: [Mpls-pm] YAMPM Introduction Message-ID: Hi! In an effort to better myself by way of community involvement, I've resorted to drastic action! In other words, I've subscribed to mpls-pm ;) Some of you (ok maybe just Ken W), might remember my antics from the mod_perl v1.1x days, where I did my best to prove that any dedicated noob could run Apache/mod_perl. ("MN nice", aha! everything is much clearer now) I'm self-employed and therefore lucky enough to _choose_ to work in Perl. Selfishly though, my contribution back to Perl has been minimal at best. If a tree.pl runs on a server and no one hears .. oh never mind. Perhaps by sheer proximity to mpls-pm, it'll help motivate my CPAN neurotransmitters. I found my way here via: irc talk of perl 5.10 running on Parrot -> perl.com -> story on phalanx project -> where I noticed Chicago.pm mentioned, and thought to myself, I just bet there's a mpls-pm. Fascinating, huh? So, clearly, I spend more time writing Perl than learning about it. Erm, well, you know what I mean. ;) -Jay From jayjarvinen at gmail.com Tue Mar 15 03:40:24 2005 From: jayjarvinen at gmail.com (Jay Jarvinen) Date: Tue Mar 15 03:40:42 2005 Subject: [Mpls-pm] Issue with binding events to Tk canvas objects. Message-ID: Jay O'Neill, I'm kinda late, hopefully you've figured out your Tk::bind issue. I didn't have the original message to reply to, but for the archive ... In this case, since the bind event is short, I'd just do: $c->bind($i, "", sub { $c->itemconfigure($i, -fill => 'red'); }); But here's how you had it, with a small twist: -Jay J. #!/usr/bin/perl -w use strict; use Tk; my $mw = MainWindow->new(-title => "Press 'q' to exit"); $mw->bind("", sub { warn "Exiting!\n"; exit(0); }); my $c = $mw->Scrolled('Canvas')->pack(); foreach my $i (1 .. 5) { $c->create('text', 50, $i * 20, -text => "Hover Me! $i", -tags => $i); $c->bind($i, "", [\&stuff, $i, 'red']); $c->bind($i, "", [\&stuff, $i, $c->itemcget($i, -fill)]); ##-- set it back to original fill color on Leave event } Tk::MainLoop(); sub stuff { my ($this_c, $this_i, $color) = @_; ##-- named 'this' to demonstrate Tk is passing canvas ref and our data $this_c->itemconfigure($this_i, -fill => $color); # my $ev = $Tk::event; warn "Event Type: ", $ev->T, "\n"; ##-- OR: # warn "Event Type: ", $Tk::event->T, "\n"; } From gary.vollink at gmail.com Wed Mar 16 11:54:27 2005 From: gary.vollink at gmail.com (Gary Vollink) Date: Wed Mar 16 11:54:49 2005 Subject: [Mpls-pm] YAMPM Introduction In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ah - the perils of a low traffic list. I'm hoping that other warm welcomes came, but were simply not copied back to the list... Like you, I'm new here myself, but not new to Perl. Unlike you, I'm employed by others - and have never authored a module. You and I also found this place under a similar chain of discoveries. All that said - Welcome aboard, Jay! Thanks, Gary Allen Vollink On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 04:09:00 -0600, Jay Jarvinen wrote: > Hi! > > In an effort to better myself by way of community involvement, I've > resorted to drastic action! In other words, I've subscribed to mpls-pm > ;) > > Some of you (ok maybe just Ken W), might remember my antics from the > mod_perl v1.1x days, where I did my best to prove that any dedicated > noob could run Apache/mod_perl. ("MN nice", aha! everything is much > clearer now) > > I'm self-employed and therefore lucky enough to _choose_ to work in > Perl. Selfishly though, my contribution back to Perl has been minimal > at best. If a tree.pl runs on a server and no one hears .. oh never > mind. Perhaps by sheer proximity to mpls-pm, it'll help motivate my > CPAN neurotransmitters. > > I found my way here via: irc talk of perl 5.10 running on Parrot -> > perl.com -> story on phalanx project -> where I noticed Chicago.pm > mentioned, and thought to myself, I just bet there's a mpls-pm. > Fascinating, huh? So, clearly, I spend more time writing Perl than > learning about it. Erm, well, you know what I mean. ;) > > -Jay > _______________________________________________ > Mpls-pm mailing list > Mpls-pm@pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls-pm > From glim at mycybernet.net Sat Mar 19 12:04:00 2005 From: glim at mycybernet.net (glim@mycybernet.net) Date: Sat Mar 19 12:31:44 2005 Subject: [Mpls-pm] Yet Another Perl Conference, North America, 2005 Registration now open Message-ID: ----------> Yet Another Perl Conference, North America, 2005 Registration now open. Conference dates: Monday - Wednesday 27 - 29 June 2005 Location: 89 Chestnut Street http://89chestnut.com/ University of Toronto Toronto, Ontario, Canada Info at: http://yapc.org/America Direct registration: http://donate.perlfoundation.org/index.pl?node=registrant%20info&conference_id=423 Full registration fee $85 (USD) Book now for great deals on accommodations and ensure a space for yourself. Speaking slots are still open. If you would like to present at YAPC::NA 2005, see: http://yapc.org/America/cfp-2005.shtml Details of this announcement: http://yapc.org/America/registration-announcement-2005.txt <---------- More Details ============ Registration for YAPC::NA (Yet Another Perl Conference, North America) 2005 in Toronto, Ontario, Canada is now open. The conference registration price is USD$85. This price includes admission to all aspects of the conference, respectable amounts of catering, several activities and a few conference goodies. The YAPC North America 2005 conference features... * Fantastic speakers + most are the core creators of the technology on which they present + many are professional IT authors, trainers and conference speakers * An excellent learning opportunity * A chance to meet Perl professionals from all over North America and the world + YAPC attendees tend to be very involved in Perl and so are another great way to learn more about what the language has to offer beyond just what the speakers have to say * Extra-curricular / after hours activities * A great location in downtown Toronto All this, and the price is more than an order of magnitude cheaper than what commercial conferences can offer. This is because YAPC is a 100% volunteer effort, both from its organizers and its speakers. Quality is *not* sacrificed to achieve this stunning level of affordability. YAPC provides the best value-for-dollar in IT conferences. And it's a ton of fun, too. The dates of the conference are Monday - Wednesday 27-29 June 2005. The location is 89 Chestnut Street in downtown Toronto, Ontario, Canada. (Note that a different date block was previously announced; we moved the conference date to accommodate venue availability.) http://89chestnut.com/ -- a facility within the University of Toronto If you are at all interested in attending the conference... Book now! Book now! Book now! We have room for about 400 attendees and we hope to sell out well in advance of the late June conference date. However, the critical matter is that of hotels. The YAPC::NA 2005 organizers have made group arrangements with several facilities around the city to provide _excellent_ quality accommodations in _very_ convenient locations at _terrific_ prices for the _full_ capacity of conference attendees (around 400 people). (Finding, booking and paying accommodations is the responsibility of the attendees, but we will provide you with a list of the hotels and university dorms to try first based on our group arrangement with them when you register for the conference. Also, see the web site at http://yapc.org/America/accommodations-2005.shtml. More details will be up shortly. The dorm option will be approx. C$55/night, the hotel options will be more like C$90/night, and for slightly different prices there will be options for putting more than 1 person in a room. Exact details and how to book will be emailed directly to people who have registered for the conference as soon as they become available.) *The catch is -- book now!!* The group reservations will expire in early May, at which point in time the group rates will mostly still apply, but the rooms will be given out on an "availability basis". Which means that someone else outside of the YAPC group can book the rooms as well. Make no mistake -- the rooms *will* be sold. Toronto is a very active conference city in the summer and there will be _no_ guarantee of vacancies either at the facilities we made arrangements with or anywhere else in the city if you leave it to within 6 weeks of the conference date. So, if you want to save yourself the likely-fruitless headache of scrambling around looking for accommodations at the last minute, Book now! Book now! Book now! Have any questions? Email na-help@yapc.org for more details. Additionally, we are still welcoming submissions for proposals via: http://yapc.org/America/cfp-2005.shtml The close of the call-for-papers is April 18, 2005 at 11:59 pm (Toronto time). If you have any questions regarding the call-for-papers or speaking at YAPC::NA 2005 please email na-author@yapc.org We would love to hear from potential sponsors. Please contact the organizers at na-sponsor@yapc.org to learn about the benefits of sponsorship. From stigliz at gmail.com Tue Mar 22 15:17:42 2005 From: stigliz at gmail.com (Amedeo Guffanti) Date: Tue Mar 22 15:17:50 2005 Subject: [Mpls-pm] Reseach on Open Source Developers Message-ID: Hi, I'm Amedeo Guffanti, a 22 years old Italian student at Bocconi university in Milan, I' m doing a research to write a work about Open Source Movement, in particular, about the developers. I try to collect the opinions of developers like you. My little poll is at this page : http://www.alberocavo.com/OSSprojects.asp It takes less then 4 minutes. I hope the Open Source Communities will give me a help for my research. I apologize for taking your time and for my English that I hope it's understandable ^^ Sincerly, Amedeo Guffanti From ejseim at tech-pro.com Wed Mar 23 14:59:00 2005 From: ejseim at tech-pro.com (Ehren J. Seim) Date: Wed Mar 23 14:59:12 2005 Subject: [Mpls-pm] 2 Perl positions (3+ month contract) Message-ID: Perl developer with minimum 2 years development\scripting experience. 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URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/mpls-pm/attachments/20050323/6486bdf6/attachment.htm From ken at mathforum.org Tue Mar 29 18:52:10 2005 From: ken at mathforum.org (Ken Williams) Date: Tue Mar 29 18:52:24 2005 Subject: [Mpls-pm] [OT] Connectivity in Minneapolis Message-ID: <535e9697f7bf909e20df48969c7eb178@mathforum.org> Hey, I'm moving to a new house elsewhere in Minneapolis in a couple months, and I thought I'd take the opportunity to cheapen my home connectivity by going DSL-only (no voice) with Qwest and use Vonage for VOIP. But it looks like it's really no cheaper; Qwest charges $49.99 for a bare DSL line (which *is* pretty fast, 896K up and 1.5M down - they don't offer the cheaper options for bare DSL) and Vonage charges $24.99 for a call-all-you-want plan. That's a total of $74.98, which is a whopping $3.95 cheaper than our typical phone bill. Not worth it. At a previous PM meeting I recall a couple people (James, for instance) saying they were saving lots of money with some package like what I've been trying to put together, but so far I seem to be on the outside of the price-saving clubhouse looking in. Tips? -Ken From sieglerc at comcast.net Tue Mar 29 23:31:55 2005 From: sieglerc at comcast.net (Chris Siegler) Date: Tue Mar 29 23:32:11 2005 Subject: [Mpls-pm] [OT] Connectivity in Minneapolis In-Reply-To: <535e9697f7bf909e20df48969c7eb178@mathforum.org> References: <535e9697f7bf909e20df48969c7eb178@mathforum.org> Message-ID: <424A55EB.6080707@comcast.net> Ken Williams wrote: > Hey, > > I'm moving to a new house elsewhere in Minneapolis in a couple months, > and I thought I'd take the opportunity to cheapen my home connectivity > by going DSL-only (no voice) with Qwest and use Vonage for VOIP. But it > looks like it's really no cheaper; Qwest charges $49.99 for a bare DSL > line (which *is* pretty fast, 896K up and 1.5M down - they don't offer > the cheaper options for bare DSL) and Vonage charges $24.99 for a > call-all-you-want plan. That's a total of $74.98, which is a whopping > $3.95 cheaper than our typical phone bill. Not worth it. > > At a previous PM meeting I recall a couple people (James, for instance) > saying they were saving lots of money with some package like what I've > been trying to put together, but so far I seem to be on the outside of > the price-saving clubhouse looking in. Tips? > > -Ken Try SunRocket for your VOIP. They have a yearly plan for $199 (~$17/month) and will refund your unused months if you cancel. There's also a promo for a free 2 handset phone if you use promo code SRAUD3. That expires 3/31/05. There has been a lot of discussion on FW about their service http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/messageview.php?start=0&catid=18&threadid=418156 > > _______________________________________________ > Mpls-pm mailing list > Mpls-pm@pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls-pm > From craig at wavefront.net Wed Mar 30 08:23:30 2005 From: craig at wavefront.net (Craig S. Wilson) Date: Wed Mar 30 08:23:42 2005 Subject: [Mpls-pm] [OT] Connectivity in Minneapolis In-Reply-To: <424A55EB.6080707@comcast.net> References: <535e9697f7bf909e20df48969c7eb178@mathforum.org> <424A55EB.6080707@comcast.net> Message-ID: <424AD282.8050409@wavefront.net> Chris Siegler wrote: > Ken Williams wrote: >> I'm moving to a new house elsewhere in Minneapolis in a couple months, >> and I thought I'd take the opportunity to cheapen my home connectivity >> by going DSL-only (no voice) with Qwest and use Vonage for VOIP. But >> it looks like it's really no cheaper; Qwest charges $49.99 for a bare >> DSL line (which *is* pretty fast, 896K up and 1.5M down - they don't >> offer the cheaper options for bare DSL) and Vonage charges $24.99 for >> a call-all-you-want plan. That's a total of $74.98, which is a >> whopping $3.95 cheaper than our typical phone bill. Not worth it. > Try SunRocket for your VOIP. They have a yearly plan for $199 > (~$17/month) and will refund your unused months if you cancel. The other thing to remember to factor in is long distance. Does your Qwest plan include unlimited long distance, as Vonage does? You can reduce your Vonage cost component if you make less than 500 minutes per month of calls. My business line, with Premium DSL and a package of features, but no LD, is $86 a month. I would expect more difference between that and a consumer line. -- --------------------------------------- Craig S. Wilson craig@wavefront.net WaveFront Communications, Inc. 1677 Lake Valentine Road Arden Hills MN 55112-2840 1.651.638.9594 1.612.865.8794 =============================== Note: If you send me HTML-mail, it will probably end up in my SPAM bucket. --------------------------------------- From ken at mathforum.org Thu Mar 31 08:23:29 2005 From: ken at mathforum.org (Ken Williams) Date: Thu Mar 31 08:23:43 2005 Subject: [Mpls-pm] [OT] Connectivity in Minneapolis In-Reply-To: <424A55EB.6080707@comcast.net> References: <535e9697f7bf909e20df48969c7eb178@mathforum.org> <424A55EB.6080707@comcast.net> Message-ID: <95d8e47ac9d7f68b3b3238f898aa1bb7@mathforum.org> On Mar 30, 2005, at 1:31 AM, Chris Siegler wrote: > > Try SunRocket for your VOIP. They have a yearly plan for $199 > (~$17/month) and will refund your unused months if you cancel. SunRocket looks pretty good. Thanks for the tip. > > There's also a promo for a free 2 handset phone if you use promo code > SRAUD3. That expires 3/31/05. What does a "2-handset phone" mean? Can't I just plug the thingy they'll send me into the main incoming phone line for the house, and then use our regular phones throughout the house? -Ken From sieglerc at comcast.net Thu Mar 31 08:51:04 2005 From: sieglerc at comcast.net (Chris Siegler) Date: Thu Mar 31 08:51:20 2005 Subject: [Mpls-pm] [OT] Connectivity in Minneapolis In-Reply-To: <95d8e47ac9d7f68b3b3238f898aa1bb7@mathforum.org> References: <535e9697f7bf909e20df48969c7eb178@mathforum.org> <424A55EB.6080707@comcast.net> <95d8e47ac9d7f68b3b3238f898aa1bb7@mathforum.org> Message-ID: <424C2A78.6040801@comcast.net> Ken Williams wrote: > > On Mar 30, 2005, at 1:31 AM, Chris Siegler wrote: > >> >> Try SunRocket for your VOIP. They have a yearly plan for $199 >> (~$17/month) and will refund your unused months if you cancel. > > > SunRocket looks pretty good. Thanks for the tip. > > >> >> There's also a promo for a free 2 handset phone if you use promo code >> SRAUD3. That expires 3/31/05. > > > What does a "2-handset phone" mean? Can't I just plug the thingy > they'll send me into the main incoming phone line for the house, and > then use our regular phones throughout the house? > > -Ken > Nope. If you want more than one phone you'll need to hook up a wireless phone with expandable handsets. You can't just plug it into the wall jack. http://www.sunrocket.com/how/install/quick_install_guide.pdf From ken at mathforum.org Thu Mar 31 09:15:00 2005 From: ken at mathforum.org (Ken Williams) Date: Thu Mar 31 09:15:13 2005 Subject: [Mpls-pm] [OT] Connectivity in Minneapolis In-Reply-To: <424C2A78.6040801@comcast.net> References: <535e9697f7bf909e20df48969c7eb178@mathforum.org> <424A55EB.6080707@comcast.net> <95d8e47ac9d7f68b3b3238f898aa1bb7@mathforum.org> <424C2A78.6040801@comcast.net> Message-ID: On Mar 31, 2005, at 10:51 AM, Chris Siegler wrote: > Ken Williams wrote: >> On Mar 30, 2005, at 1:31 AM, Chris Siegler wrote: >>> >>> Try SunRocket for your VOIP. They have a yearly plan for $199 >>> (~$17/month) and will refund your unused months if you cancel. >> SunRocket looks pretty good. Thanks for the tip. >>> >>> There's also a promo for a free 2 handset phone if you use promo >>> code SRAUD3. That expires 3/31/05. >> What does a "2-handset phone" mean? Can't I just plug the thingy >> they'll send me into the main incoming phone line for the house, and >> then use our regular phones throughout the house? >> -Ken > > Nope. If you want more than one phone you'll need to hook up a > wireless phone with expandable handsets. You can't just plug it into > the wall jack. According to http://www.sunrocket.com/help/faqs/install/ it *can* be done, but they try to make it sound scary: ----------------------- * Can I use the inside wiring in my house to power multiple phones with SunRocket service? It is possible to disconnect your traditional phone service and then connect the gizmo to your inside wiring. However, this can be potentially hazardous to your equipment and to your home's inside wiring and possibly expensive to fix. You need to make sure the phone company has completely disconnected from your home before connecting your modem and the gizmo to your inside wiring. To avoid unwanted repair costs, SunRocket recommends contacting a licensed wiring technician to install this type of solution. ----------------------- I'm not quite sure why I'd need the "phone company" to disconnect the wiring, it seems straightforward enough to just do it right where it enters the house. The telephone wiring in the house is completely disjoint from any other wiring and only has a single point of entry, AFAIK. -Ken From sieglerc at comcast.net Thu Mar 31 12:00:50 2005 From: sieglerc at comcast.net (Chris Siegler) Date: Thu Mar 31 12:01:11 2005 Subject: [Mpls-pm] [OT] Connectivity in Minneapolis In-Reply-To: References: <535e9697f7bf909e20df48969c7eb178@mathforum.org> <424A55EB.6080707@comcast.net> <95d8e47ac9d7f68b3b3238f898aa1bb7@mathforum.org> <424C2A78.6040801@comcast.net> Message-ID: <424C56F2.4030406@comcast.net> Ken Williams wrote: > > On Mar 31, 2005, at 10:51 AM, Chris Siegler wrote: > >> Ken Williams wrote: >> >>> On Mar 30, 2005, at 1:31 AM, Chris Siegler wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Try SunRocket for your VOIP. They have a yearly plan for $199 >>>> (~$17/month) and will refund your unused months if you cancel. >>> >>> SunRocket looks pretty good. Thanks for the tip. >>> >>>> >>>> There's also a promo for a free 2 handset phone if you use promo >>>> code SRAUD3. That expires 3/31/05. >>> >>> What does a "2-handset phone" mean? Can't I just plug the thingy >>> they'll send me into the main incoming phone line for the house, and >>> then use our regular phones throughout the house? >>> -Ken >> >> >> Nope. If you want more than one phone you'll need to hook up a >> wireless phone with expandable handsets. You can't just plug it into >> the wall jack. > > > According to http://www.sunrocket.com/help/faqs/install/ it *can* be > done, but they try to make it sound scary: > > ----------------------- > * Can I use the inside wiring in my house to power multiple phones > with SunRocket service? > > It is possible to disconnect your traditional phone service and then > connect the gizmo to your inside wiring. However, this can be > potentially hazardous to your equipment and to your home's inside wiring > and possibly expensive to fix. You need to make sure the phone company > has completely disconnected from your home before connecting your modem > and the gizmo to your inside wiring. To avoid unwanted repair costs, > SunRocket recommends contacting a licensed wiring technician to install > this type of solution. > ----------------------- > > I'm not quite sure why I'd need the "phone company" to disconnect the > wiring, it seems straightforward enough to just do it right where it > enters the house. The telephone wiring in the house is completely > disjoint from any other wiring and only has a single point of entry, AFAIK. > Looks like it isn't that hard after all. http://www.vonage.com/help_knowledgeBase_article.php?category=45&article=649